On 24 Jun 2014, at 17:34, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
What about this Irish Times article? It seems to be out of the box
thinking. I don't know, if true, that it has any value for the human
species? But it might in my imagination. My imagination, plus 3.50,
can get me a coffee
To speak of thinking should first answer what is thought?
We each experience our unfolding selves and live each of us within the inner
drama of our minds. It is experimentally known that brain activity precedes
conscious awareness by significant periods of time, as much as a half a second
On 25 Jun 2014, at 06:46, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/24/2014 12:39 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Google does not seem to know of its existence.
The net does not know everything, and contains a lot of propaganda
of many kinds.
Bruno
Have you read Scott Aaronson's latest blog in which he
On 25 Jun 2014, at 17:55, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Dr. Marchal, do you ever get in conversations with your fellow
academician, Clement Vidal? He's a philosopher at your University?
Do you ever get into the Evo-Devo view?
I don't know him. I don't know Evo-Devo view. You might
Yes, according to this view we are just along for the ride.
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On 26 Jun 2014, at 5:17 pm, 'Chris de
On 26 Jun 2014, at 5:17 pm, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
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To speak of thinking should first answer what is thought?
If you like. But you don't have to know what thought is to know how to think.
But you knew I was going to say that. If we
On 26 Jun 2014, at 11:36 am, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
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On 26 June 2014 13:19, 'Chris
On 26 June 2014 04:33, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
*All political and sociological phenomena whatsoever CAN be reduced without
loss to the behaviour and relations of individual human beings.*
Yes of course, but that was my point. I offered the analogy as a toy model
of 3p
On 25 June 2014 23:58, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
As a matter of sociology, you may well be right. But that apart, why
wouldn't such putative 3p conscious processes be as vulnerable to
elimination (i.e. reducible without loss to some putative ur-physical basis)
as temperature,
On 26 June 2014 00:08, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
You mean reducible in explanation, but not eliminable in fact.
Temperature is explained by kinetic energy of molecules, but you can't
eliminate temperature and keep kinetic energy of molecules. There's a
difference between eliminating in an
Brent, far be it from me to defend the RC, but its also a matter of how far
back you wish to go in history, or even care to look? Look at Syria, look at
Nigeria, look at Iraq, look at Afghanistan. You know what's going on there and
you know why. It's not animists, or Zen Buddhists, who are
Its a good point. Dawkins was just suggesting a hypothesis. Humans look for
limits and somehow beat them, given enough time effort. Hypercomputing looks
plausible to me. Theres a fair amount of papers at ARXIV that write about this
kind of thing.
I don't know if god-like intelligences are
I was going to say that 22 minutes is, suspiciously, the actual length of
half-hour daytime TV in the U.S. once the commercials are removed. If
you're judging us Americans based on our daytime TV, then indeed, it must
appear there is no hope at all left for us.
But since MIT doesn't have a
On 25 Jun 2014, at 15:47, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Telmo Menezes
te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
In terms of ideological nutjobs, I suspect that the solution is
counter-intuitive. Instead of fighting them, perhaps it's better to
not react to
On 25 Jun 2014, at 17:06, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
Predictions are great for validating scientific theories but
predictions, good bad or ugly, have absolutely nothing to do with
establishing a sense of self.
We use the
On 25 Jun 2014, at 18:23, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
In Brussels, the atheists claims that agnostics are atheists, but
this can only create a confusion.
Concerning the existence of a china teapot in orbit around the
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 25 Jun 2014, at 15:47, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
Tomorrow Germany plays US to prove that they're good at kicking a ball
around;
Go Germany! Go US! Let us hope the best is the winner!
if they can't safeguard
On 25 Jun 2014, at 18:26, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/24/2014 7:34 PM, LizR wrote:
This has a few interesting corollaries, ISTM.
1. It hints that there might be a way to distinguish the pilot wave
interpretation of QM from the rest, which could be handy
I doubt that since Bohmian QM is just
On 25 Jun 2014, at 18:34, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/25/2014 12:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
What is a crime is often defined by religion
That makes sense in primitive society, but religion might have
nothing to say on the terrestrial plane. You confuse religion, and
the
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Yes, according to this view we are just along for the ride.
One way of looking at it. However it seems to me more apt to think of ourselves
as the loci of the consensus of our
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On 26 Jun 2014, at 5:17 pm, 'Chris de
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 9:06 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Even if the cost of solar cells fell to zero it wouldn't be enough to
replace fossil fuels even at today's levels much less provide enough energy
to enable developing countries (the vast majority of the world) to equal or
even
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote:
Why is it that the same people who believe that solar energy will get a
lot better in the future also believe that the nuclear reactors with 1960's
technology that we all use today are as
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Concerning the existence of a china teapot in orbit around the planet
Uranus, are you a teapot atheist or agnostic?
Agnostic.
Is the possibility of such a orbiting teapot large enough that it would
alter your
On 6/26/2014 4:17 AM, LizR wrote:
Yes, according to this view we are just along for the ride.
Isn't that going to be true of any model that explains us in terms of something simpler we
can understand, whether it's strings or arithmetic? It seems that the only kind of
explanation people
On 6/26/2014 6:10 AM, David Nyman wrote:
On 26 June 2014 00:08, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
You mean reducible in explanation, but not eliminable in fact.
