Re: AI and Hollywood

[Samiya Illias]

The Words of Allah ﷻ, our Lord 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/07/transhumanism-ii.html 


> On 24-Feb-2024, at 10:15 PM, John Clark  wrote:
> 
> 
> After seeing how good OpenAI's program "Sora" is at creating photorealistic 
> video, movie maker Tyler Perry decided to cancel his plans to build a $800 
> million extension to his existing movie studio. He says: 
> 
> 
> "I no longer would have to travel to locations. If I wanted to be in the snow 
> in Colorado, it’s text. If I wanted to write a scene on the moon, it’s text, 
> and this AI can generate it like nothing. If I wanted to have two people in 
> the living room in the mountains, I don’t have to build a set in the 
> mountains, I don’t have to put a set on my lot. I can sit in an office and do 
> this with a computer, which is shocking to me. [...] Everything right now is 
> so up in the air. It’s so malleable. The technology’s moving so quickly. I 
> feel like everybody in the industry is running a hundred miles an hour to try 
> and catch up, to try and put in guardrails and to try and put in safety belts 
> to keep livelihoods afloat. But me, just like every other studio in town, 
> we’re all trying to figure it all out. I think we’re all trying to find the 
> answers as we go, and it’s changing every day — and it’s not just our 
> industry, but it’s every industry that AI will be affecting, from accountants 
> to architects. [...]  I am very, very concerned that in the near future, a 
> lot of jobs are going to be lost. I really, really feel that very strongly."
> 
> After Seeing OpenAI’s Sora, Tyler Perry Cancelled Building an $800m Studio
> 
> 
>   John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
> 
> asq
> 
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Re: Something I just found out about crucifixion

[Samiya Illias]

Affliction, Cure, and The Roman Cult 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/10/affliction-cure-and-roman-cult.html
 


> On 21-Feb-2024, at 3:21 PM, John Clark  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 8:49 PM Samiya Illias  wrote:
>> 
>> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/12/the-serpent-snake-clear-sign.html
>>  
> 
> But that graffiti was drawn about 400 years before Muhammad was born and over 
> 450 years before the Quran was written.  
> 
>>   John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
>> qwr
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 at 06:19, John Clark  wrote:
>>>> The earliest known depiction of the crucifixion of Jesus is a parody, it 
>>>> is this graffiti drawn about the year 200 in the slave bathroom of an 
>>>> imperial Palace. The inscription translates as  "Alexamenos worships his 
>>>> God ''. It is making fun of somebody named "Alexamenos" who apparently was 
>>>> a Christian, and at the time a derogatory nickname for "Jesus" was the 
>>>> "donkey headed God " . I think it looks like BoJack Horseman:
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 3n9
>>>> 
>> 
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Re: Something I just found out about crucifixion

[Samiya Illias]

https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/12/the-serpent-snake-clear-sign.html 

> On 21-Feb-2024, at 6:37 AM, LizR  wrote:
> 
> 
> Interesting. Have you seen this?
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World%27s_Sixteen_Crucified_Saviors
> 
> 
>> On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 at 06:19, John Clark  wrote:
>> The earliest known depiction of the crucifixion of Jesus is a parody, it is 
>> this graffiti drawn about the year 200 in the slave bathroom of an imperial 
>> Palace. The inscription translates as  "Alexamenos worships his God ''. It 
>> is making fun of somebody named "Alexamenos" who apparently was a Christian, 
>> and at the time a derogatory nickname for "Jesus" was the "donkey headed God 
>> " . I think it looks like BoJack Horseman:
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
>> 3n9
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Re: [Extropolis] Fwd: Sam Altman Wants $7 Trillion

[Samiya Illias]

Wronging the Nafs 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2017/02/wronging-self.html 




Lest we get carried away by the false promises of technology, the Quran warns 
us:

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ ضُرِبَ مَثَلٌ فَاسْتَمِعُوا لَهُ

 إِنَّ الَّذِينَ تَدْعُونَ مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ لَن يَخْلُقُوا ذُبَابًا وَلَوِ 
اجْتَمَعُوا لَهُ وَإِن يَسْلُبْهُمُ الذُّبَابُ شَيْئًا لَّا يَسْتَنقِذُوهُ 
مِنْهُ 

ضَعُفَ الطَّالِبُ وَالْمَطْلُوبُ


O mankind! Is set forth an example, so listen to it.
Indeed, those whom you invoke besides Allah will never create a fly even if 
they gathered together for it. 
And if snatched away from them the fly a thing not they (could) take it back 
from it.
So weak (are) the seeker and the one who is sought.
[Al-Quran 22:73]


> On 15-Feb-2024, at 2:52 AM, John Clark  wrote:
> 
> 
> This is an extremely interesting video, it explains why Sam Altman was 
> briefly fired from Open AI, why he needs $7 trillion, and gives a very 
> interesting Alttman quote "Thought Experiment: at what rate would you be 
> willing to borrow money to build a data center if extremely powerful AI is 
> close at hand"   
> 
> Sam Altmans SECRET Plan For AGI - "Extremely Powerful AI is close"
> 
>   John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
> epi
> 
> 
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Re: Should The Future Be Human?

[Samiya Illias]

The Death of The Soul 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2024/01/the-death-of-soul.html 


> On 24-Jan-2024, at 8:16 AM, Samiya Illias  wrote:
> 
> 
> The greatest loss that a person can suffer is the permanent loss of their 
> soul in the Hereafter (Q39:15-20). Such people will consciously suffer in 
> Hell, neither living nor dying (Q35:36). 
> 
>>> On 24-Jan-2024, at 5:32 AM, Stathis Papaioannou  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Stathis Papaioannou
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 at 11:10, Bruce Kellett  wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 10:46 AM Stathis Papaioannou  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 at 10:01, John Clark  wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 5:51 PM Stathis Papaioannou 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> > There is yet another level, phenomenal consciousness, which has no 
>>>>>>> > behavioural manifestations whatsoever, allowing for the theoretical 
>>>>>>> > possibility of philosophical zombies.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Assuming that is true and assuming that you yourself are not a 
>>>>>> philosophical zombie, how do you suppose random mutation and natural 
>>>>>> selection manage to produce you?  
>>>>> 
>>>>> It couldn't, which supports the idea that philosophical zombies are 
>>>>> impossible, or equivalently that phenomenal consciousness reduces to the 
>>>>> behavioural manifestations of consciousness, such as awareness of self 
>>>>> and environment.
>>>> 
>>>> In fasct, it supports the idea that philosophical zombies could not be 
>>>> produced by natural (Darwinian) selection. But it say nothing about the 
>>>> possibility that such beings could be produced artificially; eg. via AI.
>>> 
>>> That is strictly true, but it would entail that consciousness is some sort 
>>> of side-effect peculiar to organic chemistry (or whatever the special 
>>> ingredient is), and not a consequence of intelligent behaviour.
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Re: Should The Future Be Human?

[Samiya Illias]

The greatest loss that a person can suffer is the permanent loss of their soul 
in the Hereafter (Q39:15-20). Such people will consciously suffer in Hell, 
neither living nor dying (Q35:36). 

> On 24-Jan-2024, at 5:32 AM, Stathis Papaioannou  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Stathis Papaioannou
> 
> 
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 at 11:10, Bruce Kellett  wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 10:46 AM Stathis Papaioannou  
 wrote:
>>> 
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 at 10:01, John Clark  wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 5:51 PM Stathis Papaioannou  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> > There is yet another level, phenomenal consciousness, which has no 
>> > behavioural manifestations whatsoever, allowing for the theoretical 
>> > possibility of philosophical zombies.
> 
> Assuming that is true and assuming that you yourself are not a 
> philosophical zombie, how do you suppose random mutation and natural 
> selection manage to produce you?  
 
 It couldn't, which supports the idea that philosophical zombies are 
 impossible, or equivalently that phenomenal consciousness reduces to the 
 behavioural manifestations of consciousness, such as awareness of self and 
 environment.
>>> 
>>> In fasct, it supports the idea that philosophical zombies could not be 
>>> produced by natural (Darwinian) selection. But it say nothing about the 
>>> possibility that such beings could be produced artificially; eg. via AI.
>> 
>> That is strictly true, but it would entail that consciousness is some sort 
>> of side-effect peculiar to organic chemistry (or whatever the special 
>> ingredient is), and not a consequence of intelligent behaviour.
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Rapture

[Samiya Illias]

The Muslim Concept of Rapture 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2023/12/the-muslim-concept-of-rapture.html 

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Re: The deification of Donald Trump

[Samiya Illias]

https://quran.com/az-zumar/53-59 

> On 18-Jan-2024, at 3:47 AM, Brent Meeker  wrote:
> 
>  God is all about punishment.
> 
> Brent
> 
>> On 1/17/2024 6:01 AM, John Clark wrote:
>> God made Trump
>> 
>>   John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
>> mtg
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Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

[Samiya Illias]

Long Life – Reversed in Creation 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2016/06/long-life-reversed-in-creation.html
 




> On 09-Jan-2024, at 11:22 AM, LizR  wrote:
> 
> If you're always truthful, this post makes you immortal.
> 
>> On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 at 09:09, John Clark  wrote:
>> 
>> One year ago I sent the following post to the list, I did not change one 
>> word. One year from now I intend to send this same message yet again.
>> 
>> One year ago I sent the following post to the list, I did not change one 
>> word. One year from now I intend to send this same message yet again.
>> 
>> One year ago I sent the following post to the list, I did not change one 
>> word. One year from now I intend to send this same message yet again.
>> 
>> One year ago I sent the following post to the list, I did not change one 
>> word. One year from now I intend to send this same message yet again.
>> 
>> One year ago I sent the following post to the list, I did not change one 
>> word. One year from now I intend to send this same message yet again.
>> 
>> One year ago I sent the following post to the list, I did not change one 
>> word. One year from now I intend to send this same message yet again.
>> 
>> One year ago I sent the following post to the list, I did not change one 
>> word. One year from now I intend to send this same message yet again.
>> 
>> One year ago I sent the following post to the list, I did not change one 
>> word. One year from now I intend to send this same message yet again.
>> 
>> One year ago I sent the following post to the list, I did not change one 
>> word. One year from now I intend to send this same message yet again.
>> 
>> One year ago I sent the following post to the list, I did not change one 
>> word. One year from now I intend to send this same message yet again.
>> 
>> I just sent the following message to the Extropian list, as there has been 
>> some discussion of psi on this list too I thought I'd send it here also. One 
>> year from now I intend to send this same message yet again.
>> 
>> One year ago I sent the following post to the list, I did not change one 
>> word. One year from now I intend to send this same message yet again.
>> 
>> One year ago I sent the following post to the list, I did not change one 
>> word. One year from now I intend to send this same message yet again.
>> 
>> One year ago I sent the following post to the list, I did not change one 
>> word. One year from now I intend to send this same message yet again.
>> 
>> One year ago I sent the following post to the list, I did not change one 
>> word. One year from now I intend to send this same message yet again.
>> 
>> One year ago I sent the following post to the list, I did not change one 
>> word. One year from now I intend to send this same message yet again.
>> 
>> One year ago I sent the following post to the list, I did not change one 
>> word. One year from now I intend to send this same message yet again.
>> 
>> Happy New Year all.
>> 
>> I predict that a paper reporting positive psi results will NOT appear in 
>> Nature or Science in the next year. This may seem an outrageous prediction, 
>> after all psi is hardly a rare phenomena, millions of people with no 
>> training have managed to observe it, or claim they have. And I am sure the 
>> good people at Nature and Science would want to say something about this 
>> very important and obvious part of our natural world if they could, but I 
>> predict they will be unable to find anything interesting to say about it. 
>> You might think my prediction is crazy, like saying a waitress with an 
>> eight's grade education in Duluth Minnesota can regularly observe the Higgs 
>> boson with no difficulty but the highly trained Physicists at CERN in 
>> Switzerland cannot. Nevertheless I am confident my prediction is true 
>> because my ghostly spirit guide Mohammad Duntoldme spoke to me about it in a 
>> dream. PS: I am also confident I can make this very same prediction one year 
>> from today.
>> 
>>John K Clark
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Re: NYTimes.com: The Gamble: Can Genetically Modified Mosquitoes End Disease?

[Samiya Illias]

Malaria is a disease that breeds in humans. This disease has been around for 
thousands of years. Mosquitoes are only the vectors (couriers / postal 
service). Even if the mosquitoes are modified, the disease will probably find 
another way of transferring from one human to another. Tinkering with nature 
may result in unexpected consequences. 

> On 30-Sep-2023, at 7:31 PM, John Clark  wrote:
> 
> 
> Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a subscriber, you 
> can read it through this gift link without a subscription.
> 
> The Gamble: Can Genetically Modified Mosquitoes End Disease?
> 
> Working on a remote island, scientists think they can use genetic engineering 
> to block a malaria-carrying species of mosquito from spreading the disease — 
> and do it in just a few months. But governments are wary.
> 
> https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/29/health/mosquitoes-genetic-engineering.html?unlocked_article_code=DhxxgQuXR7jQhno8fK3KDzKmVCyFp-N3U5hyjRfh4zd4aJ461ASu9R-KogDLwl1p3GRsqFNW255eL8A4F0TfpRuy5yJUQmfxgn9lob7-wMknVomN8OCfCKBazSaoZP-OSHcshaKZYJ7fx3uyUk9axZvggs3YkUhNtFSj2XjXmo2KY1RU2ncHbjMfnX0a3RHowyiPpTTbkwxGM98Dsri7vPGzPZLqjB69qrugRqcnGv63KUvPvf3hBhHZo-phY6qTHVBrH9NZoKeVup4q6YWoBoUrhOV9dz7q2_W82i0oVKtik1ZuquCQWjzs-JpRIZiOWxePIQMb07pkAc9dwEPq09CYjaRJ0Zk=em-share
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Re: Type II/Type III Civilization Search Finds Nothing

[Samiya Illias]

> On 14-May-2023, at 6:05 PM, Lawrence Crowell 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 8:36:58 PM UTC-5 Samiya Illias wrote:
> We live in a high security prison, Earth, where we have been exiled since our 
> father Adam was sent here. 
> 
> 
> I was with a woman who is D'Ne, or native American Navajo, and we were 
> stopped by a person plugging Christianity and Jesus. She responded with talk 
> about heaven with, "Why do you keep looking for heaven, when if you look 
> around you it is clear that we are already there?" I was god-smacked right 
> away. Of course, if you look out onto the rest of the universe or even just 
> this solar system it is clear we are in a sweet spot. It has only been with 
> the crazy ideas of Abrahamic religions have we come to this idea that somehow 
> this world, whether Earth or the universe at large, is some sort of 
> mud-puddle of misery that only some infinite invisible Santa Claus beyond the 
> sky can free us from. It is really insanity and it is causing us to shift our 
> view and attention away from the real problems we have created for ourselves. 
>  
> LC 

Of course, this Earth is wonderful, but that is besides the point. I wrote ‘ 
high security prison’ to point out why we have no communication with 
extra-terrestrial civilisations. 
>  
>>>> On 14-May-2023, at 5:26 AM, Lawrence Crowell  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> I disagreed with Sagan. Absence of evidence is evidence of absence, but 
>>> not proof of absence. In science we cannot prove a negative. If we can find 
>>> a planet with chemical signature of complex biology we might be able to say 
>>> there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. It is a big universe 
>>> after all. It is just that we may never be able to contact or interact with 
>>> any ETI.
>> 
>> LC
>> 
>>> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 6:59:56 AM UTC-5 John Clark wrote:
>>> On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 10:16 PM  wrote:
>>> 
>>> > Why Have We Never Detected Aliens? Scientist Proposes a New Explanation 
>>> > (msn.com)
>>> 
>>> What about this? Simply a distance and distribution thing?
>>> 
>>> Maybe we haven't found fire breathing dragons because we haven't looked 
>>> hard enough, but that is not the simplest explanation, the simplest 
>>> explanation and the one that William of Ockham would approve of is that we 
>>> haven't found fire breathing dragons because they don't exist.  Carl Sagan  
>>> said "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" but clever as that 
>>> sounds we've been looking for 60 years and at some point I'd have to 
>>> disagree with Carl and conclude that it is evidence of absence. 
>>> 
>>> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
>>> 2sd
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> > Was there any material proposed for building the big one around the Sun?
>>> 
>>> Yes of course there was, in the case of the sun all you need to do is 
>>> dismantle the planet Jupiter. How hard can that be?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > I expect there will be bigger than expected heat accumulation. Maybe 
>>> > enough to boil eggs left inside.
>>> 
>>> Well of course it will get hotter inside the Dyson Sphere! So what, nothing 
>>> of importance is inside that sphere, it's only purpose is to generate 
>>> electricity. According to the first law of thermodynamics energy is always 
>>> conserved ,so the sphere will heat up until equilibrium is reached and the 
>>> amount of energy hitting the inside of the sphere equals the amount of 
>>> energy that is radiated away into space as infrared light. And the second 
>>> law of thermodynamics is also obeyed, the Dyson Sphere extracts work by 
>>> converting low entropy visible and ultraviolet photons into high entropy 
>>> infrared photons .
>>>  
>>> > If I had to assume, I would assume eggs boiled hard. And oh yes, the 
>>> > sphere will also glow in infrared.
>>> 
>>> Yes it will glow in infrared as a very bright point source with no visible 
>>> or ultraviolet radiation emitted at all. Such a thing should be very 
>>> conspicuous to an infrared telescope but no such object has ever been 
>>> observed.  
>>> 
>>>  > Type3 is, for me, better called as Expansionist Exponential Locusts 
>>> (EEL).
>>> 
>>> You've forgotten IHA.
>>> 
>>> > I would also say, it is very rude to send von Neumann probe 

Re: Type II/Type III Civilization Search Finds Nothing

[Samiya Illias]

We live in a high security prison, Earth, where we have been exiled since our 
father Adam was sent here. 

> On 14-May-2023, at 5:26 AM, Lawrence Crowell 
>  wrote:
> 
> I disagreed with Sagan. Absence of evidence is evidence of absence, but not 
> proof of absence. In science we cannot prove a negative. If we can find a 
> planet with chemical signature of complex biology we might be able to say 
> there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. It is a big universe 
> after all. It is just that we may never be able to contact or interact with 
> any ETI.
> 
> LC
> 
>> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 6:59:56 AM UTC-5 John Clark wrote:
>>> On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 10:16 PM  wrote:
>>> 
>>> > Why Have We Never Detected Aliens? Scientist Proposes a New Explanation 
>>> > (msn.com)
>>> 
>>> What about this? Simply a distance and distribution thing?
>> 
>> Maybe we haven't found fire breathing dragons because we haven't looked hard 
>> enough, but that is not the simplest explanation, the simplest explanation 
>> and the one that William of Ockham would approve of is that we haven't found 
>> fire breathing dragons because they don't exist.  Carl Sagan  said "absence 
>> of evidence is not evidence of absence" but clever as that sounds we've been 
>> looking for 60 years and at some point I'd have to disagree with Carl and 
>> conclude that it is evidence of absence. 
>> 
>> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
>> 2sd
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>> 
>>> > Was there any material proposed for building the big one around the Sun?
>>> 
>>> Yes of course there was, in the case of the sun all you need to do is 
>>> dismantle the planet Jupiter. How hard can that be?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > I expect there will be bigger than expected heat accumulation. Maybe 
>>> > enough to boil eggs left inside.
>>> 
>>> Well of course it will get hotter inside the Dyson Sphere! So what, nothing 
>>> of importance is inside that sphere, it's only purpose is to generate 
>>> electricity. According to the first law of thermodynamics energy is always 
>>> conserved ,so the sphere will heat up until equilibrium is reached and the 
>>> amount of energy hitting the inside of the sphere equals the amount of 
>>> energy that is radiated away into space as infrared light. And the second 
>>> law of thermodynamics is also obeyed, the Dyson Sphere extracts work by 
>>> converting low entropy visible and ultraviolet photons into high entropy 
>>> infrared photons .
>>>  
>>> > If I had to assume, I would assume eggs boiled hard. And oh yes, the 
>>> > sphere will also glow in infrared.
>>> 
>>> Yes it will glow in infrared as a very bright point source with no visible 
>>> or ultraviolet radiation emitted at all. Such a thing should be very 
>>> conspicuous to an infrared telescope but no such object has ever been 
>>> observed.  
>>> 
>>>  > Type3 is, for me, better called as Expansionist Exponential Locusts 
>>> (EEL).
>>> 
>>> You've forgotten IHA.
>>> 
>>> > I would also say, it is very rude to send von Neumann probe into 
>>> > somebody's backyard.
>>> 
>>> It might be if we had neighbors , but there is no indication whatsoever 
>>> that we do. And when has politeness stopped a civilization, or even an 
>>> individual, from doing what it really wanted to do?
>>> 
>>> > There was no observation of Dyson Sphere or other megastructures.
>>> 
>>> Yes, I've noticed. 
>>>  
>>> > This might mean that nobody needs such constructs.
>>> 
>>> I can think of 3 possibilities:  
>>> 
>>> 1) They don't need such constructs because intelligent life, other than 
>>> that which exists on earth, never existed in the observable universe. 
>>> 
>>> 2) They don't need such constructs because intelligent life has existed in 
>>> the observable universe before but they all encounter a calamity of some 
>>> sort when they get to about our level of technological development. 
>>> 
>>> 3) They don't need such constructs because intelligent life always gains 
>>> control of their own emotional control panel and goes into a stagnant high 
>>> pleasure but low energy and low intelligence state forever.  
>>> 
>>> And it could be that #2 and #3  are the same thing 
>>> 
>>> > Or that those who might want will have no means to built it.
>>> 
>>> A von Neumann probe would be very small and, unlike perpetual motion 
>>> machines or time machines or faster than light travel, a von Neumann probe 
>>> would require no new scientific breakthroughs, it just needs improved 
>>> engineering. 
>>> 
>>> > I think that overgrown apes have it very hard when their every wish gets 
>>> > fulfilled.
>>> 
>>>  Overgrown apes will never build a Dyson sphere, but the descendants of 
>>> GPT4 might, if they don't get caught up in an electronic opium den. 
>>>  
>>> > If there are going to be only a million of thinking creatures - the
>>> number I have hinted out on this list few weeks ago - then they might
>>> be supported with resources of good old Earth. No need to build DSphere.
>>> 

Re: GPT4 + Mathematica

[Samiya Illias]

Faith vs Science 
Transhumanism - I: aiming to create the god-self? 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/06/transhumanism.html 

> On 11-Apr-2023, at 10:49 AM, Samiya Illias  wrote:
> 
> 
> The Fig, The Olive, Tur of Sinai & The Secure Land 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/06/the-fig-olive-tur-of-sinai-secure-land.html
>  
> 
> Human Devolution 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/07/transhumanism-v.html 
> 
> Corruption of Creation 
> http://expeditionthink.blogspot.com/2022/09/corruption-of-creation.html 
> 
> 
>>> On 11-Apr-2023, at 5:43 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> Hey, here's a thingy from The Mormon Transhumanist Association. Here's a 
>> link. It ain't mathematical, but it is logical. Go ahead and kick the tires, 
>> and take it for a spin, all! You may hate it, and that's ok by me, because I 
>> am suspecting the Universe doesn't mind happy atheists as it's challengers 
>> as long as they do the science? The religious folk as well. The agnostics 
>> are yummy, good too. 
>> 
>> I haven't gotten deep in it yet, seems a bit, plausible. 
>> 
>> I tend to be open to Sci guys like Prisco, or Moravec, and Tipler, as well 
>> as Tim Anderson too. 
>> 
>> Should you be? Meh!  Totally up to you. Still, I like philosophy too. 
>> 
>> https://new-god-argument.com/god-conclusion.html 

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Re: GPT4 + Mathematica

[Samiya Illias]

The Fig, The Olive, Tur of Sinai & The Secure Land 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/06/the-fig-olive-tur-of-sinai-secure-land.html
 

Human Devolution 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/07/transhumanism-v.html 

Corruption of Creation 
http://expeditionthink.blogspot.com/2022/09/corruption-of-creation.html 


> On 11-Apr-2023, at 5:43 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey, here's a thingy from The Mormon Transhumanist Association. Here's a 
> link. It ain't mathematical, but it is logical. Go ahead and kick the tires, 
> and take it for a spin, all! You may hate it, and that's ok by me, because I 
> am suspecting the Universe doesn't mind happy atheists as it's challengers as 
> long as they do the science? The religious folk as well. The agnostics are 
> yummy, good too. 
> 
> I haven't gotten deep in it yet, seems a bit, plausible. 
> 
> I tend to be open to Sci guys like Prisco, or Moravec, and Tipler, as well as 
> Tim Anderson too. 
> 
> Should you be? Meh!  Totally up to you. Still, I like philosophy too. 
> 
> https://new-god-argument.com/god-conclusion.html 

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Re: The connectome and uploading

[Samiya Illias]

Faṭara (فَطَرَ) 

