[FairfieldLife] Re: Olmstead on quantum metaphysics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor matrixmonitor@ wrote: Critique of the What the Bleep movie, featuring Hagelin and other proponents of quantum metaphysics. (his pic featured...): http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/04-10-01.html Another proof of the power of thought presented in the film is the so-called Maharishi Effect. In 1993, 4,000 meditators gathered in Washington, D.C. under the direction of physicist John Hagelin. Hagelin predicted in advance that the meditations would drive down the violent crime rate in the city by 25 percent that summer. Despite the fact that the murder rate actually rose, Hagelin announced a year later that his analysis proved that the violent crime rate fell just as he had predicted. In his recent book he states that the meditators function essentially as a `washing machine' for the entire society. As with Emoto's work, there has been no replication by other scientists, no control groups, and no publications in reputable peer reviewed scientific journals to confirm the Maharishi Effect. 1) the study was published in a reputable per reviewed journal. So was at least one other, though the definition of study might allow for more confirmations to be included in this category of confirmation. 2) The murder rate doubled the average for one week of the study (22 murders) and was down to half the average (4 murders) the next week. For the entire period, the murder- rate was essentially unchanged. And the rate of *other* violent crimes (rapes, assaults, robberies) went *way* down. Hagelin has published responses to several challenges to this study. I take you it you haven't bothered reading them because the study is baloney on its face? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hik1AB/bOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:the Teacher recertification course
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Gina, it kind of blurs together. 100 millionaires courses. Rajas for a million, rajas for 500k. Re-certification, de- certification course. Re-cert started with having people pay and come in residence and then loosened up to just sending money in and only a phone call and signing papers to recert. It is something else now. The announcement on the re-cert course came out in the spring of '05. Often the movmement announcements are copied to FFL as part of the discussion. Look on the homepage at the monthly chart for the archive. The FFL archive is rich with all kinds of original material. Try the March 2005 posts. 'simplify' them and you can scroll through the subject headings to get to the re-cert area and find what you are after. I found this one in the early April posts... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/47012?l=1 Try March 2005, or April 2005 and back up in to the area of the re- cert course. Best Regards, -Doug Hamilton FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 no_reply@ wrote: Hi all! Does anyone have the written info about the teacher- recertification course? I know about it, just am curious to read the TMO's official invitation to recertification. tks! Gina --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: On the TM side, Maharishi announced a new breakthrough course and as a result all of the recertified teachers are now fully enlightened, and all displaying every one of Pantanjali's siddhis, often in public. Hey Gina, I searched a little bit. Once you get the hang of it there are gems to find. There is a lot of stuff that has nothing to do with FF or FFL. But in between there is some interesting stuff too. Some people have thrilled with filling things up here otherwise to obviscate the subject. So it is. Here are some things that might interest your research: 'Buy a Raja'. For a million or so. 50% down will do. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/45050?l=1 The re-cert and de-certification of the TMO. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/45444?threaded=1 De-certification of the TMO, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/46041?l=1 Epilogue Re-cert, A lot of people off the hook with de-certification: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/47012?l=1 These posts scratch the surface. Reading the posts around these is useful perspective. It is easiest to start in the 'messages' and then to plug the numbers of the posts into the msg.# search. That will give the post and then the area of the archive with the post. Then you can scroll back and forth through the subject headings to get the context. Basically the prime effort for both the re-certs and the rajas was to bring real estate to the TMO. Teaching TM was incidental to the real estate. You can read that and it is pretty obvious. No money of conseqence was forthcoming to the people who went along with it, as it turned out. Another side effect was that it depopulated the domes of true- believers and has diluted the group-effect that has always been the reason for Fairfield. It evidently is now about monument building and real estate building on good people's goodwill. And then, we all now know what the TMO (MMY) does with real estate. There is an old pattern. It generally gets sold and the money goes AWOL in form. If MMY and the people who facilitate him have learned nothing it is how to do real estate on the back of people's goodwill and good nature. And the people who serve him? I understand that Indians can now walk in and learn TM or the TM/Sidhis for free now. Westerners? Stick it to them. Draw your conclusions about the middle here and MMY. A lot of cultural presumption at the top may be. A little cultural anger and cultural color on MMY's part? And a theocracy in between. From early on he saw that people would readily give him things. He is a quick study from early on and now quite experienced in the game of guru and cult. I hope these posts are useful to your research. It is an interesting story really. Best Regards from Fairfield, -Doug Hamilton Doug, it's just amazing to reread this stuff! Thanks for reposting the links. Truly unbelievable, JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or
[FairfieldLife] Re: Backward causation through time.: MMY and Hawking.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor matrixmonitor@ wrote: Q's lesson: think twice before messing with the past. an alternative past may turn out worse than the real past. It's occurred to me to wonder (fancifully) whether the fact that we never seem to be able to nail down the details of what actually happened in major catastrophes--there always seem to be masses of contradictory evidence, leading to all kinds of conspiracy theories--is a function of people from various times in the future coming back to try to alter the events in different ways in an attempt to make their futures turn out better. In other words, no such major event happened *just one way*, but rather several different ways, all superimposed on each other, all with different details. It would make a good science fiction story, at any rate! Check out _Thrice Upon a Time_ by James P Hogan for one exploration of this. Rather than coming back from the future, the researchers discover that they have an extremely limited way of communicating with themselves in the very recent past (24 hour time limit). http://www.jamesphogan.com/books/thrice/baen00/titlepage.shtml' There's also the TV show, 7 Days, about Project Backstep, which allows a single chrononaught to travel back in time 7 days and attempt to avert disaster. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days There's also Benedict from Roger Zelazny's Amber series, who, as Knight-Marshal of Amber, would Walk through Shadow and view a battle from various viewpoints with slightly different conditions in order to test his theories of War. All of these assume that there is only ONE observed reality, regardless of how many potential realities there are, but that's the only interpretation of QM that I've heard of. Even the Many Worlds theory doesn't allow for multiple observations once an event is actually observed. A few more fantasy-oriented stories have examined something along this line, though. In Jordan's Wheel of Time series, there is a use of the One Power called balefire which actually removes an object from all existence. The more power used, the further back its thread is burned out of the Pattern. It's the ultimate Deus Ex Machina in the series since any event can be undone. The drawback is that while *people* might have confused memories of the original object (or creature), the physical effects of that object are undone in time, which makes for rather bizarre contradictions. The more power used, the more dangerous the contradictions. Rather than merely killing your grandfather, what if you destroy the birthplace of your grandfather, 200 years into the past? What happens to Reality in that kind of situation? Thanks for all the cites, Lawson. I've read quite a few time-travel stories over the years--I'm a big fan of Hogan--but some others you mention are new to me, and I'll check 'em out. I haven't found one yet that homes in on exactly the situation I came up with, though. Another really good one is The X President, by Philip Baruth; it's deliciously written and features dead-on sketches of Bill Clinton at the age of 109 and as a teenager: http://tinyurl.com/mx4dq Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/iDk17A/hOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, descriptions of Brahman, and the Turing test. (no way to tell!!)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of the ongoing discussions in this forum elicit a possible interface with the Turing test (below, entry copied from Wikipedia). Briefly, the person being tested sits behind a screen in which answers to questions are given, posed to (either) a real person OR a very intelligent computer. Judging solely by the content and structure of the replies (and any other linguistic criteria - but not the sound of a voice, which has to be neutral); the querant has to decide if the entity on the other side of the screen is a person or a computer. Now feature an analogous situation in which person A claims to be Enlightened, and person or persons (B, C...) have to decide if A is really E'd or not. Heehee. This is my day for synchronicity, I guess. From a post of mine on alt.m.t from 1999: The notion of being able to determine who is enlightened and who isn't has always struck me as being very much like a sort of high-level Turing test, in which if a human being can't distinguish between the responses given by a computer program and those given by another human being, the computer program is considered to be true artificial intelligence. There doesn't seem to be any other way to make the determination. But if that's the case, it follows that the only person who can tell if someone is enlightened is another enlightened person. And how do you tell if the *tester* is enlightened? I also think the TM checking algorithm is a sort of Turing test. The questions are designed to elicit answers from the meditator that will enable the teacher to distinguish between a conditioned response and an unconditioned or innocent response. (Examples of conditioned responses: trying to hold onto the mantra; trying to block thoughts; trying to determine whether one is experiencing TC or not.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hik1AB/bOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, descriptions of Brahman, and the Turing test. (no way to tell!!)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The fact that we can't tell if our will is free or not; leaves the door open for an ironic paradox: we can act AS IF our will is free, even if it isn't, and not be the worse for wear. We can't even tell if our actions are really free will or not. This begs the question: Say 't Hooft's theory is true, and we don't have free will; but we are not given that information. Note our actions under that circumstance; and then ask, would our actions differ if 't Hooft's theory is false? Pershaps not, due to the possible corollary of Conways: that there's no way for us to tell. This is why I don't understand why some folks are so thrown by the idea of determinism. If determinism were true, it would make absolutely no difference. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hik1AB/bOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The party of retreat and defeat
