[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 8/25/06 9:06 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> >> > I've been investigating a little further.
> >> > 
> >> > This is just hilarious, and mind-boggling.
> >> > 
> >> > There's a long-running fight, it seems, between
> >> > the people who think the circles aren't manmade
> >> > and the guys who claim to have made them.  The
> >> > former are insisting that the claims that they're
> >> > all manmade is the hoax.
> 
> This reminds me of the Bill Witherspoon story. About 16 
> years ago, Bill and some Fairfield friends carved a huge 
> yantra in the Oregon desert. It was discovered by some 
> military jets flying over and the media picked up story.
> Some of the UFO community went nuts over it, believing 
> it was carved by aliens. They refuse to this day to 
> believe that Bill and his friends made it. See 
> http://www.oregonuforeview.com/oregondesert.html

It reminded me of recent discussions here of 
the CIA snooping on the TMO. Even those who
are no longer *part* of the TMO prefer to
continue believing that they were so important
that the CIA was eavesdropping on their daily
activities or planning "hits" against their
leaders. In all cases, it seems to me to be
to embody the "suppressed boredom" factor I 
talked about in my post about Mark Morford's
article. When people's lives aren't really 
happening, some of them get down to work and 
actually make them more interesting, and others 
just come up with fantasies to make them *seem* 
more interesting.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist

2006-08-25 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
quoted Mark Morford, who said many wise things, the wisest
being:
>
> Or you can easily argue that we are discovering shocking 
> new wonders every day but we have merely lost the ability 
> to be surprised, that given our media and our movies and 
> our terrific level of sad jaded ennui, nothing short of 
> giant amorphous aliens landing here in vagina-shaped 
> spacecraft and declaring the disastrous experiment over 
> and ushering everyone back into the jar would shake us 
> from our intellectual and spiritual lethargy.
> . . .
> 
> Maybe the dolphins already know. But we just haven't 
> learned to listen.

Mark, in his usual funny way, nails the same issue
I noticed when "catching up" with a few weeks of
FFL. One of the phrases that struck me while doing
this was, "Fairfield Life seems to be the kind of
place where people come to talk about the spiritual
experiences of others when they're not having any 
of their own." 

So many people are searching for something *flashy*,
something extraordinary that will shake them out
of the boredom of their lives. Crop circles, "true"
levitation, golden glowing visions of Brahman 
dancing a jig, saviors showing up and speaking
all the languages of Earth at once as they tell
us what to do and how to do it. 

In other words, childish fantasies along the lines
of waiting with 'bated breath for the next Star Wars
movies so that the special effects can take us out
of ourselves for a couple of hours, and we don't
have to remember that most of the other hours have
been pretty boring, because *we* have grown boring,
because *we* have grown bored.

I'd suspect that the great revelation Mark is talk-
ing about will be far more individual, and far more
Zen. It'll consist of people finally noticing the
wonder of breathing in and breathing out, and of
the sound of the wind in the trees, and the way light
dances on the surface of water as they walk along a
river. It'll involve an appreciation of the sound of
children's laughter and our own laughter, not some
big booming Maitreya-voice from the sky telling us
more stuff to convince us that we "know" things.

Face it -- the more you think you know, the less
you actually do. And the more convinced you are that
you've got a handle on "Truth," the more bored you
become *because* you think you've got things all
scoped out. Zen -- an openness to the wonder of the
everyday -- seems to me to be the way to go, clinging 
to nothing, open to everything as a source of wonder, 
not just the "special effects" of life. 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,

2006-08-25 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  
wrote:
> > >
> > > on 8/25/06 1:21 AM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >> > But to claim that there is some current and persistent 
> > government
> > > >> > campaign against the TMO without any evidence (and there 
is 
> > plenty
> > > >> > of evidence that the govt gives millions to the TMO and 
MUM 
> > in grant
> > > >> > money, etc) is just the sign of a defective brain and 
> > personality.
> > > > 
> > > They government is huge and internal communications are 
sloppy. It 
> > is not
> > > unlikely that one branch is giving money while another is 
hassling 
> > the
> > > movement. When I was teaching in DC soon after Jonestown, I¹m 
> > quite sure our
> > > phones were tapped.
> > 
> > 
> > Just to put things in perspective (now that you've invoked 
> > Jonestown): my best friend went down to Guyana to teach TM for 
over 
> > a year in '78-79 and was there when Jonestown happened.  
According 
> > to him, the communist dictator running the country and his 
> > government thought the TMers were all CIA agents.
> > 
> > Kooks are quick to assume the CIA are interested enough in them 
to 
> > start tapping their phones.  We all like to think that what 
we're 
> > doing is important enough that large, powerful governments are 
going 
> > to spend money, time and resources to listen in on what we're 
doing.
> > 
> > It's sad that MMY puts himself in the same category as dictators 
and 
> > disreputable cult leaders (who all, by the way, inevitably start 
> > blaming the CIA when their cults get bad publicity).
> >
> 
> 
> Yeah, that Castro: always paranoid that the CIA and US military 
were out to get him...



The crime there is that the CIA did NOT get Castro.

Thankfully, they got that child-killer and mass murderer Che Guevara.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 8/25/06 9:06 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >> 
> >> > , "jim_flanegin" 
> >> > wrote:
> >> > 
> >>> >> Thanks for this- I had no idea these intricate designs could 
be
> >>> >> made by humans. Now I know- Yes they are beautiful!
> >> > 
> >> > I've been investigating a little further.
> >> > 
> >> > This is just hilarious, and mind-boggling.
> >> > 
> >> > There's a long-running fight, it seems, between
> >> > the people who think the circles aren't manmade
> >> > and the guys who claim to have made them.  The
> >> > former are insisting that the claims that they're
> >> > all manmade is the hoax.
> > 
> This reminds me of the Bill Witherspoon story. About 16 years
> ago, Bill and some Fairfield friends carved a huge yantra in
> the Oregon desert. It was discovered by some military jets
> flying over and the media picked up story. Some of the UFO 
> community went nuts over it, believing it was carved by
> aliens. They refuse to this day to believe that Bill and his 
> friends made it. See 
http://www.oregonuforeview.com/oregondesert.html

Reminiscent, but in the crop circle case you've got
many hundreds of examples scattered all over the place,
*and* very distinctive differences between two groups
of them, one of which is clearly manmade and the other
not at all clear--including characteristic microscopic
changes in the plants that have been flattened in the
"real" group that do not appear at all in the manmade
group.

I said earlier that the plants weren't killed, and
that many of them revived.  That's only in the
"real" group, where the stems are bent, not broken.
In the manmade group, the stems are all broken, as
you'd expect if somebody was whacking them down
with a piece of board.

There's a host of other differences as well.  It
just isn't anywhere near as clear-cut as I had
thought.  The more deeply you go into it, the more
confusing and contradictory it gets.  Whichever
explanation you pick may make sense of some aspects
but leaves a bunch of others more mysterious than
before.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:

> > No real crop circle exists that is drawn on a mobius
> > strip, for example...
> 
> Au contraire, Pierre.

http://www.circlemakers.org/totc2004.html

Second to last on the page.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Some are crop circles and some are Photoshop fakes.  Two 
> > different
> > > > > layers, adjust the opacity.
> > > > 
> > > > Actually there's no need for fakes.  The circle
> > > > makers have developed their techniques to a high
> > > > art.  Most of the circles that have been
> > > > photographed and filmed have also been examined
> > > > and analyzed *in the field* (literally).
> > > > 
> > > > It would be silly to go to a lot of trouble to
> > > > PhotoShop a crop circle when there are so many
> > > > incredibly elaborate certified genuine circles.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > I guarantee you I can make a more interesting fake
> > > circle using digital video techniques than the
> > > aliens can make using the real wheat fields...
> > 
> > You'd probably better have a look at some of the
> > recent ones.
> > 
> > Probably better not to assume they're aliens, too.
> 
> No real crop circle exists that is drawn on a mobius
> strip, for example...

