[FairfieldLife] Re: The Magical Puja Placebo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@... wrote: These ex-TM people who spent a decade or less in the TMO and then spend the rest of their lives coming to terms with their cult indoctrination make me scratch my head. You're not a TRUE cultist until you've spent at least three decades in the cult.
[FairfieldLife] Kimi's NASCAR debut!
http://www.octetort.com/2011/04/analysing-raikkonens-nascar-move.html I can't wait for him to come in [the media center] and do an interview because the one-word answers that you guys are going to get out of those questions is going to be hilarious to watch. I might come in here for that first session! joked four-time Sprint Cup champion Jeff Gordon when asked at Martinsville about Raikkonen's arrival in NASCAR.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Magical Puja Placebo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: These ex-TM people who spent a decade or less in the TMO and then spend the rest of their lives coming to terms with their cult indoctrination make me scratch my head. You're not a TRUE cultist until you've spent at least three decades in the cult. Sometimes I get the feeling that long-term TM enthusiasts are like those people who organize high school reunions. You know the type I'm talking about, right? They're so bubbly and over- enthusiastic about perpetuating their youth and acting out their own inability to get over the past that they can't comprehend why everyone they contact about the reunion doesn't feel the same way. And why they look at them that way.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Magical Puja Placebo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: These ex-TM people who spent a decade or less in the TMO and then spend the rest of their lives coming to terms with their cult indoctrination make me scratch my head. You're not a TRUE cultist until you've spent at least three decades in the cult. What does it mean when you pronounce everyone else is a cultist while missing that you might have issues, yourself... L
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Magical Puja Placebo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: These ex-TM people who spent a decade or less in the TMO and then spend the rest of their lives coming to terms with their cult indoctrination make me scratch my head. You're not a TRUE cultist until you've spent at least three decades in the cult. What does it mean when you pronounce everyone else is a cultist while missing that you might have issues, yourself... What does it mean when current cultists feel the need to portray former cultists who are honest enough with themselves to realized they were a part of a cult and who still have some lingering curiosity about those who have never reached that point as having something *wrong* with them? I mean, there is a concerted attempt on this forum to portray anyone who still finds the machinations of current-day cultists fascinating from a curiosity standpoint as having something *wrong* with us. Our curiosity doesn't mean that we're still attached to the cult or its leader or its dogma the way the current-day cultists are, merely that we find those who still feel that way curious. As I suggested before, it's sorta like going to a high school reunion and running into people for whom high school was the high point of their lives. You've got yer popular kids (those who became TM teachers and worked for the TMO) who were members of all the right clubs and were voted Most likely to... and who still identify so strongly with that image of themselves that they attempt to pretend that they are still those same people, and not the owner of a car wash in Peoria. Then you've got yer folks who never fit it even back in high school (the ones who never became TM teachers, never did a lick of work for the TMO, but feel that they deserve being treated as if they did). They were members of the Debate Club, or the National Honor Society or some other group of dweebs, and none of the popular kids ever wanted to have anything to do with them. On some level they're *still* trying to get the popular kids to accept them as their equals, which is never going to happen. Even sadder, at every high school reunion there is someone like Ravi, who never even *went* to that high school, but is so desperate for attention that he attends its reunions anyway. It's all so Romy And Michele's High School Reunion. I'm just curious, that's all. High school (the TM movement) was not that big a part of my life, and certainly not on any level that fueled attachment. But I'm still fascinated by those for whom the attachment factor (and the seemingly corollary need to praise the similarly-attached and demonize those who got over it) is as present for them now as it was back in the heyday of TM's fleeting popularity. All I do is point out some of the silliness of the TM movement, past and present. There is more than enough of this silliness so that I never lack for material. It's not the silliness *itself* that fascinates me, but the *reactions* to it by those who've seemingly never realized how much allegiance and attachment they have for the silliness, and how much anger they have towards people who do nothing but point out that it's ...uh...silly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Magical Puja Placebo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: As I suggested before, it's sorta like going to a high school reunion and running into people for whom high school was the high point of their lives. You've got yer popular kids (those who became TM teachers and worked for the TMO) who were members of all the right clubs and were voted Most likely to... and who still identify so strongly with that image of themselves that they attempt to pretend that they are still those same people, and not the owner of a car wash in Peoria. Then you've got yer folks who never fit it even back in high school (the ones who never became TM teachers, never did a lick of work for the TMO, but feel that they deserve being treated as if they did). They were members of the Debate Club, or the National Honor Society or some other group of dweebs, and none of the popular kids ever wanted to have anything to do with them. On some level they're *still* trying to get the popular kids to accept them as their equals, which is never going to happen. Even sadder, at every high school reunion there is someone like Ravi, who never even *went* to that high school, but is so desperate for attention that he attends its reunions anyway. It's all so Romy And Michele's High School Reunion. Romy and Michele decide that going back to their reunion as themselves would just be too humiliating, so they decide to go as successful business women. Trouble is (and at the beginning of the next clip), they forget to think up a business: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DVPddRbP2I This clip for me is like watching the ongoing My spiritual teacher/tradition is better than yours or My scripture is cooler than yours or My understanding of Maharishi's teachings is better than yours routines on FFL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-flRLQcNb9o And here's the fantasy that all kids who were never popular in high school have about how their reunion is going to turn out. On FFL, it's counterpart is something like Wow, now that you mention it, you are RIGHT about everything and I was WRONG about everything. I can't believe that I've been so deluded for so long and you, who never even became a TM teacher, could have been so right. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPTUpn9ait8 :-)
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Friend Seeks Rental, Prefers MSV
Fwd from sherryle...@gmail.com Hi Friends, I am wanting to move from my present place of residence, and want to know if anyone is aware of, or has, a room or two that I may rent, maybe house sit. My preference is MSV, but would consider something else if best to do. June 1st is the desired move, but might consider later if really needed. If you know of anything, I would love to know about it right away. Thank you, Love, Sherry Hogue sherryle...@gmail.com 641-919-9641
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Magical Puja Placebo
On May 18, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: Perhaps a useful question is this: just how deep does the purity of the teaching have to be to ensure that a meditator has a correct experience of TM, or some other technique. From what teachers told me, there seem to be two elements. A mantra, and the correct way to use it, which is the right start of meditation, and then everything mostly takes care of itself. The simple answer is it needs to be an intact line with an appropriate delivery method. We now know two things: 1. Maharishi was NOT authorized by Swami Brahmananda to teach nor was he trained in how to do so. 2. Puja diksha is an authentic method for mantra initiation, but it requires a) an authentic teacher, which Mahesh was not, and b) an authentic means. The puja Maharishi created is a hodge podge of different goods, tacked onto one another. The important thing here is that we now know that the puja is largely derived from a student of Swami Brahmananda who was a poet and scholar. When Brahmananda was told of this poem, poem, he explicitly asked Mahesh to destroy it and throw it into the Ganges. Mahesh instead kept it and used it, against the direct wishes of his guru. So therefore we have an untrained and unauthorized student with no line of transmission using a made up, but very clever device to fool the unwary and to promote his own cause(s). The further fact that Mahesh's teaching is in direct opposition to SBS's closes this case. Verdict: phony guru with phony initiation ceremony, against the direct wishes of his guru...and millions of fooled customers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Kimi's NASCAR debut!
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 2:27 AM, cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: http://www.octetort.com/2011/04/analysing-raikkonens-nascar-move.html NASCAR. What a wonderful sport for FFL. Years and years of going around in circles, wasting gas, polluting the air.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Magical Puja Placebo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 18, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: Perhaps a useful question is this: just how deep does the purity of the teaching have to be to ensure that a meditator has a correct experience of TM, or some other technique. From what teachers told me, there seem to be two elements. A mantra, and the correct way to use it, which is the right start of meditation, and then everything mostly takes care of itself. The simple answer is it needs to be an intact line with an appropriate delivery method. We now know two things: 1. Maharishi was NOT authorized by Swami Brahmananda to teach nor was he trained in how to do so. While, from what I hear, this is true, that doesn't matter to me. The *whole TM technique* was made up. So was the puja. Big whoop. 2. Puja diksha is an authentic method for mantra initiation, but it requires a) an authentic teacher, which Mahesh was not, and b) an authentic means. The puja Maharishi created is a hodge podge of different goods, tacked onto one another. The important thing here is that we now know that the puja is largely derived from a student of Swami Brahmananda who was a poet and scholar. When Brahmananda was told of this poem, poem, he explicitly asked Mahesh to destroy it and throw it into the Ganges. Mahesh instead kept it and used it, against the direct wishes of his guru. Again, big whoop. I don't buy *anyone's* definition of authentic, including yours, Vaj. While I under- stand your right to believe in the Woo Woo Theory Of Mantra Delivery, I don't see it as fundamentally different than the TM TB's theory of why the puja is so important. Both are based on a belief in the essential Woo Woo nature of the puja, or of it some- how enlivening the mantra, and both are based on things somebody said, and that you seem to have accepted as true. I've received mantra-based teachings adorned with bells and whistles (a puja or something like it) and I've received them with no fanfare whatsoever, the mantra just being delivered (spoken aloud) to a group of people in a room, all at once. I have never perceived the slightest difference. Some may claim to, and that is their right. But I cannot help but laugh at those who cling to the idea that TM is somehow a science, but who then cannot even for a minute conceive of it not being taught without the Magical Woo Woo Ceremony. To me clinging to the puja as magical while denying that they believe in magic is akin to denying that the TMO is fundamentally a religious organization while attending the performance of a yagya. Just doesn't compute.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Magical Puja Placebo
On May 19, 2011, at 8:33 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 18, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: Perhaps a useful question is this: just how deep does the purity of the teaching have to be to ensure that a meditator has a correct experience of TM, or some other technique. From what teachers told me, there seem to be two elements. A mantra, and the correct way to use it, which is the right start of meditation, and then everything mostly takes care of itself. The simple answer is it needs to be an intact line with an appropriate delivery method. We now know two things: 1. Maharishi was NOT authorized by Swami Brahmananda to teach nor was he trained in how to do so. While, from what I hear, this is true, that doesn't matter to me. The *whole TM technique* was made up. So was the puja. Big whoop. From the POV of Hindu metaphysics, it's of paramount important. It all boils down to their view of causality. Causes create effects. You cannot separate effects from those causes. As you sow, so shall you reap. It could really be seen as like a scientific experiment: if one of the steps of the experiment is tainted, the entire experiment is tainted. The big difference is, physical experiments work on a physical level, while mental experiments work on a mental level. But either way, a tainted experiment is a tainted by a tainted procedure. 2. Puja diksha is an authentic method for mantra initiation, but it requires a) an authentic teacher, which Mahesh was not, and b) an authentic means. The puja Maharishi created is a hodge podge of different goods, tacked onto one another. The important thing here is that we now know that the puja is largely derived from a student of Swami Brahmananda who was a poet and scholar. When Brahmananda was told of this poem, poem, he explicitly asked Mahesh to destroy it and throw it into the Ganges. Mahesh instead kept it and used it, against the direct wishes of his guru. Again, big whoop. I don't buy *anyone's* definition of authentic, including yours, Vaj. While I under- stand your right to believe in the Woo Woo Theory Of Mantra Delivery, I don't see it as fundamentally different than the TM TB's theory of why the puja is so important. Both are based on a belief in the essential Woo Woo nature of the puja, or of it some- how enlivening the mantra, and both are based on things somebody said, and that you seem to have accepted as true. It doesn't matter if you accept it or not. This is the explanation, in the tradition (read: replicable, repeatable method) it came from. It's just a different type of science not depending on the taboo against subjectivity. If you want a replicable experiment, you repeat the experiment as it actually worked in the past. You don't make something up and hope no one will notice (and then sell it). You might not accept their theory of causality, which contains more levels of causality than Newtonian-style causality, but common sense should tell us: if you want to replicate a result, you repeat it in the manner in which it has produced the same result in the past. You CAN do the experiment differently, or even make up the steps, but you should not expect the SAME result. In fact, you should expect something DIFFERENT. So instead of perfect mental health, you might get something different (psychosis, rather than enlightenment). I've received mantra-based teachings adorned with bells and whistles (a puja or something like it) and I've received them with no fanfare whatsoever, the mantra just being delivered (spoken aloud) to a group of people in a room, all at once. I have never perceived the slightest difference. Some may claim to, and that is their right. But I cannot help but laugh at those who cling to the idea that TM is somehow a science, but who then cannot even for a minute conceive of it not being taught without the Magical Woo Woo Ceremony. To me clinging to the puja as magical while denying that they believe in magic is akin to denying that the TMO is fundamentally a religious organization while attending the performance of a yagya. Just doesn't compute. It does not compute in the waking state. It does compute in a causality based on different levels of causality from what is readily apparent in the waking state.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Magical Puja Placebo
