Re: BH question

On 11/6/2019 10:31 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 11:20:23 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/6/2019 9:00 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 7:17:21 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/6/2019 4:44 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:

Re: Panpsychism, materialism, and zombies

Galen Strawson say that consciousness is matter. I don't think so. When I am unconscious my brain does not dissapear. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

Re: BH question

On 11/7/2019 8:43 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 5:20:13 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/7/2019 4:06 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 11:41:11 AM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/6/2019 10:31 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On

Re: BH question

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 10:54:33 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/7/2019 8:43 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 5:20:13 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/7/2019 4:06 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 11:41:11

Re: C60 Interference

On 11/7/2019 8:45 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 9:38:14 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/7/2019 8:06 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 8:47:15 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/7/2019 6:39 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On

Re: C60 Interference

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 10:58:13 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/7/2019 8:45 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 9:38:14 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/7/2019 8:06 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 8:47:15

Re: C60 Interference

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 11:39:52 PM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 10:58:13 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/7/2019 8:45 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 9:38:14 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

> On 7 Nov 2019, at 09:21, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 7:27:32 PM UTC-6, stathisp wrote: > > > On Thu, 7 Nov 2019 at 11:15, Bruce Kellett > > wrote: > On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 11:00 AM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > > The universe as a whole is determined

Re: Panpsychism, materialism, and zombies

> On 6 Nov 2019, at 11:30, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > Philip Goff > Philip Pullman > moderator, Nigel Warburten > > transcript of podcast > > @ > https://lithub.com/philip-goff-and-philip-pullman-talk-materialism-panpsychism-and-philosophical-zombies/ > > > > PG: You only get

Re: C60 Interference

> On 6 Nov 2019, at 10:34, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 3:19:58 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 5 Nov 2019, at 02:53, Alan Grayson > >> wrote: >> >> IIUC, as the temperature rises, interference in the double slit C60 >> experiment declines, and

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

> On 7 Nov 2019, at 02:50, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 12:27 PM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > On Thu, 7 Nov 2019 at 11:15, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 11:00 AM Stathis Papaioannou

Panpsychism, materialism, and zombies

Philip Goff did not say nothing substantial here. Anyway panpsychism is full of problems, most notably 'combination problem' so it is not viable position. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

Re: Panpsychism, materialism, and zombies

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 7:30:00 AM UTC-6, Eva wrote: > > Philip Goff did not say nothing substantial here. > > Anyway panpsychism is full of problems, most notably 'combination problem' > so it is not viable position. > Except (as Galen Strawson, Philip Goff, Hedda Morch argue) it

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 1:35:07 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/7/2019 12:21 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 7:27:32 PM UTC-6, stathisp wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thu, 7 Nov 2019 at 11:15, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 11:00 AM

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 8:53 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 11/7/2019 1:40 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 6:35 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > On 11/7/2019 12:21 AM,

Re: What if Planet 9 is a Primordial Black Hole?

Not certain there is a planet 9, but my first choice would be a Superearth overall PBH. Still need to rule it out. On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 12:44:18 AM UTC-8, John Clark wrote: > > Due to the odd orbits of recently discovered Trans-Neptunian objects > astronomers say that, unless

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

On 11/7/2019 1:58 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 8:53 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 11/7/2019 1:40 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 6:35 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: C60 Interference

On 11/7/2019 6:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 6 Nov 2019, at 10:34, Philip Thrift > wrote: On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 3:19:58 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 5 Nov 2019, at 02:53, Alan Grayson > wrote: IIUC, as the temperature rises,

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 6:35 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 11/7/2019 12:21 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 7:27:32 PM UTC-6, stathisp wrote: >> >> On Thu, 7 Nov 2019 at 11:15, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >>> On

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

On 11/7/2019 1:40 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 6:35 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 11/7/2019 12:21 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 7:27:32 PM UTC-6, stathisp wrote: On

