RE: Cerification question
LOL! You crack me up Tom. The truth is just that funny! -Original Message- From: Tom Meunier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 4:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question They're all trying to fix their broken networks, and it's taking them awhile. That isn't part of the core curriculum, unfortunately. -Original Message- From: Filipe Joel de Almeida [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Monday, May 06, 2002 04:50 PM Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List Conversation: Cerification question Subject: RE: Cerification question There is a list just for MCSE and another for MCSD. I'm subscribed to both, but there hasn't been any post in the last 2 months ;) Filipe Joel de Almeida Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: +351 967819600 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: segunda-feira, 6 de Maio de 2002 14:59 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Isn't there a swynk list dedicated to certification banter? -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Why do we go through this every three to six months? William _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
Isn't there a swynk list dedicated to certification banter? -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Why do we go through this every three to six months? William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Soysal, Serdar Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Certs are not a sign of competency. They just mean that the person is capable of memorizing braindumps. I interviewed MCSEs that answered the question Explain your NT domain structure in your previous job with an answer like We had ATM coming to the back of our PCs. You've got to be careful with MCSEs that come with huge resumes. There are some ways you can tell if they're good or not though. For example if the candidate writes MCSE with a larger font than his own name, you probably have a clueless wall-licker in your hands. If a person doesn't have certification, it means that he/she has not sat through the tests. That person can be the most knowledgeable guy out there. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
There is a list just for MCSE and another for MCSD. I'm subscribed to both, but there hasn't been any post in the last 2 months ;) Filipe Joel de Almeida Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: +351 967819600 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: segunda-feira, 6 de Maio de 2002 14:59 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Isn't there a swynk list dedicated to certification banter? -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Why do we go through this every three to six months? William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Soysal, Serdar Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Certs are not a sign of competency. They just mean that the person is capable of memorizing braindumps. I interviewed MCSEs that answered the question Explain your NT domain structure in your previous job with an answer like We had ATM coming to the back of our PCs. You've got to be careful with MCSEs that come with huge resumes. There are some ways you can tell if they're good or not though. For example if the candidate writes MCSE with a larger font than his own name, you probably have a clueless wall-licker in your hands. If a person doesn't have certification, it means that he/she has not sat through the tests. That person can be the most knowledgeable guy out there. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto
RE: Cerification question
getting ready to be flamed On the other side, on the Red Hat certification list there is a lot of activity... /getting ready to be flamed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tom Meunier Sent: segunda-feira, 6 de Maio de 2002 22:43 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question They're all trying to fix their broken networks, and it's taking them awhile. That isn't part of the core curriculum, unfortunately. -Original Message- From: Filipe Joel de Almeida [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Monday, May 06, 2002 04:50 PM Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List Conversation: Cerification question Subject: RE: Cerification question There is a list just for MCSE and another for MCSD. I'm subscribed to both, but there hasn't been any post in the last 2 months ;) Filipe Joel de Almeida Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: +351 967819600 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: segunda-feira, 6 de Maio de 2002 14:59 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Isn't there a swynk list dedicated to certification banter? -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Why do we go through this every three to six months? William _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
Do you have the link to sign up for that list? -Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Filipe Joel de Almeida Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 3:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question getting ready to be flamed On the other side, on the Red Hat certification list there is a lot of activity... /getting ready to be flamed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tom Meunier Sent: segunda-feira, 6 de Maio de 2002 22:43 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question They're all trying to fix their broken networks, and it's taking them awhile. That isn't part of the core curriculum, unfortunately. -Original Message- From: Filipe Joel de Almeida [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Monday, May 06, 2002 04:50 PM Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List Conversation: Cerification question Subject: RE: Cerification question There is a list just for MCSE and another for MCSD. I'm subscribed to both, but there hasn't been any post in the last 2 months ;) Filipe Joel de Almeida Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: +351 967819600 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: segunda-feira, 6 de Maio de 2002 14:59 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Isn't there a swynk list dedicated to certification banter? -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Why do we go through this every three to six months? William _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
Doesn't that depend on what the person pursuing the certification wants? I mean, on what scale are you determining the 'best'? Cisco is not a certification. They have several different certs. William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
Jack of all trades, master of none? kidding... Mostly -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chuck Bryant Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:04 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Multiple, varied, certifications seems to make more sense in terms of flexible career options. -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] == Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in this electronic document is considered a confidential and/or privileged communication between John Burnham Insurance Services and the addressee(s). If the recipient(s) of this email communication is not the addressee(s), such recipient(s) is strictly prohibited from photocopying, distributing or otherwise using this email or its contents and/or attachment(s) in any way. If you received this message in error, please contact the sender listed above by any contact means listed. Thank you! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
Why do we go through this every three to six months? William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Soysal, Serdar Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Certs are not a sign of competency. They just mean that the person is capable of memorizing braindumps. I interviewed MCSEs that answered the question Explain your NT domain structure in your previous job with an answer like We had ATM coming to the back of our PCs. You've got to be careful with MCSEs that come with huge resumes. There are some ways you can tell if they're good or not though. For example if the candidate writes MCSE with a larger font than his own name, you probably have a clueless wall-licker in your hands. If a person doesn't have certification, it means that he/she has not sat through the tests. That person can be the most knowledgeable guy out there. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
New people. Old pissed off people. Etc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 8:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Why do we go through this every three to six months? William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Soysal, Serdar Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Certs are not a sign of competency. They just mean that the person is capable of memorizing braindumps. I interviewed MCSEs that answered the question Explain your NT domain structure in your previous job with an answer like We had ATM coming to the back of our PCs. You've got to be careful with MCSEs that come with huge resumes. There are some ways you can tell if they're good or not though. For example if the candidate writes MCSE with a larger font than his own name, you probably have a clueless wall-licker in your hands. If a person doesn't have certification, it means that he/she has not sat through the tests. That person can be the most knowledgeable guy out there. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
Hi, Have you got any of those certificates? I suppose that you do not have! There is an expression in Turkey that is Kedi uzanamad ciere mndar der. I do not know the English version of the expression. It might be If the cat will not get the meat, he/she thinks that it must be BAD. Volkan MSc Engineer MCP -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Soysal, Serdar Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Certs are not a sign of competency. They just mean that the person is capable of memorizing braindumps. I interviewed MCSEs that answered the question Explain your NT domain structure in your previous job with an answer like We had ATM coming to the back of our PCs. You've got to be careful with MCSEs that come with huge resumes. There are some ways you can tell if they're good or not though. For example if the candidate writes MCSE with a larger font than his own name, you probably have a clueless wall-licker in your hands. If a person doesn't have certification, it means that he/she has not sat through the tests. That person can be the most knowledgeable guy out there. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
I second Office Space, two thumbs up. -Original Message- From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 5:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Office Space -Original Message- From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 5:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Clerks was better -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question mallrats (classic) a really messed up movie that made me go what the hell did i watch was (Lost Highway) -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Ok so I was wrong and BlockBuster does carry it.. Silly me, when will I realize that Cooperate America rules all that is molecular... http://www.blockbuster.com/bb/movie/details/0,7286,VID-V+++237115,00.html? ~John -Original Message- From: Orr, Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question So where does one find this film? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I just caught it last week, and was blown away. After watching it, I immediately played it again with the director's commentary. Who knew Bubble Boy could act? -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:15 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I know that this is wyyy OT, but if you haven't watched 'Donnie Darko' yet, then go out and rent it..!! Trust me it is amazing, and not (sic) like some of my favz. It is an indy flick so BlockBuster most likely doesn't carry it... www.donniedarko.com Seriously this film is a dark comedy and is the best flick I have seen in awhile. A refreshing change from Patriotic inspired Police society big explosion trash.. -Original Message- From: Chinnery Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Dang right, you're disfunctional with Clockwork Organge being one of your favorites. I didn't care for a bit; although Malcom McDowell (sic?) was good in it. Now, if you're looking for a favorite off-the-wall movie,I'd vote for Being John Malcovich. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question 2001 A Space Odyssey Clockwork Orange Full Metal Jacket Does that mean that I should only work for a dysfunctional company...? -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Well, I just realized that my three current favorites really aren't chick flicks, so maybe I misspoke. But there's no Monty Python, so... 1. Dogma 2. Apollo 13 3. 12 Angry Men They may up my estrogen allotment when they find out about this, though... - Original Message - From: Randal, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: RE: Cerification question Go on, tell us, and we can put it to the test :-) Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2002 16:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question That is so not fair. I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say, neandrathal, in their choices. M _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin
RE: Cerification question
-Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2002 00:32 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Nope. Haven't taken a single test. Call me lazy. aol me too /aol I've taken a fair few tests and wouldn't mind finishing off the w2k MCSE someday but generally I'm far too busy actually doing the stuff to sit around taking tests about it. My reluctance to take tests when I could be doing productive work instead hasn't really hurt my career - whenever I've decided I really wanted a particular job I've always got as far as interviewing for it. -- Robert Moir, MSMVP Senior IT Systems Engineer, Luton Sixth Form College Rome did not create a mighty empire by having management meetings -- This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by persons or unauthorized employees of the intended organisations is strictly prohibited. The contents of this email do not necessarily represent the views or policies of Luton Sixth Form College, its employees or students. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Clueless Wall-licker? I'm jotting that one down. Does it mean anything, or just sound cool? Dale L. Orr Microsoft Certified Professional (no brain dumps other than my own) -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Certs are not a sign of competency. They just mean that the person is capable of memorizing braindumps. I interviewed MCSEs that answered the question Explain your NT domain structure in your previous job with an answer like We had ATM coming to the back of our PCs. You've got to be careful with MCSEs that come with huge resumes. There are some ways you can tell if they're good or not though. For example if the candidate writes MCSE with a larger font than his own name, you probably have a clueless wall-licker in your hands. If a person doesn't have certification, it means that he/she has not sat through the tests. That person can be the most knowledgeable guy out there. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
Mmm. Wallls.. Slurp! -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 3:55 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Cerification question Subject: RE: Cerification question Certs are not a sign of competency. They just mean that the person is capable of memorizing braindumps. I interviewed MCSEs that answered the question Explain your NT domain structure in your previous job with an answer like We had ATM coming to the back of our PCs. You've got to be careful with MCSEs that come with huge resumes. There are some ways you can tell if they're good or not though. For example if the candidate writes MCSE with a larger font than his own name, you probably have a clueless wall-licker in your hands. If a person doesn't have certification, it means that he/she has not sat through the tests. That person can be the most knowledgeable guy out there. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