--- On Thu, 5/19/11, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Magical Puja Placebo To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 8:33 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 18, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: Perhaps a useful question is this: just how deep does the purity of the teaching have to be to ensure that a meditator has a correct experience of TM, or some other technique. From what teachers told me, there seem to be two elements. A mantra, and the correct way to use it, which is the right start of meditation, and then everything mostly takes care of itself. The simple answer is it needs to be an intact line with an appropriate delivery method. We now know two things: 1. Maharishi was NOT authorized by Swami Brahmananda to teach nor was he trained in how to do so. While, from what I hear, this is true, that doesn't matter to me. The *whole TM technique* was made up. So was the puja. Big whoop. 2. Puja diksha is an authentic method for mantra initiation, but it requires a) an authentic teacher, which Mahesh was not, and b) an authentic means. The puja Maharishi created is a hodge podge of different goods, tacked onto one another. The important thing here is that we now know that the puja is largely derived from a student of Swami Brahmananda who was a poet and scholar. When Brahmananda was told of this poem, poem, he explicitly asked Mahesh to destroy it and throw it into the Ganges. Mahesh instead kept it and used it, against the direct wishes of his guru. Again, big whoop. I don't buy *anyone's* definition of authentic, including yours, Vaj. While I under- stand your right to believe in the Woo Woo Theory Of Mantra Delivery, I don't see it as fundamentally different than the TM TB's theory of why the puja is so important. Both are based on a belief in the essential Woo Woo nature of the puja, or of it some- how enlivening the mantra, and both are based on things somebody said, and that you seem to have accepted as true. I've received mantra-based teachings adorned with bells and whistles (a puja or something like it) and I've received them with no fanfare whatsoever, the mantra just being delivered (spoken aloud) to a group of people in a room, all at once. I have never perceived the slightest difference. Some may claim to, and that is their right. But I cannot help but laugh at those who cling to the idea that TM is somehow a science, but who then cannot even for a minute conceive of it not being taught without the Magical Woo Woo Ceremony. To me clinging to the puja as magical while denying that they believe in magic is akin to denying that the TMO is fundamentally a religious organization while attending the performance of a yagya. Just doesn't compute. Is a puja necessary to learn TM correctly? I don't know. When I taught TM I always performed a puja because that's what I was taught. It was fun. Is the puja scientific? Of course not. To claim it is scientific shows quite a bit of ignorance regarding the basic definition of science. But that being said, I wouldn't dismiss the TM puja because of the powerful experience it can trigger. That effect is very real. Because the effect is real, perhaps one day a scientific explanation of it will come to be, but it will be not be with the science of today. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kimi's NASCAR debut!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 2:27 AM, cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: http://www.octetort.com/2011/04/analysing-raikkonens-nascar-move.html NASCAR. What a wonderful sport for FFL. Years and years of going around in circles, wasting gas, polluting the air. So, pussy-rallye (that's what it's called hearabouts: pillu-ralli) is OK, but not NASCAR?? :O
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Magical Puja Placebo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@... wrote: These ex-TM people who spent a decade or less in the TMO and then spend the rest of their lives coming to terms with their cult indoctrination make me scratch my head. Coming to terms with it is exactly what they're *not* doing. There's something distinctly wrong with people who spend huge amounts of time for many years longer than they spent in the TMO compulsively complaining about their experience and doing their best to interfere with other folks' enjoyment of the practices. But I don't think it really has much of anything to do with TM. That kind of behavior is a personality trait; they get some kind of twisted satisfaction from complaining and going to great lengths to be unpleasant. Their situation vis-a-vis TM simply gives them an opportunity, an excuse, to indulge in those behaviors. If they came to terms with it, they'd have to find some other justification for being obnoxious. This one works just fine for them, so why bother?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Magical Puja Placebo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip You're not a TRUE cultist until you've spent at least three decades in the cult. What does it mean when you pronounce everyone else is a cultist while missing that you might have issues, yourself... What does it mean when current cultists feel the need to portray former cultists who are honest enough with themselves to realized they were a part of a cult and who still have some lingering curiosity about those who have never reached that point as having something *wrong* with them? People who describe themselves as above but whose actual behavior doesn't even come close to matching their description *obviously* have something wrong with them. I mean, there is a concerted attempt on this forum to portray anyone who still finds the machinations of current-day cultists fascinating from a curiosity standpoint as having something *wrong* with us. It has nothing to do with your curiosity, about TM or cultism or anything else. It's your psychological sadism, fueled by a desperate need to feel superior to others, and marked by an extraordinary lack of self- knowledge. That TM is just a convenient context for your sick behavior is made crystal clear by the fact that your sadism isn't limited to TM-related issues. snip As I suggested before, it's sorta like going to a high school reunion and running into people for whom high school was the high point of their lives. Chances are Barry's never been to a high school reunion because he so alienated his classmates at the time, he'd be treated like a leper. *He* never fit in, and that's where he learned he could make himself feel better by putting others down. snip But I'm still fascinated by those for whom the attachment factor (and the seemingly corollary need to praise the similarly-attached and demonize those who got over it) One more time: The champion demonizer on this forum is Barry himself. And he gets criticized not because he's a TM critic but because he's such a despicable human being--the proof being that most of the folks here who got over it are *not* criticized. snip All I do is point out some of the silliness of the TM movement, past and present. There is more than enough of this silliness so that I never lack for material. Even if he has to scrape the bottom of the barrel for material that's so distantly related to TM that he makes himself look far sillier than anything TMO-ish.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Magical Puja Placebo
Sorry Vaj, complete BS. The Universe does not require some authentic transmission and lineage for self realization, or teaching. That imo is a Buddhist Ego Trip. That is why US Buddhists are so ineffective, always fussing with their made up credentials instead of making spiritual progress. To even try and pass judgment on Maharishi from a deluded fool such as yourself is laughable. You oughta continue with all of your buddhist tom-foolery. It keeps your head full of useless information and prevents you making any progress. Enjoy! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 18, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: Perhaps a useful question is this: just how deep does the purity of the teaching have to be to ensure that a meditator has a correct experience of TM, or some other technique. From what teachers told me, there seem to be two elements. A mantra, and the correct way to use it, which is the right start of meditation, and then everything mostly takes care of itself. The simple answer is it needs to be an intact line with an appropriate delivery method. We now know two things: 1. Maharishi was NOT authorized by Swami Brahmananda to teach nor was he trained in how to do so. 2. Puja diksha is an authentic method for mantra initiation, but it requires a) an authentic teacher, which Mahesh was not, and b) an authentic means. The puja Maharishi created is a hodge podge of different goods, tacked onto one another. The important thing here is that we now know that the puja is largely derived from a student of Swami Brahmananda who was a poet and scholar. When Brahmananda was told of this poem, poem, he explicitly asked Mahesh to destroy it and throw it into the Ganges. Mahesh instead kept it and used it, against the direct wishes of his guru. So therefore we have an untrained and unauthorized student with no line of transmission using a made up, but very clever device to fool the unwary and to promote his own cause(s). The further fact that Mahesh's teaching is in direct opposition to SBS's closes this case. Verdict: phony guru with phony initiation ceremony, against the direct wishes of his guru...and millions of fooled customers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Magical Puja Placebo
It has nothing to do with your curiosity, about TM or cultism or anything else. It's your psychological sadism, fueled by a desperate need to feel superior to others, and marked by an extraordinary lack of self-knowledge. That TM is just a convenient context for your sick behavior is made crystal clear by the fact that your sadism isn't limited to TM-related issues. Right on. Barry draws criticism to himself precisely because he is a jerk and does enjoy hurting others to feel superior to them. This could be a bird watching forum and he'd do the same thing. He once boasted that he was in touch with his inner asshole. Despite the disturbing imagery that evokes, I agree completely, although instead of being just in touch, he appears to be deeply in love with that part of himself. And once again, our FFL Psychic has determined that there are those on this forum who criticize him, without ever reading their posts. He must be paranoid, psychic, or a hypocrite. I'll go with hypocrite. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip You're not a TRUE cultist until you've spent at least three decades in the cult. What does it mean when you pronounce everyone else is a cultist while missing that you might have issues, yourself... What does it mean when current cultists feel the need to portray former cultists who are honest enough with themselves to realized they were a part of a cult and who still have some lingering curiosity about those who have never reached that point as having something *wrong* with them? People who describe themselves as above but whose actual behavior doesn't even come close to matching their description *obviously* have something wrong with them. I mean, there is a concerted attempt on this forum to portray anyone who still finds the machinations of current-day cultists fascinating from a curiosity standpoint as having something *wrong* with us. It has nothing to do with your curiosity, about TM or cultism or anything else. It's your psychological sadism, fueled by a desperate need to feel superior to others, and marked by an extraordinary lack of self- knowledge. That TM is just a convenient context for your sick behavior is made crystal clear by the fact that your sadism isn't limited to TM-related issues. snip As I suggested before, it's sorta like going to a high school reunion and running into people for whom high school was the high point of their lives. Chances are Barry's never been to a high school reunion because he so alienated his classmates at the time, he'd be treated like a leper. *He* never fit in, and that's where he learned he could make himself feel better by putting others down. snip But I'm still fascinated by those for whom the attachment factor (and the seemingly corollary need to praise the similarly-attached and demonize those who got over it) One more time: The champion demonizer on this forum is Barry himself. And he gets criticized not because he's a TM critic but because he's such a despicable human being--the proof being that most of the folks here who got over it are *not* criticized. snip All I do is point out some of the silliness of the TM movement, past and present. There is more than enough of this silliness so that I never lack for material. Even if he has to scrape the bottom of the barrel for material that's so distantly related to TM that he makes himself look far sillier than anything TMO-ish.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Magical Puja Placebo
Perhaps a useful question is this: just how deep does the purity of the teaching have to be to ensure that a meditator has a correct experience of TM, or some other technique... Vaj: The simple answer is it needs to be an intact line with an appropriate delivery method. We now know two things: 1. Maharishi was NOT authorized by Swami Brahmananda to teach nor was he trained in how to do so. No less than SBS successor, Swami Shantanand gave full support to Mahesh Yogi's program. Shantanand was instrumental in establishing the first TM program at Rishikesh. But, you don't need to be authorized by Swami Brahmanada in order to teach TM because basic yoga meditation has been in the Indian public domain since before the time of the historical Buddha in the sixth century BCE. From what I've read, SBS often had Mahesh Yogi stand in for him at lectures and large meetings and with anyone interested in learning how to meditate. And, it seems like Mahesh was very well trained, having spent over thirteen years in training. Are you saying MMY didn't know how to organize a yoga camp meeting? Go figure. But, nobody knows exactly what SBS told Mahesh to do. For all you know, SBS could have told Mahesh to go forth and teach TM, just like SBS had taught Mahesh. It's hard to imagine SBS telling anyone NOT to go out and spread the word. Apparently Mahesh had quite a following in Kerala when the Silver Jubilee was held and nobody seemed to be really objecting to Mahesh teaching meditation in the name of SBS at that time.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Magical Puja Placebo
I think Barry and Vaj both have the mindset that if they are going to be miserable, which they are, one, it can't be due to anything they are doing or not doing, and two, if they are going to lead miserable lives, they will ensure everyone else around them will too. This idea that they are somehow opening the eyes of those who continue to practice TM is so laughable it is truly crazy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: These ex-TM people who spent a decade or less in the TMO and then spend the rest of their lives coming to terms with their cult indoctrination make me scratch my head. Coming to terms with it is exactly what they're *not* doing. There's something distinctly wrong with people who spend huge amounts of time for many years longer than they spent in the TMO compulsively complaining about their experience and doing their best to interfere with other folks' enjoyment of the practices. But I don't think it really has much of anything to do with TM. That kind of behavior is a personality trait; they get some kind of twisted satisfaction from complaining and going to great lengths to be unpleasant. Their situation vis-a-vis TM simply gives them an opportunity, an excuse, to indulge in those behaviors. If they came to terms with it, they'd have to find some other justification for being obnoxious. This one works just fine for them, so why bother?
