Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/20/2012 12:41 PM, Roger Clough wrote: If the occupiers simply suffer from anomie, why do they go to the trouble of camping out on the street ? It's uncomfortable and boring. Dear Roger, They are post-modernFlagellants , they believe that thei

Re: Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-20 Thread Roger Clough
- Receiving the following content - From: Quentin Anciaux Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-19, 14:16:39 Subject: Re: promoting REASON 2012/12/19 Stephen P. King On 12/19/2012 1:46 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/19/2012 6:58 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg ? Conservative

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Dec 2012, at 23:07, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/19/2012 3:55 PM, meekerdb wrote: That's because the federal government was the instrument of freeing the slaves, over turning Jim Crow, giving women the vote and equal rights. No corporation ever supported personal or civil rights -

Re: Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-20 Thread Roger Clough
: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-19, 15:29:00 Subject: Re: promoting REASON On 12/19/2012 9:53 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg OK, govts can finally fail, when the people find that they can legislate their own welfare. Or when the people realize that their governmen

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/19/2012 6:47 PM, meekerdb wrote: The people don't have to be armed to overthrow their government. It depends on the culture; but revolutions were successful in the USSR, Poland, India, and South Africa even though the people were not armed. Violent revolutions very often lead to autocra

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/19/2012 5:01 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: So, basically, we are just screwed. OK! ;-) At least the super-rich will have higher numbers in their bank accounts. That will make the loss of civilization for the other 6. billion people all worthwhile ;) So, who is handing out pit

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread meekerdb
On 12/19/2012 1:38 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/19/2012 3:29 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/19/2012 9:53 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg OK, govts can finally fail, when the people find that they can legislate their own welfare. Or when the people realize that their government has ju

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:13:20 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 12/19/2012 2:01 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > But it isn't just money-under-the-table and campaign funding that >> corrupts; it is also a huge think-tank industry and media empire that >> supports politicians who vote to a

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread meekerdb
On 12/19/2012 2:01 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: But it isn't just money-under-the-table and campaign funding that corrupts; it is also a huge think-tank industry and media empire that supports politicians who vote to allow mergers and tax breaks and special regulations that, down the

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:15:28 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > On 12/19/2012 4:34 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:30:17 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: >> >> On 12/19/2012 2:43 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> > All markets become first-come

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/19/2012 4:34 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:30:17 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/19/2012 2:43 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > All markets become first-come first-serve pyramid schemes by definition. And this means? What is the im

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/19/2012 3:55 PM, meekerdb wrote: That's because the federal government was the instrument of freeing the slaves, over turning Jim Crow, giving women the vote and equal rights. No corporation ever supported personal or civil rights - the only rights they ever support are the right to poll

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:56:43 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > On 12/19/2012 3:50 PM, meekerdb wrote: > > On 12/19/2012 11:08 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: > > On 12/19/2012 1:42 PM, meekerdb wrote: > > On 12/19/2012 6:54 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > > Hi Craig Weinberg > > Th

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/19/2012 3:50 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/19/2012 11:08 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/19/2012 1:42 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/19/2012 6:54 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg The difference between corporations and the govt is that corps have to make a profit or they fail. Or they

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/19/2012 3:29 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/19/2012 9:53 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg OK, govts can finally fail, when the people find that they can legislate their own welfare. Or when the people realize that their government has just become a tool of the rich and powerful to i

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:30:17 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > On 12/19/2012 2:43 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > All markets become first-come first-serve pyramid schemes by definition. > > And this means? What is the implication? > That policies based on the assumption th

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/19/2012 2:43 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: All markets become first-come first-serve pyramid schemes by definition. And this means? What is the implication? -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To pos

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread meekerdb
On 12/19/2012 11:12 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/19/2012 1:46 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/19/2012 6:58 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Conservatives don't want NO govt. They want minimal govt. I think you're confused; that's Libertarians. Conservatives always vote for more gover

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread meekerdb
On 12/19/2012 11:08 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/19/2012 1:42 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/19/2012 6:54 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg The difference between corporations and the govt is that corps have to make a profit or they fail. Or they get the government to give them breaks

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread meekerdb
On 12/19/2012 9:53 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg OK, govts can finally fail, when the people find that they can legislate their own welfare. Or when the people realize that their government has just become a tool of the rich and powerful to increase their wealth and power; in which