I deal with (new and different) people daily who have worked with Exchange for years but don't know their database from their check file. I wouldn't let them within 20 feet of any Exchange server that I worked on but they are the hired Exchange expert for their company. The fact is that people are people, and certified people are not inherently better than experienced people or vice versa. I think that the best bet is the person who realizes that, regardless of how much he knows, he does not know everything and is always willing and wanting to learn more than he currently knows. -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:43 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Cerification question Subject: RE: Cerification question Very good points. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question You people talk like you can't have both. Sure there are some paper MCSEs out there but there are also many MCSEs that have mucho experience. Most hiring managers, all things being equal will look at experience first but... then certs. Additionally while experience is the best there are people that have worked in one environment for so long that they know NOTHING about any other capabilities of the hardware/software. They are nearly as bad as the paper MSCE because the scope of their knowledge is so very limited and because of their experience think the only way to run a network is the way they did it at their last job. At least the Paper boyz know they are limited, are willing to learn, cost half as much and don't cause half the drama the experience guy does. They piss me off so much more, that and they usually have no idea as to WHY their last network was set up that way but that it is just the best way. Experience is NOT always the best qualifier either _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
I am probably already in contact with them. We tend to find each other wherever we go. -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 5:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I know a couple others already. It could be a technical witches coven. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Florea Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 3:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Cool. You should create a course and offer a cert in it...I'd sign up! -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question No shit. Most of these companies don't know that many of us don't have certs, but are most definitely the best person for the job. It is their loss. never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. Bullshit. I am fully versed in witchcraft. -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 3:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Shiminy. I was with ya until you hired the MCSE instead of me. - Original Message - From: Gordon Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives
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No backup in the form of a person, plenty of tape backup -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 5:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question No backup? --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Romeo, Matthew Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I would agree,this comes from someone managing a 10,000 users 6 exchange server site with no back up and no certs (and no problems). Experience is where it is at. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Certs are not a sign of competency. They just mean that the person is capable of memorizing braindumps. I interviewed MCSEs that answered the question Explain your NT domain structure in your previous job with an answer like We had ATM coming to the back of our PCs. You've got to be careful with MCSEs that come with huge resumes. There are some ways you can tell if they're good or not though. For example if the candidate writes MCSE with a larger font than his own name, you probably have a clueless wall-licker in your hands. If a person doesn't have certification, it means that he/she has not sat through the tests. That person can be the most knowledgeable guy out there. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource
RE: Cerification question
I have been conducting all my interviews wrong..!!! -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question This may sound odd but there is one golden question that will tell you exactly if the candidate will fit the group or not: What are your three favorite movies? If the person likes similar movies as the general team and sounds smart, than he/she is a good buy. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Stephen Mynhier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I deal with (new and different) people daily who have worked with Exchange for years but don't know their database from their check file. I wouldn't let them within 20 feet of any Exchange server that I worked on but they are the hired Exchange expert for their company. The fact is that people are people, and certified people are not inherently better than experienced people or vice versa. I think that the best bet is the person who realizes that, regardless of how much he knows, he does not know everything and is always willing and wanting to learn more than he currently knows. -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:43 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Cerification question Subject: RE: Cerification question Very good points. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question You people talk like you can't have both. Sure there are some paper MCSEs out there but there are also many MCSEs that have mucho experience. Most hiring managers, all things being equal will look at experience first but... then certs. Additionally while experience is the best there are people that have worked in one environment for so long that they know NOTHING about any other capabilities of the hardware/software. They are nearly as bad as the paper MSCE because the scope of their knowledge is so very limited and because of their experience think the only way to run a network is the way they did it at their last job. At least the Paper boyz know they are limited, are willing to learn, cost half as much and don't cause half the drama the experience guy does. They piss me off so much more, that and they usually have no idea as to WHY their last network was set up that way but that it is just the best way. Experience is NOT always the best qualifier either _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
Hmm. Maybe that explains why I'm such a pariah: I don't go to movies! -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question This may sound odd but there is one golden question that will tell you exactly if the candidate will fit the group or not: What are your three favorite movies? If the person likes similar movies as the general team and sounds smart, than he/she is a good buy. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Stephen Mynhier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I deal with (new and different) people daily who have worked with Exchange for years but don't know their database from their check file. I wouldn't let them within 20 feet of any Exchange server that I worked on but they are the hired Exchange expert for their company. The fact is that people are people, and certified people are not inherently better than experienced people or vice versa. I think that the best bet is the person who realizes that, regardless of how much he knows, he does not know everything and is always willing and wanting to learn more than he currently knows. -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:43 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Cerification question Subject: RE: Cerification question Very good points. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question You people talk like you can't have both. Sure there are some paper MCSEs out there but there are also many MCSEs that have mucho experience. Most hiring managers, all things being equal will look at experience first but... then certs. Additionally while experience is the best there are people that have worked in one environment for so long that they know NOTHING about any other capabilities of the hardware/software. They are nearly as bad as the paper MSCE because the scope of their knowledge is so very limited and because of their experience think the only way to run a network is the way they did it at their last job. At least the Paper boyz know they are limited, are willing to learn, cost half as much and don't cause half the drama the experience guy does. They piss me off so much more, that and they usually have no idea as to WHY their last network was set up that way but that it is just the best way. Experience is NOT always the best qualifier either _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cerification question
What are the 3 movies? - Original Message - From: Soysal, Serdar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:34 AM Subject: RE: Cerification question This may sound odd but there is one golden question that will tell you exactly if the candidate will fit the group or not: What are your three favorite movies? If the person likes similar movies as the general team and sounds smart, than he/she is a good buy. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Stephen Mynhier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I deal with (new and different) people daily who have worked with Exchange for years but don't know their database from their check file. I wouldn't let them within 20 feet of any Exchange server that I worked on but they are the hired Exchange expert for their company. The fact is that people are people, and certified people are not inherently better than experienced people or vice versa. I think that the best bet is the person who realizes that, regardless of how much he knows, he does not know everything and is always willing and wanting to learn more than he currently knows. -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:43 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Cerification question Subject: RE: Cerification question Very good points. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question You people talk like you can't have both. Sure there are some paper MCSEs out there but there are also many MCSEs that have mucho experience. Most hiring managers, all things being equal will look at experience first but... then certs. Additionally while experience is the best there are people that have worked in one environment for so long that they know NOTHING about any other capabilities of the hardware/software. They are nearly as bad as the paper MSCE because the scope of their knowledge is so very limited and because of their experience think the only way to run a network is the way they did it at their last job. At least the Paper boyz know they are limited, are willing to learn, cost half as much and don't cause half the drama the experience guy does. They piss me off so much more, that and they usually have no idea as to WHY their last network was set up that way but that it is just the best way. Experience is NOT always the best qualifier either _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
Any anyone can get in a car and crash it. And anyone can get on a server .. H. -Original Message- From: Jerzy Setmajer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2002 16:45 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question I do not understand what is all the fuss about. I would like to point out that nobody here said that having a cert could hurt you. That means that it will be either ignored or it will help you. NO? Meaningless paper? Perhaps, but so is your driver's license. Does not mean you are a good driver, but you can't rent a car without it. Jerzy Setmajer From: King, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2002/05/02 Thu AM 10:41:39 EDT To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Cerification question I have been conducting all my interviews wrong..!!! -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question This may sound odd but there is one golden question that will tell you exactly if the candidate will fit the group or not: What are your three favorite movies? If the person likes similar movies as the general team and sounds smart, than he/she is a good buy. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Stephen Mynhier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I deal with (new and different) people daily who have worked with Exchange for years but don't know their database from their check file. I wouldn't let them within 20 feet of any Exchange server that I worked on but they are the hired Exchange expert for their company. The fact is that people are people, and certified people are not inherently better than experienced people or vice versa. I think that the best bet is the person who realizes that, regardless of how much he knows, he does not know everything and is always willing and wanting to learn more than he currently knows. -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:43 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Cerification question Subject: RE: Cerification question Very good points. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question You people talk like you can't have both. Sure there are some paper MCSEs out there but there are also many MCSEs that have mucho experience. Most hiring managers, all things being equal will look at experience first but... then certs. Additionally while experience is the best there are people that have worked in one environment for so long that they know NOTHING about any other capabilities of the hardware/software. They are nearly as bad as the paper MSCE because the scope of their knowledge is so very limited and because of their experience think the only way to run a network is the way they did it at their last job. At least the Paper boyz know they are limited, are willing to learn, cost half as much and don't cause half the drama the experience guy does. They piss me off so much more, that and they usually have no idea as to WHY their last network was set up that way but that it is just the best way. Experience is NOT always the best qualifier either _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin
RE: Cerification question
Umm that's a tough one... there are so many which are excellent and mode dependant. Could I use set's of movie's? like could I group all the Monthy Python's together say as a group and make that 1 selection out of the three? Could I group say all Mel Brooks movies together...etc NO just choose only three independent films...wow remote island thing going here. What about music? Thx I guess I'll have to turn down the job There's just not enough flexibility here thx for the opportunity ;-) bill -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question This may sound odd but there is one golden question that will tell you exactly if the candidate will fit the group or not: What are your three favorite movies? If the person likes similar movies as the general team and sounds smart, than he/she is a good buy. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Stephen Mynhier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I deal with (new and different) people daily who have worked with Exchange for years but don't know their database from their check file. I wouldn't let them within 20 feet of any Exchange server that I worked on but they are the hired Exchange expert for their company. The fact is that people are people, and certified people are not inherently better than experienced people or vice versa. I think that the best bet is the person who realizes that, regardless of how much he knows, he does not know everything and is always willing and wanting to learn more than he currently knows. -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:43 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Cerification question Subject: RE: Cerification question Very good points. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question You people talk like you can't have both. Sure there are some paper MCSEs out there but there are also many MCSEs that have mucho experience. Most hiring managers, all things being equal will look at experience first but... then certs. Additionally while experience is the best there are people that have worked in one environment for so long that they know NOTHING about any other capabilities of the hardware/software. They are nearly as bad as the paper MSCE because the scope of their knowledge is so very limited and because of their experience think the only way to run a network is the way they did it at their last job. At least the Paper boyz know they are limited, are willing to learn, cost half as much and don't cause half the drama the experience guy does. They piss me off so much more, that and they usually have no idea as to WHY their last network was set up that way but that it is just the best way. Experience is NOT always the best qualifier either _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RE: Cerification question