[FairfieldLife] Olbermann's back, and as feisty as ever
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/19/keith-olbermann-on-letterman_n_864032.html Like, obviously, Keith Olbermann, I just can't *wait* for MSNBC to try to sue him for still using the name Countdown.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Magical Puja Placebo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: I was not implying there are only two sides to this issue, --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ replied: No, I meant two as in more than one, not as in fewer than three (or more)! IOW, sometimes there is only one valid side (the earth revolves around the sun), and there's no need to give the other side (the sun revolves around the earth) equal time in the name of balance. That just creates confusion. Stephen Hawking recently was writing about effective theories. One of his examples was the Earth-Sun relationship. The Sun going around the Earth is an effective theory. It has a certain resolution. For example it explains the way the sun looks when it rises and sets, but does rather poorly in explaining how the planets similarly move through the sky. So the theory has a certain usefulness. Not useful for astronomy any more, or space travel. The theory that the Earth goes around the Sun is also an effective theory. According to Newtonian Mechanics, it is actually wrong, the Earth and Sun revolve around a common centre of mass, which is somewhere inside the surface of the sun. So the statement Earth revolves around the Sun is also wrong at a certain level of resolution. And there are other gravitation forces, other stars that gravitationally interact with the Sun and Earth, so the motion is even more complicated, but it is usually not necessary to take these into account unless trying to calculate positions of stars hundreds of thousands of years in the past or future. I suppose I could argue with you that the Earth goes around the Sun is obviously wrong, but in this discussion that not the point you were attempting to get across. head spinning Right, certainly interesting, but not my point. How about GOP Says Earth Is Flat; Democrats Disagree? Any better? You could say a flat earth is an effective theory too, I guess, so maybe not. I actually sometimes, when watching a sunrise imagine that I am on a sphere, and the rotation of the Earth is bringing me into view of the sun, and at the same time there is also a horizontal motion of the Earth relative to the sun that is its revolution around the sun. But most of the time, it is just, oh, the Sun is coming up, and that has even less resolution than the Sun going around the Earth hypothesis because I do not even think of that. The perceptual environment in which we make our way through life and the *real* environment in which we are situated are amazingly different. I sometimes try, without much success, to see the sun as a gigantic ball of unimaginably hot gases 93 million miles away rather than as a smallish but very bright spotlight moving across a domed ceiling. And just this very minute, it occurred to me that I don't perceive daylight as a function of the sun's illumination, but almost the reverse: the sun appears when it's daylight. No kidding, I never realized this was my habitual perception before! Boy, that sun is way brighter than I thought. I do agree with you that an argument can be pointless, but we do have to be on guard to argue cognizant of the level of understanding of our opponent, and it may be with certain ones, such argument will be eternally fruitless. True. Or they may have a different conceptual framework, or even just one from which pieces are missing. I think of a very bright friend of mine years ago when she started a new job that required her to learn to use a computer. She called me a few days later deeply perplexed. She'd been told to put a report she'd been working on on a floppy disk to give to someone else to look at while she finished up the details. How am I supposed to keep working on it, she wanted to know, when I've given it to Joe? I think Einstein's view of the revolution of the Sun and Earth is probably beyond my ability to visualize, as it takes in not just ideas like centre of mass, but time dilation resulting from warped space and the equivalence of mass and energy. Newton was wrong. The orbit of Mercury around the Sun fits Einstein's theory instead. No one has yet found a way to dethrone Einstein. When we argue (logically, not an altercation) we have to be discussing the same level of resolution of the situation or we get equivocation, or using the same words but with different meanings, understandings. At least for this topic, we have an ultimate authority. Facts are a good place to start. If I have an orange in my right hand, and nothing in my left hand, what are the facts here? If I have an invisible, incorporeal orange in my right hand, and nothing in my left hand, what are the facts here? Both hands look the same. Which one has the invisible orange? A lot of arguments regarding spirituality reflect these two situations, and why such
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Magical Puja Placebo
Vaj: 2. The puja Maharishi created is a hodge podge of different goods, tacked onto one another... It's the same puja performed by all the Dasanami Sannyasins founded by the Adi Shankaracharya. I heard this puja recited by the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath and at least three others including Swami Rama and Swami Venkatesananda. Apparently you have never been a spectator in an authentic puja performed by a Saraswati Sannyasin, but I have witnessed at least four including one at a Ramakrishna Temple at Belurmath. Almost the same exact words, same bija mantras, just like at the public puja at Sringeri.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Magical Puja Placebo
Dude, haven't you figured out by now that the *you* you think you are is made up too?? LOL, and as you say, Big Whoop. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 18, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: Perhaps a useful question is this: just how deep does the purity of the teaching have to be to ensure that a meditator has a correct experience of TM, or some other technique. From what teachers told me, there seem to be two elements. A mantra, and the correct way to use it, which is the right start of meditation, and then everything mostly takes care of itself. The simple answer is it needs to be an intact line with an appropriate delivery method. We now know two things: 1. Maharishi was NOT authorized by Swami Brahmananda to teach nor was he trained in how to do so. While, from what I hear, this is true, that doesn't matter to me. The *whole TM technique* was made up. So was the puja. Big whoop. 2. Puja diksha is an authentic method for mantra initiation, but it requires a) an authentic teacher, which Mahesh was not, and b) an authentic means. The puja Maharishi created is a hodge podge of different goods, tacked onto one another. The important thing here is that we now know that the puja is largely derived from a student of Swami Brahmananda who was a poet and scholar. When Brahmananda was told of this poem, poem, he explicitly asked Mahesh to destroy it and throw it into the Ganges. Mahesh instead kept it and used it, against the direct wishes of his guru. Again, big whoop. I don't buy *anyone's* definition of authentic, including yours, Vaj. While I under- stand your right to believe in the Woo Woo Theory Of Mantra Delivery, I don't see it as fundamentally different than the TM TB's theory of why the puja is so important. Both are based on a belief in the essential Woo Woo nature of the puja, or of it some- how enlivening the mantra, and both are based on things somebody said, and that you seem to have accepted as true. I've received mantra-based teachings adorned with bells and whistles (a puja or something like it) and I've received them with no fanfare whatsoever, the mantra just being delivered (spoken aloud) to a group of people in a room, all at once. I have never perceived the slightest difference. Some may claim to, and that is their right. But I cannot help but laugh at those who cling to the idea that TM is somehow a science, but who then cannot even for a minute conceive of it not being taught without the Magical Woo Woo Ceremony. To me clinging to the puja as magical while denying that they believe in magic is akin to denying that the TMO is fundamentally a religious organization while attending the performance of a yagya. Just doesn't compute.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Magical Puja Placebo
Vaj: You cannot separate effects from those causes... This is of course not a part of Indian metaphysics: neither the Nyaya nor the Sankhya. All effects have causes, but the cause is not always a part of the effect, and sometimes the effect is not a part of the cause. You need to get some smarts, Vaj, and read up on Indian metaphysics. Here is a good place for you to start: 'Foundations of Hindu Philosophy' by Theos Bernard, Ph.D. Author of 'Hatha Yoga', 'Penthouse of the Gods', 'Heaven Lies Within' etc., etc. Philosophical Library, 1947 According to the Kapila, creation is impossible, for something cannot come out of nothing; change implies something to change; whatever is, always is, and whatever is not, never is. Kapila: And from the contrast with that which is composed of the three constituents, there follows, for the Purusha, the character of Being, a witness; freedom from misery, neutrality, percipience, and non-agency (XVII). 'The Samkhyakarika of Isvarakrishna' Trans. and ed. by Suryanarayana Sastri University of Madras, 1935
[FairfieldLife] Re: Olbermann's back, and as feisty as ever
So, you are an Olbermann watcher - thought so. You probably believe everything you see on TV. Go figure. turquoiseb: Like, obviously, Keith Olbermann, I just can't *wait* for MSNBC to try to sue him for still using the name Countdown. As in 'crosshairs', 'target or 'bull's eye', for shooting your political opponents like Bachman, Palin or a Gifford?
[FairfieldLife] Just In Case: 21 Songs For The End Of The World
Not a bad selection: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/18/may-21st-doomsday-songs_n_863869.html#s280638title=Tchaikovsky_1812_Overture My contribution would be this one. No panic, no hysterics, just a bottle of champagne and a cool rooftop from which to watch it all go down with someone you love: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02TUsZzF6es
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just In Case: 21 Songs For The End Of The World
Although, this song might be a better candidate for Best End Of The World Folk Song. Katie Goodman of Broad Comedy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdn3O6aaMNcfeature=player_embedded --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Not a bad selection: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/18/may-21st-doomsday-songs_n_863869.html#s280638title=Tchaikovsky_1812_Overture My contribution would be this one. No panic, no hysterics, just a bottle of champagne and a cool rooftop from which to watch it all go down with someone you love: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02TUsZzF6es
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Friend Seeks Rental, Prefers MSV
On May 19, 2011, at 6:09 AM, Dick Mays wrote: Fwd from sherryle...@gmail.com Hi Friends, I am wanting to move from my present place of residence, and want to know if anyone is aware of, or has, a room or two that I may rent, maybe house sit. My preference is MSV, but would consider something else if best to do. That's big of her~~I mean, how open-minded can you get? June 1st is the desired move, but might consider later if really needed. Yes, the world needs her, and other like-minded people, to save us all from the Mayan prophecies~~just in the nick of time! If you know of anything, I would love to know about it right away. There's a whole town called Vedic City, Sherry~~ with enough weird Hindu pictures and statues and enough white-walled sterility to last you quite a while. Enjoy. Sal Mention my name and I'll arrange a discount on some Amrit. :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Friend Seeks Rental, Prefers MSV
How many people live in Vedic City? And is anybody still moving there? The reason I ask is I get the feeling it was almost a fad to move and live there, which has since waned considerably. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On May 19, 2011, at 6:09 AM, Dick Mays wrote: Fwd from sherrylee33@... Hi Friends, I am wanting to move from my present place of residence, and want to know if anyone is aware of, or has, a room or two that I may rent, maybe house sit. My preference is MSV, but would consider something else if best to do. That's big of her~~I mean, how open-minded can you get? June 1st is the desired move, but might consider later if really needed. Yes, the world needs her, and other like-minded people, to save us all from the Mayan prophecies~~just in the nick of time! If you know of anything, I would love to know about it right away. There's a whole town called Vedic City, Sherry~~ with enough weird Hindu pictures and statues and enough white-walled sterility to last you quite a while. Enjoy. Sal Mention my name and I'll arrange a discount on some Amrit. :)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Friend Seeks Rental, Prefers MSV
That's putting it mildly, Jim. I think I heard there's about 250 there. Several people went bankrupt building expensive homes they couldn't pay for. Last time I checked the Assessor's page~~ which I do regularly to keep up on my snooping :)~~I think I counted over a dozen homes which had been in foreclosure at some point...quite an achievement for so small a town. As they say, everyone has to be good at something. I'm not exactly in the loop, but I haven't heard of anyone building or even moving there in quite a while. Sal On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 AM, whynotnow7 wrote: How many people live in Vedic City? And is anybody still moving there? The reason I ask is I get the feeling it was almost a fad to move and live there, which has since waned considerably. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On May 19, 2011, at 6:09 AM, Dick Mays wrote: Fwd from sherrylee33@... Hi Friends, I am wanting to move from my present place of residence, and want to know if anyone is aware of, or has, a room or two that I may rent, maybe house sit. My preference is MSV, but would consider something else if best to do. That's big of her~~I mean, how open-minded can you get? June 1st is the desired move, but might consider later if really needed. Yes, the world needs her, and other like-minded people, to save us all from the Mayan prophecies~~just in the nick of time! If you know of anything, I would love to know about it right away. There's a whole town called Vedic City, Sherry~~ with enough weird Hindu pictures and statues and enough white-walled sterility to last you quite a while. Enjoy. Sal Mention my name and I'll arrange a discount on some Amrit. :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Olbermann's back, and as feisty as ever
Olbermann is so full of himself. Talk about self-importance! From the HuffPo piece: At some point...it's occurred to me that the best place for me to start doing the news...would be at a place that's just in the news business and nothing else, he said. Just a company that's just news and we could kind of make every decision relying on that...and that had been at the back of my mind for a while. Uh-huh. I guess he hasn't looked at the CurrentTV schedule lately: http://current.com/schedule/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/19/keith-olbermann-on-letterman_n_864032.html Like, obviously, Keith Olbermann, I just can't *wait* for MSNBC to try to sue him for still using the name Countdown. If MSNBC is going to sue him, it'll sue him, not try to sue him. But since Comcast, its new parent, owns 10 percent of CurrentTV, chances are it'll leave him be. And chances are Olbermann knows that. If he doesn't, he'll likely wait in vain, as will Barry. But I suspect Olbermann is a *lot* better informed and less prone to fantasy confrontation than Barry is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Magical Puja Placebo
What does it mean when you pronounce everyone else is a cultist while missing that you might have issues, yourself... turquoiseb: What does it mean when current cultists feel the need to portray former cultists who are honest enough with themselves to realized they were a part of a cult and who still have some lingering curiosity about those who have never reached that point as having something *wrong* with them? I mean, there is a concerted attempt on this forum to portray anyone who still finds the machinations of current-day cultists fascinating from a curiosity standpoint as having something *wrong* with us. Our curiosity doesn't mean that we're still attached to the cult or its leader or its dogma the way the current-day cultists are, merely that we find those who still feel that way curious. As I suggested before, it's sorta like going to a high school reunion and running into people for whom high school was the high point of their lives. You've got yer popular kids (those who became TM teachers and worked for the TMO) who were members of all the right clubs and were voted Most likely to... and who still identify so strongly with that image of themselves that they attempt to pretend that they are still those same people, and not the owner of a car wash in Peoria. Then you've got yer folks who never fit it even back in high school (the ones who never became TM teachers, never did a lick of work for the TMO, but feel that they deserve being treated as if they did). They were members of the Debate Club, or the National Honor Society or some other group of dweebs, and none of the popular kids ever wanted to have anything to do with them. On some level they're *still* trying to get the popular kids to accept them as their equals, which is never going to happen. Even sadder, at every high school reunion there is someone like Ravi, who never even *went* to that high school, but is so desperate for attention that he attends its reunions anyway. It's all so Romy And Michele's High School Reunion. I'm just curious, that's all. High school (the TM movement) was not that big a part of my life, and certainly not on any level that fueled attachment. But I'm still fascinated by those for whom the attachment factor (and the seemingly corollary need to praise the similarly-attached and demonize those who got over it) is as present for them now as it was back in the heyday of TM's fleeting popularity. All I do is point out some of the silliness of the TM movement, past and present. There is more than enough of this silliness so that I never lack for material. It's not the silliness *itself* that fascinates me, but the *reactions* to it by those who've seemingly never realized how much allegiance and attachment they have for the silliness, and how much anger they have towards people who do nothing but point out that it's ...uh...silly. The guilty always scream the loudest?