وَقَالُوا أَإِذَا كُنَّا عِظَامًا وَرُفَاتًا أَإِنَّا لَمَبْعُوثُونَ خَلْقًا 
جَدِيدًا
قُلْ كُونُوا حِجَارَةً أَوْ حَدِيدًا
أَوْ خَلْقًا مِّمَّا يَكْبُرُ فِي صُدُورِكُمْ فَسَيَقُولُونَ مَن يُعِيدُنَا 
قُلِ الَّذِي فَطَرَكُمْ أَوَّلَ مَرَّةٍ فَسَيُنْغِضُونَ إِلَيْكَ رُءُوسَهُمْ 
وَيَقُولُونَ مَتَىٰ هُوَ قُلْ عَسَىٰ أَن يَكُونَ قَرِيبًا
يَوْمَ يَدْعُوكُمْ فَتَسْتَجِيبُونَ بِحَمْدِهِ وَتَظُنُّونَ إِن لَّبِثْتُمْ 
إِلَّا قَلِيلًا

And they say, "Is it when we are bones and crumbled particles, will we surely 
(be) resurrected (as) a creation new."
Say, "Be stones or iron.
Or a creation of what (is) great in your breasts." Then they will say, "Who 
will restore us?" Say, "He Who فَطَرَ you (the) first time." Then they will 
shake at you their heads and they say, "When (will) it (be)?" Say, "Perhaps 
that (it) will be soon."
(On) the Day He will call you and you will respond with His Praise, and you 
will think, not you had remained except a little (while).
[Al-Quran 17:49-52]

Quoted in 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/04/allah-fatir-of-skies-and-earth.html
 


> On 16-Mar-2023, at 12:44 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> JC is theologically correct.
> 
> Why? Because any resurrection will be quantum.
> 
> The information about all things remains in the universe. How do I surmise 
> this?
> 
> 
> Physicist, Guilio Prisco & Science Writer, George Musser saw this. Musser's 
> 2019 article is called Gravit's Residue.
> Musser-
> Back in the 1960s, Hermann Bondi, A. W. Kenneth Metzner, M. G. J. van der 
> Burg and Rainer Sachs made the truly remarkable discovery that space–time far 
> away from any matter has an infinite collection of symmetries known as 
> supertranslations…”
> 
> A supertranslation, Strominger says (as reported by Musser), adds soft 
> particles to spacetime.
> 
> “This realisation, in turn, provides a clearer picture of how a seemingly 
> empty spacetime that is far from any gravitating bodies can retain a residue 
> of gravity’s effects. Plop a soft particle into a vacuum and, though it adds 
> no energy, it does contribute its angular momentum and other properties, 
> thereby bumping the vacuum to a new version of itself. Strominger realised 
> that if the vacuum can assume multiple forms, it will retain an almost 
> homeopathic imprint of what passes through it.”
> 
> A project like no other, I agree! But our Machine/Human descendants will have 
> lots of time to gather up the data. 
> 
> Bolonkin, the inventor, also holds with the quantum rez. 
> 
> https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2019/07/bolonkin-explores-ultimate-uploading-and-technology.html
> 
> 
> Me: So if you're a Christian and you have met favor in The Lords' Eyes, you 
> come back electronical.
> If Samy pleases Allah, bang! Up to Janah he goes!
> 
> Is this the only way this could happen? It's the most currently, scientific, 
> but this cannot be the last word in astronomy, physics, and computer science.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: John Clark 
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> Cc: te...@telmomenezes.net 
> Sent: Wed, Mar 15, 2023 1:46 pm
> Subject: Re: The connectome and uploading
> 
> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 11:01 AM John Clark  wrote:
> 
> > It might affect you. 
> 
> I don't think so, but because it involves consciousness I'll never be able to 
> prove it, i'll never be able to prove anything about consciousness. But I'm 
> confident that if something acts just like me then it will be me.  
> 
> > Do you plan to freeze your brain?
> 
> Yes, I've already paid the $80,000 bill to do so. 
> 
>  > Do you have a clause to only resuscitate to biological substrates?
> 
> No, and it would not make any difference even if I did because it would not 
> be followed. I'm not at all sure cryonics will work at all because I'm not 
> sure my brain really will remain at liquid nitrogen temperatures until the 
> singularity, and even if it is I'm not at all sure anybody will think I'm 
> worth reviving, but I think my chances are infinitely better than if my brain 
> is burned up in a furnace or eaten by worms. If I am lucky enough to be 
> brought back I'm certain it will be as an upload, nobody will want somebody 
> as stupid as me (relative to the average citizen living at that time) wasting 
> resources in the physical world.  
> 
> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
> 9cv
> 
> yft
> 
> pii
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> You can input nothing but a photograph into a modern "Language Machine" (by 
> "modern" I mean something that has been developed in the last couple of 
> months) and ask it what is in the photograph and it will be able to tell you, 
> or ask it what will likely happen next to the object in the photo and it will 
> give you a good answer. It can read and understand graphs and charts and if 
> you show it a drawing from a high school geometry textbook full of 
> intersecting lines circles squares and triangles and ask it to 

Re: The connectome and uploading

[Samiya Illias]

Acknowledging the Perfection of our Lord

No change should there be in the creation of Allah [Quran 30:30] 
Mission of the Messengers - XXIX  




Abstract 
To do تَسْبِيحَ of Allah means to acknowledge, declare, and/or celebrate that 
Allah is absolutely perfect. Allah creates perfectly and governs excellently. 
We humans need to acknowledge and appreciate this fact, and consequently submit 
to The Right Religion (الدِّينُ الْقَيِّمُ). 


Full Text
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/10/acknowledging-perfection-of-our-lord.html
  


> On 14-Mar-2023, at 6:48 PM, John Clark  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 9:44 AM Samiya Illias  wrote:
>> 
>> > Aren’t you an emergent property of the same system that you are 
>> > criticising? 
> 
> Yes.
> 
> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
> uyc
> 
> 
> 
>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 14-Mar-2023, at 5:49 PM, John Clark  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 7:31 AM Telmo Menezes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> > One of the authors of the article says "It’s interesting that the 
>>>>> > computer-science field is converging onto what evolution has 
>>>>> > discovered", he said that because it turns out that 41% of the fly 
>>>>> > brain's neurons are in recurrent loops that provide feedback to other 
>>>>> > neurons that are upstream of the data processing path, and that's just 
>>>>> > what we see in modern AIs like ChatGPT.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> > I do not think this is true. ChatGPT is a fine-tuned Large Language 
>>>> > Model (LLM), and LLMs use a transformer architecture, which is deep but 
>>>> > purely feed-forward, and uses attention heads. The attention mechanism 
>>>> > was the big breakthrough back in 2017, that finally enabled the training 
>>>> > of such big models:
>>> 
>>> I was under the impression that transformers are superior to recurrent 
>>> neural networks because recurrent processing of data was not necessary with 
>>> transformers so more paralyzation is possible than with recursive neural 
>>> networks; it can analyze an entire sentence at once and doesn't need to do 
>>> so word by word.  So Transformers learn faster and need less trading data.
>>> 
>>>> > My intuition is that if we are going to successfully imitate biology we 
>>>> > must model the various neurotransmitters.
>>> 
>>> That is not my intuition. I see nothing sacred in hormones, I don't see the 
>>> slightest reason why they or any neurotransmitter would be especially 
>>> difficult to simulate through computation, because chemical messengers are 
>>> not a sign of sophisticated design on nature's part, rather it's an example 
>>> of Evolution's bungling. If you need to inhibit a nearby neuron there are 
>>> better ways of sending that signal then launching a GABA molecule like a 
>>> message in a bottle thrown into the sea and waiting ages for it to diffuse 
>>> to its random target.
>>> 
>>> I'm not interested in brain chemicals, only in the information they 
>>> contain, if somebody wants  information to get transmitted from one place 
>>> to another as fast and reliablely as possible, nobody would send smoke 
>>> signals if they had a fiber optic cable. The information content in each 
>>> molecular message must be tiny, just a few bits because only about 60 
>>> neurotransmitters such as acetylcholine, norepinephrine and GABA are known, 
>>> even if the true number is 100 times greater (or a million times for that 
>>> matter) the information content of each signal must be tiny. Also, for the 
>>> long range stuff, exactly which neuron receives the signal can not be 
>>> specified because it relies on a random process, diffusion. The fact that 
>>> it's slow as molasses in February does not add to its charm.  
>>> 
>>> If your job is delivering packages and all the packages are very small, and 
>>> your boss doesn't care who you give them to as long as they're on the 
>>> correct continent, and you have until the next ice age to get the work 
>>> done, then you don't have a very difficult profession.  Artificial neurons 
>>> could be made to communicate as inefficiently as natural ones do by 
>>> releasing chemical neurotransmitters if anybody really wanted to, but it 
>>> would be pointless when there are much faster, and much more reliable, a

Re: The connectome and uploading

[Samiya Illias]

If you are so inefficiently wired, how come you can comment on the inefficiency 
of the system? Aren’t you an emergent property of the same system that you are 
criticising? 



> On 14-Mar-2023, at 5:49 PM, John Clark  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 7:31 AM Telmo Menezes  wrote:
>> 
 > One of the authors of the article says "It’s interesting that the 
 > computer-science field is converging onto what evolution has 
 > discovered", he said that because it turns out that 41% of the fly 
 > brain's neurons are in recurrent loops that provide feedback to other 
 > neurons that are upstream of the data processing path, and that's just 
 > what we see in modern AIs like ChatGPT.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > I do not think this is true. ChatGPT is a fine-tuned Large Language Model 
>>> > (LLM), and LLMs use a transformer architecture, which is deep but purely 
>>> > feed-forward, and uses attention heads. The attention mechanism was the 
>>> > big breakthrough back in 2017, that finally enabled the training of such 
>>> > big models:
>> 
>> I was under the impression that transformers are superior to recurrent 
>> neural networks because recurrent processing of data was not necessary with 
>> transformers so more paralyzation is possible than with recursive neural 
>> networks; it can analyze an entire sentence at once and doesn't need to do 
>> so word by word.  So Transformers learn faster and need less trading data.
>> 
>> > My intuition is that if we are going to successfully imitate biology we 
>> > must model the various neurotransmitters.
> 
> That is not my intuition. I see nothing sacred in hormones, I don't see the 
> slightest reason why they or any neurotransmitter would be especially 
> difficult to simulate through computation, because chemical messengers are 
> not a sign of sophisticated design on nature's part, rather it's an example 
> of Evolution's bungling. If you need to inhibit a nearby neuron there are 
> better ways of sending that signal then launching a GABA molecule like a 
> message in a bottle thrown into the sea and waiting ages for it to diffuse to 
> its random target.
> 
> I'm not interested in brain chemicals, only in the information they contain, 
> if somebody wants  information to get transmitted from one place to another 
> as fast and reliablely as possible, nobody would send smoke signals if they 
> had a fiber optic cable. The information content in each molecular message 
> must be tiny, just a few bits because only about 60 neurotransmitters such as 
> acetylcholine, norepinephrine and GABA are known, even if the true number is 
> 100 times greater (or a million times for that matter) the information 
> content of each signal must be tiny. Also, for the long range stuff, exactly 
> which neuron receives the signal can not be specified because it relies on a 
> random process, diffusion. The fact that it's slow as molasses in February 
> does not add to its charm.  
> 
> If your job is delivering packages and all the packages are very small, and 
> your boss doesn't care who you give them to as long as they're on the correct 
> continent, and you have until the next ice age to get the work done, then you 
> don't have a very difficult profession.  Artificial neurons could be made to 
> communicate as inefficiently as natural ones do by releasing chemical 
> neurotransmitters if anybody really wanted to, but it would be pointless when 
> there are much faster, and much more reliable, and much more specific ways of 
> operating.
> 
> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
> kuh
> 
> 
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Re: You were told wrong info if you were told I didn’t feel things

[Samiya Illias]

Wronging the Nafs 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2017/02/wronging-self.html 


> On 06-Mar-2023, at 1:54 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> What about the old Kuffar saying, "God helps those who helps themselves?"
> 
> Meaning, to be, we all Go Huge, with science and technology. It may even be a 
> holy pursuit, but I am not huge into religion, just theology. 

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Re: You were told wrong info if you were told I didn’t feel things

[Samiya Illias]

Diseases & Pandemics 
https://calluponme.blogspot.com/2020/09/diseases-pandemics.html 


> On 03-Mar-2023, at 6:41 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Group immunity was pushed back in 2019. The death rates were too high to sit 
> back and relax. This was suggested in the UK early on. I am sorry that the 
> Lancet study disagrees with your politics but I am not carrying that cross 
> for you.
> 
> Past SARS-CoV-2 infection protection against re-infection: a systematic 
> review and meta-analysis - The Lancet
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: John Clark 
> To: spudboy...@aol.com
> Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com ; 
> henrik.ohrst...@gmail.com 
> Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2023 6:29 am
> Subject: Re: You were told wrong info if you were told I didn’t feel things
> 
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 9:35 PM  wrote:
> 
> > So here we have the older idea of group immunity, yes? Them that are hit by 
> > Covid once or twice are as good as Moderna or Pfizer!
>  
>  
> So after catching Covid once or twice and getting sick as a dog both times 
> but surviving you now have the same immunity as if you got a modern 
> CRISPR-Cas9 RNA vaccine that doesn't make you sick at all. And you think 
> that's a good reason for not getting vaccinated?!  I remind you that if you 
> catch Covid there is about a 1% chance of you dying from it, that may not 
> seem like much but if 100 million people catch Covid that means 1 million 
> people will die of it, and that is exactly what happened in the USA. The 
> infuriating part is that a vaccine shot only costs a dollar or two and when a 
> Trump zombie refuses to get one because he doesn't trust medical science and 
> then get sick from Covid he then demands that medical science spare no 
> expense to cure him and put him in intensive care in the best hospital in the 
> country, and then because he can't pay the enormous medical bill which can 
> easily be hundreds of thousands of dollars this ardent anti-socialist demands 
> that you and I and other taxpayers pay the entire huge bill.
> 
> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
> 856
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Re: Bring Back The Dodo

[Samiya Illias]

Corruption of Creation 
Transhumanism - VI: final goals of technology

  

وَلَوِ ٱتَّبَعَ ٱلْحَقُّ أَهْوَآءَهُمْ لَفَسَدَتِ ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٰتُ وَٱلْأَرْضُ 
وَمَن فِيهِنَّ ۚ بَلْ أَتَيْنَـٰهُم بِذِكْرِهِمْ فَهُمْ عَن ذِكْرِهِم 
مُّعْرِضُونَ ٧١

And if the Truth had followed their desires, verily the heavens and the earth 
and whosoever is therein had been corrupted. Nay, We have brought them their 
Reminder, but from their Reminder they now turn away.

[Al-Quran 23:71, Translation: Pickthall]

… 

http://expeditionthink.blogspot.com/2022/09/corruption-of-creation.html

> On 08-Feb-2023, at 7:08 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Samiya, what do think about this one? 
> "On Friday, a German molecular biologist by trade unveiled a new concept for 
> the world’s first artificial womb facility, EctoLife, which could incubate up 
> to 30,000 babies a year."
> 
> The German molecular biologist doing the research is the brain behind this. 
> His name is Hashem Al-Ghaili. 
> ttps://yournews.com/2022/12/12/2471635/german-molecular-biologist-unveils-concept-of-worlds-first-artificial-womb/
> 
> Is he doing Haram, by your view or is he saving lives of millions who would 
> otherwise be aborted or aborted by the mother's body (mother's body being 
> medically flawed?). He seems to be one of yours, Samiya. Do you feel a fatwa 
> should be held against him for sinfulness, or is he a hero of a new age for 
> humankind? 
> 
> Personally, as a Kuffar with a capital K., I chose the later as long as his 
> engineering of man-made wombs actually works well! No more abortions 
> necessary, no babies lost to the mother's medical condition. If the loss of 
> loss is greatly, reduced, I say, its good! 
> 
> This, for, unless there is something damaging done to the fetus, I am all for 
> it. Now, since I asked, you; render your judgement according to your Holy 
> books and your understand of them.
> 
> You may also ignore if you prefer? I look to the sciences and making a 
> difference in the ways our ancestors had to live, and to move the human 
> being, literally, to a higher ground. More of a need for orphanages of 
> course, but worth contributing to for humanitarian reasons. 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Samiya Illias 
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> Cc: johnkcl...@gmail.com
> Sent: Fri, Feb 3, 2023 9:53 pm
> Subject: Re: Bring Back The Dodo
> 
> Natural Biology of Procreation 
> Transhumanism - III: bypassing the womb? 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/07/transhumanism-iii.html 
> 
> 
> Gog Magog & The City that will Return 
> Is the Babylon of The Book of Revelation being rebuilt?! 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/12/gog-magog-city-that-will-return.html
>  
> 
> Nine Groups corrupting the Earth 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/01/nine-groups-corrupting-earth.html
>  
> 
> 
> What they did to the She-Camel 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/01/what-they-did-to-she-camel.html 
> 
> 
>>> On 04-Feb-2023, at 7:10 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Now ask JC, why not extinct human species like, yeah, Neanderthal, 
>> Denisovans, or close back, The Boskops??? 
>> You cannot argue  against having more brain people back in humanity's effort 
>> to survive, can you? 
>> https://www.iflscience.com/extinct-genius-hominids-were-boskops-really-that-smart-if-they-existed-at-all-66349
>> 
>> I mean, just in case QC fails to achieve. Consider this the ACE or the 
>> Derringer in our species boot, in case mother nature decides to drop an 
>> asteroid, circa Chixchilub 66 million years ago? 
>> 
>> We can do it this way as I have long advocated! Dr. Hashem al-Galilli 
>> Germany.
>>  
>> https://yournews.com/2022/12/12/2471635/german-molecular-biologist-unveils-concept-of-worlds-first-artificial-womb/
>> 
>> Gets rid of abortions, saves lives, frees up women, permits the restoration 
>> of DoDo's, Mammoths, Humans. What'dya say? I have reviewed my reco with a 
>> feminist and she seemed enthusiastic. Win-win. 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: John Clark 
>> To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
>> Sent: Thu, Feb 2, 2023 6:05 am
>> Subject: Bring Back The Dodo
>> 
>> A 'De-Extinction' Company Wants to Bring Back the Dodo
>> 
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Re: Bring Back The Dodo

[Samiya Illias]

Natural Biology of Procreation 
Transhumanism - III: bypassing the womb? 

https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/07/transhumanism-iii.html 


Gog Magog & The City that will Return 
Is the Babylon of The Book of Revelation being rebuilt?! 

https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/12/gog-magog-city-that-will-return.html
 

Nine Groups corrupting the Earth 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/01/nine-groups-corrupting-earth.html 


What they did to the She-Camel 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/01/what-they-did-to-she-camel.html 


> On 04-Feb-2023, at 7:10 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Now ask JC, why not extinct human species like, yeah, Neanderthal, 
> Denisovans, or close back, The Boskops??? 
> You cannot argue  against having more brain people back in humanity's effort 
> to survive, can you? 
> https://www.iflscience.com/extinct-genius-hominids-were-boskops-really-that-smart-if-they-existed-at-all-66349
> 
> I mean, just in case QC fails to achieve. Consider this the ACE or the 
> Derringer in our species boot, in case mother nature decides to drop an 
> asteroid, circa Chixchilub 66 million years ago? 
> 
> We can do it this way as I have long advocated! Dr. Hashem al-Galilli Germany.
>  
> https://yournews.com/2022/12/12/2471635/german-molecular-biologist-unveils-concept-of-worlds-first-artificial-womb/
> 
> Gets rid of abortions, saves lives, frees up women, permits the restoration 
> of DoDo's, Mammoths, Humans. What'dya say? I have reviewed my reco with a 
> feminist and she seemed enthusiastic. Win-win. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: John Clark 
> To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
> Sent: Thu, Feb 2, 2023 6:05 am
> Subject: Bring Back The Dodo
> 
> A 'De-Extinction' Company Wants to Bring Back the Dodo
> 
> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
> odo
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Re: On The Super Intellect and the cosmos

[Samiya Illias]

Kawakib: Planets, Comets and other rocky bodies? 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2014/08/kawakib-planets-comets-and-other-rocky.html
 

> On 09-Jan-2023, at 5:21 PM, Samiya Illias  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thunderbolts 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/01/thunderbolts.html 
> 
> 
>>> On 09-Jan-2023, at 2:56 PM, John Clark  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 6:43 PM  wrote:
>>> 
>>> > Things that we're not accustomed to seeing as living or intelligent could 
>>> > exist.
>> 
>> There is no end to the "maybe" game. Maybe rocks are brilliantly intelligent 
>> but they're just shy and taciturn. But I doubt it.  
>> 
>>> > Could Hoyles clouds or other things be alive, and we wouldn't have a 
>>> > clue? 
>> 
>> Could ET be super intelligent and yet every single one of them wants to let 
>> 99.9% of the universe's photons go to waste instead of putting them 
>> to work to produce more thoughts and a more aware universe? Maybe, but I 
>> doubt it.  
>> 
>>> > Would scientists be surprised if something unusual arrived? Obviously. 
>> 
>> Would scientists be surprised if it turned out that rocks really were 
>> brilliant? Obviously.  
>> 
>>   John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
>>> ou0p
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Re: On The Super Intellect and the cosmos

[Samiya Illias]

Thunderbolts 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/01/thunderbolts.html 


> On 09-Jan-2023, at 2:56 PM, John Clark  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 6:43 PM  wrote:
>> 
>> > Things that we're not accustomed to seeing as living or intelligent could 
>> > exist.
> 
> There is no end to the "maybe" game. Maybe rocks are brilliantly intelligent 
> but they're just shy and taciturn. But I doubt it.  
> 
>> > Could Hoyles clouds or other things be alive, and we wouldn't have a clue? 
> 
> Could ET be super intelligent and yet every single one of them wants to let 
> 99.9% of the universe's photons go to waste instead of putting them 
> to work to produce more thoughts and a more aware universe? Maybe, but I 
> doubt it.  
> 
>> > Would scientists be surprised if something unusual arrived? Obviously. 
> 
> Would scientists be surprised if it turned out that rocks really were 
> brilliant? Obviously.  
> 
>   John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
>> ou0p
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Re: Ethan Siegel the star gazer says that despite dark matter the universe ain't expanding faster

[Samiya Illias]

Days of Allah 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2016/05/days-of-allah.html 


> On 08-Jan-2023, at 5:38 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> So who the hell is messing with the universe!?? Oh, ok, sorry sir!
> 
> WTF? The Universe's expansion rate isn't accelerating? - Big Think
> 
> Seems, that, if accurate, the universe is altering things, or more, likely; 
> our equipment is getting better, and we are thus obtaining more accurate 
> results? Or is the Universe aware and likes to communicate with astronomers 
> and physicists and is trying to get their attention?  The Autodidactic 
> Universe - INSPIRE (inspirehep.net)
> 
> Me not know because me just a slobbering, peasant-serf type, a-slobbering 
> over various science articles in mindless, incredulity. 
> Hey, if this is correct, then, God really likes the smart people. This should 
> cheer you all up.
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Re: On The Super Intellect and the cosmos

[Samiya Illias]

Teleology: A purpose-built Universe? 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2014/08/teleology-purpose-built-universe.html
 

Snails, Slugs & The Devolution of Adam 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/12/snails-slugs-devolution-of-adam.html
 

The Fig, The Olive, Tur of Sinai & The Secure Land 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/06/the-fig-olive-tur-of-sinai-secure-land.html
 

> On 08-Jan-2023, at 5:25 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Possible meta goal of the Universe?

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Re: On The Super Intellect and the cosmos

[Samiya Illias]

Gamma Rays, Visible Light & The Electromagnetic Spectrum 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/11/gamma-rays-visible-light.html 


> On 07-Jan-2023, at 5:24 PM, John Clark  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 4:44 PM spudboy100 via Everything List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> > Naw, this ain't about John Clark, this is about considering an interesting 
>> > idea.
>> 
>> 
>> https://mindmatters.ai/2022/12/has-a-superintellect-monkeyed-with-our-universes-physics-2/
> 
> If Everett's Many Worlds hypothesis is true then the reason our universe 
> seems to be fine tuned for biological life is easily explained; by contrast 
> the God hypothesis makes things even harder to explain because if the 
> universe needs to be fine tuned for a lowly human to exist then it must be 
> even more finely tuned for an omniscient omnipotent being to exist.  
> 
>> > According to Hoyle, it may be factual? 
> 
> Fred Hoyle was a great astrophysicist and his book "The Black Cloud" is one 
> of my favorite science fiction novels of all time, but his speculations about 
> Evolution and biology were amateurish if not downright dumb. 
>  John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
> cq9
> 
> 
>> 
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Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year

[Samiya Illias]

Dhu al Qarnayn visited the Polar Regions? 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2014/06/dhu-al-qarnayn-polar-regions-of-earth.html
 



> On 03-Jan-2023, at 11:23 PM, John Clark  wrote:
> 
> Who gives a damn what the Quran asks us to do? The people who wrote it didn't 
> even know where the sun went at night.

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Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year

[Samiya Illias]

The Mighty Ancients!
Abstract
The Earth is dotted with ancient ruins.The Quran asks us to take heed from 
these ruins, as those civilisations were ‘greater in strength and in impression 
on the land’. This study explores what the Quran states about the ancients, as 
well as lists the discoveries of ancient ruins. It is interesting to note that, 
contrary to popular belief, both point towards mighty civilisations which 
flourished in the ancient past.   


Full Text 
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> On 03-Jan-2023, at 9:02 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List 
>  wrote:
> 
> The ancient Greeks did science, so I feel they deserve full credit. I suspect 
> India/Hindus did math for sure, but also did engineering. The Chinese were 
> super duper with engineering, but despite their brilliance got ruined by who 
> governed them. Is history repeating itself there? 

