Hi John Clark
IMHO Since it is inextended, intelligence (needed for design or
change or life, etc.) is omnipresent in the universe to various degrees
It always has been, is now, and ever shall be.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/3/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to
Hi meekerdb
The world is contingent and therefore not perfect.
I don't see the problem.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/3/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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Hi meekerdb
IMHO nature contains life and life is intelligence.
There may be random forces, and no dojubt
natural selection plays a role, but I can't help
but keep thinking that the intelligence of nature
is a big part of guiding evolution. If life is
intelligent, one can hardly avoid the phnome
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From: Craig Weinberg
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Time: 2012-08-31, 08:43:41
Subject: Re: Re: No Chinese Room Necessary
On Friday, August 31, 2012 5:57:54 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
Progressivism is another word for Utopianism.
Their utopias sound good but as of yet have nev
On Friday, August 31, 2012 5:57:54 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
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> Progressivism is another word for Utopianism.
> Their utopias sound good but as of yet have never worked,
> or worked for long.
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Has Regressivism and Dystopianism fared much better?
Craig
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Progressivism is another word for Utopianism.
Their utopias sound good but as of yet have never worked,
or worked for long.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
8/31/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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29/2012
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Time: 2012-08-29, 11:19:59
Subject: Re: Re: Re: No Chinese Room Necessary
I sa
On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 11:45:16 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
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> Please excuse the word, but comp can only create zombies,
> which seem to be alive but are not actually so.
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Exactly. I don't call them zombies though, because zombie implies a
negative affirmation of life. They are p
Hi meekerdb
By "words" I include "computer code." My position is that
nothing implemented or carried out in computer code can
be conscious, since consciousness is subjective, meaning personal,
unexpressed in code or words.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
8/29/2012
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Time: 2012-08-29, 12:02:39
Subject: Re: Re: Re: No Chinese Room Necessary
You said that you perceive. Now you mean that you reflect on yourself. And I
must believe so.
It is theoretica
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> *From:* Alberto G. Corona
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> *Time:* 2012-08-29, 11:26:29
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> It appears that subjectivity, has everithing to do with morality. This
> is not only evident for any religious person, but
Hi Alberto G. Corona
I have no problem with that. But the act of perceiving itself is personal and
amoral.
I see what I see.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
8/29/2012
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Time: 2012-08-29, 11:41:42
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sorry:
What i said is that it is THEORETICALLY POSSIBL to create a robot with the same
functionality, and subject to the same statement of faith from my side.
2012/8/29 Alberto G. Corona
That you perceive is acc
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Time: 2012-08-29, 11:40:43
Subject: Re: Re: No Chinese Room Necessary
That you perceive is accesible to us by your words. You say that you perceive.
W
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It appears that subjectivity, has everithing to do with morality. Thi
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Time: 2012-08-29, 11:19:59
Subject: Re: Re: Re: No Chinese Room Necessary
I say nothing opposed to that. What I say is that it's functionality is
computable: It is possible to make a robot with this functionality of
aware
sorry:
What i said is that it is THEORETICALLY POSSIBL to create a robot with the
same functionality, and subject to the same statement of faith from my
side.
2012/8/29 Alberto G. Corona
> That you perceive is accesible to us by your words. You say that you
> perceive. With these worlds you tr
That you perceive is accesible to us by your words. You say that you
perceive. With these worlds you transmit to us this information "craig says
that he perceive"..
>From my side, The belief tat you REALLY perceive is a matter of faith
What i said is that it is THEORETICALLY create a robot with t
Hi Alberto G. Corona
The subject is the perceiver, not that which is perceived.
For example, consider:
"I see the cat."Here:
I is the perceiving subject, cat is the object perceived.
When the subject experiences seeing the cat, the experience is personal, as are
all subjective
states an
It appears that subjectivity, has everithing to do with morality. This is
not only evident for any religious person, but also for mathematics and
game theory.
It appears that without moral individuality, social collaboration is
impossible, except for clones. I exposed the reasoning here.
2012/8
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> *Time:* 2012-08-29, 09:34:22
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> Roger,
> I said that the awareness functionalty can be computable, that is that a
> inner computat
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> Roger,
> I said that the awareness functionalty can be computable, that is that a
on."
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Subject: Re: Re: No Chinese Room Necessary
Roger,
I said that the awareness functionalty can be computable, that is that a inner
computation can affect an exte
Hi Alberto G. Corona
Subjectivity has nothing to do with morality or evolution, it is simply the
private of personal state of a perceiver (of some object), ie it is experience.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
8/29/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so every
Hi Alberto G. Corona
The subject is the perceiver, not the perceived.
The perceived is called the object,
cs = subject + object
This is a dipole.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
8/29/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything
could function."
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Roger,
I said that the awareness functionalty can be computable, that is that a
inner computation can affect an external computation which is aware of the
consequences of this inner computation.
like in the case of any relation of brain and mind, I do not say that
this IS the experience of awar
Hi Alberto G. Corona
What sort of an output would the computer give me ?
It can't be experiential, 0or if it is, I know of no
way to hook it to my brain.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
8/29/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything
could function."
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