Au contraire, Pierre.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Here are two sites devoted to how to make crop circle photos in 
Photoshop:

Of course you can fake crop circle photos in
Photoshop.

But why on earth would you want to when there
are so many magnificent *real* crop circles?

> http://www.bertmonroy.com/tutorials/text/14_crop.htm
> 
> http://www.dwphotoshop.com/photoshop/crop_circles.php
> 
> I think some are physical and some are just photos.  

No, Curtis, they're physical.  As I said,
they've been examined *in the field*, on the
ground.

> I need to work on this as an image for a CD cover.

That's just idiotic.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" 
>  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > The photographer had taken a portrait of the 
> > > > artist but using a long -- several seconds long 
> > > > -- exposure. While the shutter was open, Picasso 
> > > > had created a drawing of a bull in mid air, using 
> > > > a small penlight. The drawing was perfect.
> > > 
> > > That's actually a famous photograph...I wish I could remember who 
> > > the photographer was...
> > 
> > Art students and even professionals practice drawing circles of all 
> > sizes, over and over again.  Dozens of circles a day, for thousands 
> > of days, trains the muscles and nervous system to be pretty good at 
> > drawing circles.
> 
> But that doesn't help much when what you want to
> draw is a bull.
>

Actually, yeah it does. Perfect circles are HARD. If a bull is slightly "off" 
you can chalk it up 
to a funny perspective or a funny bull, but a circle? Everyone knows what a 
circle is 
supposed to look like. Master a circle freehand and just about any other 
drawing comes 
easier.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Some are crop circles and some are Photoshop fakes.  Two 
> different
> > > > layers, adjust the opacity.
> > > 
> > > Actually there's no need for fakes.  The circle
> > > makers have developed their techniques to a high
> > > art.  Most of the circles that have been
> > > photographed and filmed have also been examined
> > > and analyzed *in the field* (literally).
> > > 
> > > It would be silly to go to a lot of trouble to
> > > PhotoShop a crop circle when there are so many
> > > incredibly elaborate certified genuine circles.
> > >
> > 
> > I guarantee you I can make a more interesting fake
> > circle using digital video techniques than the
> > aliens can make using the real wheat fields...
> 
> You'd probably better have a look at some of the
> recent ones.
> 
> Probably better not to assume they're aliens, too.
>

No real crop circle exists that is drawn on a mobius strip, for example...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: It is not fear, but love, that creates law and order.

2006-08-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 8/25/06 10:55 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
> >>> > > 
> >>> >> So you¹re implying that the dysfunction of the TMO can be excused 
> >>> >> because
> >>> >> it¹s large. Then how come it appears to have grown increasingly
> >>> >> dysfunctional as it has shrunk over the last several decades? And how 
> >>> >> >>>
> come
> >>> >> Amma¹s and SSRS¹s organizations, which are probably now much larger, 
> >>> >> are
> so
> >>> >> much less dysfunctional?
> >>> >> 
> >> > 
> >> > I doubt if either is as large as the TMO was in its heyday. And MMY has
> >> very 
> >> > deliberately 
> >> > created a dysfunctional organization. Why, I'm not sure, but it is 
> >> > obvious.
> >> He 
> >> > even tacitly 
> >> > acknowledges it by his refusal to discuss things like the initiation 
> >> > fees.
> > 
> I don¹t think it¹s intentional. I think it¹s a natural expression of the way
> he thinks.
>

Perhaps. Maybe a better way to put it is to say it's not "accidental," 
regardless of whether 
or not it's deliberate. He goes with whatever his intuition says, whether it is 
to damn 
democracy, or have another world peace course.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Some are crop circles and some are Photoshop fakes.  Two 
different
> > > layers, adjust the opacity.
> > 
> > Actually there's no need for fakes.  The circle
> > makers have developed their techniques to a high
> > art.  Most of the circles that have been
> > photographed and filmed have also been examined
> > and analyzed *in the field* (literally).
> > 
> > It would be silly to go to a lot of trouble to
> > PhotoShop a crop circle when there are so many
> > incredibly elaborate certified genuine circles.
> >
> 
> I guarantee you I can make a more interesting fake
> circle using digital video techniques than the
> aliens can make using the real wheat fields...

You'd probably better have a look at some of the
recent ones.

Probably better not to assume they're aliens, too.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It is not fear, but love, that creates law and order.

2006-08-25 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It is not fear, but love, that creates law and order.





on 8/25/06 10:55 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
> > 
>> So you’re implying that the dysfunction of the TMO can be excused because
>> it’s large. Then how come it appears to have grown increasingly
>> dysfunctional as it has shrunk over the last several decades? And how come
>> Amma’s and SSRS’s organizations, which are probably now much larger, are so
>> much less dysfunctional?
>> 
> 
> I doubt if either is as large as the TMO was in its heyday. And MMY has very 
> deliberately 
> created a dysfunctional organization. Why, I'm not sure, but it is obvious. He 
> even tacitly 
> acknowledges it by his refusal to discuss things like the initiation fees.

I don’t think it’s intentional. I think it’s a natural _expression_ of the way he thinks.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread curtisdeltablues
Here are two sites devoted to how to make crop circle photos in Photoshop:
http://www.bertmonroy.com/tutorials/text/14_crop.htm

http://www.dwphotoshop.com/photoshop/crop_circles.php

I think some are physical and some are just photos.  

I need to work on this as an image for a CD cover.





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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" 
>  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > The photographer had taken a portrait of the 
> > > > artist but using a long -- several seconds long 
> > > > -- exposure. While the shutter was open, Picasso 
> > > > had created a drawing of a bull in mid air, using 
> > > > a small penlight. The drawing was perfect.
> > > 
> > > That's actually a famous photograph...I wish I could remember who 
> > > the photographer was...
> > 
> > Art students and even professionals practice drawing circles of all 
> > sizes, over and over again.  Dozens of circles a day, for thousands 
> > of days, trains the muscles and nervous system to be pretty good at 
> > drawing circles.
> 
> But that doesn't help much when what you want to
> draw is a bull.
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Molly McMahon

2006-08-25 Thread m2smart4u2000
---Front page of the ledger tonight. she is 18, a friend of my 
daughter, she is not a Roo but her family is well know in FF

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> n 8/25/06 10:20 PM, m2smart4u2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Does anybody have any updates on the accident or condition of 
Molly?
> > 
> Is she a Fairfielder? What accident? When?
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" 
 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > The photographer had taken a portrait of the 
> > > artist but using a long -- several seconds long 
> > > -- exposure. While the shutter was open, Picasso 
> > > had created a drawing of a bull in mid air, using 
> > > a small penlight. The drawing was perfect.
> > 
> > That's actually a famous photograph...I wish I could remember who 
> > the photographer was...
> 
> Art students and even professionals practice drawing circles of all 
> sizes, over and over again.  Dozens of circles a day, for thousands 
> of days, trains the muscles and nervous system to be pretty good at 
> drawing circles.

But that doesn't help much when what you want to
draw is a bull.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fear of CC: Self Loathing as Spiritual Path

2006-08-25 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> 
> > Such is the fear of Cosmic Cooties at this point that 
> > the official TM organization won't allow anyone who has 
> > *admitted to* any contact with either of the cootie-
> > infested behaviors to be part of civilzed...uh, I mean 
> > evolved...company. They are weeded out and sent off to 
> > the hell world that the TBs have been trained to believe 
> > awaits them.
> 
> The impression I have from the reports here is
> that people who have seen other saints *are*
> allowed to participate in the course if they
> sign a statement vowing never to do so again.
> 
> Not good, obviously, but at least the TMO seems to
> believe in the possibility of redemption.
> 
> 
> > I suggest all of this as a way to help the more 
> > balanced posters here feel more compassion for some 
> > of the more strident voices among them. The angrier 
> > these voices get, the more they demonize others who 
> > think for themselves and are honest about their doubts 
> > and their "extracurricular" interests, the more angry 
> > they really are at themselves. The more they demonize 
> > these cootie-infested individuals, the more they 
> > internally demonize themselves.
> 
> Funny, I've seen very little in the way of
> "demonizing" of those with "extracurricular
> interests" here lately.  In fact, most of the
> demonizing seems to be going in the other
> direction (as in this post of Barry's).
>
"...and avoiding those posters whom time 
has proven a waste of time." 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: It is not fear, but love, that creates law and order.