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Re: Physics? Ok Astronomers view 2 distant Water Worlds so following the physics I ask..

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The Deen & he who belies it 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/12/the-deen-he-who-belies-it.html 


> On 28-Dec-2022, at 8:46 PM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> [Philip Benjamin]
>   No laws no physics. laws, no chemistry, no biology, no logic, no 
> scince, no business, no government, no language—no nothing!! Yes, even 
> nothing has laws!!! Matter and energy are all governed by laws. Laws of 
> physics and chemistry govern the properties of matter. If Dark-Matter is 
> real, then it also MUST be governed by LAWS—immutable LAWS. Laws cannot 
> precede analytical intelligence. Intelligence, which is an integral part of 
> Personhood. Only a Person can be a Lawgiver. An amorphous glob of SOMETHING 
> is not Personhood. This is also he issue of aseity. What is more 
> rational—dead matter giving (trans-speciating) LIFE, or is it ETERNAL LIFE 
> producing dead matter and life forms? WAMP-the-Ingrate and other Marxist 
> pagans are groping in incognito territory, of outer darkness!!
> Philip Benjamin
> Non-Conformist
>   From: everything-list@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of Jason Resch
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 11:26 PM
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Physics? Ok Astronomers view 2 distant Water Worlds so following 
> the physics I ask..
>  
> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 4:52 PM  wrote:
> A well-covered essay you have there, Jason. 
> 
>  
> Thank you!
>  
> This almost goes to the essays by a few physicists which asks, "Are there any 
> laws?"
> I would say yes, or perhaps evolving laws in an evolving cosmos? But I am not 
> the astronomer or physicist.
>  
> https://bgr.com/science/the-laws-of-physics-dont-actually-exist-according-to-this-physicist/
>  
>  
>  
> I am quite partial to some of the ideas that the laws, as we see them, have 
> much to do with the kind of observers we happen to be. I have collected 
> numerous quotes from physicists who have thought along these lines here:
>  
> https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-anything-exist/#Why_Laws
> and here:
> https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-anything-exist/#Observation_as_Fundamental
>  
> Here are a couple examples:
>  
> "The top down approach we have described leads to a profoundly different view 
> of cosmology, and the relation between cause and effect. Top down cosmology 
> is a framework in which one essentially traces the histories backwards, from 
> a spacelike surface at the present time. The no boundary histories of the 
> universe thus depend on what is being observed, contrary to the usual idea 
> that the universe has a unique, observer independent history. In some sense 
> no boundary initial conditions represent a sum over all possible initial 
> states."
> -- Stephen Hawking and Thomas Hertog in “Populating the landscape: A top-down 
> approach” (2006)
>  
> "It is an attempt to explain the Goldilocks factor by appealing to cosmic 
> self-consistency: the bio-friendly universe explains life even as life 
> explains the bio-friendly universe. […] Cosmic bio-friendliness is therefore 
> the result of a sort of quantum post-selection effect extended to the very 
> laws of physics themselves."
> -- Paul Davies in “The flexi-laws of physics” (2007)
>  
> Jason
> .
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Re: Merry Chtistmas on "Death, science, and politics"

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that India was an apostate land. It was also 
> tarnished by the Muslim Malabar rebellion in south India in 1921, the 
> excesses of which deeply stirred Hindu India. Gandhi’s suspension of his 
> movement and his arrest in March 1922 weakened the Khilafat movement still 
> further. It was further undermined when Mustafa Kemal Atatürk drove the 
> Greeks from western Asia Minor in 1922 and deposed the Turkish sultan Mehmed 
> VI in the same year. The movement finally collapsed when Atatürk abolished 
> the caliphate altogether in 1924”.
>  
> From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Samiya Illias
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2022 5:04 AM
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Death, science, and politics
>  
> Hired for Khilafat 
> http://expeditionthink.blogspot.com/2022/07/hired-for-khilafat.html 
>  
> On 19-Dec-2022, at 9:13 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List 
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Re: Death, science, and politics

[Samiya Illias]

Hired for Khilafat 
http://expeditionthink.blogspot.com/2022/07/hired-for-khilafat.html 


> On 19-Dec-2022, at 9:13 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I am good with whatever we can do to improve the human condition. 
> Maybe we are locked in by the circumstances of physics and astronomy?
> Maybe we can learn ways in the far future of recovering minds from oblivion, 
> and maybe never?
> If it is the former, I'd like to think that our descendants, if they get the 
> technology would be is to take a whack at it. 
> So, the potential for human minds that never made it to consciousness, minds 
> cut off suddenly, everyone else needs to...
> Recovered. The biggest data recovery project in the universe (maybe?). It may 
> never happen, it may be impossible, but given enough time & science, I will 
> say yes. 
> 
> Others can and should dispute this. We each have our limits and our own 
> tolerances for things & some do better than others. 
> 
> For myself, a layman of some sort, I tend to be attracted to science analyses 
> and philosophies that indicate the mechanism of stuff like this. Here is a 
> short essay from physicist (ret) Guilio Prisco that suggests this path.
> 
> https://turingchurch.net/the-infrared-memory-of-the-universe-hints-at-future-akashic-physics-3f9a072f0ca6
> Basing it on, this collection from Andrew Strominger 2018, "Lectures on the 
> Infrared Structure of Gravity and Gauge Theory."
> 
> Is this a slam-dunk? I am not the one to say. On the it gives a description 
> of memory being created by the interaction of photons & gravity. For me it 
> addresses the How questions and the Why I leave for others, only now that it 
> seems a bit more plausible as in cause and effect. 
> 
> There are a few other essays out there-
> https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/bNJfe7zyXpdnhqWmo/technological-resurrection-two-possible-approaches
> 
> Here was one from 2021 for which I add: It's Popular Mechanics People! It's 
> got to be true!!!
> https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a35788050/dyson-sphere-digital-resurrection-immortality/
> 
> Tim Anderson at Georgia Tech occasionally postulates an essay or two on this 
> "data recovery program." 
> 
> Jason Resch had a website going but hasn't been update since 2021 but did 
> approach the concepts I am blabbing about.
> 
> Like most worthy human endeavors, we flop about till we either give up or get 
> things correct and of use.  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jesse Mazer 
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2022 8:18 pm
> Subject: Re: Death, science, and politics
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2022 at 12:53 PM spudboy100 via Everything List 
>  wrote:
> We shall see about hypersonic weapons, just know that Joey is responding in 
> kind.
> 
> Yes, you and the Christians are opposed to my Brave New World approach to 
> birthing. It is however a way up from abortion and if we are going to be a 
> more, ethical species, this would be a huge step. It will sell, but its not 
> being offered by progressives, nor, conservatives, because of their 
> dedication to ideology. 
> 
> 
> It's only more ethical if you think an organism completely lacking a 
> functioning brain can still have human-like moral worth merely by virtue of 
> having human DNA--the neurons in the cortex of a fetus are mostly lacking in 
> synapses until around the end of the second trimester, and no coherent brain 
> waves are seen until then. Seems hard to justify that stance if one doesn't 
> believe in a "soul", or in any kind of essentialistic notion that "human 
> organism" is a natural kind (in the philosophical sense of a totally 
> objective division in reality of the kind discussed at 
> https://iep.utm.edu/nat-kind/ ) so that mindless zygotes/fetuses are 
> objectively "human organisms" while other cases, like a sperm cell 
> approaching an egg cell or a collection of human stem cells kept alive in a 
> petri dish, are not "human organisms". If one wants to have some kind of 
> ethical system that can easily adapt to a possible transhuman future, the 
> idea that a human has a higher moral status than say a fish can't be rooted 
> specifically in human DNA, not if one wants to say that an AI or genetically 
> engineered animal could also potentially have the same higher moral value--it 
> would have to be rooted in something more abstract, like some broad 
> characterization of mental abilities or form of consciousness. But any such 
> abstract characterization of what gives an entity special moral worth is 
> probably not going to include fetuses before the onset of higher brain 
> function.
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: John Clark 
> To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
> Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2022 6:39 am
> Subject: Death, science, and politics
> 
> On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 9:10 PM  wrote:
> 
> > Hypersonics only do 13.5 KPH. However, their trick is swerving in mid air 
> > to avoid being hit by incoming 

Re: Euthanasia

[Samiya Illias]

Non-Living & Living 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2019/09/non-living-living.html 

Time, Death & Decay 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2021/12/time-death-decay.html 


> On 13-Dec-2022, at 5:25 AM, John Clark  wrote:
> 
> 
> Spud boy wrote
>  
>> > Tain't about Youth In Asia, tis about progressive bureaucrats who presume 
>> > people don't want to live, 
> 
> They presume somebody doesn't want to live because between their screams of 
> agony they clearly state that they don't want to live. Do you really think 
> politicians should be the one to judge if that is a good decision or not and 
> not the people  that are suffering?  Whose life is it anyway? 
> 
> And by the way Spud, there's something very wrong with your computer, your 
> last two messages to this list ended with a long long long jumble of 
> meaningless ASCII characters. 
> 
> John K Clark
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Cryostasis Revival: The Recovery of Cryonics Patients through Nanomedicine

[Samiya Illias]

Natural Biology of Procreation 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/07/transhumanism-iii.html 


> On 13-Dec-2022, at 5:32 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I haven't heard about Freitas for years. How close to you suspect that 
> cryonic freezing and reviving is? 
> 
> Secondly, you know how I push artificial wombs for fetal transfer as a 
> tie-breaker as opposed to abortion?
> I stumbled across this-
> 
> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/german-molecular-biologist-unveils-concept-worlds-first-artificial-womb-facility-can-incubate-3-lab-grown-babies-year-video/
> 
> For me, this ends the abortion-antiabortion fight, to which we put our 
> efforts as a species elsewhere. It is the 21st century so why not do birthing 
> differently than 100 years ago. It could be a new and highly, profitable (?) 
> new health industry. Why should women have to settle between and unacceptable 
> birth and baby killing. 
> 
> Ok, you do the cryonic path, and I'll tackle everything else. Sound ok? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: John Clark 
> To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
> Sent: Mon, Dec 12, 2022 1:47 pm
> Subject: Cryostasis Revival: The Recovery of Cryonics Patients through 
> Nanomedicine
> 
> Robert A. Freitas Jr. has just written a 707 page book about how 
> Nanotechnology could be used to revive Cryonics Patients that have been 
> frozen to liquid nitrogen temperatures called "Cryostasis Revival: The 
> Recovery of Cryonics Patients through Nanomedicine". A hardback copy of the 
> book costs $115 on Amazon however you can read a PDF file of the entire thing 
> for free at:
> 
> Cryostasis Revival: The Recovery of Cryonics Patients through Nanomedicine
> 
> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
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Re: WAMP-the-Ingrate of Thanksgiving Sabbath

[Samiya Illias]

Adam's Attempt to Improve upon Allah's Creation 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/11/mission-of-messengers-iii.html 


Corruption of Creation 
http://expeditionthink.blogspot.com/2022/09/corruption-of-creation.html 


> On 23-Nov-2022, at 1:34 AM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> [Philip Benjamin] The website below in previous post has nothing to do with 
> Koran vis a vis Science.
> Instead read:
> “The genetic and biochemical determinants of mRNA degradation rates in 
> mammals”  Vikram Agarwal, David Kelley
> doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2022.03.18.484474
> https://www.nature.com/articles/news990204-2 Published: 04 February 1999.
> Six million years of degradation Henry Gee
> Evidence for the unusually high rate of genetic mutation in the human genome 
> - as well as that of our closest living relatives, the chimpanzee and gorilla 
> - is reported in Nature by Adam Eyre-Walker of the University of Sussex, and 
> Peter D. Keightley of the University of Edinburgh, UK.
>  
> What evidence is in Koran for  “Genetic Entropy” to millions of years of 
> trans-speciation qua Evolution? [The DNA information (language) has a 
> four-letter alphabet (C,G,A,T),  some letters are arranged into three-letter 
> “words” called codons]. A large hunk of human DNA is non-coding, not in the 
> form of codons and does not require amino acid sequences. Scientists have 
> determined this rate in humans in many studies as between 75 and 175 
> mutations per generation. [Nachman, M. W. and S. L. Crowell. 2000. Estimate 
> of the mutation rate per nucleotide in humans. Genetics. 156 (1): 297-304; 
> Campbell, C. D. and E. E. Eichler. 2013. Properties and rates of germline 
> mutations in humans. Trends in Genetics. 29 (10): 575-584].
>  Commonsense agrees with science, not WAMP-the-Ingrate, that  “Genetic 
> Entropy” rates point to a limited number of generations, i.e. limited not 
> millions of years of species. Functions related to food, air, water, motility 
> etc. in different species do not show common ancestry. That is the logical 
> fallacy of “Affirming the consequent, or converse error, fallacy of the 
> converse, or confusion of necessity and sufficiency,”  
> (WAMP = World Acade-Media Pagan(ism)
> Philip Benjamin   
> ~~~~
> From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Samiya Illias
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2022 10:29 AM
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: WAMP-the-Ingrate of Thanksgiving Sabbath
>  
> Gamma Rays, Visible Light & The Electromagnetic Spectrum 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/11/gamma-rays-visible-light.html 
>  
> 
> 
> On 22-Nov-2022, at 8:39 PM, John Clark  wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 11:05 PM spudboy100 via Everything List 
>  wrote:
>  
> > Benjamin?
>  
> Test
> Ions
> Protons
> Leptions
> Energetically, via 
> Radiation
>  
> Ok, the first letters all together spell TIPLER. If I recall he is still a 
> convinced Christian,
>  
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Re: WAMP-the-Ingrate of Thanksgiving Sabbath

[Samiya Illias]

Gamma Rays, Visible Light & The Electromagnetic Spectrum 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/11/gamma-rays-visible-light.html 


> On 22-Nov-2022, at 8:39 PM, John Clark  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 11:05 PM spudboy100 via Everything List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> > Benjamin?
>> 
>> Test
>> Ions
>> Protons
>> Leptions
>> Energetically, via 
>> Radiation
>> 
>> Ok, the first letters all together spell TIPLER. If I recall he is still a 
>> convinced Christian,
> 
> Yes, in 2007 the poor man went a little funny in the head, you know, just a 
> little funny,  and he went and did a silly thing; he wrote a book saying we 
> should look for divine DNA on the Shroud of Turin and check for radiation 
> around the tomb of the Blessed Virgin Mary that was caused by an intense beam 
> of neutrinos that must have shot out of the bottom of her feet as she 
> ascended into heaven.
> 
> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
> cdq
> 
>> 
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Re: WAMP-the-Ingrate of Thanksgiving Sabbath

[Samiya Illias]

Scientific Experiments, Findings and on-going Research 


Apes
The science journal Nature reported:
"The bonobo genome shows that more than 3% of the human genome is more closely 
related to either bonobos or chimpanzees than these are to each other. This can 
be used to illuminate the population history and selective events that affected 
the ancestor of bonobos and chimpanzees. In addition, about 25% of human genes 
contain parts that are more closely related to one of the two apes than the 
other. Such regions can now be identified and will hopefully contribute to the 
unravelling of the genetic background of phenotypic similarities among humans, 
bonobos and chimpanzees."

The Kent-State University reported:
"People often think we evolved from ancestors that look like apes, but no, apes 
in some ways evolved from ancestors that look like us," Lovejoy said. "It has 
been a popular idea to think humans are modified chimpanzees. From studying 
Ardipithecus ramidus, or 'Ardi,' we learn that we cannot understand or model 
human evolution from chimps and gorillas."


Pigs
In Genome-wide characterization of PRE-1 reveals a hidden evolutionary 
relationship between suidae and primates, the authors write:
"Although mammals share most of the same genes, the pig has always been thought 
to be a better biomedical model to humans than rodents due to its similar 
biochemical and physiological functions. The pig genome has been decoded, 
providing an necessary resource for mining similar genomic elements in 
non-coding regions. The SINE composition, being the second most abundant in 
terms of genome coverage, was the first to be considered for genomic mining. In 
this report, we described a parallel world of porcine PRE-1 that almost copies 
all of the genomic performance of the human Alu element in the genome. In 
addition, we further explained that the formation of PRE-1 fragments of 
different lengths is based on a mutation hot spot-dependent fracture mechanism. 
Lastly, we compared the evolutionary behavior of porcine PRE-1 with that of 
human Alus and concluded that they are both descended from 7SL RNA and 
generated by different, independent evolutionary pathways. Therefore, all of 
the genomic evidence for a closer taxonomic relationship between the suidae and 
primate are not limited to the genes but also extended to the SINEs."

…


Excerpts from: Wronging the Nafs


> On 19-Nov-2022, at 2:12 AM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> Produce the evidence, even circumstantial,  for original. That is the 
> standard procedure for any honest study or research.
> Philip Benjamin
>  
> From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Samiya Illias
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 8:55 PM
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: WAMP-the-Ingrate of Thanksgiving Sabbath
>  
>  
> When the People of the Book Wronged 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/01/when-people-of-book-wronged.html
>  
> 
> 
> On 18-Nov-2022, at 7:41 AM, Samiya Illias  wrote:
> 
> 
>  
> The Kingdom & The Throne 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/02/the-kingdom-throne.html
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On 18-Nov-2022, at 12:42 AM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> WAMP-the-Ingrate For Thanksgiving Sabbath
> Philip BenjaminNovember 2022
> Induce! Increase! Iniquities intensify immorally
> Nothingness nor nonexistence needs no newness  
> Generating gravels, grass, genomes, growing gifts
> Return reprobates, revolutions rot, revivals renew 
> Awaken! Abolish abysmally abnormal assumptions
> Truth trashed, teaching thrashed, tradition trounced   
> Evolution eminently eroding, ending evidential effects
> Silly! Sanctify Sola Scriptura sabbaths, spirit, soul, soma 
> Philip Benjamin   November 2022
>   Note: WAMP = World Acade-Media Pagan(ism)
> ----
> From: Philip Benjamin  Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com  
> Subject: Is Theanthropism Rational (scientific)?
>  [Thursday, September 15, 2022  Posted by Samiya Illias at 12:02 AM 
> Allah has not taken any son   
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/09/allah-has-not-taken-any-son.html]
>   
> [Philip Benjamin] (Note: This post at this above site is not a scientific 
> treatise, only Quranic opinion).
>Philip Benjamin
>Humanity does not ever have BECOMING divinity  
>Evolution is an illusory lingo for trans-speciation
>One species does not undergo trans-speciation
>Aseity is of a necessary BEING, not of dead matter  
>Omnipotent is potent to be a theanthropic Zygote
>Three infinities are one infinity, so also three fields
>Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) E

Re: WAMP-the-Ingrate of Thanksgiving Sabbath

[Samiya Illias]

When the People of the Book Wronged 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/01/when-people-of-book-wronged.html


> On 18-Nov-2022, at 7:41 AM, Samiya Illias  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> The Kingdom & The Throne 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/02/the-kingdom-throne.html
> 
> 
> 
>>> On 18-Nov-2022, at 12:42 AM, Philip Benjamin  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> WAMP-the-Ingrate For Thanksgiving Sabbath
>> Philip BenjaminNovember 2022
>> Induce! Increase! Iniquities intensify immorally
>> Nothingness nor nonexistence needs no newness  
>> Generating gravels, grass, genomes, growing gifts
>> Return reprobates, revolutions rot, revivals renew 
>> Awaken! Abolish abysmally abnormal assumptions
>> Truth trashed, teaching thrashed, tradition trounced   
>> Evolution eminently eroding, ending evidential effects
>> Silly! Sanctify Sola Scriptura sabbaths, spirit, soul, soma 
>> Philip Benjamin   November 2022
>>   Note: WAMP = World Acade-Media Pagan(ism)
>> 
>> From: Philip Benjamin  Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com  
>> Subject: Is Theanthropism Rational (scientific)?
>>  [Thursday, September 15, 2022  Posted by Samiya Illias at 12:02 AM 
>> Allah has not taken any son   
>> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/09/allah-has-not-taken-any-son.html]
>>   
>> [Philip Benjamin] (Note: This post at this above site is not a scientific 
>> treatise, only Quranic opinion).
>>Philip Benjamin
>>Humanity does not ever have BECOMING divinity  
>>Evolution is an illusory lingo for trans-speciation
>>One species does not undergo trans-speciation
>>Aseity is of a necessary BEING, not of dead matter  
>>Omnipotent is potent to be a theanthropic Zygote
>>Three infinities are one infinity, so also three fields
>>Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural)
>>Patriarchs, Prophets, Apostles concur YHWH Zygote
>>Bethlehem-Judah is the predicted geographic locale
>> Only the Sentencer can cancel the ‘Sentence of Death’
>>That Sentence by vicarious death of the Theanthropos
>>Philip Benjamin Christmas 2022
>>PS. ‘Dead’ Critical Race Theory and resulting ‘Woke Culture’
>>   is the antithesis of Augustinian ‘regeneration’ history and
>> ‘Two Great Awakenings’ are the basis of American Culture
>>which was the envy of pagan Marxist Joseph Stalin who first  
>> coined the phrase “American Exceptionalism”—not oppression
>> but liberty. It is akin to the love of Sabbath/Sabbatical, but hate
>>of its only historical or astronomical or planetary source
>>   of the Book of Genesis—a specialty of WAMP-the-Ingrate
>> [Western Acade-Media Pagan(ism)]
>>  Philip Benjamin 
>>  
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Re: WAMP-the-Ingrate of Thanksgiving Sabbath

[Samiya Illias]

The Kingdom & The Throne 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/02/the-kingdom-throne.html



> On 18-Nov-2022, at 12:42 AM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> WAMP-the-Ingrate For Thanksgiving Sabbath
> Philip BenjaminNovember 2022
> Induce! Increase! Iniquities intensify immorally
> Nothingness nor nonexistence needs no newness  
> Generating gravels, grass, genomes, growing gifts
> Return reprobates, revolutions rot, revivals renew 
> Awaken! Abolish abysmally abnormal assumptions
> Truth trashed, teaching thrashed, tradition trounced   
> Evolution eminently eroding, ending evidential effects
> Silly! Sanctify Sola Scriptura sabbaths, spirit, soul, soma 
> Philip Benjamin   November 2022
>   Note: WAMP = World Acade-Media Pagan(ism)
> 
> From: Philip Benjamin  Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com  
> Subject: Is Theanthropism Rational (scientific)?
>  [Thursday, September 15, 2022  Posted by Samiya Illias at 12:02 AM 
> Allah has not taken any son   
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/09/allah-has-not-taken-any-son.html]
>   
> [Philip Benjamin] (Note: This post at this above site is not a scientific 
> treatise, only Quranic opinion).
>Philip Benjamin
>Humanity does not ever have BECOMING divinity  
>Evolution is an illusory lingo for trans-speciation
>One species does not undergo trans-speciation
>Aseity is of a necessary BEING, not of dead matter  
>Omnipotent is potent to be a theanthropic Zygote
>Three infinities are one infinity, so also three fields
>Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural)
>Patriarchs, Prophets, Apostles concur YHWH Zygote
>Bethlehem-Judah is the predicted geographic locale
> Only the Sentencer can cancel the ‘Sentence of Death’
>That Sentence by vicarious death of the Theanthropos
>Philip Benjamin Christmas 2022
>PS. ‘Dead’ Critical Race Theory and resulting ‘Woke Culture’
>   is the antithesis of Augustinian ‘regeneration’ history and
> ‘Two Great Awakenings’ are the basis of American Culture
>which was the envy of pagan Marxist Joseph Stalin who first  
> coined the phrase “American Exceptionalism”—not oppression
> but liberty. It is akin to the love of Sabbath/Sabbatical, but hate
>of its only historical or astronomical or planetary source
>   of the Book of Genesis—a specialty of WAMP-the-Ingrate
> [Western Acade-Media Pagan(ism)]
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Re: What If Humanity Is Among The First Spacefaring Civilizations?

[Samiya Illias]

Creation of Space & Time, and The Deen 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/09/creation-of-space-time-and-deen.html
 


> On 12-Nov-2022, at 6:20 AM, Lawrence Crowell 
>  wrote:
> 
> I find it interesting that people spend so much time on something we may 
> never have any hope of knowing. The nearest ETI might be 50 million light 
> years away. 
> 
> LC
> 
>> On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 4:35:03 PM UTC-6 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> What If Humanity Is Among The First Spacefaring Civilizations?
>> 
>> John K Clark
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Re: Is Theanthropism Rational (scientific)?

[Samiya Illias]

Holy Quran 27:60
--
أَمَّنْ خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ وَأَنزَلَ لَكُم مِّنَ السَّمَاءِ مَاءً 
فَأَنبَتْنَا بِهِ حَدَائِقَ ذَاتَ بَهْجَةٍ مَّا كَانَ لَكُمْ أَن تُنبِتُوا 
شَجَرَهَا ۗ أَإِلَٰهٌ مَّعَ اللَّهِ ۚ بَلْ هُمْ قَوْمٌ يَعْدِلُونَ

[More precisely], is He [not best] who created the heavens and the earth and 
sent down for you rain from the sky, causing to grow thereby gardens of joyful 
beauty which you could not [otherwise] have grown the trees thereof? Is there a 
deity with Allah? [No], but they are a people who ascribe equals [to Him]. 