But that analogy doesnt quite fit. You are required by law to have a license in order to drive. Companies who require certifications as a minimal standard for hiring are only cutting themselves off from many talented professionals. -Original Message- From: Jerzy Setmajer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: RE: Cerification question I do not understand what is all the fuss about. I would like to point out that nobody here said that having a cert could hurt you. That means that it will be either ignored or it will help you. NO? Meaningless paper? Perhaps, but so is your driver's license. Does not mean you are a good driver, but you can't rent a car without it. Jerzy Setmajer From: King, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2002/05/02 Thu AM 10:41:39 EDT To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Cerification question I have been conducting all my interviews wrong..!!! -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question This may sound odd but there is one golden question that will tell you exactly if the candidate will fit the group or not: What are your three favorite movies? If the person likes similar movies as the general team and sounds smart, than he/she is a good buy. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Stephen Mynhier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I deal with (new and different) people daily who have worked with Exchange for years but don't know their database from their check file. I wouldn't let them within 20 feet of any Exchange server that I worked on but they are the hired Exchange expert for their company. The fact is that people are people, and certified people are not inherently better than experienced people or vice versa. I think that the best bet is the person who realizes that, regardless of how much he knows, he does not know everything and is always willing and wanting to learn more than he currently knows. -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:43 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Cerification question Subject: RE: Cerification question Very good points. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question You people talk like you can't have both. Sure there are some paper MCSEs out there but there are also many MCSEs that have mucho experience. Most hiring managers, all things being equal will look at experience first but... then certs. Additionally while experience is the best there are people that have worked in one environment for so long that they know NOTHING about any other capabilities of the hardware/software. They are nearly as bad as the paper MSCE because the scope of their knowledge is so very limited and because of their experience think the only way to run a network is the way they did it at their last job. At least the Paper boyz know they are limited, are willing to learn, cost half as much and don't cause half the drama the experience guy does. They piss me off so much more, that and they usually have no idea as to WHY their last network was set up that way but that it is just the best way. Experience is NOT always the best qualifier either _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http
Re: Cerification question
That is so not fair. I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say, neandrathal, in their choices. M - Original Message - From: Soysal, Serdar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:34 AM Subject: RE: Cerification question This may sound odd but there is one golden question that will tell you exactly if the candidate will fit the group or not: What are your three favorite movies? If the person likes similar movies as the general team and sounds smart, than he/she is a good buy. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Stephen Mynhier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I deal with (new and different) people daily who have worked with Exchange for years but don't know their database from their check file. I wouldn't let them within 20 feet of any Exchange server that I worked on but they are the hired Exchange expert for their company. The fact is that people are people, and certified people are not inherently better than experienced people or vice versa. I think that the best bet is the person who realizes that, regardless of how much he knows, he does not know everything and is always willing and wanting to learn more than he currently knows. -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:43 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Cerification question Subject: RE: Cerification question Very good points. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question You people talk like you can't have both. Sure there are some paper MCSEs out there but there are also many MCSEs that have mucho experience. Most hiring managers, all things being equal will look at experience first but... then certs. Additionally while experience is the best there are people that have worked in one environment for so long that they know NOTHING about any other capabilities of the hardware/software. They are nearly as bad as the paper MSCE because the scope of their knowledge is so very limited and because of their experience think the only way to run a network is the way they did it at their last job. At least the Paper boyz know they are limited, are willing to learn, cost half as much and don't cause half the drama the experience guy does. They piss me off so much more, that and they usually have no idea as to WHY their last network was set up that way but that it is just the best way. Experience is NOT always the best qualifier either _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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While I agree, it's hard to put that on your resume. I'd rather hire people like me that don't immediately assume there's only one way to set up a network, and screw up the network even more because they don't why know things were done the way they were done. But again, while you can put that in the cover letter, you don't even know if they read it. I agree with the certs not being a measure of ability, just like you've probably met doctors, lawyers, certified ASE mechanics, etc, that aren't too good. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stephen Mynhier Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 5:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I deal with (new and different) people daily who have worked with Exchange for years but don't know their database from their check file. I wouldn't let them within 20 feet of any Exchange server that I worked on but they are the hired Exchange expert for their company. The fact is that people are people, and certified people are not inherently better than experienced people or vice versa. I think that the best bet is the person who realizes that, regardless of how much he knows, he does not know everything and is always willing and wanting to learn more than he currently knows. -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:43 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Cerification question Subject: RE: Cerification question Very good points. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question You people talk like you can't have both. Sure there are some paper MCSEs out there but there are also many MCSEs that have mucho experience. Most hiring managers, all things being equal will look at experience first but... then certs. Additionally while experience is the best there are people that have worked in one environment for so long that they know NOTHING about any other capabilities of the hardware/software. They are nearly as bad as the paper MSCE because the scope of their knowledge is so very limited and because of their experience think the only way to run a network is the way they did it at their last job. At least the Paper boyz know they are limited, are willing to learn, cost half as much and don't cause half the drama the experience guy does. They piss me off so much more, that and they usually have no idea as to WHY their last network was set up that way but that it is just the best way. Experience is NOT always the best qualifier either _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Go on, tell us, and we can put it to the test :-) Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2002 16:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question That is so not fair. I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say, neandrathal, in their choices. M _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2002 16:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question That is so not fair. I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say, neandrathal, in their choices. It's about as fair as hiring or not based on the 4 little letters M, C, S E. (or CCIP or whatever) Those who can, do, and might get the 4 little letters if they have time. Those who can't, get the 4 little letters via braindumps or boot camps and expect to be hired on the strength of knowing what DHCP stands for even tho they never installed it on a production server. -- This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by persons or unauthorized employees of the intended organisations is strictly prohibited. The contents of this email do not necessarily represent the views or policies of Luton Sixth Form College, its employees or students. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ugh Ugh Ugh -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:05 AM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Cerification question Subject: Re: Cerification question That is so not fair. I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say, neandrathal, in their choices. M - Original Message - From: Soysal, Serdar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:34 AM Subject: RE: Cerification question This may sound odd but there is one golden question that will tell you exactly if the candidate will fit the group or not: What are your three favorite movies? If the person likes similar movies as the general team and sounds smart, than he/she is a good buy. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Stephen Mynhier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I deal with (new and different) people daily who have worked with Exchange for years but don't know their database from their check file. I wouldn't let them within 20 feet of any Exchange server that I worked on but they are the hired Exchange expert for their company. The fact is that people are people, and certified people are not inherently better than experienced people or vice versa. I think that the best bet is the person who realizes that, regardless of how much he knows, he does not know everything and is always willing and wanting to learn more than he currently knows. -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:43 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Cerification question Subject: RE: Cerification question Very good points. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question You people talk like you can't have both. Sure there are some paper MCSEs out there but there are also many MCSEs that have mucho experience. Most hiring managers, all things being equal will look at experience first but... then certs. Additionally while experience is the best there are people that have worked in one environment for so long that they know NOTHING about any other capabilities of the hardware/software. They are nearly as bad as the paper MSCE because the scope of their knowledge is so very limited and because of their experience think the only way to run a network is the way they did it at their last job. At least the Paper boyz know they are limited, are willing to learn, cost half as much and don't cause half the drama the experience guy does. They piss me off so much more, that and they usually have no idea as to WHY their last network was set up that way but that it is just the best way. Experience is NOT always the best qualifier either _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well, I just realized that my three current favorites really aren't chick flicks, so maybe I misspoke. But there's no Monty Python, so... 1. Dogma 2. Apollo 13 3. 12 Angry Men They may up my estrogen allotment when they find out about this, though... - Original Message - From: Randal, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: RE: Cerification question Go on, tell us, and we can put it to the test :-) Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2002 16:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question That is so not fair. I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say, neandrathal, in their choices. M _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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My point is that having a cert can't hurt you. It might help you put your foot in a door that could be closed otherwise. Now, Why the door could be closed is another issue altogether, and I agree with you there. I am looking at it from the employee perspective. Jerzy Setmajer From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2002/05/02 Thu AM 10:54:52 EDT To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: RE: Cerification question But that analogy doesnt quite fit. You are required by law to have a license in order to drive. Companies who require certifications as a minimal standard for hiring are only cutting themselves off from many talented professionals. -Original Message- From: Jerzy Setmajer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: RE: Cerification question I do not understand what is all the fuss about. I would like to point out that nobody here said that having a cert could hurt you. That means that it will be either ignored or it will help you. NO? Meaningless paper? Perhaps, but so is your driver's license. Does not mean you are a good driver, but you can't rent a car without it. Jerzy Setmajer From: King, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2002/05/02 Thu AM 10:41:39 EDT To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Cerification question I have been conducting all my interviews wrong..!!! -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question This may sound odd but there is one golden question that will tell you exactly if the candidate will fit the group or not: What are your three favorite movies? If the person likes similar movies as the general team and sounds smart, than he/she is a good buy. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Stephen Mynhier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I deal with (new and different) people daily who have worked with Exchange for years but don't know their database from their check file. I wouldn't let them within 20 feet of any Exchange server that I worked on but they are the hired Exchange expert for their company. The fact is that people are people, and certified people are not inherently better than experienced people or vice versa. I think that the best bet is the person who realizes that, regardless of how much he knows, he does not know everything and is always willing and wanting to learn more than he currently knows. -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:43 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Cerification question Subject: RE: Cerification question Very good points. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question You people talk like you can't have both. Sure there are some paper MCSEs out there but there are also many MCSEs that have mucho experience. Most hiring managers, all things being equal will look at experience first but... then certs. Additionally while experience is the best there are people that have worked in one environment for so long that they know NOTHING about any other capabilities of the hardware/software. They are nearly as bad as the paper MSCE because the scope of their knowledge is so very limited and because of their experience think the only way to run a network is the way they did it at their last job. At least the Paper boyz know they are limited, are willing to learn, cost half as much and don't cause half the drama the experience guy does. They piss me off so much more, that and they usually have no idea as to WHY their last network was set up that way but that it is just the best way. Experience is NOT always the best qualifier either _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm
