--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/21/06 12:14:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And unless you know exactly how the operation works you
don't know that isn't true.
They can start wiretapping
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/21/06 12:03:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a message dated 8/20/06 10:15:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
jstein@ writes:
NOBODY (except maybe Bhairitu) objects
In a message dated 8/21/06 4:50:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
[EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: In a message dated 8/21/06
12:14:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And unless you know
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/20/06 11:46:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And don't you think the Democratic party would have tweaked that
poll by the
Washington Post by emphasizing warrantless
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/21/06 12:14:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And unless you know exactly how the operation works you
don't know that isn't true.
They can start wiretapping *immediately*
In a message dated 8/21/06 7:56:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Otherwise, why not say "Almost Nobody"?I could have said that,
and I believe I have inother posts. But I started the sentence
with"Nobody," and then I thought, Well, I don't knowabout Bhairitu; I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
snip
and probably a high percentage of that
65% wouldn't trust their safety with a federal judge deciding
what could and could not be tapped.
Judges screw
In a message dated 8/21/06 8:27:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And unless you know exactly how the operation works you
don't know that isn't true. They can start wiretapping
*immediately*They can star getting a warrant first.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/21/06 7:56:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Otherwise, why not say Almost Nobody?
I could have said that, and I believe I have in
other posts. But I started the sentence
In a message dated 8/21/06 8:54:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
attorney
general has to approve an emergencyauthorization and be sure that he can
make a goodcase for getting a warrant after the fact (within72
hours).Claiming that requirement *hampers* the
In a message dated 8/21/06 8:54:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Claiming
that requirement *hampers* the institutionof a wiretap amounts to saying
NSA wants to be ableto institute emergency wiretaps *without good
reason*.Does that make you feel secure that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Remember when we had Osama's telephone
number? Actually we knew he was using a satellite phone and we
could easily listen in on his conversations. The New York times blew
that for us by printing the story. What did
In a message dated 8/21/06 8:58:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The FISA
judges are appointed by the chief justiceof the Supreme Court. Are you
suggesting a highpercentage of the 65% don't trust the chief justiceto
make good appointments?(The chief justice,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
Nope. You're going to have to look a whole lot
harder if you hope to find anything you can portray
as my thinking like Republicans.
(I should qualify that, too. There are *some*
honest Republicans, just not
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/21/06 4:50:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com)
, MDixon6569@, MDi
In a message dated 8/21/06
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/21/06 8:27:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And unless you know exactly how the operation works you
don't know that isn't true.
They can start wiretapping
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
In a message dated 8/21/06 8:27:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
MDixon6569@ writes:
[I wrote:]
They can start wiretapping *immediately* without
getting a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/21/06 8:58:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The FISA judges are appointed by the chief justice
of the Supreme Court. Are you suggesting a high
percentage of the 65% don't
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/21/06 8:54:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Claiming that requirement *hampers* the institution
of a wiretap amounts to saying NSA wants to be able
to institute emergency
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/20/06 9:56:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The problem is that the FISA issue is too complicated for the average
American and most of those polled probably really didn't understand the
issue. That 65% might have a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/20/06 9:56:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The problem is that the FISA issue is too complicated for the average
American and most of
sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/20/06 9:56:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The problem is that the FISA issue is too complicated for the average
American
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
sparaig wrote:
[...]
Actually, that would be two-way vid-screens. ANd, if you're using a webcam
that
doesn'[t
have a physical securty feature to physically block the camera, you already
have one of
those.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
I think more importantly a large percentage of people probably
don't trust judges in general with their personal safety
especially when it comes to matters of national security.
