On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 04:28:23PM +1000, Kim Jones wrote:
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> De Bono said that social media just makes people lazy and stupid in their
> thinking and the older I get the more I see what he means.
>
Does he have any suggestion for how to implement his hats game in an
online forum? Should we ha
On 15 June 2014 01:54, wrote:
> I have not attempted to correlate my theory with the thinking of Plato and
> Aristotle. I would be happy to discuss this with you (my cell phone
> number is 858-353-0997) or to consider your specific thoughts as to how my
> theory relates to the thinking of these
> On 15 Jun 2014, at 12:02 pm, meekerdb wrote:
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>> On 6/14/2014 6:29 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
>> This is the observation that some highly intelligent people with 8 stroke
>> motors between their ears can easily be duped or misled by simple con tricks
>> for the basic reason that they have a dee
On 15 June 2014 01:38, wrote:
> My model provides an explanation of everything including gravity which I
> understand is not explained by QM. QM does not explain logically why
> electrons do not blow themselves apart. I don't believe in quantum
> weirdness.
Please elaborate. Certain Aspects*
> On 15 Jun 2014, at 12:17 pm, Russell Standish wrote:
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> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29:04AM +1000, Kim Jones wrote:
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>> Real thinking involves all four wheels of the car on the ground. An argument
>> style of thinking only has three wheels on the ground. The missing fourth
>> w
On 15 June 2014 18:12, meekerdb wrote:
> On 6/14/2014 10:19 PM, LizR wrote:
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> On 15 June 2014 16:49, meekerdb wrote:
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>> On 6/14/2014 9:37 PM, LizR wrote:
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>>> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/06/140608-regret-rats-neuroscience-behavior-animals-science
>>>
>>
>> Interestin
On 6/14/2014 10:19 PM, LizR wrote:
On 15 June 2014 16:49, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:
On 6/14/2014 9:37 PM, LizR wrote:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/06/140608-regret-rats-neuroscience-behavior-animals-science
Interesting that this experiment
On 15 June 2014 16:49, meekerdb wrote:
> On 6/14/2014 9:37 PM, LizR wrote:
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>> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/06/140608-regret-rats-
>> neuroscience-behavior-animals-science
>>
>
> Interesting that this experiment is all about qualia, which we're told are
> ineffable and can't be p
On 6/14/2014 9:37 PM, LizR wrote:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/06/140608-regret-rats-neuroscience-behavior-animals-science
Interesting that this experiment is all about qualia, which we're told are ineffable and
can't be possessed by computers because they're not human.
Brent
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/06/140608-regret-rats-neuroscience-behavior-animals-science
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On 15 June 2014 13:34, Pierz wrote:
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> Quote from ... someone: "If the brain were so simple we could understand
> it, we'd be so simple we couldn't."
>
> Excellent!
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On 15 June 2014 13:34, Pierz wrote:
> Sure we can "reward" a program for correctly solving a problem in some
> kind of learning algorithm, but anyone who understands programming and
> knows what is really going on when that occurs must surely wonder how
> incrementing a register induces pleasure
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 06:34:51PM -0700, Pierz wrote:
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> No - we are hitting limits now in terms of miniaturization that are posing
> serious challenges to the continuation of Moore's law. So far, engineers
> have - more or less - found ways of working around these problems, but this
> can't
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29:04AM +1000, Kim Jones wrote:
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>
> Real thinking involves all four wheels of the car on the ground. An argument
> style of thinking only has three wheels on the ground. The missing fourth
> wheel is generic, possibility-based thinking that turns away from agreeme
On 6/14/2014 6:29 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
This is the observation that some highly intelligent people with 8 stroke
motors between their ears can easily be duped or misled by simple con tricks
for the basic reason that they have a deep need to be seen tfo be right about
anything and everything, t
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 11:52:02 AM UTC+10, Liz R wrote:
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> On 13 June 2014 23:35, Russell Standish > wrote:
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>> On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 01:44:25AM -0700, Pierz wrote:
>> > Yes. But I have to wonder what we're doing wrong, because any
>> sophisticated
>> > piece of modern software such as
> On 15 Jun 2014, at 9:03 am, meekerdb wrote:
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> Yeah, I remember Edward de Bono. I read what I think was his first book,
> which was all about thinking "outside the box" as the current phrase goes.
> It was good advice.
>
> Brent
Yes. And the implications for the TT are there to be see
On 15 June 2014 02:37, John Mikes wrote:
> Liz wrote:
> E.G.: Physical theory with words: "GOD DID IT" - Physical theory with
> numbers and so on:
>
>
> I think I never had the perseverance to decipher such a long expression,
> now I certainly don't.
