Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2019-01-05 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 6:24:03 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 3:41 AM > wrote: > > >> *> not all points external to an observer are receding at speed faster >> than light. Still, ISTM that inflation just preserves the temperature >> distribution which exists

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2019-01-05 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 1:40:22 AM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 5:46:18 AM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> If the temperature was non uniform when the BB occurred, if it occurred, >> why would a sudden increase in its volume, aka

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2019-01-05 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 1:40:22 AM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 5:46:18 AM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> If the temperature was non uniform when the BB occurred, if it occurred, >> why would a sudden increase in its volume, aka

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2019-01-01 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 6:24:03 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 3:41 AM > wrote: > > >> *> not all points external to an observer are receding at speed faster >> than light. Still, ISTM that inflation just preserves the temperature >> distribution which exists

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2019-01-01 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 3:41 AM wrote: > *> not all points external to an observer are receding at speed faster > than light. Still, ISTM that inflation just preserves the temperature > distribution which exists when it began,* The idea is before inflation a small volume was able to achieve

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2019-01-01 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 8:25:11 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 12:43:17 AM UTC, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:53 PM wrote: >> >> *> Where does the non conserved energy go, specifically the loss of >>> energy represented by

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2019-01-01 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 12:43:17 AM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:53 PM > > wrote: > > *> Where does the non conserved energy go, specifically the loss of energy >> represented by the cosmological red shift? AG* > > > If it's non-conserved then the energy went

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-30 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:53 PM wrote: *> Where does the non conserved energy go, specifically the loss of energy > represented by the cosmological red shift? AG* If it's non-conserved then the energy went into infinite unbounded homogeneity, that is to say into nothingness. At the

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-29 Thread agrayson2000
On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 12:17:34 AM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 4:53 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > >> If the creation of the inflaton required conditions that existed when >>> the universe was 10^-44 seconds old and inflation had decayed away when it >>> was

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-29 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 7:28 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: If the creation of the inflaton required conditions that existed when the universe was 10^-44 seconds old and inflation had decayed away when it was 10^-35 seconds old then the particle associated with the inflation field

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-28 Thread agrayson2000
On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 1:23:19 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 12:01 PM > > wrote: > >> On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 12:28:58 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 11:17 AM John Clark wrote: >>> On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 4:53 PM Bruce Kellett

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-28 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 12:01 PM wrote: > On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 12:28:58 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 11:17 AM John Clark wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 4:53 PM Bruce Kellett >>> wrote: >>> >>> >> If the creation of the inflaton required conditions that

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-28 Thread agrayson2000
On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 12:28:58 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 11:17 AM John Clark > wrote: > >> On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 4:53 PM Bruce Kellett > > wrote: >> >> >> If the creation of the inflaton required conditions that existed when the universe was 10^-44

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-28 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 11:17 AM John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 4:53 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > >> If the creation of the inflaton required conditions that existed when >>> the universe was 10^-44 seconds old and inflation had decayed away when it >>> was 10^-35 seconds old then

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-28 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 4:53 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: >> If the creation of the inflaton required conditions that existed when >> the universe was 10^-44 seconds old and inflation had decayed away when it >> was 10^-35 seconds old then the particle associated with the inflation >> field would

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-28 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 2:06 AM John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 5:14 AM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > > Why has the inflation not been seen at LHC? >>> >>> >> The LHC just went offline, when it comes back online after 2 years >>> of upgrades it should reach energies close to 15

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-28 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, December 28, 2018 at 10:14:13 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 10:52 AM John Clark > wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:35 PM Bruce Kellett > > wrote: >> >> > *You seem to be convinced by inflation theory. * >>> >> >> No I'm just playing devil's advocate. I'm not

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-28 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 5:14 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: > Why has the inflation not been seen at LHC? >>> >> >> >> The LHC just went offline, when it comes back online after 2 years of >> upgrades it should reach energies close to 15 TeV which corresponds to a >> temperature of 10^17 Kelvin, and

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-28 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 10:52 AM John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:35 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > > *You seem to be convinced by inflation theory. * >> > > No I'm just playing devil's advocate. I'm not convinced it's right I'm > just not convinced it's dead wrong as you seem to

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-27 Thread agrayson2000
On Thursday, December 27, 2018 at 4:43:23 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 26, 2018 at 3:30:58 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, December 26, 2018 at 2:37:59 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/25/2018 4:42 PM,

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-26 Thread agrayson2000
On Wednesday, December 26, 2018 at 3:30:58 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 26, 2018 at 2:37:59 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/25/2018 4:42 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 11:26:14 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>>