The Party of Retreat and Defeat By Peter Collier and David Horowitz FrontPageMagazine.com | June 19, 2006 As the fall elections approach, the Democrats have formally unveiled their platform for the war in Iraq: snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. At the very moment that documents captured from the Zarqawi death site indicate that Al Qaeda feels it is losing its war against the Iraqi future and has become so desperate that its only hope to prevail is by embroiling the U.S. in war with Iran; at the very moment Iraq's democratically elected government is establishing itself as a functioning regime, and its increasingly capable military becomes more successfully engaged against the insurgents at this critical moment for the future of Iraq and the Middle East, more than three quarters of the House Democrats have voted against a resolution to complete the mission. For the first time in American history, a major political party wants America to run from a war we are winning. We have come to an historic juncture. It is not mere perversity or jockeying for position before the fall elections that makes the Democrats refuse to take yes for an answer on this war to liberate a Muslim people, break the hold of bloodlust and authoritarianism in the most benighted region of the world, and defeat terror on its central front. Nor is the Democrats' choice of capitulation simply a reflex like so many other positions they holdof their pathological hatred of George Bush. In large part, in fact, their insensate hatred of Bush is hatred for what this war embodies: America taking up arms against a sea of troubles as turbulent as any it has faced before; America bringing freedom to the heartland of terror. That George Bush believes America can act unapologetically, without the quaking guilt his critics are convinced stains its history, is why the Democrats hate Bush. It is all the Democratic Party can do to keep from publicly embracing the assertion of the hard left as to why were are in Iraq: Blood for Oil! And the Democrats most certainly agree, with the malicious assertion of Michael Moore, although they are unwilling to repeat it in so many words, that the Iraqi insurgents are fighting an occupying power and are therefore the moral equivalent of America's Minutemen. Democrat leaders would have us believe that their present defeatism, which they labor cynically to present as statecraft, is a rueful acknowledgement of facts on the ground in Iraq. They wanted the U.S. to succeed, but because of Bush's bellicose mendacity they were forced to reconsider their support. Yet Nancy Pelosi, the Woman Who Would be Speaker, attacked the war on April 13, 2003, the day Americxan troops pulled down the statue to Saddam Hussein. It was but two months before the entire Democratic leadership was attacking the President for lying about Saddam's effort to buy fissionable uranium in Niger. The war against the war had begun even in the first flush of success. Within a few months, Ted Kennedy was claiming, The president's war is revealed as mindless, needless, senseless and reckless. Given such views as thesethe Democrats' version of bedrock principlesthe difficulties the U.S. has experienced in Iraq have been for them a wish fulfilling fantasy. Their present position America was foredoomed to failis just one short step away from Noam Chomsky's positionAmerica had it coming. And the result of these attitudes can be seen in the way the Democrats and their media allies have conducted themselves throughout. For the Bush administration and the coalition troops in Iraq the battles have been for Baghdad, Fallujah, Mosul and Basra, all engagements with the enemy in the field. For the Democrats and their media allies it has been Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, Haditha and Niger, all behind-the-lines battles against our troops and their commander-in-chief. For the Bush administration the chief prize has been Zarqawi, the beheader himself. For the Democrats it has been Scooter Libby. The Bush administration barely missed getting Osama bin Laden; the Democrats barely missed getting Karl Rove. The Bush administration's strategy is to defeat the forces of terror. The Democrats are conducting psychological warfare aimed at American morale the decisive factor in war. It is hard not to conclude that the Democrats want America to be defeated in Iraq and that it is not only their electoral opportunism but their worldview that demands it. This shows how different the Democratic Party is from what it was a generation ago when its stalwarts assumed the moral leadership in the Cold War against the Soviet Union. The current Democrats bear no kinship to the John F. Kennedys, Hubert Humphreys and Scoop Jacksons who saw this prior conflict in the same black and white terms as Bush does the present conflict, and whose disheartening moments were far bleaker than the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, descriptions of Brahman, and the Turing test. (no way to tell!!)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor matrixmonitor@ wrote: snip The fact that we can't tell if our will is free or not; leaves the door open for an ironic paradox: we can act AS IF our will is free, even if it isn't, and not be the worse for wear. We can't even tell if our actions are really free will or not. This begs the question: Say 't Hooft's theory is true, and we don't have free will; but we are not given that information. Note our actions under that circumstance; and then ask, would our actions differ if 't Hooft's theory is false? Pershaps not, due to the possible corollary of Conways: that there's no way for us to tell. This is why I don't understand why some folks are so thrown by the idea of determinism. If determinism were true, it would make absolutely no difference. It would destroy one of the tenets of some religions: we are responsible for our decision to disagree withadherents of that religion and because of this, God will punish us. How could a benevelent God punish something that, by the non-existence of Free Will, can't possibly be our fault? Of course, there's a folk psychology definition of free will that holds true regardless of the real situation: if, through verbal actions, one can influence a person's behavior in a given direction, that the person has free will and decided to take your advice. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/mDk17A/lOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, descriptions of Brahman, and the Turing test. (no way to tell!!)
The fact that we can't tell if our will is free or not; leaves the door open for an ironic paradox: we can act AS IF our will is free, even if it isn't, and not be the worse for wear. We can't even tell if our actions are really free will or not. This begs the question: Say 't Hooft's theory is true, and we don't have free will; but we are not given that information. Note our actions under that circumstance; and then ask, would our actions differ if 't Hooft's theory is false? Pershaps not, due to the possible corollary of Conways: that there's no way for us to tell. This is why I don't understand why some folks are so thrown by the idea of determinism. If determinism were true, it would make absolutely no difference. It would destroy one of the tenets of some religions: we are responsible for our decision to disagree with adherents of that religion and because of this, God will punish us. How could a benevelent God punish something that, by the non-existence of Free Will, can't possibly be our fault? Not to mention what many people would make of the idea that they have no free will. And already have, for eons. Just look at a very common view of the concept of karma in India. Karma per se is steeped in free will; its very essence is based on the notion of free will. Yet there have been millions of people who interpreted it exactly oppositely, as if their lives were determined by their past karma. Such people tend to believe, and act, as if nothing they do makes a difference. There is a sense of resignation, because in their view karma runs things, and I cannot affect it. Sad, but there you jolly well are, aren't you. I think that by far the greatest reaction to the idea that there is no free will would be *exactly* that kind of resignation, a kind of reluctance to ever DO anything, to further one's own evolution or to help other people. My approach to the determinist or non-existence of free will argument is similar to Charlton Heston's quote about guns: They can have my free will when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/mDk17A/lOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, descriptions of Brahman, and the Turing test. (no way to tell!!)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor matrixmonitor@ wrote: snip The fact that we can't tell if our will is free or not; leaves the door open for an ironic paradox: we can act AS IF our will is free, even if it isn't, and not be the worse for wear. We can't even tell if our actions are really free will or not. This begs the question: Say 't Hooft's theory is true, and we don't have free will; but we are not given that information. Note our actions under that circumstance; and then ask, would our actions differ if 't Hooft's theory is false? Pershaps not, due to the possible corollary of Conways: that there's no way for us to tell. This is why I don't understand why some folks are so thrown by the idea of determinism. If determinism were true, it would make absolutely no difference. It would destroy one of the tenets of some religions But not if people *did not and could not know* whether determinism were true--that's the whole point here. Only if they somehow could *know* that determinism were true would it make a difference (and then only in the absence of experiential knowledge that Atman = Brahman). That, as I believe I said in a previous post, would be disastrous. In other words, what I don't understand is why some people are so thrown by the *idea*--as opposed to the established fact--of determinism. : we are responsible for our decision to disagree withadherents of that religion and because of this, God will punish us. How could a benevelent God punish something that, by the non-existence of Free Will, can't possibly be our fault? Of course, there's a folk psychology definition of free will that holds true regardless of the real situation: if, through verbal actions, one can influence a person's behavior in a given direction, that the person has free will and decided to take your advice. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The party of retreat and defeat
