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I believe (as stated in an earlier post) that the purity of this
teaching will be
lost in my lifetime... slippery slope and all that. In five or 10
years I doubt
people will know if they are getting Maharishi's TM or not.
Someone will, if the princples don't.
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This shows the value of an organbization to train and maintian
teachers.
Any/all experiences,
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$2500 for a mantra. PULze. Give me a
break. By the way. Is anybody learning TM here in
America anymore. I heard that
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scienceofabundance wrote:
I was cognizing it from my igloo
at the North Pole.
I hope your igloo was east-facing,
and of course your couch facing east too.
oh wait...North Pole...which way is East??
At the North
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sparaig wrote:
The pricing policy is perfectly reasonable
given MMY's current goals...
except it doesnt work!
if its overpriced, nobody will buy...
how does making *nothing* support any goal??
the very rich
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--I had
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But some fine thread to Guru Dev becomes stronger. Read the quotations
of Guru Dev. They are pure wisdom.
Ingegerd
I'm not sure what you are driving at, but it is pretty obvious that
if someone breaks off, becomes independent and discharges
Maharishis wish to charge 2500$ for
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But some fine thread to Guru Dev becomes stronger. Read the
quotations
of Guru Dev. They are pure wisdom.
Ingegerd
It is obviously less of a challenge to be devoted to someone who is no
longer in the body, and who no
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My dear lupidus.
If someone came to you and really needed to learn TM and did not
have
2500 Dollar to pay a cert. TM-Teacher, and an Independent TM-
Teacher
would do it for almost nothing or free. Would you not go for
H? Theory or practise?
Ingegerd
If an independent teacher does not trust MMY, how can I trust that
initiator to give the same knowledge as those who follow MMY ?
(although I had no clue that was what it was at the time)I have
no
doubt whatsoever that this would not have
I appreciate and respect the great devotion you have for MMY and his
TMO. What I can't understand is how this fit in with Benjamin Creme and
Matreya that you always are recommending.I am not a specialist about
the Share International, but a friend of mine who is, told me that
Benjamin Creme
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H? Theory or practise?
Ingegerd
If an independent teacher does not trust MMY, how can I trust
that
initiator to give the same knowledge as those who follow MMY ?
So far just theory. But it's getting more
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I appreciate and respect the great devotion you have for MMY and
his
TMO. What I can't understand is how this fit in with Benjamin Creme
and
Matreya that you always are recommending.I am not a specialist
about
the
It seems that my friend want to be anonymous in FFL, so I can*t
give up his name. I think I have asked you before - what does BC say
about MMY?
Ingegerd
Regarding your comments about Benjamin Creme; where is the source
of
your claim about his view of Maharishi ?
If an independent
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A friend of mine was very disappointed after receiving Advanced
Techniques within the TMO. He got the technique from a lady from
India. No Puja - only whispering the Mantra to him.
It seems that it has been
Doing the Puja individually is the best, that is my experience too.
Twice in 25 years I have done the Puja by my self - and then gone to
Hospitals giving the Mantra, one to a dying person and one for my
Boss having stroke. As soon as my Boss was out of the Hospital, I
initiated him properly
got milk?
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I agree. Then the question becomes, is plain vanilla TM a full
teaching of the tradition? I see that it is. Although various
I had a similar exzperience. It was quite a carrot. keeping me
meditating in the mud for years afterwards, seeking a repeat! ha-ha!
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--As I began to think the mantra silently to myself(during my
initiation) I started
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--As I began to think the mantra silently to myself(during my
initiation) I started to become aware of increasingly strong
pleasurable
...easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, etc.
only in this case, substitute 'rich country' for 'rich man'.
Until u.s. learns humility in the face of its greatness, it will
continue to be a force of destruction vs a great force for assistance
and unity and peace.
The great
on 5/29/05 12:41 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A friend of mine was very disappointed after receiving Advanced
Techniques within the TMO. He got the technique from a lady from
India. No Puja - only whispering the Mantra to him.
It seems that it has been different guidelines about
on 5/29/05 3:20 AM, lupidus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If an independent teacher does not trust MMY, how can I trust that
initiator to give the same knowledge as those who follow MMY ?
Hey Lupidus, how can anyone fully trust MMY when he slept with all those
women while claiming to be a
Yes, what a shining example of the best of humanity is Guru Dev! Thank
you for your purity, strength and resolve!