[FairfieldLife] Honey Badger Don't Care
I can't believe nobody's posted this yet: http://youtu.be/4r7wHMg5Yjg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Friend Seeks Rental, Prefers MSV
What does anyone do for a living there anyway? Sell each other insurance? Or do they go out and plow the back 40 every day? On 05/19/2011 09:47 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote: That's putting it mildly, Jim. I think I heard there's about 250 there. Several people went bankrupt building expensive homes they couldn't pay for. Last time I checked the Assessor's page~~ which I do regularly to keep up on my snooping :)~~I think I counted over a dozen homes which had been in foreclosure at some point...quite an achievement for so small a town. As they say, everyone has to be good at something. I'm not exactly in the loop, but I haven't heard of anyone building or even moving there in quite a while. Sal On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 AM, whynotnow7 wrote: How many people live in Vedic City? And is anybody still moving there? The reason I ask is I get the feeling it was almost a fad to move and live there, which has since waned considerably. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshinesalsunshine@... wrote: On May 19, 2011, at 6:09 AM, Dick Mays wrote: Fwd from sherrylee33@... Hi Friends, I am wanting to move from my present place of residence, and want to know if anyone is aware of, or has, a room or two that I may rent, maybe house sit. My preference is MSV, but would consider something else if best to do. That's big of her~~I mean, how open-minded can you get? June 1st is the desired move, but might consider later if really needed. Yes, the world needs her, and other like-minded people, to save us all from the Mayan prophecies~~just in the nick of time! If you know of anything, I would love to know about it right away. There's a whole town called Vedic City, Sherry~~ with enough weird Hindu pictures and statues and enough white-walled sterility to last you quite a while. Enjoy. Sal Mention my name and I'll arrange a discount on some Amrit. :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Honey Badger Don't Care
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: I can't believe nobody's posted this yet: http://youtu.be/4r7wHMg5Yjg Badgers may be mean, but pandas are real dicks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_nAAwlD3bk
RE: [FairfieldLife] Honey Badger Don't Care
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 1:12 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Honey Badger Don't Care I can't believe nobody's posted this yet: http://youtu.be/4r7wHMg5Yjg I don't know if it showed this in the video, because I didn't watch the whole thing, honey badgers get honey by farting in the bee hive, which drives out the bees. Then they take the honey.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM 's Mission Statement redux
Om, which (?) version is more read-able: Version I: Maharishi University of Management was founded in 1971 by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to produce more fully developed individuals, by developing the potential of consciousnesswithin every student through a higher educational system of Consciousness-Based education giving traditional academic knowledge a foundation coupled with the study of consciousness through Transcendental Meditation and other scientifically validated practices taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi for developing consciousness. Or, Version II: Maharishi University of Management was founded in 1971 by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to fulfill the highest ideals of education. Foremost among these ideals is developing the full potential of consciousness in every student to help students develop the ability to think and act in accord with the laws of nature and to live fulfilled and successful lives. This fulfills the long-sought goal of education: to produce fully developed individuals, citizens who can fulfill their own aspirations while promoting all good in society. We have pioneered a unique system of higher education, Consciousness-Based education http://www.mum.edu/cbe.html , that systematically cultures students' full creative intelligence, the basis of learning. Consciousness-Based education gives traditional academic study the foundation of complete knowledge of consciousness coupled with simple, natural, scientifically validated technologies for developing consciousness. These technologies are the Transcendental Meditation http://www.mum.edu/tm.html and TM-Sidhi programs, including Yogic Flying. This integrated approach develops students' ability to manage their lives successfully, to grow steadily in health, happiness, and wisdom, and to achieve professional success and personal fulfillment. Our unique educational programs fulfill a commitment to four broad areas of responsibility: * Holistic development of students cultivation of consciousness, mind, body, and behavior * Academic excellence training at the forefront of knowledge in each discipline and in the ability to think critically and act effectively and ethically * Scholarship that expands the domains of knowledge, expressed in all four areas of scholarship discovery, teaching and learning, integration, and application. * Improved quality of life for the individual, the community, the nation, and the world. or, Guess which version is on the MUM.edu web page? Version III: Maharishi University of Management was founded in 1971 by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to produce fully developed individuals, citizens who can fulfill their own aspirations while promoting all good in society by developing the full potential of consciousness in every student through a higher educational system of Consciousness-Based education giving traditional academic knowledge a foundation coupled with the complete study of consciousness in simple, natural, scientifically validated technologies for developing consciousness.
[FairfieldLife] Broad Comedy (was 21 Songs For The End Of The World)
Just in case no one clicked on this, it's really funny, and so is its creator, Katie Goodman. I enjoyed it so much I Googled 'Broad Comedy' and found her website: http://www.broadcomedy.com/ The videos on this site are some of the funniest stuff I've seen in ages. I am SO a fan of Saving My Hymen For Jesus and Soccer Mom Ho and Hummer Driving Man, but MILF just had me on the floor. Funny feminists. Who knew? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Although, this song might be a better candidate for Best End Of The World Folk Song. Katie Goodman of Broad Comedy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdn3O6aaMNcfeature=player_embedded
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Friend Seeks Rental, Prefers MSV
Not really sure, but I think a fair amount are independently wealthy. Sal On May 19, 2011, at 1:43 PM, Bhairitu wrote: What does anyone do for a living there anyway? Sell each other insurance? Or do they go out and plow the back 40 every day? On 05/19/2011 09:47 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote: That's putting it mildly, Jim. I think I heard there's about 250 there. Several people went bankrupt building expensive homes they couldn't pay for. Last time I checked the Assessor's page~~ which I do regularly to keep up on my snooping :)~~I think I counted over a dozen homes which had been in foreclosure at some point...quite an achievement for so small a town. As they say, everyone has to be good at something. I'm not exactly in the loop, but I haven't heard of anyone building or even moving there in quite a while. Sal On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 AM, whynotnow7 wrote: How many people live in Vedic City? And is anybody still moving there? The reason I ask is I get the feeling it was almost a fad to move and live there, which has since waned considerably. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshinesalsunshine@... wrote: On May 19, 2011, at 6:09 AM, Dick Mays wrote: Fwd from sherrylee33@... Hi Friends, I am wanting to move from my present place of residence, and want to know if anyone is aware of, or has, a room or two that I may rent, maybe house sit. My preference is MSV, but would consider something else if best to do. That's big of her~~I mean, how open-minded can you get? June 1st is the desired move, but might consider later if really needed. Yes, the world needs her, and other like-minded people, to save us all from the Mayan prophecies~~just in the nick of time! If you know of anything, I would love to know about it right away. There's a whole town called Vedic City, Sherry~~ with enough weird Hindu pictures and statues and enough white-walled sterility to last you quite a while. Enjoy. Sal Mention my name and I'll arrange a discount on some Amrit. :)
[FairfieldLife] Is Microsoft Really about to Buy Nokia for Over $80 Billion??
http://blog.inner-active.com/2011/05/is-microsoft-really-about-to-buy-nokia-for-over-80-billion/ It means Microsoft's Windows Phone 7 and its superior software/UI will now be partnered, possibly exclusively, with the world's best mobile hardware. Yes, say what you want about Symbian, but Nokia knows how to make their phones. It also means that Microsoft will now have its ticket into all those places that know nothing (or close to nothing) about any iPhone or Android phone, and we are talking billions of people. Yes, Nokia reportedly still sells one million handsets a day! I don't understand next to nothing about economics, but I'm afraid if that transaction came true, no amount of yagyas would save my home country from bankruptcy!
[FairfieldLife] Shiva as the Black Hole in the Universe
A guru explains the nature of Shiva in scientific terms. I was looking for the vedic version of the multiverse which would be Vishnu sleeping in the causal ocean. But I got this surprising perspective. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePpFIea6cE8
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM 's Mission Statement redux
I'd say Craig Pearson needs to edit that mission statement. As I learned when a student at Maharishi International University, the mission statement is different from the strategies employed to pursue that mission, and the strategies are different from the tactics followed to implement the strategies. This statement makes the usual mistake that most committees make, which is to fail to differentiate among those elements, and instead pile them all into one clusterfuck of a sentence. Craig knows better. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Om, which (?) version is more read-able: Version I: Maharishi University of Management was founded in 1971 by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to produce more fully developed individuals, by developing the potential of consciousnesswithin every student through a higher educational system of Consciousness-Based education giving traditional academic knowledge a foundation coupled with the study of consciousness through Transcendental Meditation and other scientifically validated practices taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi for developing consciousness. Or, Version II: Maharishi University of Management was founded in 1971 by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to fulfill the highest ideals of education. Foremost among these ideals is developing the full potential of consciousness in every student to help students develop the ability to think and act in accord with the laws of nature and to live fulfilled and successful lives. This fulfills the long-sought goal of education: to produce fully developed individuals, citizens who can fulfill their own aspirations while promoting all good in society. We have pioneered a unique system of higher education, Consciousness-Based education http://www.mum.edu/cbe.html , that systematically cultures students' full creative intelligence, the basis of learning. Consciousness-Based education gives traditional academic study the foundation of complete knowledge of consciousness coupled with simple, natural, scientifically validated technologies for developing consciousness. These technologies are the Transcendental Meditation http://www.mum.edu/tm.html and TM-Sidhi programs, including Yogic Flying. This integrated approach develops students' ability to manage their lives successfully, to grow steadily in health, happiness, and wisdom, and to achieve professional success and personal fulfillment. Our unique educational programs fulfill a commitment to four broad areas of responsibility: * Holistic development of students cultivation of consciousness, mind, body, and behavior * Academic excellence training at the forefront of knowledge in each discipline and in the ability to think critically and act effectively and ethically * Scholarship that expands the domains of knowledge, expressed in all four areas of scholarship discovery, teaching and learning, integration, and application. * Improved quality of life for the individual, the community, the nation, and the world. or, Guess which version is on the MUM.edu web page? Version III: Maharishi University of Management was founded in 1971 by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to produce fully developed individuals, citizens who can fulfill their own aspirations while promoting all good in society by developing the full potential of consciousness in every student through a higher educational system of Consciousness-Based education giving traditional academic knowledge a foundation coupled with the complete study of consciousness in simple, natural, scientifically validated technologies for developing consciousness.
