[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-12-18 Thread zarzari_786
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coldbluiceman no_reply@... wrote: To whom ever wrote this.. Your answer is very simple.. With regards to TM and anything Mahesh Yogi wrote or ever said about God was from his own perspective.. Nothing Mahesh Yogi said was regarding God was remotely

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-12-16 Thread zarzari_786
I must say, that until now, I was quite clueless of what is going on here at FFL. I mean to say, I can of course read the threads, but I was puzzled by the melodramas that seem to be going on here. I was especially puzzled by one voice, which seemd to me full of contradictions, romanticising,

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-12-16 Thread coldbluiceman
To whom ever wrote this.. Your answer is very simple.. With regards to TM and anything Mahesh Yogi wrote or ever said about God was from his own perspective.. Nothing Mahesh Yogi said was regarding God was remotely accurate!! Just look at Mahesh Yogi's teacher-- Sri Brahmananda -- whom referred

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-12-16 Thread Buck
Coldblu, thanks for the recap (edits) of this. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coldbluiceman no_reply@... wrote: To whom ever wrote this.. Your answer is very simple.. With regards to TM and anything Mahesh Yogi wrote or ever said about God was from his own perspective..

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-11 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Put it this way (I realize I am interpreting Aquinas on behalf of Aquinas: I wish he could tell us directly what he meant; still I feel confident in being his spokesman!): his straw comment would be the same as someone who

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-11 Thread merudanda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply @... wrote: snip My dear beloved one , discoverer of the PhantomEnlightenment Syndrome (lol), you are right not BACH . During the Read of your postings (being endorsed see Message #276579)heard more this massive double fugue

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-11 Thread maskedzebra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: RESPONSE IV: I have checked out Anthony Campbell's website, authfriend, and read excerpts from two of his books: he is very good, I think. I plan to read his book: Totality Beliefs and the Religious Imagination. Thanks for

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-11 Thread maskedzebra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply @... wrote: snip My dear beloved one , discoverer of the PhantomEnlightenment Syndrome (lol), you are right not BACH . During the Read of your postings

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: snip RESPONSE IV: I have checked out Anthony Campbell's website, authfriend, (May I ask you to call me Judy?) and read excerpts from two of his books: he is very good, I think. I plan to read his book: Totality Beliefs

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-07 Thread danfriedman2002
Bob, No need for additional writing practice; I may be the only one who didn´t see the joke, lacking enough experience with your posts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: If my post to Ravi is thought of as anything more than a joke I need more writing

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-07 Thread danfriedman2002
Rory, I agree that we are all One, but different. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Are these tricks commonplace on FFL? Just need to know what I'm getting in to.

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-07 Thread danfriedman2002
Ravi, Thanks for the coaching. I guess you, for one, are providing the ¨Reader Beware¨caution, on request. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Looks like it Bob :-), anyway thanks to Alex for the explanation. Dan - anyone can start playing tricks and making

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-05 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Exactly 37 years ago I was hitchiking from Snowass, Colorado to Cobb Mountain California for my SCI (Science of Creative Intelligence) course, as part of my overall objective to become a teacher (initiator) of TM.

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-05 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Thanks Steve, I can understand the conflict between passing your knowledge to your children and giving them ready made beliefs and I think you made a right choice in the end, to not impose anything on them. I have similar

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-04 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Not exactly related, but my moment came at Livingston Manor around 1977 or 78 when I got interviewed by Reed Martin for going on a mission to Zambia. I was rejected, for relating what was a pretty good experience,

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-04 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: It was not easy, I don't think there is any more committed narcissist than me on FFL. Hey that's me !!! You might say its just me and the turkeys I hang with and of course I couldn't prove you wrong. But then again I

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-04 Thread seventhray1
Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: I could elaborate more, but think I'll stop here. You didn't have to :-) Thanks for the prompting. Here's what I was going to say. I was going to bring it up to the present. Exactly 37 years ago I was hitchiking from

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-04 Thread authfriend
MZ, I'm going to bow out of the devil's advocate role with regard to the larger issues your perspective raises and leave it to Curtis and at_man, for whom the advocacy is much more personal. I just don't have the investment to put up a good enough fight to provide the challenge you're looking for.

