[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2012-04-11 Thread Carol
For anyone who might be interested, John Knapp now has a stage name, Johnny Profane. I posted some information regarding his stage name at the link below which links to a thread where I update the Knapp saga. Once NY state has completed its determination regarding Knapp, I will post an update on

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2012-02-19 Thread Carol
Thanks Judy for your input and clarification for folks who aren't familiar with Knapp. Today I've been categorizing some old entries on my blog and ran across one from July, 2009, in which I endorsed Knapp and Knapp Family Counseling. Interestingly, the post is entitled Silence: There's more than

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2012-01-29 Thread Carol
I've posted a few times on FFL in the past. In at least one of those post, I stated that I was supportive of John Knapp. I was his client for right at two years, from around 7/2008 through 6/2010. I have since publicly retracted (in March, 2011) my support and endorsement of John Knapp. In the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2012-01-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@... wrote: snip My statements addressing John M. Knapp's allegations accusations http://tossandripple.blogspot.com/p/my-statements-addressing- john-m-knapps.html (Note: Knapp's allegations are currently no longer accessible because the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-10 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
Reply to emptybill, somewhat delayed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Xeno Thanks for the reply. I went back and looked at a post of yours from July 26th. You quoted Plotinus, which I found surprising. Around these parts no one knows what to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-08 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
Judy, now that I am briefly back from obligations I can take a stab at this. I also scanned some of the more recent posts and followed a couple of links. I would say on that basis that this particular situation is more complicated than I originally thought. If Skolnick is not the halo crowned

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-08 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Judy, now that I am briefly back from obligations I can take a stab at this. I also scanned some of the more recent posts and followed a couple of links. I would say on that basis that this particular

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread turquoiseb
Xeno, I have zero interest in either Andrew Skolnick or John Knapp, or in discussing what you or anyone else thinks about them. Neither person has really been part of my life for many, many years. Don't you think it would be odd and kind of obsessive for me to still care about them, much less

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
I mentioned Skolnick and Knapp because they had been in the topic under discussion, and there were certain things I wanted to say, but I had no expectation you would reply. You seemed to like Skolnick's handling of the situation, and that was that. You do not have to waste keystrokes saying

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip Judy is good at comparing what someone wrote at one time compared to another and dealing with precise phraseology, but I am not sure

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread Vaj
On Aug 7, 2011, at 9:16 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip Judy is good at comparing what someone wrote at one time compared to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread seventhray1
What I get from this was that we have a women who had breast cancer, was treated by Chopra at an Ayurvedic clinic, was declared to be cured and died shortly thereafter. Is this not the the case? It appears to me that the case he trying to make is that her Ayurvedic treatments did not cure the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Aug 7, 2011, at 9:03 AM, seventhray1 wrote: What I get from this was that we have a women who had breast cancer, was treated by Chopra at an Ayurvedic clinic, was declared to be cured and died shortly thereafter. Is this not the the case? It appears to me that the case he trying to make

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: What I get from this was that we have a women who had breast cancer, was treated by Chopra at an Ayurvedic clinic, was declared to be cured and died shortly thereafter. Is this not the the case? Thanks for weighing

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: What I get from this was that we have a women who had breast cancer, was treated by Chopra at an Ayurvedic clinic, was declared to be cured and died

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread Vaj
On Aug 7, 2011, at 10:03 AM, seventhray1 wrote: What I get from this was that we have a women who had breast cancer, was treated by Chopra at an Ayurvedic clinic, was declared to be cured and died shortly thereafter. Is this not the the case? It appears to me that the case he trying

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread authfriend
OK, since Sal decided she'd step on my point and ignore my request for comments only from those who knew nothing more about the case than what Skolnick posted, I'll ask Steve whether he notices any discrepancies between Skolnick's account and the account Sal posted from Quackwatch. And since Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip In the meantime, would you care to express an opinion about Skolnick's offer to send a copy of the woman's death certificate to anyone who asked?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Xeno, I have zero interest in either Andrew Skolnick or John Knapp, or in discussing what you or anyone else thinks about them. Neither person has really been part of my life for many, many years. Don't you think it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: OK, since Sal decided she'd step on my point and ignore my request for comments only from those who knew nothing more about the case than what Skolnick posted, I'll ask Steve whether he notices any discrepancies between