2006-08-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 8/25/06 10:15 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >> 
> >> > , Rick Archer  wrote:
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> on 8/25/06 9:44 AM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote:
>  >>> 
>   MMY in the 23Aug2006 press conference at
> >> > mou.org:
>  
>   "It is not fear, but love, that creates law and
>  >>> order."
>  
>   Never did walk his talk.
>  
>  
>   So all he ever did was intimidate people?
>  
>   No, but he structured an atmosphere in which 
there was
> >> > plenty
> >>> >> of
>   intimidation and fear, as well as good stuff. 
Mixed
> bag.
>  
>  
>   Unlike other spiritual organizations, eh?
> >> >
>  >>> They¹re not all dysfunctional.
>  >>> 
> >> > 
> >> > What size organization are we talking about?
>  >>> 
> >>> >> Size doesn¹t matter.
> >>> >> 
> >> > 
> >> > Heh. Au contraire. Women generally agree that size DOES matter, amongst
> >> > themselves, 
> >> > (though they don't always agree with HOW it matters--I've been the ghost 
> >> > at
> >> > female only 
> >> > conversations where everyone forgot about the lone guy sitting in the
> >> station 
> >> > wagon's 
> >> > trunk).
> >> > 
> >> > And size matters in a more consistent way when dealing with how
> >> dysfunctional 
> >> > an 
> >> > organization gets.
> > 
> So you¹re implying that the dysfunction of the TMO can be excused because
> it¹s large. Then how come it appears to have grown increasingly
> dysfunctional as it has shrunk over the last several decades? And how come
> Amma¹s and SSRS¹s organizations, which are probably now much larger, are so
> much less dysfunctional?
>

I doubt if either is as large as the TMO was in its heyday. And MMY has very 
deliberately 
created a dysfunctional organization. Why, I'm not sure, but it is obvious. He 
even tacitly 
acknowledges it by his refusal to discuss things like the initiation fees.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Molly McMahon

2006-08-25 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Molly McMahon





n 8/25/06 10:20 PM, m2smart4u2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Does anybody have any updates on the accident or condition of Molly?

Is she a Fairfielder? What accident? When?


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Geeky question

2006-08-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Is there an IT industry term for software that 
> enables other applications to work together 
> more successfully? For example, let's say you 
> want to file Outlook email in a job folder with 
> other documents related to a given project. Or 
> say you want to compare computer-aided 
> drawings produced by different programs.
> 
> Has the industry coined a term for such software?
> 
> Thanks.
>

Middle-ware is one term.

Groupware or collaborative software appears to be more common:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborative_software

Linux has a virtual desktop system available. Apple has incorporated the 
concept into the 
next version of Mac OS X via the built-in iChat video software:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/ichat.html








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It is not fear, but love, that creates law and order.

2006-08-25 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It is not fear, but love, that creates law and order.





on 8/25/06 10:15 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  
> , Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> on 8/25/06 9:44 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> 
 MMY in the 23Aug2006 press conference at
> mou.org:
 
 "It is not fear, but love, that creates law and
>>> order."
 
 Never did walk his talk.
 
 
 So all he ever did was intimidate people?
 
 No, but he structured an atmosphere in which there was 
> plenty
>> of
 intimidation and fear, as well as good stuff. Mixed bag.
 
 
 Unlike other spiritual organizations, eh?
> 
>>> They’re not all dysfunctional.
>>> 
> 
> What size organization are we talking about?
>>> 
>> Size doesn’t matter.
>> 
> 
> Heh. Au contraire. Women generally agree that size DOES matter, amongst 
> themselves, 
> (though they don't always agree with HOW it matters--I've been the ghost at 
> female only 
> conversations where everyone forgot about the lone guy sitting in the station 
> wagon's 
> trunk).
> 
> And size matters in a more consistent way when dealing with how dysfunctional 
> an 
> organization gets.

So you’re implying that the dysfunction of the TMO can be excused because it’s large. Then how come it appears to have grown increasingly dysfunctional as it has shrunk over the last several decades? And how come Amma’s and SSRS’s organizations, which are probably now much larger, are so much less dysfunctional?


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Some are crop circles and some are Photoshop fakes.  Two different
> > layers, adjust the opacity.
> 
> Actually there's no need for fakes.  The circle
> makers have developed their techniques to a high
> art.  Most of the circles that have been
> photographed and filmed have also been examined
> and analyzed *in the field* (literally).
> 
> It would be silly to go to a lot of trouble to
> PhotoShop a crop circle when there are so many
> incredibly elaborate certified genuine circles.
>

I guarantee you I can make a more interesting fake circle using digital video 
techniques than 
the aliens can make using the real wheat fields...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fear of CC: Self Loathing as Spiritual Path

2006-08-25 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Turquoise welcome back ...
> Somebody high-ranking in the TMO asked me some time back, whether I 
> would like him to act on my behalf, to get myself back in favour.
> I asked why.
> He seemed puzzled at my question, but hesitantly mumbled something 
> about 'getting the knowledge that Maharishi is giving out' (sic).
> Well, I was left puzzled, and am still puzzled.
> I thought that, according the TM dictum, all you needed to do was to 
> learn TM, which I had, and all else will be added unto you, which to 
> some extent it has. What would I need to do cosying up to someone who 
> would sweettalk me into an organisation that has black lists, and 
> doesn't even feel open enough to reprint the satsangs of its 'guiding 
> light' - Guru Dev? 
> 
> Is that cos Guru Dev is competition too
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Why is john Hagelin a coward???
> > > What is he afraid of???
> > > 
> > > ...that I AM NOT AFRAID OF???!!!
> > > 
> > > Why is john Hagelin a coward???
> > > What is he afraid of???
> > > 
> > > ...answer this
> > 
> > Ah, a perfect opportunity to re-emerge after my shorter-
> > than-expected vacation. 
> > 
> > It's been fascinating being away from the fray, traveling
> > about and being around normal people most of the time. :-)
> > 
> > On returning from my Road Trip, I spent about an hour 
> > "catching up," and I thank those who encouraged me to stick
> > around. I've decided to take you up on the offer, at least
> > for a little while, and with some self-imposed restrictions.
> > I plan to spend a maximum of 20 minutes a day :-) reading 
> > FFL, and then to do so very, very selectively, reading only 
> > what catches my eye, and avoiding those posters whom time 
> > has proven a waste of time. If I post, it will be as an 
> > exercise in writing, not as a prelude to or an invitation 
> > to argue. 
> > 
> > One of the spiritual teachers I worked with used to say, 
> > "Writers write because they're trying to figure things out." 
> > For the record, that's all I'm doing...trying to figure 
> > things out. These raps are not my idea of What Is True, 
> > and I'm not trying to sell the ideas in them to anyone 
> > or convince anyone that they're "true" or "right."  
> > 
> > I post the comments as what they are, Just My Opinion. I 
> > will not respond to any comments others make about them, 
> > and to be honest can't even promise to read the followups,
> > if there are any. Unlike many of the people here, I don't 
> > really feel any need to defend my opinions as anything other 
> > than what they are -- just my opinions, made at a particular
> > point in time, possibly changing at another point in time. 
> > If others want to comment on them, that's their business. 
> > The posts themselves are the only comments I have to offer.
> > 
> > Here's the first of them:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Reading some of the FFL posts from the last month, pretty 
> > much at random, I came across a few (both the opinions of
> > FFL "regulars" and quotes from others in the TMO) that 
> > suggest to me that TM has degenerated into a path in 
> > which the few lingering True Believers are acting out 
> > of a profound fear of CC.
> > 
> > No, not Cosmic Consciousness. I'm talking about Cosmic 
> > Cooties.
> > 
> > Over the decades, the TM faithful have been told, by 
> > Maharishi directly and by those he trained to parrot his 
> > words, that certain things in life contain Cosmic Cooties, 
> > and that to come in contact with these things is to chance 
> > getting the cooties on yourself. 
> > 
> > To doubt the infallible Truth of the TM dogma is definitely 
> > courting cooties. There can be no question of this -- all 
> > you have to do is watch and see what happens to those in 
> > the TMO who give expression to their doubts. They are 
> > whisked out of sight and quarantined as quickly as a leper 
> > would have been chased out of a medieval village. Doubt 
> > cooties are *contagious*, after all, and you can't allow 
> > those who have them to mingle among the uninfected.
> > 
> > The other thing that definitely is infected with these 
> > highly contagious cooties is being open to knowledge from 
> > or representatives of other spiritual traditions. The 
> > attitude could be emblazoned on a T-shirt: SEE A SAINT, 
> > GET COOTIES!
> > 
> > Such is the fear of Cosmic Cooties at this point that 
> > the official TM organization won't allow anyone who has 
> > *admitted to* any contact with either of the cootie-
> > infested behaviors to be part of civilzed...uh, I mean 
> > evolved...company. They are weeded out and sent off to 
> > the hell world that the TBs have been trained to believe 
> > awaits them.
> > 
> > I believe that this is a rea