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But some fine thread to Guru Dev becomes stronger. Read the
quotations
of Guru Dev. They are pure wisdom.
Are you saying liberation is all the same and that there are not
different styles of realization?
On May 28, 2005, at 8:59 AM, jim_flanegin wrote:
which can occur regardless of the pathless path one is following;
Guru Dev, Buddha, Christ, all the same really.
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yes, liberation is all the same, and yes, there are different styles
of realization.
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Are you saying liberation is all the same and that there are not
different styles of realization?
On May 28, 2005, at 8:59 AM,
---It has been my expereince that when I did the puja I noticed a
change in my state of conciousness(this was variable in terms of how
strong the effect was).I also noticed an increase in the experience of
shakti-Kundalini-chi or whatever you want to call it(IOW an energetic
change in the body).I
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on 5/29/05 7:08 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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It is obviously less of a challenge to be devoted to someone
who is
no
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on 5/29/05 3:20 AM, lupidus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If an independent teacher does not trust MMY, how can I trust
that
initiator to give the same knowledge as those who follow MMY ?
Hey Lupidus, how can
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on 5/29/05 3:20 AM, lupidus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If an independent teacher does not trust MMY, how can I trust that
initiator to give the same knowledge as those who follow MMY ?
Hey Lupidus, how can
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on 5/29/05 3:20 AM, lupidus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If an independent teacher does not trust MMY, how can I trust
that
initiator to
--- lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
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But lups, how do you know for sure that teaching
with
puja to Guru Dev, three days checking, the whole
nine
yards is against the will of the source of the
teaching?
I'm not
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on 5/29/05 3:20 AM, lupidus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If an independent teacher does not trust MMY, how can I trust that
initiator to give the same knowledge as those who follow MMY ?
Hey Lupidus, how can
jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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It is obviously less of a challenge to be devoted to someone who
is
no
longer in the body, and who no longer stretch ones vision of
reality
or
challenges your
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on 5/29/05 3:20 AM, lupidus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If an independent teacher does not trust MMY, how can I
trust that
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It is obviously less of a challenge to be devoted to someone who
is
no
In the past - from time to time - somebody have asked MMY about sexual
questions. Many times I have heard him answered that he does not know
anything about these things because he is a Monk.
Ingegerd
Hold on: MMY WAS a life bramachary. Has he said he was a bramachary
after he (perhaps, but
I'm not sure what you are driving at, but it is pretty
obvious that
if someone breaks off, becomes independent and
discharges
Maharishis wish to charge 2500$ for instruction, the
he/she is
deliberately going against the will of the source of
the teaching.
Some fine threads between Maharishi
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But lups, how do you know for sure that teaching
with
puja to Guru Dev, three days checking, the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd
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In the past - from time to time - somebody have asked MMY about
sexual
questions. Many times I have heard him answered that he does not know
anything about these things because he is a Monk.
Ingegerd
Hold on: MMY
On May 29, 2005, at 9:13 AM, lupidus108 wrote:
Hold on: MMY WAS a life bramachary.
At a certain point in his career, M. dropped the title Brahmachari.
Brahmacharya is just a stage, it doesn't mean you necessarily do that
for life.
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On May 29, 2005, at 9:12 AM, Peter Sutphen wrote:
Notice that MMY has never directly said that
an independent teacher should stop? We have to hear
exactly what MMY said, not somebody's understanding or
interpretation of his words.
The Briganator posted an interesting quote from a press
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On May 29, 2005, at 9:12 AM, Peter Sutphen wrote:
Notice that MMY has never directly said that
an independent teacher should stop? We have to hear
exactly what MMY said, not somebody's understanding or
interpretation
Do any of the Vedic scholars here know what would be the most ancient
name given for Mother Divine. I mean the actual Mother of the
universe ?? (not the nuns).
Maybe there is a name that appears in the Rig Veda for this?
In Maharishi's Gita , I remember he gives the ages of time. He starts
Comment below:
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**SNIP**
I am not aware if you are an initiator Rick, but if you are; who
taugth you, from whom did you receive the Puja, the steps, the
mantras ? The connection between Maharishi and his initiators are
On May 29, 2005, at 10:00 AM, lupidus108 wrote:
At another time someone complained to Maharishi that people was having
too much sex on the residence courses. His reply was that the notion of
sex being bad is a result of your christian upbringing proclaming sex
to be a sin.
It's true and
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snip
Do the puja, give them Gods name and have them repeat
it. End of story. Check up one them once in a while
and know their own karma guides them.