Latest CNN poll:
Most Americans (54 percent)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
snip
I think more importantly a large percentage of people probably
don't trust judges in general with their personal safety
especially when it comes to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
snip
The poll didn't mention specifically warrantless wire taps but
that issue had been
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
In a message dated 8/19/06 6:33:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
sparaig@ writes:
As I mentioned earlier the date of your poll was in January or
2006.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
In a message dated 8/19/06 6:29:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
sparaig@ writes:
Did you miss the fact that the Pres can obtain the warrant
within
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
In a message dated 8/19/06 6:18:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
sparaig@ writes:
Of curse, none of these polls quite asks about the real issue:
should
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
In a message dated 8/19/06 6:33:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
sparaig@ writes:
As I mentioned earlier the date of your poll was in January or
2006.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
In a message dated 8/19/06 6:33:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
sparaig@ writes:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
In a message dated 8/19/06 6:29:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
sparaig@ writes:
In a message dated 8/19/06 6:58:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So, you
think that a substantial number of Americans would respond in the negative to
this question?Does the President have the right to conduct
wiretaps in the war on terror as long as he
In a message dated 8/19/06 7:19:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Congress
has set up a law requiring him to get a warrant after-the-fact. Are you saying
that, in the day and age of instant communcations, the President doesn't
have to follow the law because
In a message dated 8/19/06 7:20:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But if I
didn't try to clarify my position, then the person calling me a liar would be
perfectly justified in assuming I WAS lying. You, Barry and Shemp appear
to: enjoy lying, or enjoy bating
In a message dated 8/19/06 7:19:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Spair, I had no problem answering your poll. Your poll as I read it only
asked about warrentless wire taps in general. Not about issues
of national security involving foreign terrorists
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/19/06 6:58:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So, you think that a substantial number of Americans would respond in the
negative to
this question?
Does the President have the right to conduct wiretaps in the war on
In a message dated 8/19/06 7:56:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You, in
contrast, deliberately misrepresented a poll.As far as I'm concerned, that
was a lie.
I never misrepresented the poll. I simply sited the Washington Post poll
dated May 11, 2006 which
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/19/06 7:19:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Congress has set up a law requiring him to get a warrant
after-the-fact. Are you saying that, in the day and age of
instant
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/19/06 6:58:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So, you think that a substantial number of Americans would respond in the
negative to
this question?
Does the President have
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/19/06 7:56:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You, in contrast, deliberately misrepresented a poll.
As far as I'm concerned, that was a lie.
I never misrepresented the
In a message dated 8/20/06 2:53:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is there a compelling rason for Bush NOT to comply with the law in this
particular case?
I believe I addressed what reasons I've heard in an earlier post. There may
be more I haven't heard.
In a message dated 8/20/06 2:57:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I never
misrepresented the poll. I simply sited the Washington Post poll
dated May 11, 2006 which backed my statement that the majority of Americans
support the NSA program which the poll
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/19/06 7:56:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You, in contrast, deliberately misrepresented a poll.
As far as I'm concerned, that was a lie.
I never misrepresented the poll. I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
IF it is the poll I am thinking of, it was done by ABC/Fox News,
not the Washington Post.
No, it was a Washington Post/ABC News poll.
ABC and Fox don't do polls together, as far
as I know.
To subscribe, send a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/20/06 2:53:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is there a compelling rason for Bush NOT to comply with the law in
this particular case?
I believe I addressed what reasons I've
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/19/06 7:20:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But if I didn't try to clarify my position, then the person
calling me a liar would be perfectly justified in assuming
I WAS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/19/06 6:58:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So, you think that a substantial number of Americans would
respond in the
negative to
this question?
Does the President have
--- MDixon wrote:
Presidents always have to follow the law. However the question is, is there
any wiggle room in that law under extraordinary circumstances such as war.
The
presidential legal teams think there is. Remember Lincoln suspended Habius
corpus, shut down the Maryland
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- MDixon wrote:
Presidents always have to follow the law. However the question
is, is there
any wiggle room in that law under extraordinary circumstances
such as war. The
presidential legal teams think
In a message dated 8/20/06 3:11:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
[EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: In a message dated 8/19/06
7:56:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You, in contrast,
In a message dated 8/20/06 3:34:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Not that
I've seen, beyond the bogus claim thatgetting a warrant involved "silly
red tape."