> Question: how much is the NUMERICAL NUMBER O
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I submit that with the official religion of Afghanistan, and with the
enablement of Sharia, or a
On 15 June 2014 02:42, spudboy100 via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> *6 6 6 ! Boo! *
>
As anyone who watches "QI" will tell you, it's actually 616 (it's there in
Revelations, altho I forget the exact wording). Someone miscalculated.
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On 15 June 2014 02:13, wrote:
> Einstein says large masses create a curvature of space and that light
> beams are curved by these large masses. I say that large masses produce
> Coulomb grids through which light travels. Under both theories the paths
> of light are affected. I don't see any pro
On 15 June 2014 03:37, John Mikes wrote:
> Spudboy (whatever that may mean) I was 22 when burried under bombing ruins
> during WWII - and dug out by the enemy due to my good fluency in their
> language. I was also arrested by a "Gestapo-like" facility (talked out
> myself) and later by the commis
Interesting wiki bio. By the way, the mystical Sufi's have also come out in
favor of jihad against the Qufar recently. It's not like they are Muslim
hippies.Now, if we are looking for reasonable people on the other side, look to
the Amadi Muslims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya
They
Yeah, I remember Edward de Bono. I read what I think was his first book, which was all
about thinking "outside the box" as the current phrase goes. It was good advice.
Brent
On 6/14/2014 3:35 PM, Kim wrote:
On 15 Jun 2014, at 2:34 am, John Clark wrote:
On the other hand there is no harde
> On 15 Jun 2014, at 2:34 am, John Clark wrote:
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> On the other hand there is no harder job in the world than being a
> intelligence theorist, but at least if you happen to stumble upon the correct
> intelligence theory the fact that you've suddenly become the world's first
> trillionaire
>
> Afghanistan – which I have lived in before the Russians – has suffered war
> imposed on it by the great powers (of the era) since the British Raj. It is
> easy to blame these victims of a forty year state of war – counting from
> the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan; it is a little bit harder to
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 3:54:15 AM UTC+1, Kim Jones wrote:
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> > On 14 Jun 2014, at 1:20 am, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > when you never read anything I say (and have *never* responded directly
> explicitly to anything I say).
>
> I don't think you can get away with that. That reeks
On 6/14/2014 9:34 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 6:43 AM, mailto:ghib...@gmail.com>>
wrote:
> A lot is understood about intelligence in humans
Almost nothing is understood about intelligence in humans, otherwise we could double our
IQ by knowing which modes of thought ar
On 6/14/2014 1:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
If there were a reason why a primitive matter was needed (to select and incarnate
consciousness), there would be number X and Nu which would emulate validly "Brunos and
Davids" finding that reason, and proving *correctly* that they don't belong only to
Hi John.
Spudboy (whatever that may mean) I was 22 when burried under bombing ruins
during WWII - and dug out by the enemy due to my good fluency in their
language. I was also arrested by a "Gestapo-like" facility (talked out myself)
and later by the commis for questioning.
So I have personal
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 6:43 AM, wrote:
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> > A lot is understood about intelligence in humans
>
Almost nothing is understood about intelligence in humans, otherwise we
could double our IQ by knowing which modes of thought are productive and
which just waste time and lead nowhere.
> > we can
Bruno: my software reproduced none of the proposed parts of that "square".
Maybe your French base does it? I am on USA-English and have Hungarian
as 2nd installed. (Or Microsoft is the culprit not liking 'square' ones?)
John
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 4:26 PM, John Mikes wrote:
> Dear Bruno, I fin
Is 666 not the "Apokalyps" number?
JM
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 10:42 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> *6 6 6 ! Boo! *
>
> Actually, The numerical number of God reminds me of some of the writings
> of Clifford Pickover, so sort of half-belie
Spudboy (whatever that may mean) I was 22 when burried under bombing ruins
during WWII - and dug out by the enemy due to my good fluency in their
language. I was also arrested by a "Gestapo-like" facility (talked out
myself) and later by the commis for questioning.
So I have personal experiences.
I
6 6 6 ! Boo!
Actually, The numerical number of God reminds me of some of the writings of
Clifford Pickover, so sort of half-believes in his math magic.
I think I never had the perseverance to decipher such a long expression, now I
certainly don't.
Question: how much is the N
Liz wrote:
E.G.: Physical theory with words: "GOD DID IT" - Physical theory with
numbers and so on:
I think I never had the perseverance to decipher such a long expression,
now I certainly don't.
Question: how much is the NUMERICAL NUMBER OF GOD?
John M
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 7:43 PM, LizR w
On 14 June 2014 04:32, meekerdb wrote:
> I thought I'd been pretty clear that it's ill defined, a point on which I
> agree with Bruno. I tried to define it in the exchange with David, but he
> seemed to reject my definition and just assumed everybody knows what it
> means.