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 8/25/06 6:35 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > 
> >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >> 
> >> > , "curtisdeltablues"
> >> >  wrote:
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> Some are crop circles and some are Photoshop fakes.  Two different
> >>> >> layers, adjust the opacity.
> >> > 
> >> > Actually there's no need for fakes.  The circle
> >> > makers have developed their techniques to a high
> >> > art.  Most of the circles that have been
> >> > photographed and filmed have also been examined
> >> > and analyzed *in the field* (literally).
> > 
> Do the farmers mind these guys destroying their crops?
>

Sometimes it's the farmers that do it...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Some are crop circles and some are Photoshop fakes.  Two different
> layers, adjust the opacity.

Now that Apple Shake only costs $500 or $250 for students, expect to see some 
REALLY 
GOOD fake videos coming out. I mean REALLY GOOD...


http://www.apple.com/shake/





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > These have always fascinated me because of their size, perfect 
> > > > design and complexity. The artist-engineer piece of my mind 
> cannot 
> > > > concieve how these large designs can be made so quickly,  
> > > > apparently at night, with perfect proportions, by human 
> beings. 
> > > > Astonishing. A true mystery.
> > > 
> > > I just watched this one on YouTube:
> > > 
> > > http://tinyurl.com/s67q8
> > > 
> > > They've gotten *way* more elaborate and refined since
> > > the last time I paid any attention to them.  Some of
> > > the ones in this video are unbelievably complex, and
> > > quite stunningly beautiful.
> > > 
> > > Even if they *are* made by humans--and like Jim, I
> > > have a hard time understanding how that can be the
> > > case (although not from his engineering perspective)--
> > > they're absolutely remarkable, truly a new art form.
> > 
> > Speaking of new art forms, several years ago
> > I was in an arty French village on the Riviera, 
> > and went into the tiny Picasso museum that they
> > have there. It's more of a "He lived here once" 
> > museum than anything else, and doesn't have that 
> > much original art, but there was a photograph 
> > there that just charmed my socks off. 
> > 
> > The photographer had taken a portrait of the 
> > artist but using a long -- several seconds long 
> > -- exposure. While the shutter was open, Picasso 
> > had created a drawing of a bull in mid air, using 
> > a small penlight. The drawing was perfect.
> 
> 
> That's actually a famous photograph...I wish I could remember who 
> the photographer was...

Art students and even professionals practice drawing circles of all sizes, over 
and over 
again.  Dozens of circles a day, for thousands of days, trains the muscles and 
nervous 
system to be pretty good at drawing circles.

> 
> 
> > 
> > The following sites, for which I must thank my 
> > brother, display the work of young Japanese 
> > artists who create this same type of art, but 
> > in motion. Using nothing more than a *series* 
> > of still photographs created the same way, 
> > with a long exposure, they are able to draw 
> > *animated* figures in mid air, with using
> > colored flashlights. 
> > 
> > I really *love* this stuff. Imagine the sense
> > of *space* that the artists have to have to draw
> > not only a single figure in mid air, but to draw
> > a sequence of those figures in mid air, to give
> > the impression of an animal walking, or a bird
> > flying. I also love this stuff because it reminds
> > me of a Japanese form of puppetry called bunraku.
> > In bunraku, the puppets are very complex, often
> > requiring the presence of three puppeteers per
> > character to control them. The puppeteers are 
> > onstage at all times, dressed head to toe in
> > black. What makes it an artform is that after
> > about five minutes you no longer see them on
> > the stage. All you see is the puppets.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dcmDscwEcI

It works best if you adjust your monitor to be a tad dark before you load the 
movie.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Give me your dunces, learning impaired, and retarded...

2006-08-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > I actually like this idea of MMY's:
> > 
> > "Parents with children who are having difficulties with conventional 
> > learning can have their children trained in Yogic Flying, and 
> through 
> > their group practice of the technique, the children will create 
> > integrated, invincible national consciousness. "
> >
> Or disorders. I have met very many adults that has been practising 
> Yogic Flying - and really got troubles with mental disorders, and 
> physical disorders. The technique is too strong for many children. 
> Ingegerd
>

Kids under 16 aren't allowed to learn Yogic Flying, as far as I know. And how 
many adults 
already had problems that they blame on the Sidhis, BTW? The main source of 
claims of 
problems with TM and mental illness was a study done in a mental hospital, 
where the 
researchers decided that the relaxation was too much for certain mental 
patients because 
it broke down their long-term defense mechanisms.


BTW, the current lawsuit against TM and MUM seems to hint that the kid had 
decided that 
doing TM meant he didn't need to take his anti-psychotic medication any more. 
While you 
can certainly blame the TMO and MUM administration for mishandling the guy from 
the 
get-go, the most logical explanation for his behavior is simply that he was no 
longer 
taking his meds.







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[FairfieldLife] Molly McMahon

2006-08-25 Thread m2smart4u2000
Does anybody have any updates on the accident or condition of Molly?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,

2006-08-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> >
> > on 8/25/06 1:21 AM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > 
> > >> > But to claim that there is some current and persistent 
> government
> > >> > campaign against the TMO without any evidence (and there is 
> plenty
> > >> > of evidence that the govt gives millions to the TMO and MUM 
> in grant
> > >> > money, etc) is just the sign of a defective brain and 
> personality.
> > > 
> > They government is huge and internal communications are sloppy. It 
> is not
> > unlikely that one branch is giving money while another is hassling 
> the
> > movement. When I was teaching in DC soon after Jonestown, I¹m 
> quite sure our
> > phones were tapped.
> 
> 
> Just to put things in perspective (now that you've invoked 
> Jonestown): my best friend went down to Guyana to teach TM for over 
> a year in '78-79 and was there when Jonestown happened.  According 
> to him, the communist dictator running the country and his 
> government thought the TMers were all CIA agents.
> 
> Kooks are quick to assume the CIA are interested enough in them to 
> start tapping their phones.  We all like to think that what we're 
> doing is important enough that large, powerful governments are going 
> to spend money, time and resources to listen in on what we're doing.
> 
> It's sad that MMY puts himself in the same category as dictators and 
> disreputable cult leaders (who all, by the way, inevitably start 
> blaming the CIA when their cults get bad publicity).
>


Yeah, that Castro: always paranoid that the CIA and US military were out to get 
him...









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[FairfieldLife] Re: It is not fear, but love, that creates law and order.