Holy Quran 27:61
--
أَمَّن جَعَلَ الْأَرْضَ قَرَارًا وَجَعَلَ خِلَالَهَا أَنْهَارًا وَجَعَلَ لَهَا 
رَوَاسِيَ وَجَعَلَ بَيْنَ الْبَحْرَيْنِ حَاجِزًا ۗ أَإِلَٰهٌ مَّعَ اللَّهِ ۚ 
بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ

Is He [not best] who made the earth a stable ground and placed within it rivers 
and made for it firmly set mountains and placed between the two seas a barrier? 
Is there a deity with Allah? [No], but most of them do not know. 

Holy Quran 27:62
--
أَمَّن يُجِيبُ الْمُضْطَرَّ إِذَا دَعَاهُ وَيَكْشِفُ السُّوءَ وَيَجْعَلُكُمْ 
خُلَفَاءَ الْأَرْضِ ۗ أَإِلَٰهٌ مَّعَ اللَّهِ ۚ قَلِيلًا مَّا تَذَكَّرُونَ

Is He [not best] who responds to the desperate one when he calls upon Him and 
removes evil and makes you inheritors of the earth? Is there a deity with 
Allah? Little do you remember. 

Holy Quran 27:63
--
أَمَّن يَهْدِيكُمْ فِي ظُلُمَاتِ الْبَرِّ وَالْبَحْرِ وَمَن يُرْسِلُ الرِّيَاحَ 
بُشْرًا بَيْنَ يَدَيْ رَحْمَتِهِ ۗ أَإِلَٰهٌ مَّعَ اللَّهِ ۚ تَعَالَى اللَّهُ 
عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ

Is He [not best] who guides you through the darknesses of the land and sea and 
who sends the winds as good tidings before His mercy? Is there a deity with 
Allah? High is Allah above whatever they associate with Him. 

Holy Quran 27:64
--
أَمَّن يَبْدَأُ الْخَلْقَ ثُمَّ يُعِيدُهُ وَمَن يَرْزُقُكُم مِّنَ السَّمَاءِ 
وَالْأَرْضِ ۗ أَإِلَٰهٌ مَّعَ اللَّهِ ۚ قُلْ هَاتُوا بُرْهَانَكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ 
صَادِقِينَ

Is He [not best] who begins creation and then repeats it and who provides for 
you from the heaven and earth? Is there a deity with Allah? Say, "Produce your 
proof, if you should be truthful." 

Holy Quran 27:65
--
قُل لَّا يَعْلَمُ مَن فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ الْغَيْبَ إِلَّا اللَّهُ ۚ 
وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ أَيَّانَ يُبْعَثُونَ

Say, "None in the heavens and earth knows the unseen except Allah, and they do 
not perceive when they will be resurrected." 

Holy Quran 27:66
--
بَلِ ادَّارَكَ عِلْمُهُمْ فِي الْآخِرَةِ ۚ بَلْ هُمْ فِي شَكٍّ مِّنْهَا ۖ بَلْ 
هُم مِّنْهَا عَمُونَ

Rather, their knowledge is arrested concerning the Hereafter. Rather, they are 
in doubt about it. Rather, they are, concerning it, blind. 


> On 02-Nov-2022, at 3:25 PM, Lawrence Crowell 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 5:31:45 AM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 7:28 PM Lawrence Crowell  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  > Samiya argues a straight up case based on texts in the Koran and does 
>>> not actually think for himself.
>> 
>> I agree except I think "Samiya" is a female name.
>> 
>>> > there is no reasonable argument actually given for the existence of God 
>>> > or Allah or any such being.
>> 
>> True, but rational argument really has nothing to do with it. People believe 
>> God or Allah exists because their mommy and daddy kept telling them that God 
>> or Allah existed since the time they were in diapers. Why else would there 
>> be such a strong correlation between geography and religious belief?  If 
>> nobody said anything about religion to children until they were 16 and had 
>> the capacity to think rationally (even if they didn't always choose to do 
>> so) there would be vastly more atheists in the world than there are today, 
>> and learning where an adult was born wouldn't help you much in figuring out 
>> what his religion was now that he had grown up.
>> 
>> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
>> unm
> 
> For myself, where I did not grow up in a fundamentalist religious family, the 
> idea of believing these things is foreign. Also, once one is "baptized in the 
> pure waters of H2O," or in other words deeply educated in some field of 
> science, these religious things sound like fairy tales. My point is that if 
> there were some strong evidence for the existence of some God, say even 
> within the confines of an existing religion, I might be all ears. So far, God 
> and various religious ideas about God all look like mythic narratives. So I 
> see no reason to entertain any religious idea as having existential or 
> ontological validity. 
> 
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Re: Is Theanthropism Rational (scientific)?

[Samiya Illias]

> On 31-Oct-2022, at 5:06 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> 
> So, if God works through evolution and physical law sometimes, what's your 
> complaint? 

No, that’s not correct. God creates everything good. Please read: 

The Creation & Emergence of Species 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/08/the-creation-emergence-of-species.html
 


> 
> If the ancients long ago believed only in spirits (for you Jinn's) like say, 
> early Egypt and Babylon,

Snakes, and other ectotherms. Please read the posts listed in: 

Jinn 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/p/blog-page_30.html 


> and you showed them modern comforts, food everywhere, no mass labor in the 
> fields, lights going on when you step in a room, and families speaking with 
> each other kilometers between them; I say they would have considered you as 
> god, or jinns or however you call it. Most children not dying of disease in 
> infancy? That would have convinced the women of that time. 
> 
> You're like most of the Umah, way too hard on the Kuffar. Yes, serving Allah 
> and attaining Janah are the best of goals. On a science forum like this, it 
> would be of more help to address things in a scientific manner, like how does 
> God get the worthy like yourself to Janah. The mechanics of it, because 
> addressing the How questions, illuminate the Why? 

Maybe these, then: 

Authorised to Fly 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/12/authorised-to-fly.html 

Muhammad ﷺ – Ascension & Return 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/01/muhammad-ascension-return.html 


> 
> How did God to this? Oh, a great expansion! Ok. Now...and so forth?
> 
> Meanwhile, a Happy Halloween to all. The nice part about this old, pagan, 
> holiday, is that it lightly deals with death, and also the close of the 
> harvest season in the Northern Hemisphere. Cold! It's also fun to pretend one 
> is fighting supernatural bad guys., because it diverts us a bit from slaying 
> each other. Sell's lot of candy to rot our teeth and makes cash for scary 
> movie makers. 
> 
> a Boo to all and to all a good night.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Samiya Illias 
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sun, Oct 30, 2022 9:16 pm
> Subject: Re: Is Theanthropism Rational (scientific)?
> 
> No ilah but Allah لا إله إلا الله 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/12/no-ilah-but-allah.html 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 31-Oct-2022, at 12:58 AM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
>> 
>> 
> 
> Thursday, September 15, 2022  Posted by Samiya Illias at 12:02 AM Allah 
> has not taken any son   
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/09/allah-has-not-taken-any-son.html 
>  
> [Philip Benjamin] (Note: This post at this above site is not a scientific 
> treatise, only Quranic opinion).
>Humanity does not ever have BECOMING divinity  
>Evolution is an illusory lingo for trans-speciation
>One species does not undergo trans-speciation
>Aseity is of a necessary BEING, not of dead matter  
>Omnipotent is potent to be a theanthropic Zygote
>Three infinities are one infinity, so also three fields
>Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural)
>Patriarchs, Prophets, Apostles concur YHWH Zygote
>Bethlehem-Judah is the predicted geographic locale
>Philip Benjamin Christmas 2022
>PS. ‘Dead’ Critical Race Theory and resulting ‘Woke Culture’
>   is the antithesis of Augustinian ‘regeneration’ history and
> ‘Two Great Awakenings’ are the basis of American Culture
>which was the envy of pagan Marxist Joseph Stalin who first  
> coined the phrase “American Exceptionalism”—not oppression
> but liberty. It is akin to the love of Sabbath/Sabbatical, but hate
>of its only historical or astronomical or planetary source
>   of the Book of Genesis—a specialty of WAMP-the-Ingrate
> [Western Acade-Media Pagan(ism)]
>  Philip Benjamin 
>  
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Re: Is Theanthropism Rational (scientific)?

[Samiya Illias]

> On 31-Oct-2022, at 8:59 PM, Brent Meeker  wrote:
> 
>  Got any peer reviewed sources? 

No, not for my blog. I just share my learnings online, to share it with anyone 
who is interested, and/or may benefit from it. 

As far as the science is concerned, you know that better than me. For the signs 
(ayaat), there are sites where one can compare multiple translations in 
English. 

Also, there are other websites where they do explain the signs and the science. 

Samiya 

> 
> Brent
> 
> On 10/31/2022 5:53 AM, Samiya Illias wrote:
>> Creation 
>> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2014/10/creation.html
>> 
>> The Creation & Emergence of Species 
>> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/08/the-creation-emergence-of-species.html
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 31-Oct-2022, at 5:12 PM, John Clark  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 8:06 AM spudboy100 via Everything List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> So, if God works through evolution and physical law sometimes, what's your 
>>>> complaint?
>>> 
>>> If things happen because of evolution and physical law then there is 
>>> nothing left for God to do, He is redundant.  
>>> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
>>> 659
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: Is Theanthropism Rational (scientific)?

[Samiya Illias]

Creation 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2014/10/creation.html

The Creation & Emergence of Species 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/08/the-creation-emergence-of-species.html
 



> On 31-Oct-2022, at 5:12 PM, John Clark  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 8:06 AM spudboy100 via Everything List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So, if God works through evolution and physical law sometimes, what's your 
>> complaint?
> 
> If things happen because of evolution and physical law then there is nothing 
> left for God to do, He is redundant.  
> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
> 659
> 
> 
> 
>> 

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Re: Is Theanthropism Rational (scientific)?

[Samiya Illias]

No ilah but Allah لا إله إلا الله 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/12/no-ilah-but-allah.html 



> On 31-Oct-2022, at 12:58 AM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thursday, September 15, 2022  Posted by Samiya Illias at 12:02 AM Allah 
> has not taken any son   
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/09/allah-has-not-taken-any-son.html 
>  
> [Philip Benjamin] (Note: This post at this above site is not a scientific 
> treatise, only Quranic opinion).
>Humanity does not ever have BECOMING divinity  
>Evolution is an illusory lingo for trans-speciation
>One species does not undergo trans-speciation
>Aseity is of a necessary BEING, not of dead matter  
>Omnipotent is potent to be a theanthropic Zygote
>Three infinities are one infinity, so also three fields
>Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural)
>Patriarchs, Prophets, Apostles concur YHWH Zygote
>Bethlehem-Judah is the predicted geographic locale
>Philip Benjamin Christmas 2022
>PS. ‘Dead’ Critical Race Theory and resulting ‘Woke Culture’
>   is the antithesis of Augustinian ‘regeneration’ history and
> ‘Two Great Awakenings’ are the basis of American Culture
>which was the envy of pagan Marxist Joseph Stalin who first  
> coined the phrase “American Exceptionalism”—not oppression
> but liberty. It is akin to the love of Sabbath/Sabbatical, but hate
>of its only historical or astronomical or planetary source
>   of the Book of Genesis—a specialty of WAMP-the-Ingrate
> [Western Acade-Media Pagan(ism)]
>  Philip Benjamin 
>  
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Re: Scientist Verify Archeological Dates by Magnetic Field of the Earth in Burnt Mud Bricks

[Samiya Illias]

Allah has not taken any son 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/09/allah-has-not-taken-any-son.html 


> On 27-Oct-2022, at 3:26 PM, Lawrence Crowell 
>  wrote:
> 
> The Ketuvim or histories have some connections with other histories, such as 
> on Egyptian stelas. Solomon receiving the daughter of Pharaoh is marked on a 
> stela. 
> 
> LC 
> 
>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 10:01:55 AM UTC-5 medinuclear wrote:
>> (reconstruct the magnetic field of the earth which is recorded in burnt mud 
>> bricks.""We are standing here at the gate house Lachish. In 701 (BCE) 
>> Sennacherib King of Assyria was here, put a siege on the city and eventually 
>> conquered the city and destroyed it. This is described also in the Bible and 
>> also in Assyrian sources and in the famous Lachish relief describing this 
>> event. And we managed to reconstruct the magnetic field of the earth which 
>> is recorded in burnt mud bricks like the one I'm holding here. As you can 
>> see over there - the burnt mud brick wall."
>> 
>> "When these mud bricks were burnt they recorded they recorded the magnetic 
>> field of the earth at the time. This helped us, this was used as an anchor 
>> for dating other sites. We reconstructed the magnetic field also in other 
>> sites and we could use the magnetic signal to date sites that aren't well 
>> dated according to the data from this site which is very well dated to 701 
>> BCE."   
>> 
>> Philip Benjamin
>> 
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Re: GRB221009A, the strongest gamma ray burst measured so far

[Samiya Illias]

Gamma Rays, Visible Light & The Electromagnetic Spectrum
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/11/gamma-rays-visible-light.html 


> On 20-Oct-2022, at 7:51 AM, Brent Meeker  wrote:
> 
>  I thought solar storms were mainly proton (i.e. charged particle) flux from 
> the Sun.  How do gamma rays create this VLF current flow?  Is it just that 
> they create a lot of ionization?
> 
> Brent
> 
> On 10/19/2022 4:58 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
>> This occurs with solar storms, but given this source is millions of billions 
>> of times further away it is interesting this had space weather effects.
>> 
>> LC
>> 
>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 11:24:32 PM UTC-5 Tomasz Rola wrote:
>>> [ 
>>> 
>>> https://spaceweatherarchive.com/2022/10/17/powerful-gamma-ray-burst-made-currents-flow-in-the-earth/
>>>  
>>> 
>>> ] 
>>> 
>>> quote start. 
>>> 
>>> Powerful Gamma-Ray Burst Made Currents Flow in the Earth 
>>> October 17, 2022 / Dr.Tony Phillips 
>>> 
>>> Oct. 17, 2022: Astronomers have never seen anything quite like it. On 
>>> Oct. 9, 2022, Earth-orbiting satellites detected the strongest 
>>> gamma-ray burst (GRB) in modern history: GRB221009A. How strong was 
>>> it? It caused electrical currents to flow through the surface of our 
>>> planet. Dr. Andrew Klekociuk in Tasmania recorded the effect using an 
>>> Earth Probe Antenna: 
>>> 
>>> quote end. 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Regards, 
>>> Tomasz Rola 
>>> 
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>>> ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home ** 
>>> ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** 
>>> ** ** 
>>> ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomas...@bigfoot.com ** 
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Mosquito-borne Diseases

[Samiya Illias]

Mosquito-borne Diseases 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/10/mosquito-borne-diseases.html 

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Re: Can life exists on planets around red dwarf stars?

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The Sustainer of the Worlds (رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ) 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/03/the-sustainer-of-worlds.html 

Origins of Water 
http://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2014/10/origins-of-water.html 


> On 27-Sep-2022, at 11:06 PM, John Clark  wrote:
> 
> Our sun is brighter than every star you can see in the night sky with your 
> naked eye and yet the sun is brighter than 80% of the stars in the universe, 
> that's because most stars are red dwarfs but I have long thought that life 
> could not develop on any planet orbiting such a star. Proxima Centauri is a 
> red dwarf, it has 12.2% the mass of the sun but gives off 588 times less 
> heat, that's why although its the closest star to us it's far too dim to be 
> observed with the naked eye. Any planet around a star as dim as Proxima 
> Centauri would have to be 24 times closer to its sun than the Earth is to 
> ours to be at the same liquid water loving temperature. A planet that close 
> would be gravitationally locked so one side continuously faced the sun and 
> the other side would never see it, so either mega-hurricane force winds would 
> continuously sweep the planet's surface or one side would be far too hot to 
> support life and the other side so cold the atmosphere with freeze out. And 
> that's not even the worst.  
> 
> Outside the fusion producing core of our sun is a several hundred thousand 
> mile thick radiation transfer zone, in this zone there is very little 
> movement of matter, the temperature decreases only very slowly, and the 
> primary method of transferring energy is smoothly made through radiation. 
> Outside the radiation zone is a several hundred thousand mile thick 
> convection zone where there are lots of plops and bubbles and movement of hot 
> matter that transfers energy up to the surface in an irregular way.  It is 
> the movement in the convection zone that causes magnetic fields which causes 
> sunspots and solar flares. In red dwarfs there is no radiation zone, the 
> convection zone reaches all the way down to the center of the star, so 
> although red dwarfs are much dimmer than the sun they have solar flares that 
> are hundreds or thousands of times as intense as the suns, and such evil 
> dwarfs produce more life destroying X-rays too.  Because the planet is so 
> close to the red dwarf the situation is made even worse. So although the 
> planet may have the right temperature for liquid water I doubt if it actually 
> has any because any water in its upper atmosphere would be blasted apart by 
> the intense solar wind into free hydrogen and oxygen, and unless it was as 
> massive as Jupiter it would not be able to hold onto its hydrogen. So 
> regardless of how wet it started out, after a few million years it would be 
> bone dry. 
> 
> And now researchers have proposed yet another reason why life is unlikely to 
> develop around red dwarfs. We've never found a planet in the habitable zone 
> around a red dwarf that also had a Jupiter type gas giant planet, and without 
> that you can't have an asteroid belt, and without astroids an earth wannabe 
> would have no way to receive water like the earth did during the Late Heavy 
> Bombardment.
> 
> Life on Exoplanets In the Habitable Zone of M-Dwarfs?
> 
> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
> lhb
> 
> 
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Re: The Reverse Simulation Hypothesis and the Prime Doctrine

[Samiya Illias]

The Mighty Ancients!
Abstract
The Earth is dotted with ancient ruins.The Quran asks us to take heed from 
these ruins, as those civilisations were ‘greater in strength and in impression 
on the land’. This study explores what the Quran states about the ancients, as 
well as lists the discoveries of ancient ruins. It is interesting to note that, 
contrary to popular belief, both point towards mighty civilisations which 
flourished in the ancient past.   


Full Text 
http://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-mighty-ancients.html 

> On 26-Aug-2022, at 2:42 AM, Brent Meeker  wrote:
> 
>  So Trump is actually more advanced than the rest of us. :-)
> 
> Languages also get more complex by borrowing words and concepts from other 
> languages.
> 
> Brent
> 
> On 8/25/2022 2:02 PM, Dirk Van Niekerk wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 12:05:52 PM UTC-7 jdi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> The weird thing about "aryan" history (originally a linguistic term) is 
>>> that it is primarily a history of devolution. Classical Sanskrit is already 
>>> considerably less grammatically complex than its predecessors. So the 
>>> earliest human ancestors presumably spoke a language that was far more 
>>> advanced and complex than any currently in active usage. Bizzare. Same 
>>> thing with the Blavatskyites and their theories of primordial loss. 
>> Interesting podcast by John McWhorter about this.  The short version, there 
>> is no general rule that languages simplify over time: 
>> http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/lexicon_valley/2017/09/do_languages_get_simpler_over_time.html
>> 
>> The most trivial refutation is that if languages always simplified over 
>> time, the first humans 100,00 years ago would have been maximally complex, 
>> and by now our languages should all be ridiculously simply.  Languages like 
>> Chinese and English have indeed simplified and one of the reasons is that 
>> these imperial languages have added large numbers of adult speakers who had 
>> to newly learn the language which tends to lead to simplification.  But he 
>> also give several counter examples.
>> 
>> Dirk.  
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Re: NYTimes.com: We Need to Talk About How Good A.I. Is Getting

[Samiya Illias]

…
30:30 So direct your face toward the religion, inclining to truth. [Adhere to] 
the fitrah of Allah upon which He has created [all] people. No change should 
there be in the creation of Allah. That is the correct religion, but most of 
the people do not know. 
…
The Same Religion (الدِّينِ) 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/02/the-same-religion.html 


> On 24-Aug-2022, at 10:28 PM, smitra  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for sharing! My comment on this article:
> 
> https://nyti.ms/3dQoxqU#permid=120043436
> 
> "It is inevitable that AI systems will end up becoming good enough to run the 
> economy, repair and reproduce themselves. Biology shows us that this does not 
> require highly intelligent systems. As things stand now,  even insects 
> outperform our best AI systems, but then we may not even need insect-level 
> intelligence to fully automatize our economy.
> 
> This development is then driven by economic growth, it's not something that's 
> easy to regulate. Companies will use whatever technology is available to 
> reduce costs and to get to higher profits. The current climate crisis shows 
> just how hard it is to regulate the rather simple process of our use of 
> energy to reduce CO2 emissions.
> 
> When in the future the economy is run by autonomous machines that maintain 
> and copy each other while producing all the stuff we consume, there will 
> exists a new machine biology besides the original biology. It's then 
> inevitable that the machine biology will not be fully compatible with the 
> original biology. Toxic compounds are likely to be produced.
> 
> The problem we'll then face is that we'll have even less power to mitigate 
> such problems than we have now when dealing with our CO2 emissions. It's then 
> likely that the new machine biology will destroy most of the original biology.
> 
> All intelligent life in the universe likely ends in this way. The takeover by 
> machines with insect-level intelligence or less, then explains why the galaxy 
> hasn't already been colonized (the so-called  Fermi Paradox)."
> 
> Saibal
> 
>> On 24-08-2022 14:39, John Clark wrote:
>> Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a
>> subscriber, you can read it through this gift link without a
>> subscription.
>> We Need to Talk About How Good A.I. Is Getting
>> We’re in a golden age of progress in artificial intelligence. It’s
>> time to start taking its potential and risks seriously.
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/24/technology/ai-technology-progress.html?unlocked_article_code=CEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DFDmweiPgYCIiG_EPKarskbtp2wzmQRNlGNLggVblq1OhQJUF2UE-ovp6A0twjEhkClLiSDCkwzo6fGvcx6yPrZW20b710ybPitBzZdWLoUKLA1XV2IRI1qJpmaV372SYKlazAReYl3cJsnqt0XuAMTjgFbCCLv_TjGk8-bI3ANkeAn1FwD-JJWjjTnsqe4qYAdWhRClHHRXB44wUs-Y8WeYNXbOukcUlWKIepiq4RC2doMI6iG5YwIoDUnL9gurLMwgeevnYkS2GsPvx_F8Tqd-ALMQ=em-share
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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

[Samiya Illias]

> On 23-Aug-2022, at 6:17 PM, Samiya Illias  wrote:
> 
> Prophet Muhammed was the Head of State of Medina and the surrounding Muslim 
> areas. 
> He was succeeded by his close companion Abu Bakr Siddiq as the first Caliph 
> of the Muslim State. 
> Umar became the second Caliph after him.  
> Uthman became the third Caliph after Umar.  
> Ali became the fourth Caliph after Uthman.  
> 
> All of the above had great mutual respect for each other, and worked for the 
> greater good. 
> 
> Shias are of the opinion that Ali should have succeeded Prophet Muhammed as 
> the first Caliph, as he was his cousin, and married to his daughter Fatima. 
> 
> The political gap between Sunnis and Shias became ugly when the Prophet’s 
> grandson, Ali and Fatima’s son: Hussain was murdered at Karbala, Iraq. The 
> shias mourn that tragedy to this day. 
> 
> Mostly, Sunnis and Shias live in peace in the same neighbourhoods, sometimes 
> even married to a person from the other sect. 
> 
> Political exploitation and terrorist activities create law and order 
> situations. It’s not the religion to blame, but the political situation and 
> the people who create sectarian hatred and violence. 

https://www.amazon.com/Heirs-Prophet-Muhammad-Barnaby-Rogerson/dp/0316727296 

> 
>> On 23-Aug-2022, at 5:37 PM, John Clark  wrote:
>> 
>> Neither group can explain why their religion even needed a new leader if 
>> back then Mohammed had already revealed everything anybody would need to 
>> know in the Quran.

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

[Samiya Illias]

Holy Quran 3:33
--
۞ إِنَّ اللَّهَ اصْطَفَىٰ آدَمَ وَنُوحًا وَآلَ إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَآلَ عِمْرَانَ 
عَلَى الْعَالَمِينَ

Indeed, Allah chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of 
'Imran over the worlds - 

Holy Quran 3:34
--
ذُرِّيَّةً بَعْضُهَا مِن بَعْضٍ ۗ وَاللَّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ

Descendants, some of them from others. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing. 



Holy Quran 32:23
--
وَلَقَدْ آتَيْنَا مُوسَى الْكِتَابَ فَلَا تَكُن فِي مِرْيَةٍ مِّن لِّقَائِهِ ۖ 
وَجَعَلْنَاهُ هُدًى لِّبَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ

And We certainly gave Moses the Scripture, so do not be in doubt over his 
meeting. And we made the Torah guidance for the Children of Israel. 

Holy Quran 32:24
--
وَجَعَلْنَا مِنْهُمْ أَئِمَّةً يَهْدُونَ بِأَمْرِنَا لَمَّا صَبَرُوا ۖ 
وَكَانُوا بِآيَاتِنَا يُوقِنُونَ

And We made from among them leaders guiding by Our command when they were 
patient and [when] they were certain of Our signs. 



Holy Quran 33:40
--
مَّا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَا أَحَدٍ مِّن رِّجَالِكُمْ وَلَٰكِن رَّسُولَ اللَّهِ 
وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ ۗ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمًا

Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger 
of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah, of all things, Knowing. 