You dont still believe in meaningless sounds do you?
Or are
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On May 29, 2005, at 9:12 AM, Peter Sutphen wrote:
Notice that MMY has never directly said that
an independent teacher should stop? We have to hear
exactly what MMY said, not somebody's understanding or
interpretation
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snip
Do the puja, give them Gods name and have them repeat
it. End of story. Check up one them once in a while
and know their own
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On May 29, 2005, at 9:12 AM, Peter Sutphen wrote:
Notice that MMY has never directly said that
an independent teacher should stop? We have to
hear
exactly what MMY said, not
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The bija mantras are meaningless by any standard. They have no
meaning in Sanskrit or English and their origin is unknown. No TM
mantra has meaning as it is taught. If you chose to assign it
meaning, that's your
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snip
Do the puja, give them Gods name and have them
repeat
it. End of story. Check
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The bija mantras are meaningless by any standard.
They have no
meaning in Sanskrit or English and their origin is
unknown. No TM
mantra has meaning as it is taught. If
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On May 29, 2005, at 10:00 AM, lupidus108 wrote:
At another time someone complained to Maharishi
that people was having
too much sex on the residence courses. His reply
was that the notion of
sex being bad is a result of your christian
upbringing
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But lups, how do you know for sure that
teaching
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I am now announcing to the world that I will be having
sex with my wife probably some time this afternoon.
But it will be after the Indy 500 though.
-Decree #3745hfh57-khi89075498
Recommend she not watch Indy with
The Steve-inator kicking spirtual ass and taking no
prisoners! My kinda guy! Shiva when he opens his eyes
Burn you ignorant pissant fool! Ahh! Love it!
--- steven klayman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not sure what you are driving at, but it is
pretty
obvious that
if someone breaks
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I am now announcing to the world that I will be having
sex with my wife probably some time this afternoon.
But it will be after the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The bija mantras are meaningless by any standard. They have no
meaning in Sanskrit or English and their origin is unknown. No TM
mantra
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--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
The bija mantras are meaningless by any standard.
They have no
meaning in Sanskrit or English and their origin is
unknown. No TM
mantra has meaning as it is
Thanks for the answer. Just telling me it's my problem isn't
helpful.
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[...]
The bija mantras are
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I am now announcing to the world that I will be
having
sex with my wife probably
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I am now announcing to the world that I will be
having
sex with my wife probably some time this
afternoon.
But it will be after the Indy 500 though.
-Decree
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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The bija mantras are meaningless by any
standard. They have no
meaning in Sanskrit or English
Some leaders of Skem.. are becoming pretty unglued -
This sort of stuff is crazy-making.
A lot of people on FFL, myself included, would be a lot more
unglued than we are, if Rick hadn't set up FFL
some years ago, and saved our sanity.
Sweet, appreciative, and perceptive statement.
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It doesn't exist.
The age-old traditions in East and West, always expected the student,
novice, devotee, to devote his/her self to the cause, usually for
years, before any SIGNIFICANT teaching was given to them.
Does anyone have any information or/ another photograph of Guru Dev's
guru, Shri 108 Shri Dandi Swami Krishnanand Saraswati ?
link to photograph:
http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm#Krishnanand
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I am now announcing to the world that I will be
having
sex with my wife probably
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On May 29, 2005, at 9:12 AM, Peter Sutphen wrote:
Notice that MMY has never directly said that
an independent teacher should stop? We have to hear
exactly what MMY said, not somebody's understanding or
interpretation
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It doesn't exist.
The age-old traditions in East and West, always expected the
student,
novice, devotee, to devote his/her self to
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(snip)
But I do puja to Guru Dev because I adore Guru Dev. It is the
worship
of the embodiment of the whole teaching and all knowledge. Ekaam,
nityaam, vimaalam, aachalaam; saarvadi saakshi bhutam -- The One, the
In a message dated 5/28/05 6:24:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
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How do you know this for certain ?
Read it in an article shortly after his death.
Written by whom ? Do you belive in everything you read ? According to
my information only family was
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snip
Do the puja, give them Gods name and have them repeat
it. End of story. Check up one them once in a while
and know their own
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The bija mantras are meaningless by any standard.
They have no
meaning in Sanskrit or
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I am now announcing to the world that I will be
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Comment below
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Beautiful unstressing.
What does that mean?