2006-08-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 8/25/06 9:44 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
>   MMY in the 23Aug2006 press conference at
> >> > mou.org:
>  
>   "It is not fear, but love, that creates law and
> >>> >> order."
>  
>   Never did walk his talk.
>  
>  
>   So all he ever did was intimidate people?
> >> >
>  >>> No, but he structured an atmosphere in which there was 
plenty
> of
>  >>> intimidation and fear, as well as good stuff. Mixed bag.
>  >>> 
> >> > 
> >> > Unlike other spiritual organizations, eh?
>  >>> 
> >>> >> They¹re not all dysfunctional.
> >>> >> 
> >> > 
> >> > What size organization are we talking about?
> > 
> Size doesn¹t matter.
>

Heh. Au contraire. Women generally agree that size DOES matter, amongst 
themselves, 
(though they don't always agree with HOW it matters--I've been the ghost at 
female only 
conversations where everyone forgot about the lone guy sitting in the station 
wagon's 
trunk).

And size matters in a more consistent way when dealing with how dysfunctional 
an 
organization gets.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.





on 8/25/06 9:06 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  
> , "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for this- I had no idea these intricate designs could be
>> made by humans. Now I know- Yes they are beautiful!
> 
> I've been investigating a little further.
> 
> This is just hilarious, and mind-boggling.
> 
> There's a long-running fight, it seems, between
> the people who think the circles aren't manmade
> and the guys who claim to have made them.  The
> former are insisting that the claims that they're
> all manmade is the hoax.

This reminds me of the Bill Witherspoon story. About 16 years ago, Bill and some Fairfield friends carved a huge yantra in the Oregon desert. It was discovered by some military jets flying over and the media picked up story. Some of the UFO community went nuts over it, believing it was carved by aliens. They refuse to this day to believe that Bill and his friends made it. See http://www.oregonuforeview.com/oregondesert.html


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[FairfieldLife] Geeky question

2006-08-25 Thread Patrick Gillam
Is there an IT industry term for software that 
enables other applications to work together 
more successfully? For example, let's say you 
want to file Outlook email in a job folder with 
other documents related to a given project. Or 
say you want to compare computer-aided 
drawings produced by different programs.

Has the industry coined a term for such software?

Thanks.





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[FairfieldLife] Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist

2006-08-25 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist





Let Us Now Speak With Dolphins 
 Are we not overdue for the next mind-blowing cosmic breakthrough? Are you ready?

By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist  
Friday, August 25, 2006
 



We are overdue. Long overdue. For some sort of great breakthrough, some sort of unfathomable shift, a great cosmological ideagasm that rearranges our perspectives and bitch-slaps our dogma and makes the church wince and recoil and scream out its denial even as it slowly melts away, leaving only a black hat and a broom and a puddle of slimy green goo.

Yes, we are ripe. It's way past time for something to smack us out of our wicked human solipsism, out of our vicious infighting about religion and land and oil and which portion of hot barely habitable dust-choked earth God tossed aside for his most favoritest people and which he just shrugged off and let devolve into, you know, Orange County.

Do you feel it? Do you sense the overarching need, the spiritual craving, the pregnant sensation that something's gotta give and it's either going to be gorgeous and unexpected and something so profound that it causes everyone on the planet to suddenly stop in the middle of the street at the same moment and take a deep breath and go, Oh yeah, that's the real meaning of it all, or spin off into WWIII or a great global-warmed cataclysm that will send us back to the caves, bleeding and broken and yanking each other around by the hair and saying dammit dammit dammit, we were so close?

Just look  . In the early days of science and human evolution, the major discoveries, the radical breakthroughs that changed our fundamental way of life seemed to come at us hot and thick. Fire. The wheel. The Gregorian calendar. The printing press. The Earth not being flat. The Earth not being at the center of the universe. Space not being made up of some sort of evil black liquid. Telescopes. Stars waving and saying hi. And then the church freaks out. People are all, like, whoa.

Then, rocketry. Relativity. Thermodynamics. Electromagnetism. Splitting the atom. Indoor plumbing. Modern medicine. Paper clips. Galaxies showing up much farther away than anything we can comprehend. Female nipples declared a national menace. Learning that we are hurling around the sun at roughly 67,000 miles per hour but because there is no air in space we do not feel like a tiny yapping dog with its head stuck out the window of a speeding SUV, even though we very much are. Also, thong underwear.

But now, we seem to be stuck. We seem to be at some sort of cosmological standstill, a weird and nervous holding pattern. Yes, discoveries are still coming at us all the time: quantum theory and string theory and dark matter, new planets and mineral deposits on Mars and cloning your dead cat. We've got Viagra and we've cured a few diseases even as we've created a few more. All well and good.

But it seems nothing has really hit us in the past millennia to really rattle our collective foundations, upheave all perceptions, shake us to the core and make us rethink everything. I don't mean the Internet. I don't mean fantastical ideas about colonizing Mars and I don't mean the slow, painful "discovery" of global warming and I don't mean finally figuring out that processed food will, in fact, kill you dead.

I mean a true revelation. I mean someone coming along and declaring the equivalent that the Earth is not flat, that the stars are not merely a few hundred miles away, that we are not alone. And then holding up proof. Pictures. A YouTube video. Here, check this out, it's a deep-space alien. She's waving, smiling, holding flowers. Except those aren't flowers. They're galaxies. Cool.

I do not know exactly what this revelation could be, but I do know it will have nothing to do with Jesus. Or rather, if it does, it's that we find Jesus' perfectly mummified body somewhere in Japan and he's wearing a sari and a Buddha necklace and has Egyptian hieroglyphs tattooed on his thighs, and there are no nail marks on his hands and by the way, he's a she, and she has a long tail and two hearts and three eyes made of diamonds and stardust and sex.

But you know what? Even that won't be enough.

Perhaps we will finally decipher dolphinspeak (or they will finally allow us to), and we'll discover that they've been waiting for us to evolve but can't wait any longer and must take their leave so, you know, so long, and thanks for all the fish.

Perhaps it will be the translation of whale song, which turns out to be the meaning of Pi, which in turn translates into irrefutable evidence that it was, in fact, the whales themselves who helped build the Great Pyramids. "Ahhh," we will finally say. "Of course."

Is it the discovery that giant deep-sea octopi control the light switches to the stars? That trees have consciousness? That we can levitate at will? That parallel universes exist and you can see them if you strip down and lube up and swallow just the right kind of mushroo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> Thanks for this- I had no idea these intricate designs could be
> made by humans. Now I know- Yes they are beautiful!

I've been investigating a little further.

This is just hilarious, and mind-boggling.

There's a long-running fight, it seems, between
the people who think the circles aren't manmade
and the guys who claim to have made them.  The
former are insisting that the claims that they're
all manmade is the hoax.

This site--

http://www.lovely.clara.net/homepg.html

--has what appears to be detailed, hardcore
scientific evidence of the differences between
manmade circles and "genuine" circles.  And it's
only one of many.

This is a *far* more complicated, and far
stranger, story than I thought after finding
the CircleMakers site.







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[FairfieldLife] Milwaukee Irish Fest report