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip Judy is good at comparing what someone wrote at

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: OK, since Sal decided she'd step on my point and ignore my request for comments only from those who knew nothing more about the case than what

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread richardwillytexwilliams
...Lawson did not post a single message in my defense. sparaig: And I don't think I defended most people on that forum. My agenda with Andrew... My apologies for the remark, Mr. English. Followup: But, I didn't collect Crumb - can't stand the guy or his work. As for my

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread curtisdeltablues
Xeno I do not think of you as a liar, but something seems to be getting you riled up. If you are feeling angry at these people, I would wonder what the source really is. Anger destroys balance of mind, I know this from first hand experience, and the source of that anger may be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread richardwillytexwilliams
authfriend: But as Lawson subsequently informed us here, somebody writing on the Talk pages of the Wikipedia article on TM dug up the actual ruling. And lo and behold, there *had* been a settlement after all: ...you went above and beyond the call of duty and got the actual court

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: OK, since Sal decided she'd step on my point and ignore my request for comments only from those who knew nothing more about the case than what

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Xeno I do not think of you as a liar, but something seems to be getting you riled up. If you are feeling angry at these people, I would wonder what the source really is. Anger destroys balance of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: snip What you may be missing is that these are beliefs numerous Maharishi Ayurveda MD's acquired from the Maharishi himself, who told numerous people they'd be cured of their terminal illnesses, who then died. Darth Veda then

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip Judy is good at comparing what someone wrote at

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Xeno I do not think of you as a liar, but something seems to be getting you riled up. If you are feeling angry at these people, I would wonder what the source really is. Anger destroys balance of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: snip In fact, Donahue, if I recall the exchange correctly, asked Chopra can everyone expect this kind of result from Maharishi AYurveda? And Chopra replied quite flatly no. Whereupon Donahue looked at him and said

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread authfriend
Barry, you're just too far behind on this discussion, and too confused as to what it's about, to ever catch up. Like I said, you need to stop digging, or the hole you're in is going to fall in on you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: snip Finally, did you notice that she did not receive MA-V treatment for her cancer--as Skolnick implied--but rather as an adjunct to mitigate the effects of the chemotherapy? Yikes. That should read, mitigate the SIDE effects

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread Mark Landau
Yes, I had this lovely experience for a year ages 18-19. I had to be hospitalized after my first two doses, it was so bad. Chemo was even harsher then than it is now. Fred Ansfield, a pioneer in it, was my oncologist. Of course I lost all my hair and had to sip blended food due to the sores

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: Yes, I had this lovely experience for a year ages 18-19. I had to be hospitalized after my first two doses, it was so bad. And you were presumably in pretty good physical shape to start with, being so young. Imagine what it's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Given these discrepancies, would you care to give your opinion of Skolnick's honesty in his description of her case? It would appear to be misleading based on the full picture.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Given these discrepancies, would you care to give your opinion of Skolnick's honesty in his description of her case? It would appear to be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread Denise Evans
: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 7, 2011, 7:18 AM   On Aug 7, 2011, at 9:03 AM, seventhray1 wrote:What I get from this was that we have  a women who had breast cancer, was treated by Chopra

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Ya'll know that one of Deepak's major partners is dying of cancer...Dr. David Simon.  I don't actually know the status of his illness.  He went into remission for awhile. Google says he had a second brain surgery

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-07 Thread Denise Evans
: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 7, 2011, 6:16 PM   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Ya'll know that one of Deepak's major partners is dying