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Isnt that a Kentucky Wedding? ;) Beaten paths are for beaten men. Eric A. Johnston (1842 - 1914) US journalist, short-story writer. - Original Message - From: John Allhiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:46 PM Subject: RE: Cerification question This argument is like a Missouri wedding: all relative. John Allhiser CCNP MCSE Network Engineer Generali Reassurance (Kansas side) -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 3:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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2001 A Space Odyssey Clockwork Orange Full Metal Jacket Does that mean that I should only work for a dysfunctional company...? -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Well, I just realized that my three current favorites really aren't chick flicks, so maybe I misspoke. But there's no Monty Python, so... 1. Dogma 2. Apollo 13 3. 12 Angry Men They may up my estrogen allotment when they find out about this, though... - Original Message - From: Randal, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: RE: Cerification question Go on, tell us, and we can put it to the test :-) Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2002 16:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question That is so not fair. I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say, neandrathal, in their choices. M _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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If you're coming to work here, and I see a line of certs that wrap to the next line on your resume, I will do everything in my power to kill it. Period. Without an interview. I see that many certs, and it sets off all sorts of red flags. Most especially if it says CNA, CNE, MCNE, MCP, MCSE, MCSE+I... or something like that. But having *a* cert shouldn't hurt I guess. Not that I've come across too many certified folks who can touch our staff of non-certified folks, including the instructors of the certification classes. I really should do my part to let this misspelled thread die... -Original Message- From: Jerzy Setmajer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:28 AM Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List Conversation: RE: Cerification question Subject: RE: RE: Cerification question My point is that having a cert can't hurt you. It might help you put your foot in a door that could be closed otherwise. Now, Why the door could be closed is another issue altogether, and I agree with you there. I am looking at it from the employee perspective. Jerzy Setmajer _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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There you go. You're hired. Oops. Didn't mean to place a curse on you like that. Sorry. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Well, I just realized that my three current favorites really aren't chick flicks, so maybe I misspoke. But there's no Monty Python, so... 1. Dogma 2. Apollo 13 3. 12 Angry Men They may up my estrogen allotment when they find out about this, though... - Original Message - From: Randal, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: RE: Cerification question Go on, tell us, and we can put it to the test :-) Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2002 16:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question That is so not fair. I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say, neandrathal, in their choices. M _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I feel better now. - Original Message - From: Soysal, Serdar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:52 PM Subject: RE: Cerification question There you go. You're hired. Oops. Didn't mean to place a curse on you like that. Sorry. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Well, I just realized that my three current favorites really aren't chick flicks, so maybe I misspoke. But there's no Monty Python, so... 1. Dogma 2. Apollo 13 3. 12 Angry Men They may up my estrogen allotment when they find out about this, though... - Original Message - From: Randal, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: RE: Cerification question Go on, tell us, and we can put it to the test :-) Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2002 16:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question That is so not fair. I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say, neandrathal, in their choices. M _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dang right, you're disfunctional with Clockwork Organge being one of your favorites. I didn't care for a bit; although Malcom McDowell (sic?) was good in it. Now, if you're looking for a favorite off-the-wall movie,I'd vote for Being John Malcovich. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question 2001 A Space Odyssey Clockwork Orange Full Metal Jacket Does that mean that I should only work for a dysfunctional company...? -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Well, I just realized that my three current favorites really aren't chick flicks, so maybe I misspoke. But there's no Monty Python, so... 1. Dogma 2. Apollo 13 3. 12 Angry Men They may up my estrogen allotment when they find out about this, though... - Original Message - From: Randal, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: RE: Cerification question Go on, tell us, and we can put it to the test :-) Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2002 16:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question That is so not fair. I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say, neandrathal, in their choices. M _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I know that this is wyyy OT, but if you haven't watched 'Donnie Darko' yet, then go out and rent it..!! Trust me it is amazing, and not (sic) like some of my favz. It is an indy flick so BlockBuster most likely doesn't carry it... www.donniedarko.com Seriously this film is a dark comedy and is the best flick I have seen in awhile. A refreshing change from Patriotic inspired Police society big explosion trash.. -Original Message- From: Chinnery Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Dang right, you're disfunctional with Clockwork Organge being one of your favorites. I didn't care for a bit; although Malcom McDowell (sic?) was good in it. Now, if you're looking for a favorite off-the-wall movie,I'd vote for Being John Malcovich. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question 2001 A Space Odyssey Clockwork Orange Full Metal Jacket Does that mean that I should only work for a dysfunctional company...? -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Well, I just realized that my three current favorites really aren't chick flicks, so maybe I misspoke. But there's no Monty Python, so... 1. Dogma 2. Apollo 13 3. 12 Angry Men They may up my estrogen allotment when they find out about this, though... - Original Message - From: Randal, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: RE: Cerification question Go on, tell us, and we can put it to the test :-) Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2002 16:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question That is so not fair. I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say, neandrathal, in their choices. M _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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An off the wall movie is Army of Darkness. This is a big time B movie. -Original Message- From: Chinnery Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Dang right, you're disfunctional with Clockwork Organge being one of your favorites. I didn't care for a bit; although Malcom McDowell (sic?) was good in it. Now, if you're looking for a favorite off-the-wall movie,I'd vote for Being John Malcovich. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question 2001 A Space Odyssey Clockwork Orange Full Metal Jacket Does that mean that I should only work for a dysfunctional company...? -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Well, I just realized that my three current favorites really aren't chick flicks, so maybe I misspoke. But there's no Monty Python, so... 1. Dogma 2. Apollo 13 3. 12 Angry Men They may up my estrogen allotment when they find out about this, though... - Original Message - From: Randal, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: RE: Cerification question Go on, tell us, and we can put it to the test :-) Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2002 16:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question That is so not fair. I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say, neandrathal, in their choices. M _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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1. Life of Brian 2. Crimson Tide 3. Boys from Brazil -- Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange2000 List owner www.exchange-mail.org www.sharepointserver.com -- - Original Message - From: King, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 7:51 PM Subject: RE: Cerification question 2001 A Space Odyssey Clockwork Orange Full Metal Jacket Does that mean that I should only work for a dysfunctional company...? -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Well, I just realized that my three current favorites really aren't chick flicks, so maybe I misspoke. But there's no Monty Python, so... 1. Dogma 2. Apollo 13 3. 12 Angry Men They may up my estrogen allotment when they find out about this, though... - Original Message - From: Randal, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: RE: Cerification question Go on, tell us, and we can put it to the test :-) Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2002 16:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question That is so not fair. I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say, neandrathal, in their choices. M _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Netflix.com, same place one finds all the other ones. -Original Message- From: Orr, Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Thursday, May 02, 2002 01:57 PM Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List Conversation: Cerification question Subject: RE: Cerification question So where does one find this film? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I just caught it last week, and was blown away. After watching it, I immediately played it again with the director's commentary. Who knew Bubble Boy could act? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ok so I was wrong and BlockBuster does carry it.. Silly me, when will I realize that Cooperate America rules all that is molecular... http://www.blockbuster.com/bb/movie/details/0,7286,VID-V+++237115,00.html? ~John -Original Message- From: Orr, Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question So where does one find this film? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I just caught it last week, and was blown away. After watching it, I immediately played it again with the director's commentary. Who knew Bubble Boy could act? -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:15 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I know that this is wyyy OT, but if you haven't watched 'Donnie Darko' yet, then go out and rent it..!! Trust me it is amazing, and not (sic) like some of my favz. It is an indy flick so BlockBuster most likely doesn't carry it... www.donniedarko.com Seriously this film is a dark comedy and is the best flick I have seen in awhile. A refreshing change from Patriotic inspired Police society big explosion trash.. -Original Message- From: Chinnery Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Dang right, you're disfunctional with Clockwork Organge being one of your favorites. I didn't care for a bit; although Malcom McDowell (sic?) was good in it. Now, if you're looking for a favorite off-the-wall movie,I'd vote for Being John Malcovich. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question 2001 A Space Odyssey Clockwork Orange Full Metal Jacket Does that mean that I should only work for a dysfunctional company...? -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Well, I just realized that my three current favorites really aren't chick flicks, so maybe I misspoke. But there's no Monty Python, so... 1. Dogma 2. Apollo 13 3. 12 Angry Men They may up my estrogen allotment when they find out about this, though... - Original Message - From: Randal, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: RE: Cerification question Go on, tell us, and we can put it to the test :-) Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2002 16:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question That is so not fair. I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say, neandrathal, in their choices. M _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin
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mallrats (classic) a really messed up movie that made me go what the hell did i watch was (Lost Highway) -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Ok so I was wrong and BlockBuster does carry it.. Silly me, when will I realize that Cooperate America rules all that is molecular... http://www.blockbuster.com/bb/movie/details/0,7286,VID-V+++237115,00.html? ~John -Original Message- From: Orr, Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question So where does one find this film? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I just caught it last week, and was blown away. After watching it, I immediately played it again with the director's commentary. Who knew Bubble Boy could act? -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:15 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I know that this is wyyy OT, but if you haven't watched 'Donnie Darko' yet, then go out and rent it..!! Trust me it is amazing, and not (sic) like some of my favz. It is an indy flick so BlockBuster most likely doesn't carry it... www.donniedarko.com Seriously this film is a dark comedy and is the best flick I have seen in awhile. A refreshing change from Patriotic inspired Police society big explosion trash.. -Original Message- From: Chinnery Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Dang right, you're disfunctional with Clockwork Organge being one of your favorites. I didn't care for a bit; although Malcom McDowell (sic?) was good in it. Now, if you're looking for a favorite off-the-wall movie,I'd vote for Being John Malcovich. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question 2001 A Space Odyssey Clockwork Orange Full Metal Jacket Does that mean that I should only work for a dysfunctional company...? -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Well, I just realized that my three current favorites really aren't chick flicks, so maybe I misspoke. But there's no Monty Python, so... 1. Dogma 2. Apollo 13 3. 12 Angry Men They may up my estrogen allotment when they find out about this, though... - Original Message - From: Randal, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: RE: Cerification question Go on, tell us, and we can put it to the test :-) Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2002 16:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question That is so not fair. I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say, neandrathal, in their choices. M _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL
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The three movies you don't want to hear (in the order they were given) are: You've got Mail Gone with the Wind - note that the reason given was something other than the burning of Atlanta. And ... the remake of Three Men and a Baby. Those three answers, unheeded, resulted in a wall-licking troglodyte with an MCSE. I agree with Serdar completely. That question should always be the deciding one in a hiring situation. Tom. -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question What are the 3 movies? - Original Message - From: Soysal, Serdar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:34 AM Subject: RE: Cerification question This may sound odd but there is one golden question that will tell you exactly if the candidate will fit the group or not: What are your three favorite movies? If the person likes similar movies as the general team and sounds smart, than he/she is a good buy. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Stephen Mynhier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I deal with (new and different) people daily who have worked with Exchange for years but don't know their database from their check file. I wouldn't let them within 20 feet of any Exchange server that I worked on but they are the hired Exchange expert for their company. The fact is that people are people, and certified people are not inherently better than experienced people or vice versa. I think that the best bet is the person who realizes that, regardless of how much he knows, he does not know everything and is always willing and wanting to learn more than he currently knows. -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:43 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Cerification question Subject: RE: Cerification question Very good points. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question You people talk like you can't have both. Sure there are some paper MCSEs out there but there are also many MCSEs that have mucho experience. Most hiring managers, all things being equal will look at experience first but... then certs. Additionally while experience is the best there are people that have worked in one environment for so long that they know NOTHING about any other capabilities of the hardware/software. They are nearly as bad as the paper MSCE because the scope of their knowledge is so very limited and because of their experience think the only way to run a network is the way they did it at their last job. At least the Paper boyz know they are limited, are willing to learn, cost half as much and don't cause half the drama the experience guy does. They piss me off so much more, that and they usually have no idea as to WHY their last network was set up that way but that it is just the best way. Experience is NOT always the best qualifier either _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp