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-04 Thread feste37
Thanks for the reply, MZ! I wasn't, as of course I am sure you realize, trying to convince you of the possibility of an East-West reconciliation. I was just offering a few thoughts stimulated by your very interesting posts. I am quite sure that were I to develop those thoughts more I might

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-03 Thread maskedzebra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Dear Feste36, I didn't miss seeing this, and as you will understand, it (and because of where it seemed to come from) was consoling to me. Indeed

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-03 Thread Buck
Feste, nice writing. Who were the spiritual teachers that you allude to who helped you come to this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: , but I have all my adult life (I started TM when I was 17) imbibed the Indian philosophy of unity is all there is.

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-03 Thread feste37
As far as experiencing oneself as the Great Vast Nothing: Gangaji first, in about 1996-98, and then Arjuna, who taught a workshop here in 1999. They showed me what I had overlooked all those years, and I just laughed the first time I got it. How could I have missed it? And yet in TM we were

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-03 Thread Bob Price
Finally, a Socratic dialogue! I now may be able to make some posters happy and go away. I want to thank both feste37 and MZ. for teaching me something. Comment below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: This struck a

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-03 Thread seventhray1
Bob, thanks for a peek behind the curtain. Short comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: . One of the reasons I left the movement was that I just couldn't keep mustering the cognitive dissonance required to give the improved social behaviour part

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-02 Thread RoryGoff
Hey, Jim! It's an interesting question... I tend to see Brown as a saturated version of Magenta, the color of the Forestress (or Pisces), whose shadow-side is the victim: the confused and betrayed one, who matures through forgiveness and temperance into the networker and communal

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-02 Thread whynotnow7
Interesting. There is a redemption sequence built into the song. I'll post a link to it soon maybe. Thanks Ro-ri! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: Hey, Jim! It's an interesting question... I tend to see Brown as a saturated version of Magenta, the color

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-02 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: I note there is a Catholic priest in Brazil teaching children Transcendental Meditation. I have seen the David Lynch tape. An obviously sincere and heroic character, this priest nevertheless (it's not his fault: his

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-02 Thread maskedzebra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: I note there is a Catholic priest in Brazil teaching children Transcendental Meditation. I have seen the David Lynch tape. An obviously

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-02 Thread maskedzebra
Dear Feste36, I didn't miss seeing this, and as you will understand, it (and because of where it seemed to come from) was consoling to me. Indeed at the point that I read it, I was seriously considering suspending operations (for at least a week: the proper sentence for having abused my

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-02 Thread Tom Pall
On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 11:36 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: I note there is a Catholic priest in Brazil teaching children Transcendental Meditation. I have seen the David Lynch tape. An obviously

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-02 Thread emptybill
Yep, them ol' hindoo demons are out to destroy us all. Why, if you say one of their man-truh names jus' once they'll seize yer soul. It's only the luckiest souls that will get to join the demons as their slaves in hell. The other souls, weakened by concupiscence, will be sucked dry and perish

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-02 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: snip Frankly, the wife thinks AuthFriend is the only Normie on FFL and said if it wasn't for AuthFriends presence on FFL she would insist I start on my

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-02 Thread feste37
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Dear Feste36, I didn't miss seeing this, and as you will understand, it (and because of where it seemed to come from) was consoling to me. Indeed at the point that I read it, I was seriously considering suspending

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-01 Thread RoryGoff
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 6:49 PM, maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: Dear Tom, Just to clear one thing up. I never paid any attention to post counts, because I never knew anything about limits. I probably should have; no doubt I was sent this information. But if ignorance is

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-01 Thread maskedzebra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 6:49 PM, maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: Dear Tom, Just to clear one thing up. I never paid any attention to post counts, because I never knew anything about limits. I

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-01 Thread Ravi Yogi
MZ, ignore Tom - he hates everyone so it's nothing personal. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: RC, don't place limits on yourself like that. Take next week and the week after and the week after. But Nature's already taking its course. You're quickly

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-01 Thread feste37
Don't go, Masked Zebra. We love you. You make us think. Usually we just hurl insults. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 6:49 PM, maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: Dear Tom, Just to clear one thing up. I never paid