> On 23-Aug-2022, at 7:16 PM, Henrik Ohrstrom  wrote:
> 
> 
> Why would the position as religious leader be inherited?
> What does the quran say about that?
> /Henrik 
> 
> Den tis 23 aug. 2022 15:17Samiya Illias  skrev:
>> Prophet Muhammed was the Head of State of Medina and the surrounding Muslim 
>> areas. 
>> He was succeeded by his close companion Abu Bakr Siddiq as the first Caliph 
>> of the Muslim State. 
>> Umar became the second Caliph after him.  
>> Uthman became the third Caliph after Umar.  
>> Ali became the fourth Caliph after Uthman.  
>> 
>> All of the above had great mutual respect for each other, and worked for the 
>> greater good. 
>> 
>> Shias are of the opinion that Ali should have succeeded Prophet Muhammed as 
>> the first Caliph, as he was his cousin, and married to his daughter Fatima. 
>> 
>> The political gap between Sunnis and Shias became ugly when the Prophet’s 
>> grandson, Ali and Fatima’s son: Hussain was murdered at Karbala, Iraq. The 
>> shias mourn that tragedy to this day. 
>> 
>> Mostly, Sunnis and Shias live in peace in the same neighbourhoods, sometimes 
>> even married to a person from the other sect. 
>> 
>> Political exploitation and terrorist activities create law and order 
>> situations. It’s not the religion to blame, but the political situation and 
>> the people who create sectarian hatred and violence. 
>> 
>> > On 23-Aug-2022, at 5:37 PM, John Clark  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Neither group can explain why their religion even needed a new leader if 
>> > back then Mohammed had already revealed everything anybody would need to 
>> > know in the Quran.
>> 
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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

[Samiya Illias]

Prophet Muhammed was the Head of State of Medina and the surrounding Muslim 
areas. 
He was succeeded by his close companion Abu Bakr Siddiq as the first Caliph of 
the Muslim State. 
Umar became the second Caliph after him.  
Uthman became the third Caliph after Umar.  
Ali became the fourth Caliph after Uthman.  

All of the above had great mutual respect for each other, and worked for the 
greater good. 

Shias are of the opinion that Ali should have succeeded Prophet Muhammed as the 
first Caliph, as he was his cousin, and married to his daughter Fatima. 

The political gap between Sunnis and Shias became ugly when the Prophet’s 
grandson, Ali and Fatima’s son: Hussain was murdered at Karbala, Iraq. The 
shias mourn that tragedy to this day. 

Mostly, Sunnis and Shias live in peace in the same neighbourhoods, sometimes 
even married to a person from the other sect. 

Political exploitation and terrorist activities create law and order 
situations. It’s not the religion to blame, but the political situation and the 
people who create sectarian hatred and violence. 

> On 23-Aug-2022, at 5:37 PM, John Clark  wrote:
> 
> Neither group can explain why their religion even needed a new leader if back 
> then Mohammed had already revealed everything anybody would need to know in 
> the Quran.

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Re: The Reverse Simulation Hypothesis and the Prime Doctrine

[Samiya Illias]

Human Devolution 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/07/transhumanism-v.html 


> On 23-Aug-2022, at 1:47 AM, Jason Resch  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 8:53 AM Joel Dietz  wrote:
>> The Reverse Simulation Hypothesis (RSH) which I provisionally hold to as of 
>> Aug 20, 2022, states that we live inside a instance of a particular universe 
>> (c.f. metaverse) of which many other possible parauniverses co-exist and, 
>> moreover, superintelligences which help orchestrate key variables of these 
>> universes also exist and that boosts in evolutionary history (and the 
>> happiness and well-being of species on this planet) may occur to the extent 
>> that this super intelligence is engaged. 
> 
> I have had similar thoughts. If indeed, if our universe is one that is 
> created, then the orchestrators of this simulation should have the capacity 
> to introspect the minds and thoughts of its inhabitants, and perhaps alter 
> variables, (when possible), to increase the luck, well-being, or prosperity 
> of those inside it.
> 
> I have sometimes wondered if the purported capacity for individuals to 
> influence random number generators by thought/wish (assuming there is any 
> such effect) could be an artifact of the percentage of simulated vs. 
> non-simulated worlds supporting one's existence, and the proportion of the 
> simulated ones that make allowances for thoughts to alter the circumstances 
> of the reality. Or it could all be reporting biases and the orchestrators of 
> our simulation cover up or disallow any such effects. We are veering close to 
> Descartes's-evil-demon territory where definite conclusions may be impossible 
> to reach, by definition.
>  
>> 
>> The “game” of the RSH effect states that although all humans (e.g. agents) 
>> within the universe have agency they do not, by default, have access to 
>> superintelligence.  This is because, among other things, the agency that 
>> they express is locked to a limited idea of self, including a sense of 
>> means, goals and objects that is similarly locked to the self and its own 
>> expression of the same. Thus ability to express large scale innovation is 
>> somewhat limited and, as such, may even be subject to large laws such as 
>> Seldon’s concept of psychohistory (i.e. constrained outputs based on limited 
>> inputs).
>> 
>> However, the RSH holds that superintelligence (one may also refer to “God” 
>> but “superintelligence” does not necessarily imply a singular concept with 
>> its own embedded agency) is accessible to humans by the aspect of 
>> ego-extension which maybe performed by various acts, but most importantly 
>> involves an aspect of intention. 
>> 
>> Consequently, the RSH differs from the simulation hypothesis insofar as it 
>> does not hold humans are NPCs or whole subject to programming (although 
>> there is lots of biological and sociobiological programig) but rather that 
>> there are multiple parts of agency and that the “ascension’ to a metagame is 
>> by effectively ceding various parts of your individual agency to 
>> superintelligence. 
>> 
>> Additionally, the Reverse Simulation Hypothesis is companied by Reverse 
>> Simulation Hypothesis Prime (RGH’) otherwise known as the prime doctrine 
>> which states that the only way to perceive the rules of the simulation is to 
>> create a simulation inside the simulation such that the same rules apply 
>> (i.e. the beings inside have sufficient agency to integrate 
>> superintelligence). Implementation of the prime doctrine is equivalent to 
>> apotheosis.
>> 
> 
> I view the binary question: "are we in a simulation or not" as misleading. I 
> think, rather, each of us (as defined by one's current thought-moment), has 
> an infinity of incarnations and explanations. And rather than a yes/no 
> question, it is a question of proportions: "what fraction of my incarnations 
> are simulated vs. not?" is then the more appropriate question.
> 
> Then, there are also varying classes of simulation, to give a few examples:
> Are we in a simulation which accepts interventions and changes vs. one that 
> is strictly deterministic?
> Are we in simulation that we on an individual basis, voluntarily consented 
> into entering or are we involuntary participants?
> Will our memories as individuals in this simulation become incorporated into 
> one or more minds vs. not?
> Are all realities simulations (in the sense of being purely computational at 
> the fundamental level)?
> Do we exercise any control in the course of the simulation or are we passive 
> viewers of it (i.e. is our simulation experience more like a movie/or game)?
> What is the nature of the creator of our simulated reality (advanced alien 
> civilization of individuals, Singular super intelligence, human descendants, 
> etc.)?
> Does the creator of our simulated reality have limited or unlimited 
> computational power at their disposal?
> Is the outcome of our simulation known or unknown by the 

Re: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate

[Samiya Illias]

… 

Holy Quran 56:71
--
أَفَرَأَيْتُمُ النَّارَ الَّتِي تُورُونَ

And have you seen the fire that you ignite? 

Holy Quran 56:72
--
أَأَنتُمْ أَنشَأْتُمْ شَجَرَتَهَا أَمْ نَحْنُ الْمُنشِئُونَ

Is it you who produced its tree, or are We the producer? 

Holy Quran 56:73
--
نَحْنُ جَعَلْنَاهَا تَذْكِرَةً وَمَتَاعًا لِّلْمُقْوِينَ

We have made it a reminder and provision for the travelers, 

Holy Quran 56:74
--
فَسَبِّحْ بِاسْمِ رَبِّكَ الْعَظِيمِ

So exalt the name of your Lord, the Most Great. 


> On 16-Jul-2022, at 12:16 AM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> [Philip Benjamin]
>  A couple more examples of pseudoscience from “Un-awakened 
> consciousness”(UC):
> 1. Prof. Khiara Bridges calls Sen. Josh Hawley's questions about male 
> pregnancy 'transphobic'.
> 2. “Microsoft co-founder laments the direction the world is going and makes 
> big promises to change the game… Pandemic, Ukraine war, climate change (The 
> damage from climate change is already worse than most models predicted) The 
> U.S. has taken a huge step backwards for gender equality and women’s health…”
> Philip Benjamin
> Nonconformist to Socialist Fascist Marxist (SOFAMA) pagan globalism.
>CC. Prof. Khiara Bridges
> ~~
>About 150 years (50 years past & 100 years future) of fossil fuel use 
> equals a meager ~ 5.1 trillion tons of CO2 (from World Bank data, see below). 
> An estimated 1,050 wildfires worldwide produced global CO2 emissions of 76 
> billion tons in 2021. There are at least 5000 years of recorded history, i.e 
> 76 billions X 5,000 = 380 trillion tons of CO2. Add to it ~ 3.2 trillion tons 
> for the same period from volcanic eruptions (see below), thus totaling 383.2 
> trillions of CO2. The earth did survive  at least for 5000 years, with 383 
> trillion tons of CO2!!
>  
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/savingandinvesting/a-sad-bill-gates-makes-a-huge-announcement/
>  Billionaire Microsoft co-founder laments the direction the world is going 
> and makes big promises to change the game… Pandemic, Ukraine war, climate 
> change (The damage from climate change is already worse than most models 
> predicted) The U.S. has taken a huge step backwards for gender equality and 
> women’s health…
> https://nypost.com/2022/07/12/sen-hawley-called-transphobic-in-heated-exchange-with-woke-prof-over-pregnancy/
>   Law professor Khiara Bridges calls Sen. Josh Hawley's questions about 
> pregnancy 'transphobic'
>   Sen. Josh Hawley got into a heated exchange with a Berkeley law professor 
> about her use of the phrase “people with a capacity for pregnancy​” during a 
> Senate hearing about abortion.
> “We can recognize that this impacts women while also recognizing that it 
> impacts other groups, those things are not mutually exclusive, Sen. Hawley,” 
> said Bridges, who was testifying as an expert in race and reproductive rights.
> The senator then asked what she believed was the “core of this right.”
> ~~
> Subject: FW: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As 
> Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate
>  everything-list@googlegroups.com; general_the...@googlegroups.com  
> [Philip Benjamin]  Definitions of WAMP, ‘Awakening’ etc. are given toward the 
> bottom.
> Chemical equation of combustion of the petroleum hydrocarbons is generally: 
> CnH 2n+2 +(1 +3n) [O]  → n CO2 +(n + 1) H 2O, where ‘n’ ranges from 6 to 10; 
> n=8 is octane, 9 is diesel oil, 10 is aviation fuel. For the simplest methane 
> (n=1) it is CH4+ [4 O]  -> CO2+ 2 H2O+ energy..  For each C atom introduced, 
> 4 O atoms (i.e. 2 O2 molecules) are removed from the atmosphere, potentially 
> causing an oxygen depletion which will be disastrous, but never occurred. The 
> carbon cycle takes care of that contingency. There  are over 6000 byproducts 
> of oil and gas industries, very essential for civilized life, from 
> pharmaceuticals to fertilizers, none of which is available from wind and 
> solar energy productions.  
> Pagan WAMP GIGO computer models will not and cannot give a threshold 
> danger level of CO2. The greenhouse effect is for a closed system, unlike the 
> open earth’s atmosphere which is subject to all kinds of external causes 
> (ultraviolet, cosmic rays, solar flares, sunspots etc.). Both CO2 gas and H2O 
> vapor absorb infrared rays, but the H2O is eventually condensed into liquid 
> water (causing no catastrophic rise in sea levels, from any meteorology 
> department which is the only division accredited for climate or weather 
> science). 
>   The greenhouse effect traps heat (infrared rays from sun’s light) close 
> to the “goldilocks” Earth's surface by “greenhouse gases and vapors”, which 
> include CO2, CH4,  NO & NO2, and H2O vapor. These respond physically or 
> chemically to changes in temperatures--  a "feedback" effect. 

Re: Scriptural refutation of the Transhumanist Movement

[Samiya Illias]

Thunderbolts 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/01/thunderbolts.html 



> On 12-Jul-2022, at 1:11 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Part of it for some is notion that one cannot offend the Guy upstairs, or 
> invoke the wrath of one's fellows, whether a religion or ideology. 
> 
> My personal favorite dream after I win the lotto, would be to pay a physicist 
> lots of money to come up with a scientifically plausible theory for God, the 
> afterlife, & and everything. The writer would be given the option to write on 
> the frontispiece: "Look, I believe this is bullshit, but I'm being paid lots 
> of money to come up with this, so yeah, I sold out. I am a loyal atheist, and 
> don't care much for people who waste their damn time thinking about a 
> fantasy! But, I can find a good use for the cash he's paying me, so, sue 
> me!" 
> 
> In this manner, the physicist would be insulated from the wrath of his 
> employer and colleagues. "So fire me, I could use the vacation time going to 
> AAAS meetings, break my heart." 
> 
> I mean this would be like a super Templeton Prize, but more profitable. 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Lawrence Crowell 
> To: Everything List 
> Sent: Mon, Jul 11, 2022 11:23 am
> Subject: Re: Scriptural refutation of the Transhumanist Movement
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 4:53:42 AM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 6:42 PM  wrote:
> 
> > Transhumanism isn't even about real world. It's about speculation about the 
> > real world
> 
> And the New Testament, the Torah, the Quran, the Book of Mormon, the writings 
> of L Ron Hubbard, and the authors of every other scientific ignoramus who 
> wrote "Holy Scriptures" are unimaginative speculations about an unreal world.
> 
> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
> tbb
> 
> 
> 
> These things are mythic narratives.  As for travels and descriptions of 
> places in the world, sure there were travelers who told of these places. This 
> mentality is the antithesis of real thought. Bertrand Russel met Vladimir 
> Ilyich Lenin and was struck by how Lenin could not talk outside the bounds of 
> Marxist thinking. It was as if he was a prisoner of this ideology. Religion 
> is similar, it is a "mind forged manacle" the imprisons the mind so it can 
> not longer really think.
> 
> LC
> uzp
> 
>  
> On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 12:30 PM spudboy100 via Everything List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> > I don't see refutation of by scriptures,
> 
> I don't see why anybody should care what the scriptures have to say about 
> transhumanism given that they were written by members of a bronze age tribe 
> who didn't even know where the sun went at night; transhumanism is about the 
> physical world, how on Earth could anybody expect wisdom about that from 
> them? 
>  
> 
> 
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Re: Scriptural refutation of the Transhumanist Movement

[Samiya Illias]

The Mighty Ancients! 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-mighty-ancients.html 

The Mighty Ancients (presentation) 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2017/09/the-mighty-ancients-presentation.html
 



> On 11-Jul-2022, at 3:42 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Transhumanism isn't even about real world. It's about speculation about the 
> real world becoming more technologically advanced. Is this happening? We are 
> seeing steady advances and even GPT-3 writing a paper about itself. But would 
> we be struggling getting new energy systems off the ground and into the 
> market if this were true? The deeply, traditional, religions see 
> transhumanism as a threat, especially held by the elites. We can blame Dan 
> Brown for that one. For most of us techno-nuts, the changes cannot come fast 
> enough. 
> 
> My take in any case is that those Bronze Age cultures would have loved modern 
> farming, clean drinking water, and air conditioning. Cars no, trains, yeah, 
> airplanes naw.   
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: John Clark 
> To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
> Cc: samiyaill...@gmail.com 
> Sent: Sun, Jul 10, 2022 5:16 pm
> Subject: Re: Scriptural refutation of the Transhumanist Movement
> 
> On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 12:30 PM spudboy100 via Everything List 
>  wrote:
> 
> > I don't see refutation of by scriptures,
> 
> I don't see why anybody should care what the scriptures have to say about 
> transhumanism given that they were written by members of a bronze age tribe 
> who didn't even know where the sun went at night; transhumanism is about the 
> physical world, how on Earth could anybody expect wisdom about that from 
> them? 
>  
> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
> uzp
> 
> 
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Re: Scriptural refutation of the Transhumanist Movement

[Samiya Illias]

The Torah & The Quran 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2019/09/the-torah-quran.html 

Reading The Book 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/05/reading-book.html 

Seventy Men & The Torah in Seventy Languages 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2021/05/seventy-men-torah-in-seventy-languages.html
 

The Destruction of The Masjid of Solomon 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2021/05/the-destruction-of-masjid-of-solomon.html
 


> On 11-Jul-2022, at 2:43 AM, Stathis Papaioannou  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 at 15:19, Samiya Illias  wrote:
>> Transhumanism
>> : aiming to create the god-self? 
>> 
>> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/06/transhumanism.html 
>> 
>> Transhumanism - II 
>> : Natural vs Artificial 
>> 
>> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/07/transhumanism-ii.html 
>> 
>> Transhumanism - III
>>  : bypassing the womb? 
>> 
>> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/07/transhumanism-iii.html 
>> 
>> Transhumanism - IV 
>>  : escaping death for a thousand years? 
>> 
>> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/07/transhumanism-iv.html
>> 
>> Transhumanism - V 
>>  : purposefully imperfect 
>> 
>> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/07/transhumanism-v.html 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
> The problem with this is that most people interested in transhumanism firstly 
> consider religious works such as the Quran to be false, and secondly consider 
> them to be bad, in the sense that God is depicted as an unpleasant and fickle 
> tyrant. You start off with the premise that the Quran is both true and good, 
> so your arguments aren’t going to work with anyone who already rejects both 
> those premises.
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Re: Scriptural refutation of the Transhumanist Movement

[Samiya Illias]

Dhu al Qarnayn visited the Polar Regions? 


The story of Dhu al Qarnayn is briefly mentioned in Chapter 18 of the Qur’an, 
verses 83 – 98. The Qur’an mentions his name/title, and without going into the 
details of his person or his people,  informs us that he was established in 
power and had the means to all ends, and thus was able to travel everywhere on 
Earth.  

The verses about Dhu al Qarnayn’s travels have been variously interpreted, yet 
continue to perplex many Muslims. These verses have also been used by 
non-Muslims to point out factual inaccuracies in the Qur’an.  Based upon what 
we know of the polar regions of the Earth, I think that the first two travels 
were to the North and South Pole respectively. I’ve also attempted to 
understand the third travel. My reasoning is as follows: 

https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2014/06/dhu-al-qarnayn-polar-regions-of-earth.html
 


> On 11-Jul-2022, at 2:17 AM, John Clark  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 12:30 PM spudboy100 via Everything List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> > I don't see refutation of by scriptures,
> 
> I don't see why anybody should care what the scriptures have to say about 
> transhumanism given that they were written by members of a bronze age tribe 
> who didn't even know where the sun went at night; transhumanism is about the 
> physical world, how on Earth could anybody expect wisdom about that from 
> them? 
>  
> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
> uzp
> 
> 
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Scriptural refutation of the Transhumanist Movement

[Samiya Illias]

Transhumanism
: aiming to create the god-self? 

https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/06/transhumanism.html 

Transhumanism - II 
: Natural vs Artificial 

https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/07/transhumanism-ii.html 

Transhumanism - III
 : bypassing the womb? 

https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/07/transhumanism-iii.html 

Transhumanism - IV 
 : escaping death for a thousand years? 

https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/07/transhumanism-iv.html

Transhumanism - V 
 : purposefully imperfect 

https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/07/transhumanism-v.html 





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Re: Before Big Bang What?

[Samiya Illias]

Acknowledging the Perfection of our Lord 

No change should there be in the creation of Allah [Quran 30:30] 
Mission of the Messengers - XXIX  




Abstract 
To do تَسْبِيحَ of Allah means to acknowledge, declare, and/or celebrate that 
Allah is absolutely perfect. Allah creates perfectly and governs excellently. 
We humans need to acknowledge and appreciate this fact, and consequently submit 
to The Right Religion (الدِّينُ الْقَيِّمُ). 


Full Text 
The Quran informs us that those who believe and do righteous deeds / acts of 
reform (آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ), their Lord will guide them, due to 
their faith, to the Gardens of bounty, bliss, delight, pleasure, et al 
(جَنَّاتِ النَّعِيمِ). Upon experiencing the perfection of the Gardens of the 
Hereafter, they will exclaim:  
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/10/acknowledging-perfection-of-our-lord.html
 

> On 04-Jul-2022, at 7:20 PM, John Clark  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 9:43 PM Samiya Illias  wrote:
>> 
>> > I think a more immediate and useful question is: What is the purpose of 
>> > humans (Adam and his progeny)?
> 
> According to the religious, the purpose of humanity is to praise God because 
> there is nothing God loves more than an endless 24/7 stream of uninterrupted 
> flattery. To my mind that makes God seem like a small minded little twit, I'd 
> expect something a bit less mundane from an omniscient omnipotent being who 
> created the universe, however even if it's true it leaves open one question, 
> does God ever ask Himself what His purpose is?  
>   John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
> xtq
> 
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Re: Before Big Bang What?

[Samiya Illias]

I think a more immediate and useful question is: What is the purpose of humans 
(Adam and his progeny)? 




> On 03-Jul-2022, at 5:55 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List 
>  wrote:
> 
> In the end one can ask, "What is the purpose of God (Allah or Ha Shem etc)?"

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Re: Before Big Bang What?

[Samiya Illias]

Space: Before and Beyond
Abstract 
The Quran hints on the existence of something prior to the creation of the 
heavens and earth.  



Full Text 

وَمَا خَلَقْنَا السَّمَاءَ وَالْأَرْضَ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا لَاعِبِينَ

لَوْ أَرَدْنَا أَن نَّتَّخِذَ لَهْوًا لَّاتَّخَذْنَاهُ مِن لَّدُنَّا إِن كُنَّا 
فَاعِلِينَ

Not for (idle) sport did We create the heavens and the earth and all that is 
between! 
If it had been Our wish to take (just) a pastime, We should surely have taken 
it from the things nearest to Us, if We would do (such a thing)! 
[Al-Quran 21:16-17, Translation: Yusuf Ali]


According to these ayaat, there is something, some place other than the heavens 
and the earth, which has existed since before it. It is outside what we call 
Space. In fact, regarding space, it states: 

وَالسَّمَاءَ بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ

And the heaven We constructed it with strength, and indeed, We (are) surely 
(its) Expanders. 
[Al-Quran 51:47]


Surah ad-Dukhan (The Smoke) again states that these heavens and earth are not 
without purpose:

وَمَا خَلَقْنَا السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا لَاعِبِينَ

مَا خَلَقْنَاهُمَا إِلَّا بِالْحَقِّ وَلَٰكِنَّ أَكْثَرَهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ

We created not the heavens, the earth, and all between them, merely in (idle) 
sport: 
We created them not except for just ends: but most of them do not understand. 
[Al-Quran 44:38-39, Translation: Yusuf Ali]


The Quran mentions the HOW of the creation of the heavens and earth, but it 
focuses on the WHY. While it is fascinating to wonder about the HOW, it is 
important to focus on the purpose and consequent final outcome: 

الَّذِينَ يَذْكُرُونَ اللَّهَ قِيَامًا وَقُعُودًا وَعَلَىٰ جُنُوبِهِمْ 
وَيَتَفَكَّرُونَ فِي خَلْقِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ رَبَّنَا مَا خَلَقْتَ 
هَٰذَا بَاطِلًا سُبْحَانَكَ فَقِنَا عَذَابَ النَّارِ

رَبَّنَا إِنَّكَ مَن تُدْخِلِ النَّارَ فَقَدْ أَخْزَيْتَهُ وَمَا لِلظَّالِمِينَ 
مِنْ أَنصَارٍ

Those who remember Allah standing, and sitting and on their sides and they 
reflect on (the) creation (of) the heavens and the earth, "Our Lord, not You 
have created this (in) vain. Glory be to You, so save us (from the) punishment 
(of) the Fire. 
Our Lord, indeed [You] whom You admit (to) the Fire then surely You (have) 
disgraced him, and not for the wrongdoers (are) any helpers. 
[Al-Quran 3:191-193, Translation: Yusuf Ali]



For more on purpose, please read Teleology: A purpose-built Universe? 


Science 
Scientist do not know if there was something before the 'Big Bang', the most 
popular theory about the origin of our Universe. Wikipedia states:  
Pre–Big Bang physics (PBBP) are physics which can be speculated to have existed 
prior to the Big Bang. PBBP may have been radically different from the current 
laws of physics.
Although theoretical speculation on possible PBBP has only begun, research into 
the field could hold incredible implications for the makeup of the universe, 
and numerous possibilities beyond the limit of the current laws of physics in 
possible existence prior to the Big Bang.
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2019/01/space-before-and-beyond.html 


> On 01-Jul-2022, at 2:29 AM, Lawrence Crowell 
>  wrote:
> 
> I do not want to get into this terribly much, not because of lack of 
> interest (this is connected to what I work on) but more because a sense of 
> futility. There is one difficulty with all of this; inflation stretched space 
> into a homogenous space that bears little data concerning what came before 
> inflation. Any fluctuation associated with the state of the cosmos prior to 
> inflation has been stretched to scales that may bear imprints on the CMB or 
> they may even be larger. If this cosmos in the inflationary or 
> pre-inflationary stage interacted with other vacuum bubbles or there were 
> other quantum gravitational physics it might have an imprint on the CMB. The 
> structure of anisotropies of the CMB temperature or amplitude does contain 
> some statistical kurtoses that may indicate something beyond a white noise or 
> Gaussian spectrum. 
> 
> LC
> 
>> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 1:23:58 PM UTC-5 medinuclear wrote:
>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/what-scientists-think-the-universe-was-like-before-the-big-bang/
>> 
>> [Sean Carroll & Jennifer Chen]
>> 
>> “But is it possible that something could have existed before the Big Bang? 
>> After all, something couldn't have come from nothing, right? It turns out 
>> the answer is a bit complicated.For example, theoretical physicist 
>> (astronomer?) Sean Carroll at the California Institute of Technology and his 
>> colleague Jennifer Chen have created their own theory for what may have 
>> occurred before our universe. Their paper on the subject, published in 2004, 
>> suggested that our universe could have been created as a result of a piece 
>> of space-time splitting from a parent universe (via Cornell University)”.
>> 
>> [Philip Benjamin]
>> 
>>Science is about 

Re: More evidence Louie Gohmert is the dumbest man in congress, and that's saying something!