As I recall you propo
Einstein says large masses create a curvature of space and that light
beams are curved by these large masses. I say that large masses produce
Coulomb grids through which light travels. Under both theories the paths
of light are affected. I don't see any problem. Einstein and I reach the
same con
I have not attempted to correlate my theory with the thinking of Plato and
Aristotle. I would be happy to discuss this with you (my cell phone
number is 858-353-0997) or to consider your specific thoughts as to how my
theory relates to the thinking of these fellows.
John Ross
>
> On 12 Jun 2014,
My model provides an explanation of everything including gravity which I
understand is not explained by QM. QM does not explain logically why
electrons do not blow themselves apart. I don't believe in quantum
weirdness. There is a universe.
John Ross
>
> On 12 Jun 2014, at 18:51, jr...@trexent
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 12:13:48 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
>
> On Saturday, June 14, 2014 3:31:12 AM UTC+1, Russell Standish wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 02:22:56PM +1200, LizR wrote:
>> > Oh, OK, obviously I was misinformed. I will smack Charles' bottom
>> later.
>> >
I submit that with the official religion of Afghanistan, and with the
enablement of Sharia, or a watered down form of it under the Afghani royals, is
was a sucker for the Soviets. But the Soviets, under Brezhnev, war would have
come anyway. It just would not have seemed such a slam dunk. The peo
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 3:54:15 AM UTC+1, Kim Jones wrote:
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>
> > On 14 Jun 2014, at 1:20 am, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > when you never read anything I say (and have *never* responded directly
> explicitly to anything I say).
>
> I don't think you can get away with that. That reeks
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 12:19:16 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> On Saturday, June 14, 2014 4:41:45 AM UTC+1, Brent wrote:
>>
>> On 6/13/2014 6:52 PM, LizR wrote:
>>
>> On 13 June 2014 23:35, Russell Standish wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 01:44:25AM -0700, Pierz wrote:
>
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 4:41:45 AM UTC+1, Brent wrote:
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> On 6/13/2014 6:52 PM, LizR wrote:
>
> On 13 June 2014 23:35, Russell Standish > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 01:44:25AM -0700, Pierz wrote:
>> > Yes. But I have to wonder what we're doing wrong, because any
>> sophisticate
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 3:31:12 AM UTC+1, Russell Standish wrote:
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> On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 02:22:56PM +1200, LizR wrote:
> > Oh, OK, obviously I was misinformed. I will smack Charles' bottom later.
> >
> >
> > On 14 June 2014 14:27, Russell Standish > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, Jun 14,
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 11:43:47 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> On Friday, June 13, 2014 5:54:01 PM UTC+1, John Clark wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:35 AM, Pierz wrote:
>>
>> > The whole thing really just illustrates a fundamental problem with our
>>> current conceptio
On Friday, June 13, 2014 5:54:01 PM UTC+1, John Clark wrote:
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>
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:35 AM, Pierz >
> wrote:
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> > The whole thing really just illustrates a fundamental problem with our
>> current conception of AI -at least as it manifests in such 'tests'.
>>
>
> If there is a fundamen
Changled title again, as this has wandered a lot from tronnies.
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 10:08:08AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>
> If there were a reason why a primitive matter was needed (to select
> and incarnate consciousness), there would be number X and Nu which
> would emulate validly "B
On 14 Jun 2014, at 03:49, LizR wrote:
On 13 June 2014 20:44, Pierz wrote:
Yes. But I have to wonder what we're doing wrong, because any
sophisticated piece of modern software such as a modern OS or even
this humble mailing list/forum software we are using is already
"hugely mind-bogglin
On 13 Jun 2014, at 21:58, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/13/2014 9:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 Jun 2014, at 01:29, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/12/2014 9:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Further more, I'm not even sure that the reductionist program
of looking for what's most fundamental (in a TOE) and rei
On 13 Jun 2014, at 21:22, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Bruno Marchal
wrote:
> We have agree that free will = will
If free will just means will then why stick on the "free" ?
Because we believe that "free" does not add anything, except some
emphasis on the needed
On 13 Jun 2014, at 20:10, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
Citeren Bruno Marchal :
On 13 Jun 2014, at 05:06, LizR wrote:
On 13 June 2014 05:11, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 12 Jun 2014, at 00:30, LizR wrote:
So a person would be a "garden of forking paths" laid out by
deterministic physics, within
On 13 Jun 2014, at 17:07, David Nyman wrote:
You're right, oftentimes they do. But I wouldn't include Bruno in
"people" here (if you see what I mean). Once one assumes the existence
of the UD (or rather its infinite trace) the hard problem then becomes
one of justifying in detail every aspect o
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