Shemp, you can't seriously believe that these captured documents are anything other than fakes cooked up by the US psy-ops boys to fool the American public into believing that we are winning this war. It's the biggest fake since that video tape in whichbin Laden (who didn't even look like bin Laden) talked about 9/11 and how he had planned it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Party of Retreat and Defeat By Peter Collier and David Horowitz FrontPageMagazine.com | June 19, 2006 As the fall elections approach, the Democrats have formally unveiled their platform for the war in Iraq: snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. At the very moment that documents captured from the Zarqawi death site indicate that Al Qaeda feels it is losing its war against the Iraqi future and has become so desperate that its only hope to prevail is by embroiling the U.S. in war with Iran; at the very moment Iraq's democratically elected government is establishing itself as a functioning regime, and its increasingly capable military becomes more successfully engaged against the insurgents at this critical moment for the future of Iraq and the Middle East, more than three quarters of the House Democrats have voted against a resolution to complete the mission. For the first time in American history, a major political party wants America to run from a war we are winning. We have come to an historic juncture. It is not mere perversity or jockeying for position before the fall elections that makes the Democrats refuse to take yes for an answer on this war to liberate a Muslim people, break the hold of bloodlust and authoritarianism in the most benighted region of the world, and defeat terror on its central front. Nor is the Democrats' choice of capitulation simply a reflex like so many other positions they holdof their pathological hatred of George Bush. In large part, in fact, their insensate hatred of Bush is hatred for what this war embodies: America taking up arms against a sea of troubles as turbulent as any it has faced before; America bringing freedom to the heartland of terror. That George Bush believes America can act unapologetically, without the quaking guilt his critics are convinced stains its history, is why the Democrats hate Bush. It is all the Democratic Party can do to keep from publicly embracing the assertion of the hard left as to why were are in Iraq: Blood for Oil! And the Democrats most certainly agree, with the malicious assertion of Michael Moore, although they are unwilling to repeat it in so many words, that the Iraqi insurgents are fighting an occupying power and are therefore the moral equivalent of America's Minutemen. Democrat leaders would have us believe that their present defeatism, which they labor cynically to present as statecraft, is a rueful acknowledgement of facts on the ground in Iraq. They wanted the U.S. to succeed, but because of Bush's bellicose mendacity they were forced to reconsider their support. Yet Nancy Pelosi, the Woman Who Would be Speaker, attacked the war on April 13, 2003, the day Americxan troops pulled down the statue to Saddam Hussein. It was but two months before the entire Democratic leadership was attacking the President for lying about Saddam's effort to buy fissionable uranium in Niger. The war against the war had begun even in the first flush of success. Within a few months, Ted Kennedy was claiming, The president's war is revealed as mindless, needless, senseless and reckless. Given such views as thesethe Democrats' version of bedrock principlesthe difficulties the U.S. has experienced in Iraq have been for them a wish fulfilling fantasy. Their present position America was foredoomed to failis just one short step away from Noam Chomsky's positionAmerica had it coming. And the result of these attitudes can be seen in the way the Democrats and their media allies have conducted themselves throughout. For the Bush administration and the coalition troops in Iraq the battles have been for Baghdad, Fallujah, Mosul and Basra, all engagements with the enemy in the field. For the Democrats and their media allies it has been Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, Haditha and Niger, all behind-the-lines battles against our troops and their commander-in-chief. For the Bush administration the chief prize has been Zarqawi, the beheader himself. For the Democrats it has been Scooter Libby. The Bush administration barely missed getting Osama bin Laden; the Democrats barely missed getting Karl Rove. The Bush administration's strategy is to defeat the forces of terror. The Democrats are conducting psychological warfare aimed at American morale the decisive factor in war. It is hard not to conclude that the Democrats want America to be defeated in Iraq and that it is
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, descriptions of Brahman, and the Turing test. (no way to tell!!)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fact that we can't tell if our will is free or not; leaves the door open for an ironic paradox: we can act AS IF our will is free, even if it isn't, and not be the worse for wear. We can't even tell if our actions are really free will or not. This begs the question: Say 't Hooft's theory is true, and we don't have free will; but we are not given that information. Note our actions under that circumstance; and then ask, would our actions differ if 't Hooft's theory is false? Pershaps not, due to the possible corollary of Conways: that there's no way for us to tell. This is why I don't understand why some folks are so thrown by the idea of determinism. If determinism were true, it would make absolutely no difference. It would destroy one of the tenets of some religions: we are responsible for our decision to disagree with adherents of that religion and because of this, God will punish us. How could a benevelent God punish something that, by the non-existence of Free Will, can't possibly be our fault? Not to mention what many people would make of the idea that they have no free will. And already have, for eons. Just look at a very common view of the concept of karma in India. Karma per se is steeped in free will; its very essence is based on the notion of free will. Yet there have been millions of people who interpreted it exactly oppositely, as if their lives were determined by their past karma. Such people tend to believe, and act, as if nothing they do makes a difference. There is a sense of resignation, because in their view karma runs things, and I cannot affect it. Sad, but there you jolly well are, aren't you. I think that by far the greatest reaction to the idea that there is no free will would be *exactly* that kind of resignation, a kind of reluctance to ever DO anything, to further one's own evolution or to help other people. But that would be the case with these people even if there *were* free will, as long as they did not know with certainty that there was free will, as long as determinism was only a belief. For other people, belief in determinism doesn't change a thing; they continue to act *as if* they had free will. My approach to the determinist or non-existence of free will argument is similar to Charlton Heston's quote about guns: They can have my free will when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Your favorite religious organization? Make a donation at Network for Good. http://us.click.yahoo.com/EOl1HB/LPaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The party of retreat and defeat
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp, you can't seriously believe that these captured documents are anything other than fakes cooked up by the US psy-ops boys to fool the American public into believing that we are winning this war. They were more likely cooked up by certain people in the Iraqi government (although our government is happy to run with them despite knowing they're most likely fake). It's the biggest fake since that video tape in whichbin Laden (who didn't even look like bin Laden) talked about 9/11 and how he had planned it. Oh, please, this, on the other hand, is tinfoil-hattery. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The Party of Retreat and Defeat By Peter Collier and David Horowitz FrontPageMagazine.com | June 19, 2006 snip In large part, in fact, their insensate hatred of Bush is hatred for what this war embodies: America taking up arms against a sea of troubles as turbulent as any it has faced before; America bringing freedom to the heartland of terror. Yeah, right, Democrats hate freedom. Could you be just a *little* more absurd, please, Collier and Horowitz? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/iDk17A/hOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, descriptions of Brahman, and the Turing test. (no way to tell!!)
My approach to the determinist or non-existence of free will argument is similar to Charlton Heston's quote about guns: They can have my free will when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers. :-) Excellent! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fact that we can't tell if our will is free or not; leaves the door open for an ironic paradox: we can act AS IF our will is free, even if it isn't, and not be the worse for wear. We can't even tell if our actions are really free will or not. This begs the question: Say 't Hooft's theory is true, and we don't have free will; but we are not given that information. Note our actions under that circumstance; and then ask, would our actions differ if 't Hooft's theory is false? Pershaps not, due to the possible corollary of Conways: that there's no way for us to tell. This is why I don't understand why some folks are so thrown by the idea of determinism. If determinism were true, it would make absolutely no difference. It would destroy one of the tenets of some religions: we are responsible for our decision to disagree with adherents of that religion and because of this, God will punish us. How could a benevelent God punish something that, by the non-existence of Free Will, can't possibly be our fault? Not to mention what many people would make of the idea that they have no free will. And already have, for eons. Just look at a very common view of the concept of karma in India. Karma per se is steeped in free will; its very essence is based on the notion of free will. Yet there have been millions of people who interpreted it exactly oppositely, as if their lives were determined by their past karma. Such people tend to believe, and act, as if nothing they do makes a difference. There is a sense of resignation, because in their view karma runs things, and I cannot affect it. Sad, but there you jolly well are, aren't you. I think that by far the greatest reaction to the idea that there is no free will would be *exactly* that kind of resignation, a kind of reluctance to ever DO anything, to further one's own evolution or to help other people. My approach to the determinist or non-existence of free will argument is similar to Charlton Heston's quote about guns: They can have my free will when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/mDk17A/lOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Be Free will only cost you every concept and belief you hold to be true. Will. It will happen just wait. Last summer I reflected back on how perfectly engineered my life appeared to be such that I was still alive and healthy today. But, a day or two later, it occurred to me that I was making a judgment call: who's to say my life wouldn't have been just as perfect if I'd died 20 years ago? In discussing this with Tom Traynor, he wrapped it up perfectly: Things happen exactly as they should. Why? Because that's the way they happened. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/mDk17A/lOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The party of retreat and defeat
Tinfoil-hattery? That's a new one for me. That video of bin Laden just happened to have been left lying around in a house in Afghanistan and the US just happened to find it . . . yeah, right. My motto for the day is: Never underestimate the mendacity of our government, especially when it comes to war. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Shemp, you can't seriously believe that these captured documents are anything other than fakes cooked up by the US psy-ops boys to fool the American public into believing that we are winning this war. They were more likely cooked up by certain people in the Iraqi government (although our government is happy to run with them despite knowing they're most likely fake). It's the biggest fake since that video tape in whichbin Laden (who didn't even look like bin Laden) talked about 9/11 and how he had planned it. Oh, please, this, on the other hand, is tinfoil-hattery. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The Party of Retreat and Defeat By Peter Collier and David Horowitz FrontPageMagazine.com | June 19, 2006 snip In large part, in fact, their insensate hatred of Bush is hatred for what this war embodies: America taking up arms against a sea of troubles as turbulent as any it has faced before; America bringing freedom to the heartland of terror. Yeah, right, Democrats hate freedom. Could you be just a *little* more absurd, please, Collier and Horowitz? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Your favorite religious organization? Make a donation at Network for Good. http://us.click.yahoo.com/EOl1HB/LPaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Happy Birthday Jim Flanegin
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday Jim Flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today's the day! Many happy returns. Or not, if we're talking reincarnation and you'd rather not... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/iDk17A/hOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Bush Policy In Iraq/Based on 'Mindwar'...'
It has become obvious that the Bush Iraq Policy is
based on a CIA brief,written in 1980, called
'Mindwar'. One of the authors of 'Mindwar' is a known
Satanist.
Mindwar basically has three aspects:
1. using brainwashing techniques, of repeating the
same message over and over again. ('stay the course',
for example).