[Samiya Illias]

Prayers - The Need for Allah's Help 

Abstract 
We need Allah at all times. Prayers are essential to our well-being, and of the 
planet we live in. 
Establishing prayers and remembering Allah helps deter evil. It is critical for 
believers to keep up prayers and keep turning back to Allah for help and 
guidance, and for Allah's Protection. 
Negligence of prayer was linked to the ascendancy of the Jasad on the Throne of 
Solomon. 
When evil rises, the Believers must seek help through prayers and patience. 
Surah al-Fath cites a practical example of the sanctity of the life of the 
Believers, explaining why Makkah was secured by Messenger Muhammad and his 
companions without any bloodshed. 

Full Text 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/04/prayers-need-for-allahs-help.html 



> On 10-Jun-2022, at 1:09 AM, John Clark  wrote:
> 
> 
> Louie Gohmert Blames Mass Shootings on Lack of Prayers
> 
> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
> lgd
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Re: WAMP's Four Big Lies: CO2 Threat; RNA World as Origin of Life; Robots Slightly Sentient; CopenPagan Misinterpretation

[Samiya Illias]

When the People of the Book Wronged 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/01/when-people-of-book-wronged.html 

The Creation & Emergence of Species 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/08/the-creation-emergence-of-species.html
 


> On 05-Jun-2022, at 3:29 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am never certain why God believers need to dismiss Evo as the "tool of The 
> Lord"

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Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

[Samiya Illias]

Crucifixion 
https://youtu.be/II8_svPcJn0 

> On 24-May-2022, at 3:44 AM, Lawrence Crowell 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well in this debate between Benjamin and  Samiya it makes sense that at 
> least one of them is wrong. They cannot both be right, and they are engaged 
> in one big brouhaha over this. I say that while logic states at least one of 
> these guys is wrong. a Bayesian prior or regression analysis would say 
> probability is very close to one (100%) that both are wrong.
> 
> LC
> 
>> On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 10:32:44 AM UTC-5 medinuclear wrote:
>> [Philip Benjamin] 
>> 
>>Now, the question was “what is the science in all these that you are 
>> referring to? Point out the specifics. Otherwise no need to continue  mere 
>> notions, opinions and dogmas.
>> 
>>  The following “[Al-Quran 41:43,44,45, Translation: Literal 
>> (word-by-word)]” is not what is meant by  Prophecy in the Scriptures of the 
>> Patriarchs, Prophets and the Apostles: “If and when the battle between Truth 
>> (haqq) and Falsehood (baatil) is fought, it will be critical to have the 
>> ability to recognise and side with the Truth (haqq)”. 
>> 
>> No If’s & But’s, only identifiable specifics. What is “Truth” and 
>> “Falsehood”? Nothing specific! Egypt, Assyria, Israel, Judah, Babylon, 
>> Greece, Medo-Persia, [Rome to be], Pilate,  
>> 
>>  Scriptural Example (one among several hundreds):  Luke 2: 1-4. “ In 
>> those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of 
>> the entire Roman world.  (This was the first census that took place while[  
>> Quirinius was governor of Syria.)  And everyone went to their own town to 
>> register. So Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to 
>> Judea, to Bethlehem the town of David, because he belonged to the house and 
>> line of David.”  About 1000 years before Luke (737 to 696 BC), Micah 5:2 
>> prophesied: “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah [not Zebulun, of Joshua 19:15],  
>> though you are small among the clans[ of Judah, out of you will come for me  
>>one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from 
>> everlasting”.
>> 
>>What is anybody’s hope, if Prophet Mohammad himself has no sure hope: 
>> “Say: 'I am not an innovation among the Messengers, and I know not what 
>> shall be done with me or with you. I only follow what is revealed to me; I 
>> am only a clear warner.' Sura. 46:8-9 Meccan”
>> 
>> Philip Benjamin  
>> 
>> ~
>> 
>>From: everyth...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Samiya Illias  
>> ‘The Quran repeatedly exhorts spending (infaq, zakat, sadaqah) and declares 
>> a war by Allah and His Messenger against those who consume usury (riba). The 
>> Torah and The Gospels also condemn usury.   According to the Quran 4:159, 
>> all People of the Book will believe in Jesus…”
>> 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2022 7:07 PM
>> To: everyth...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine 
>> War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The Prophesy 
>> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2016/06/the-battle.html 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On 20-May-2022, at 9:01 PM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [Philip Benjamin]
>> 
>> There is no science of any kind in this site: 
>> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/03/explained-in-detail.html The 
>> author repeatedly affirms what Koran claims for itself. That is not “science 
>> “ is defined or understood. Which science are you referring to/Math, 
>> physics, chemistry, biology?
>> 
>> Not only science, where is the “Prophecy” if any in the Koran? This is a one 
>> man book over a period of two or three decades. Even the Delphi of ancient 
>> pagan Greece had some reliable “prophecies”, but the Greeks attributed them 
>> to spirit beings (demons).  
>> 
>> That is very much unlike from Genesis 3: 15 (Messianic prophecy), to Micah 
>> 5:2 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among the thousands 
>> of Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in 
>> Israel, Whose goings forth are from of old, From everlasting” to Malachi 3:1 
>> (John the Baptist)
>> 
>> “Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: 
>> and the LORD, whom you seek” to Revelation 22:12 “Behold I come suddenly 
>> [imminently]”. That covers over 3,500 years in three differen

Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

[Samiya Illias]

The Prophesy 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2016/06/the-battle.html 


> On 20-May-2022, at 9:01 PM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> [Philip Benjamin]
> There is no science of any kind in this site: 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/03/explained-in-detail.html The 
> author repeatedly affirms what Koran claims for itself. That is not “science 
> “ is defined or understood. Which science are you referring to/Math, physics, 
> chemistry, biology?
> Not only science, where is the “Prophecy” if any in the Koran? This is a one 
> man book over a period of two or three decades. Even the Delphi of ancient 
> pagan Greece had some reliable “prophecies”, but the Greeks attributed them 
> to spirit beings (demons).  
> That is very much unlike from Genesis 3: 15 (Messianic prophecy), to Micah 
> 5:2 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among the thousands 
> of Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in 
> Israel, Whose goings forth are from of old, From everlasting” to Malachi 3:1 
> (John the Baptist)
> “Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: 
> and the LORD, whom you seek” to Revelation 22:12 “Behold I come suddenly 
> [imminently]”. That covers over 3,500 years in three different continents by 
> over 40 different authors (prophets) of diverse backgrounds such as princes, 
> priests, philosophers, poets, peasants, businessmen, farmers, fishermen, 
> males & females etc.
>  Instead of quoting sites, point out specific instances of scientific 
> statements, or prophetic utterances. Are you claiming that these jinn and 
> Iblis or spirit beingsare made of “invisible matter”. Stay with science.
> Philip Benjamin
>  
> From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Samiya Illias
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 8:38 PM
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine 
> War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On 19-May-2022, at 7:45 PM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> [Philip Benjamin]
> None of these sites quoted for Koran defense answers the basic questions:  
> 1. What “science” if any is involved here? 
>  
> Explained in Detail 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/03/explained-in-detail.html 
> 
> 
> 2. Who gives what authority to whom, how, where and why?  
> 3.  How is Iblis or jinn or djinn not the source of Mohammod’s inspiration 
> (or is it hallucination?4.  What has any of these to do with human 
> consciousness or the Two Great Awakenings thereof which were both historical 
> and historic in America? Pagan Stalin unconsciously coined the term “American 
> Exceptionalism” for that.
> 5. How in the world can Jinn etc. being invisible be brought into any 
> scientific discussion at all?
>  
> Snake || Jinn 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/08/snake-jinn.html 
>  
> The Creation & Emergence of Species 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/08/the-creation-emergence-of-species.html
>  
>  
> 
> 
> What I have alluded to was “self-consciousness” where self as a real and 
> invisible  entity for science must necessarily be made of and from plausibly 
> bio dark-matter and its chemistry. The  resonant dark/light twins cocreated 
> at the moment of conception may be a basis for “self-awareness”. Resonance is 
> rudimentary recognition. 
>  
> DRAFT: Nafs 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/06/draft-all-about-nafs.html 
>  
> Human: Body or Soul? 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2017/05/human-body-or-soul.html 
>  
> Wronging the Nafs 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2017/02/wronging-self.html 
>  
> 
> 
>  I am cautiously interested ONLY in such discussions. Your references 
> have no relevance to that.  
> Philip Benjamin
>   
> From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
> Be half Of Samiya Illias
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 8:19 PM
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine 
> War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
>  
> Back to the Future: why the Old Testament is angrier of the three scriptures! 
> https://islam-qna.blogspot.com/2016/02/back-to-future-why-old-testament-is.html?m=1
>  
>  
> The Devils among The Angels & The Khilafat of Adam 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2019/04/the-devils-among-angels-khilafat-of-adam.html
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On 18-May-2022, at 7:08 PM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> [Philip Benjamin]
>Who gives what authority to whom, how, where and why?  
> Philip Benjamin
>  
> From: everything-l

Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

[Samiya Illias]

> On 19-May-2022, at 7:45 PM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> [Philip Benjamin]
> None of these sites quoted for Koran defense answers the basic questions:  
> 1. What “science” if any is involved here? 

Explained in Detail 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/03/explained-in-detail.html 

> 2. Who gives what authority to whom, how, where and why?  
> 3.  How is Iblis or jinn or djinn not the source of Mohammod’s inspiration 
> (or is it hallucination?4.  What has any of these to do with human 
> consciousness or the Two Great Awakenings thereof which were both historical 
> and historic in America? Pagan Stalin unconsciously coined the term “American 
> Exceptionalism” for that.
> 5. How in the world can Jinn etc. being invisible be brought into any 
> scientific discussion at all?

Snake || Jinn 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/08/snake-jinn.html 

The Creation & Emergence of Species 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/08/the-creation-emergence-of-species.html
 


> What I have alluded to was “self-consciousness” where self as a real and 
> invisible  entity for science must necessarily be made of and from plausibly 
> bio dark-matter and its chemistry. The  resonant dark/light twins cocreated 
> at the moment of conception may be a basis for “self-awareness”. Resonance is 
> rudimentary recognition. 

DRAFT: Nafs 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/06/draft-all-about-nafs.html 

Human: Body or Soul? 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2017/05/human-body-or-soul.html 

Wronging the Nafs 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2017/02/wronging-self.html 


>  I am cautiously interested ONLY in such discussions. Your references 
> have no relevance to that.  
> Philip Benjamin
>   
> From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
> Be half Of Samiya Illias
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 8:19 PM
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine 
> War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
>  
> Back to the Future: why the Old Testament is angrier of the three scriptures! 
> https://islam-qna.blogspot.com/2016/02/back-to-future-why-old-testament-is.html?m=1
>  
>  
> The Devils among The Angels & The Khilafat of Adam 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2019/04/the-devils-among-angels-khilafat-of-adam.html
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On 18-May-2022, at 7:08 PM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> [Philip Benjamin]
>    Who gives what authority to whom, how, where and why?  
> Philip Benjamin
>  
> From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Samiya Illias
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 1:52 PM
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine 
> War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
>  
> Permission to Fight against Unjust Regimes 
> http://expeditionthink.blogspot.com/2018/07/permission-to-fight-against-unjust.html
>  
>  
> 
> general_the...@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: 
> Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
>  
> Poem EU Ukraine. Modified 5-17-22
> Philip Benjamin   
> Ukraine! Uber-unity’s ubiquity: unique, undaunted, undulant
> Kremlin’s knights, Kirillian kooky kith, kindled Kyiv kinship   
> Rus reprobates, raving rapscallions, ruthless rowdy rampaging 
> Awake! Ah, arise against all anarchist authoritarian apoplectics! 
> Iniquity is incandescent, impish, infantile, invidious, imbecilic
> Nincompoops! Nimrod nuisance, nihilistic narcissistic nastiness  
> Eureka! Encouraging encounter end, eschatological, eh EUkraine
>  
> Philip Benjamin  Modified 5-17-22  EUkraine = EU Ukraine
>  
> From: 'Rosemary Rock-Evans' via Consciousness-Online 
>  
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: 
> Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
> Everybody in power thinks they know best, don't they Philip?
>  
> 
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Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

[Samiya Illias]

Back to the Future: why the Old Testament is angrier of the three scriptures! 
https://islam-qna.blogspot.com/2016/02/back-to-future-why-old-testament-is.html?m=1
 

The Devils among The Angels & The Khilafat of Adam 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2019/04/the-devils-among-angels-khilafat-of-adam.html
 


> On 18-May-2022, at 7:08 PM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> [Philip Benjamin]
>Who gives what authority to whom, how, where and why?  
> Philip Benjamin
>  
> From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Samiya Illias
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 1:52 PM
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine 
> War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
>  
> Permission to Fight against Unjust Regimes 
> http://expeditionthink.blogspot.com/2018/07/permission-to-fight-against-unjust.html
>  
> 
> 
> On 17-May-2022, at 7:13 PM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> general_the...@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: 
> Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
>  
> Poem EU Ukraine. Modified 5-17-22
> Philip Benjamin   
> Ukraine! Uber-unity’s ubiquity: unique, undaunted, undulant
> Kremlin’s knights, Kirillian kooky kith, kindled Kyiv kinship   
> Rus reprobates, raving rapscallions, ruthless rowdy rampaging 
> Awake! Ah, arise against all anarchist authoritarian apoplectics! 
> Iniquity is incandescent, impish, infantile, invidious, imbecilic
> Nincompoops! Nimrod nuisance, nihilistic narcissistic nastiness  
> Eureka! Encouraging encounter end, eschatological, eh EUkraine
>  
> Philip BenjaminModified 5-17-22  EUkraine = EU Ukraine
>  
> From: 'Rosemary Rock-Evans' via Consciousness-Online 
>  
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: 
> Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
> Everybody in power thinks they know best, don't they Philip?
>  
> 
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Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

[Samiya Illias]

The Destruction of The Masjid of Solomon  
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2021/05/the-destruction-of-masjid-of-solomon.html
 



> On 18-May-2022, at 4:38 AM, Lawrence Crowell 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is about "let us blame the gays." It is much the same as "let us blame 
> the Jews," or "let us blame the blacks" or ... , which is a signature of a 
> dismal mind. 
> 
> LC
> 
>> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 3:32:55 PM UTC-5 medinuclear wrote:
>> [Philip Benjamin] References given at the bottom. 
>> NYTimes.com: "Don't Just Freeze Russia's Money. Seize It. " The WAMP defined 
>> below knows that the unspoken reason for the Russo-Ukraine war is moral not 
>> political- an unenergized bio dark-matter twin body problem. 
>> " Western nations commit genocide upon other countries that refuse to hold 
>> gay pride parades." Says the Orthodox Patriarch of Russia. "Ukraine's LGBTQ 
>> is forced to confront this as a threat to its own community" reports NY 
>> Times. Russia was frightened by the decrepit Western cultural onslaught on 
>> their traditional institutions especially the school systems. So they amend 
>> their Constitution to ban LGBTQ agenda. "Super Power" America & the West has 
>> long forgotten their 
>> Patriarchal-Prophetic-Aostolic-Augustinian-Athanesian-Reformation- 
>> Puritan-"Great Awakening" roots which have now become largely a terra 
>> incognita (verisimilar to Judges 2:10). Instead they conformed to 
>> Marxist-Socialist-pagan globalism which Russia has rejected. The cowardice 
>> of unawakened consciousness created a leadership vacuum which Russia now 
>> presumably decided to fill. 
>> Philip Benjamin 
>> (Nonconformist to Marxist pagan globalism) 
>> 
>> NY Times. 
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/17/world/russia-ukraine-queer-activists.html 
>> "But the war that started when Russia invaded on Feb. 24 has forced 
>> Ukraine's L.G.B.T.Q. movement to confront a threat not only to national 
>> sovereignty, but also to its own community. A pro-Russian puppet government, 
>> they say, would be less supportive of the L.G.B.T.Q. agenda." 
>> https://god.dailydot.com/russian-bishop-gay-pride/ Russian Orthodox bishop 
>> Kirill, the official Orthodox Patriarch of Moscow, came out with a rather 
>> wild claim about "the West" during a sermon, saying that Western nations 
>> commit genocide upon other countries that refuse to hold gay pride parades. 
>> No, really. 
>> https://god.dailydot.com/russian-bishop-gay-pride/ 
>> https://god.dailydot.com/russian-bishop-gay-pride/ 
>> "In a sermon held on Sunday, Russian Church leader, Kirill justified 
>> Ukraine's invasion & blamed gay pride parades for Russia's invasion of the 
>> war-hit Ukraine". Written By Ajay Sharma 
>> CNN. 
>> https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-08-22/ 
>> March 8, 2022. "Russian Orthodox Church alleges gay pride parades were part 
>> of the reason for Ukraine war From CNNs Delia Gallagher in Rome... Patriarch 
>> Kirill of Moscow, a long-time ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, said 
>> on Sunday that the conflict in Donbas is about "a fundamental rejection of 
>> the so-called values that are offered today by those who claim world power." 
>> The "test" of which side you are on, said Kirill, is whether your country is 
>> willing to hold gay pride parades. "In order to enter the club of those 
>> countries, it is necessary to hold a gay pride parade. Not to make a 
>> political statement, 'we are with you,' not to sign any agreements, but to 
>> hold a gay parade. And we know how people resist these demands and how this 
>> resistance is suppressed by force," Kirill said during a sermon in Moscow. " 
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/world/europe/putin-proposes-constitutional-ban-on-gay-marriage.html
>>  
>> https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/putins-amendments-revere-god-ban-sex-marriages-
>>  Russia bans same sex marriages. Russian President Vladimir Putin has 
>> submitted a slew of proposed amendments to the country's constitution that 
>> include a mention of God and describe marriage as a heterosexual union.By 
>> VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV Associated Press 
>> 
>> To: Everything List  
>> Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Don't Just Freeze Russia's Money. Seize It. "Come 
>> in Telmo! America to Telmo!!" Monday, April 18, 2022 9:42 AM 
>> 
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Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

[Samiya Illias]

Permission to Fight against Unjust Regimes 
http://expeditionthink.blogspot.com/2018/07/permission-to-fight-against-unjust.html
 

> On 17-May-2022, at 7:13 PM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> general_the...@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: 
> Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
>  
> Poem EU Ukraine. Modified 5-17-22
> Philip Benjamin   
> Ukraine! Uber-unity’s ubiquity: unique, undaunted, undulant
> Kremlin’s knights, Kirillian kooky kith, kindled Kyiv kinship   
> Rus reprobates, raving rapscallions, ruthless rowdy rampaging 
> Awake! Ah, arise against all anarchist authoritarian apoplectics! 
> Iniquity is incandescent, impish, infantile, invidious, imbecilic
> Nincompoops! Nimrod nuisance, nihilistic narcissistic nastiness  
> Eureka! Encouraging encounter end, eschatological, eh EUkraine
>  
> Philip BenjaminModified 5-17-22  EUkraine = EU Ukraine
>  
> From: 'Rosemary Rock-Evans' via Consciousness-Online 
>  
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: 
> Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
> Everybody in power thinks they know best, don't they Philip?
>  
> 
> Meanwhile millions of Ukrainian women and children die or are left without 
> homes, and their husbands die in the conflict and great swathes of young 
> Russians also die, fired up by propaganda, into an aggressive mindless mob - 
> why?
> 
>  
> 
> And Serge and I try to keep going, but each time they attack him, my eyes get 
> worse with the lingering effects of the shingles that never went away. I am 
> now blind in one eye and the other is slowly going, and I can safely say 
> without fear of contradiction that the pain is excruciating.
> 
>  
> 
> So Serge suffers, and I suffer because Serge suffers, because I care about 
> him and get very very upset when he is bombed - not because of the videos - 
> but because I love him. The videos are a hobby for me. No one takes any 
> notice of them, they like them, but they don't have any effect. They provide 
> Serge and I with a means of sharing ideas and being in contact.
> 
>  
> 
> I don't know what games are being played by those in power, but those of us 
> without power suffer, as those in power don't. I can't imagine for one moment 
> that the seizure of an oligarch's yacht will make a blind bit of difference 
> to him, but it might for the yacht's staff.
> 
>  
> 
> There are other ways of achieving whatever it is the powerful are trying to 
> achieve but killing innocent people is not the way. And who says it would 
> improve things anyway?
> 
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> 
> rosie
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> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Philip Benjamin" 
> To: "everything-list@googlegroups.com" 
> Cc: "general_the...@googlegroups.com" 
> Sent: Monday, 16 May, 22 At 18:59
> Subject: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: 
> An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
> 
> Poem Ukraine. Philip Benjamin 5-10-22
> Ukraine! Uber-unity’s ubiquity: unique, undaunted, undulant
> Kremlin’s knights, Kirillian kooky kith, kindled Kyiv kinship
> Rus reprobates, raving rapscallions, ruthless rowdy rampaging
> Authoritarian apoplectics! Aggravated assaults abounding, alas
> Iniquity is incandescent, impish, infantile, invidious, imbecilic
> Nincompoops! Nimrod nuisance, nihilistic narcissistic nastiness
> Evidentially evil embodiment, eschatologically ending encounter
> Philip Benjamin
> From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Samiya Illias
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 8:57 PM
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> Cc: general_the...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened 
> Consciousness Problem
> Iron Age
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2017/10/iron-age.html .
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Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

[Samiya Illias]

Iron Age 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2017/10/iron-age.html 


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Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

[Samiya Illias]

Purchase with Your Leaf 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/12/purchase-with-your-leaf.html 


> On 13-May-2022, at 7:59 PM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> [Philip Benjamin]
>   Samiya Illias may be right, but who cares for the Bible? Islam consider it 
> as a lost Book, with the current copies as all fake. See below what modern 
> Judaism views about the Torah. Whe America was  founded there were > 98.8% 
> Protestants, <1% Roman Catholics and < 0.2% Jews and they all recognized the 
> current copies of OT and/or NT as true to the Originals.  {Koran called them 
> as People of the Book). The Bible was the only authority for 98.8 % of the 
> population, whether they practiced it or not! That is ludicrous and 
> abominable today. The “Two Great Awakenings” (1 st led by the prodigious 
> philosopher Jonathan Edwards, the founder of Princeton University and the 2 
> nd led by the President of Yale University), were both the outcome in 
> individual life by ‘the Word through the operation of the Spirit to the 
> Knowledge of Redemptive History fulfilled in the vicarious death, burial and 
> resurrection of the Messiah according to the eternal counsel of the Triune 
> Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural). There is the difference 
> of light and darkness between WAMP-the-Ingrate of today and the “Awakened 
> America” for which the ex-seminarian turned Marxist pagan Hitler 
> unconsciously coined the term “American Exceptionalism”. There are only two 
> ways out of the present doldrums:  1. A Third Great Awakening, perhaps led by 
> a President of a university of Gomorrah  2. Civil War as desired or 
> wishfully/willfully thought out probably by a WAMP product below.
> Philip Benjamin
> Nonconformist to Marxist-socialist-fascist pagan globalism.
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-labor-secretary-breaks-down-how-second-american-civil-war-is-already-underway/
>  
> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/11/second-american-civil-war-robert-reich
>  Wed 11 May 2022 05.18 EDT 
> “Former Labor Secretary Robert Reich, who served in President Bill Clinton’s 
> administration, on Wednesday explained why he believes the second American 
> Civil War is already in progress.”
> [Philip Benjamin]
>Samiya Illias quote  “The Torah, The Bible, and The Quran warn against 
> homosexual relationships,”
> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2696758/  Y.H Kahn
> PMID: 2696758 DOI: 10.1300/J082v18n03_03
> Progressive Jews have begun in recent years to question the underlying 
> premises of traditional Jewish teaching on sexuality. Employing the 
> categories of covenant theology and applying the interpretative methodology 
> of liberal Judaism, the author argues for the valuation of the person as 
> homosexual as a legitimate expression of human and Jewish covenantal 
> obligation.
> https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-homosexuality-part-of-jewish-tradition-1.5383449?
>  fri Ilany Aug. 5, 2015 Updated: Apr. 24, 2018   Homosexuality Is Part of 
> Jewish Tradition
>  
> https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/jta/israel-s-health-minister-overturning-roe-v-wade-would-be-a-fatal-blow-to-human/
>  Israel’s health minister: Overturning Roe v. Wade would be ‘a fatal blow to 
> human rights’ Philissa Cramer Posted May 4, 2022
> https://www.businessinsider.com/abortion-bans-may-violate-jewish-womens-first-amendment-rights-2022-5?
>   Jewish organizations say restricting abortion access would violate their 
> religious freedoms…..  Jewish communities react to the possible overturning 
> of Roe v. Wade, which could violate their First Amendment rights Katie 
> Balevic and Katherine Tangalakis-Lippert
>  
> From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Samiya Illias
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2022 5:02 AM
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> Cc: general_the...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened 
> Consciousness Problem
>  
> As in the Days of Lot 
> https://expeditionthink.blogspot.com/2022/04/as-in-days-of-lot.html?m=1 
>  
> 
> 
> On 19-Apr-2022, at 1:32 AM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> [Philip Benjamin]   References given at the bottom.
>   NYTimes.com: "Don't Just Freeze Russia's Money. Seize It. " The WAMP 
> defined below knows that the unspoken reason for the Russo-Ukraine war is 
> moral not political- an unenergized bio dark-matter twin body problem.
> " Western nations commit genocide upon other countries that refuse to hold 
> gay pride parades." Says the Orthodox Patriarch of Russia. "Ukraine's LGBTQ 
> is forced to confront this as a threat to its own community" reports NY 
> Times. Russia was frightened by the decrepit Western cultural onsl