Temperature is explained by kinetic energy of molecules, but you can't
eliminate temperature and keep kinetic energy of molecules.
On 6/26/2014 7:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 25 Jun 2014, at 18:23, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
In Brussels, the atheists claims that agnostics are atheists, but this
can only
create a
PGC, Brent, et all (Liz? with Dawkins quoted) - the word is
*GOD-LIKE *
what I object to. Like WHAT god of the past 20,000 years? the one imagined
as the Big Baer, or the 'author' behind the Abrahamic Scripture, or Bruno's
Univ. Machine? The Greek socials, or the Nordish brutes?
I missed Bruno's
Who knows. Youmay be correct. I may be correct. Maybe we will find out one
day.
John R.
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On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
We use the usual sense of self defined by the yes doctor.
Nobody does that, even you don't do that to define yourself except
when you're arguing philosophy on the internet.
?
!
We use that all the time. I do it
On 26 June 2014 20:38, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
I don't understand your point? Are you saying that if there is a basement
level explanation then everything above is a fiction? I think of fiction
= untrue. If there is not a basement, then every explanation is a
fiction, since
On 6/26/2014 8:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 25 Jun 2014, at 18:26, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/24/2014 7:34 PM, LizR wrote:
This has a few interesting corollaries, ISTM.
1. It hints that there might be a way to distinguish the pilot wave interpretation of
QM from the rest, which could be handy
On 27 June 2014 06:51, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Concerning the existence of a china teapot in orbit around the planet
Uranus, are you a teapot atheist or agnostic?
Agnostic.
Is the possibility of
On 6/26/2014 9:28 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:
*From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *LizR
Yes, according to this view we are just along for the ride.
One way of looking at it. However it seems to me more apt to
Interesting hypothesis with major implications if he is correct.
Read more at: Physicist suggests speed of light might be slower than thought
Physicist suggests speed of light might be slower than t...
(Phys.org) —Physicist James Franson of the University of Maryland has captured
the
On 6/26/2014 1:49 PM, David Nyman wrote:
On 26 June 2014 20:38, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
I don't understand your point? Are you saying that if there is a basement
level explanation then everything above is a fiction? I think of fiction
= untrue. If there is not a basement, then
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 9:45 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 6/26/2014 7:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 25 Jun 2014, at 18:23, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
In Brussels, the atheists claims that agnostics are
Richard, sure. But the laws are not evenly enforced and the IRS has admitted
that this was done. Its not a matter of opinion, but a matter of what actions
were done. The IRS was just ordered to pay the American Family Association for
violation of the enforcement regulation by a fine of 50,000.
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 09:51:51AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 25 Jun 2014, at 17:55, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Dr. Marchal, do you ever get in conversations with your fellow
academician, Clement Vidal? He's a philosopher at your University?
Do you ever get into the Evo-Devo
Sure, but if one is pushed to try to put out fires that progressives are
lighting around the world, and, or enabling jihadists to do so, one can develop
the Manichean attitude. It's unwise to light fires during a dry spell and this
is what progressives do, because its how they feel. Or feel is
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 03:05:55PM -0400, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
For me, your analogy (which has been heard before of course) is simple to
satisfy. The Peoples Republic of China, upon hearing John Clark's
philosophical challenge, and diverts its lunar rover to the planet
Indeed, Professor, like Hercules, but gods are a higher paygrade, and have
tenure. Still, it would be interesting to have a chat with the purported mind
that created or altered all this region. Advice would be nice, perhaps a tweet
now and then?
Technically, those are demigods, of course.
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Sure, but if one is pushed to try to put out fires that progressives are
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Yes, according
On 6/26/2014 4:19 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
But []~g in contrast... that's not even rational
If you read it as In every possible world g is false and g=Some God, it's irrational
(unless g entails a contradiction). But that isn't atheism. An atheist says g doesn't
exist and that's
Spud,
I will fault Obama for supporting the ISIS in Syria but opposing them in
Iraq.
Richard
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:44 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List
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Sure, but if one is pushed to try to put out fires that progressives are
lighting around the
On 6/26/2014 8:28 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:
Given enough parallelism and time (between reboots) to evolve and build a memory, I
suspect a ghost would eventually emerge within the robot (given enough processing depth
and breadth), as… at some fuzzy threshold it began
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Spud,
I will fault Obama for supporting the ISIS in Syria but opposing them in Iraq.
Richard
It amazed me how they tried to rebrand these intolerant murderous A-holes as
On 6/26/2014 8:45 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:
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Spud,
I will fault Obama for supporting the ISIS in Syria but opposing them in Iraq.
Richard
It amazed me
On 27 June 2014 10:12, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 6/26/2014 1:49 PM, David Nyman wrote:
On 26 June 2014 20:38, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
I don't understand your point? Are you saying that if there is a
basement
level explanation then everything above is a fiction?
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On 6/26/2014 8:45 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:
On 6/26/2014 9:23 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:
The world should get some isolated piece of desert somewhere and set it aside for all
the various crusaders, jihadists and so forth to go have it at each other – with clubs,
knives and chains.
Let's call it Mesopotamia -
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non-digital, computer architecture
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On 6/26/2014 9:23 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:
The
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