Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

> On 11 Dec 2018, at 12:58, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 5:41:49 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 11 Dec 2018, at 12:11, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> Nothing is "confirmed" and "made precise". >> >> (Derrida, Rorty, …) > > That would make Der

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

> On 10 Dec 2018, at 20:26, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 12/9/2018 11:38 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 8:43:59 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 2:02 PM Philip Thrift > > wrote: >> >> >> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 9:36:39 AM U

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

> On 11 Dec 2018, at 19:34, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 12:13:14 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > On 12/9/2018 11:38 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 8:43:59 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 2:02 PM Phili

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

> On 11 Dec 2018, at 19:53, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 12:45:13 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:29 AM Brent Meeker > wrote: > > > On 12/11/2018 12:31 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 7:05:17 PM U

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

> On 11 Dec 2018, at 20:20, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 12/11/2018 11:06 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 12:53 PM Philip Thrift > > wrote: >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 12:45:13 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, D

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

> On 11 Dec 2018, at 23:07, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 3:44:26 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 1:20 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: > > > On 12/11/2018 11:06 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 12:53 PM Philip Thrift >

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:09:00 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Dec 2018, at 12:58, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 5:41:49 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 11 Dec 2018, at 12:11, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> Nothing is "confirm

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 6:32:51 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 10:12:54 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 9 Dec 2018, at 18:01, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 10:27:37 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 11 Dec 2018, at 19:32, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 10:12:54 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 9 Dec 2018, at 18:01, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 10:27:37 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 6 De

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 11 Dec 2018, at 20:53, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 7:30:32 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 1:02:52 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com <> > wrote: > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 6:44:34 PM UTC, Philip Thr

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

> On 12 Dec 2018, at 12:54, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:09:00 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 11 Dec 2018, at 12:58, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 5:41:49 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 11 Dec

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 12 Dec 2018, at 15:08, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 6:32:51 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 10:12:54 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 9 Dec 2018, at 18:01, agrays...@gmail.com <> wrote: >> >> >> >

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 4:07:13 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Dec 2018, at 20:53, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 7:30:32 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 1:02:52 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com >>

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 3:51:04 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Dec 2018, at 19:32, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 10:12:54 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 9 Dec 2018, at 18:01, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, De

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 11:18:48 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 12 Dec 2018, at 12:54, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:09:00 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 11 Dec 2018, at 12:58, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, D

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 10:07:13 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Dec 2018, at 20:53, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 7:30:32 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 1:02:52 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 4:56 PM Jason Resch wrote: >> Without physics reality would not need a foundation because there >> would be no reality, there would be nothing. And nothing could be explained >> not only because there would nobody to explain it to but more importantly >> because there wo

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 1:39:12 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 4:56 PM Jason Resch > wrote: > > >> Without physics reality would not need a foundation because there >>> would be no reality, there would be nothing. And nothing could be explained >>> not onl

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 1:39 PM John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 4:56 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > >> Without physics reality would not need a foundation because there >>> would be no reality, there would be nothing. And nothing could be explained >>> not only because there would nobod

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 6:57:33 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 10:07:13 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 11 Dec 2018, at 20:53, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 7:30:32 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 4:10 PM Jason Resch wrote: > *Tell me why an electron is a thing and 3 is not.* > An electron can change in time and space, 3 can not change in either. > >>Computations "exist" in the universe of numbers in the same way that >> the Incredible Hulk "exists" in the univer

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 3:30:46 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 6:57:33 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 10:07:13 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 11 Dec 2018, at 20:53, agrays...@g

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 4:34 PM John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 4:10 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > > *Tell me why an electron is a thing and 3 is not.* >> > > An electron can change in time and space, 3 can not change in either. > You are ruling out the block time view, which contradict

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 11:13:10 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 3:30:46 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 6:57:33 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 a

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:21:15 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 11:13:10 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 3:30:46 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, December

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 11:41:13 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:21:15 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 11:13:10 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On 12/12/2018 3:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Dec 2018, at 20:20, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 12/11/2018 11:06 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 12:53 PM Philip Thrift mailto:cloudver...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Tuesday, December 11, 2018

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 6:04 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/12/2018 3:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Dec 2018, at 20:20, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 12/11/2018 11:06 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 12:53 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tuesday, Dec

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

On 12/12/2018 9:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Dec 2018, at 12:54, Philip Thrift > wrote: On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:09:00 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Dec 2018, at 12:58, Philip Thrift > wrote: On Tuesday, December 11, 201

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On 12/12/2018 1:10 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Right, which is what Bruno's result, Markus Muller's paper shows is the case with arithmetical truth in its relation to physical systems. Assuming arithemtical truth, one can explain how to derive physics from it. No.  You can claim it's consistent

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On 12/12/2018 5:21 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 6:04 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: On 12/12/2018 3:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Dec 2018, at 20:20, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/11/2018 11:06 AM, Ja

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:55:13 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 11:41:13 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:21:15 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, December

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 10:44 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/12/2018 5:21 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 6:04 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/12/2018 3:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 11 Dec 2018, at 20:20, Brent Meeker wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/11/201