2. using the notion that it is impossible to win
against the all-powerful U.S. forces.
3. using stressors on the population to weaken their
will over time, through various methods.
These methods are also used on the domestic
population, in the U.S. as well. (which is causing
many to doubt anything that comes out of Bush
Administration's mouth).
R.Gimbel New York, NY
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In discussing this with Tom Traynor, he wrapped it up perfectly: Things happen exactly as they should. Why? Because that's the way they happened. Though meaningful perhaps via some other understandings or knowledge, by itself, the quote is hard to distinguish from a tautology. Tautology has at least three distinct meanings: * Tautology (logic), a statement true by virtue of its logical form. * Tautology (rhetoric), undesirable use of redundant language that adds no information. * Truism, an assertion that is so obvious as to add nothing to a discussion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] SSRS: 20 million?
The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/iDk17A/hOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!
On Jun 20, 2006, at 12:57 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In discussing this with Tom Traynor, he wrapped it up perfectly: Things happen exactly as they should. Why? Because that's the way they happened. Though "meaningful" perhaps via some other understandings or knowledge, by itself, the quote is hard to distinguish from a tautology. Tautology has at least three distinct meanings: * Tautology (logic), a statement true by virtue of its logical form. * Tautology (rhetoric), undesirable use of redundant language that adds no information. * Truism, an assertion that is so obvious as to add nothing to a discussion. Unfortunately your last post was not meant to happen. Sorry.;-) __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, descriptions of Brahman, and the Turing test. (no way to tell!!)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: This is why I don't understand why some folks are so thrown by the idea of determinism. If determinism were true, it would make absolutely no difference. Determinism perhaps may not be the best word to describe the absence of deep and fundamental free will. Some unecessarily take an extreme i) reductionist and ii) static projectionist view of the word determinism, neither of which is necessary to describe the natural state of the absence of deep and fundamental free will. Extreme reductionism back to first causes and to quantum physical states, while it may be entertaining specualation, is not necessary to understand, get and know the absence of deep and fundamental free will. And this absence does not imply extreme static projectionism -- that is, it does not require an assumption that all final states are already determined, as in set in concrete and can be accurately projected or predicted to and end-state from today. In contrast to the above, in my view, the absence of deep and fundamental free will simply means that current decisions can be traced to prior causes. It is not necessary to explicitly link this back to the Big Bang or QM. Two more stumbling points for some are is the views i) that past causes are static -- in contrast to the more abundant situation of being dynamic, learning processes, and iii) misunderstanding or misappropriating the who that constitutes the doer. Per i), the prior causes to which current decisions can be traced can involve many dynamic loops of learned behaviors. Including the behavior to learn itself. Learning has provided ample rewards in the past such that the motivation to learn has been deeply learned. Learning involves experimentation, laying out options, intellectual processes to optimize ones values (which are learned from experience over time), evaluation of outcomes etc. For example, a simple example, too simple -- in that some can always attribute other factors. However, I suggest that those other factors have a prior cause also -- if one digs deeply enough. Example: I eat xyz today due to many past causes -- its what I bought yesterday (prior cause), it can be fixed in the time I have -- per schedule (prior cause), knowledge that if I don't eat I get weaker / tired (prior cause), knowledge that this particular food tastes good (prior cause), knowledge of the nutritional value of this food (prior cause) etc. The decision to cook and eat xyz does not involve free will -- it involves the interaction of learned behavior, prior knowledge, (attempted) optimization of values to maximize satisfaction, etc. The right choice for this moment just unfolds. Per ii), who is the doer. If (individual) identity exists, if that idenfification process identifies with the intellect in the above example and processes, sure, there is a sense I am deciding. However, at some point in spiritual unfoldment, the (individual) identification process simmers down, and among other things, the intellect realizes it is not IT. And that -- the intellect -- works according to its structure (past causes), energies (past causes), past experience (past causes), and learned effective huristics and rules (past causes). What I have for lunch today, as with all my daily actions, can be traced to past causes -- which include many complex, dynamic processes, including two very strong ones -- adaptation and learning. To understand and know this view, there is not any need to: i) reduce it to quantum level, ii) reduce it to First Causes (for example, Big Bang), or to project these past causes to some ultimate, singular end state. As to those that claim that this type of absence of free will results in i) lack of responsibily for ones actions, or ii) lethargic who cares nilhism, are simply missing the points above, and are viewing past causes, learned and optimizing behaviors processes and patterns in a very limited way -- as static and of low dimentionality. --- An Observation - (Based on observed past behavior of some, some will react strongly to this view, and criticize it, not based on the actual experience / model suggested, but from their understandings of some past, near-unrelated concept they have regarding free-will (same name, different thing), that bothers them, pushes their buttons. Their responses will be determined by theses past causes (old concepts, faulty reading abilities, faulty reasoning, etc) and their responses will be be predictably off the point -- and off into their own universes where they fight past dragons that still haunt them. Or, the learing loop dynamic, and the learned tendency to favor cognitive accuracy -- both always present -- may take dominance this time around, and they may begin to assimilate a different view, different from the dragon that they have been dealing with for some time. In
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: In discussing this with Tom Traynor, he wrapped it up perfectly: Things happen exactly as they should. Why? Because that's the way they happened. Though meaningful perhaps via some other understandings or knowledge, by itself, the quote is hard to distinguish from a tautology. And then there's always this old chestnut: Q: Maharishi, if everything is perfect just as it is, why are we working so hard to change things? A: That too is perfect just as it is. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hik1AB/bOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] SSRS: 20 million?
In a message dated 6/20/06 12:20:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation.Is that more than TM?He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore!Way to go Ravi! And he only charges about 250.00 to learn his techniques and will accept what you can afford if you have a problem with the course fee. He has no shortage of people learning either. He has TM teachers teach his meditation which I understand is TM+ an advanced technique. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 20, 2006, at 12:57 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: In discussing this with Tom Traynor, he wrapped it up perfectly: Things happen exactly as they should. Why? Because that's the way they happened. Though meaningful perhaps via some other understandings or knowledge, by itself, the quote is hard to distinguish from a tautology. Tautology has at least three distinct meanings: * Tautology (logic), a statement true by virtue of its logical form. * Tautology (rhetoric), undesirable use of redundant language that adds no information. * Truism, an assertion that is so obvious as to add nothing to a discussion. Unfortunately your last post was not meant to happen. Sorry. ;-) While I find your comment funny, it brings up a deeper point in the free will discssion. Meant to happen, meant to be implies or are at least parallel to assumptions revolving around: A) a Grand or Divine Plan B) a singular determined, fixed, static end-state for the universe -- that is, the last frame of the film has already been writtne, casted and filmed. C) a quite anthropormorphic view of God or Nature as an intesely micro-managing bureaucrat, manageing against a firm, irrevocable, unchangeable '10 Billion Year Plan' D) a singualar correct action in any circumstance. In contrast, MMY has described, echoing many others, the nature of life, the nature of the universe, the characteristics of Nature, the hard-wired rules of the universe, are: 1) to change towards more complex states (evolve) 2) to seek greater happiness A-D are not at all necessary for 1-2. 1-2 imply everything is self-optimizing to seek greater happiness as it defines it, and as it understands how to get there. Seeking happiness is a self-correcting (adaptive and learning) heuristic of everything in life -- from bugs to humans to whatever. Consequently: To say some specific thing should or was supposed to happen in this context is ludicrious. Things happen, as everything tests the limits and boundaries of their existence to gain greater happiness. And everything learns in the process. To say some specific thing was against the laws of nature in this context is ludicrious. Things happen, as everything tests the limits and boundaries of their existence to gain greater happiness. There are limits on understanding i) what yields greater happiness in the short vs long run, and ii) how to achieve such. But these are limitations, progressively overcome with adaptive learning at every step. To say some specific thing should have happened because it happened or more boldly something is perfect because 'it happened' is a bit of a tautology, but consistent with the breader view that 'everything is good' because things happen, as everything tests the limits and boundaries of their existence to gain greater happiness. Any limitations are progressively overcome with adaptive learning at every step. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hik1AB/bOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] SSRS: 20 million?
On Jun 20, 2006, at 3:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:And he only charges about 250.00 to learn his techniques and will accept what you can afford if you have a problem with the course fee. He has no shortage of people learning either. He has TM teachers teach his meditation which I understand is TM+ an advanced technique.That's my understanding as well. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: In discussing this with Tom Traynor, he wrapped it up perfectly: Things happen exactly as they should. Why? Because that's the way they happened. Though meaningful perhaps via some other understandings or knowledge, by itself, the quote is hard to distinguish from a tautology. And then there's always this old chestnut: Q: Maharishi, if everything is perfect just as it is, why are we working so hard to change things? A: That too is perfect just as it is. While that too is a tautology as it stands, in a broader context it is a valuable insight and knowledge. And if truely understood, explains why absolute no-free will due to all decisions being based on past causes is no excuse for dropping responsibility for actions. Per responsibility, we all deeply learning behaviors of learning, adaptation and optimizating values (projected outcomes) of any action to derive maximum happiness. And part of learning behaviors include learning that actions have consequences that can either increase or decrease happiness. Taking responsibility is not so much the issue. Responsibility takes us. The result of actions find us. We learn from such. Do more if action yields greater happiness, do less if action yields less happiness. (Do nothing if non-action produces greatest happpiness.) And the same reasons, per above, explain why MMY's quote, if truly understood, clarifies why absolute no-free will due to all decisions being based on past causes does not cause lethargic, do nothing nililism. The latter may be a happiness strategy being tested by some, but over time it is learned that it is not as effective as other strategies, and one moves one. Who would ever say Bangalore today is a lethargic backwater due to Indian cultural beliefs that nothing can or should be done -- one should sit and totally take it as it come, all outcomes are all singularly and absolutely already mapped out. Related points in: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/102232?l=1 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/102235?l=1 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Backward causation through time.: MMY and Hawking.