Then you haven't read all the posts or your memory is
failing.
__._,_.___
To subscribe, send a
In a message dated 8/20/06 7:07:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
MD, you
recount these extreme measures by past presidents as if they were all
justified. I'm not ready to assume they were. For example, I've
encountered many citations of Lincoln suspending
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/20/06 7:07:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
MD, you recount these extreme measures by past presidents
as if they were all justified. I'm not ready to assume they
were. For
In a message dated 8/20/06 7:40:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
"Patrick Gillam" [EMAIL PROTECTED]. wrote: ---
MDixon wrote: Presidents always have to follow the
law. However the question is, is there
In a message dated 8/20/06 9:07:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a message dated 8/20/06 7:07:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MD, you recount these extreme measures
by past presidents as if they were all justified. I'm not
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/20/06 3:11:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
snip
What was *not* fine was your misrepresentation of it
as supporting WARRANTLESS wiretapping, which it most
certainly did not.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/20/06 3:34:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Not that I've seen, beyond the bogus claim that
getting a warrant involved silly red tape.
Then you haven't read all the posts or
In a message dated 8/20/06 9:17:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Except
that in every poll I'm aware of that askedabout WARRANTLESS wiretapping
explicitly, a majorityDID NOT approve of it.
The polls you sited either failed to mention the calls involved in the
In a message dated 8/20/06 9:18:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I* had
to dig up the administration's rationalefor not wanting to have to
get warrants. YOu didn'tsay a word about it other than the silly "silly
redtape" comment.
I did later
__._,_.___
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/20/06 7:40:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com)
, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
---
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/20/06 7:07:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
MD, you recount these extreme measures by past presidents
as if they were all justified. I'm not ready to assume they
were. For
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/20/06 9:17:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Except that in every poll I'm aware of that asked
about WARRANTLESS wiretapping explicitly, a majority
DID NOT approve of it.
In a message dated 8/20/06 9:32:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
[EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: In a message dated 8/20/06
7:40:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
--- In
In a message dated 8/20/06 9:32:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Bullshit. If it were President Hillary Clintondoing warrantless
wiretapping, they could hearyou right-wingers screeching about it as
faraway as Pluto.
Yes, Hillary did get her hands on the FBI
In a message dated 8/20/06 9:38:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
After
the Republicans had lied up a storm about thenature of the program, you
mean.
What lies specifically did the republicans tell about the nature of
the program?
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To subscribe,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/20/06 7:07:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
MD, you recount these extreme measures by past presidents
as if they were all justified. I'm not ready to assume they
were. For example, I've encountered many citations of
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/20/06 9:07:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a message dated 8/20/06 7:07:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
MD, you recount these extreme measures by past presidents
as if they were all
authfriend wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/20/06 7:07:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
MD, you recount these extreme measures by past presidents
as if they were all justified. I'm not ready to assume
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/20/06 9:38:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
After the Republicans had lied up a storm about the
nature of the program, you mean.
What lies specifically did the republicans
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
The problem is that the FISA issue is too complicated for the average
American and most of those polled probably really didn't understand
the issue.
Largely because the administration and its supporters
were doing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
In a message dated 8/20/06 9:38:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
jstein@ writes:
After the Republicans had lied up a storm about the
nature of the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
authfriend wrote:
snip
NOBODY (except maybe Bhairitu) objects to
wiretapping with judicial oversight. We've
been doing that forever.
Where did I say that?
Don't know that you did; I just thought if anybody
would
authfriend wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
authfriend wrote:
snip
NOBODY (except maybe Bhairitu) objects to
wiretapping with judicial oversight. We've
been doing that forever.
Where did I say that?
