Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
John, On 24 Feb 2013, at 21:07, John Mikes wrote: Bruno you wrote (among a big HOOPLA of indentations galore, an art to measure each one into a proper participant): ...Explain us what is an electrical reaction in a brain without using 2+2=4 Bruno Explain, why 2+2=4 - without

Re: Tim Maudlin

2013-02-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 26 Feb 2013, at 01:39, Stephen P. King wrote: Dear Bruno, Have you seen how Tim Maudlin is now a vigorous proponent of the existence of Time as Fundamental? In his paper on comp, he seems to favor materialism against comp, so this is not son astonishing. Likewise he depart from

Re: Misconceptions of Natural Selection and Evolution

2013-02-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Feb 2013, at 20:59, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, February 25, 2013 1:26:49 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Feb 2013, at 01:30, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:07:12 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Feb 2013, at 17:45, Craig Weinberg wrote: On

Re: The Brain Meets the Robot

2013-02-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Feb 2013, at 21:31, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, February 25, 2013 12:53:47 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Feb 2013, at 01:41, Craig Weinberg wrote: You'll forgive me if I don't jump at the chance to shell out $51.96 for 300+ pages of the same warmed over cog-sci

Re: Class, 2/25/2013

2013-02-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Bardia, As an assignment, you might take a look to the archive and perhaps ask a more specific question. To sum up an important information from comp, in soccer term: Plato 1, Aristotle 0. But that's not the end of the game, only the beginning. Bruno On 25 Feb 2013, at 20:19, b s

Re: Misconceptions of Natural Selection and Evolution

2013-02-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Feb 2013, at 20:10, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/25/2013 1:26 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Feb 2013, at 01:30, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:07:12 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: Yes. That something that the machine can prove and know. How can we know

Re: Misconceptions of Natural Selection and Evolution

2013-02-26 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 25 Feb 2013, at 20:10, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/25/2013 1:26 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Feb 2013, at 01:30, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:07:12 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:

A note for materialists -- that which perceives cannot be perceived

2013-02-26 Thread Roger Clough
A note for materialists. That which perceives cannot be perceived. It is, sotospeak, hidden in plain sight. It is what is reading and interpreting this email. The searcher cannot find himself, for he is doing the searching. The tao which is spoken is not the tao. -- You received this message

A note for materialists -- that which perceives cannot be perceived

2013-02-26 Thread Roger Clough
A note for materialists. That which perceives cannot be perceived. It is, sotospeak, hidden in plain sight. It is what is reading and interpreting this email. The searcher cannot find himself, for he is doing the searching. The tao which is spoken is not the tao. -- You received this message

Re: Misconceptions of Natural Selection and Evolution

2013-02-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 26 Feb 2013, at 14:53, Richard Ruquist wrote: snip That does not work. We belong automatically to an infinity of computations. With comp, the physical reality is unique, and derivable from 0, s, + and * (and the usual axioms). But cosmos or branch of a multiverse can be numerous, but

Life after death. Publish your book or papers on the internet for free

2013-02-26 Thread Roger Clough
For what it's worth, here are two places on the internet to publish your papers for free. Then they will appear to others on a Google search. You don't even need to do that. You can just post your resume or bibliography on any yahoogroup googlegroup posting. If you Google up anything about

A note for materialists -- that which perceives cannot be perceived

2013-02-26 Thread Roger Clough
A note for materialists. That which perceives cannot be perceived. It is, sotospeak, hidden in plain sight. It is what is reading and interpreting this email. The searcher cannot find himself, for he is doing the searching. The tao which is spoken is not the tao. -- You received this message

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-26 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 4:24:54 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: John, On 24 Feb 2013, at 21:07, John Mikes wrote: Bruno you wrote (among a big HOOPLA of indentations galore, an art to measure each one into a proper participant): *...Explain us what is an electrical reaction in a

Re: Misconceptions of Natural Selection and Evolution

2013-02-26 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 6:30:59 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Feb 2013, at 20:59, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, February 25, 2013 1:26:49 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Feb 2013, at 01:30, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:07:12 AM UTC-5,

Re: The Brain Meets the Robot

2013-02-26 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 7:15:53 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Feb 2013, at 21:31, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, February 25, 2013 12:53:47 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Feb 2013, at 01:41, Craig Weinberg wrote: You'll forgive me if I don't jump at the chance to

Re: Tim Maudlin

2013-02-26 Thread Stephen P. King
On 2/26/2013 6:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Feb 2013, at 01:39, Stephen P. King wrote: Dear Bruno, Have you seen how Tim Maudlin is now a vigorous proponent of the existence of Time as Fundamental? In his paper on comp, he seems to favor materialism against comp, so this is not

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-26 Thread meekerdb
On 2/26/2013 1:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: How did number arise? We don't know that, but we can show that if we don't assume them, or equivalent (basically anything Turing Universal), then we cannot derive them. I'm not sure how you mean that? We know that we experience individual objects

Re: Misconceptions of Natural Selection and Evolution

2013-02-26 Thread meekerdb
On 2/26/2013 4:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: That does not work. We belong automatically to an infinity of computations. With comp, the physical reality is unique, and derivable from 0, s, + and * (and the usual axioms). But cosmos or branch of a multiverse can be numerous, but before they

Re: Misconceptions of Natural Selection and Evolution

2013-02-26 Thread John Mikes
Brent: forgive my weak 'brain': in the turmoil of BackAndForces on this list it faded what you (really?) mean by quasi classical physics brains and what 'ideas' is (your) 'comp' based on? I think whatever we 'experience' is a (fortunate?) anthropic accident (incident?). I put

Re: Misconceptions of Natural Selection and Evolution

2013-02-26 Thread Telmo Menezes
I hope you are not talking about TOE derived at Dino-time, or later. (BTW: was a neuron of a dino bigger than that of today's mouse? With what size atoms? I asked this questions from many bio-people over the past 50 years - no answer so far. Maybe the Savants of this list can answer it?) I'm

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-26 Thread John Mikes
Bruno, I appreciate your effort to reply to my silly questions. I accept your positions, nothing 'new' or 'surprising' in them now. Yet I raised one little suspicion in *...How did number arise? We don't know that, but we can show that if we don't assume them, or equivalent (basically anything

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-26 Thread John Mikes
Brent: you jumped into 'counting'. What would that be without numbers? On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 3:40 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/26/2013 1:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: How did number arise? We don't know that, but we can show that if we don't assume them, or equivalent

Re: Misconceptions of Natural Selection and Evolution

2013-02-26 Thread meekerdb
On 2/26/2013 1:46 PM, John Mikes wrote: Brent: forgive my weak 'brain': in the turmoil of BackAndForces on this list it faded what you (really?) mean by quasi classical physics I mean the world model of Newton and Maxwell plus a little randomness from QM: consisting of distinct objects

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-26 Thread meekerdb
On 2/26/2013 2:41 PM, John Mikes wrote: Brent: you jumped into 'counting'. What would that be without numbers? It's a one-to-one relation between objects. If you invent a special set of tokens (1, 2, 3) that everybody agrees on (i.e. a part of language) to use in the one-to-one relation