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 3:53:12 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/7/2019 1:40 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 6:35 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > >> On 11/7/2019 12:21 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> The

Re: C60 Interference

On 11/7/2019 6:39 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 6:25:37 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/7/2019 5:01 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: There is no paradox.  It's just some hang up you have that a cat can't be dead and alive at the same time.  It's as

Re: C60 Interference

On 11/7/2019 8:06 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 8:47:15 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/7/2019 6:39 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 6:25:37 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/7/2019 5:01 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:

Re: C60 Interference

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 6:27:22 PM UTC-7, Bruce wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 12:01 PM Alan Grayson > wrote: > >> On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 5:25:56 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >>> >>> On 11/7/2019 4:13 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> They've sent 2000-atom sized molecules through

Re: C60 Interference

On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 1:42 PM Alan Grayson wrote: > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 6:27:22 PM UTC-7, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 12:01 PM Alan Grayson wrote: >> >>> On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 5:25:56 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/7/2019 4:13 PM, Alan Grayson

Re: C60 Interference

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 7:48:15 PM UTC-7, Bruce wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 1:42 PM Alan Grayson > wrote: > >> On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 6:27:22 PM UTC-7, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 12:01 PM Alan Grayson >>> wrote: >>> On Thursday, November 7, 2019

Re: C60 Interference

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 9:06:44 PM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 8:47:15 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/7/2019 6:39 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 6:25:37 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On

Re: C60 Interference

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 6:25:37 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/7/2019 5:01 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > There is no paradox. It's just some hang up you have that a cat can't be >> dead and alive at the same time. It's as though your physics was stuck in >> the time of Aristotle

Re: C60 Interference

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 8:47:15 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/7/2019 6:39 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 6:25:37 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/7/2019 5:01 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> There is no paradox. It's just some hang up you

Re: BH question

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 5:20:13 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/7/2019 4:06 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 11:41:11 AM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 11/6/2019 10:31 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 11:20:23 PM

Re: C60 Interference

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 9:38:14 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/7/2019 8:06 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 8:47:15 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/7/2019 6:39 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 6:25:37 PM

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

On 11/7/2019 2:32 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 3:53:12 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 11/7/2019 1:40 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 6:35 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 11/7/2019 12:21 AM, Philip Thrift

Re: C60 Interference

On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 11:13 AM Alan Grayson wrote: > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 12:50:21 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> Aside from the isolation problems the de Broglie wavelength of a cat is >> extremely small so to get an interference pattern the slit and slit spacing >> must be

Re: C60 Interference

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 5:20:07 PM UTC-7, Bruce wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 11:13 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: > >> On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 12:50:21 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> Aside from the isolation problems the de Broglie wavelength of a cat is >>> extremely

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 6:27:49 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 6:16:45 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> A sample space implies statistics and a frequentist interpretation of >> probability. >> >> > No. > > >

Re: What if Planet 9 is a Primordial Black Hole?

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 6:34:24 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > Wouldn't a small piece of a neutron star quickly explode via beta decay? > > Brent > I worked this out using the old liquid drop model. A baseball sized neutron sphere would have a surface gravity of around 10^{14}m/s^2, as I

Re: C60 Interference

On 11/7/2019 5:01 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: There is no paradox.  It's just some hang up you have that a cat can't be dead and alive at the same time.  It's as though your physics was stuck in the time of Aristotle and words were magic so that "Alive implies not-dead." was a law

Re: C60 Interference

On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 12:01 PM Alan Grayson wrote: > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 5:25:56 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> On 11/7/2019 4:13 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> They've sent 2000-atom sized molecules through double slits. >>> >>> What about sending cats? >>> >>> >>> You will loss the

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 7:27:32 PM UTC-6, stathisp wrote: > > > > On Thu, 7 Nov 2019 at 11:15, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 11:00 AM Stathis Papaioannou > > wrote: >> >>> >>> The universe as a whole is determined in every detail, and random choice >>> of the