[FairfieldLife] Prana and the Being
SBAL: PRANA AND THE BEING Prana is the expression of the manifesting Being. It is the tendency of the unmanifested to manifest. It can be said to be the impulse of the abstract absolute Being. The Being is the absolute existence of unmanifested nature. Its tendency to vibrate and manifest is referred to as prana. The Being vibrates by virtue of prana and manifests. --- I think that definition is hard to beat, at least from the POV of modern physics! :D (Got that definition from a Finnish [former?] purusha - at least I believe he's one.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM 's Mission Statement redux
I don't know where Doug gets these different versions from but the one that actually appears is not bad at all: About the University Mission Statement of the University Maharishi University of Management was founded in 1971 by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to fulfill the highest ideals of education. Foremost among these ideals is developing the full potential of consciousness in every student to help students develop the ability to think and act in accord with the laws of nature and to live fulfilled and successful lives. This fulfills the long-sought goal of education: to produce fully developed individuals, citizens who can fulfill their own aspirations while promoting all good in society. We have pioneered a unique system of higher education, Consciousness-Based education, that systematically cultures students' full creative intelligence, the basis of learning. Consciousness-Based education gives traditional academic study the foundation of complete knowledge of consciousness coupled with simple, natural, scientifically validated technologies for developing consciousness. These technologies are the Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi programs, including Yogic Flying. This integrated approach develops students' ability to manage their lives successfully, to grow steadily in health, happiness, and wisdom, and to achieve professional success and personal fulfillment. Our unique educational programs fulfill a commitment to four broad areas of responsibility: Holistic development of students cultivation of consciousness, mind, body, and behavior Academic excellence training at the forefront of knowledge in each discipline and in the ability to think critically and act effectively and ethically Scholarship that expands the domains of knowledge, expressed in all four areas of scholarship discovery, teaching and learning, integration, and application. Improved quality of life for the individual, the community, the nation, and the world. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgillam@... wrote: I'd say Craig Pearson needs to edit that mission statement. As I learned when a student at Maharishi International University, the mission statement is different from the strategies employed to pursue that mission, and the strategies are different from the tactics followed to implement the strategies. This statement makes the usual mistake that most committees make, which is to fail to differentiate among those elements, and instead pile them all into one clusterfuck of a sentence. Craig knows better. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Om, which (?) version is more read-able: Version I: Maharishi University of Management was founded in 1971 by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to produce more fully developed individuals, by developing the potential of consciousnesswithin every student through a higher educational system of Consciousness-Based education giving traditional academic knowledge a foundation coupled with the study of consciousness through Transcendental Meditation and other scientifically validated practices taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi for developing consciousness. Or, Version II: Maharishi University of Management was founded in 1971 by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to fulfill the highest ideals of education. Foremost among these ideals is developing the full potential of consciousness in every student to help students develop the ability to think and act in accord with the laws of nature and to live fulfilled and successful lives. This fulfills the long-sought goal of education: to produce fully developed individuals, citizens who can fulfill their own aspirations while promoting all good in society. We have pioneered a unique system of higher education, Consciousness-Based education http://www.mum.edu/cbe.html , that systematically cultures students' full creative intelligence, the basis of learning. Consciousness-Based education gives traditional academic study the foundation of complete knowledge of consciousness coupled with simple, natural, scientifically validated technologies for developing consciousness. These technologies are the Transcendental Meditation http://www.mum.edu/tm.html and TM-Sidhi programs, including Yogic Flying. This integrated approach develops students' ability to manage their lives successfully, to grow steadily in health, happiness, and wisdom, and to achieve professional success and personal fulfillment. Our unique educational programs fulfill a commitment to four broad areas of responsibility: * Holistic development of students cultivation of consciousness, mind, body, and behavior * Academic excellence training at the forefront of knowledge in each discipline and in
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Magical Puja Placebo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Sorry Vaj, complete BS. The Universe does not require some authentic transmission and lineage for self realization, or teaching. That imo is a Buddhist Ego Trip. That is why US Buddhists are so ineffective, always fussing with their made up credentials instead of making spiritual progress. To even try and pass judgment on Maharishi from a deluded fool such as yourself is laughable. You oughta continue with all of your buddhist tom-foolery. It keeps your head full of useless information and prevents you making any progress. Enjoy! It has nothing to do with your curiosity, about TM or cultism or anything else. It's your psychological sadism, fueled by a desperate need to feel superior to others, and marked by an extraordinary lack of self-knowledge. That TM is just a convenient context for your sick behavior is made crystal clear by the fact that your sadism isn't limited to TM-related issues. Right on. Barry draws criticism to himself precisely because he is a jerk and does enjoy hurting others to feel superior to them. This could be a bird watching forum and he'd do the same thing. He once boasted that he was in touch with his inner asshole. Despite the disturbing imagery that evokes, I agree completely, although instead of being just in touch, he appears to be deeply in love with that part of himself. And once again, our FFL Psychic has determined that there are those on this forum who criticize him, without ever reading their posts. He must be paranoid, psychic, or a hypocrite. I'll go with hypocrite. Or psychotic ? I think Barry and Vaj both have the mindset that if they are going to be miserable, which they are, one, it can't be due to anything they are doing or not doing, and two, if they are going to lead miserable lives, they will ensure everyone else around them will too. This idea that they are somehow opening the eyes of those who continue to practice TM is so laughable it is truly crazy. Very well written Jim, thanks for posting this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Friend Seeks Rental, Prefers MSV
I am not surprised. Honestly it just doesn't sound like any fun at all. And it snows! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: That's putting it mildly, Jim. I think I heard there's about 250 there. Several people went bankrupt building expensive homes they couldn't pay for. Last time I checked the Assessor's page~~ which I do regularly to keep up on my snooping :)~~I think I counted over a dozen homes which had been in foreclosure at some point...quite an achievement for so small a town. As they say, everyone has to be good at something. I'm not exactly in the loop, but I haven't heard of anyone building or even moving there in quite a while. Sal On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 AM, whynotnow7 wrote: How many people live in Vedic City? And is anybody still moving there? The reason I ask is I get the feeling it was almost a fad to move and live there, which has since waned considerably. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 19, 2011, at 6:09 AM, Dick Mays wrote: Fwd from sherrylee33@ Hi Friends, I am wanting to move from my present place of residence, and want to know if anyone is aware of, or has, a room or two that I may rent, maybe house sit. My preference is MSV, but would consider something else if best to do. That's big of her~~I mean, how open-minded can you get? June 1st is the desired move, but might consider later if really needed. Yes, the world needs her, and other like-minded people, to save us all from the Mayan prophecies~~just in the nick of time! If you know of anything, I would love to know about it right away. There's a whole town called Vedic City, Sherry~~ with enough weird Hindu pictures and statues and enough white-walled sterility to last you quite a while. Enjoy. Sal Mention my name and I'll arrange a discount on some Amrit. :)
[FairfieldLife] To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo
Hello Vaj- I could not help but respond to your post #277247. Why do you continually feel the need to act like an expert about things you know nothing about. You say we now know two things. We do not know anything. We do not know that Guru dev never authorized MMY to teach. We do not know that MMY kept the poem that the pundit wrote about Guru Dev, even though he was told to throw it away. Where do you get your facts from? You make up these things to fit your point of view. Nowhere in the story that MMY told about that poem (which is the only source from which we even know this poem existed) did he say he kept it, even though Guru Dev told him to throw it in the Ganges. And it is clear that you know nothing about MMY because the one thing you can bet your life on is that if Guru Dev told MMMY to do something, it would be done. You make assumptions based on nothing. Another great lie that you have continued to propigate in past posts is that MMY poisoned Guru Dev. There has never been any evidence that this is true. But yet you continue to quote it as if it is scripture. I am not saying that the poisoning or anything else you mention is not possible, it just that we don't know it I am simply saying there has never been any evidence of this. If there is, please enlighten me as to your sources. Also you continually have mentioned in the past that MMY wanted to get Guru Dev of the seat of Shankaracharya by poisoning him, but for what purpose? MMY could not have been given the seat himself and could gain nothing about having one of his pals put in Guru Dev's place. There's basicly no money or power of any significance in being the Shankaracharya. Have you been to Jyotir Math or Guru Dev's residence in Allahabad? I have and they are nothing much to speak of. Good vibes for sure, but far from opulent. So oh wise and mighty Vaj, since you are always making the point about MMY getting rid of Guru Dev, tell me what would have been the point? And by the way genius, the TM puja is traditional. You hear it in temples, at by other swamis. MMMY did say that he pieced it together. But it did not come from some student of Guru Dev as you say. You are only showing your ignorance. So again I ask, what is this need you have to continue to post as if you are an expert in something that you are not? Of course, I don't expect to get a response to this by Vaj folks. He never responds to something when he is proven to be a fake.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Magical Puja Placebo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: So therefore we have an untrained and unauthorized student with no line of transmission using a made up, but very clever device to fool the unwary and to promote his own cause(s). Is that all? The further fact that Mahesh's teaching is in direct opposition to SBS's closes this case. Whew! You had me worried there Vaj. I thought to myself, this guy is getting soft. Verdict: phony guru with phony initiation ceremony, against the direct wishes of his guru...and millions of fooled customers. Ah! the coup de gras. Administered by Vaj for maybe the thousandth time. Pulse rate back down to 65. Blood pressure back to 120 over 80. Alls well. Until the next episode of whack a mole when someone dares to wax positive about their TM experience. Then comes Vaj rushing in, finding the culprit with his whack a moler. Ill find you, you cunning mole. And I'll whack you down. You and all you mole friends. And I'll keep whacking you until every last one of you is defeated. I am Vaj, son of Sri Vaj and descended from Adi Vaj many centuries ago. Look here, I've got the papers to prove it. Today's sermon: The Puja. ITS NOT CERTIFIED. ITS NOT KOSHER. It's a poem that was supposed to be crumbled up and thrown into the Ganges.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardnelson108 richardnelson108@... wrote: snip You say we now know two things. We do not know anything. Typical Vaj, to preface one of the innumerable rumors he's gathered so eagerly, or just something he's made up, with We know that... It's a standard technique of malicious propagandists when they think at least some members of their audience may not be aware of what we actually know and what we don't.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Friend Seeks Rental, Prefers MSV
Not to mention that you can go there almost any day at all, even on weekends, and not see one person outside. I have no idea where they hang out or what gives as far as that goes. And, since it's still a new development, there's very few trees there as well. I'm not even sure families with kids are allowed No, definitely not a whole lot of fun. Sal On May 19, 2011, at 5:29 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: I am not surprised. Honestly it just doesn't sound like any fun at all. And it snows! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: That's putting it mildly, Jim. I think I heard there's about 250 there. Several people went bankrupt building expensive homes they couldn't pay for. Last time I checked the Assessor's page~~ which I do regularly to keep up on my snooping :)~~I think I counted over a dozen homes which had been in foreclosure at some point...quite an achievement for so small a town. As they say, everyone has to be good at something. I'm not exactly in the loop, but I haven't heard of anyone building or even moving there in quite a while. Sal On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 AM, whynotnow7 wrote: How many people live in Vedic City? And is anybody still moving there? The reason I ask is I get the feeling it was almost a fad to move and live there, which has since waned considerably. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 19, 2011, at 6:09 AM, Dick Mays wrote: Fwd from sherrylee33@ Hi Friends, I am wanting to move from my present place of residence, and want to know if anyone is aware of, or has, a room or two that I may rent, maybe house sit. My preference is MSV, but would consider something else if best to do. That's big of her~~I mean, how open-minded can you get? June 1st is the desired move, but might consider later if really needed. Yes, the world needs her, and other like-minded people, to save us all from the Mayan prophecies~~just in the nick of time! If you know of anything, I would love to know about it right away. There's a whole town called Vedic City, Sherry~~ with enough weird Hindu pictures and statues and enough white-walled sterility to last you quite a while. Enjoy. Sal Mention my name and I'll arrange a discount on some Amrit. :)
Re: [FairfieldLife] To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo
On May 19, 2011, at 6:38 PM, richardnelson108 wrote: Hello Vaj- I could not help but respond to your post #277247. Why do you continually feel the need to act like an expert about things you know nothing about. You say we now know two things. We do not know anything. We do not know that Guru dev never authorized MMY to teach. Yes, we do know this. In fact, it would run contrary to the spirit of SBS's beliefs for him to authorize Mahesh to teach. SO this is really no huge surprise. We do not know that MMY kept the poem that the pundit wrote about Guru Dev, even though he was told to throw it away. Where do you get your facts from? The origin of the TM puja has been exhaustively researched and it's sources have been known for several years. You make up these things to fit your point of view. Nowhere in the story that MMY told about that poem (which is the only source from which we even know this poem existed) did he say he kept it, even though Guru Dev told him to throw it in the Ganges. And it is clear that you know nothing about MMY because the one thing you can bet your life on is that if Guru Dev told MMMY to do something, it would be done. You make assumptions based on nothing. Another great lie that you have continued to propigate in past posts is that MMY poisoned Guru Dev. There has never been any evidence that this is true. But yet you continue to quote it as if it is scripture. No, I said he was one of the main SUSPECTS. I don't believe it is possible at this late to know what exactly happened.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 19, 2011, at 6:38 PM, richardnelson108 wrote: Hello Vaj- I could not help but respond to your post #277247. Why do you continually feel the need to act like an expert about things you know nothing about. You say we now know two things. We do not know anything. We do not know that Guru dev never authorized MMY to teach. Yes, we do know this. No, we don't. Vas you dere, Sharlie? In fact, it would run contrary to the spirit of SBS's beliefs for him to authorize Mahesh to teach. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe he decided to make an exception for MMY. You don't know, we don't know. It would be fine to say, I doubt Guru Dev ever authorized MMY to teach because it would have run contrary to what I understand to be the spirit of his beliefs. It's not fine to say, We now know Guru Dev never authorized MMY to teach... etc. when we don't. We do not know that MMY kept the poem that the pundit wrote about Guru Dev, even though he was told to throw it away. Where do you get your facts from? The origin of the TM puja has been exhaustively researched and it's sources have been known for several years. Note the two non sequiturs. Vaj doesn't want to address either point. snip Another great lie that you have continued to propigate in past posts is that MMY poisoned Guru Dev. There has never been any evidence that this is true. But yet you continue to quote it as if it is scripture. No, I said he was one of the main SUSPECTS. Which isn't true either, especially given that there was no evidence that Guru Dev was poisoned in the first place.