Going deeper within is the same as going earlier in one's experience as experiences seem to layer. It may be that before transcendence one is experiencing before their current life or even before the life of the universe. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Unlike the MMY/Hagelin/Chopra Unified Field hypothesis which any reputable physicist with half a brain would find laughable; MMY has come up with a very brilliant (one among many, since I'm not - per se - a MMY basher, or Pope basher for that matter) idea/observation regarding the nature of time, which I've been reflecting upon since I first heard MMY talk about it, at Humboldt '70: that the future casts a shadow into the past (or were his words, present?). After decades, this concept has now found some support in a theory of Stephen Hawking's; in essence, that the future does cast a shadow into the past (if you will, our present, or into our past); through causes and effects. Here's the first few paragraphs: Exploring Stephen Hawking's Flexiverse 20 April 2006 Amanda Gefter Magazine issue 2548 HERE'S how to build a universe. Step one: start at the beginning of time. Step two: apply the laws of physics. Step three: sit back and watch the universe evolve. Step four: cross your fingers and hope that it comes out looking something like the one we live in. That's the basic prescription for cosmology, the one physicists use to decipher the history of the universe. But according to Stephen Hawking of the University of Cambridge and Thomas Hertog of the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN), the steps are all backward. According to these physicists, there is no history of the universe. There is no immutable past, no 13.7 billion years of evolution for cosmologists to retrace. Instead, there are many possible histories, and the universe has lived them all. And if that's not strange enough, you and I get to play a role in determining the universe's history. ... [again my apologies, left that issue at home...; and I'll try to get my password to copy the entire article]. The complete article is 3055 words long. [but Hawking's hypothesis IMO opens up a can of worms, since he doesn't elucidate on the nature of WHICH causes can generate the most profound effects, in terms of backward causation]. Various sci-fi authors have touched upon the themes of time-travel and backward causation; for example, Philip Dick and Isaac Asimov; and it's a tempting notion to speculate on killing Hitler just at the right time...perhaps when he was on route to the Munich Beer Hall, or how about at conception, or birth? An Outer Limits featured the story of a young woman in possession of the time travel Sidhi, who attempted to travel back in time, procure a job as a Nanny in the Hitler family, and kill the infant Adolph. She grabbed the baby and the risk of her own life, quickly ran to a bridge crossing a river, and threw the baby Adolph into the water, drowning him. Mission accompalished, right? Hope...sorry; as fate turned out, the Hitler Mom and Dad had another child, who turned out to be another parallel world Adolph with a different name but fulfilling the same role. In a Star Trek featuring Capt. Picard (the Patrick Steward character), Q - a demigod-like character with enormous supernatural powers - asks the Capt. if he would like to go into his past and change anything. Picard says yes, especially the incident when as a young Lt, he was at a station visited by various races, among them the Nothigans; a notoriously vicious bunch of rowdies not even the Kling-Ons would mess with. As fate would have it, Picard got into a fight with a group of Nothigans; and while out-fisting a few of them, got done-in by one who stabbed him in the heart. He had to have a heart transplant as a result; a fate Picard wished never occurred. Q set up a retrial of that part of Picard's past, in which he never had the fight with the Nothigans. But as a further consequence, Picard had a much more timid personality and never rose above the rank of Lt. Q's lesson: think twice before messing with the past. an alternative past may turn out worse than the real past. --- End forwarded message --- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your
Re: [FairfieldLife] SSRS: 20 million?
One reason SSRS's Art of Living is so successful is that he sets a very natural, open and authentic example. I've encounterd, essentially, very little mood-making from people in the Art of Living. You find none of the nonsense that you find with MMY and the TMO. This combined with his rather powerful darshan and inexpensive meditation and kriya techniques along with his humanitarian efforts make for a, gee, a real spiritual movement! What a concept! --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/iDk17A/hOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Your favorite religious organization? Make a donation at Network for Good. http://us.click.yahoo.com/EOl1HB/LPaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] SSRS: 20 million?
Vaj wrote: On Jun 20, 2006, at 3:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And he only charges about 250.00 to learn his techniques and will accept what you can afford if you have a problem with the course fee. He has no shortage of people learning either. He has TM teachers teach his meditation which I understand is TM+ an advanced technique. That's my understanding as well. What is TM+ and do people feel they get good results from it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Your favorite religious organization? Make a donation at Network for Good. http://us.click.yahoo.com/EOl1HB/LPaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] SSRS: 20 million?
On Jun 20, 2006, at 4:29 PM, Bhairitu wrote:Vaj wrote: On Jun 20, 2006, at 3:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And he only charges about 250.00 to learn his techniques and will accept what you can afford if you have a problem with the course fee. He has no shortage of people learning either. He has TM teachers teach his meditation which I understand is TM+ an advanced technique.That's my understanding as well. What is TM+ and do people feel they get good results from it? TM + one of the advanced techniques.I've not heard anything bad--with a purification practice that goes along with it, I'd guess same or better. Some TMers try to boohoo the Sudarshan kriya but those I've spoken to personally with TM background who use it speak very favorably. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
Jody at http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ has an entirely different perspective on SSRS. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One reason SSRS's Art of Living is so successful is that he sets a very natural, open and authentic example. I've encounterd, essentially, very little mood-making from people in the Art of Living. You find none of the nonsense that you find with MMY and the TMO. This combined with his rather powerful darshan and inexpensive meditation and kriya techniques along with his humanitarian efforts make for a, gee, a real spiritual movement! What a concept! --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/iDk17A/hOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/mDk17A/lOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jody at http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ has an entirely different perspective on SSRS. Gosh, you mean Sri Sri *isn't* MMY with all the mistakes taken out? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/iDk17A/hOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] SSRS: 20 million?
In a message dated 6/20/06 4:04:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Jun 20, 2006, at 4:29 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Vaj wrote: On Jun 20, 2006, at 3:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And he only charges about 250.00 to learn his techniques and will accept what you can afford if you have a problem with the course fee. He has no shortage of people learning either. He has TM teachers teach his meditation which I understand is TM+ an advanced technique. That's my understanding as well. What is TM+ and do people feel they get good results from it? TM + one of the advanced techniques. I've not heard anything bad--with a purification practice that goes along with it, I'd guess same or better. Some TMers try to boohoo the Sudarshan kriya but those I've spoken to personally with TM background who use it speak very favorably. A TM teacher friend that knew several people that also did Sudarshana Kriya, said that Triguna used to remark how the people that did that kriyahad such an abundance of prana. Supposedly it also made TM and Sidhi practice much more powerful, more energy. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] SSRS: 20 million?
In a message dated 6/20/06 4:00:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Vaj wrote: On Jun 20, 2006, at 3:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: And he only charges about 250.00 to learn his techniques and will accept what you can afford if you have a problem with the course fee. He has no shortage of people learning either. He has TM teachers teach his meditation which I understand is TM+ an advanced technique. That's my understanding as well.What is TM+ and do people feel they get good results from it? I've spoken to only a few people associated with SSRS and they seem to be very happy with the knowledge they get. I have heard, and I can't vouch for this that SSRS uses TM teachers who do Puja to Guru Dev and teach TM as it is taught in India which includes one advanced technique. But this is taught only after one has learned the Sudarshana Kriya. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
While I have no real qualms with SSRS himself, his organization, at least when I was involved (which was only for a little over a year in the 90s), almost made the TMO look good--and that ain't easy. On the first course I took, without telling us before hand, they made the announcement at the first meeting that we would all be on a fruit diet, for the entire course--6 days. Not only was that a dirty trick (IMO of course--perhaps others liked it) but couldn't that possibly affect someone's health, if they were diabetic, or had digestive problems? To make matters worse, I and a number of others were housed in the building adjacent to his...with the lovely smell of delicious Indian food wafting over 3 times daily. Try fasting with **that** happening. Anyway, of course we cheated--why not, he was--and went into town where I and a few others had at least a couple of decent meals. But we sure didn't appreciate having to shell out yet more $$ after having paid for room and board for the course...the worst part being, IMO, that nobody had bothered to tell us beforehand--a deliberate omission, because they were afraid nobody would come otherwise? Who knows. Then there were the meetings themselves, at which any number of people would be fighting with each other--literally--to sit as close to the front as possible. The second course, the one in Pittsburgh, was another classic Oops, they did it again... scenario. This one was so bad it would make a great plot for a movie where nothing goes right. It wasn't enough that they put all of us into smoking rooms--so when you turned on the heat (it was February) you got blasted with enough cigarette smoke to choke an elephant--they then pulled Trick #2. Into tiny rooms in which we barely had enough space to walk, those of us on the long part of the course (6 days) then had to share whatever microscopic amount of free space was left with the 2-day course participants--I doubt they knew that was going to happen, and I know we didn't. Add to that that there were a couple of TM vagrants who hadn't registered and were staying at the hotel illegally, seriously ticking off the management, and you have the makings for, possibly, the Worst Course Ever. I have no idea how much of all of this SSRS knew about, but it was his organization and he does bear some of the responsibility. On a personal level, I felt he was much warmer and more approachable than MMY. But after those two disasters, I pretty much gave up on all of them. Sal On Jun 20, 2006, at 4:26 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jody at http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ has an entirely different perspective on SSRS. Gosh, you mean Sri Sri *isn't* MMY with all the mistakes taken out?