2006-08-25 Thread Nick
Irish Fest didn't seem to be quite as "stellar" this year; it seemed 
like there were less "big names" than usual. However, there was a 
good side to this, in that it allowed our local bands Ce (Milwaukee) 
and Gan Bua (Chicago) to really shine through. This was the first 
time I had seen Gan Bua since Brian Hart has joined on vocals, and 
they had a new live CD to promote as well. They went over very well 
and their new CD is great; Brian sings three songs in Gaelic and one 
in English. I was surprised he included "The Hare's Dream," which he 
had sung on the Ce debut album, but this version justified the re-
recording as it was particularly sweet and sad. I highly recommend 
going to their website and ordering a copy of LIVE AT MARTYRS 
(ganbua.com). Ce has a new CD too, Between Worlds, an all-
instrumental affair that will please anyone who loves traditional 
music with a modern flair. I'll write more on that album at a later 
date when I give it a closer listen.
I was able to catch The Cottars on this tour, whom I had just missed 
at Chicago's Celtic fest a year or two ago. They were better than I 
would have thought, since I haven't been thrilled with their second 
or third albums. Sister-brother team Fiona and Ciaran MacGillivray 
belted out a moving version of "The Briar and the Rose," while later 
in their set Fiona surprised with a lightening fast solo on tin 
whistle the drew a standing ovation. I would definitely go see them 
again on the strength of the two performances I caught. 
I think most of the musicians at Irish Fest were most exited about 
David Munnelly, a button accordianist who merges Irish traditional 
with 1920s era jazz. 1920s is a pretty early era of jazz for me to 
even recognize-- sometimes it even sounded like ragtime. At times I 
felt that rather than fusing the two styles, he was simply playing 
one song in one style and another in the other. One track featured 
three songs strung together: a cajun tune, an American tune, and an 
Irish tune. He had a drummer, brother Kieran Munnelly, who mostly did 
jazzy shuffles on snare drum, but when he picked up the Irish flute 
and did a duet with the mandolin player on some tunes from Quebec, it 
was one of the highlights of the set. I bought his CD with fiddler 
Aidan O'Donnell, IN SAFE HANDS, and it was one of best purchases I 
made. The only thing that didn't impress me about Munnelly's set was 
his vocalist Andrew Murray. He probably has a fine voice, but it was 
in a very low register and I'm partial to high and falsetto singing. 
I think this is probably the only thing that will hold back the 
band's popularity in terms of US audiences, but maybe it is my tastes 
that are off-kilter here. 
Chicagoans can see David Munnelly again on September 12 at the 
Uncommonground Coffeehouse where he will be performing with Gan Bua 
as the support act. That should be an amazing show, in many ways the 
best of Miwaukee Irish fest in a single evening. 
At the harp tent, I caught a complete performance by Kim Robertson 
who has many CDs that are sold in the new age market. It was a 
pleasing mix featuring religious music, classical interpretations of 
Holtz, folk songs, and even Robert Burns' Auld Lang Syne. I'd 
recommend her show to anyone who appreciates the "Celtic" harp 
(although technically I suppose it's the neo-Irish harp since the 
original Irish harp has wired strings. The later harps use gut 
strings of nylon for a much gentler sound. At least this is what I 
remember from the liner notes to the first Derek Bell album). 
Of course, the two Ce concerts I saw were a highlight, but I've spent 
so much time listening to their CD over the last year that this was a 
forgone conclusion. When they played one of the particularly sweet 
concertina/flute melodies from that album on Sunday afternoon, it 
caught the mood of fatigued reverie that everyone was in. We are 
really fortunate to have a band like this in the neighborhood and 
should never take it for granted. 
Well, I don't have much time left on the computer I'm using while 
mine is in storage, so I'll sign off. Happy jigging. -=--==- om==-=- 
Nick







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[FairfieldLife] What If?

2006-08-25 Thread Rick Archer
Title: What If?





Someone asked me in a private correspondence if I feel negatively about Hagelin. My response:

Mixed. He represents TMO consciousness quite accurately. Puts up a good front while hiding (or trying to hide) a dysfunctional personal life. I believe things are perfect just as they are, but I was “playing what if” tonight. What if Maharishi had been simple, sincere, honest, etc.? For instance, the Beatle episode. What if he hadn’t been sleeping with women in Rishikesh and hadn’t been trying to rope the Beatles into self-serving business and publicity deals – telling them one thing while arranging other things behind their backs? They wouldn’t have gone away disillusioned and could have had a huge impact. He was always trying to take shortcuts, always acting on the principle of “the end justifies the means,” and it always backfired on him. TM is so powerful. If he had just kept the message simple and behaved ethically, things could have turned out very differently. But again, things happen the way they’re supposed to happen. I guess the world got what it deserved.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 8/25/06 6:35 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >> 
> >> > , "curtisdeltablues"
> >> >  wrote:
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> Some are crop circles and some are Photoshop fakes.  Two
> >>> >> different layers, adjust the opacity.
> >> > 
> >> > Actually there's no need for fakes.  The circle
> >> > makers have developed their techniques to a high
> >> > art.  Most of the circles that have been
> >> > photographed and filmed have also been examined
> >> > and analyzed *in the field* (literally).
> > 
> Do the farmers mind these guys destroying their crops?

Some do, some don't.  It's common for the farmers
to charge the public for admission to the fields.

The circles don't "destroy their crops," of course,
they just reduce the yield somewhat of the field a
circle is made in.  Much of the flattened portion
of the crop springs back up again anyway after a
while; usually the stalks are just bent, not broken.

The towns in Wiltshire and Avebury, which are the
main centers for crop circles in Britain, must do
pretty well from the increased tourism during
circle season.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,

2006-08-25 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 8/25/06 1:21 AM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> >> > But to claim that there is some current and persistent 
government
> >> > campaign against the TMO without any evidence (and there is 
plenty
> >> > of evidence that the govt gives millions to the TMO and MUM 
in grant
> >> > money, etc) is just the sign of a defective brain and 
personality.
> > 


> They government is huge and internal communications are sloppy. It 
is not
> unlikely that one branch is giving money while another is hassling 
the
> movement. When I was teaching in DC soon after Jonestown, I¹m 
quite sure our
> phones were tapped.
>

*

The government monitors a lot of people, but this is not harmful in 
itself, and the fact that MUM has collected many millions in grants 
from the feds illustrates the lack of harm any government monitoring 
has done. Tell me what possible evidence there is that the TMO has 
suffered in any way from govt harassment? Also, because the original 
investigation of the TMO was generated from on top, President 
Carter, it's very unlikely that interest in the TMO continued after 
presidents friendly (Reagan/Bush Sr.) or neutral (Clinton) to the 
movement took over.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm having a very strange experience. I'm listening
> > > to, and occasionally watching, a long (hour and a half)
> > > video, beautifully produced, in which a group of
> > > real scientists very convincingly prove that crop
> > > circles cannot possibly be manmade, including via
> > > chemical/radiological/etc. analysis of plants taken
> > > from the circles, and the complexity of the mathematics
> > > behind the patterns.  These aren't woo-woo types at
> > > all; they're dead serious, and they admit they really
> > > have no idea who or what is making the circles or how
> > > it's done, other than that it ain't human beans.
> > > 
> > > (There is a discussion among woo-woo types at the end,
> > > speculating about the extraterrestrial intelligences
> > > who are creating the circles.)
> > > 
> > > One of them just made the point that half-finished
> > > crop circles, or crop circles with mistakes, are
> > > never seen.
> > > 
> > > At the same time I have the video running, with one
> > > ear on it, I'm also reading material from the very
> > > elaborate Web site of two British men who claim to be
> > > the original circle makers, which contains detailed
> > > information on how they go about making the circles.
> > > According to them, there is now a small, elite 
> > > subculture of circle makers all over the world.
> > > 
> > > But see the quote from one of the circle makers at the
> > > end of the post.  These guys started out as garden-
> > > variety hoaxers, but their endeavor seems to have morphed
> > > into something much more significant.
> > 
> > It's pretty obvious to me who's been making all those crop 
circles.
> > 
> > Yup.
> > 
> > Barry Wright.
> 
> Couldn't figure this out, then I realized:  You
> didn't read the post.
>


...and what do you think Barry was doing while he was away all this 
time...he was off making crop circles, of course!







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[FairfieldLife] Re: SO WHAT's THE SCOOP ? ? ?

2006-08-25 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I can't keep up with all the posts right now in FFL, but does 
> anyone 
> > > have the low-down on how the course is going? 
> > > 
> > > I heard good things...
> > > 
> > > ...but are there a lot of people in FF, DC, and elsewhere???
> > > 
> > > Has MMY said anything different or interesting than has been 
> said 
> > > before??? 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On the press conference of 23Aug2006, showing now on mou.org, 
MMY 
> says 
> > that ordinary non-millionaire types should gather together and 
> create 
> > their own flying-hall communities around the world.>>
> 
> Is this a mis-qoute?
> Or are there actually, in existence, 'extra-ordinary non-
> millionaires', as opposed to 'ordinary millionaires' ?
> 
> In addition...did he mention how "non-millionaires" can afford to 
> leave their careers and homes to burnfor this "save the world 
> again course".AFTER HIS "heaven on earth" endless 
> claims???
> 
> OffWorld
>
*

Billionaires Invited to


Make Their Nations Invincible 



Employ 500 to 1000 Yogic Flyers to
Create Coherent Collective Consciousness


for a Problem-Free, Sovereign Country 



³You Will Be Crowned as the


True Ruler of Your Nation² 


 

His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi this week invited the world¹s 
billionaires to make their nations invincible by employing 500 to 
1000 people in the country to practice Transcendental Meditation and 
its more advanced Yogic Flying technique, and thereby create 
coherence in collective consciousness‹the basis of true freedom, 
sovereignty, and invincibility for the nation. 