Re: [FairfieldLife] To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo
A couple of assumptions I make: 1)Nobody other than MMY and GD know what their relationship was. 2)What GD wanted MMY to do or not to do is only known to them. A couple of things I know: 1)For a murderous, con artist, MMY was certainly a blazing Ball of Brahman. 2)His non-functioning, useless techniques certainly are effective. 3)FFL is a wonderful toilet for people to take much needed shits in. Seriously, where else could you empty your bowels of this fetid crap? Count yourself blessed and truly in the Dharma! --- On Thu, 5/19/11, richardnelson108 richardnelson...@yahoo.com wrote: From: richardnelson108 richardnelson...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 6:38 PM Hello Vaj- I could not help but respond to your post #277247. Why do you continually feel the need to act like an expert about things you know nothing about. You say we now know two things. We do not know anything. We do not know that Guru dev never authorized MMY to teach. We do not know that MMY kept the poem that the pundit wrote about Guru Dev, even though he was told to throw it away. Where do you get your facts from? You make up these things to fit your point of view. Nowhere in the story that MMY told about that poem (which is the only source from which we even know this poem existed) did he say he kept it, even though Guru Dev told him to throw it in the Ganges. And it is clear that you know nothing about MMY because the one thing you can bet your life on is that if Guru Dev told MMMY to do something, it would be done. You make assumptions based on nothing. Another great lie that you have continued to propigate in past posts is that MMY poisoned Guru Dev. There has never been any evidence that this is true. But yet you continue to quote it as if it is scripture. I am not saying that the poisoning or anything else you mention is not possible, it just that we don't know it I am simply saying there has never been any evidence of this. If there is, please enlighten me as to your sources. Also you continually have mentioned in the past that MMY wanted to get Guru Dev of the seat of Shankaracharya by poisoning him, but for what purpose? MMY could not have been given the seat himself and could gain nothing about having one of his pals put in Guru Dev's place. There's basicly no money or power of any significance in being the Shankaracharya. Have you been to Jyotir Math or Guru Dev's residence in Allahabad? I have and they are nothing much to speak of. Good vibes for sure, but far from opulent. So oh wise and mighty Vaj, since you are always making the point about MMY getting rid of Guru Dev, tell me what would have been the point? And by the way genius, the TM puja is traditional. You hear it in temples, at by other swamis. MMMY did say that he pieced it together. But it did not come from some student of Guru Dev as you say. You are only showing your ignorance. So again I ask, what is this need you have to continue to post as if you are an expert in something that you are not? Of course, I don't expect to get a response to this by Vaj folks. He never responds to something when he is proven to be a fake. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
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[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 19, 2011, at 6:38 PM, richardnelson108 wrote: Hello Vaj- I could not help but respond to your post #277247. Why do you continually feel the need to act like an expert about things you know nothing about. You say we now know two things. We do not know anything. We do not know that Guru dev never authorized MMY to teach. Yes, we do know this. In fact, it would run contrary to the spirit of SBS's beliefs for him to authorize Mahesh to teach. SO this is really no huge surprise. We do not know that MMY kept the poem that the pundit wrote about Guru Dev, even though he was told to throw it away. Where do you get your facts from? The origin of the TM puja has been exhaustively researched and it's sources have been known for several years. You make up these things to fit your point of view. Nowhere in the story that MMY told about that poem (which is the only source from which we even know this poem existed) did he say he kept it, even though Guru Dev told him to throw it in the Ganges. And it is clear that you know nothing about MMY because the one thing you can bet your life on is that if Guru Dev told MMMY to do something, it would be done. You make assumptions based on nothing. Another great lie that you have continued to propigate in past posts is that MMY poisoned Guru Dev. There has never been any evidence that this is true. But yet you continue to quote it as if it is scripture. No, I said he was one of the main SUSPECTS. I don't believe it is possible at this late to know what exactly happened. FINALLY SOME TRUTH FROM YOU VAJ! It is too late to know exactly what happened! So why must you write as if you do know? And that is Bullshit that MMY was one of the main suspects in the so called poisoning. STOP SPREADING THESE RUMORS! I have been to the Shankaracharya ashram many times and have asked many people there about this supposed poisoning. Nobody there ever heard of it! And hence MMY could never ever been one of the prime suspects if there was never even talk of a poisoning happenning in the first place. I also met with one of the retired Supreme court judges in Allhahabad who was asked to handle Guru Dev's will and all that went on with that. He said there was never any talk of poisoning. And again, you have no idea what Guru Dev said to MMY and what he didn't regarding him teaching or not. THE POINT IS YOU DON'T KNOW AND NEITHER DOES ANYONE ELSE SO WHY CAN'T YOU JUST GIVE UP YOUR POSITION WHICH YOU CONSTANTLY HAVE TO STICK TO? And for those of us who have gotten something good out of what Maharishi gave us and it changed our lives for the better... SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY. YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardnelson108 richardnelson108@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 19, 2011, at 6:38 PM, richardnelson108 wrote: Hello Vaj- I could not help but respond to your post #277247. Why do you continually feel the need to act like an expert about things you know nothing about. You say we now know two things. We do not know anything. We do not know that Guru dev never authorized MMY to teach. Yes, we do know this. In fact, it would run contrary to the spirit of SBS's beliefs for him to authorize Mahesh to teach. SO this is really no huge surprise. We do not know that MMY kept the poem that the pundit wrote about Guru Dev, even though he was told to throw it away. Where do you get your facts from? The origin of the TM puja has been exhaustively researched and it's sources have been known for several years. You make up these things to fit your point of view. Nowhere in the story that MMY told about that poem (which is the only source from which we even know this poem existed) did he say he kept it, even though Guru Dev told him to throw it in the Ganges. And it is clear that you know nothing about MMY because the one thing you can bet your life on is that if Guru Dev told MMMY to do something, it would be done. You make assumptions based on nothing. Another great lie that you have continued to propigate in past posts is that MMY poisoned Guru Dev. There has never been any evidence that this is true. But yet you continue to quote it as if it is scripture. No, I said he was one of the main SUSPECTS. I don't believe it is possible at this late to know what exactly happened. FINALLY SOME TRUTH FROM YOU VAJ! It is too late to know exactly what happened! So why must you write as if you do know? And that is Bullshit that MMY was one of the main suspects in the so called poisoning. STOP SPREADING THESE RUMORS! I have been to the Shankaracharya ashram many times and have asked many people there about this supposed poisoning. Nobody there ever heard of it! And hence MMY could never ever been one of the prime suspects if there was never even talk of a poisoning happenning in the first place. I also met with one of the retired Supreme court judges in Allhahabad who was asked to handle Guru Dev's will and all that went on with that. He said there was never any talk of poisoning. And again, you have no idea what Guru Dev said to MMY and what he didn't regarding him teaching or not. THE POINT IS YOU DON'T KNOW AND NEITHER DOES ANYONE ELSE SO WHY CAN'T YOU JUST GIVE UP YOUR POSITION WHICH YOU CONSTANTLY HAVE TO STICK TO? And for those of us who have gotten something good out of what Maharishi gave us and it changed our lives for the better... SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY. YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT Well said, Richard.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo
Thanks Dude - very well put. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardnelson108 richardnelson108@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 19, 2011, at 6:38 PM, richardnelson108 wrote: Hello Vaj- I could not help but respond to your post #277247. Why do you continually feel the need to act like an expert about things you know nothing about. You say we now know two things. We do not know anything. We do not know that Guru dev never authorized MMY to teach. Yes, we do know this. In fact, it would run contrary to the spirit of SBS's beliefs for him to authorize Mahesh to teach. SO this is really no huge surprise. We do not know that MMY kept the poem that the pundit wrote about Guru Dev, even though he was told to throw it away. Where do you get your facts from? The origin of the TM puja has been exhaustively researched and it's sources have been known for several years. You make up these things to fit your point of view. Nowhere in the story that MMY told about that poem (which is the only source from which we even know this poem existed) did he say he kept it, even though Guru Dev told him to throw it in the Ganges. And it is clear that you know nothing about MMY because the one thing you can bet your life on is that if Guru Dev told MMMY to do something, it would be done. You make assumptions based on nothing. Another great lie that you have continued to propigate in past posts is that MMY poisoned Guru Dev. There has never been any evidence that this is true. But yet you continue to quote it as if it is scripture. No, I said he was one of the main SUSPECTS. I don't believe it is possible at this late to know what exactly happened. FINALLY SOME TRUTH FROM YOU VAJ! It is too late to know exactly what happened! So why must you write as if you do know? And that is Bullshit that MMY was one of the main suspects in the so called poisoning. STOP SPREADING THESE RUMORS! I have been to the Shankaracharya ashram many times and have asked many people there about this supposed poisoning. Nobody there ever heard of it! And hence MMY could never ever been one of the prime suspects if there was never even talk of a poisoning happenning in the first place. I also met with one of the retired Supreme court judges in Allhahabad who was asked to handle Guru Dev's will and all that went on with that. He said there was never any talk of poisoning. And again, you have no idea what Guru Dev said to MMY and what he didn't regarding him teaching or not. THE POINT IS YOU DON'T KNOW AND NEITHER DOES ANYONE ELSE SO WHY CAN'T YOU JUST GIVE UP YOUR POSITION WHICH YOU CONSTANTLY HAVE TO STICK TO? And for those of us who have gotten something good out of what Maharishi gave us and it changed our lives for the better... SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY. YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Friend Seeks Rental, Prefers MSV
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: How many people live in Vedic City? And is anybody still moving there? The reason I ask is I get the feeling it was almost a fad to move and live there, which has since waned considerably. Hi Jim, The 2010 US Census found about 259 people living up there. There are not very many. That was not counting the itinerant pundits in their pundit compound visiting on student visas. The pundits on visa have been rolled in to the Vedic City number now, which sort of obscures the true number living up there. Sort of like with the actual dome meditation numbers being diluted with the pundit number. Most meditators in the area live elsewhere. Mostly in Fairfield. Vedic City is mostly where TM tru-believers live. Vedic city is thinly built, kind of rural suburban. In the later 90's and through the '00's up to present, some number of baby-boomer age meditators who received windfall of inheritance or did okay in business built their ideal MSV home up there. There were a couple guys who were land developer types who built some residential rental up there. You can look on google earth. The domes you can find easily on the north edge of Fairfield. The Fairfield airport is north of the domes on the west side of the State highway. Due west of the airport you'll run in to Vedic City. You'll see it is spread around. The TM movement keeps a number of larger building out there. Further West you'll see the pundit compounds. They are really quite big. Mostly you'll see the ground is quite open. -Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 19, 2011, at 6:09 AM, Dick Mays wrote: Fwd from sherrylee33@ Hi Friends, I am wanting to move from my present place of residence, and want to know if anyone is aware of, or has, a room or two that I may rent, maybe house sit. My preference is MSV, but would consider something else if best to do. That's big of her~~I mean, how open-minded can you get? June 1st is the desired move, but might consider later if really needed. Yes, the world needs her, and other like-minded people, to save us all from the Mayan prophecies~~just in the nick of time! If you know of anything, I would love to know about it right away. There's a whole town called Vedic City, Sherry~~ with enough weird Hindu pictures and statues and enough white-walled sterility to last you quite a while. Enjoy. Sal Mention my name and I'll arrange a discount on some Amrit. :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Friend Seeks Rental, Prefers MSV
Thanks for the info Buck. The VC lifestyle sounds too specialized to attract very many people. Yeah, I've seen the domes on the Google. Sounds like Fairfield is a thriving place though. The Art Walk there reminds me of one they've had for years in Santa Barbara along Cabrillo boulevard, next to the beach. Also had an experience about 30 years ago, driving from the TM volunteer plantation-lol- near Waverly, Missouri, to MIU, and we're about an hour outside of Fairfield and it was like I picked up a strong electric current and rode it all the way into town. Pretty remarkable. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: How many people live in Vedic City? And is anybody still moving there? The reason I ask is I get the feeling it was almost a fad to move and live there, which has since waned considerably. Hi Jim, The 2010 US Census found about 259 people living up there. There are not very many. That was not counting the itinerant pundits in their pundit compound visiting on student visas. The pundits on visa have been rolled in to the Vedic City number now, which sort of obscures the true number living up there. Sort of like with the actual dome meditation numbers being diluted with the pundit number. Most meditators in the area live elsewhere. Mostly in Fairfield. Vedic City is mostly where TM tru-believers live. Vedic city is thinly built, kind of rural suburban. In the later 90's and through the '00's up to present, some number of baby-boomer age meditators who received windfall of inheritance or did okay in business built their ideal MSV home up there. There were a couple guys who were land developer types who built some residential rental up there. You can look on google earth. The domes you can find easily on the north edge of Fairfield. The Fairfield airport is north of the domes on the west side of the State highway. Due west of the airport you'll run in to Vedic City. You'll see it is spread around. The TM movement keeps a number of larger building out there. Further West you'll see the pundit compounds. They are really quite big. Mostly you'll see the ground is quite open. -Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 19, 2011, at 6:09 AM, Dick Mays wrote: Fwd from sherrylee33@ Hi Friends, I am wanting to move from my present place of residence, and want to know if anyone is aware of, or has, a room or two that I may rent, maybe house sit. My preference is MSV, but would consider something else if best to do. That's big of her~~I mean, how open-minded can you get? June 1st is the desired move, but might consider later if really needed. Yes, the world needs her, and other like-minded people, to save us all from the Mayan prophecies~~just in the nick of time! If you know of anything, I would love to know about it right away. There's a whole town called Vedic City, Sherry~~ with enough weird Hindu pictures and statues and enough white-walled sterility to last you quite a while. Enjoy. Sal Mention my name and I'll arrange a discount on some Amrit. :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM 's Mission Statement redux