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread turquoiseb
Careful, dude. You could be in danger of falling into the realm of mortal sin -- reading things for yourself and coming to your own conclusions about what you read, rather than accept the version presented to you by FFL's Arbiters Of Truth. I mention this only in passing because you really,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread whynotnow7
No wonder Turq likes him so much. Birds of a feather. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: I did not know about this fellow, and my knowledge of the history of the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread Tom Pall
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: This forum is like that battle in the Bhagavad-Gita. Former friends and relatives who once seemed to share the same perspective now are arrayed on the battle-field with opposing views. Maybe some

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Careful, dude. You could be in danger of falling into the realm of mortal sin -- reading things for yourself and coming to your own conclusions about what you read, rather than accept the version presented to you by FFL's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread richardwillytexwilliams
whynotnow7: No wonder Turq likes him so much. Birds of a feather. Uh, no. Turq hates Skolnick's guts because Skolnick made fun of Turq's association with Zen Master Rama. Well, 'made fun of' is an understatement - 'skewered' would probably be more accurate! Skolnick turned Turq into

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread richardwillytexwilliams
turquoiseb: From my perspective, Skolnick essentially beat the socks off of his TM-puppet opponents in almost every interaction... You're probably still upset with Skolnick for calling you a liar, a phoney, and a true believer for taking up for Zen Master Rama. Skolnick beat the socks of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: whynotnow7: No wonder Turq likes him so much. Birds of a feather. Uh, no. Turq hates Skolnick's guts because Skolnick made fun of Turq's association with Zen Master Rama. Well, 'made fun of' is an

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: snip One thing to realize is that Skolnick didn't just write an article in JAMA but went on a crusade against all things TM. True. But... WHenever Hari Sharma or Deepak Chopra appeared in public within driving distance of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: snip Andrew is probably one of the most insightful people when it comes to TM and valid criticism. It's that naked, raw insight that so disturbs TM-TB's. For an example of Andrew Skolnick's naked, raw insight, I *am* going to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: snip Skolnick got *creamed*, repeatedly, by me and Lawson and Kurt and P and other TMers. He never quite seemed to get that in a forum context, you can't just tell falsehoods and expect to get away with them. He was used to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: snip Well, Trancenet often cited (cites?) the German Government study on TM (The study was *cited* by the government but not *done* by the government, FWIW.) which is actually biased enough that when I found it being cited in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread whynotnow7
How do I access that archive please? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@ wrote: whynotnow7: No wonder Turq likes him so much. Birds of a feather. Uh, no. Turq hates Skolnick's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: How do I access that archive please? The FFL archive? I gave you the message numbers. Not sure what you're asking. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread whynotnow7
Oh...I though they were messages on the alt usenet site...Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: How do I access that archive please? The FFL archive? I gave you the message numbers.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: How do I access that archive please? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/messages Plug the message numbers from Judy's post into the box labeled Message # and click Go. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread whynotnow7
...I am not seeing a Go key on my keyboard...Is it some combination like F6+G+O?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: How do I access that archive please?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: ...I am not seeing a Go key on my keyboard...Is it some combination like F6+G+O?? I bet you don't have a box labeled Message # on your keyboard either, do you? Dump that old technology, dude, and get a modern keyboard

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread whynotnow7
Reminds me of that Nissan Leaf ad I think it is, where it shows a bunch of appliances, like microwaves and toasters powered by two cycle internal combustion engines. Pretty funny. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Reminds me of that Nissan Leaf ad I think it is, where it shows a bunch of appliances, like microwaves and toasters powered by two cycle internal combustion engines. Pretty funny. http://youtu.be/j0sCCJFkEbE

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: whynotnow7: No wonder Turq likes him so much. Birds of a feather. Uh, no. Turq hates Skolnick's guts because Skolnick made fun of Turq's association with Zen Master Rama. Well, 'made fun of' is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: P.S.: I have to say I find it *astonishing* that anyone would wonder why it's important to expose liars and refute lies, especially on a supposedly spiritually oriented newsgroup. If spirituality is about anything, it's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: P.S.: I have to say I find it *astonishing* that anyone would wonder why it's important to expose liars and refute lies, especially on a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
Regarding post #180875, the opening quote from John Knapp is undated, but says he had been writing for 13 years, and the post you mentioned was, if I interpret this correctly, written about end of the first year of those 13 years. There might be a point to this if John experienced absolutely

