Re: What's wrong with this?

2010-09-18 Thread 1Z
On 1 Sep, 05:18, Rex Allen wrote: > That these rules generate rational beliefs is a leap of faith, and can > neither be refuted nor proven. apart from noting the survival value of rationality over irrationality > If the underlying process *didn’t* cause us to present and believe > rational ar

Re: What's wrong with this? (a side question)

2010-09-18 Thread 1Z
On 3 Sep, 09:10, Bruno Marchal wrote: > Physicists have a tradition of putting mind and consciousness under   > the rug, Physicists have a tradition of not being psychologists front of the 'hard consciousness problem', or the mind-body problem. -- You received this message because you are s

Re: What's wrong with this?

2010-09-18 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 18.09.2010 01:38 1Z said the following: On 17 Sep, 18:52, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 17.09.2010 14:33 1Z said the following: On 26 Aug, 17:37, David Nymanwrote: ... The next citation by Robert B. Laughlin (Nobel laureate in physics) could be of interest here: http://blog.rudnyi.

Re: What's wrong with this?

2010-09-18 Thread 1Z
On 18 Sep, 16:11, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > on 18.09.2010 01:38 1Z said the following: > > > > > On 17 Sep, 18:52, Evgenii Rudnyi  wrote: > >> on 17.09.2010 14:33 1Z said the following: > > >>> On 26 Aug, 17:37, David Nyman    wrote: > > ... > > > > >> The next citation by Robert B. Laughlin (Nobe

Re: What's wrong with this?

2010-09-18 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 18.09.2010 18:08 1Z said the following: ... By the way, about the water. The difference between H, O and H2O is in chemical bonds in H2O. such bonds can be considered basic elements of reality, too I am not sure if I understand your answer. Say we have H2 and O2 at room temperature

Re: What's wrong with this?

2010-09-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Sep 2010, at 19:52, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 17.09.2010 14:33 1Z said the following: On 26 Aug, 17:37, David Nyman wrote: ... Whatever composite categories we might be tempted to have recourse to - you know: molecules, cells, bodies, planets, ideas, explanations, theories, the wh

Re: What's wrong with this? (a side question)

2010-09-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Sep 2010, at 14:34, 1Z wrote: On 3 Sep, 09:10, Bruno Marchal wrote: Physicists have a tradition of putting mind and consciousness under the rug, Physicists have a tradition of not being psychologists front of the 'hard consciousness problem', or the mind-body problem. Indeed. Sin

Re: What's wrong with this?

2010-09-18 Thread 1Z
On 18 Sep, 17:20, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > on 18.09.2010 18:08 1Z said the following: > > > > ... > > > > >> By the way, about the water. The difference between H, O and H2O is > >> in chemical bonds in H2O. > > > such bonds can be considered basic elements of reality, too > > I am not sure if I

Re: What's wrong with this? (a side question)

2010-09-18 Thread 1Z
On 18 Sep, 18:21, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 18 Sep 2010, at 14:34, 1Z wrote: > > > > > On 3 Sep, 09:10, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > >> Physicists have a tradition of putting mind and consciousness under > >> the rug, > > > Physicists have a tradition of not being psychologists > > front of the 'ha

Re: What's wrong with this? (a side question)

2010-09-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Sep 2010, at 19:43, 1Z wrote: On 18 Sep, 18:21, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Sep 2010, at 14:34, 1Z wrote: On 3 Sep, 09:10, Bruno Marchal wrote: Physicists have a tradition of putting mind and consciousness under the rug, Physicists have a tradition of not being psychologists

Re: What's wrong with this?

2010-09-18 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 18.09.2010 19:02 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 17 Sep 2010, at 19:52, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... This is why attempts to describe free atoms in Newtonian terms always result in nonsense statements such as their being neither here nor there but simultaneously everywhere. IMO, this

Re: What's wrong with this?

2010-09-18 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 18.09.2010 19:40 1Z said the following: On 18 Sep, 17:20, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 18.09.2010 18:08 1Z said the following: ... By the way, about the water. The difference between H, O and H2O is in chemical bonds in H2O. such bonds can be considered basic elements of reality, too

Re: What's wrong with this?

2010-09-18 Thread Brent Meeker
On 9/18/2010 9:20 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 18.09.2010 18:08 1Z said the following: ... By the way, about the water. The difference between H, O and H2O is in chemical bonds in H2O. such bonds can be considered basic elements of reality, too I am not sure if I understand your answe

Re: What's wrong with this?

2010-09-18 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 18.09.2010 21:09 Brent Meeker said the following: On 9/18/2010 9:20 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 18.09.2010 18:08 1Z said the following: ... By the way, about the water. The difference between H, O and H2O is in chemical bonds in H2O. such bonds can be considered basic elements of re

RE: Definiteness of Meaning (was: A superposition in QM is just due to a choice of basis?)

2010-09-18 Thread Stephen P. King
Hi Peter and Friends, -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-l...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 1Z Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:16 AM To: Everything List Subject: Re: A superposition in QM is just due to a choice of basis? On 28 Aug, 20:29, "

Re: What's wrong with this? (a side question)

2010-09-18 Thread John Mikes
Bruno: thanks for the "I think" in your text below - also: I cannot argue against your negative assessement about atheism - who IMO require a 'God" to deny. You know my shortcomings to equate physics with other domains of *hearsay belief systems*, like *theology* (as *religion* mainly). What I mea

Re: What's wrong with this?

2010-09-18 Thread Brent Meeker
On 9/18/2010 12:19 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 18.09.2010 21:09 Brent Meeker said the following: On 9/18/2010 9:20 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 18.09.2010 18:08 1Z said the following: ... By the way, about the water. The difference between H, O and H2O is in chemical bonds in H2O. suc

Re: What's wrong with this?

2010-09-18 Thread John Mikes
Friends, that reminds me of my 1/2 c profession in - more or less - chemistry with a conclusion that averted the brainwashing received in college (and applied in my successful R&D work as long as it lasted) that the chemical 'formulae' of compounds describe 'ingredients'. You mentioned H2O - which

Re: What's wrong with this?

2010-09-18 Thread 1Z
On 18 Sep, 19:32, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > on 18.09.2010 19:40 1Z said the following: > > > > > > > On 18 Sep, 17:20, Evgenii Rudnyi  wrote: > >> on 18.09.2010 18:08 1Z said the following: > > >> ... > > By the way, about the water. The difference between H, O and > H2O is in chemical b

Re: What's wrong with this?

2010-09-18 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 19.09.2010 01:52 1Z said the following: On 18 Sep, 19:32, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 18.09.2010 19:40 1Z said the following: On 18 Sep, 17:20, Evgenii Rudnyiwrote: on 18.09.2010 18:08 1Z said the following: ... By the way, about the water. The difference between H, O and H2O

Re: What's wrong with this?

2010-09-18 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 18.09.2010 23:35 Brent Meeker said the following: On 9/18/2010 12:19 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 18.09.2010 21:09 Brent Meeker said the following: On 9/18/2010 9:20 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 18.09.2010 18:08 1Z said the following: ... By the way, about the water. The difference b