Don't know that you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/20/06 7:07:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
MD, you recount these extreme measures by past presidents
as if they were all justified. I'm not ready to assume they
were. For
In a message dated 8/20/06 10:45:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well,
yeah, but at least he would be obeying the
law
You don't know that he isn't. You have the opinion of one very liberal
judge playing politics with the matter.
__._,_.___
To
In a message dated 8/20/06 10:36:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My
arguments have been against Bush being above the law not that wiretaps are
wrong. These laws must be used in a sensible way or we have lost
everything that was fought for in the last 230
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/20/06 10:45:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, yeah, but at least he would be obeying the law
You don't know that he isn't. You have the opinion of one very
In a message dated 8/20/06 9:56:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The
problem is that the FISA issue is too complicated for the average American
and most of those polled probably really didn't understand the issue. That
65% might have a different opinion if
In a message dated 8/20/06 10:03:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What
lies specifically did the republicans tell about the nature of the
program?That it was all perfectly legal, that Bush had
beenauthorized to do it by the resolution on the use offorce in
In a message dated 8/20/06 10:08:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Oh,
yeah, and the biggie, of course, that having toget a warrant kept them
from being able to act onthreats quickly
enough.
And unless you know exactly how the operation works you don't know
In a message dated 8/20/06 10:08:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The
problem is that the FISA issue is too complicated for the average
American and most of those polled probably really didn't understand
the issue.Largely because the administration and its
In a message dated 8/20/06 10:58:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You
don't know that he isn't. You have the opinion of one very liberal judge
playing politics with the matter.??? Defacto, laws
are to be obeyed until a judge rules
OTHERWISE.
Bush isn't
In a message dated 8/20/06 10:15:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
NOBODY (except maybe Bhairitu) objects to wiretapping
with judicial oversight. We've been doing that forever.
Where did I say that?Don't know that you did; I just
thought if anybodywould
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/20/06 9:56:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The problem is that the FISA issue is too complicated for the
average
American and most of those polled probably really didn't
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/20/06 10:45:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, yeah, but at least he would be obeying the law
You don't know that he isn't. You have the opinion of one very
liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/20/06 10:36:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My arguments have been against Bush being above the law not that
wiretaps are wrong. These laws must be used in a sensible way or
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/20/06 10:03:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
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What lies specifically did the republicans tell about the nature
of the program?
That it was all perfectly legal, that Bush had
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NOBODY (except maybe Bhairitu) objects to
wiretapping with judicial oversight. We've
been doing that forever.
Where did I
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In a message dated 8/20/06 10:08:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
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The problem is that the FISA issue is too complicated for the
average
American and most of those polled probably really didn't
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Oh, yeah, and the biggie, of course, that having to
get a warrant kept them from being able to act on
threats quickly enough.
In a message dated 8/20/06 11:46:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
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And
don't you think the Democratic party would have tweaked that poll by the
Washington Post by emphasizing warrantless wiretaps in another poll
after May 11, if they thought they could have
In a message dated 8/21/06 12:14:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
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And
unless you know exactly how the operation works you don't know that
isn't true.They can start wiretapping *immediately*,
withoutgetting a warrant first. That's in the FISA
law.
And as
In a message dated 8/21/06 12:03:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a message dated 8/20/06 10:15:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: NOBODY (except maybe
Bhairitu) objects to wiretapping with judicial oversight.
We've been
*Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little
Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
-- Benjamin Franklin
Spinoza and Leibniz, born within a few years of each other, both
recognized and wrote about man's immortality and the process of
evolution through
According to Benjamin Creme, Benjamin Franklin is currently in
incarnation, living in Washington DC.
I heard he is playing Delta Blues there as a one-man-band.
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*Those who would give up Essential Liberty to
In a message dated 8/18/06 6:07:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
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[EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:snip No , not at all. Most
people want the current NSA program in place and it is still going on
while it is appealed.Wrong. A
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
[EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:snip No , not at all. Most
people want the current NSA program in place and it is still going on
while it is appealed.Wrong. A
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No , not at all. Most people want the
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