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-01 Thread Tom Pall
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 3:34 AM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: MZ, ignore Tom - he hates everyone so it's nothing personal. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: RC, don't place limits on yourself like that. Take next week and the week after and the

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-01 Thread whynotnow7
I just thought it would be kind of fun to deliberately create an imbalance of power and influence here and see what happens. Given all the cult talk here, perhaps we produce one within FFL? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Sounds like you're

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-01 Thread RoryGoff
Dear Robin, What a beautiful letter from a beautiful soul; the clarity and integrity of your love feels as sweet and gently pervasive as ever -- moreso even. I never dreamed you would someday read my account of our interaction; what an odd feeling of self-recognition that is! And the occult

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Because in reading Catholic philosophers—like Aquinas—I find myself intuiting the cosmos as they experienced it—I sort of read this off of their writing. MZ, I have a question for you. Xeno called

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-01 Thread maskedzebra
Just for the record, Tom: all that I have written here (that isn't deliberately ironic) is utterly sincere—sincere here means, my motives are honourable (at least as far as I can consciously know them). As for your condemnation of my writing: style and form of argumentation, I must admit I

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-01 Thread RoryGoff
(Perhaps St. Thomas of Aquinas really meant shit when he called his writings straw after some kind of an intellectual gut-punch, evisceration or death. Perhaps in the heart of the incomprehensible Divine's unconditional love, shit is exactly the same as crystal and gold. And perhaps the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-01 Thread Bob Price
Rory, As always, thanks for your input and as usual I think you're on to something. In eastern dream interpretation doesn't shit symbolize money? From: RoryGoff roryg...@hotmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, July 1, 2011 11:21:53 AM

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-01 Thread RoryGoff
As always, thank you, Bob; I am so tickled that you are here. As to Eastern dream interpretation, I don't know shit. As for me, I like to view everything everyone throws my way, or ascribes to me, as an offering. Often the offering is an aspect of Wholeness or Reality which the offerer

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-07-01 Thread whynotnow7
Ro-ri! You speak about the green caregiver. What can you say about the color brown and its associations? I am putting a song together and decided to call it Green Meets Brown, without really knowing what that means, and I am curious since you have already spoken about green and red in ways that

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread Ravi Yogi
Dear MZ - I'm losing you. I asked you for your experiences on becoming clean i.e becoming enlightened or going beyond belief but instead I have is how you switched from one set of dirty underwear (your beliefs on Vedic philosophy/MMY) to another set of dirty underwear (Catholicism/Aquinas). ---

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread maskedzebra
The test of a person's sincerity is: how do they unconsciously compensate for what they do not and cannot know about why they are existing and why they are the particular who that is existing. I see that even Curtis grants you some respect. Although in that BatGap interview with Rick Archer

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread Ravi Yogi
Dear maskedzebra - I think you are totally spot on with most of your comments. The only thing I disagree is that I am not sincere, I am brutally sincere from time to time and made a few posts which can be labelled as very sincere. I have explained earlier that I loved your quote maximum sincerity

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread Ravi Yogi
Dear maskedzebra - your message is so beautiful that I'm forced to respond to this excellent judgement of my nature (except for the zero sincerity part) line by line, I say you are a very smart individual. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: The test of a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Jun 30, 2011, at 3:44 AM, Ravi Yogi wrote: Dear maskedzebra - your message is so beautiful that I'm forced to respond to this excellent judgement of my nature (except for the zero sincerity part) line by line, I say you are a very smart individual. This could be the start of a beautiful

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread PaliGap
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: [snip] What is the proof of the truth of this judgment of you? That you will manifest not the slightest bewilderment, confusion, wonder, perplexity, concern over what I have said—BUT WILL COME BACK WITH A RESPONSE

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: [snip] What is the proof of the truth of this judgment of you? That you will manifest not the slightest bewilderment, confusion, wonder,

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread whynotnow7
Thanks for sharing that lovely quote by Patanjali. Just as the Bible has been rewritten to reflect the consciousness of those who hold it to be scripture, I wonder too about the Koran and how many pens it has passed through to find its final form. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread PaliGap
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: ... Patanjali, a Hindu, under the sway of evil Vedic gods, believed that sinners create their own punishment: Negative thoughts and emotions are violent, in that they cause injury to yourself and others, regardless