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-25 Thread agrayson2000
On Wednesday, December 26, 2018 at 2:37:59 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/25/2018 4:42 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 11:26:14 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/25/2018 8:01 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 25,

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-25 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/25/2018 4:42 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 11:26:14 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 12/25/2018 8:01 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 1:16:53 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 3:21 PM

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-25 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 11:26:14 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/25/2018 8:01 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 1:16:53 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 3:21 PM wrote: >> >> >> You can never prove that any physical

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-25 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/25/2018 8:01 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 1:16:53 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 3:21 PM > wrote: >> You can never prove that any physical quantity is exactly zero, but we do know from observations

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-25 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 1:16:53 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 3:21 PM > wrote: > > >> You can never prove that any physical quantity is exactly zero, but we >>> do know from observations of the cosmic microwave background radiation that >>> if the universe is

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-25 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 3:21 PM wrote: >> You can never prove that any physical quantity is exactly zero, but we >> do know from observations of the cosmic microwave background radiation that >> if the universe is curved at all it is by less than one part in 100,000. >> > *> Agreed. However,

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 7:05:10 AM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 1:53 AM > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 5:57:35 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 11:27 PM wrote: >>> On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 1:53 AM wrote: > > > On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 5:57:35 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 11:27 PM wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 2:13:46 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >>> wrote: On Tuesday, December

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 6:53:28 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 5:57:35 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 11:27 PM wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 2:13:46 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >>> wrote:

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 5:57:35 AM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 11:27 PM > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 2:13:46 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 12:35:24 AM UTC, Jason wrote:

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/24/2018 3:34 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 10:42:10 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 12/24/2018 1:04 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 8:25:11 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 11:27 PM wrote: > > > On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 2:13:46 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 12:35:24 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 6:28 PM wrote: >>> On Monday, December

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 2:13:46 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 12:35:24 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 6:28 PM wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 9:47:52 PM UTC, Jason wrote:

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 12:35:24 AM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 6:28 PM > wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 9:47:52 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:04 PM wrote: >>> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 6:28 PM wrote: > > > On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 9:47:52 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:04 PM wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 8:25:11 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >>> wrote: On Monday, December 24,

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:35 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > *You seem to be convinced by inflation theory. * > No I'm just playing devil's advocate. I'm not convinced it's right I'm just not convinced it's dead wrong as you seem to be. *> Why has the inflation not been seen at LHC?* > The LHC just

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 10:42:10 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/24/2018 1:04 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 8:25:11 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 6:40:03 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>>

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 9:47:52 PM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:04 PM > wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 8:25:11 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 6:40:03 AM UTC, Brent wrote:

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/24/2018 1:04 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 8:25:11 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 6:40:03 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 12/23/2018 8:22 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 8:44 AM wrote: > On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 9:35:05 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 4:43 AM John Clark wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 5:38 PM Bruce Kellett >>> wrote: >>> >>> *> Flatness is explained if the unknown parameter k in the FRW

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:04 PM wrote: > > > On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 8:25:11 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 6:40:03 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/23/2018 8:22 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, December

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 9:35:05 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 4:43 AM John Clark > wrote: > >> On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 5:38 PM Bruce Kellett > > wrote: >> >> *> Flatness is explained if the unknown parameter k in the FRW solution >>> is set to zero. The the universe

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 4:43 AM John Clark wrote: > On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 5:38 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > *> Flatness is explained if the unknown parameter k in the FRW solution is >> set to zero. The the universe is always flat, no need to fine tune. Setting >> k = 1 or k = -1 is just as

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 8:25:11 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 6:40:03 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/23/2018 8:22 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 3:50:33 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 5:52:21 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 7:47 PM > wrote: > > *> **If by "flat", you mean mathematically flat, like a plane extending >> infinitely in all directions, as opposed to asymptotically flat like a huge >> and expanding sphere,

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 6:40:03 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/23/2018 8:22 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 3:50:33 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/23/2018 4:47 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> *If by "flat", you mean mathematically

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 5:52:21 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 7:47 PM > wrote: > > *> **If by "flat", you mean mathematically flat, like a plane extending >> infinitely in all directions, as opposed to asymptotically flat like a huge >> and expanding sphere,

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 7:47 PM wrote: *> **If by "flat", you mean mathematically flat, like a plane extending > infinitely in all directions, as opposed to asymptotically flat like a huge > and expanding sphere, you have to reconcile an infinitesimally tiny > universe at the time of the BB,

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 5:38 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: *> Flatness is explained if the unknown parameter k in the FRW solution is > set to zero. The the universe is always flat, no need to fine tune. Setting > k = 1 or k = -1 is just as fine-tuned or not as k=0.* > There are an infinite number of