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 2:08:20 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > On 12/19/2012 1:42 PM, meekerdb wrote: > > On 12/19/2012 6:54 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > > Hi Craig Weinberg > > The difference between corporations and the govt > is that corps have to make a profit or they fail

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/19/2012 2:16 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2012/12/19 Stephen P. King > On 12/19/2012 1:46 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/19/2012 6:58 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Conservatives don't want NO govt. They want minimal govt. I

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2012/12/19 Stephen P. King > On 12/19/2012 1:46 PM, meekerdb wrote: > > On 12/19/2012 6:58 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > > Hi Craig Weinberg > > Conservatives don't want NO govt. > They want minimal govt. > > > I think you're confused; that's Libertarians. Conservatives always vote > for more gover

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/19/2012 1:46 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/19/2012 6:58 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Conservatives don't want NO govt. They want minimal govt. I think you're confused; that's Libertarians. Conservatives always vote for more government control over individual behavior and more

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/19/2012 1:42 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/19/2012 6:54 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg The difference between corporations and the govt is that corps have to make a profit or they fail. Or they get the government to give them breaks because they're too big to fail. Brent Hi B

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread meekerdb
On 12/19/2012 6:58 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Conservatives don't want NO govt. They want minimal govt. I think you're confused; that's Libertarians. Conservatives always vote for more government control over individual behavior and more money for the military (that protects t

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread meekerdb
On 12/19/2012 6:54 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg The difference between corporations and the govt is that corps have to make a profit or they fail. Or they get the government to give them breaks because they're too big to fail. Brent -- You received this message because you are su

Re: Re: Re: Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Roger Clough
g Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-19, 10:56:37 Subject: Re: Re: Re: promoting REASON On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:54:32 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg The difference between corporations and the govt is that corps have to make a profit or they fail. Govt n

Re: Re: Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
> 12/19/2012 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > > - Receiving the following content - > *From:* Craig Weinberg > *Receiver:* everything-list > *Time:* 2012-12-18, 11:54:11 > *Subject:* Re: Re: promoting REASON &g

Re: Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Roger Clough
- Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-18, 14:43:58 Subject: Re: promoting REASON On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:30:48 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/18/2012 2:17 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, December 18, 2

Re: Re: Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Roger Clough
ng content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-18, 11:54:11 Subject: Re: Re: promoting REASON On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 10:34:14 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Party politics will soon end. The two parties of the future (next year if even that)

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-18 Thread meekerdb
On 12/18/2012 8:54 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: As far as the pipe dream of increasing individual liberty by reducing the power of government, can't you see that unconstitutional Corporate Feudalism will fill the vacuum before you can say Habeus Corpus? You think that Monsanto is going to give yo

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:30:48 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > On 12/18/2012 2:17 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:19:46 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: >> >> On 12/18/2012 11:54 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 18

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-18 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/18/2012 2:17 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:19:46 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/18/2012 11:54 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 10:34:14 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Party politics will

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:19:46 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > On 12/18/2012 11:54 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 10:34:14 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: >> >> Hi Craig Weinberg >> >> Party politics will soon end. >> >> The two parties of the futur

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-18 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/18/2012 11:54 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 10:34:14 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Party politics will soon end. The two parties of the future (next year if even that) will be (a) those who want to cut the debt and (b) those wh

Re: Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
quot;Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > - Receiving the following content - > From: Craig Weinberg > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-12-17, 19:08:17 > Subject: Re: promoting REASON > > > > > On Monday, December 17, 2

Re: Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-18 Thread Roger Clough
rever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-17, 19:08:17 Subject: Re: promoting REASON On Monday, December 17, 2012 5:57:40 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrot

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
raig, > > At some point I hope that you will understand that I am not > promoting a brand of politics. I am promoting REASON, that with makes us > Sapient, not that which makes us D. or R. or L. or G. or whatever other > brand of politic one might happen to like. > I don&#

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-17 Thread Stephen P. King
one will die'. If we weren't afraid of dying in mass graves, what would be a more sensible way of governing a prosperous state? Dear Craig, At some point I hope that you will understand that I am not promoting a brand of politics. I am promoting REASON, that with makes us Sapi