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1. History of the World, Part I 2. Star Wars Trilogy 3. J. S. Superstar -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question 1. Life of Brian 2. Crimson Tide 3. Boys from Brazil -- Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange2000 List owner www.exchange-mail.org www.sharepointserver.com -- - Original Message - From: King, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 7:51 PM Subject: RE: Cerification question 2001 A Space Odyssey Clockwork Orange Full Metal Jacket Does that mean that I should only work for a dysfunctional company...? -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Well, I just realized that my three current favorites really aren't chick flicks, so maybe I misspoke. But there's no Monty Python, so... 1. Dogma 2. Apollo 13 3. 12 Angry Men They may up my estrogen allotment when they find out about this, though... - Original Message - From: Randal, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: RE: Cerification question Go on, tell us, and we can put it to the test :-) Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2002 16:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question That is so not fair. I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say, neandrathal, in their choices. M _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Poop. J. C., not J. S.. -Original Message- From: David Florea Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question 1. History of the World, Part I 2. Star Wars Trilogy 3. J. S. Superstar -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question 1. Life of Brian 2. Crimson Tide 3. Boys from Brazil -- Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange2000 List owner www.exchange-mail.org www.sharepointserver.com -- - Original Message - From: King, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 7:51 PM Subject: RE: Cerification question 2001 A Space Odyssey Clockwork Orange Full Metal Jacket Does that mean that I should only work for a dysfunctional company...? -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Well, I just realized that my three current favorites really aren't chick flicks, so maybe I misspoke. But there's no Monty Python, so... 1. Dogma 2. Apollo 13 3. 12 Angry Men They may up my estrogen allotment when they find out about this, though... - Original Message - From: Randal, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: RE: Cerification question Go on, tell us, and we can put it to the test :-) Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2002 16:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question That is so not fair. I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say, neandrathal, in their choices. M _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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1. Blade Runner 2. Godfather 1 2 3. Pulp Fiction Mario Fernandez Network Administrator DataSynapse 632 Broadway 5th Floor New York, NY 10012 tel. (212) 842-8849 fax. (212) 842-8843 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] View the DataSynapse email disclaimer here: e-mail disclaimer http://www.datasynapse.com/legal/emailprivacy.jsp -Original Message- From: David Florea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 16:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Poop. J. C., not J. S.. -Original Message- From: David Florea Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question 1. History of the World, Part I 2. Star Wars Trilogy 3. J. S. Superstar -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question 1. Life of Brian 2. Crimson Tide 3. Boys from Brazil -- Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange2000 List owner www.exchange-mail.org www.sharepointserver.com -- - Original Message - From: King, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 7:51 PM Subject: RE: Cerification question 2001 A Space Odyssey Clockwork Orange Full Metal Jacket Does that mean that I should only work for a dysfunctional company...? -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Well, I just realized that my three current favorites really aren't chick flicks, so maybe I misspoke. But there's no Monty Python, so... 1. Dogma 2. Apollo 13 3. 12 Angry Men They may up my estrogen allotment when they find out about this, though... - Original Message - From: Randal, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: RE: Cerification question Go on, tell us, and we can put it to the test :-) Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2002 16:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question That is so not fair. I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say, neandrathal, in their choices. M _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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1. Dazed and Confused 2. Fast Times at Ridgemont High 3. Half Baked Ugh, you don't do drug tests for your positions do you? -Original Message- From: Mario Fernandez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 4:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question 1. Blade Runner 2. Godfather 1 2 3. Pulp Fiction Mario Fernandez Network Administrator DataSynapse 632 Broadway 5th Floor New York, NY 10012 tel. (212) 842-8849 fax. (212) 842-8843 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] View the DataSynapse email disclaimer here: e-mail disclaimer http://www.datasynapse.com/legal/emailprivacy.jsp -Original Message- From: David Florea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 16:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Poop. J. C., not J. S.. -Original Message- From: David Florea Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question 1. History of the World, Part I 2. Star Wars Trilogy 3. J. S. Superstar -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question 1. Life of Brian 2. Crimson Tide 3. Boys from Brazil -- Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange2000 List owner www.exchange-mail.org www.sharepointserver.com -- - Original Message - From: King, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 7:51 PM Subject: RE: Cerification question 2001 A Space Odyssey Clockwork Orange Full Metal Jacket Does that mean that I should only work for a dysfunctional company...? -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Well, I just realized that my three current favorites really aren't chick flicks, so maybe I misspoke. But there's no Monty Python, so... 1. Dogma 2. Apollo 13 3. 12 Angry Men They may up my estrogen allotment when they find out about this, though... - Original Message - From: Randal, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: RE: Cerification question Go on, tell us, and we can put it to the test :-) Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2002 16:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question That is so not fair. I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say, neandrathal, in their choices. M _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin
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For a minute I thought they finally made a movie about me. -Original Message- From: David Florea [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 4:04 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Poop. J. C., not J. S.. -Original Message- From: David Florea Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question 1. History of the World, Part I 2. Star Wars Trilogy 3. J. S. Superstar -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question 1. Life of Brian 2. Crimson Tide 3. Boys from Brazil -- Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange2000 List owner www.exchange-mail.org www.sharepointserver.com -- - Original Message - From: King, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 7:51 PM Subject: RE: Cerification question 2001 A Space Odyssey Clockwork Orange Full Metal Jacket Does that mean that I should only work for a dysfunctional company...? -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Well, I just realized that my three current favorites really aren't chick flicks, so maybe I misspoke. But there's no Monty Python, so... 1. Dogma 2. Apollo 13 3. 12 Angry Men They may up my estrogen allotment when they find out about this, though... - Original Message - From: Randal, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: RE: Cerification question Go on, tell us, and we can put it to the test :-) Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2002 16:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question That is so not fair. I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say, neandrathal, in their choices. M _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That is a really good movie and if you have a strong stomach and imagination you should check out the prequil.. EVIL DEAD series.. Excellent stuff.. -Original Message- From: Glaman, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question An off the wall movie is Army of Darkness. This is a big time B movie. -Original Message- From: Chinnery Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Dang right, you're disfunctional with Clockwork Organge being one of your favorites. I didn't care for a bit; although Malcom McDowell (sic?) was good in it. Now, if you're looking for a favorite off-the-wall movie,I'd vote for Being John Malcovich. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question 2001 A Space Odyssey Clockwork Orange Full Metal Jacket Does that mean that I should only work for a dysfunctional company...? -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Well, I just realized that my three current favorites really aren't chick flicks, so maybe I misspoke. But there's no Monty Python, so... 1. Dogma 2. Apollo 13 3. 12 Angry Men They may up my estrogen allotment when they find out about this, though... - Original Message - From: Randal, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: RE: Cerification question Go on, tell us, and we can put it to the test :-) Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2002 16:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question That is so not fair. I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say, neandrathal, in their choices. M _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ab Mmm Bruce Campbell!! ab --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of King, John Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That is a really good movie and if you have a strong stomach and imagination you should check out the prequil.. EVIL DEAD series.. Excellent stuff.. -Original Message- From: Glaman, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question An off the wall movie is Army of Darkness. This is a big time B movie. -Original Message- From: Chinnery Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Dang right, you're disfunctional with Clockwork Organge being one of your favorites. I didn't care for a bit; although Malcom McDowell (sic?) was good in it. Now, if you're looking for a favorite off-the-wall movie,I'd vote for Being John Malcovich. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question 2001 A Space Odyssey Clockwork Orange Full Metal Jacket Does that mean that I should only work for a dysfunctional company...? -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Well, I just realized that my three current favorites really aren't chick flicks, so maybe I misspoke. But there's no Monty Python, so... 1. Dogma 2. Apollo 13 3. 12 Angry Men They may up my estrogen allotment when they find out about this, though... - Original Message - From: Randal, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: RE: Cerification question Go on, tell us, and we can put it to the test :-) Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2002 16:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question That is so not fair. I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say, neandrathal, in their choices. M _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Office Space -Original Message- From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 5:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Clerks was better -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question mallrats (classic) a really messed up movie that made me go what the hell did i watch was (Lost Highway) -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Ok so I was wrong and BlockBuster does carry it.. Silly me, when will I realize that Cooperate America rules all that is molecular... http://www.blockbuster.com/bb/movie/details/0,7286,VID-V+++237115,00.html? ~John -Original Message- From: Orr, Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question So where does one find this film? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I just caught it last week, and was blown away. After watching it, I immediately played it again with the director's commentary. Who knew Bubble Boy could act? -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:15 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I know that this is wyyy OT, but if you haven't watched 'Donnie Darko' yet, then go out and rent it..!! Trust me it is amazing, and not (sic) like some of my favz. It is an indy flick so BlockBuster most likely doesn't carry it... www.donniedarko.com Seriously this film is a dark comedy and is the best flick I have seen in awhile. A refreshing change from Patriotic inspired Police society big explosion trash.. -Original Message- From: Chinnery Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Dang right, you're disfunctional with Clockwork Organge being one of your favorites. I didn't care for a bit; although Malcom McDowell (sic?) was good in it. Now, if you're looking for a favorite off-the-wall movie,I'd vote for Being John Malcovich. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question 2001 A Space Odyssey Clockwork Orange Full Metal Jacket Does that mean that I should only work for a dysfunctional company...? -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Well, I just realized that my three current favorites really aren't chick flicks, so maybe I misspoke. But there's no Monty Python, so... 1. Dogma 2. Apollo 13 3. 12 Angry Men They may up my estrogen allotment when they find out about this, though... - Original Message - From: Randal, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: RE: Cerification question Go on, tell us, and we can put it to the test :-) Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2002 16:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question That is so not fair. I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say, neandrathal, in their choices. M _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch
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Wraith w/ Charlie Sheen? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Glaman, Mark Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Ok how aboutThe Raith very cool movie -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question mallrats (classic) a really messed up movie that made me go what the hell did i watch was (Lost Highway) -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Ok so I was wrong and BlockBuster does carry it.. Silly me, when will I realize that Cooperate America rules all that is molecular... http://www.blockbuster.com/bb/movie/details/0,7286,VID-V+++237115,00.html? ~John -Original Message- From: Orr, Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question So where does one find this film? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I just caught it last week, and was blown away. After watching it, I immediately played it again with the director's commentary. Who knew Bubble Boy could act? -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:15 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I know that this is wyyy OT, but if you haven't watched 'Donnie Darko' yet, then go out and rent it..!! Trust me it is amazing, and not (sic) like some of my favz. It is an indy flick so BlockBuster most likely doesn't carry it... www.donniedarko.com Seriously this film is a dark comedy and is the best flick I have seen in awhile. A refreshing change from Patriotic inspired Police society big explosion trash.. -Original Message- From: Chinnery Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Dang right, you're disfunctional with Clockwork Organge being one of your favorites. I didn't care for a bit; although Malcom McDowell (sic?) was good in it. Now, if you're looking for a favorite off-the-wall movie,I'd vote for Being John Malcovich. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question 2001 A Space Odyssey Clockwork Orange Full Metal Jacket Does that mean that I should only work for a dysfunctional company...? -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Well, I just realized that my three current favorites really aren't chick flicks, so maybe I misspoke. But there's no Monty Python, so... 1. Dogma 2. Apollo 13 3. 12 Angry Men They may up my estrogen allotment when they find out about this, though... - Original Message - From: Randal, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: RE: Cerification question Go on, tell us, and we can put it to the test :-) Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2002 16:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question That is so not fair. I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say, neandrathal, in their choices. M _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource
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Office space reminds me way too much of a place I used to work at. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mellott, Bill Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Office Space -Original Message- From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 5:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Clerks was better -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question mallrats (classic) a really messed up movie that made me go what the hell did i watch was (Lost Highway) -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Ok so I was wrong and BlockBuster does carry it.. Silly me, when will I realize that Cooperate America rules all that is molecular... http://www.blockbuster.com/bb/movie/details/0,7286,VID-V+++237115,00.htm l? ~John -Original Message- From: Orr, Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question So where does one find this film? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I just caught it last week, and was blown away. After watching it, I immediately played it again with the director's commentary. Who knew Bubble Boy could act? -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:15 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I know that this is wyyy OT, but if you haven't watched 'Donnie Darko' yet, then go out and rent it..!! Trust me it is amazing, and not (sic) like some of my favz. It is an indy flick so BlockBuster most likely doesn't carry it... www.donniedarko.com Seriously this film is a dark comedy and is the best flick I have seen in awhile. A refreshing change from Patriotic inspired Police society big explosion trash.. -Original Message- From: Chinnery Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Dang right, you're disfunctional with Clockwork Organge being one of your favorites. I didn't care for a bit; although Malcom McDowell (sic?) was good in it. Now, if you're looking for a favorite off-the-wall movie,I'd vote for Being John Malcovich. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question 2001 A Space Odyssey Clockwork Orange Full Metal Jacket Does that mean that I should only work for a dysfunctional company...? -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Well, I just realized that my three current favorites really aren't chick flicks, so maybe I misspoke. But there's no Monty Python, so... 1. Dogma 2. Apollo 13 3. 12 Angry Men They may up my estrogen allotment when they find out about this, though... - Original Message - From: Randal, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: RE: Cerification question Go on, tell us, and we can put it to the test :-) Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2002 16:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question That is so not fair. I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say, neandrathal, in their choices. M _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp
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ok so spelling is not my strong point.. Yep that's the one.. I've been trying to find it on DVD -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Wraith w/ Charlie Sheen? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Glaman, Mark Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Ok how aboutThe Raith very cool movie -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question mallrats (classic) a really messed up movie that made me go what the hell did i watch was (Lost Highway) -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Ok so I was wrong and BlockBuster does carry it.. Silly me, when will I realize that Cooperate America rules all that is molecular... http://www.blockbuster.com/bb/movie/details/0,7286,VID-V+++237115,00.html? ~John -Original Message- From: Orr, Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question So where does one find this film? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I just caught it last week, and was blown away. After watching it, I immediately played it again with the director's commentary. Who knew Bubble Boy could act? -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:15 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I know that this is wyyy OT, but if you haven't watched 'Donnie Darko' yet, then go out and rent it..!! Trust me it is amazing, and not (sic) like some of my favz. It is an indy flick so BlockBuster most likely doesn't carry it... www.donniedarko.com Seriously this film is a dark comedy and is the best flick I have seen in awhile. A refreshing change from Patriotic inspired Police society big explosion trash.. -Original Message- From: Chinnery Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Dang right, you're disfunctional with Clockwork Organge being one of your favorites. I didn't care for a bit; although Malcom McDowell (sic?) was good in it. Now, if you're looking for a favorite off-the-wall movie,I'd vote for Being John Malcovich. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question 2001 A Space Odyssey Clockwork Orange Full Metal Jacket Does that mean that I should only work for a dysfunctional company...? -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Well, I just realized that my three current favorites really aren't chick flicks, so maybe I misspoke. But there's no Monty Python, so... 1. Dogma 2. Apollo 13 3. 12 Angry Men They may up my estrogen allotment when they find out about this, though... - Original Message - From: Randal, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: RE: Cerification question Go on, tell us, and we can put it to the test :-) Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2002 16:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question That is so not fair. I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say, neandrathal, in their choices. M _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives
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http://www.fast-rewind.com/index.html - Seems to be either in a UK or AU format. I did a google search for Wraith DVD and got a few hits. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Glaman, Mark Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question ok so spelling is not my strong point.. Yep that's the one.. I've been trying to find it on DVD -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Wraith w/ Charlie Sheen? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Glaman, Mark Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Ok how aboutThe Raith very cool movie -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question mallrats (classic) a really messed up movie that made me go what the hell did i watch was (Lost Highway) -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Ok so I was wrong and BlockBuster does carry it.. Silly me, when will I realize that Cooperate America rules all that is molecular... http://www.blockbuster.com/bb/movie/details/0,7286,VID-V+++237115,00.html? ~John -Original Message- From: Orr, Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question So where does one find this film? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I just caught it last week, and was blown away. After watching it, I immediately played it again with the director's commentary. Who knew Bubble Boy could act? -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:15 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I know that this is wyyy OT, but if you haven't watched 'Donnie Darko' yet, then go out and rent it..!! Trust me it is amazing, and not (sic) like some of my favz. It is an indy flick so BlockBuster most likely doesn't carry it... www.donniedarko.com Seriously this film is a dark comedy and is the best flick I have seen in awhile. A refreshing change from Patriotic inspired Police society big explosion trash.. -Original Message- From: Chinnery Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Dang right, you're disfunctional with Clockwork Organge being one of your favorites. I didn't care for a bit; although Malcom McDowell (sic?) was good in it. Now, if you're looking for a favorite off-the-wall movie,I'd vote for Being John Malcovich. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question 2001 A Space Odyssey Clockwork Orange Full Metal Jacket Does that mean that I should only work for a dysfunctional company...? -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Well, I just realized that my three current favorites really aren't chick flicks, so maybe I misspoke. But there's no Monty Python, so... 1. Dogma 2. Apollo 13 3. 12 Angry Men They may up my estrogen allotment when they find out about this, though... - Original Message - From: Randal, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: RE: Cerification question Go on, tell us, and we can put it to the test :-) Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2002 16:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question That is so not fair. I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say, neandrathal, in their choices. M _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http
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Yes good, but not Kevin Smith... -Original Message- From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 4:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Office Space -Original Message- From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 5:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Clerks was better -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question mallrats (classic) a really messed up movie that made me go what the hell did i watch was (Lost Highway) -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Ok so I was wrong and BlockBuster does carry it.. Silly me, when will I realize that Cooperate America rules all that is molecular... http://www.blockbuster.com/bb/movie/details/0,7286,VID-V+++237115,00.html? ~John -Original Message- From: Orr, Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question So where does one find this film? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I just caught it last week, and was blown away. After watching it, I immediately played it again with the director's commentary. Who knew Bubble Boy could act? -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:15 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I know that this is wyyy OT, but if you haven't watched 'Donnie Darko' yet, then go out and rent it..!! Trust me it is amazing, and not (sic) like some of my favz. It is an indy flick so BlockBuster most likely doesn't carry it... www.donniedarko.com Seriously this film is a dark comedy and is the best flick I have seen in awhile. A refreshing change from Patriotic inspired Police society big explosion trash.. -Original Message- From: Chinnery Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Dang right, you're disfunctional with Clockwork Organge being one of your favorites. I didn't care for a bit; although Malcom McDowell (sic?) was good in it. Now, if you're looking for a favorite off-the-wall movie,I'd vote for Being John Malcovich. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr -Original Message- From: King, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question 2001 A Space Odyssey Clockwork Orange Full Metal Jacket Does that mean that I should only work for a dysfunctional company...? -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Well, I just realized that my three current favorites really aren't chick flicks, so maybe I misspoke. But there's no Monty Python, so... 1. Dogma 2. Apollo 13 3. 12 Angry Men They may up my estrogen allotment when they find out about this, though... - Original Message - From: Randal, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: RE: Cerification question Go on, tell us, and we can put it to the test :-) Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2002 16:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question That is so not fair. I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say, neandrathal, in their choices. M _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL
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Depends what you want to do now doesn't it. I'm an E-mail Administrator. I have an Exchange server and an iPlanet Mail server. I should know about Windows 2000, Active Directory, SMTP, Exchange, iPlanet, Sun, etc. Having an understanding of TCP/IP is nice, but I don't need to know how to configure a Cisco router. That's not what I do. That's why we have a Network Adminstrator. To say Cisco is the premier certification is bull crap. That's like saying everyone should become a Lawyer because that is the premier field to study. Steve Evans Computing Services SDSU Foundation 619 594-0653 -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Multiple, varied, certifications seems to make more sense in terms of flexible career options. -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] == Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in this electronic document is considered a confidential and/or privileged communication between John Burnham Insurance Services and the addressee(s). If the recipient(s) of this email communication is not the addressee(s), such recipient(s) is strictly prohibited from photocopying, distributing or otherwise using this email or its contents and/or attachment(s) in any way. If you received this message in error, please contact the sender listed above by any contact means listed. Thank you! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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the problem is fiting all those letters after your name on your business card and then having room for something really useful like your e-mail address and phone number ;-) bill Alphabet soup anyone -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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If you want to do messaging\AD stuff.get the MS certs. If you want to do Cisco stuffget the Cisco certs If you want to do bothget both. If you are going to go get a job working with AD\Exchange 2ka Cisco cert won't get you as far as the MS certs (with regards to that stack of resumes that the hiring manager has to go through)IMO and visa-versa if you are going for a Network Engineer spot. Get certified in what you want to do.live it...learn itlove it. Certifications aren't always what you need. Nothing is a substitute for real world experience. A certification is a way to make yourself stand out in a stack of resumes. Your experience and knowledge is what should get you the job. My opinion of course. I'm sure others will disagree...but you did as for an opinion. }: Steve -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Unpainted brick. John Allhiser CCNP MCSE Network Engineer Generali Reassurance -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Shiminy. Get a CCIE if you want the most impressive one. But be prepared to beat your head upside a few brick walls during the process. Get an MCSE if you work with MS stuff. Get the simple CCNA if you're into basic routing. There really is no best cert out there. Horses for courses and all that... - Original Message - From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:57 PM Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Get a refund! -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Let me rephrase that: Lets see you've been out of college for 3 months and have your MCSENext or Let see you've been out of college for 3 months and have your CCIENext See the difference.. -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Tell me about it.. Look at all the letters I have... --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mellott, Bill Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question the problem is fiting all those letters after your name on your business card and then having room for something really useful like your e-mail address and phone number ;-) bill Alphabet soup anyone -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Shiminy. Get a CCIE if you want the most impressive one. But be prepared to beat your head upside a few brick walls during the process. Get an MCSE if you work with MS stuff. Get the simple CCNA if you're into basic routing. There really is no best cert out there. Horses for courses and all that... - Original Message - From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:57 PM Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Could we rephrase this? How about: Which went to a braindump or bootcamp got his paper certification with no real-world experience would you be quickest to lock out of your server room for fear that he might touch something? -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:58 PM Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List Conversation: Cerification question Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Kevin, Do YOU even remember what all those letters stand for anymore? ;0) Jim Blunt -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:23 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Tell me about it.. Look at all the letters I have... --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mellott, Bill Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question the problem is fiting all those letters after your name on your business card and then having room for something really useful like your e-mail address and phone number ;-) bill Alphabet soup anyone -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sure do.. I have a website that details my never ending Quest for newer, and better certifications to make me smarter. Some day I might even learn to type.. ... . .. . --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Blunt, James H (Jim) Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Kevin, Do YOU even remember what all those letters stand for anymore? ;0) Jim Blunt -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:23 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Tell me about it.. Look at all the letters I have... --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mellott, Bill Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question the problem is fiting all those letters after your name on your business card and then having room for something really useful like your e-mail address and phone number ;-) bill Alphabet soup anyone -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