³Here is a beautiful invitation for any billionaire to transform the 
nation from problems and suffering to affluence and peace through 
the science and technology of total Natural Law. Here is an 
invitation for any billionaire to be crowned as the true ruler of 
his country,² Maharishi said. 

Extensive scientific research published in the world¹s leading 
journals has found that group practice of Yogic Flying by a small 
number of people in the country (as few as the square root of one 
percent of the population) is enough to reduce negative trends, 
including crime and violence, and promote positive economic and 
social tendencies throughout society. 

The cost to train and employ the group of Yogic Flyers in the 
country will be a tiny fraction of what any government spends on its 
military in a single day. 

Maharishi¹s approach to invincibility is in sharp contrast with the 
conventional military approach. ³Our approach does not require the 
government to sacrifice the youth for the sake of the nation‹because 
when the youth are killed in war, then for whom is the nation?² 
Maharishi said. 

Maharishi emphasized that even if no billionaires immediately accept 
the invitation, there are two additional viable approaches to make 
the nation invincible: 


Five hundred to a thousand ordinary citizens in a country can 
be  trained in Yogic Flying.  They  can then lease a hall 
and practice Yogic Flying together every day to  raise their 
nation to invincibility. 
Parents with children who are having difficulties with  
conventional learning can have their children trained in Yogic 
Flying, and  through their group practice of the technique, the 
children will create  integrated, invincible national 
consciousness. 

³Now the wealthy citizens or the ordinary citizens or the children 
who do not enjoy learning can raise their country to invincibility,² 
Maharishi said. 

Groups of Yogic Flyers are already engaged in creating coherent 
national consciousness in 15 nations, including Holland and America, 
where both countries are enjoying a dramatic and sustained upsurge 
in positive economic and social trends. Similar invincibility groups 
will soon be under way in 40 more countries. 

³The time has come for every country to crown one person‹or a group 
of people‹who will assume the parental responsibility to raise the 
nation to invincibility,² Maharishi said. 

The crowning ceremonies will be held on Thursday, September 7. 

Maharishi will answer questions about his invitation to billionaires 
and his global program to raise every nation to invincibility during 
his next global news conferences on August 30 and 31. 

For more information, please write the European Financial Capital 
c/o Archimidestraat 60, 1 Brussels, Belgium, or email to: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

Maharishi¹s Next Global News Conferences 
As usual every week: 
WEDNESDAY


August 30, 2006 


11:30 PM (India Time) 

19.00 hours (CET) 

1:00 PM (USA ET) 




As usual every week: 
THURSDAY
August 31, 2006 


4:00 PM (India Time) 

12.30 hours (CET) 

6:30 AM (USA ET)





Watch the news conferences 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm having a very strange experience. I'm listening
> > > to, and occasionally watching, a long (hour and a half)
> > > video, beautifully produced, in which a group of
> > > real scientists very convincingly prove that crop
> > > circles cannot possibly be manmade, including via
> > > chemical/radiological/etc. analysis of plants taken
> > > from the circles, and the complexity of the mathematics
> > > behind the patterns.  These aren't woo-woo types at
> > > all; they're dead serious, and they admit they really
> > > have no idea who or what is making the circles or how
> > > it's done, other than that it ain't human beans.
> > > 
> > > (There is a discussion among woo-woo types at the end,
> > > speculating about the extraterrestrial intelligences
> > > who are creating the circles.)
> > > 
> > > One of them just made the point that half-finished
> > > crop circles, or crop circles with mistakes, are
> > > never seen.
> > > 
> > > At the same time I have the video running, with one
> > > ear on it, I'm also reading material from the very
> > > elaborate Web site of two British men who claim to be
> > > the original circle makers, which contains detailed
> > > information on how they go about making the circles.
> > > According to them, there is now a small, elite 
> > > subculture of circle makers all over the world.
> > > 
> > > But see the quote from one of the circle makers at the
> > > end of the post.  These guys started out as garden-
> > > variety hoaxers, but their endeavor seems to have morphed
> > > into something much more significant.
> > 
> > It's pretty obvious to me who's been making all those crop 
circles.
> > 
> > Yup.
> > 
> > Barry Wright.
> 
> Couldn't figure this out, then I realized:  You
> didn't read the post.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.





on 8/25/06 6:35 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  
> , "curtisdeltablues" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> Some are crop circles and some are Photoshop fakes.  Two different
>> layers, adjust the opacity.
> 
> Actually there's no need for fakes.  The circle
> makers have developed their techniques to a high
> art.  Most of the circles that have been
> photographed and filmed have also been examined
> and analyzed *in the field* (literally).

Do the farmers mind these guys destroying their crops?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Some are crop circles and some are Photoshop fakes.  Two different
> layers, adjust the opacity.

Actually there's no need for fakes.  The circle
makers have developed their techniques to a high
art.  Most of the circles that have been
photographed and filmed have also been examined
and analyzed *in the field* (literally).

It would be silly to go to a lot of trouble to
PhotoShop a crop circle when there are so many
incredibly elaborate certified genuine circles.







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[FairfieldLife] A SCIENCE OF SALVATION FROM SUFFERING

2006-08-25 Thread rasatantra
A SCIENCE OF SALVATION FROM SUFFERING

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > wrote:
> 
> > > Even if they *are* made by humans--and like Jim, I
> > > have a hard time understanding how that can be the
> > > case (although not from his engineering perspective)--
> > > they're absolutely remarkable, truly a new art form.
> > >
> > Great find! I was surfing Youtube earlier and I missed this 
> > one...Yeah, I just don't see how these are man-made...
> 
> You know, when I found the CircleMakers Web site I
> just posted about, at first I was kind of sad; I
> thought it would take all the joy and wonder out of
> the circles.
> 
> But oddly enough, it doesn't.  To think that humans
> can make them is even *more* wonderful, like the
> long-exposure light animations and the puppet shows
> you cited.
> 
> Plus which, the circle makers themselves have an
> almost mystical attitude toward their creations.
> The site's really worth spending some time on.
>
Thanks for this- I had no idea these intricate designs could be made 
by humans. Now I know- Yes they are beautiful!





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm having a very strange experience. I'm listening
> > to, and occasionally watching, a long (hour and a half)
> > video, beautifully produced, in which a group of
> > real scientists very convincingly prove that crop
> > circles cannot possibly be manmade, including via
> > chemical/radiological/etc. analysis of plants taken
> > from the circles, and the complexity of the mathematics
> > behind the patterns.  These aren't woo-woo types at
> > all; they're dead serious, and they admit they really
> > have no idea who or what is making the circles or how
> > it's done, other than that it ain't human beans.
> > 
> > (There is a discussion among woo-woo types at the end,
> > speculating about the extraterrestrial intelligences
> > who are creating the circles.)
> > 
> > One of them just made the point that half-finished
> > crop circles, or crop circles with mistakes, are
> > never seen.
> > 
> > At the same time I have the video running, with one
> > ear on it, I'm also reading material from the very
> > elaborate Web site of two British men who claim to be
> > the original circle makers, which contains detailed
> > information on how they go about making the circles.
> > According to them, there is now a small, elite 
> > subculture of circle makers all over the world.
> > 
> > But see the quote from one of the circle makers at the
> > end of the post.  These guys started out as garden-
> > variety hoaxers, but their endeavor seems to have morphed
> > into something much more significant.
> 
> It's pretty obvious to me who's been making all those crop circles.
> 
> Yup.
> 
> Barry Wright.

