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On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:40
It produces 4X the energy it needs just from the solar PV on the roofs of
its buildings.. Isn't it amazing what you can accomplish with such dilute
sources of energy. I include the link because the pictures are pretty cool,
and illustrate what a solar city could look like.
http://inhabitat.com/
On 26 February 2014 23:58, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>
>> "The alien hand syndrome, as originally defined, was used to describe
>> cases involving anterior corpus callosal lesions producing involuntary
>> movement and a concomitant inability to distinguish the affected hand from
>> an examiner's hand
On 27 February 2014 00:49, Jason Resch wrote:
> I came upon an interesting passage in "Our Mathematical Universe", starting
> on page 194, which I think members of this list might appreciate:
>
> "It gradually hit me that this illusion of randomness business really wasn't
> specific to quantum mec
To be honest with you, I don't think we are 'up against it' from a AGW point of
view. This is why the professionals of climate change are sounding panicked
because the climate is not behaving as they have always claimed. We should
always do research in the hopes of giving us options. We may not
Stop right there. You complain about the Koch's but say zero about George
Soros, and about other Dem suppliers like Gates, Zuckerberg, Warren Buffet, the
Blackstone Group, Hollywood billionaires, which end up being not a technical
answer to a technical problem of clean energy, but rather, the i
http://edge.org/conversation/constructor-theory
I don't recall if the list has discussed these ideas of David Deutsch
recently. The link is to an Edge interview in which he discusses his view
that mathematicians are mistaken if they believe that information or
computation are purely abstract objec
On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 11:17:31 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
>
> On 26 February 2014 12:58, Craig Weinberg
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "The alien hand syndrome, as originally defined, was used to describe
>>> cases involving anterior corpus callosal lesions producing involuntary
>>> movement a
On Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:13:22 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
>
> On 26 February 2014 23:58, Craig Weinberg >
> wrote:
> >
> >> "The alien hand syndrome, as originally defined, was used to describe
> >> cases involving anterior corpus callosal lesions producing involuntary
> >> movement a
Guys,
David Koch can't be all bad since he is a major financial supporter of the
PBS 'Nova' programs. His name appears in the opening credits of all of
them...
Edgar
On Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:10:33 AM UTC-5, spudb...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Stop right there. You complain about the Koch's b
Jesse,
I haven't answered those questions out of any disrespect or rudeness but
because I was working on a new explanation which I think does specifically
address and answer all of them which I present in this post. I will be
happy to answer any of your questions if you think they are still rel
On 24 Feb 2014, at 17:31, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Monday, February 24, 2014 9:13:26 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
On 24 February 2014 02:43, Craig Weinberg wrote:
How do you turn your desire to move your hand into the neurological
changes which move them? The neurological change is the expr
On 27 February 2014 14:02, Craig Weinberg wrote:
In other words, why, in a functionalist/materialist world would we need a
> breakable program to keep telling us that our hand is not Alien? When you
> start by assuming that I'm always wrong, then it becomes very easy to
> justify that with ad hoc
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
> I came upon an interesting passage in "Our Mathematical Universe",
> starting on page 194, which I think members of this list might appreciate:
>
> "It gradually hit me that this illusion of randomness business really
> wasn't specific to quan
On 24 Feb 2014, at 23:04, LizR wrote:
On 24 February 2014 07:57, Bruno Marchal wrote:
About [](A -> B) -> ([]A -> []B), let me ask you a more precise
exercise.
Convince yourself that this formula is true in all worlds, of all
Kripke multiverses, with any illumination.
Hint: you might try
On Thursday, February 27, 2014 9:47:33 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
>
> On 27 February 2014 14:02, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>
> In other words, why, in a functionalist/materialist world would we need a
>> breakable program to keep telling us that our hand is not Alien? When
>> you start by assumi
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> Jesse,
>
> I haven't answered those questions out of any disrespect or rudeness but
> because I was working on a new explanation which I think does specifically
> address and answer all of them which I present in this post. I will be
> happy
On 26 Feb 2014, at 07:21, chris peck wrote:
Hi Bruno
>> Yes, it is the common confusion between 1 and 3 views.
There is no such confusion. I haven't seen anyone confusing these.