Dear Feste37, you and I are some of the only tru-believers here who would like to see things work out for the movement. I hope they can succeed. Now, both of us can read the movement stuff and be right with it and understand what they are saying. But, I was taking a swing at reading it all as if I were an outsider looking in. You know, walking in the shoes of another. Trying to empathsize with an outsider looking in. I found the empathetic reading almost impossible. It is a bunch of cult-speak to anyone looking in. So, I then took a swing at distilling some core things down using their essential language that is there but slimming down the hyperbolic TM-movement-ese. Version I was the straightest most secular I could get in one sentence using their words. Version II is the mission statement off the web page. Version II is un-readable. Version III was in between I and II editing in progress. I'm just trying to help. -Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: I don't know where Doug gets these different versions from but the one that actually appears is not bad at all: About the University Mission Statement of the University Maharishi University of Management was founded in 1971 by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to fulfill the highest ideals of education. Foremost among these ideals is developing the full potential of consciousness in every student to help students develop the ability to think and act in accord with the laws of nature and to live fulfilled and successful lives. This fulfills the long-sought goal of education: to produce fully developed individuals, citizens who can fulfill their own aspirations while promoting all good in society. We have pioneered a unique system of higher education, Consciousness-Based education, that systematically cultures students' full creative intelligence, the basis of learning. Consciousness-Based education gives traditional academic study the foundation of complete knowledge of consciousness coupled with simple, natural, scientifically validated technologies for developing consciousness. These technologies are the Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi programs, including Yogic Flying. This integrated approach develops students' ability to manage their lives successfully, to grow steadily in health, happiness, and wisdom, and to achieve professional success and personal fulfillment. Our unique educational programs fulfill a commitment to four broad areas of responsibility: Holistic development of students cultivation of consciousness, mind, body, and behavior Academic excellence training at the forefront of knowledge in each discipline and in the ability to think critically and act effectively and ethically Scholarship that expands the domains of knowledge, expressed in all four areas of scholarship discovery, teaching and learning, integration, and application. Improved quality of life for the individual, the community, the nation, and the world. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgillam@ wrote: I'd say Craig Pearson needs to edit that mission statement. As I learned when a student at Maharishi International University, the mission statement is different from the strategies employed to pursue that mission, and the strategies are different from the tactics followed to implement the strategies. This statement makes the usual mistake that most committees make, which is to fail to differentiate among those elements, and instead pile them all into one clusterfuck of a sentence. Craig knows better. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Om, which (?) version is more read-able: Version I: Maharishi University of Management was founded in 1971 by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to produce more fully developed individuals, by developing the potential of consciousnesswithin every student through a higher educational system of Consciousness-Based education giving traditional academic knowledge a foundation coupled with the study of consciousness through Transcendental Meditation and other scientifically validated practices taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi for developing consciousness. Or, Version II: Maharishi University of Management was founded in 1971 by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to fulfill the highest ideals of education. Foremost among these ideals is developing the full potential of consciousness in every student to help students develop the ability to think and act in accord with the laws of nature and to live fulfilled and successful lives. This fulfills the long-sought goal of education: to produce fully developed individuals, citizens who can fulfill their own aspirations while
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Friend Seeks Rental, Prefers MSV
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Thanks for the info Buck. The VC lifestyle sounds too specialized to attract very many people. Yeah, I've seen the domes on the Google. Sounds like Fairfield is a thriving place though. Bevan lives out there in VC and holds court when he is around. Kind of a Bin Laden compound feeling to the place. He is not seen except by the very inner core here. Purportedly he's the bully in the middle. As one of his direct movement peers described him, Bevan lacks 'social skills', which is a problem. King Tony and his family went back to Paris right away. They are not out in Vedic City no more. The Art Walk there reminds me of one they've had for years in Santa Barbara along Cabrillo boulevard, next to the beach. Also had an experience about 30 years ago, driving from the TM volunteer plantation-lol- near Waverly, Missouri, to MIU, and we're about an hour outside of Fairfield and it was like I picked up a strong electric current and rode it all the way into town. Pretty remarkable. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: How many people live in Vedic City? And is anybody still moving there? The reason I ask is I get the feeling it was almost a fad to move and live there, which has since waned considerably. Hi Jim, The 2010 US Census found about 259 people living up there. There are not very many. That was not counting the itinerant pundits in their pundit compound visiting on student visas. The pundits on visa have been rolled in to the Vedic City number now, which sort of obscures the true number living up there. Sort of like with the actual dome meditation numbers being diluted with the pundit number. Most meditators in the area live elsewhere. Mostly in Fairfield. Vedic City is mostly where TM tru-believers live. Vedic city is thinly built, kind of rural suburban. In the later 90's and through the '00's up to present, some number of baby-boomer age meditators who received windfall of inheritance or did okay in business built their ideal MSV home up there. There were a couple guys who were land developer types who built some residential rental up there. You can look on google earth. The domes you can find easily on the north edge of Fairfield. The Fairfield airport is north of the domes on the west side of the State highway. Due west of the airport you'll run in to Vedic City. You'll see it is spread around. The TM movement keeps a number of larger building out there. Further West you'll see the pundit compounds. They are really quite big. Mostly you'll see the ground is quite open. -Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 19, 2011, at 6:09 AM, Dick Mays wrote: Fwd from sherrylee33@ Hi Friends, I am wanting to move from my present place of residence, and want to know if anyone is aware of, or has, a room or two that I may rent, maybe house sit. My preference is MSV, but would consider something else if best to do. That's big of her~~I mean, how open-minded can you get? June 1st is the desired move, but might consider later if really needed. Yes, the world needs her, and other like-minded people, to save us all from the Mayan prophecies~~just in the nick of time! If you know of anything, I would love to know about it right away. There's a whole town called Vedic City, Sherry~~ with enough weird Hindu pictures and statues and enough white-walled sterility to last you quite a while. Enjoy. Sal Mention my name and I'll arrange a discount on some Amrit. :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo
Richard, Calm down and consider the facts long demonstrated here on FFL. Vaj is a classic newsgroup troll ... someone whose only purpose is to cause everyone else to argue, to provoke readers to an emotional reaction and to disrupt normal on-topic discussion. A concern troll is a false flag http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag pseudonym created by a user whose actual point of view http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_%28cognitive%29 is opposed to the one that the user claims to hold. The concern troll posts in Web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingroup_bias , but with professed concerns. The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29#cite_note-timemag-16 within the group. Vaj trolls here, along with Barry, strictly due to Rick choosing to allow it. He seems quite amused by their behaviors. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardnelson108 richardnelson108@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 19, 2011, at 6:38 PM, richardnelson108 wrote: Hello Vaj- I could not help but respond to your post #277247. Why do you continually feel the need to act like an expert about things you know nothing about. You say we now know two things. We do not know anything. We do not know that Guru dev never authorized MMY to teach. Yes, we do know this. In fact, it would run contrary to the spirit of SBS's beliefs for him to authorize Mahesh to teach. SO this is really no huge surprise. We do not know that MMY kept the poem that the pundit wrote about Guru Dev, even though he was told to throw it away. Where do you get your facts from? The origin of the TM puja has been exhaustively researched and it's sources have been known for several years. You make up these things to fit your point of view. Nowhere in the story that MMY told about that poem (which is the only source from which we even know this poem existed) did he say he kept it, even though Guru Dev told him to throw it in the Ganges. And it is clear that you know nothing about MMY because the one thing you can bet your life on is that if Guru Dev told MMMY to do something, it would be done. You make assumptions based on nothing. Another great lie that you have continued to propigate in past posts is that MMY poisoned Guru Dev. There has never been any evidence that this is true. But yet you continue to quote it as if it is scripture. No, I said he was one of the main SUSPECTS. I don't believe it is possible at this late to know what exactly happened. FINALLY SOME TRUTH FROM YOU VAJ! It is too late to know exactly what happened! So why must you write as if you do know? And that is Bullshit that MMY was one of the main suspects in the so called poisoning. STOP SPREADING THESE RUMORS! I have been to the Shankaracharya ashram many times and have asked many people there about this supposed poisoning. Nobody there ever heard of it! And hence MMY could never ever been one of the prime suspects if there was never even talk of a poisoning happenning in the first place. I also met with one of the retired Supreme court judges in Allhahabad who was asked to handle Guru Dev's will and all that went on with that. He said there was never any talk of poisoning. And again, you have no idea what Guru Dev said to MMY and what he didn't regarding him teaching or not. THE POINT IS YOU DON'T KNOW AND NEITHER DOES ANYONE ELSE SO WHY CAN'T YOU JUST GIVE UP YOUR POSITION WHICH YOU CONSTANTLY HAVE TO STICK TO? And for those of us who have gotten something good out of what Maharishi gave us and it changed our lives for the better... SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY. YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Magical Puja Placebo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: I actually sometimes, when watching a sunrise imagine that I am on a sphere, and the rotation of the Earth is bringing me into view of the sun, and at the same time there is also a horizontal motion of the Earth relative to the sun that is its revolution around the sun. But most of the time, it is just, oh, the Sun is coming up, and that has even less resolution than the Sun going around the Earth hypothesis because I do not even think of that. The perceptual environment in which we make our way through life and the *real* environment in which we are situated are amazingly different. I sometimes try, without much success, to see the sun as a gigantic ball of unimaginably hot gases 93 million miles away rather than as a smallish but very bright spotlight moving across a domed ceiling. The *real* environment and our perceptual environment really are the same. There are ways, with instrumentation for example, through which we extend our experience and concepts of our environment, say by looking through a telescope. Much of what we think of as our *real* environment is conceptual, we have our thoughts about it. A picture of the planet Jupiter made using a digital sensor from a space craft that was radioed back to Earth extends our view of that point that we see in the sky. The picture is not Jupiter, it is not a direct experience of Jupiter, it is a direct experience of a representation of Jupiter that by way of logic, we presume really does correspond with the *real* Jupiter we see in the night sky. Have you noticed that astrologers almost never look at the sky? Everything is representational, computational. But all we really directly experience is what our eyes, ears, touch, etc. present as our inner and outer environment. Internal experiences are more difficult to judge since we do not really know what another is experiencing, except by analogy with our own. Some people see auras for example, or rather they say they see auras. I have never seen one, and objective tests of persons making this claim have not shown that they have seen such a thing. And just this very minute, it occurred to me that I don't perceive daylight as a function of the sun's illumination, but almost the reverse: the sun appears when it's daylight. No kidding, I never realized this was my habitual perception before! Boy, that sun is way brighter than I thought. I do agree with you that an argument can be pointless, but we do have to be on guard to argue cognizant of the level of understanding of our opponent, and it may be with certain ones, such argument will be eternally fruitless. True. Or they may have a different conceptual framework, or even just one from which pieces are missing. I think of a very bright friend of mine years ago when she started a new job that required her to learn to use a computer. She called me a few days later deeply perplexed. She'd been told to put a report she'd been working on on a floppy disk to give to someone else to look at while she finished up the details. How am I supposed to keep working on it, she wanted to know, when I've given it to Joe? Your friend just was not conversant with the reality of copying digital information, she was thinking of the file like a book or paper document, which when you give it away you no longer have it. This is the basic problem of spirituality, our idea of what is versus what is. I think Einstein's view of the revolution of the Sun and Earth is probably beyond my ability to visualize, as it takes in not just ideas like centre of mass, but time dilation resulting from warped space and the equivalence of mass and energy. Newton was wrong. The orbit of Mercury around the Sun fits Einstein's theory instead. No one has yet found a way to dethrone Einstein. When we argue (logically, not an altercation) we have to be discussing the same level of resolution of the situation or we get equivocation, or using the same words but with different meanings, understandings. At least for this topic, we have an ultimate authority. Facts are a good place to start. If I have an orange in my right hand, and nothing in my left hand, what are the facts here? If I have an invisible, incorporeal orange in my right hand, and nothing in my left hand, what are the facts here? Both hands look the same. Which one has the invisible orange? A lot of arguments regarding spirituality reflect these two situations, and why such arguments are never resolved. What do you say when the other party insists the fact is that there's no such thing as an invisible, incorporeal orange? Well, I do not think there are such things, but this is the basic problem when discussing metaphysical concepts. A friend of mine pointed this out