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Regarding post #180875, the opening quote from John Knapp is undated, Kapp's FFL post that I quoted was dated June 20, 2008, the day before my post. but says he had been writing for 13 years, He said he

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
Well if this is the case you are probably right. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Regarding post #180875, the opening quote from John Knapp is undated, Kapp's FFL post

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
Barry, if I fall into hell it will be my own doing. Judy does make good points as do you. My knowledge of 'our' subject here is not encyclopaedic. I can be misled. But I do like to come to my own conclusions. Judy is good at comparing what someone wrote at one time compared to another and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread Bob Price
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 6:28:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness   Barry, if I fall into hell it will be my own doing. Judy does make good points as do you. My knowledge of 'our' subject here is not encyclopaedic. I can be misled. But I do like to come to my own

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: snip As for Skolnick, I thought he approached his subject with vigour and did not pull punches, but he seems to have researched his attacks well. Let's just take a quick look at a bit of Skolnick's post-

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: snip Judy is good at comparing what someone wrote at one time compared to another and dealing with precise phraseology, but I am not sure she always is able to distinguish between irony, malice, and simple

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread Ravi Yogi
They didn't randomly start talking about him, it was in reference to a Wikipedia article. Read it again - Vaj is the only used who used present tense, Judy used past sense and Lawson future tense. So you and Vaj are the only ones that come out obsessed, Vaj for the present tense and you, for not

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: May I point out that anything having to do with Andrew Skolnick happened maybe TEN YEARS AGO? And that these two TM obsessives are not only still talking about him and trying to suck other people into their obsession

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: May I point out that anything having to do with Andrew Skolnick happened maybe TEN YEARS AGO? And that these two TM obsessives are not only still

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread Vaj
On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:50 AM, turquoiseb wrote: May I point out that anything having to do with Andrew Skolnick happened maybe TEN YEARS AGO? And that these two TM obsessives are not only still talking about him and trying to suck other people into their obsession all these years on, they're

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread Vaj
On Aug 5, 2011, at 4:03 AM, turquoiseb wrote: Actually, last contact I had with Andrew was a year or three ago, during wiki editing wars over the Transcendental Meditation wikipedia entry. Lawson, the point I am trying to make is that you really don't see anything odd about there being

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread Vaj
On Aug 4, 2011, at 10:16 PM, sparaig wrote: Whether science was done right the first time or not is immaterial. It must be done over and over again, or it isn't science. If it's to be done over and over, it needs to be independently - not by MUM or the David Lynch Mob or Friends of TM

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread whynotnow7
HA HA like you're one to talk(!). You understand attachment very well though. Non-attachment, not so much. You keep thinking it is some kind of mood or a 'tude. It isn't. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: May I point out that anything having to do with

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread Vaj
On Aug 4, 2011, at 10:18 PM, sparaig wrote: Shall I invite Andrew to come critique everyone here? His background is such that he will, at best, call you self-deluded for what you (and I and Judy and everyone else) espouse here. It would be nice to have him here, but honestly so little

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread whynotnow7
Maharishi saw that couching TM in terms of modern science was the way to sell it to the West (and perhaps create an endless puzzle for fools like you to get lost in), but essentially measuring metabolic markers to determine spiritual states isn't the point. The point is to get on with it, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: May I point out that anything having to do with Andrew Skolnick happened maybe TEN YEARS AGO? And that these two TM obsessives are not only still talking about him and trying to suck other people into their obsession

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: May I point out that anything having to do with Andrew Skolnick happened maybe TEN

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 5, 2011, at 4:03 AM, turquoiseb wrote: Actually, last contact I had with Andrew was a year or three ago, during wiki editing wars over the Transcendental Meditation wikipedia entry. Lawson, the point I am

