of outsiders with very
different backgrounds can yield surprising insights. But I don’t
think this is one of those times. In fact, I think Deutsch’s
perspective on AGI is badly mistaken, and if widely adopted, would
slow down progress toward AGI dramatically. The real reasons we
don’t have AGI yet
On 09 Oct 2012, at 20:39, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/9/2012 12:28 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Oct 2012, at 13:22, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/9/2012 2:16 AM, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/8/2012 3:49 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Hi Russell,
Question: Why has little if any thought been
On 10/8/2012 3:49 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Hi Russell,
Question: Why has little if any thought been given in AGI to self-modeling and some
capacity to track the model of self under the evolutionary transformations?
It's probably because AI's have not needed to operate in environments
On 08.10.2012 20:45 Alberto G. Corona said the following:
Deutsch is right about the need to advance in Popperian
epistemology, which ultimately is evolutionary epistemology.
You may want to read Three Worlds by Karl Popper. Then you see where to
Popperian epistemology can evolve.
“To sum
2012/10/9 Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru:
On 08.10.2012 20:45 Alberto G. Corona said the following:
Deutsch is right about the need to advance in Popperian
epistemology, which ultimately is evolutionary epistemology.
You may want to read Three Worlds by Karl Popper. Then you see where to
On 10/9/2012 2:16 AM, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/8/2012 3:49 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Hi Russell,
Question: Why has little if any thought been given in AGI to
self-modeling and some capacity to track the model of self under the
evolutionary transformations?
It's probably because AI's
On 08 Oct 2012, at 20:50, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Deutsch is right.
Deutsch is not completely wrong, just unaware of the progress in
theoretical computer science, which explains why some paths are
necessarily long, and can help to avoid the confusion between
consciousness, intelligence,
On 08 Oct 2012, at 23:39, Russell Standish wrote:
On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 01:13:35PM -0400, Richard Ruquist wrote:
The real reasons we don’t have AGI yet
A response to David Deutsch’s recent article on AGI
October 8, 2012 by Ben Goertzel
Thanks for posting this, Richard. I was thinking
On 09 Oct 2012, at 08:16, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/8/2012 3:49 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Hi Russell,
Question: Why has little if any thought been given in AGI to
self-modeling and some capacity to track the model of self under
the evolutionary transformations?
It's probably because
then this is the perfect condition for a foundation of
eplistemology, and an absolute meaning of truth.
2012/10/9 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be:
On 08 Oct 2012, at 23:39, Russell Standish wrote:
On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 01:13:35PM -0400, Richard Ruquist wrote:
The real reasons we don’t have AGI yet
A response
On 10/9/2012 4:22 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/9/2012 2:16 AM, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/8/2012 3:49 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Hi Russell,
Question: Why has little if any thought been given in AGI to self-modeling and
some capacity to track the model of self under the evolutionary
On 09 Oct 2012, at 13:22, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/9/2012 2:16 AM, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/8/2012 3:49 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Hi Russell,
Question: Why has little if any thought been given in AGI to
self-modeling and some capacity to track the model of self under
the
On 10/9/2012 12:01 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/9/2012 4:22 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/9/2012 2:16 AM, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/8/2012 3:49 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Hi Russell,
Question: Why has little if any thought been given in AGI to
self-modeling and some capacity to track the
On 10/9/2012 12:28 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Oct 2012, at 13:22, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/9/2012 2:16 AM, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/8/2012 3:49 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Hi Russell,
Question: Why has little if any thought been given in AGI to
self-modeling and some capacity to
Maybe I will take you up on this - I think my uni library card expired
years ago, and its a PITA to renew.
However, since one doesn't need a mind to be creative (and my interest
is actually in mindless creative processes), I'm not sure exactly how
relevant something titled Mechanism of Mind it
It just may provide you that flash of insight you hanker for; that's my grand
hope, anyway.
here's a snippet:
There may be no reason to say something until after it has been said. Once it
has been said a context develops to support it, and yet it would never have
been produced by a context.
The real reasons we don’t have AGI yet
A response to David Deutsch’s recent article on AGI
October 8, 2012 by Ben Goertzel
(Credit: iStockphoto)
As we noted in a recent post, physicist David Deutsch said the field
of “artificial general intelligence” or AGI has made “no progress
whatever during
How David Deutsch can watch a computer beat the 2 best human Jeopardy!
players on planet Earth and then say that AI has made “no progress whatever
during the entire six decades of its existence” is a complete mystery to me.
John K Clark
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On 10/8/2012 1:13 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
except from
/The real reasons we don’t have AGI yet/
A response to David Deutsch’s recent article on AGI
October 8, 2012 by Ben Goertzel
So in this view, the main missing ingredient in AGI so far is
“cognitive synergy”: the fitting-together
Deutsch is right about the need to advance in Popperian epistemology,
which ultimately is evolutionary epistemology. How evolution makes a
portion of matter ascertain what is truth in virtue of what and for
what purpose. The idea of intelligence need a knowledge of what is
truth but also a motive
Deutsch is right. Searle is right. Genuine AGI can only come when thoughts
are driven by feeling and will rather than programmatic logic. It's a
fundamental misunderstanding to assume that feeling can be generated by
equipment which is incapable of caring about itself. Without personal
On 10/8/2012 11:45 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Deutsch is right about the need to advance in Popperian epistemology,
which ultimately is evolutionary epistemology. How evolution makes a
portion of matter ascertain what is truth in virtue of what and for
what purpose. The idea of intelligence
On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 01:13:35PM -0400, Richard Ruquist wrote:
The real reasons we don’t have AGI yet
A response to David Deutsch’s recent article on AGI
October 8, 2012 by Ben Goertzel
Thanks for posting this, Richard. I was thinking of writing my own
detailed response to David
On 10/8/2012 5:39 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 01:13:35PM -0400, Richard Ruquist wrote:
The real reasons we don’t have AGI yet
A response to David Deutsch’s recent article on AGI
October 8, 2012 by Ben Goertzel
Thanks for posting this, Richard. I was thinking
On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 06:49:12PM -0400, Stephen P. King wrote:
Hi Russell,
Question: Why has little if any thought been given in AGI to
self-modeling and some capacity to track the model of self under the
evolutionary transformations?
Its not my field - general evolutionary
On 10/8/2012 7:37 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 06:49:12PM -0400, Stephen P. King wrote:
Hi Russell,
Question: Why has little if any thought been given in AGI to
self-modeling and some capacity to track the model of self under the
evolutionary transformations?
Its
Please, please read Edward de Bono's book The Mechanism of Mind for some
genuine insights into creativity and how this comes about in mind. Russell if
you can't track down a copy I'll lend you mine but it's a treasured object, not
least because of the fact that the author autographed it!
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