Depends on what you want to be when you grow up. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
So to you the lack of a MCSE means they werent interested in educating themselves? Sheesh. Sounds like you need some education yourself. -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify Veronis Suhler Stevenson by telephone (212)935-4990, fax (212)381-8168, or email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and delete the message. Thank you. == _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cerification question
Shiminy. I was with ya until you hired the MCSE instead of me. - Original Message - From: Gordon Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
This argument is like a Missouri wedding: all relative. John Allhiser CCNP MCSE Network Engineer Generali Reassurance (Kansas side) -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 3:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
So because you had a paper MCSE, and a very little experience, you chose to say that they were lazy because they didn't have their MCSE? Don't follow the logic. Jeff -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question They had very little experience, and I asked them what the last book they read and neither could name a book- would you hire them? But you are right, I could use some education, no denying that. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question So to you the lack of a MCSE means they werent interested in educating themselves? Sheesh. Sounds like you need some education yourself. -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify Veronis Suhler Stevenson by telephone (212)935-4990, fax (212)381-8168, or email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and delete the message. Thank you. == _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com
RE: Cerification question
I have yet to pick up an exchange or Cisco Book. Infact I was given my first exchange book just yesterday by a friend. Have not had the time to read them. Yet I have worked with installs as large 30,000 users in exchange, As a hired consultant. Yesterday I added a few new T1's to a few of the 100's of routers the company I work for, as a day job, owns. I am solely responsible for all of those routers as well the rest of the network and a 5,000 user install of Exchange. Books and paper mean very little... Would you hire a paper MCSE over me? Would you hire someone who could Quote the OSI model over me? Why memorize what I have one the wall and in Text files. --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gordon Olson Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question They had very little experience, and I asked them what the last book they read and neither could name a book- would you hire them? But you are right, I could use some education, no denying that. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question So to you the lack of a MCSE means they werent interested in educating themselves? Sheesh. Sounds like you need some education yourself. -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify Veronis Suhler Stevenson by telephone (212)935-4990, fax (212)381-8168, or email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and delete the message. Thank you. == _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource
RE: Cerification question
Thank You! -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I have yet to pick up an exchange or Cisco Book. Infact I was given my first exchange book just yesterday by a friend. Have not had the time to read them. Yet I have worked with installs as large 30,000 users in exchange, As a hired consultant. Yesterday I added a few new T1's to a few of the 100's of routers the company I work for, as a day job, owns. I am solely responsible for all of those routers as well the rest of the network and a 5,000 user install of Exchange. Books and paper mean very little... Would you hire a paper MCSE over me? Would you hire someone who could Quote the OSI model over me? Why memorize what I have one the wall and in Text files. --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gordon Olson Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question They had very little experience, and I asked them what the last book they read and neither could name a book- would you hire them? But you are right, I could use some education, no denying that. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question So to you the lack of a MCSE means they werent interested in educating themselves? Sheesh. Sounds like you need some education yourself. -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify Veronis Suhler Stevenson by telephone (212)935-4990, fax (212)381-8168, or email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and delete the message. Thank you
RE: Cerification question
Certs are not a sign of competency. They just mean that the person is capable of memorizing braindumps. I interviewed MCSEs that answered the question Explain your NT domain structure in your previous job with an answer like We had ATM coming to the back of our PCs. You've got to be careful with MCSEs that come with huge resumes. There are some ways you can tell if they're good or not though. For example if the candidate writes MCSE with a larger font than his own name, you probably have a clueless wall-licker in your hands. If a person doesn't have certification, it means that he/she has not sat through the tests. That person can be the most knowledgeable guy out there. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
You, and others on this list, have for whatever reason been able to get past this certification ceiling because someone liked your personality, took a chance on you, and you were able to successfully run with it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kevin Miller Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I have yet to pick up an exchange or Cisco Book. Infact I was given my first exchange book just yesterday by a friend. Have not had the time to read them. Yet I have worked with installs as large 30,000 users in exchange, As a hired consultant. Yesterday I added a few new T1's to a few of the 100's of routers the company I work for, as a day job, owns. I am solely responsible for all of those routers as well the rest of the network and a 5,000 user install of Exchange. Books and paper mean very little... Would you hire a paper MCSE over me? Would you hire someone who could Quote the OSI model over me? Why memorize what I have one the wall and in Text files. --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gordon Olson Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question They had very little experience, and I asked them what the last book they read and neither could name a book- would you hire them? But you are right, I could use some education, no denying that. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question So to you the lack of a MCSE means they werent interested in educating themselves? Sheesh. Sounds like you need some education yourself. -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly
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No shit. Most of these companies don't know that many of us don't have certs, but are most definitely the best person for the job. It is their loss. never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. Bullshit. I am fully versed in witchcraft. -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 3:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Shiminy. I was with ya until you hired the MCSE instead of me. - Original Message - From: Gordon Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
I admit it myself after going through school for my mcse I really didn't learn that much. I thought I know everything after school. Once I got a job in the field I learned so much. Hands on beats any 55 question test. -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I have yet to pick up an exchange or Cisco Book. Infact I was given my first exchange book just yesterday by a friend. Have not had the time to read them. Yet I have worked with installs as large 30,000 users in exchange, As a hired consultant. Yesterday I added a few new T1's to a few of the 100's of routers the company I work for, as a day job, owns. I am solely responsible for all of those routers as well the rest of the network and a 5,000 user install of Exchange. Books and paper mean very little... Would you hire a paper MCSE over me? Would you hire someone who could Quote the OSI model over me? Why memorize what I have one the wall and in Text files. --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gordon Olson Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question They had very little experience, and I asked them what the last book they read and neither could name a book- would you hire them? But you are right, I could use some education, no denying that. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question So to you the lack of a MCSE means they werent interested in educating themselves? Sheesh. Sounds like you need some education yourself. -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have
RE: Cerification question
I would agree,this comes from someone managing a 10,000 users 6 exchange server site with no back up and no certs (and no problems). Experience is where it is at. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Certs are not a sign of competency. They just mean that the person is capable of memorizing braindumps. I interviewed MCSEs that answered the question Explain your NT domain structure in your previous job with an answer like We had ATM coming to the back of our PCs. You've got to be careful with MCSEs that come with huge resumes. There are some ways you can tell if they're good or not though. For example if the candidate writes MCSE with a larger font than his own name, you probably have a clueless wall-licker in your hands. If a person doesn't have certification, it means that he/she has not sat through the tests. That person can be the most knowledgeable guy out there. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
Of Course not. None of these guys had any of that kind of experience. It was not much more then an entry level position we were trying to fill. I am sorry if I offended anyone, that was certainly not my intention. At the top of my email I said the best cert is the one that helps you do your job better. If you can do your job just fine and you don't need ot crack a book - that is awesome. I guess I just thought I was kind of in the group of average intelligence (majority) or below and I need all the help from books, fourms and the such to get by. -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I have yet to pick up an exchange or Cisco Book. Infact I was given my first exchange book just yesterday by a friend. Have not had the time to read them. Yet I have worked with installs as large 30,000 users in exchange, As a hired consultant. Yesterday I added a few new T1's to a few of the 100's of routers the company I work for, as a day job, owns. I am solely responsible for all of those routers as well the rest of the network and a 5,000 user install of Exchange. Books and paper mean very little... Would you hire a paper MCSE over me? Would you hire someone who could Quote the OSI model over me? Why memorize what I have one the wall and in Text files. --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gordon Olson Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question They had very little experience, and I asked them what the last book they read and neither could name a book- would you hire them? But you are right, I could use some education, no denying that. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question So to you the lack of a MCSE means they werent interested in educating themselves? Sheesh. Sounds like you need some education yourself. -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information
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Well. There's concrete proof right there. -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I admit it myself after going through school for my mcse I really didn't learn that much. I thought I know everything after school. Once I got a job in the field I learned so much. Hands on beats any 55 question test. -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I have yet to pick up an exchange or Cisco Book. Infact I was given my first exchange book just yesterday by a friend. Have not had the time to read them. Yet I have worked with installs as large 30,000 users in exchange, As a hired consultant. Yesterday I added a few new T1's to a few of the 100's of routers the company I work for, as a day job, owns. I am solely responsible for all of those routers as well the rest of the network and a 5,000 user install of Exchange. Books and paper mean very little... Would you hire a paper MCSE over me? Would you hire someone who could Quote the OSI model over me? Why memorize what I have one the wall and in Text files. --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gordon Olson Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question They had very little experience, and I asked them what the last book they read and neither could name a book- would you hire them? But you are right, I could use some education, no denying that. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question So to you the lack of a MCSE means they werent interested in educating themselves? Sheesh. Sounds like you need some education yourself. -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual
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No backup? --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Romeo, Matthew Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I would agree,this comes from someone managing a 10,000 users 6 exchange server site with no back up and no certs (and no problems). Experience is where it is at. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Certs are not a sign of competency. They just mean that the person is capable of memorizing braindumps. I interviewed MCSEs that answered the question Explain your NT domain structure in your previous job with an answer like We had ATM coming to the back of our PCs. You've got to be careful with MCSEs that come with huge resumes. There are some ways you can tell if they're good or not though. For example if the candidate writes MCSE with a larger font than his own name, you probably have a clueless wall-licker in your hands. If a person doesn't have certification, it means that he/she has not sat through the tests. That person can be the most knowledgeable guy out there. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You are MCSE right? -- Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange2000 List owner www.exchange-mail.org www.sharepointserver.com -- - Original Message - From: missy koslosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:38 PM Subject: Re: Cerification question Shiminy. I was with ya until you hired the MCSE instead of me. - Original Message - From: Gordon Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
Even with studying and knowing the material on the cert exams doesn't guarantee that one will be able to apply said knowledge to reall life system administration problems. I would rather give someone a brain teaser and see how their brain works, rather than see a cert. ~ -K.Borndale IT Manager Sybari Software 631.630.8569 -direct dial 631.439.0689 -fax http://www.sybari.com One man's ceiling is another man's floor Soysal, Serdar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by:cc: bounce-exchange-148870@lSubject: RE: Cerification question s.swynk.com 05/01/02 04:55 PM Please respond to Exchange Discussions Certs are not a sign of competency. They just mean that the person is capable of memorizing braindumps. I interviewed MCSEs that answered the question Explain your NT domain structure in your previous job with an answer like We had ATM coming to the back of our PCs. You've got to be careful with MCSEs that come with huge resumes. There are some ways you can tell if they're good or not though. For example if the candidate writes MCSE with a larger font than his own name, you probably have a clueless wall-licker in your hands. If a person doesn't have certification, it means that he/she has not sat through the tests. That person can be the most knowledgeable guy out there. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives
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You people talk like you can't have both. Sure there are some paper MCSEs out there but there are also many MCSEs that have mucho experience. Most hiring managers, all things being equal will look at experience first but... then certs. Additionally while experience is the best there are people that have worked in one environment for so long that they know NOTHING about any other capabilities of the hardware/software. They are nearly as bad as the paper MSCE because the scope of their knowledge is so very limited and because of their experience think the only way to run a network is the way they did it at their last job. At least the Paper boyz know they are limited, are willing to learn, cost half as much and don't cause half the drama the experience guy does. They piss me off so much more, that and they usually have no idea as to WHY their last network was set up that way but that it is just the best way. Experience is NOT always the best qualifier either _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
That is a very good point.. You need to meld it all together. But as you say dont look at the paper first. It would be best to have it all.. --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question You people talk like you can't have both. Sure there are some paper MCSEs out there but there are also many MCSEs that have mucho experience. Most hiring managers, all things being equal will look at experience first but... then certs. Additionally while experience is the best there are people that have worked in one environment for so long that they know NOTHING about any other capabilities of the hardware/software. They are nearly as bad as the paper MSCE because the scope of their knowledge is so very limited and because of their experience think the only way to run a network is the way they did it at their last job. At least the Paper boyz know they are limited, are willing to learn, cost half as much and don't cause half the drama the experience guy does. They piss me off so much more, that and they usually have no idea as to WHY their last network was set up that way but that it is just the best way. Experience is NOT always the best qualifier either _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
Very good points. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question You people talk like you can't have both. Sure there are some paper MCSEs out there but there are also many MCSEs that have mucho experience. Most hiring managers, all things being equal will look at experience first but... then certs. Additionally while experience is the best there are people that have worked in one environment for so long that they know NOTHING about any other capabilities of the hardware/software. They are nearly as bad as the paper MSCE because the scope of their knowledge is so very limited and because of their experience think the only way to run a network is the way they did it at their last job. At least the Paper boyz know they are limited, are willing to learn, cost half as much and don't cause half the drama the experience guy does. They piss me off so much more, that and they usually have no idea as to WHY their last network was set up that way but that it is just the best way. Experience is NOT always the best qualifier either _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
No backup, wow that's the best setup I've seen, never thought of that! Mario Fernandez Network Administrator DataSynapse 632 Broadway 5th Floor New York, NY 10012 tel. (212) 842-8849 fax. (212) 842-8843 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] View the DataSynapse email disclaimer here: e-mail disclaimer http://www.datasynapse.com/legal/emailprivacy.jsp -Original Message- From: Romeo, Matthew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 17:02 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I would agree,this comes from someone managing a 10,000 users 6 exchange server site with no back up and no certs (and no problems). Experience is where it is at. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Certs are not a sign of competency. They just mean that the person is capable of memorizing braindumps. I interviewed MCSEs that answered the question Explain your NT domain structure in your previous job with an answer like We had ATM coming to the back of our PCs. You've got to be careful with MCSEs that come with huge resumes. There are some ways you can tell if they're good or not though. For example if the candidate writes MCSE with a larger font than his own name, you probably have a clueless wall-licker in your hands. If a person doesn't have certification, it means that he/she has not sat through the tests. That person can be the most knowledgeable guy out there. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives
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It is all about having good hair?? --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ray Zorz Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question You, and others on this list, have for whatever reason been able to get past this certification ceiling because someone liked your personality, took a chance on you, and you were able to successfully run with it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kevin Miller Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I have yet to pick up an exchange or Cisco Book. Infact I was given my first exchange book just yesterday by a friend. Have not had the time to read them. Yet I have worked with installs as large 30,000 users in exchange, As a hired consultant. Yesterday I added a few new T1's to a few of the 100's of routers the company I work for, as a day job, owns. I am solely responsible for all of those routers as well the rest of the network and a 5,000 user install of Exchange. Books and paper mean very little... Would you hire a paper MCSE over me? Would you hire someone who could Quote the OSI model over me? Why memorize what I have one the wall and in Text files. --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gordon Olson Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question They had very little experience, and I asked them what the last book they read and neither could name a book- would you hire them? But you are right, I could use some education, no denying that. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question So to you the lack of a MCSE means they werent interested in educating themselves? Sheesh. Sounds like you need some education yourself. -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Cerification question
I saw your haircut, so the answer would be no. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kevin Miller Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 3:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question It is all about having good hair?? --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ray Zorz Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question You, and others on this list, have for whatever reason been able to get past this certification ceiling because someone liked your personality, took a chance on you, and you were able to successfully run with it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kevin Miller Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I have yet to pick up an exchange or Cisco Book. Infact I was given my first exchange book just yesterday by a friend. Have not had the time to read them. Yet I have worked with installs as large 30,000 users in exchange, As a hired consultant. Yesterday I added a few new T1's to a few of the 100's of routers the company I work for, as a day job, owns. I am solely responsible for all of those routers as well the rest of the network and a 5,000 user install of Exchange. Books and paper mean very little... Would you hire a paper MCSE over me? Would you hire someone who could Quote the OSI model over me? Why memorize what I have one the wall and in Text files. --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gordon Olson Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question They had very little experience, and I asked them what the last book they read and neither could name a book- would you hire them? But you are right, I could use some education, no denying that. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question So to you the lack of a MCSE means they werent interested in educating themselves? Sheesh. Sounds like you need some education yourself. -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http
RE: Cerification question
Cool. You should create a course and offer a cert in it...I'd sign up! -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question No shit. Most of these companies don't know that many of us don't have certs, but are most definitely the best person for the job. It is their loss. never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. Bullshit. I am fully versed in witchcraft. -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 3:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Shiminy. I was with ya until you hired the MCSE instead of me. - Original Message - From: Gordon Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
Witchcraft now there's a cert that all sys admin's definitely should have. Mario Fernandez Network Administrator DataSynapse 632 Broadway 5th Floor New York, NY 10012 tel. (212) 842-8849 fax. (212) 842-8843 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] View the DataSynapse email disclaimer here: e-mail disclaimer http://www.datasynapse.com/legal/emailprivacy.jsp -Original Message- From: David Florea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 18:24 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Cool. You should create a course and offer a cert in it...I'd sign up! -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question No shit. Most of these companies don't know that many of us don't have certs, but are most definitely the best person for the job. It is their loss. never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. Bullshit. I am fully versed in witchcraft. -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 3:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Shiminy. I was with ya until you hired the MCSE instead of me. - Original Message - From: Gordon Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives
RE: Cerification question
I know a couple others already. It could be a technical witches coven. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Florea Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 3:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Cool. You should create a course and offer a cert in it...I'd sign up! -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question No shit. Most of these companies don't know that many of us don't have certs, but are most definitely the best person for the job. It is their loss. never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. Bullshit. I am fully versed in witchcraft. -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 3:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cerification question Shiminy. I was with ya until you hired the MCSE instead of me. - Original Message - From: Gordon Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
They had money tellers on the back of their PCs? Wow. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Certs are not a sign of competency. They just mean that the person is capable of memorizing braindumps. I interviewed MCSEs that answered the question Explain your NT domain structure in your previous job with an answer like We had ATM coming to the back of our PCs. You've got to be careful with MCSEs that come with huge resumes. There are some ways you can tell if they're good or not though. For example if the candidate writes MCSE with a larger font than his own name, you probably have a clueless wall-licker in your hands. If a person doesn't have certification, it means that he/she has not sat through the tests. That person can be the most knowledgeable guy out there. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify Veronis Suhler Stevenson by telephone (212)935-4990, fax (212)381-8168, or email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and delete the message. Thank you. == _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cerification question
I'll take teasers for $200 Alex. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 5:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Even with studying and knowing the material on the cert exams doesn't guarantee that one will be able to apply said knowledge to reall life system administration problems. I would rather give someone a brain teaser and see how their brain works, rather than see a cert. ~ -K.Borndale IT Manager Sybari Software 631.630.8569 -direct dial 631.439.0689 -fax http://www.sybari.com One man's ceiling is another man's floor Soysal, Serdar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by:cc: bounce-exchange-148870@lSubject: RE: Cerification question s.swynk.com 05/01/02 04:55 PM Please respond to Exchange Discussions Certs are not a sign of competency. They just mean that the person is capable of memorizing braindumps. I interviewed MCSEs that answered the question Explain your NT domain structure in your previous job with an answer like We had ATM coming to the back of our PCs. You've got to be careful with MCSEs that come with huge resumes. There are some ways you can tell if they're good or not though. For example if the candidate writes MCSE with a larger font than his own name, you probably have a clueless wall-licker in your hands. If a person doesn't have certification, it means that he/she has not sat through the tests. That person can be the most knowledgeable guy out there. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ
RE: Cerification question
I think he meant no background But, of course, My English isn't THAT good. Filipe Joel de Almeida Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: +351 967819600 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mario Fernandez Sent: quarta-feira, 1 de Maio de 2002 22:58 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question No backup, wow that's the best setup I've seen, never thought of that! Mario Fernandez Network Administrator DataSynapse 632 Broadway 5th Floor New York, NY 10012 tel. (212) 842-8849 fax. (212) 842-8843 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] View the DataSynapse email disclaimer here: e-mail disclaimer http://www.datasynapse.com/legal/emailprivacy.jsp -Original Message- From: Romeo, Matthew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 17:02 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question I would agree,this comes from someone managing a 10,000 users 6 exchange server site with no back up and no certs (and no problems). Experience is where it is at. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Certs are not a sign of competency. They just mean that the person is capable of memorizing braindumps. I interviewed MCSEs that answered the question Explain your NT domain structure in your previous job with an answer like We had ATM coming to the back of our PCs. You've got to be careful with MCSEs that come with huge resumes. There are some ways you can tell if they're good or not though. For example if the candidate writes MCSE with a larger font than his own name, you probably have a clueless wall-licker in your hands. If a person doesn't have certification, it means that he/she has not sat through the tests. That person can be the most knowledgeable guy out there. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Gordon Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List
Re: Cerification question
Nope. Haven't taken a single test. Call me lazy. - Original Message - From: Martin Tuip [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 5:24 PM Subject: Re: Cerification question You are MCSE right? -- Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange2000 List owner www.exchange-mail.org www.sharepointserver.com -- - Original Message - From: missy koslosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:38 PM Subject: Re: Cerification question Shiminy. I was with ya until you hired the MCSE instead of me. - Original Message - From: Gordon Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM Subject: RE: Cerification question That guy is a knucklehead. The Best Cert is the one you need or help you do your job better. That is the best cert. I have a CCNP and CCDP and I really do not work in that industry. I really am an admin working with M$, Cisco, Citrix, Unix etc I studied the Cisco stuff because we were converting from x.25 to frame relay and I wanted to do it so I asked the company to give me a shot. I used the knowledge again when we switched to NVPN. My only point is that the Certs were about what I needed to improve my skill set. I had to hire a guy recently (echoing Lori and Ray) and I hired the guy that had very little Practical experience but he did have an MCSE. I thought that at least showed that he wanted to learn. I interviewed a few others that had more experience and never took the time to educate themselves in their chosen craft. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cerification question Don't invite that speaker again. Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Cerification question There is a big sqaubble about the best certification to get( and this was being discussed at Ohio State) That if you was going to get any type of certification EXCHANGE IS NOT THE ONE to get, Cisco is the premier certification.One of the speakers was telling a senior class this before graduation starts. Do anyone agree with that or does it make a difference? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