Any thoughts, feelings, images, etc., during TM are *ALWAYS*
unstressing. If you were stress free, you'd be enlightened, and have
no-thought,
It doesn't exist.
The age-old traditions in East and West, always expected the
student, novice, devotee, to devote his/her self to the cause,
usually for years, before any SIGNIFICANT teaching was given
to them. It is a way to assess the worthiness of a student.
I must
But the two almost seem to be opposite sides of the same coin. Nearly every TM-exer I know of felt as Bob does to some extent, some for years.
Sal
On May 29, 2005, at 7:33 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
And for most people, Maharishi is nearly as abstract as Guru Dev. Sure, one
sees his tapes and
If you can find one single TM-Teacher that have earned money in
teaching TM through the years, I would like to shake hands with the
person. As the most of us, I have paid all my courses in the TMO,
paid all the expenses for the courses I have held, lost income from
ordinary work - lost some
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It doesn't exist.
The age-old traditions in East and West, always expected the
student, novice, devotee, to devote his/her self to the
cause,
usually for years, before any SIGNIFICANT teaching was given
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If you can find one single TM-Teacher that have earned money in
teaching TM through the years, I would like to shake hands with
the person.
Pleased to meetcha.
I earned a living as a full-time TM teacher for several
I'm not sure what you are driving at, but it is
pretty obvious that
if someone breaks off, becomes independent and
discharges
Maharishis wish to charge 2500$ for instruction,
the
he/she is
deliberately going against the will of the
source of
the
For without that cloning the teaching is
small scale and
ineffective in the long-term.
The TMO's initiation level is small scale and
ineffective now.
One of the main points brought up in this thread is
that, even if the organization needs initiation fee
income to maintain itself and
I was *very much* engaged in the lifelong mission of
teaching that Maharishi is engaged in. I still am.
I choose to pay for it myself. So do many of the
monks I studied with. We teach because we consider
what we have managed to learn along the Way valuable
enough that we feel the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 5/28/05 6:24:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How do you know this for certain ?
Read it in an article shortly after his death.
Written by whom ? Do you belive in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
For without that cloning the teaching is
small scale and
ineffective in the long-term.
The TMO's initiation level is small scale and
ineffective now.
Understood.
However, my understanding is that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I was *very much* engaged in the lifelong mission of
teaching that Maharishi is engaged in. I still am.
I choose to pay for it myself. So do many of the
monks I studied with. We teach because we consider
I think the cost should be lower too, more like in the 80's.
My understanding, however, is that thousands upon thousands have
learned TM in the past few years in India for FREE. The past decade
would put it at 100's of thousands. Is this an ineffective
organization?
Maharishi is right now
isn't it much more profitable to initiate 1000 people
for a $250 fee than 10 people for a $2500 fee?
Yes, as I have suggested many times.
My only point is to question the smale scale and short-term
thinking when people here are going around saying it should
be completely free, at all
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My point to you was your insistance that everyone should teach for
free, and your criticism of Maharishi's methods. You have a chance
now to actually think it through.
As do you. Please read my other post about your claim
about my 'insistence' above and do some thinking
Dear Lupidus.
As a so-called independent TM-Teacher, I do not earn money by
initiating. The costs is higher than the incomes - that has been for
years. Luckily, I have my income from other things that I work with -
so I am not depending of initiating.
Ingegerd
To some of the so-called
jim_flanegin wrote:
I must respectfully say that you are operating
from conjecture, not direct experience. Those
devoted to Guru Dev are challenged just as
strongly as those following Maharishi. The goals
are just as clearly defined, as are the challenges
(to belief systems and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do any of the Vedic scholars here know what would be the most
ancient
name given for Mother Divine. I mean the actual Mother of the
universe ?? (not the nuns).
Maybe there is a name that appears in the
I have just uploaded the complete video of the interview/lunch with
Robert Thurman and Lawrence Brilliant which was on Lunch with Bokara.
The topic is Compassion in Action. They define compassionate action
and then talk about their experiences in India, Neem Karoli Baba,
spiritual Masters and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It doesn't exist.
A few weeks ago, when this issue came up on another
forum, I entered learn to meditate into Google and
checked what it costs to learn, from the first page
of sites found that listed prices:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on 5/29/05 7:08 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
It is obviously less of a challenge to be devoted to someone who
is
no
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
People have been transcending without using TM
mantras for thousands of years.
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I can't be bothered with all the drivel you post here, but let me just
take a sample of your ignorant blather here,
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