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_P86w3jiXpHU/TN4Xv2bDPQI/Mqc/wLl96VxhZ1E/s1600/troll+2.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Richard, Calm down and consider the facts long demonstrated here on FFL. Vaj is a classic newsgroup troll ... someone whose only purpose is to cause everyone else to argue, to provoke readers to an emotional reaction and to disrupt normal on-topic discussion. A concern troll is a false flag http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag pseudonym created by a user whose actual point of view http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_%28cognitive%29 is opposed to the one that the user claims to hold. The concern troll posts in Web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingroup_bias , but with professed concerns. The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29#cite_note-timemag-16 within the group. Vaj trolls here, along with Barry, strictly due to Rick choosing to allow it. He seems quite amused by their behaviors. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardnelson108 richardnelson108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 19, 2011, at 6:38 PM, richardnelson108 wrote: Hello Vaj- I could not help but respond to your post #277247. Why do you continually feel the need to act like an expert about things you know nothing about. You say we now know two things. We do not know anything. We do not know that Guru dev never authorized MMY to teach. Yes, we do know this. In fact, it would run contrary to the spirit of SBS's beliefs for him to authorize Mahesh to teach. SO this is really no huge surprise. We do not know that MMY kept the poem that the pundit wrote about Guru Dev, even though he was told to throw it away. Where do you get your facts from? The origin of the TM puja has been exhaustively researched and it's sources have been known for several years. You make up these things to fit your point of view. Nowhere in the story that MMY told about that poem (which is the only source from which we even know this poem existed) did he say he kept it, even though Guru Dev told him to throw it in the Ganges. And it is clear that you know nothing about MMY because the one thing you can bet your life on is that if Guru Dev told MMMY to do something, it would be done. You make assumptions based on nothing. Another great lie that you have continued to propigate in past posts is that MMY poisoned Guru Dev. There has never been any evidence that this is true. But yet you continue to quote it as if it is scripture. No, I said he was one of the main SUSPECTS. I don't believe it is possible at this late to know what exactly happened. FINALLY SOME TRUTH FROM YOU VAJ! It is too late to know exactly what happened! So why must you write as if you do know? And that is Bullshit that MMY was one of the main suspects in the so called poisoning. STOP SPREADING THESE RUMORS! I have been to the Shankaracharya ashram many times and have asked many people there about this supposed poisoning. Nobody there ever heard of it! And hence MMY could never ever been one of the prime suspects if there was never even talk of a poisoning happenning in the first place. I also met with one of the retired Supreme court judges in Allhahabad who was asked to handle Guru Dev's will and all that went on with that. He said there was never any talk of poisoning. And again, you have no idea what Guru Dev said to MMY and what he didn't regarding him teaching or not. THE POINT IS YOU DON'T KNOW AND NEITHER DOES ANYONE ELSE SO WHY CAN'T YOU JUST GIVE UP YOUR POSITION WHICH YOU CONSTANTLY HAVE TO STICK TO? And for those of us who have gotten something good out of what Maharishi gave us and it changed our lives for the better... SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY. YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of emptybill Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 9:29 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo Richard, Calm down and consider the facts long demonstrated here on FFL. Vaj is a classic newsgroup troll ... someone whose only purpose is to cause everyone else to argue, to provoke readers to an emotional reaction and to disrupt normal on-topic discussion. A concern troll is a false flag http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag pseudonym created by a user whose actual point of view http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_%28cognitive%29 is opposed to the one that the user claims to hold. The concern troll posts in Web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingroup_bias , but with professed concerns. The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt within the group. Vaj trolls here, along with Barry, strictly due to Rick choosing to allow it. He seems quite amused by their behaviors. I don't know about that, but I do know that I decided long ago that I'm not going to police FFL. I don't have the time, and it is not my nature to do so. There are enough FFL participants representing enough points of view that the whole thing is self-regulating. Every perspective is counter-balanced by some other. My interference would only upset the balance. My status as a participant is equal to everyone else's. Some agree with my point of view; others don't. I don't consider it to be more right than others' perspectives, and certainly don't want FFL to be filtered through it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo
I have to say, that in probably any court of law from Sudan to South Carolina if Vaj were to make these points, the opposing attorney would be saying objection your honor, this is speculation, or objection your honor, this is heresay, and in nine out of ten cases the objection would be sustained. But as someone pointed out, Vaj, when challenged to back up some statements, generally does not respond. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 19, 2011, at 6:38 PM, richardnelson108 wrote: Hello Vaj- I could not help but respond to your post #277247. Why do you continually feel the need to act like an expert about things you know nothing about. You say we now know two things. We do not know anything. We do not know that Guru dev never authorized MMY to teach. Yes, we do know this. In fact, it would run contrary to the spirit of SBS's beliefs for him to authorize Mahesh to teach. SO this is really no huge surprise. We do not know that MMY kept the poem that the pundit wrote about Guru Dev, even though he was told to throw it away. Where do you get your facts from? The origin of the TM puja has been exhaustively researched and it's sources have been known for several years. You make up these things to fit your point of view. Nowhere in the story that MMY told about that poem (which is the only source from which we even know this poem existed) did he say he kept it, even though Guru Dev told him to throw it in the Ganges. And it is clear that you know nothing about MMY because the one thing you can bet your life on is that if Guru Dev told MMMY to do something, it would be done. You make assumptions based on nothing. Another great lie that you have continued to propigate in past posts is that MMY poisoned Guru Dev. There has never been any evidence that this is true. But yet you continue to quote it as if it is scripture. No, I said he was one of the main SUSPECTS. I don't believe it is possible at this late to know what exactly happened.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardnelson108 richardnelson108@... wrote: And for those of us who have gotten something good out of what Maharishi gave us and it changed our lives for the better... SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY. YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT Richard, I hate to say it, but I think you just re-charged Vaj's batteries.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardnelson108 richardnelson108@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 19, 2011, at 6:38 PM, richardnelson108 wrote: Hello Vaj- I could not help but respond to your post #277247. Why do you continually feel the need to act like an expert about things you know nothing about. You say we now know two things. We do not know anything. We do not know that Guru dev never authorized MMY to teach. Yes, we do know this. In fact, it would run contrary to the spirit of SBS's beliefs for him to authorize Mahesh to teach. SO this is really no huge surprise. We do not know that MMY kept the poem that the pundit wrote about Guru Dev, even though he was told to throw it away. Where do you get your facts from? The origin of the TM puja has been exhaustively researched and it's sources have been known for several years. You make up these things to fit your point of view. Nowhere in the story that MMY told about that poem (which is the only source from which we even know this poem existed) did he say he kept it, even though Guru Dev told him to throw it in the Ganges. And it is clear that you know nothing about MMY because the one thing you can bet your life on is that if Guru Dev told MMMY to do something, it would be done. You make assumptions based on nothing. Another great lie that you have continued to propigate in past posts is that MMY poisoned Guru Dev. There has never been any evidence that this is true. But yet you continue to quote it as if it is scripture. No, I said he was one of the main SUSPECTS. I don't believe it is possible at this late to know what exactly happened. FINALLY SOME TRUTH FROM YOU VAJ! It is too late to know exactly what happened! So why must you write as if you do know? And that is Bullshit that MMY was one of the main suspects in the so called poisoning. STOP SPREADING THESE RUMORS! I have been to the Shankaracharya ashram many times and have asked many people there about this supposed poisoning. Nobody there ever heard of it! And hence MMY could never ever been one of the prime suspects if there was never even talk of a poisoning happenning in the first place. I also met with one of the retired Supreme court judges in Allhahabad who was asked to handle Guru Dev's will and all that went on with that. He said there was never any talk of poisoning. And again, you have no idea what Guru Dev said to MMY and what he didn't regarding him teaching or not. THE POINT IS YOU DON'T KNOW AND NEITHER DOES ANYONE ELSE SO WHY CAN'T YOU JUST GIVE UP YOUR POSITION WHICH YOU CONSTANTLY HAVE TO STICK TO? And for those of us who have gotten something good out of what Maharishi gave us and it changed our lives for the better... SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY. YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT Boo Yah! Nicely delivered smack down. Thanks, Richard.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Friend Seeks Rental, Prefers MSV
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: You can look on google earth. I did, and on a little hill over looking VC, I saw a lone figure sitting, with a thought bubble that said, One day. One day maybe there're be a place for me here. It sort of looked like you Buck. But I couldn't quite get the resolution needed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardnelson108 richardnelson108@ wrote: And for those of us who have gotten something good out of what Maharishi gave us and it changed our lives for the better... SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY. YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT Richard, I hate to say it, but I think you just re-charged Vaj's batteries. Nah. Richard called Vaj on two of his favorite lies. What's left? Maharishi was a lecher? SOS.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Nah. Richard called Vaj on two of his favorite lies. What's left? Maharishi was a lecher? SOS. I am concluding that Vaj is actually still a disciple of Maharishi. Yes, I know the story told by Maharishi or Guru Dev about the disciple who always criticized his master and pointed out his faults, and the master replying that this disciple was actually he greatest devotee because he was, in a sense, taking on the master's karma. I don't really mean it in that way. It may be that Jim is right, that Vaj is reaching out to M to heal him (Vaj) in some way. Vaj must feel deeply betrayed and he can't get over it. Logically, you would think that he would move on. I meanVaj has a new love. She's come from a proper family, well vetted, and without a taint. And yet he keeps coming back to his old lover, longing for those old embraces. Maybe this is Vaj's story. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hurts+so+good+john+mellencam\ paq=1oq=hurts+so+good http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hurts+so+good+john+mellenca\ mpaq=1oq=hurts+so+good
[FairfieldLife] Superhero Situation Room
Marvel and DC comic heroes in the Situation Room watching the Osama bin Laden raid raises the question, why did they need Navy Seals to do the takedown? [http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gPxf-pFqS6M/Tcp_Js9N7sI/AJA/s2Yr6oI2v\ HA/s1600/superheroes-marvel-DC-comics-osama-bin-laden-raid-white-house-s\ ituation-room.jpg]
[FairfieldLife] 'End of the World?'
Seems like the end of the world is upon us...? But, what world is coming to an end? Maybe it's the end of the 'Big Lie?'... Perhaps its the time, when the light has gotten the upper hand... And, the darknesses recedes on all sides, above and below... A time of personal enlightenment, and personal power... When the meek are inheriting the earth... From the fear-mongers, money grubbers and ego-spinners... The end of the forbodden power of darkness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Friend Seeks Rental, Prefers MSV
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Thanks for the info Buck. The VC lifestyle sounds too specialized to attract very many people. Yeah, I've seen the domes on the Google. Sounds like Fairfield is a thriving place though. Bevan lives out there in VC and holds court when he is around. Kind of a Bin Laden compound feeling to the place. He is not seen except by the very inner core here. Purportedly he's the bully in the middle. As one of his direct movement peers described him, Bevan lacks 'social skills', which is a problem. Ha-Ha! It just doesn't sound like fun over there...in the 21st century anyway. Perhaps the kind meditators of Fairfield should take up a sympathy collection and donate a case of decent wine and the game of Guitar Hero to the citizens of Vedic City, in the interests of cultural integrity. King Tony and his family went back to Paris right away. They are not out in Vedic City no more. The Art Walk there reminds me of one they've had for years in Santa Barbara along Cabrillo boulevard, next to the beach. Also had an experience about 30 years ago, driving from the TM volunteer plantation-lol- near Waverly, Missouri, to MIU, and we're about an hour outside of Fairfield and it was like I picked up a strong electric current and rode it all the way into town. Pretty remarkable. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: How many people live in Vedic City? And is anybody still moving there? The reason I ask is I get the feeling it was almost a fad to move and live there, which has since waned considerably. Hi Jim, The 2010 US Census found about 259 people living up there. There are not very many. That was not counting the itinerant pundits in their pundit compound visiting on student visas. The pundits on visa have been rolled in to the Vedic City number now, which sort of obscures the true number living up there. Sort of like with the actual dome meditation numbers being diluted with the pundit number. Most meditators in the area live elsewhere. Mostly in Fairfield. Vedic City is mostly where TM tru-believers live. Vedic city is thinly built, kind of rural suburban. In the later 90's and through the '00's up to present, some number of baby-boomer age meditators who received windfall of inheritance or did okay in business built their ideal MSV home up there. There were a couple guys who were land developer types who built some residential rental up there. You can look on google earth. The domes you can find easily on the north edge of Fairfield. The Fairfield airport is north of the domes on the west side of the State highway. Due west of the airport you'll run in to Vedic City. You'll see it is spread around. The TM movement keeps a number of larger building out there. Further West you'll see the pundit compounds. They are really quite big. Mostly you'll see the ground is quite open. -Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 19, 2011, at 6:09 AM, Dick Mays wrote: Fwd from sherrylee33@ Hi Friends, I am wanting to move from my present place of residence, and want to know if anyone is aware of, or has, a room or two that I may rent, maybe house sit. My preference is MSV, but would consider something else if best to do. That's big of her~~I mean, how open-minded can you get? June 1st is the desired move, but might consider later if really needed. Yes, the world needs her, and other like-minded people, to save us all from the Mayan prophecies~~just in the nick of time! If you know of anything, I would love to know about it right away. There's a whole town called Vedic City, Sherry~~ with enough weird Hindu pictures and statues and enough white-walled sterility to last you quite a while. Enjoy. Sal Mention my name and I'll arrange a discount on some Amrit. :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo
is Vaj really that infantile? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardnelson108 richardnelson108@ wrote: And for those of us who have gotten something good out of what Maharishi gave us and it changed our lives for the better... SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY. YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT Richard, I hate to say it, but I think you just re-charged Vaj's batteries.