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread RoryGoff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: [snip] What is the proof of the truth of this judgment of you? That you will manifest not the slightest bewilderment, confusion, wonder,

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RoryGoff Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:19 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam Therefore, if a man be dangerous and

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: (And if this post gets me kicked off of FFL, so be it. As much as my inner adolescent would *love* an excuse to shout, Take off, zebra!, FFL is a hardcore free-speech zone, with the only strictly enforced restrictions

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread Bob Price
MZ, Sorry for my tardiness. The wife threatened me with lawyers if I didn't get off of FFL for a day and take her to her favourite SPA in Napa. Yes, her idea of a Monday long weekend starts the previous Wednesday. She still does TM straight up and loves Maharishi so what can I do. I've kept

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread maskedzebra
Perfect enjoyment demands intelligence. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Dear maskedzebra - your message is so beautiful that I'm forced to respond to this excellent judgement of my nature (except for the zero sincerity part) line by line, I say you are a

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jun 30, 2011, at 3:44 AM, Ravi Yogi wrote: Dear maskedzebra - your message is so beautiful that I'm forced to respond to this excellent judgement of my nature (except for the zero sincerity part) line by line, I say

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread Ravi Yogi
Thanks to Pali and raunchy for those quotes, but like you I might give them a pass - I am sure they were metaphorical. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Thanks for sharing that lovely quote by Patanjali. Just as the Bible has been rewritten to reflect the

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Perfect enjoyment demands intelligence. Thanks MZ - a good one.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread Tom Pall
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: (And if this post gets me kicked off of FFL, so be it. As much as my inner adolescent would *love* an excuse to shout, Take off,

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread emptybill
This is just a styoopid paraphrase of Arnaud Amaury famous quote during the crusade against the Albisengian Cathars - i.e. when his men could not distinguish between the Catholics and Cathars. He commanded: Kill them all, God will know his own. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Pall Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:45 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:39 PM,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread Tom Pall
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: *From:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Pall *Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:45 PM *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Pall Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:28 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam It's not has he but did he. But we

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread maskedzebra
The soul is potentially everything and it is what it is by becoming all things. So it is possible for the perfection of the whole world to exist in one thing. . .the entire system of the cosmos, complete with all its causes, may be delineated in the soul. This is the last end of man. [and it

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of maskedzebra Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:37 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam The soul is potentially everything

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Newbies get the instructions mailed to them and aren't exempt from the posting limits. Well, I was Mr. Nice Guy and let him slide on the basis of his newbiedom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/280573

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread maskedzebra
Dear Tom, Just to clear one thing up. I never paid any attention to post counts, because I never knew anything about limits. I probably should have; no doubt I was sent this information. But if ignorance is no excuse under the law, you at least should know that I was plumb dumb about this

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread Rick Archer
OK, I see that was last week and presumably this week he's within the limits, so we'll let it slide. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:45 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject:

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread whynotnow7
I say we get started on establishing a cult of personality here. So MZ gets ten extra posts per week AND gets to veto anything he wants three times in a week, having absolute moderator power. Then anyone who follows him is granted similar liberties, only not as many. Whadd'ya say? It doesn't

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread feste37
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: Hey Raunchy - as our resident poet, I came across this the other day. Do you like it? (It comforts me as I wait in fear for some LARGE zebra to get all medieval on my arse as he did with Ravi (peace be upon his

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: (And if this post gets me kicked off of FFL, so be it. I will not withdraw my comments for any reason.) Au contraire. I think this post marks the high water mark of your time here.

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread shanti2218411
MZ,it seems to me all intellectual systems fall short of direct experience in revealing the TRUTH(e.g Summa Theologiae).Apparently Thomas Aquinas thought so. The Summa Theologiae, his last and, unfortunately, uncompleted work, deals with the whole of Catholic theology. He stopped work on it

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: (And if this post gets me kicked off of FFL, so be it. As much as my inner adolescent would *love* an excuse to shout, Take off, zebra!,

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread seventhray1
I guess no exceptions for any rules in your world Tom? Show a little leinency, under the circumstances. I mean it's not like he was posting racist scribes or anything. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: It's not has he but did he. But we must make

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread seventhray1
Well let's stamp out the most interesting talk we have here in about five years for the sake of this rule, which was overridden under what most people would consider reasonable circumstances. rules are RULES after all. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@...

