Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

On 9 March 2014 19:23, meekerdb wrote: > On 3/8/2014 9:53 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 9 March 2014 18:51, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 3/8/2014 9:36 PM, LizR wrote: >> >> On 9 March 2014 16:52, Russell Standish wrote: >> >>> Yes. See Noether's theorem, and particularly Victor Stenger's >>> discussio

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

On 3/8/2014 9:53 PM, LizR wrote: On 9 March 2014 18:51, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 3/8/2014 9:36 PM, LizR wrote: On 9 March 2014 16:52, Russell Standish mailto:li...@hpcoders.com.au>> wrote: Yes. See Noether's theorem, and particularly Victor Stenger's

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

On 9 March 2014 18:51, meekerdb wrote: > On 3/8/2014 9:36 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 9 March 2014 16:52, Russell Standish wrote: > >> Yes. See Noether's theorem, and particularly Victor Stenger's >> discussion thereof, which is far better than anything I've written on >> it. Brent has posted quite

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

On 3/8/2014 9:36 PM, LizR wrote: On 9 March 2014 16:52, Russell Standish > wrote: Yes. See Noether's theorem, and particularly Victor Stenger's discussion thereof, which is far better than anything I've written on it. Brent has posted quite a bit on this

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

On 9 March 2014 16:52, Russell Standish wrote: > Yes. See Noether's theorem, and particularly Victor Stenger's > discussion thereof, which is far better than anything I've written on > it. Brent has posted quite a bit on this. > > In summary, conservation of energy is due to the time invariance o

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

On Sat, Mar 08, 2014 at 05:10:25AM -0800, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > Russell, > > You actually claim that the conservation of energy and time invariance > depend on "how humans see the world"? > > If so I disagree, > > Edgar > Yes. See Noether's theorem, and particularly Victor Stenger's discussi

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

On 9 March 2014 12:53, meekerdb wrote: > On 3/8/2014 3:41 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 9 March 2014 08:50, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 3/8/2014 12:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> The existence of the UD is a consequence of elementary axioms in >> arithmetic (like x+0=x, etc.). >> >> I can't hardly i

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 12:53 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 3/8/2014 3:41 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 9 March 2014 08:50, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 3/8/2014 12:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> The existence of the UD is a consequence of elementary axioms in >> arithmetic (like x+0=x, etc.). >> >> I can'

Re: [foar] Amoeba's Secret, by Bruno Marchal available from Kindle store

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Russell Standish wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Just want to let everyone know that the English translation of Buno > Marchal's "The Amoeba's Secret" is now available from Amazon's Kindle > store. See http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IRLEKPA > > > The Amoeba's Secret was writ

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

On 3/8/2014 3:41 PM, LizR wrote: On 9 March 2014 08:50, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 3/8/2014 12:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The existence of the UD is a consequence of elementary axioms in arithmetic (like x+0=x, etc.). I can't hardly imagine something les

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

On 9 March 2014 11:06, wrote: > Well, your comment, (the Duck Dynasty thing) is an earmark of the wannabe > Stalinists, who pursue policy not because it makes sense, or that its > cognitive, but rather, that it fits the ideology/faith. Science is a > method, not a faith, and solar power, needs t

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

On 9 March 2014 08:50, meekerdb wrote: > On 3/8/2014 12:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > The existence of the UD is a consequence of elementary axioms in > arithmetic (like x+0=x, etc.). > > I can't hardly imagine something less random than that. > > > But we don't know that it exists. ISTM that

Re: The Dalai Lama's Ski Trip

Happiness isn't a meaning. He should have said "the pursuit of happiness" or something to at least be in the ballpark of giving something that could be construed as a meaning. You might as well say few organisms strive for death, so life is the meaning of life (which would probably be more accurate

Re: 15 works of art depicting women in science

However I do feel the omission of Valentina Tereshkova, the first woman to orbit the Earth, and the inclusion of two far lesser lights in the history of astronautics, shows the sort of parochialism someone was complaining about recently, which the USA seems a bit prone to. Next they'll be claiming

Re: The Dalai Lama's Ski Trip

Hang about. The jolly old joyful Dalai Lama is correct. The meaning of life is happiness. Is there any point disagreeing with that? I mean, which life forms strive for sadness? Kim Kim Jones B. Mus. GDTL Email: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au kmjco...@icloud.com Mobile: 0450 963 719 Pho

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

Well, your comment, (the Duck Dynasty thing) is an earmark of the wannabe Stalinists, who pursue policy not because it makes sense, or that its cognitive, but rather, that it fits the ideology/faith. Science is a method, not a faith, and solar power, needs to be a potential solution, and not a

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

On 9 March 2014 06:43, John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 2:38 AM, meekerdb wrote: > > > And 600 million years ago solar radiance was about 4% less >> > > And during the Carboniferous era 359 million years ago the solar radiation > was about 3% less than it is now but that didn't stop th

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

On 9 March 2014 06:02, meekerdb wrote: > On 3/7/2014 10:56 PM, John Clark wrote: > > > Then who would ever want to live under a "free market system" >> if as you admit the transnational drug gangs are an exemplar of a well >> evolved free market? >> > > There is no disputing matters of