Read the posts by John Clark. I made clear that the first person
expectation are what is confimred or not in th
On 26 Feb 2014, at 07:44, chris peck wrote:
Hi Bruno
>> Of course, and my point is that comp aggravates that problem, as
only extends the indterminacy from a wave to arithmetic.
Personally, I don't think it makes a difference what the underlying
substrata of reality consists of,
So we
On Thursday, February 27, 2014 9:38:05 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>
> On 24 Feb 2014, at 17:31, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>
> On Monday, February 24, 2014 9:13:26 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
>>
>> On 24 February 2014 02:43, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>>
>> How do you turn your desire to move your
On 25 Feb 2014, at 18:36, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/25/2014 7:00 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
admitting simply that indexical notion are modal notion, and thus
don't need to obey to Leibniz identity rule.
I don't understand that remark. Are you saying that there is some
modal notion that makes id
On 25 Feb 2014, at 18:44, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/25/2014 7:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 23 Feb 2014, at 20:38, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/23/2014 4:35 AM, David Nyman wrote:
Not "my" consciousness, no. I'm just suggesting that CTM
ultimately relies on some transcendent notion of perspective
i
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 4:50 PM, LizR wrote:
> Why bother with all these other power sources when you have a fusion
> reactor in the astronomical backyard?
>
Because the energy density decreases with the square of the distance and
the fusion reactor is 93 million miles away, and because the ene
On 25 Feb 2014, at 23:30, Craig Weinberg wrote:
0 doesn't = 0 in my theory.
I was beginning suspecting this.
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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On 26 Feb 2014, at 00:05, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/25/2014 2:52 PM, LizR wrote:
On 26 February 2014 11:18, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/25/2014 1:23 PM, LizR wrote:
The great thing about using an energy grid is you can plug in new
components (i.e. different types of generators - nuclear etc) and
ever
Deutsch cites the discovery of the neutrino as an application of energy conservation, but
he doesn't seem to notice that energy conservation is simply a consequence of requiring
that our theories by time-translation invariant. It's exactly the kind of impossibility
restriction he hopes to get f
Can you do the same with London in the UK? Can you produce 4 times more than it
consumes Tokyo? Can you do this at night, and can you do this during times of
rain and snowstorms? The article wasn't clear. A coal plant or a uranium plant
can do quite a bit of this also, and transmit the excess el
Why trust any of these billionaires?? Why trust the Koch's if you don't trust
Soros (like me)? Let us call the US system what it is-a plutocracy. Run from
the law firms on K-street in Washington, DC. Technically, its a corporatism
form of government. Because somebody likes NOVA is no reason to
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 3:55 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
>> even if the price dropped to zero it wouldn't be enough to completely
>> take over from nuclear and fossil fuel because it would still be too dilute
>> and too unreliable and unpredictable for many, perhaps most, applications.
>>
> > S
Jesse,
First the answer to your question at the end of your post.
Yes, of course I agree. Again that's just standard relativity theory.
However as you point out by CONVENTION it means "the observer's comoving
inertial frame" which is the way I was using it.
Now to your replies to my post beg
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> Jesse,
>
> First the answer to your question at the end of your post.
>
> Yes, of course I agree. Again that's just standard relativity theory.
> However as you point out by CONVENTION it means "the observer's comoving
> inertial frame" whic
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Subject: Re: The solar example of a town in Germany
>>Can you do the same with London in the UK?
Yes
>>Can you produce 4 times more than it consum
Chris, if this is all true and available today, or very, soon, Japan, which
experienced the core meltdown at Fukushima, has not pursued a crash program of
PV farms.?all over to replace nuclear. I read energy stuff all the time, as you
must, and have seen a PV farm at sea, proposal. But I don't s
Jesse,
Remember we are talking ONLY about PROPER TIMES, or actual ages. These DO
NOT HAVE any MEANING IN OTHER FRAMES than that of the actual frame of the
observer in question. So your comments that an observer's age will be
measured differently in other frames, while obviously true, is NOT the
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 01:34:32PM +, David Nyman wrote:
> http://edge.org/conversation/constructor-theory
>
> I don't recall if the list has discussed these ideas of David Deutsch
> recently. The link is to an Edge interview in which he discusses his view
> that mathematicians are mistaken if
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 04:09:42PM +0100, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
>
> While reading, do you get a sense that he points towards how this might
> potentially weaken digital physics/functionalism in their strong sense?