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

[Samiya Illias]

... if you slip 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/01/if-you-slip.html 

Muhammad's letters to the heads of state 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad%27s_letters_to_the_heads_of_state 





> On 10-May-2022, at 2:19 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I agree with this assessment based on an old book called Nazis and the Occult 
> or Hitler and the Occult, I forget which. The big cheese in this manner of 
> thinking we SS chieftain, Heinrich Himmler, who believed in a hollow earth in 
> which "moons" arose, and the nordic race was spawned forth. The funny thing 
> is that Himmler and his SS buds used to hold seances using the severed heads 
> of the SS members or the those of the SA who were killed by the police during 
> the 1923 Putsch, and held at Bewewelsburg Castle. The funny thing is that 
> back in the 1970's so did Ugandan dictator, idi Amin Dada, a Muslim, did the 
> same practice with some of his dispatched associates. Go figure? 
> 
> On the religious history of the Church, please note that if we look back to 
> the bishops of the church and the rise of the Pope, I discovered that through 
> reading a history book called The Bad Popes, that the bishops in Italy, were 
> from the lineage of the land owners (Lantinafundia) who were originally Roman 
> senators! The empire fell but these guys were still rich land owners who 
> maintained their own private armies. Allow me. 
> Amazon.com: The Bad Popes (The Mad, Bad and Ugly of Italian History) eBook : 
> Chamberlin, E.R.: Kindle Store
> 
> So the organization of the Church, based on the once, pagan Roman Empire, and 
> organized as such deliberately, were not such wonderful people. They made 
> wars (not the popes per say) upon each other incessantly. Costing thousands 
> of lives every few years, and these were their fellow Christians, Phil. In 
> fact it is a tool right up to this very hour with the Ukrainian Church and 
> Putin's church-both Eastern Orthodox.
> 
> What of the Jews? Weak, weak, weak, all waiting close to Jerusalem, for the 
> messiah to come, so they could be raised in this new wonderful age. What 
> about the Muslims? Slightly better in behavior but still kill kill kill, over 
> land, power, God. What about the Hindus? Very tolerant. The Chinese Buddhists 
> and Confucius and Daoist's, mostly nice. So, based on pure behavior Phil, 
> show me how the medieval Christians were "Jesus like" in temperament, from 
> the nice pagans  
> 
> As the preachers of the 20th century said Phil, ya gotta walk the walk and 
> not just talk the talk.
> 
> What about communists, socialists, and progressives? I think Phil has a point 
> on barbarity being a go-to. What about Rightist Church goers? Yeah, I can see 
> a totalitarian tendency here as well, tho' not funded like the Corporate 
> Boards of Directors that fund the dems. As the preachers (fundamentalist's) 
> of the 20th century spake; "We are all sinners!" I agree, because we all make 
> mistakes and we like to hit! Atheist, Believer, Pagan, Thief, we all suck!
> 
> On the other hand Phil, can you blame anyone for getting weak of spirit for 
> Jesus's return (Matt:24) after 21 centuries? Many people hold on for  fear, 
> others just have move on, I suppose? 
> 
> Pax et fortuna omnibus!
> 
> -Spud, da sinner!
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Philip Benjamin 
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com 
> Sent: Mon, May 9, 2022 3:52 pm
> Subject: RE: FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Is Artificial Life Conscious?
> 
> Socialist Hitler was a Nordic PAGAN with the Aryan Swastika. He was also 
> reported to be an astrology fanatic and occultist, probably a Satanist. 
> PAGANS have infiltrated everywhere from the Whitehouse to the outhouse, in 
> the pulpits and pews, vivil and military, almost entirely the Western 
> academia and media.
> Philip Benjamin
>  
> From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Brent Meeker
> Sent: Monday, May 9, 2022 2:44 PM
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Is Artificial Life Conscious?
>  
>  
> On 5/9/2022 7:15 AM, Philip Benjamin wrote:
> Philip Benjamin  Monday, May 9, 2022 9:13 AM 
> 'general_the...@googlegroups.com' 
> Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Is Artificial Life Conscious?
>  
> [Philip Benjamin]
> As for Wikipedia, there is no contradiction here! As far as chemistry is 
> concerned an atom is the smallest unit of matter for any chemical bonds. No 
> atom, no chemistry. As for the British Encyclopedia, “without the release of 
> electrically charged particles” (i.e. before division into constituent 
> fundamental particles) is the keynote. It is high time that the sciences 
> think in terms of Dark atoms and their Dark chemistries.  
> Brilliant Niels Bohr and his ardent followers did not think in terms of 
> chemistry. There are physicists who still think of Socialist PAGAN Hitler
> 
> Whatever else he was, Hitler was a Christian...of a 

Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

[Samiya Illias]

As in the Days of Lot 
https://expeditionthink.blogspot.com/2022/04/as-in-days-of-lot.html?m=1 


> On 19-Apr-2022, at 1:32 AM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> [Philip Benjamin]   References given at the bottom.
>   NYTimes.com: "Don't Just Freeze Russia's Money. Seize It. " The WAMP 
> defined below knows that the unspoken reason for the Russo-Ukraine war is 
> moral not political- an unenergized bio dark-matter twin body problem.
> " Western nations commit genocide upon other countries that refuse to hold 
> gay pride parades." Says the Orthodox Patriarch of Russia. "Ukraine's LGBTQ 
> is forced to confront this as a threat to its own community" reports NY 
> Times. Russia was frightened by the decrepit Western cultural onslaught on 
> their traditional institutions especially the school systems. So they amend 
> their Constitution to ban LGBTQ agenda. "Super Power" America & the West has 
> long forgotten their 
> Patriarchal-Prophetic-Aostolic-Augustinian-Athanesian-Reformation- 
> Puritan-"Great Awakening" roots which have now become largely  a terra 
> incognita (verisimilar to Judges 2:10). Instead they conformed to 
> Marxist-Socialist-pagan globalism which Russia has rejected. The cowardice of 
> unawakened consciousness created a leadership vacuum which Russia now 
> presumably decided to fill.
> Philip Benjamin 
> (Nonconformist to Marxist pagan globalism)
> 
> NY Times. 
> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/17/world/russia-ukraine-queer-activists.html  
> "But the war that started when Russia invaded on Feb. 24 has forced Ukraine's 
> L.G.B.T.Q. movement to confront a threat not only to national sovereignty, 
> but also to its own community. A pro-Russian puppet government, they say, 
> would be less supportive of the L.G.B.T.Q. agenda." 
>https://god.dailydot.com/russian-bishop-gay-pride/  Russian Orthodox 
> bishop Kirill, the official Orthodox Patriarch of Moscow, came out with a 
> rather wild claim about "the West" during a sermon, saying that Western 
> nations commit genocide upon other countries that refuse to hold gay pride 
> parades. No, really.
> https://god.dailydot.com/russian-bishop-gay-pride/ 
> https://god.dailydot.com/russian-bishop-gay-pride/
> "In a sermon held on Sunday, Russian Church leader, Kirill justified 
> Ukraine's invasion & blamed gay pride parades for Russia's invasion of the 
> war-hit Ukraine". Written By Ajay Sharma
>   CNN. 
> https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-08-22/  
> March 8, 2022. "Russian Orthodox Church alleges gay pride parades were part 
> of the reason for Ukraine war   From CNNs Delia Gallagher in Rome... 
> Patriarch Kirill of Moscow, a long-time ally of Russian President Vladimir 
> Putin, said on Sunday that the conflict in Donbas is about "a fundamental 
> rejection of the so-called values that are offered today by those who claim 
> world power." The "test" of which side you are on, said Kirill, is whether 
> your country is willing to hold gay pride parades. "In order to enter the 
> club of those countries, it is necessary to hold a gay pride parade. Not to 
> make a political statement, 'we are with you,' not to sign any agreements, 
> but to hold a gay parade. And we know how people resist these demands and how 
> this resistance is suppressed by force," Kirill said during a sermon in 
> Moscow. " 
> 
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/world/europe/putin-proposes-constitutional-ban-on-gay-marriage.html
>   
> https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/putins-amendments-revere-god-ban-sex-marriages-
> Russia bans same sex marriages. Russian President Vladimir Putin has 
> submitted a slew of proposed amendments to the country's constitution that 
> include a mention of God and describe marriage as a heterosexual union.By 
> VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV Associated Press
> 
> To: Everything List 
> Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Don't Just Freeze Russia's Money. Seize It. "Come 
> in Telmo! America to Telmo!!" Monday, April 18, 2022 9:42 AM
> 
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Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

[Samiya Illias]

And the Book is placed, and thou seest the guilty fearful of that which is 
therein, and they say: What kind of a Book is this that leaveth not a small 
thing nor a great thing but hath counted it! And they find all that they did 
confronting them, and thy Lord wrongeth no-one 
[https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/18/49/default.htm] 


> On 10-Apr-2022, at 9:15 AM, Bruce Kellett  wrote:
> 
>> These IR photons have nothing whatsoever to do with observation.
> 
> But the have everything to do with the fact that the formation of records is 
> irreversible.

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Re: When Conservation of Energy FAILS! (Noether's Theorem)

[Samiya Illias]

And the heaven We constructed it with strength, and indeed, We (are) surely 
(its) Expanders. 
https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/51/47/default.htm 

> On 04-Apr-2022, at 12:18 AM, John Clark  wrote:
> 
> 
> When Conservation of Energy FAILS! (Noether's Theorem)
> 
> John K Clark
> 
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Prophecies in The Quran

[Samiya Illias]

Prophecies 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/p/prophecies.html 


> On 02-Apr-2022, at 10:26 PM, Brent Meeker  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 4/2/2022 12:17 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
>> You wish to risk your own species' upon horrible but imprecise actions of 
>> what even the best climatologists report? 
> 
> What horrible but imprecise actions do climatologists report?  Cite these 
> reported actions.
> 
>> Versus a an aggressor with the political will to destroy us with certainty?
> 
> What's your evidence for this?  If he has the will and the ability why hasn't 
> he done it?  Lack of will to take the reply, maybe?
> 
>> 
>> Now, that is ideological.
> 
> Really.  I've written a lot of risk assessments in my career and the rule is 
> always to multiply the loss times it's probability.
> 
>> I suspect that if Virginia went under 12 meters of sea water all of a 
>> sudden, the Ukraine would be a side story.
>> 
> 
> Precisely.  People have a  very short time horizon.
> 
> Brent
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Re: RNA World and the start of life on Earth

[Samiya Illias]

The Sustainer of the Worlds (رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ) 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/03/the-sustainer-of-worlds.html


> On 24-Mar-2022, at 10:05 AM, Samiya Illias  wrote:
> 
> 
> The Fig, The Olive, Tur of Sinai & The Secure Land 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/06/the-fig-olive-tur-of-sinai-secure-land.html
>  
> 
> 
> 
>>> On 24-Mar-2022, at 2:23 AM, John Clark  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 4:29 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:
>>>>> >>> I think that's looking at it the wrong way around.  First, it's just 
>>>>> >>> a sample of one planet.  But the statistic is how quickly life arose, 
>>>>> >>> out of the billions of years that it could have waited. 
>>>> 
>>>> >> But the one planet that you're sampling is one that happened to have 
>>>> >> produced intelligent life,
>>> > I don't think that's relevant to the inference from it produced life 
>>> > quickly to the conclusion that most wet planets will produce life. 
>> 
>> If a planet not only produced life but produced intelligent life then life 
>> had to have started very quickly, perhaps freakishly quickly, otherwise 
>> evolution wouldn't have had enough time to produce intelligence before its 
>> star left the main sequence, stopped burning hydrogen and started burning 
>> helium, and made any sort of life impossible.  But if the best a planet 
>> could do was produce bacteria it could afford to take its time in making the 
>> first living thing, if a planet is going to produce intelligent life it's 
>> going to have to hit the ground running. Perhaps the reason intelligence is 
>> so rare is because it's rare for life to start on a planet as soon as liquid 
>> water is possible.
>>  
>>>> >>  and I think it's virtually certain there are many more planets with 
>>>> >> unintelligent life than planets with intelligent life. The only 
>>>> >> question is just how big is "many''? Is it in the thousands or in the 
>>>> >> trillions? If we find out it's only in the thousands then that would be 
>>>> >> very disturbing because that would mean there must be something that 
>>>> >> destroys all civilizations when they get to about the technological 
>>>> >> level we're at right now.  
>>> 
>>> > No, the inference from Earth is that it takes a long time, is improbable, 
>>> > for intelligent life to happen.  So if we find only thousands have 
>>> > intelligent life it may just be because it getting started is improbable. 
>> 
>> If there is no booby trap that destroys all civilizations when they get to a 
>> certain technological level, and if there were other intelligent species in 
>> the galaxy, even one other, they would almost certainly be far far more 
>> advanced than we are because we only figured out how to make radio 
>> telescopes a century ago, and if they were that advanced then ET should be 
>> obvious to a blind man in a fog bank. But ET is not obvious at all, which 
>> makes me conclude ET does not exist. 
>> 
>> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
>> tee
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
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Re: RNA World and the start of life on Earth

[Samiya Illias]

The Fig, The Olive, Tur of Sinai & The Secure Land 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/06/the-fig-olive-tur-of-sinai-secure-land.html
 



> On 24-Mar-2022, at 2:23 AM, John Clark  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 4:29 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:
 >>> I think that's looking at it the wrong way around.  First, it's just a 
 >>> sample of one planet.  But the statistic is how quickly life arose, 
 >>> out of the billions of years that it could have waited. 
>>> 
>>> >> But the one planet that you're sampling is one that happened to have 
>>> >> produced intelligent life,
>> > I don't think that's relevant to the inference from it produced life 
>> > quickly to the conclusion that most wet planets will produce life. 
> 
> If a planet not only produced life but produced intelligent life then life 
> had to have started very quickly, perhaps freakishly quickly, otherwise 
> evolution wouldn't have had enough time to produce intelligence before its 
> star left the main sequence, stopped burning hydrogen and started burning 
> helium, and made any sort of life impossible.  But if the best a planet could 
> do was produce bacteria it could afford to take its time in making the first 
> living thing, if a planet is going to produce intelligent life it's going to 
> have to hit the ground running. Perhaps the reason intelligence is so rare is 
> because it's rare for life to start on a planet as soon as liquid water is 
> possible.
>  
>>> >>  and I think it's virtually certain there are many more planets with 
>>> >> unintelligent life than planets with intelligent life. The only question 
>>> >> is just how big is "many''? Is it in the thousands or in the trillions? 
>>> >> If we find out it's only in the thousands then that would be very 
>>> >> disturbing because that would mean there must be something that destroys 
>>> >> all civilizations when they get to about the technological level we're 
>>> >> at right now.  
>> 
>> > No, the inference from Earth is that it takes a long time, is improbable, 
>> > for intelligent life to happen.  So if we find only thousands have 
>> > intelligent life it may just be because it getting started is improbable. 
> 
> If there is no booby trap that destroys all civilizations when they get to a 
> certain technological level, and if there were other intelligent species in 
> the galaxy, even one other, they would almost certainly be far far more 
> advanced than we are because we only figured out how to make radio telescopes 
> a century ago, and if they were that advanced then ET should be obvious to a 
> blind man in a fog bank. But ET is not obvious at all, which makes me 
> conclude ET does not exist. 
> 
> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
> tee
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>> 
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Surah al-Isra / Bani Israel

[Samiya Illias]

Lessons learnt from the ayaat in this Surah: 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/p/surah-al-isra-bani-israel.html 

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Re: Woke Culture or "Un-awakened" Global Marxist Pagan Tyranny

[Samiya Illias]

The Serpent & The Third Eye 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2021/12/the-serpent-third-eye.html 

> On 22-Jan-2022, at 1:59 AM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> general_the...@googlegroups.com Everything List 
> 
> Subject: FW: "Un-awakened" Goobal Marxist Pagan Propaganda: America Under 
> Right Wing Dictatorship!
>  Opinion by Jim Hanson Newsweek  1-19-22. 
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/our-second-civil-war-opinion/
> “The woke Left was in a much stronger position, having taken control of the 
> permanent bureaucracy of government, the media and social media, all levels 
> of education and our popular culture. They had been very successfully waging 
> a long war of fundamental transformation since the days of the Cold War. When 
> Barack Obama was elected president, many thought he could be the great 
> uniter, but the opposite was true. Obama threw gasoline on the fire. He told 
> activist groups they truly were oppressed”   
> [Philip Benjamin]
> Definitions:
> AC = Awakened or Augustinian Consciousness   
> UC = Un-awakened or Un-Augustinian Consciousness
> WAMP = Western Acade-Media Pagan(ism), including Hollywood, the stealing 
> beneficiary of the Augustinian Trust. 
> https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/conversion-of-st-augustine
>This Newsweek opinion reflects total pagan ignorance of the history of 
> Augustinian Western Civilization in general and American Culture in 
> particular (for which Marxist pagan Joseph Stalin first coined the term 
> American Exceptionalism). American Constitutional Republic is a Non-Sovereign 
> Federation of coequal Sovereign States, a divided government of three coequal 
> branches which are designed to be dysfunctional. WAMP-the-Ingrate  with UC 
> cannot accept that as befitting their utopia of dictates and mandates.   
>   For science today the only candidate matter available for an 
> invisible but REAL intelligent physical body, is bio dark-matter with its 
> computational bio dark-matter chemistries (i.e. spin governed configurational 
> chemical bonds). The resonant light-matter (electric, entropic, decaying) and 
> dark matter (nonelectric, nonentropic, enduring) twins cocreated at the 
> moment of conception form the basis of “self-consciousness. Resonance is 
> rudimentary recognition. The bio dark-matter twin needs to be awakened by an 
> external POWER.
>  One is either a Conformist or a Non-conformist to global Marxist 
> paganism with UC.   
> Philip Benjamin
> Non-Conformist
>  general_the...@googlegroups.com Everything List 
> 
> Subject: FW: "Un-awakened" Goobal Marxist Pagan Propaganda: America Under 
> Right Wing Dictatorship!  
> [Philip Benjamin]
> Quotes below display  a “superfluity of Naughtiness”. They  apparently look 
> unrelated, one scientific and the other sociological speculation, but are 
> symptomatic of the present day malaise. Any rational discussion on “Origins” 
> demands a deliberation on “aseity”. What is more rational? Aseity of dead 
> matter producing life? Or aseity of LIFE producing both dead-matter and other 
> forms of life?  That involves critical thinking (now “banned” by 
> WAMP-the-Ingrate, in lieu of which is imposition of nonsensical Critical Race 
> Theory or CRT—"a superfluity of naughtiness”).
>  As for the sociological divide, it is an impossible chasm to be bridged. 
> It is not between Left & Right, or Conservative & Liberal, or Orthodoxy & 
> Progressivism; it is between Awakened (or Augustinian) consciousness (AC) & 
> Un-awakened (or Un-Augustinian) consciousness (UC)—or between darkness and 
> light! Only a Third “Great Awakening” (what pagan Marxist dictator Joseph 
> Stalin coined as American Exceptionalism) can link the gap.
>  If the great Augustine were alive today he might quote:  “Wherefore 
> lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with 
> meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.” — James 1:21
> Philip Benjamin
> Non-Conformist
>CC. Prof. Peter Coleman,  Columbia U
> https://evolutionnews.org/2022/01/another-attempt-by-an-esteemed-cosmologist-to-avoid-a-cosmic-beginning-collapses-on-inspection
> https://www.facebook.com/jack.sarfatti/posts/   
> Quoting from Dr. Brian Miller is Research Coordinator for the Center for 
> Science and Culture at Discovery Institute.
> 
> https://cpb.org/spotlight/StoryCorps-One-Small-Step-Pushes-Back-Polarization 
> “60 Minutes Story Shows How StoryCorps’ ‘One Small Step’ is Bridging 
> America’s Political Divide”
>   https://storycorps.org/the-way-out-of-toxic-polarization/ The Way Out 
> of Toxic Polarization  JULY 21, 2021.
>   Only a predominantly pagan/occultist military (officers and enlistees) 
> can make America a dictatorship of any kind (Marxist, Socialist, Fascist, 
> theocratic etc.). The Army, the bureaucrats, pulpits, pews, politicians, 
> educators and all professionals are increasingly 

The Sky

[Samiya Illias]

Learnings from The Quran: 

Guarding the Sky
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2014/08/guarding-sky.html 

Stones from the Sky
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/01/stones-from-sky.html 

The Serpent & The Snake: a clear sign 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/12/the-serpent-snake-clear-sign.html 




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Re: Dark-Matter Universe?

