The present title is better: *H U M A N consciousness. * I buy THAT as
being conscious. Of what? first of myself. Then:
the world around ME. Then the development of HUMAN thinking over the past
millennia, including good old D. Hume, who -
IMO - was a wise person, but I feel since his time
On 10 Dec 2013, at 20:40, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
This is exactly what UDA shows that comp *leads* to a reduction of
the mind body problem into a body problem in arithmetic.
I don't know what comp
False. You know what
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
But that's the beauty of consciousness theories, we can detect
consciousness only in ourselves so there are no observed features that a
consciousness theory must explain,
Actually there are some observed features. A sharp blow to
Brent: *W h a t* consciousness? would you please describe your take
(observing the caveat of Liz)?
Whatever I could deduce from different peoples' (authors') mumblings (the
contents?) boiled down in my 'generealization' to *RESPONSE TO RELATIONS *-
no animal (human?) connotation, thinking, or
On 11 December 2013 17:34, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/10/2013 7:42 PM, LizR wrote:
On 11 December 2013 10:24, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/10/2013 11:54 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 7:33 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
One needs a
On 12/11/2013 12:56 PM, LizR wrote:
On 11 December 2013 17:34, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
On 12/10/2013 7:42 PM, LizR wrote:
On 11 December 2013 10:24, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/10/2013
On 12/11/2013 9:26 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
But that's the beauty of consciousness theories, we can detect
consciousness
only in ourselves so there are no observed features that a
On 12 December 2013 11:20, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/11/2013 12:56 PM, LizR wrote:
Not exactly. Consciousness has been *defined* as a bundle of sensory
impressions - I think this was originally David Hume - but it has also
been defined as something else, which I guess would
On 09 Dec 2013, at 20:06, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/9/2013 1:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Dec 2013, at 01:33, LizR wrote:
On 9 December 2013 05:52, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 4:38 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Could you name a materialistic theory
Bruno: All this does not define the natural numbers in the sense of a
logical categorical definition. Why we understand them is a mystery, but we
can meta-explained why that mystery is unsolvable. We don't need an
infinity axiom in the ontology (indeed the axioms of the TOE is RA: no
infinity
On 10 Dec 2013, at 13:38, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Bruno: All this does not define the natural numbers in the sense of
a logical categorical definition. Why we understand them is a
mystery, but we can meta-explained why that mystery is unsolvable.
We don't need an infinity axiom in the
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
This is exactly what UDA shows that comp *leads* to a reduction of the
mind body problem into a body problem in arithmetic.
I don't know what comp is or what relevance the Universal Dance
Association has to all this but
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 7:33 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
One needs a rigorous definition of what consciousness is, to start with,
Examples are usually preferable to definitions.
and then a theory that explains all its observed features, and makes
testable predictions.
But that's the
On 12/10/2013 11:54 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 7:33 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com
mailto:lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
One needs a rigorous definition of what consciousness is, to start with,
Examples are usually preferable to definitions.
and then a theory that
On 11 December 2013 10:24, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/10/2013 11:54 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 7:33 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
One needs a rigorous definition of what consciousness is, to start
with,
Examples are usually preferable to
On 12/10/2013 7:42 PM, LizR wrote:
On 11 December 2013 10:24, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
On 12/10/2013 11:54 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 7:33 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com
mailto:lizj...@gmail.com
wrote:
One needs a
On 9 December 2013 20:54, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/8/2013 4:33 PM, LizR wrote:
On 9 December 2013 05:52, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 4:38 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Could you name a materialistic theory that explains
On 09 Dec 2013, at 01:33, LizR wrote:
On 9 December 2013 05:52, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 4:38 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Could you name a materialistic theory that explains consciousness
Consciousness is the feeling information has when it is
On 12/9/2013 1:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Dec 2013, at 01:33, LizR wrote:
On 9 December 2013 05:52, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com
mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 4:38 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com
mailto:lizj...@gmail.com
wrote:
Could you
On 07 Dec 2013, at 19:26, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net
wrote:
Materialistic theories of consciousness can only describe
experience, not deal with experience itself.
Consciousness theories are a dime a dozen and materialistic
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 4:38 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Could you name a materialistic theory that explains consciousness
Consciousness is the feeling information has when it is being processed; if
conscious is fundamental, that is to say it comes at the end of a long line
of what is
On 08 Dec 2013, at 17:52, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 4:38 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Could you name a materialistic theory that explains consciousness
Consciousness is the feeling information has when it is being
processed; if conscious is fundamental, that is to say
On 9 December 2013 05:52, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 4:38 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Could you name a materialistic theory that explains consciousness
Consciousness is the feeling information has when it is being processed;
if conscious is
On 12/8/2013 4:33 PM, LizR wrote:
On 9 December 2013 05:52, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com
mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 4:38 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com
mailto:lizj...@gmail.com
wrote:
Could you name a materialistic theory that explains
A definition of human consciousness
Human consciousness is experience by the first person singular.
Materialistic theories of consciousness can only describe experience,
not deal with experience itself. Actual experience is only available in
philosophical
Idealism (Kant, Plato, Leibniz
On 8 December 2013 07:26, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Materialistic theories of consciousness can only describe experience,
not deal with experience itself.
Consciousness theories are a dime a dozen and
Liz wrote Dec. 7:
*Could you name a materialistic theory that explains consciousness (or a
theorist who does so) ? I've not come across any who do much of a job
(Dennett for example tries to explain that consciousness doesn't exist,
which doesn't quite cut it for me).*
I don't go for past 'big
On 8 December 2013 11:50, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote:
I (a confessd agnostic) don't have all the answers, but have lots of
questions.
Pleased to meet you, perhaps us confessed agnostics with lots of questions
should form a club or something.
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