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 4:43:51 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/7/2019 2:32 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 3:53:12 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/7/2019 1:40 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >> On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 6:35 AM 'Brent Meeker'

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

On 11/7/2019 3:23 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 4:43:51 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 11/7/2019 2:32 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 3:53:12 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 11/7/2019 1:40 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote:

Re: C60 Interference

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 12:50:21 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/7/2019 6:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 6 Nov 2019, at 10:34, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 3:19:58 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 5 Nov 2019, at 02:53, Alan

Re: C60 Interference

On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 11:27 AM Alan Grayson wrote: > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 5:20:07 PM UTC-7, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 11:13 AM Alan Grayson wrote: >> >>> On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 12:50:21 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: Aside from the isolation

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

On 11/7/2019 4:35 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 6:16:45 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 11/7/2019 3:23 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: I've always been a propensitist [ https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/probability-interpret/#ProInt

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 6:55:47 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/7/2019 4:35 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 6:16:45 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/7/2019 3:23 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> I've always been a propensitist [ >>

Re: Panpsychism, materialism, and zombies

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 12:13:46 PM UTC-6, Eva wrote: > > Galen Strawson say that consciousness is matter. I don't think so. When I > am unconscious my brain does not dissapear. Strawson says (In the NYTimes article) that it's *the ordinary everyday picture of matter* that people

Re: C60 Interference

On 11/7/2019 4:13 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: They've sent 2000-atom sized molecules through double slits. What about sending cats? You will loss the ability to get the interference, because it is hugely more complex to isolate a cat from the environment, so its alive or

Re: What if Planet 9 is a Primordial Black Hole?

I would say if this is something exotic it may be a piece of neutron star. Neutron stars are largely a neutron liquid of sorts. When they collide this splash may hurl pieces of neutron liquid the size of a baseball on up. This baseball sized piece of neutron liquid would have the mass of our

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 6:16:45 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > A sample space implies statistics and a frequentist interpretation of > probability. > > No. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability_space A probability space consists of three parts: 1. 1. A *sample space*

Re: What if Planet 9 is a Primordial Black Hole?

Wouldn't a small piece of a neutron star quickly explode via beta decay? Brent On 11/7/2019 4:24 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: I would say if this is something exotic it may be a piece of neutron star. Neutron stars are largely a neutron liquid of sorts. When they collide this splash may hurl

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 6:16:45 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/7/2019 3:23 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > I've always been a propensitist [ > https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/probability-interpret/#ProInt ]. > > > Fine. But my point is that to connect beliefs, predictions,

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

On 11/7/2019 12:21 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 7:27:32 PM UTC-6, stathisp wrote: On Thu, 7 Nov 2019 at 11:15, Bruce Kellett > wrote: On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 11:00 AM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: The universe as a whole is

Re: Panpsychism, materialism, and zombies

On 11/7/2019 6:28 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 7:30:00 AM UTC-6, Eva wrote: Philip Goff did not say nothing substantial here. Anyway panpsychism is full of problems, most notably 'combination problem' so it is not viable position. Except (as

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 9:26 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 11/7/2019 1:58 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 8:53 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> On 11/7/2019 1:40 PM,

Re: BH question

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 11:41:11 AM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > On 11/6/2019 10:31 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 11:20:23 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 11/6/2019 9:00 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 7:17:21 PM UTC-7,

Re: BH question

On 11/7/2019 4:06 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 11:41:11 AM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/6/2019 10:31 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 11:20:23 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/6/2019 9:00 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 11:16 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Fine. But my point is that to connect beliefs, predictions, mathematical > theory, observations,...you need to be able to transfer one meaning of > probability to another. > I think

Re: C60 Interference

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 5:25:56 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/7/2019 4:13 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > They've sent 2000-atom sized molecules through double slits. >> >> What about sending cats? >> >> >> You will loss the ability to get the interference, because it is hugely >>