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 4, 2011, at 10:16 PM, sparaig wrote: Whether science was done right the first time or not is immaterial. It must be done over and over again, or it isn't science. If it's to be done over and over, it needs to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 4, 2011, at 10:18 PM, sparaig wrote: Shall I invite Andrew to come critique everyone here? His background is such that he will, at best, call you self-deluded for what you (and I and Judy and everyone else)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread richardwillytexwilliams
The very IDEA of becoming so obsessed with one little view of life and/or spirituality that one feels the need to defend it against its enemies strikes me as just as insane... sparaig: You and Judy get along fine now, i take it... Let's see, Turq has been obsessed with TM and the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread Vaj
On Aug 5, 2011, at 10:01 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 4, 2011, at 10:18 PM, sparaig wrote: Shall I invite Andrew to come critique everyone here? His background is such that he will, at best, call you self- deluded for

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread richardwillytexwilliams
If it's to be done over and over, it needs to be independently - not by MUM or the David Lynch Mob or Friends of TM here or there... sparaig: I keep asking you to identify the study where the subject was identified as being in samadhi. Apparently the study was done by Alan

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread richardwillytexwilliams
Andrew is probably one of the most insightful people when it comes to ™ and valid criticism. It's that naked, raw insight that so disturbs ™-TB's... authfriend: ROFL. Raw, naked insight unmixed with respect for accuracy. ROTFL!!! Subject: Andrew's notion of Historical

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 5, 2011, at 10:01 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 4, 2011, at 10:18 PM, sparaig wrote: Shall I invite Andrew to come critique everyone here?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread sparaig
Can you find a mention of samadhi in reference to this study? I've never been able to. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: If it's to be done over and over, it needs to be independently - not by MUM or the David Lynch Mob or

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
I did not know about this fellow, and my knowledge of the history of the Wikipedia edits is cursory, just based on my following links in replying to the previous post; I have never edited a Wikipedia article, but I do know that sometimes there are problems with the ideology impaired attempting

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 4, 2011, at 7:46 PM, sparaig wrote: snip ANdrew accused me of reverting an entire section when I first came into Wikipedia. He appolgized after I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread whynotnow7
This forum is like that battle in the Bhagavad-Gita. Is that the best you can do? Let's get even more grandiose and call it, FFL: Battle For Spiritual Truth And The Future Dominion Of The Universe Itself. or, alternatively, a bunch of fools talkin' smack.:-) --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: I did not know about this fellow, and my knowledge of the history of the Wikipedia edits is cursory, just based on my following links in replying to the previous post; I have never edited a Wikipedia article,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: snip I do not know Vaj, I do not know Barry, although we cross paths here, but I did meet John Knapp very briefly, more than a decade and a half before he left the TM movement, and I really did not have much

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread authfriend
P.S.: I have to say I find it *astonishing* that anyone would wonder why it's important to expose liars and refute lies, especially on a supposedly spiritually oriented newsgroup. If spirituality is about anything, it's about being and living as authentically as possible, IMHO. --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread obbajeeba
Sitting on both sides of the track, The Mahabharata does just that. Now where is the butterthe Gopi's... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: This forum is like that battle in the Bhagavad-Gita. Is that the best you can do? Let's get even more

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: I did not know about this fellow, and my knowledge of the history of the Wikipedia edits is cursory, just based on my following links in replying to the previous post; I have never edited a Wikipedia

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 4, 2011, at 7:46 PM, sparaig wrote: snip ANdrew accused

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-05 Thread sparaig
But who is is He Man and who is Skeletor? L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: This forum is like that battle in the Bhagavad-Gita. Is that the best you can do? Let's get even more grandiose and call it, FFL: Battle For Spiritual Truth And The Future

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness

2011-08-04 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
Reply to Lawson (sparaig) via Judy's (authfriend) post. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 1, 2011, at 8:49 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@

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