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Bush Policy In Iraq/Based on 'Mindwar'...'
And isn't this all at the behest of the Illuminati, the Bildenberg
Group or the richest 1% of the population who view the rest of us as
useless eaters? Isn't it time the human race wake up to this game
and take back the world from? After all we way outnumber them.
Robert Gimbel wrote:
It has become obvious that the Bush Iraq Policy is
based on a CIA brief,written in 1980, called
'Mindwar'. One of the authors of 'Mindwar' is a known
Satanist.
Mindwar basically has three aspects:
1. using brainwashing techniques, of repeating the
same message over and over again. ('stay the course',
for example).
2. using the notion that it is impossible to win
against the all-powerful U.S. forces.
3. using stressors on the population to weaken their
will over time, through various methods.
These methods are also used on the domestic
population, in the U.S. as well. (which is causing
many to doubt anything that comes out of Bush
Administration's mouth).
R.Gimbel New York, NY
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Re: [FairfieldLife] SSRS: 20 million?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? Waay more. He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! So where's the research on his meditation technique? Way to go Ravi! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Your favorite religious organization? Make a donation at Network for Good. http://us.click.yahoo.com/EOl1HB/LPaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 20, 2006, at 3:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And he only charges about 250.00 to learn his techniques and will accept what you can afford if you have a problem with the course fee. He has no shortage of people learning either. He has TM teachers teach his meditation which I understand is TM+ an advanced technique. That's my understanding as well. He identifies MMY as his master, does he not? Does he have them do a puja to MMY? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jody at http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ has an entirely different perspective on SSRS. One of the comments on this sounds just like the people complaining about MMY and the TMO: ontheotherhand said... How funny that one of angriest people I've ever met (SSRS) would preach to these people on anger and irritation affecting their actions. I can't even enumerate the numbers of times I've seen his anger/irritation cause is actions to be irrational at best, and harmful to others at worst. He is such a hypocrite, it boggles the mind to think that others are not seeing through him. Those who are close enough are finished off in that their lives are over in the world -- he took it all away -- career, money, name, etc., so they can't really argue with him anymore or contradict him. I mean, what does a former district attorney from LA who gave up her career for him do after following him around for 15 years, having thrown away her education and career for him? She has to simply agree, and go around and teach his BS happily I suppose. And a former Prince of Kerala? (I'm not kidding.) So he got a title of Rishi or Swami from SSRS. That's the least he could do for the poor guy who was brainwashed into leaving his life for this mission. Peace prize? We don't think the rest of the world will be fooled by him. Intellectuals giving out this prize frown on people like SSRS who routinely post lies about his past, creating fantastic stories about his earning an advanced degree in Physics, etc. (see Wikipedia), when the man never even completed one year of college. I'm tired of this guy. I hope he goes away soon. Maybe he could go to the mountains and do some sadana and get enlightened. That would be nice for the world. That would create much more peace than the group of bickering mental cases running around him. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] SSRS: 20 million?
Vaj wrote: On Jun 20, 2006, at 4:29 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Vaj wrote: On Jun 20, 2006, at 3:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And he only charges about 250.00 to learn his techniques and will accept what you can afford if you have a problem with the course fee. He has no shortage of people learning either. He has TM teachers teach his meditation which I understand is TM+ an advanced technique. That's my understanding as well. What is TM+ and do people feel they get good results from it? TM + one of the advanced techniques. I've not heard anything bad--with a purification practice that goes along with it, I'd guess same or better. Some TMers try to boohoo the Sudarshan kriya but those I've spoken to personally with TM background who use it speak very favorably. I'm wondering of course if there is still the same percentage of roughness cases (meditation psychosis) as with TM? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
Funky! Sal Sunshine wrote: While I have no real qualms with SSRS himself, his organization, at least when I was involved (which was only for a little over a year in the 90s), almost made the TMO look good--and that ain't easy. On the first course I took, without telling us before hand, they made the announcement at the first meeting that we would all be on a fruit diet, for the entire course--6 days. Not only was that a dirty trick (IMO of course--perhaps others liked it) but couldn't that possibly affect someone's health, if they were diabetic, or had digestive problems? To make matters worse, I and a number of others were housed in the building adjacent to his...with the lovely smell of delicious Indian food wafting over 3 times daily. Try fasting with **that** happening. Anyway, of course we cheated--why not, he was--and went into town where I and a few others had at least a couple of decent meals. But we sure didn't appreciate having to shell out yet more $$ after having paid for room and board for the course...the worst part being, IMO, that nobody had bothered to tell us beforehand--a deliberate omission, because they were afraid nobody would come otherwise? Who knows. Then there were the meetings themselves, at which any number of people would be fighting with each other--literally--to sit as close to the front as possible. The second course, the one in Pittsburgh, was another classic Oops, they did it again... scenario. This one was so bad it would make a great plot for a movie where nothing goes right. It wasn't enough that they put all of us into smoking rooms--so when you turned on the heat (it was February) you got blasted with enough cigarette smoke to choke an elephant--they then pulled Trick #2. Into tiny rooms in which we barely had enough space to walk, those of us on the long part of the course (6 days) then had to share whatever microscopic amount of free space was left with the 2-day course participants--I doubt they knew that was going to happen, and I know we didn't. Add to that that there were a couple of TM vagrants who hadn't registered and were staying at the hotel illegally, seriously ticking off the management, and you have the makings for, possibly, the Worst Course Ever. I have no idea how much of all of this SSRS knew about, but it was his organization and he does bear some of the responsibility. On a personal level, I felt he was much warmer and more approachable than MMY. But after those two disasters, I pretty much gave up on all of them. Sal On Jun 20, 2006, at 4:26 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jody at http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ has an entirely different perspective on SSRS. Gosh, you mean Sri Sri *isn't* MMY with all the mistakes taken out? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Your favorite religious organization? Make a donation at Network for Good. http://us.click.yahoo.com/EOl1HB/LPaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The party of retreat and defeat
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp, you can't seriously believe that these captured documents are anything other than fakes cooked up by the US psy-ops boys to fool the American public into believing that we are winning this war. It's the biggest fake since that video tape in whichbin Laden (who didn't even look like bin Laden) talked about 9/11 and how he had planned it. Personally, I believe that bin Laden WAS involved in 9/11, but as a friend of mine pointed out a few days after that tape originally surfaced, the longer it takes for the US to release the tape for independent verification, the more likely it is that its a fake. How many YEARS has it been since that tape was first shown? And there is STILL no independent verification of it. That's unheard of. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hik1AB/bOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Jody at http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ has an entirely different perspective on SSRS. Gosh, you mean Sri Sri *isn't* MMY with all the mistakes taken out? He's his own man with his own mistakes, obviously. People seem to forget that its EASY being a saint when you live in a cave. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hik1AB/bOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi! BTW, where is the independent Indian newspaper coverageof this 2.5 million person meditation. Even by Hindu standards, that's a HUGE gathering of people. And, unless most of them are from Bangalore, that's a HUGE strain on the local infrastructure. How many broken sewer lines? How many new turds floating in the street's open sewers, etc? Where did the water come from? The food? The parking? The housing? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
In a message dated 6/20/06 5:21:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It wasn't enough that they put all of us into smoking rooms--so when you turned on the heat (it was February) you got blasted with enough cigarette smoke to choke an elephant--they then pulled Trick I had this exact same problem on my Sidhi Flying course. Smoker room in DC and got bronchitis and was generally miserable and coughing the whole time. Coughing so much I couldn't settle in Meditation. I left DC with a fever. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/20/06 4:00:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Vaj wrote: On Jun 20, 2006, at 3:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: And he only charges about 250.00 to learn his techniques and will accept what you can afford if you have a problem with the course fee. He has no shortage of people learning either. He has TM teachers teach his meditation which I understand is TM+ an advanced technique. That's my understanding as well. What is TM+ and do people feel they get good results from it? I've spoken to only a few people associated with SSRS and they seem to be very happy with the knowledge they get. I have heard, and I can't vouch for this that SSRS uses TM teachers who do Puja to Guru Dev and teach TM as it is taught in India which includes one advanced technique. But this is taught only after one has learned the Sudarshana Kriya. So SSRS only uses meditation teachers who have pledged to only teach TM under the auspices of the TMO and he reveres MMY has his teacher? Something off here. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hik1AB/bOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
In a message dated 6/20/06 6:57:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi!BTW, where is the independent Indian newspaper coverageof this 2.5 million person meditation. Even by Hindu standards, that's a HUGE gathering of people. And, unless most of them are from Bangalore, that's a HUGE strain on the local infrastructure. How many broken sewer lines? How many new turds floating in the street's open sewers, etc? Where did the water come from? The food? The parking? The housing? Some AOL people from Houston told me thatpeople went there from all over the world and they had been aware of planning for months. But I would imagine the overwhelming majority were Indian and living close to Bangalore. It would be interesting to know how everybody was accomadated. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
In a message dated 6/20/06 6:08:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He identifies MMY as his master, does he not? Does he have them do a puja to MMY? Very much so. He has the initiators do the same Puja they were trained to do. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The party of retreat and defeat