> That digital physics implies comp, which implies vast non computable part
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> Jesse,
>
> Remember we are talking ONLY about PROPER TIMES, or actual ages. These DO
> NOT HAVE any MEANING IN OTHER FRAMES than that of the actual frame of the
> observer in question.
>
No, you couldn't be more wrong about that last statem
Not to be a dick, but is not "information" or "data" perforations, and pulses,
in mater and energy? This is how we recognize information from background
noise, correct? Is there a third state of reality that is not matter or energy?
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On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 05:01:51PM -0500, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
> Not to be a dick, but is not "information" or "data" perforations, and
> pulses, in mater and energy? This is how we recognize information from
> background noise, correct? Is there a third state of reality that is not
> matte
On 2/27/2014 1:35 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 01:34:32PM +, David Nyman wrote:
http://edge.org/conversation/constructor-theory
I don't recall if the list has discussed these ideas of David Deutsch
recently. The link is to an Edge interview in which he discusses his v
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Jesse Mazer wrote:
>
>
> A simple example: say in Alice's rest frame, there are two markers at rest
> in this frame 20 light-years apart, and Bob moves inertially from one
> marker to the other a velocity of 0.8c in this frame. What is the proper
> time on Bob's w
Any attempt to separate out time from space-time and remain within the
context of special relativity is bound to fail, because SR is the
unification of space and time. In Newtonian theory there was absolute space
and absolute time. In SR there is only absolute space-time (in the sense of
invariant
I have just received Max's book from Amazon. I've read the first page or
two. So far he has been killed by a truck in (I think) 1975. I eagerly
await developments.
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Why does it matter if London can produce 4x the energy it uses? This is why
we have national grids (which would be helped even more by being linked up
across national borders...oh hang on they already are, aren't they?) This
is why there are people in power stations keeping an eye on the load and
b
On Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:52:41 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>
> On 25 Feb 2014, at 23:30, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>
> 0 doesn't = 0 in my theory.
>
>
Identity isn't self contained in MSR. All identity is leased within some
perspective. The more common the perspective, the longer the
On 28 February 2014 06:43, John Clark wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 4:50 PM, LizR wrote:
>
> > Why bother with all these other power sources when you have a fusion
>> reactor in the astronomical backyard?
>>
>
> Because the energy density decreases with the square of the distance and
> the f
Jesse,
My understanding of the first part of your reply is though proper time is
"ONLY one's reading of one's own clock" (as I stated) it IS possible for
any other observer to calculate that proper time and always come up with
the same answer. Is that correct?
If so that's precisely what I've
On 28 February 2014 07:11, wrote:
>
> Why trust any of these billionaires?? Why trust the Koch's if you don't
> trust Soros (like me)? Let us call the US system what it is-a plutocracy.
> Run from the law firms on K-street in Washington, DC. Technically, its a
> corporatism form of government. Be
On 28 February 2014 07:47, John Clark wrote:
>
> Food energy is not all that dilute, a 1000 calorie jelly doughnut has
> about as much chemical energy as a hand grenade.
>
> You have 1000 calorie jelly doughnuts??? (What's that in metric units?)
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On 28 February 2014 07:47, John Clark wrote:
> Lithium batteries are the most energy dense batteries in use today and
> also the most expensive, they can store .72 megajoules per kilogram,
> gasoline stores 44 megajoules per kilogram; so gasoline is 61 times more
> energy dense than the best batt
Well if you can store 61 times more energy, that just means there's room
for improvement in the existing batteries... Good news, if nature was able
to do it so can we I hope.
Le 28 févr. 2014 00:50, "LizR" a écrit :
> On 28 February 2014 07:47, John Clark wrote:
>
>> Lithium batteries are the mo
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> Jesse,
>
> My understanding of the first part of your reply is though proper time is
> "ONLY one's reading of one's own clock" (as I stated) it IS possible for
> any other observer to calculate that proper time and always come up with
> the
On 28 February 2014 05:29, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> And Liz-Washington said "I don't know if I am the one from Washington I
> drunk to much whisky and I lost the diary!"