Re: The way the future was

On 9 March 2014 00:18, wrote: > > this is what the Clash predicted > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkyCrx4DyMk > > I stumbled on itconsidering it's meant to be Punk, I was surprised how > good it is. Good vocals > What on earth do you mean? Of course punk is good (I think of the Clash as on

Re: Block Universes

On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > Jesse, > > PS: And in your nice long numerical example, which I thank you for, it > seems to me what you are doing is calculating the proper time length of > every segment of A's trip in terms of C's proper time. Isn't that correct? > No, it

Re: Amoeba's Secret, by Bruno Marchal available from Kindle store

On 9 March 2014 00:32, Telmo Menezes wrote: > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:16 AM, LizR wrote: > >> Dear Bruno, I am shocked and saddened to hear what has been done to you. >> You have my greatest sympathies. (I too have been susceptible to >> manipulation, as I am rather shy and awkward in person,

Re: 15 works of art depicting women in science

On 8 March 2014 23:39, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > There is no Monkey day in the UN agenda ? > > > https://www.google.es/search?q=monkeys+space&espv=210&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=lvIaU8TDCcL_ygObkICgCA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=667 > > I think that these heroes deserve some rights t

Re: Block Universes

Jesse, PS: And in your nice long numerical example, which I thank you for, it seems to me what you are doing is calculating the proper time length of every segment of A's trip in terms of C's proper time. Isn't that correct? But if so aren't you in fact establishing a 1:1 correlation of proper

Re: Block Universes

On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > Jesse, > > OK, Assume c=1 and start with your sqrt((t2 - t1)^2 - (x2 - x1)^2) to > calculate what you say is the proper time on a time-like interval. Using > your method, which I assume is correct I do see that A's proper time will > be great

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

On 3/8/2014 12:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The existence of the UD is a consequence of elementary axioms in arithmetic (like x+0=x, etc.). I can't hardly imagine something less random than that. But we don't know that it exists. ISTM that rejecting the possibility of randomness in the world

Re: Block Universes

Jesse, OK, Assume c=1 and start with your sqrt((t2 - t1)^2 - (x2 - x1)^2) to calculate what you say is the proper time on a time-like interval. Using your method, which I assume is correct I do see that A's proper time will be greater than B's. The reason is basically that A has to travel furth

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 3:27 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote: > > >> >>If most people can use less energy, and most people want to use less >> energy, then why don't most people use less energy; why isn't energy >> consumption going down? >> > > Perhaps the fact that in just one year 2012, more than $5

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

>>If only we all thought like you, the world would be fixed, eh? Or, if the >>climate change doesn't fit all the models, that have been proposed by the >>IPCC, then all we have to do is wait? Come on spudboy – or whatever your real name is – do you really believe your own emotional outburs

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 2:38 AM, meekerdb wrote: > And 600 million years ago solar radiance was about 4% less > And during the Carboniferous era 359 million years ago the solar radiation was about 3% less than it is now but that didn't stop the average temperature on Earth being a massive 18 deg

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 1:56 AM, John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Chris de Morsella > wrote: > >> >> > > Then who would ever want to live under a "free market system" if as you >> admit the transnational drug gangs are an exemplar of a well evolved free >> market? >> > > There

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

On 3/7/2014 10:56 PM, John Clark wrote: > Then who would ever want to live under a "free market system" if as you admit the transnational drug gangs are an exemplar of a well evolved free market? There is no disputing matters of taste so you could say if you wished that markets, and

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

On Saturday, March 8, 2014 6:16:16 AM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:39 AM, meekerdb > > wrote: > > > There's no plausible theory by which clouds could nullify the warming > caused by increased CO2 > > > If not clouds it's crystal clear that SOMETHING is capable of nulli

Re: Block Universes

On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Jesse Mazer wrote: > > And B's worldline consists of the following five segments: > > Segment 1 (blue): Remaining at rest in C's frame, from t=1999 to t=2009 > Segment 2 (red): ACCELERATION 1 from t=2009 to t=2011 > Segment 3 (blue): Moving inertially at 0.6c in th

Re: Block Universes

On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > Jesse, > > I guess I'm supposed to take that as a yes? You do agree that A's world > line is actually shorter than C's (even though it is depicted as longer) > because A's proper time along it is less than C's from parting to meeting? > Corre

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

If only we all thought like you, the world would be fixed, eh? Or, if the climate change doesn't fit all the models, that have been proposed by the IPCC, then all we have to do is wait? -Original Message- From: Chris de Morsella To: everything-list Sent: Fri, Mar 7, 2014 11:28 pm S

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

Ghibbsa, I explain spin entanglement paradox this way: When the particles are created their spins must already be equal and opposite orientations due to conservation. But this is true only in the mini spacetime which is defined by their conservation. That spacetime fragment is NOT LINKED to th

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

Bruno, Yes, of course I agree the physical universe is not primitive. How many times do I have to say that it arises from computational space before it registers with you? I've also said over and over that the "physical universe" as we imagine it is NOT "out there". The physical universe as we