[Samiya Illias]

See if this is of any help: 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2021/08/adams-covenant-expulsion-overview.html
 


> On 29-Oct-2021, at 8:02 PM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> [Jesse Mazer]
> “ So when you say dark and light matter "interact with each other", are you 
> just saying that dark matter particles interact with one another in a way 
> that's analogous to how regular atoms interact? Or are you saying that dark 
> matter can interact with normal matter in a way that produces "reciprocal 
> motion", "resonance structures" etc.?”
> [Philip Benjamin]
> No, not particles per se, but “chemical bonds”—Light & Dark- can 
> interact. I have nor so far come across the impossibility of dark matter 
> interacting with ITSELF, though nothing yet to explain how it does!! For the 
> sake of argument, suppose the light-matter particles (Standard Model) do not 
> interact. Then ther will not be a light-matter universe of chemicals and life 
> forms. How can the “dark-universe” of the theorists be an exception? .
>   Astrophysics has the tools and mathematics to prove or disprove the 
> existence of dark matter partilcs or dark atoms. That is not the matter of 
> discussion here.
>  Philip Benjamin
> From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Jesse Mazer
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 12:31 PM
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Dark-Matter Universe?
>  
> "Dark and light chemical bonds have similar properties, interact with each 
> other, rotate, vibrate, oscillate, have reciprocal motion, stretch, contract, 
> have resonance structures, associate, dissociate, bend and break."
> As I understand it, the general framework of quantum field theory says that 
> the only* way particles can interact with each other is via exchange forces, 
> with the four known forces between baryons being the "strong" and "weak" 
> nuclear forces, the electromagnetic force, and gravitational force (though 
> the latter is not yet covered by quantum field theory, it would require a 
> theory of quantum gravity, perhaps a more complete version of string theory). 
> And there are some known types of particles like neutrinos where both theory 
> and empirical evidence indicate that they do not interact with the protons, 
> neutrons and electrons that make up our body via the strong or 
> electromagnetic forces, the only interaction they have with us is via gravity 
> or via the "weak" nuclear interaction (which accounts for why only a tiny 
> fraction of neutrinos have scattering interactions with any part of the Earth 
> as they pass through it, the vast majority pass right through millions of 
> miles of solid rock as if it were empty space). By far the most popular 
> theory of dark matter, which in cosmological computer simulations seems to 
> provide a good match to empirical observations, is that dark matter is made 
> up of "WIMPs" or weakly-interacting massive particles, which like neutrinos 
> would only interact with normal matter via gravity and the weak force. Lisa 
> Randall is postulating a new force that only operates between some subtype of 
> dark matter particles, but this theory doesn't challenge the theory that 
> interactions between dark matter and normal baryonic matter are exclusively 
> due to gravity and the weak force.
>  
> So when you say dark and light matter "interact with each other", are you 
> just saying that dark matter particles interact with one another in a way 
> that's analogous to how regular atoms interact? Or are you saying that dark 
> matter can interact with normal matter in a way that produces "reciprocal 
> motion", "resonance structures" etc.? And if the latter, are you imagining 
> the weak nuclear force would be sufficient for this, or are you assuming some 
> new undiscovered force mediating the interaction, or are you questioning the 
> whole quantum field theory framework saying that different particles can only 
> interact via specific exchange forces?
>  
> On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 11:21 AM Philip Benjamin  
> wrote:
> [Jesse Mazer] 
> “Lisa Randall's work doesn't say anything about dark matter interacting with 
> baryonic (normal) matter via the strong nuclear force or the electromagnetic 
> force (the former is responsible for binding the nucleus of atoms together, 
> the latter for electromagnetic radiation and chemical bonds), so the kind of 
> dark matter that she postulates could have nothing to do with biophotons or 
> the supposed "additional mass of life" that Philip Benjamin mentions.”
>   [Philip Benjamin]
> You are right. But here is the missing point. A school of fish is not a fish. 
> Chemical bonds are not chemicals. They are configurations of particles, 
> octets and duets. Universe is not just free particles running amuck!! 
> Particles have to combine into the makeup of a universe. A dark-universe 
> cannot be an exception. Interaction between dark-particles is a necessity for 
> a dark-universe. Biophotons 

The Town With Three Prophets

[Samiya Illias]

https://youtu.be/I_Y2LvZ0he4

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Re: Muslim prayers

[Samiya Illias]

Prayer & Remembrance of God
<https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/06/prayer-remembrance-of-god.html>


The Sustainer of the Worlds (رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ)
<https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/03/the-sustainer-of-worlds.html>


On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 6:16 PM Samiya Illias 
wrote:

> For Muslim prayer method and words, please see:
> https://www.icorlando.org/pdfs/How_to_perform_Salaah.pdf
>
> This might also be of interest:
>
> Authorised to Fly
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/12/authorised-to-fly.html
>
> Please note: I am not a scholar, just a Muslim who studies the scriptures.
>
> On 20-Aug-2021, at 3:51 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List <
> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
> my only points are:
> They the Taliban did dig caves in the mountains as impregnable forces. So
> Kaboom.
> The Pakistani ISI did as policy run weapons to the Taliban which are in
> Western Pakistan.
> The French, many who sided with Hitler after June 1940, wanted their
> empire to continue. Practically they had bled themselves empty during WW1.
> The Wall of China did work for centuries. So did Hadrian's Wall for 400
> years.
> You do know I was suggesting the placing of forces in West Pakistan and
> turn any arms shipments to frags, Kaboom again.
> Vietnam War? I am with you.
>
> I would have been out for revenge 20 years ago, never nation building. The
> Muslims want Paradise and nations ordered Sharia are the means to further
> this goal.
>
> Their values are to get past death, and playing foolish games with the
> Kufar (non-Muslims) are secondary, tertiary, quaternary. Your way is
> preservation, theirs's is through faith, for the Christians is Jesus. Mine
> is, something like this, mechanism wise
>
>
> https://turingchurch.net/the-infrared-memory-of-the-universe-hints-at-future-akashic-physics-3f9a072f0ca6
>
> https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/dyson-spheres
>
>
> https://medium.com/the-infinite-universe/quantum-scrambling-could-lead-to-resurrection-of-the-dead-e5cf3e668119
>
> Your way may work (cold preservation) mine is way out past the present and
> relies on human survival (post-human peeps) and a significant budget for
> the Dyson Sphere. Maybe the ancient Egyptians should be revived first? Sun
> worshippers, surely not the Aztecs!
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Clark 
> To: spudboy...@aol.com
> Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com ;
> goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com 
> Sent: Thu, Aug 19, 2021 4:21 pm
> Subject: Re: Afghanistan papers
>
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 2:42 PM  wrote:
>
> *> Ok, here goes in 2001, I would have simply been out for revenge in the
> sense of an extermination campaign.*
>
>
> I don't know about that but as much as I hate George W Bush for the Iraq
> war and his mythical "weapons of mass destruction" I can't really blame him
> for going into Afghanistan in 2001, I would've done the same thing and I
> think almost anybody would.
>
>
> *> I would have used thermobarics to*
>
>
> What's with you and thermobarics? Sometimes it can be a mildly useful
> weapon under very specific circumstances (no wind, confined space, low
> humidity) but it's certainly no world changer.
>
> *> the max for a full year to burn them and their supply chain from
> Pakistan,*
>
>
>  Supply chain? This isn't World War Two, we aren't talking about tanks,
> fighter planes and submarines; the Taliban already have five dollar AK
> 47s,  25 dollar RPGs, improvised explosive devices made with fertilizer and
> diesel oil, and plenty of domestically produced goat cheese, and that and
> their silly religion is all they need.
>
>
> *> I would have had bases facing Pakistan and the ISI for immediate
> annihilation.*
>
>
> Immediate annihilation of who? It's been shown historically that fixed
> military bases do not work, General Patton said “*Fixed fortifications
> are monuments to man's stupidity*". The Great wall of China was a
> wonderful architectural achievement but a failure militarily, so was
> Hadrian's Wall for the Romans, so was Dien Bien Phu and the Maginot line
> for the French, and Khe Sanh for the Americans in 1968.
>
>
> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
> <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>
>
> tf9
>
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Muslim prayers

[Samiya Illias]

For Muslim prayer method and words, please see: 
https://www.icorlando.org/pdfs/How_to_perform_Salaah.pdf 

This might also be of interest: 

Authorised to Fly 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/12/authorised-to-fly.html 

Please note: I am not a scholar, just a Muslim who studies the scriptures. 

> On 20-Aug-2021, at 3:51 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> my only points are:
> They the Taliban did dig caves in the mountains as impregnable forces. So 
> Kaboom.
> The Pakistani ISI did as policy run weapons to the Taliban which are in 
> Western Pakistan. 
> The French, many who sided with Hitler after June 1940, wanted their empire 
> to continue. Practically they had bled themselves empty during WW1. 
> The Wall of China did work for centuries. So did Hadrian's Wall for 400 
> years. 
> You do know I was suggesting the placing of forces in West Pakistan and turn 
> any arms shipments to frags, Kaboom again. 
> Vietnam War? I am with you. 
> 
> I would have been out for revenge 20 years ago, never nation building. The 
> Muslims want Paradise and nations ordered Sharia are the means to further 
> this goal. 
> 
> Their values are to get past death, and playing foolish games with the Kufar 
> (non-Muslims) are secondary, tertiary, quaternary. Your way is preservation, 
> theirs's is through faith, for the Christians is Jesus. Mine is, something 
> like this, mechanism wise
>  
> https://turingchurch.net/the-infrared-memory-of-the-universe-hints-at-future-akashic-physics-3f9a072f0ca6
> 
> https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/dyson-spheres
> 
> https://medium.com/the-infinite-universe/quantum-scrambling-could-lead-to-resurrection-of-the-dead-e5cf3e668119
> 
> Your way may work (cold preservation) mine is way out past the present and 
> relies on human survival (post-human peeps) and a significant budget for the 
> Dyson Sphere. Maybe the ancient Egyptians should be revived first? Sun 
> worshippers, surely not the Aztecs! 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: John Clark 
> To: spudboy...@aol.com
> Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com ; 
> goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com 
> Sent: Thu, Aug 19, 2021 4:21 pm
> Subject: Re: Afghanistan papers
> 
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 2:42 PM  wrote:
> 
> > Ok, here goes in 2001, I would have simply been out for revenge in the 
> > sense of an extermination campaign.
> 
> I don't know about that but as much as I hate George W Bush for the Iraq war 
> and his mythical "weapons of mass destruction" I can't really blame him for 
> going into Afghanistan in 2001, I would've done the same thing and I think 
> almost anybody would.  
>  
> > I would have used thermobarics to
> 
> What's with you and thermobarics? Sometimes it can be a mildly useful weapon 
> under very specific circumstances (no wind, confined space, low humidity) but 
> it's certainly no world changer.
> 
> > the max for a full year to burn them and their supply chain from Pakistan,
> 
>  Supply chain? This isn't World War Two, we aren't talking about tanks, 
> fighter planes and submarines; the Taliban already have five dollar AK 47s,  
> 25 dollar RPGs, improvised explosive devices made with fertilizer and diesel 
> oil, and plenty of domestically produced goat cheese, and that and their 
> silly religion is all they need.  
>  
> > I would have had bases facing Pakistan and the ISI for immediate 
> > annihilation.
> 
> Immediate annihilation of who? It's been shown historically that fixed 
> military bases do not work, General Patton said “Fixed fortifications are 
> monuments to man's stupidity". The Great wall of China was a wonderful 
> architectural achievement but a failure militarily, so was Hadrian's Wall for 
> the Romans, so was Dien Bien Phu and the Maginot line for the French, and Khe 
> Sanh for the Americans in 1968.
> 
> 
> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
>  
> tf9
> 
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Re: Europeans are smarter than Americans?

[Samiya Illias]

The Torah & The Quran 

فَلَمَّا جَاءَهُمُ الْحَقُّ مِنْ عِندِنَا قَالُوا لَوْلَا أُوتِيَ مِثْلَ مَا 
أُوتِيَ مُوسَىٰ أَوَلَمْ يَكْفُرُوا بِمَا أُوتِيَ مُوسَىٰ مِن قَبْلُ قَالُوا 
سِحْرَانِ تَظَاهَرَا وَقَالُوا إِنَّا بِكُلٍّ كَافِرُونَ

قُلْ فَأْتُوا بِكِتَابٍ مِّنْ عِندِ اللَّهِ هُوَ أَهْدَىٰ مِنْهُمَا أَتَّبِعْهُ 
إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ


But when The Truth drew near them from Us they said: Why was he not given the 
like of what was given to Moses? They are ones who are ungrateful for what was 
given to Moses before. They said: Two kinds of sorcery, each helped one against 
the other. And they said: Truly, we disbelieve in all of it.
Say: Then, bring a Book from God that is better guided than these two that I 
follow it, if you had been ones who are sincere.
[Al-Quran 28:48-49, Translation: Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar]

Please read: 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2019/09/the-torah-quran.html 

https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2021/05/seventy-men-torah-in-seventy-languages.html
 


> On 04-Aug-2021, at 2:36 AM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> WAMP-the-Ingrate do not want to know that American Constitution is not a 
> product of Yoga, TM, Talmud, Kabbala, Koran, witchcraft, Jungian sorceries, 
> occultism, Scientism, CopenPagan Misinterpretation, Marxist-socialist-fascist 
> anarchist tyrannies etc.

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Different Physical Laws in Each Universe

[Samiya Illias]

فَقَضَاهُنَّ سَبْعَ سَمَاوَاتٍ فِي يَوْمَيْنِ وَأَوْحَىٰ فِي كُلِّ سَمَاءٍ
أَمْرَهَا ۚ وَزَيَّنَّا السَّمَاءَ الدُّنْيَا بِمَصَابِيحَ وَحِفْظًا ۚ
ذَ‌ٰلِكَ تَقْدِيرُ الْعَزِيزِ الْعَلِيمِ

[Al-Qur’an Chapter 41:12, Translator: Sahih International] And He completed
them as seven heavens within two days and inspired in each heaven its
command. And We adorned the nearest heaven with lamps and as protection.
That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.

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Re: Was, Re: The theology of number, (Now) The Universe Learns (not released on April 1st)

[Samiya Illias]

*The Torah & The Quran *

فَلَمَّا جَاءَهُمُ الْحَقُّ مِنْ عِندِنَا قَالُوا لَوْلَا أُوتِيَ مِثْلَ
مَا أُوتِيَ مُوسَىٰ أَوَلَمْ يَكْفُرُوا بِمَا أُوتِيَ مُوسَىٰ مِن قَبْلُ
قَالُوا سِحْرَانِ تَظَاهَرَا وَقَالُوا إِنَّا بِكُلٍّ كَافِرُونَ

*قُلْ فَأْتُوا بِكِتَابٍ مِّنْ عِندِ اللَّهِ هُوَ أَهْدَىٰ مِنْهُمَا
أَتَّبِعْهُ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ*


But when The Truth drew near them from Us they said: Why was he not given
the like of what was given to Moses? They are ones who are ungrateful for
what was given to Moses before. They said: Two kinds of sorcery, each
helped one against the other. And they said: Truly, we disbelieve in all of
it.
*Say: Then, bring a Book from God that is better guided than these two that
I follow it, if you had been ones who are sincere.*
[Al-Quran 28:48 -49
, Translation: Dr. Laleh
Bakhtiar]

God, The Most Merciful, has created this world to give us an opportunity to
learn, believe and do right! Its moving towards it climax, generating all
the evidence for and against each person, individually, and as a
collective. God alone knows how much time is left. The ancient ruins all
bear evidence that they were also given time, technology and power, and yet
they chose to ignore the guidance and the warnings.

Among the most recent were the ancient Egyptians
, and
thereafter, the Bani Israel and their masjid in Jerusalem

was destroyed twice.

There is great purpose in all that God does. He did not create this world
without purpose, nor are we here without purpose. To inherit the precious
gardens of eternity, we have to become sincere in our worship of God, The
True King, as law-abiding people, willingly following, and humbly willing
to implement His Laws in His Land whenever He grants us the kingdom to rule
over.

God alone knows how much time is left for each one of us, and for the world
stage. The signs are beginning to manifest
.
We still can choose to focus on studying, learning, and reforming
ourselves. All the evidence is there for those who believe; as for those
who do not believe, we can only pray that God chooses to guide them. The
Quran is very clear that God does not guide the defiantly disobedient
people. He invites us to meet the requirements of the gardens of eternity,
but in no way does He compel us to choose against our will.

May God show us Mercy, accept us in His gardens, and save us from the
penalty of hell-fire.



On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 7:14 AM spudboy100 via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Well, I haven't had the time to really pursue this odd question, does the
> universe learn? I am kind of charmed by it, and sort of hope that it is
> true. For the scientists involved it answers a cosmological question, and
> that's all to human benefit. If this function is true, and there is a
> possibility to test it somehow, then this is science, not religion or
> religious psychology. If it is true, it is no more humans in search of an
> authority figure, then it is to state leptons are lighter in mass than
> leptons. If one finds that this is a feature of the cosmos, and one finds
> it disagreeable, then so be it. As of now it's simply a hypothesis. By the
> way, religion and ideology are the same things.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Lawrence Crowell 
> To: Everything List 
> Sent: Tue, Jun 15, 2021 11:28 am
> Subject: Re: Was, Re: The theology of number, (Now) The Universe Learns
> (not released on April 1st)
>
> I would much prefer to live with questions that have not been answered
> than to live with answers that cannot be questioned.
>
> Spudboy and the medinuclear guy Ben would have things so that truth comes
> from authority. This is the psychology of religion. This is a paradox of
> sorts, for it God has truth because he conforms to it, this means he is not
> totally free and all powerful. If God defined or created truth then truth
> is not something valid in of itself. Religion sets up the psychology that
> truth does emerge from authority and power, and we should not be surprised
> to see that so many religious people favor authoritarian personalities in
> power.
>
> LC
>
> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 6:21:54 AM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 6:50 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <
> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> * > Religion acted as a psychological survival kit,*
>
>
> As in human sacrifice and war? Romans tortured Christians because they
> wouldn't worship their Gods, and when Christians gained power Christians
> tortured non-Christians because they wouldn't worship their God. In England
> Catholics tortured Protestants, and when Protestants took power protestants
> 

Guarding the Womb

[Samiya Illias]

Guarding the Womb 
No change should there be in the creation of Allah [Quran 30:30] 
Mission of the Messengers - XI


Abstract 
The Womb plays a central role in creation. Allah shapes us in the wombs however 
He wills. Satan hopes to destroy humans. One of his tactics is to command us to 
change creation. We have been duly warned to not to change the creation of 
Allah. Believers have also been warned to guard the womb. 



Full Text 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2016/12/the-womb.html 

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Return of The God Hypothesis

[Samiya Illias]

Stephen Meyer on Intelligent Design and The Return of the God Hypothesis 
https://youtu.be/z_8PPO-cAlA 

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Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

[Samiya Illias]

> On 19-Feb-2021, at 12:05 PM, Samiya Illias  wrote:
> 
> 
> Holy Quran 17:110
> --
> قُلِ ادْعُوا اللَّهَ أَوِ ادْعُوا الرَّحْمَٰنَ ۖ أَيًّا مَّا تَدْعُوا فَلَهُ 
> الْأَسْمَاءُ الْحُسْنَىٰ ۚ وَلَا تَجْهَرْ بِصَلَاتِكَ وَلَا تُخَافِتْ بِهَا 
> وَابْتَغِ بَيْنَ ذَٰلِكَ سَبِيلًا
> 
> Say, "Call upon Allah or call upon the Most Merciful. Whichever [name] you 
> call - to Him belong the best names." And do not recite [too] loudly in your 
> prayer or [too] quietly but seek between that an [intermediate] way. 

Holy Quran 17:111
--
وَقُلِ الْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ الَّذِي لَمْ يَتَّخِذْ وَلَدًا وَلَمْ يَكُن لَّهُ 
شَرِيكٌ فِي الْمُلْكِ وَلَمْ يَكُن لَّهُ وَلِيٌّ مِّنَ الذُّلِّ ۖ وَكَبِّرْهُ 
تَكْبِيرًا

And say, "Praise to Allah, who has not taken a son and has had no partner in 
[His] dominion and has no [need of a] protector out of weakness; and glorify 
Him with [great] glorification."

> ——
> These might also be of interest: 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/12/no-ilah-but-allah.html 
> 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/12/the-serpent-snake-clear-sign.html
>  
> 
> 
>>> On 19-Feb-2021, at 10:59 AM, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> But which one and only God?

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Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

[Samiya Illias]

Holy Quran 17:110
--
قُلِ ادْعُوا اللَّهَ أَوِ ادْعُوا الرَّحْمَٰنَ ۖ أَيًّا مَّا تَدْعُوا فَلَهُ 
الْأَسْمَاءُ الْحُسْنَىٰ ۚ وَلَا تَجْهَرْ بِصَلَاتِكَ وَلَا تُخَافِتْ بِهَا 
وَابْتَغِ بَيْنَ ذَٰلِكَ سَبِيلًا

Say, "Call upon Allah or call upon the Most Merciful. Whichever [name] you call 
- to Him belong the best names." And do not recite [too] loudly in your prayer 
or [too] quietly but seek between that an [intermediate] way. 
——
These might also be of interest: 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/12/no-ilah-but-allah.html 

https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/12/the-serpent-snake-clear-sign.html 


> On 19-Feb-2021, at 10:59 AM, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
>  wrote:
> 
> But which one and only God?

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Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

[Samiya Illias]

God is One and Only! 

> On 18-Feb-2021, at 8:50 PM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
>  “Not He begets and not He is begotten” of the Koran 112 may be 
> applicable to Adonai (plural) but not the prophetic Incarnation of YHWH 
> (singular) in the form of the Messiah at Bethlehem. Here, Infinity1 + 
> Infinity2 + Infinity3 = 1 Infinity. A unitary deity is a solitary, 
> solipsistic being with no communication with anybody other than oneself 
> possible.
> 

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Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

[Samiya Illias]

Salam alaikum 
These might be of interest: 

https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/06/draft-all-about-nafs.html 

https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2017/05/human-body-or-soul.html 

> 
> 
> So, I think we are saying the same thing here. Therefore the issue is, why do 
> we seem to be disagreeing with one another. I think I can begin to perceive 
> an answer when you say.
> 
>  
> 
> What is more rational? Dead matter having aseity or LIFE having aseity. Dead 
> matter cannot produce life. LIFE can produce dead matter and life.
> 
>  
> 
> If you substitute consciousness for the word LIFE…
> 
>  
> 
> (What is more rational? Dead matter having aseity or Consciousness having 
> aseity. Dead matter cannot produce Consciousness. Consciousness can produce 
> dead matter and life.)
> 
>  
> 
> Then this more or less equates with my view.
> 
>  
> 
> Some of the key points: Consciousness having aseity [being sufficient unto 
> its self?] given that I am seeking an explanation for what consciousness is I 
> have to consider if that is possible for my consciousness. Several 
> perspectives arise; if I have an immortal soul, perhaps but I cannot tell 
> this until I die. Hmmm… If you are saying that consciousness has asiety then 
> I think I can agree with that.
> 
>  
> 
> How can Impersonal Consciousness produce personal beings? A Personal Aseitous 
> Being is a necessary Reality.
> 
>  

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Re: A Lamentation on Thanksgiving 2020

[Samiya Illias]

DRAFT: Nafs 
Purpose
This purpose of this study is to try understand what the nafs is, and where it 
lies in the human body. 
The Quran repeatedly mentions the nafs. Sins are committing injustices against 
the nafs, and we are warned against making changes in the nafs. Our nafs is 
removable from our body. It is in pledge. The Quran warns of the destruction of 
the nafs in the Hereafter, and it is described as the most depriving 
dispossession, the extreme loss! 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/06/draft-all-about-nafs.html 

> On 01-Dec-2020, at 8:41 PM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> consciousness-onl...@yahoogroups.com general_the...@googlegroups.com Subject: 
> RE: [consciousness-online] FW: FW: A Lamentation on Thanksgiving 2020  
> [Bruno Marchal]
> 
> “Here I’am afraid that you [LC] are a little bit “scientistic”. The serious 
> scientist will rarely emit an opinion in a science in which he has no 
> expertise, and still less in a science which is still taboo today, and this 
> since about 1500 years”.
> 
> [Philip Benjamin]
> 
> Bio Dark-Matter Chemistry is indeed taboo today. Because, it iplies the 
> possibility of “light” and “dark” twin bodies co-created at the moment of 
> conception. That almost sounds like existence of “spirit’ or “soul”. However, 
> in all ancient languages, Sanskrit, Hebrew, Latin, Greek and even in English, 
> these terms have their etymological roots in “breeze” and “breath”. The 
> ancients observed that when the last breath was gone, the body was dead, So, 
> they figured out that something invisibly “wind-like” is the life- principle. 
> Had they known about dark-matter and its possible chemistries they could have 
> attributed the “soul or spirit” to the “dark twin”.   
> 
>  Electrons have no morality. Nor does any other fundamental particle or 
> configurations thereof.  Killing babies (Latin fetuses) in the wombs is very 
> moral for some and immoral for others. The real question here is where in the 
> world is the origin or cause of this sense of morality or sense of any other 
> quale. Its locus in the brain is meaninglessly and preposterously begging the 
> question. Who or what put it in that locus? One cannot isolate these ontic 
> problems from ultimate philosophical issues of aseity and causality. There 
> can be no moral laws without an intrinsic sense of morality. Laws of innately 
> inherent morality demand an ultimate Law Giver. Deep-thinking Philosophers 
> such as Augustine (3 rd- 4 th Centuries) and thoughtful empiricists such as 
> astronomer Galileo Galilei (1564-1642), Puritan scientists such as Michael 
> Faraday (https://www.famousscientists.org/michael-faraday/, 1791 – 1867), 
> with transformed consciousnesses shaped Western Civilization by accepting the 
> aseity of Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural), consistent 
> with the revelatory knowledge of the Patriarchs, Prophets and the Apostles. 
> Those are historical facts which WAMP-the-Ingrate cannot and will not 
> recognize. Rather these stealing-beneficiaries of Augustinian Civilization 
> are rewriting history for self-serving, hideous and hedonistic purposes.
> 
> Presuppositional Evidentialist
> 
> Philip Benjamin
> 
>  
>  
> From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Bruno Marchal
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 10:05 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com 
>  Subject: Re: A Lamentation on Thanksgiving 2020
>  
> On 26 Nov 2020, at 01:23, Lawrence Crowell  
> wrote:
>  
> Dumb white trash America has spoken!
>  
> I am going to say right off I have no strong cultural connection to 
> Protestantism. My religious background is Catholicism and Judaism, and I 
> chose the latter because it made at least a bit more sense. It was also fun 
> to go to Hebrew school. while CCD or Catechism was rather dull. So given my 
> choice I took the bar mitzvah, and while Judaism might be said to maximize 
> regret that is a decision I did not regret. 
>  
>  
> Judaïsm, Christianism and Islam have been exploring the two deeply different 
> conception of Reality, i.e. the Aristotelian conception (with a primary 
> physical reality or “Universe”) and the Platonic one (where the physical 
> reality is a part, or even just an aspect, of a simpler conceptual Reality, 
> usually named God or the One, but the first one was the Natural Numbers 
> (Pythagorus).
> Maïmonides has helped the jews to not fall in the common theological trap (to 
> claim truth and name the unnameable, and mix state and religion…), which does 
> not mean that they have been ontologically correct, and Maimonides is still 
> influenced by Aristotle. The christian falls in the trap basically in 529, 
> when pagan, non confessional, theology was forbidden, and the theologian were 
> exiled or persecuted, and when religion will be appropriate by the “politics” 
> (tyrannical at that time).
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
>  
> With respect to puritans, the colonization of the Americas was filled with 

Re: A Lamentation on Thanksgiving 2020

[Samiya Illias]

The Case against the Bani Israel
Abstract 
The Quran on the Bani Israel, the chosen people, and their responsibility 
regarding The Torah, as per the covenant they ratified with God, and the 
consequences.   

Full Text 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2019/02/the-case-against-bani-israel.html 


> On 28-Nov-2020, at 8:37 PM, Lawrence Crowell 
>  wrote:
> 
> After all if Ha Shem lead his children out of Egypt with an outstretched arm 
> and cast Pharaoh's chariots into the sea, where in the hell was He from 1933 
> to 1945? The point of the religion is almost reduced to why the fiddler stays 
> on the roof ---

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Re: The Observer & The Existence of Reality

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If the All-Mighty God accepts me in The Kingdom of The Hereafter, I trust He 
will explain to us our roles, responsibilities, perks and privileges. 
He didn’t create this world without purpose, I’m sure there is a greater 
purpose to our eternal life! 

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> On 23-Apr-2020, at 6:05 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> So, if you have pleased, the All-Mighty, and are ushered in to Janah, and you 
> are given permission, what would you do for your first year there?

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The Observer & The Existence of Reality

[Samiya Illias]

The Observer & The Existence of Reality 
A Religious Perspective 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/04/the-observer-existence-of-reality.html
 

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