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread whynotnow7
It does look like MZ has only posted 17 times this week. What's the big deal? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Well let's stamp out the most interesting talk we have here in about five years for the sake of this rule, which was overridden under what

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread Bob Price
From: whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, June 30, 2011 4:54:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam I say we get started on establishing a cult of personality here. So

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread Bob Price
From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, June 30, 2011 6:20:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread seventhray1
Sounds like you're nominating yourself Jim. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: I say we get started on establishing a cult of personality here. So MZ gets ten extra posts per week AND gets to veto anything he wants three times in a week, having absolute

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread Bob Price
From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, June 30, 2011 6:20:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Jun 30, 2011, at 9:35 PM, seventhray1 wrote: Well let's stamp out the most interesting talk we have here in about five years for the sake of this rule, which was overridden under what most people would consider reasonable circumstances. rules are RULES after all. You mean *my* posts aren't

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread Ravi Yogi
A dull evening at the FFL Pub? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Sounds like you're nominating yourself Jim. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I say we get started on establishing a cult of personality here.

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread richardjwilliamstexas
I think this post marks the high water mark of your time here. Bob Price: I'm still waiting for the RESPONSE to that bait and switch spitball reducing western civilization to Dualism... Maybe he believes in dualism - after all, we all have two eyes, right? And, most of us have two

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: I don't think he's anywhere near his high water mark. I'm still waiting for the RESPONSE to that bait and switch spitball reducing western civilization to Dualism.__,_._,_ Bob, You're out of my league with all the heavy

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jun 30, 2011, at 9:35 PM, seventhray1 wrote: Well let's stamp out the most interesting talk we have here in about five years for the sake of this rule, which was overridden under what most people would consider

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread seventhray1
Buy us a round Ravi. I surely could use some divine vodka right about now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: A dull evening at the FFL Pub? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: Sounds like you're nominating yourself

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread Bob Price
Maybe he believes in dualism - after all, we all have two eyes, right? And, most of us have two ears. Not for nothing do we have one single pie hole with one single output orifice, Bob. I have an idea what Turq thinks about dualism, just waiting to hear

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: I have an idea what Turq thinks about dualism, just waiting to hear if MZ agrees. I don't mean to be argumentative but we don't all have two eyes Yea, but that's exactly what you are asking for. Two (ayes)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-30 Thread Tom Pall
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 6:49 PM, maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: Dear Tom, Just to clear one thing up. I never paid any attention to post counts, because I never knew anything about limits. I probably should have; no doubt I was sent this information. But if ignorance is no excuse

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-29 Thread maskedzebra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Because in reading Catholic philosophers—like Aquinas—I find myself intuiting the cosmos as they experienced it—I sort of read this off of their writing.

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-29 Thread Ravi Yogi
Dear MZ - Thank you for this detailed description of your views on reality and why you come to the conclusion that your enlightenment was a mystical deceit. Before I make a detailed response I would like your continued indulgence in responding to some of the questions I have. I have had these

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-29 Thread Sal Sunshine
Actually, Bob, I was mistaken. It's not 00.1%, it's 0.1%. (there is one less zero now). Mea culpa and all that. Also, you can never have too much Leonard Cohen in your day. Sal On Jun 28, 2011, at 12:04 PM, Bob Price wrote: My god Sal, am I so out of date? It

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-29 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Jun 28, 2011, at 2:00 PM, maskedzebra wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jun 27, 2011, at 3:09 PM, maskedzebra wrote: I am, however, going to ask you to slow down on the tour preparations. That's a pretty big move for this willed

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-29 Thread Vaj
On Jun 29, 2011, at 2:59 AM, maskedzebra wrote: That is, refuse to allow myself to surrender to God in this Hindu- pantheistic form, and realize that, somehow, fallen angels were deceiving me into experiencing reality in such a way which was contrary to THE WAY IT ACTUALLY IS. What do

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

2011-06-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jun 29, 2011, at 2:59 AM, maskedzebra wrote: That is, refuse to allow myself to surrender to God in this Hindu- pantheistic form, and realize that, somehow, fallen angels were deceiving me into experiencing

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