Terror maven Richard Clarke doubts the New York subway plot described in a recently released book is true. Then we have the interesting intersection of the government doing a drill this week and the announcement of the N. Korea long range missile test. Keep your eyes wide open unless you start to see a flash feste37 wrote: Tinfoil-hattery? That's a new one for me. That video of bin Laden just happened to have been left lying around in a house in Afghanistan and the US just happened to find it . . . yeah, right. My motto for the day is: Never underestimate the mendacity of our government, especially when it comes to war. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Shemp, you can't seriously believe that these captured documents are anything other than fakes cooked up by the US psy-ops boys to fool the American public into believing that we are winning this war. They were more likely cooked up by certain people in the Iraqi government (although our government is happy to run with them despite knowing they're most likely fake). It's the biggest fake since that video tape in whichbin Laden (who didn't even look like bin Laden) talked about 9/11 and how he had planned it. Oh, please, this, on the other hand, is tinfoil-hattery. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The Party of Retreat and Defeat By Peter Collier and David Horowitz FrontPageMagazine.com | June 19, 2006 snip In large part, in fact, their insensate hatred of Bush is hatred for what this war embodies: America taking up arms against a sea of troubles as turbulent as any it has faced before; America bringing freedom to the heartland of terror. Yeah, right, Democrats hate freedom. Could you be just a *little* more absurd, please, Collier and Horowitz? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/mDk17A/lOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Happy Birthday Jim Flanegin
Rick Archer wrote: Today¹s the day! Jim's birthday party is the party of retreat and defeat? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/mDk17A/lOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
In a message dated 6/20/06 7:09:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So SSRS only uses meditation teachers who have pledged to only teach TM under the auspices of the TMO and he reveres MMY has his teacher?Something "off" here. Maybe not, he doesn't call it Transcendental Meditation. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday Jim Flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: Today's the day! Many happy returns. Or not, if we're talking reincarnation and you'd rather not... :-) Thanks!! I AM enjoying my birthday in one of our many heavens here on earth, Santa Barbara. And visited Hearst Castle earlier today- another heaven on earth. As to reincarnating here, or not...I'll cross that bridge when I come to it- Ha-Ha! Wishing everybody very very well! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday Jim Flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today¹s the day! Thank You, Rik Archer! Oooops did I misspell that again?! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/iDk17A/hOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/20/06 6:08:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He identifies MMY as his master, does he not? Does he have them do a puja to MMY? Very much so. He has the initiators do the same Puja they were trained to do. Sometimes I think I've wandered into a new TV show: The TM Zone... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote: To Be Free will only cost you every concept and belief you hold to be true. Will. It will happen just wait. Last summer I reflected back on how perfectly engineered my life appeared to be such that I was still alive and healthy today. But, a day or two later, it occurred to me that I was making a judgment call: who's to say my life wouldn't have been just as perfect if I'd died 20 years ago? In discussing this with Tom Traynor, he wrapped it up perfectly: Things happen exactly as they should. Why? Because that's the way they happened. That just kills me. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hik1AB/bOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
It seemed especially ironic that this occurred during a course that emphasized a breathing technique. Sal On Jun 20, 2006, at 7:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/20/06 5:21:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: x-tad-smallerIt wasn't enough that /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerthey put all of us into smoking rooms--so when you turned on the heat /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller(it was February) you got blasted with enough cigarette smoke to choke /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smalleran elephant--they then pulled Trick/x-tad-smaller x-tad-biggerI had this exact same problem on my Sidhi Flying course. Smoker room in DC and got bronchitis and was generally miserable and coughing the whole time. Coughing so much I couldn't settle in Meditation. I left DC with a fever./x-tad-bigger __._,_.___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The party of retreat and defeat
In a message dated 6/20/06 7:31:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Terror maven Richard Clarke doubts the New York subway plot described in a recently released book is true. What would he know? This was supposedly to happen in 2003. Where was Richard Clarke then, definitely not on duty in the White House. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
On Jun 20, 2006, at 7:24 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi!BTW, where is the independent Indian newspaper coverageof this 2.5 million person meditation. Even by Hindu standards, that's a HUGE gathering of people. And, unless most of them are from Bangalore, that's a HUGE strain on the local infrastructure. How many broken sewer lines? How many new turds floating in the street's open sewers, etc? Where did the water come from? The food? The parking? The housing? The WIE article has details. There's lot of stuff you don't see--like him sending delegations volatile Kashmir, etc. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] The party of retreat and defeat
Lot's of holes here McGoo: shempmcgurk wrote: The Party of Retreat and Defeat By Peter Collier and David Horowitz FrontPageMagazine.com | June 19, 2006 As the fall elections approach, the Democrats have formally unveiled their platform for the war in Iraq: snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. At the very moment that documents captured from the Zarqawi death site indicate that Al Qaeda feels it is losing its war against the Iraqi future and has become so desperate that its only hope to prevail is by embroiling the U.S. in war with Iran; at the very moment Iraq's democratically elected government is establishing itself as a functioning regime, and its increasingly capable military becomes more successfully engaged against the insurgents — at this critical moment for the future of Iraq and the Middle East, more than three quarters of the House Democrats have voted against a resolution to complete the mission. You might want to read the embassy dispatch that is circulating on the Internet as a PDF. It certainly does not paint a picture of a functioning regime. For the first time in American history, a major political party wants America to run from a war we are winning. I dispute that we are winning. We have come to an historic juncture. It is not mere perversity or jockeying for position before the fall elections that makes the Democrats refuse to take yes for an answer on this war to liberate a Muslim people, break the hold of bloodlust and authoritarianism in the most benighted region of the world, and defeat terror on its central front. Nor is the Democrats' choice of capitulation simply a reflex— like so many other positions they hold—of their pathological hatred of George Bush. In large part, in fact, their insensate hatred of Bush is hatred for what this war embodies: America taking up arms against a sea of troubles as turbulent as any it has faced before; America bringing freedom to the heartland of terror. But this is a war about gaining control of the oil fields of Iraq not about bringing freedom to the heartland of terror. The writers been smoking too much hashish if he believes that propagandist malarky. That George Bush believes America can act unapologetically, without the quaking guilt his critics are convinced stains its history, is why the Democrats hate Bush. No, how about the 3 trillion dollar debt he's racked up? Anyone should hate him for that. It is all the Democratic Party can do to keep from publicly embracing the assertion of the hard left as to why were are in Iraq: Blood for Oil! And the Democrats most certainly agree, with the malicious assertion of Michael Moore, although they are unwilling to repeat it in so many words, that the Iraqi insurgents are fighting an occupying power and are therefore the moral equivalent of America's Minutemen. We would do the same if say the Chinese invaded the US. Well, maybe, the Chinese would be wise to put an American Idol marathon on all the networks and then they would have no opposition. Democrat leaders would have us believe that their present defeatism, which they labor cynically to present as statecraft, is a rueful acknowledgement of facts on the ground in Iraq. They wanted the U.S. to succeed, but because of Bush's bellicose mendacity they were forced to reconsider their support. Yet Nancy Pelosi, the Woman Who Would be Speaker, attacked the war on April 13, 2003, the day Americxan troops pulled down the statue to Saddam Hussein. It was but two months before the entire Democratic leadership was attacking the President for lying about Saddam's effort to buy fissionable uranium in Niger. The war against the war had begun even in the first flush of success. Within a few months, Ted Kennedy was claiming, The president's war is revealed as mindless, needless, senseless and reckless. And indeed Kennedy is correct. Given such views as these—the Democrats' version of bedrock principles—the difficulties the U.S. has experienced in Iraq have been for them a wish fulfilling fantasy. Their present position— America was foredoomed to fail—is just one short step away from Noam Chomsky's position—America had it coming. And America does have it coming now. I'll put a big banner on my house in several languages: Don't blame me, I didn't vote for Bush. And the result of these attitudes can be seen in the way the Democrats and their media allies have conducted themselves throughout. For the Bush administration and the coalition troops in Iraq the battles have been for Baghdad, Fallujah, Mosul and Basra, all engagements with the enemy in the field. For the Democrats and their media allies it has been Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, Haditha and Niger, all behind-the-lines battles against our troops and their commander-in-chief. For the Bush administration the chief prize has been Zarqawi, the beheader himself. For the Democrats it has
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 20, 2006, at 7:24 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi! BTW, where is the independent Indian newspaper coverageof this 2.5 million person meditation. Even by Hindu standards, that's a HUGE gathering of people. And, unless most of them are from Bangalore, that's a HUGE strain on the local infrastructure. How many broken sewer lines? How many new turds floating in the street's open sewers, etc? Where did the water come from? The food? The parking? The housing? The WIE article has details. There's lot of stuff you don't see--like him sending delegations volatile Kashmir, etc. The WIE has details provided by him and his people. Where's the independent articles? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/iDk17A/hOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: In discussing this with Tom Traynor, he wrapped it up perfectly: Things happen exactly as they should. Why? Because that's the way they happened. Though meaningful perhaps via some other understandings or knowledge, by itself, the quote is hard to distinguish from a tautology. Tautology has at least three distinct meanings: * Tautology (logic), a statement true by virtue of its logical form. * Tautology (rhetoric), undesirable use of redundant language that adds no information. * Truism, an assertion that is so obvious as to add nothing to a discussion. MMY: When you are in Unity Consciousness, you see that everything happens exactly as it should. Chopra: But Maharishi, if that is the case, why are we working so hard to create Heaven on Earth? MMY: That's exactly as it should be also, and its a lot of fun! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
On Jun 20, 2006, at 7:05 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? Waay more.Yep, thought so--must be increasing charm... He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! So where's the research on his meditation technique?Use to be on the AoL site, but there is not as much an emphasis on scientific PR that I see in his movement.In terms of technical and practical reasons, SSRS's sadhanas are a step up from TM--perhaps we should look at it as an evolving lineage coming from SBS and M. and the old technique (of TM) improving (interestingly through the yogic cognition of SSRS, who cognized the Sudarshan kriya). It's certainly clear (comparing the two) which one nature's supporting and which one is fadin' away...Interesting comments by Trigunaji too, love it. Way to go Ravi! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] SSRS: 20 million?
--- Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj wrote: On Jun 20, 2006, at 4:29 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Vaj wrote: On Jun 20, 2006, at 3:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And he only charges about 250.00 to learn his techniques and will accept what you can afford if you have a problem with the course fee. He has no shortage of people learning either. He has TM teachers teach his meditation which I understand is TM+ an advanced technique. That's my understanding as well. What is TM+ and do people feel they get good results from it? TM + one of the advanced techniques. I've not heard anything bad--with a purification practice that goes along with it, I'd guess same or better. Some TMers try to boohoo the Sudarshan kriya but those I've spoken to personally with TM background who use it speak very favorably. I'm wondering of course if there is still the same percentage of roughness cases (meditation psychosis) as with TM? In my experience, no. I think this is because SSRS puts the emphasis on the Sudarshan Kriya technique over meditation for most people. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/mDk17A/lOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 6/20/06 6:08:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sparaig@ writes: He identifies MMY as his master, does he not? Does he have them do a puja to MMY? Very much so. He has the initiators do the same Puja they were trained to do. Sometimes I think I've wandered into a new TV show: The TM Zone... Just make sure it faces the right way ... :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday Jim Flanegin
Happy Birthday, Jim! --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: Today's the day! Many happy returns. Or not, if we're talking reincarnation and you'd rather not... :-) Thanks!! I AM enjoying my birthday in one of our many heavens here on earth, Santa Barbara. And visited Hearst Castle earlier today- another heaven on earth. As to reincarnating here, or not...I'll cross that bridge when I come to it- Ha-Ha! Wishing everybody very very well! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] article on SSRS Sudarshan as I experienced it.
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[FairfieldLife] Jesus: 1 billion
Stop the pissing contest. So what if SSRS has 20 million? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hik1AB/bOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I have no real qualms with SSRS himself, his organization, at least when I was involved (which was only for a little over a year in the 90s), almost made the TMO look good--and that ain't easy. On the first course I took, without telling us before hand, they made the announcement at the first meeting that we would all be on a fruit diet, for the entire course--6 days. Not only was that a dirty trick (IMO of course--perhaps others liked it) but couldn't that possibly affect someone's health, if they were diabetic, or had digestive problems? To make matters worse, I and a number of others were housed in the building adjacent to his...with the lovely smell of delicious Indian food wafting over 3 times daily. Try fasting with **that** happening. Anyway, of course we cheated--why not, he was--and went into town where I and a few others had at least a couple of decent meals. But we sure didn't appreciate having to shell out yet more $$ after having paid for room and board for the course...the worst part being, IMO, that nobody had bothered to tell us beforehand--a deliberate omission, because they were afraid nobody would come otherwise? Who knows. Then there were the meetings themselves, at which any number of people would be fighting with each other--literally--to sit as close to the front as possible. The second course, the one in Pittsburgh, was another classic Oops, they did it again... scenario. This one was so bad it would make a great plot for a movie where nothing goes right. It wasn't enough that they put all of us into smoking rooms--so when you turned on the heat (it was February) you got blasted with enough cigarette smoke to choke an elephant--they then pulled Trick #2. Into tiny rooms in which we barely had enough space to walk, those of us on the long part of the course (6 days) then had to share whatever microscopic amount of free space was left with the 2-day course participants--I doubt they knew that was going to happen, and I know we didn't. Add to that that there were a couple of TM vagrants who hadn't registered and were staying at the hotel illegally, seriously ticking off the management, and you have the makings for, possibly, the Worst Course Ever. I have no idea how much of all of this SSRS knew about, but it was his organization and he does bear some of the responsibility. On a personal level, I felt he was much warmer and more approachable than MMY. But after those two disasters, I pretty much gave up on all of them. Sal Perhaps you should try Jesus...or masturbation. On Jun 20, 2006, at 4:26 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Jody at http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ has an entirely different perspective on SSRS. Gosh, you mean Sri Sri *isn't* MMY with all the mistakes taken out? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Your favorite religious organization? Make a donation at Network for Good. http://us.click.yahoo.com/EOl1HB/LPaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi! Did you know that Norah Jones is his illegitimate daughter? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Your favorite religious organization? Make a donation at Network for Good. http://us.click.yahoo.com/EOl1HB/LPaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Jody at http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ has an entirely different perspective on SSRS. Gosh, you mean Sri Sri *isn't* MMY with all the mistakes taken out? He's his own man with his own mistakes, obviously. People seem to forget that its EASY being a saint when you live in a cave. My mother always said I was a saint and I never lived in a cave. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] hi, i'm john gray ...
FYI: found this free Johnny Gray online video seminar: Hi, I'm John Gray, your Better Life Relationships Coach http://coaches.aol.com/love-and-sex/john-gray/relationships his Venus and Mars stuff!! sounds good Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi! BTW, where is the independent Indian newspaper coverageof this 2.5 million person meditation. Even by Hindu standards, that's a HUGE gathering of people. No it's not. That many fetuses are aborted in India on a long weekend. And, unless most of them are from Bangalore, that's a HUGE strain on the local infrastructure. How many broken sewer lines? How many new turds floating in the street's open sewers, etc? Where did the water come from? The food? The parking? The housing? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/mDk17A/lOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/20/06 5:21:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It wasn't enough that they put all of us into smoking rooms--so when you turned on the heat (it was February) you got blasted with enough cigarette smoke to choke an elephant--they then pulled Trick I had this exact same problem on my Sidhi Flying course. Smoker room in DC and got bronchitis and was generally miserable and coughing the whole time. Coughing so much I couldn't settle in Meditation. I left DC with a fever. Yeah, but at least you left with that satisfying taste that only a Winston can provide. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/20/06 6:57:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi! BTW, where is the independent Indian newspaper coverageof this 2.5 million person meditation. Even by Hindu standards, that's a HUGE gathering of people. And, unless most of them are from Bangalore, that's a HUGE strain on the local infrastructure. How many broken sewer lines? How many new turds floating in the street's open sewers, etc? Where did the water come from? The food? The parking? The housing? Some AOL people from Houston told me that people went there from all over the world and they had been aware of planning for months. But I would imagine the overwhelming majority were Indian and living close to Bangalore. It would be interesting to know how everybody was accomadated. Nobody from Compuserve or Netzero? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/20/06 7:09:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So SSRS only uses meditation teachers who have pledged to only teach TM under the auspices of the TMO and he reveres MMY has his teacher? Something off here. Maybe not, he doesn't call it Transcendental Meditation. ...then we are satisfied... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/mDk17A/lOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 6/20/06 6:08:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sparaig@ writes: He identifies MMY as his master, does he not? Does he have them do a puja to MMY? Very much so. He has the initiators do the same Puja they were trained to do. Sometimes I think I've wandered into a new TV show: The TM Zone... No, you've pretty much been there the past 3 years... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi! Did you know that Norah Jones is his illegitimate daughter? No, she's the sitarist's daughter. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi! Did you know that Norah Jones is his illegitimate daughter? No, she's the sitarist's daughter. Oh. Never mind. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/mDk17A/lOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Gita in Google
Title: Gita in Google If you use google as your explorer home page you can personalize it (upper left corner) and one of the choices is a daily posted passage quote from the Bhagavad Gita (upper left corner add content keep advancing to the last choice)! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