> And Liz-Moscow said "I don't know if I am the one from Moscow, I drunk too
> much vodka and I lost the diary".
>
> GASP! How di
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 12:47:05PM +1300, LizR wrote:
> On 28 February 2014 07:47, John Clark wrote:
>
> >
> > Food energy is not all that dilute, a 1000 calorie jelly doughnut has
> > about as much chemical energy as a hand grenade.
> >
> > You have 1000 calorie jelly doughnuts??? (What's that
On 28 February 2014 12:36, Craig Weinberg wrote:
> Identity isn't self contained in MSR. All identity is leased within some
> perspective. The more common the perspective, the longer the lease, and the
> more 'seems like' or 'has a similar quality' appears stabilized as 'is
> equal'.
>
> What is
On 28 February 2014 01:05, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>
>
> On Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:13:22 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
>>
>> On 26 February 2014 23:58, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>> >
>> >> "The alien hand syndrome, as originally defined, was used to describe
>> >> cases involving anterior corpus cal
On 28 February 2014 03:02, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>
> In other words, why, in a functionalist/materialist world would we need a
> breakable program to keep telling us that our hand is not Alien?
>
> Or contrariwise, why do you need a breakable programme to tell you that
it's your hand? Maybe it is
On 2/27/2014 4:27 PM, LizR wrote:
On 28 February 2014 05:29, Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>>
wrote:
And Liz-Washington said "I don't know if I am the one from Washington I
drunk to
much whisky and I lost the diary!"
And Liz-Moscow said "I don't know if I am the one from Mo
On 2/27/2014 4:38 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 12:47:05PM +1300, LizR wrote:
On 28 February 2014 07:47, John Clark wrote:
Food energy is not all that dilute, a 1000 calorie jelly doughnut has
about as much chemical energy as a hand grenade.
You have 1000 calorie jelly
On 28 February 2014 13:38, Russell Standish wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 12:47:05PM +1300, LizR wrote:
> > On 28 February 2014 07:47, John Clark wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Food energy is not all that dilute, a 1000 calorie jelly doughnut has
> > > about as much chemical energy as a hand grenade
On 28 February 2014 14:07, meekerdb wrote:
>
> Which led to an amusing fad of eating ice to lose weight in the 60's. At
> 80cal/g just to melt the ice and another 30cal/g or so to raise it to body
> temperature it appeared that just eating some ice cubes could completely
> cancel out a big meal.
On 28 February 2014 14:03, meekerdb wrote:
> On 2/27/2014 4:27 PM, LizR wrote:
>
> On 28 February 2014 05:29, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>> And Liz-Washington said "I don't know if I am the one from Washington I
>> drunk to much whisky and I lost the diary!"
>> And Liz-Moscow said "I don't know if
On Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:03:15 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
>
> On 28 February 2014 03:02, Craig Weinberg
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> In other words, why, in a functionalist/materialist world would we need a
>> breakable program to keep telling us that our hand is not Alien?
>>
>> Or contrariwise, why
On Thursday, February 27, 2014 7:54:53 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
>
> On 28 February 2014 01:05, Craig Weinberg >
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:13:22 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
> >>
> >> On 26 February 2014 23:58, Craig Weinberg wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "The alien hand
>> even if the price dropped to zero it wouldn't be enough to completely
take over from nuclear and fossil fuel because it would still be too dilute
and too unreliable and unpredictable for many, perhaps most, applications.
> So say you. and yet just this year alone - 2014 - it is projected
>>Well if you can store 61 times more energy, that just means there's room for
>>improvement in the existing batteries... Good news, if nature was able to do
>>it so can we I hope.
Zinc-air batteries, which combine atmospheric oxygen and zinc metal in a liquid
alkaline electrolyte to genera
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 05:01:51PM -0500, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
> Not to be a dick, but is not "information" or "data" perforations, and
pulses, in mater and energy? This is how we recognize information from
background noise, correct? Is there a third state of reality that is not
matter or ene
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On 28 February 2014 06:43, John Clark wrot
Personally the notion that all that exists is comp & information - encoded
on what though? - Is not especially troubling for me. I understand how some
cling to a fundamental material realism; after all it does seem so very
real. However when you get right down to it all we have is measured values
o
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