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 5:22:34 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:02 PM > wrote: > >> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 4:47:02 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 3:33 PM wrote: >>> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 4:22:24 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-23 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/23/2018 8:33 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 4:22:24 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 3:50:33 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 12/23/2018 4:47 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: *If by "flat", you mean

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-23 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/23/2018 8:22 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 3:50:33 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 12/23/2018 4:47 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: *If by "flat", you mean mathematically flat, like a plane extending infinitely in all directions, as opposed to

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-23 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:02 PM wrote: > On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 4:47:02 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 3:33 PM wrote: >> >>> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 4:22:24 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >>> wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 3:50:33 AM UTC,

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-23 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 3:50:33 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/23/2018 4:47 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > *If by "flat", you mean mathematically flat, like a plane extending > infinitely in all directions, as opposed to asymptotically flat like a huge > and expanding sphere,

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-23 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 4:47:02 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 3:33 PM > wrote: > >> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 4:22:24 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 3:50:33 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 12/23/2018 4:47 PM,

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-23 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 3:33 PM wrote: > On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 4:22:24 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 3:50:33 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>> On 12/23/2018 4:47 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> *If by "flat", you mean mathematically flat,

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-23 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 4:22:24 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 3:50:33 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/23/2018 4:47 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> *If by "flat", you mean mathematically flat, like a plane extending >> infinitely

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-23 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/23/2018 4:47 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: *If by "flat", you mean mathematically flat, like a plane extending infinitely in all directions, as opposed to asymptotically flat like a huge and expanding sphere,  you have to reconcile an infinitesimally tiny universe at the time of

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-23 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 10:38:00 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 1:38 AM John Clark > wrote: > >> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 11:32 PM Bruce Kellett > > wrote: >> >> *> The point is that inflation only solves the problem given certain >>> initial conditions. We have no

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-23 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 1:38 AM John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 11:32 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > *> The point is that inflation only solves the problem given certain >> initial conditions. We have no independent knowledge of those initial >> conditions, * > > > From observations

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-23 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 11:32 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: *> The point is that inflation only solves the problem given certain > initial conditions. We have no independent knowledge of those initial > conditions, * >From observations I think we do have a little knowledge about what those initial

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-23 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 3:27:35 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 3:04:07 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 1:17 PM John Clark wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 6:46 AM wrote: >>> >>> *> If the temperature was non uniform

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-22 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 3:05 PM John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 10:04 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > >>Regardless of how non-uniform the entire early universe may have been >>> if you kept looking at smaller and smaller volumes you'd eventually find a >>> size where thing were pretty

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-22 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 10:04 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: >>Regardless of how non-uniform the entire early universe may have been if >> you kept looking at smaller and smaller volumes you'd eventually find a >> size where thing were pretty uniform. >> > > *> On what do you bas that assumption? * >

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-22 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 3:04:07 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 1:17 PM John Clark > wrote: > >> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 6:46 AM > >> wrote: >> >> *> If the temperature was non uniform when the BB occurred, if it >>> occurred, why would a sudden increase in its

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-22 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 1:17 PM John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 6:46 AM wrote: > > *> If the temperature was non uniform when the BB occurred, if it >> occurred, why would a sudden increase in its volume, aka inflation, erase >> or wash out those non uniformities?* >> > > Regardless

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-22 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 2:17:14 AM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 6:46 AM > wrote: > > *> If the temperature was non uniform when the BB occurred, if it >> occurred, why would a sudden increase in its volume, aka inflation, erase >> or wash out those non

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-22 Thread agrayson2000
On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 10:08:37 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/22/2018 3:46 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > If the temperature was non uniform when the BB occurred, if it > > occurred, why would a sudden increase in its volume, aka inflation, > > erase or wash out those non

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-22 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 6:46 AM wrote: *> If the temperature was non uniform when the BB occurred, if it occurred, > why would a sudden increase in its volume, aka inflation, erase or wash out > those non uniformities?* > Regardless of how non-uniform the entire early universe may have been if

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-22 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/22/2018 3:46 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: If the temperature was non uniform when the BB occurred, if it occurred, why would a sudden increase in its volume, aka inflation, erase or wash out those non uniformities? ISTM, it would preserve them. It might preserve them, but it

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-22 Thread agrayson2000
On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 11:46:18 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > If the temperature was non uniform when the BB occurred, if it occurred, > why would a sudden increase in its volume, aka inflation, erase or wash out > those non uniformities? ISTM, it would preserve them.