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

John, I don't know where you are getting your data but the data I've seen shows a fairly neat CORRELATION of global temps and CO2. Would you like to give us a link that shows otherwise that is authoritative? Edgar On Saturday, March 8, 2014 1:16:16 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > > On Fri, M

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

Russell, You actually claim that the conservation of energy and time invariance depend on "how humans see the world"? If so I disagree, Edgar On Friday, March 7, 2014 11:53:40 PM UTC-5, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 05:46:58PM -0800, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > > Russell,

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

Liz, Don't you understand the difference between a repeatable observation, which is the basis of science, and human interpretations of reality based on how human minds work? Edgar On Friday, March 7, 2014 11:12:30 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: > > On 8 March 2014 13:02, Edgar L. Owen >wrote: > >> B

Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone

Hi Bruno - I read below but am answering here. You're sincere and I'm not getting my single point across to you. I'm about done trying I think. I've taken a lot of value from the process and it's shame if you haven't but sincerity was all round. In my view, it doesn't stack up building a sp

Re: Amoeba's Secret, by Bruno Marchal available from Kindle store

On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:16 AM, LizR wrote: > Dear Bruno, I am shocked and saddened to hear what has been done to you. > You have my greatest sympathies. (I too have been susceptible to > manipulation, as I am rather shy and awkward in person, so I speak from > experience.) > Liz, people with r

Re: The way the future was

On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:21:44 AM UTC, Liz R wrote: > > Dear old Isaac Asimov's predictions for the distant future of 2014. > > > http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/asimov-predictions-from-1964-brief-report-card/ > this is what the Clash predicted http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkyC

Re: 15 works of art depicting women in science

There is no Monkey day in the UN agenda ? https://www.google.es/search?q=monkeys+space&espv=210&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=lvIaU8TDCcL_ygObkICgCA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=667 I think that these heroes deserve some rights too. Some of them are female monkeys by the way. 2014-03-08

Re: MODAL Last exercise

On 08 Mar 2014, at 06:12, LizR wrote: On 6 March 2014 21:44, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Mar 2014, at 23:06, LizR wrote: On 5 March 2014 20:59, Bruno Marchal wrote: You have to show two things: 1) R is transitive -> (W,R) respects []A -> [][]A and 2) (W,R) respects []A -> [][]A-

15 works of art depicting women in science

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/15-works-of-art-depicting-women-in-science Two astronauts, but neither of them the first woman in space! So much for "Scientific American's" objectivity. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" gro

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

On Saturday, March 8, 2014 8:49:38 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 08 Mar 2014, at 02:39, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Saturday, March 8, 2014 12:49:58 AM UTC, Liz R wrote: >> >> On 8 March 2014 13:10, Edgar L. Owen wrote: >> >>> Liz, >>> >>> No, you are referring to two different cate

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 3:18:50 PM UTC, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > > Jason, > > This initially interesting post of course exposes fundamental flaws in its > logic and the way that a lot of people get mislead by physically impossible > thought experiments such as the whole interminable p-clon

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

On 08 Mar 2014, at 03:10, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Ghibbsa, I agree with Bruno that physical reality is not primitively real. In my view the fundamental or primitive level of reality is purely computational in a dimensionless logico-mathematical space. We agree on this indeed. But why using

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

On 08 Mar 2014, at 02:39, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, March 8, 2014 12:49:58 AM UTC, Liz R wrote: On 8 March 2014 13:10, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Liz, No, you are referring to two different categories of ontological assumption. There are some things we don't directly observe that w

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

On 08 Mar 2014, at 01:02, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Brent, Yes, exactly. The agreement of nearly all minds on the values of empirical observations is truly remarkable. The vast edifice of science whose accuracy is confirmed by the incredibly complex technologies based upon it would not exist

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

On 08 Mar 2014, at 00:04, chris peck wrote: Hi Bruno >> With respect to the UDA, graves and me are just using different vocabulary. Really? the last time I quoted her: "What ... should Alice expect to see? Here I invoke the following premise: whatever she knows she will see, she shou

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 10:56 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Chris de

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

On 07 Mar 2014, at 21:06, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: On Friday, March 7, 2014 10:59:06 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Mar 2014, at 17:05, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: An argument on its own merits is presumably either valid or invalid, and either sound or unsound. Regarding UDA's soundness:

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 10:36 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Chris de

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

On 07 Mar 2014, at 20:17, meekerdb wrote: On 3/7/2014 1:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Mar 2014, at 10:04, Bruno Marchal wrote (to Brent): On 07 Mar 2014, at 06:29, meekerdb wrote: On 3/6/2014 9:15 PM, Jason Resch wrote: A related question is, is there any such thing as true randomn

Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone

On 07 Mar 2014, at 19:22, meekerdb wrote: On 3/6/2014 11:51 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Mar 2014, at 20:06, meekerdb wrote: On 3/6/2014 7:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: (b) think computation is intrinsically conscious But this wording is worst, as it looks like it insists that a comput