Couldn't figure this out, then I realized:  You
didn't read the post.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Give me your dunces, learning impaired, and retarded...

2006-08-25 Thread Bhairitu
Ingegerd wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>wrote:
>  
>
>>
>>I actually like this idea of MMY's:
>>
>>"Parents with children who are having difficulties with conventional 
>>learning can have their children trained in Yogic Flying, and 
>>
>>
>through 
>  
>
>>their group practice of the technique, the children will create 
>>integrated, invincible national consciousness. "
>>
>>
>>
>Or disorders. I have met very many adults that has been practising 
>Yogic Flying - and really got troubles with mental disorders, and 
>physical disorders. The technique is too strong for many children. 
>Ingegerd
>
I agree.  Plus children should especially practice only Shiva mantras as 
they are calming.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread curtisdeltablues
Some are crop circles and some are Photoshop fakes.  Two different
layers, adjust the opacity.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > These have always fascinated me because of their size, perfect 
> > > design and complexity. The artist-engineer piece of my mind 
> cannot 
> > > concieve how these large designs can be made so quickly, 
> apparently 
> > > at night, with perfect proportions, by human beings. 
> Astonishing. A 
> > > true mystery.
> > 
> > I just watched this one on YouTube:
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/s67q8
> > 
> > They've gotten *way* more elaborate and refined since
> > the last time I paid any attention to them.  Some of
> > the ones in this video are unbelievably complex, and
> > quite stunningly beautiful.
> > 
> > Even if they *are* made by humans--and like Jim, I
> > have a hard time understanding how that can be the
> > case (although not from his engineering perspective)--
> > they're absolutely remarkable, truly a new art form.
> >
> Great find! I was surfing Youtube earlier and I missed this 
> one...Yeah, I just don't see how these are man-made...
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,

2006-08-25 Thread hermandan0
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- Alex Stanley 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > I don't usually remember my dreams, but I did the
> > > other day. I dreamed
> > > that I was sitting in the kitchen, eating a shallow,
> > > wide bowl of
> > > cream soup, and Carrie, one of our little white
> > > cats, was sitting *in*
> > > the soup and bent over, licking it up, at the same
> > > time that I was
> > > also eating from the bowl with a spoon. And, it was
> > > all perfectly normal.
> > 
> > Last night I dreamt that I was working out the drum
> > part for three Lithuainian girls dressed in native
> > costumes singing a Christian hymn in one of those
> > unusual harmonies. My wife was dreaming that a brown
> > snake with a chipped fang was trying to bite her.
> > 
> > And your dream was.. 
> > 
> I dreamt I was driving someplace with my partner up a winding road 
> in the snow, with pine trees lining the road, only it was in a '67 
> dodge dart station wagon I owned years ago. I've been on that road 
> before, as I tend to revisit places in my dreams. The next thing I 
> knew I was out of the car, sledding down the road on a piece of 
> foam, until I made my way up a ravine between a house and a bush. A 
> dog barked, and I barked back, which woke me up.
> 
> And your dream was...
>

I was dreaming I was sleeping in Rosie's bed.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : "All applicants come NOW."--Maharishi /& Guidelines?

2006-08-25 Thread Sal Sunshine
Too bad nobody ever tried accusing the accusers.

Sal


On Aug 25, 2006, at 4:10 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

> on 8/23/06 7:34 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Those weren't the kinds of records I was talking about, obviously.
>  >
>  > Any dirt on anyone I'm sure they'd keep somewhere, even any alleged 
> dirt.  
>
> Very true. I know people who were accused of having done something 
> (such as organizing to bring saints to town) by someone who just 
> wanted to make life difficult for them. They hadn’t done the thing, 
> but they had their badge pulled nonetheless. They weren’t told who 
> their accuser was or shown any evidence of the thing they were accused 
> of having done. Just the fact that they were accused was enough to 
> keep them out of the dome for a couple of years. This sort of thing 
> used to happen around MMY too. If someone brought to his attention 
> that so-and-so had done something, he considered it the person’s karma 
> that they were being accused, whether or not they had actually done 
> the thing, and that was enough to get them sent home. 


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[FairfieldLife] I find this depressing...

2006-08-25 Thread shempmcgurk
I found this article depressing because it reveals how much a 
blackjack dealer makes in a year.

-

Wynn alters rules on tips 

Plan for sharing gratuities upsets casino's dealers 

By HOWARD STUTZ
GAMING WIRE 

Steve Wynn
The Wynn Las Vegas chief told table game workers personally, 
official says

 
A restructuring of how Wynn Las Vegas manages its casino soon will 
leave many dealers there a little lighter in the wallet.

Starting Sept. 1, table game supervisors will share in the tips 
earned by dealers, a move gaming industry insiders said is unheard 
of along the Strip.

Advertisement 
 
"This amounts to money out of my pocket to pay other employees," 
said one dealer, a 14-year veteran who has worked at the $2.7 
billion Wynn Las Vegas since it opened in April 2005. 

"It will cause a lot of disgruntled dealers. You're taking frontline 
people and making them unhappy." 

The change will cause him to lose at least $30,000 a year in tip 
earnings, he said.

Wynn Resorts Ltd. Chairman Steve Wynn and other executives told 
table game employees of the pending changes Monday night.

Wynn had been in China working on preparations for next month's 
opening of the $1 billion Wynn Macau. But he thought the issue was 
important enough to make a 15-hour flight to Las Vegas to tell his 
workers personally, Wynn Las Vegas President Andrew Pascal said 
Tuesday.

A widening disparity between the wages earned by dealers and casino 
floor supervisors caused the Strip casino to alter the structure of 
its table games division, Pascal said.

Starting next week, pit bosses and floor supervisors will be known 
as "casino service team leaders." Their responsibilities will cover 
the operations of specific table games, including game protection 
and customer service. The new plan will be phased in over several 
weeks.

Gaming Control Board sources said Tuesday they were unaware of any 
changes in policy at Wynn Las Vegas. 

A source said the casino had applied to change some of its table 
game internal controls but did not advise gaming regulators about 
what modifications were being requested.

The most controversial part of the restructuring is a change in 
compensation. 

Pascal said that Wynn Las Vegas dealers are the highest- paid 
dealers in the city, averaging about $100,000 per year in salary and 
tip earnings. But the employees supervising dealers average about 
$60,000 a year in salary, Pascal said.

"Because of our property, that disparity has gotten wider," Pascal 
said, citing Wynn's emphasis on high-end play as one reason its 
dealers' tokes are larger than most Strip properties. "There was no 
incentive in the division to advance and grow.

"Everybody wanted to become dealers," he added.

Dealers who split tips by shifts now will share those tokes with 
team leaders and supervisors, who also will receive a boost in base 
salary.

The result, Pascal said, will be dealers earning an average of 
$90,000 annually while supervisors will be paid $95,000.

"We're still going to have the highest-paid dealers on the Strip," 
Pascal said. "What it does is rebalances the structure of our table 
games division and gives a person an incentive to take on more 
responsibility."

But dealers said sharing tokes with supervisors is unfair. 

Writing anonymously on the dealers Internet forum, 
CasinoDealers.net, several Wynn employees said they were 
disappointed that their paychecks could be reduced by an estimated 
10 percent to 20 percent.

Some said they were upset by the short notice before the changes 
take effect; others said they will apply for different positions to 
avoid a pay cut.

"We will continue to go to work, smile, and do our jobs to the best 
of our ability. We have no choice," one Wynn dealer wrote.

"The image of 'Steve Wynn' convinced us we were safe, but the image 
was just a mirage. I think I will be applying for a 'team leader' 
position to minimize the financial damage that lies ahead."

Another dealer wrote that Wynn Las Vegas mismanaged its staff and is 
forcing line employees to share in the burden.

"They say that it is because they think it's only 'right' for 
supervisors to make more than dealers because this is how things are 
in other industries," the dealer wrote. "Well, dealers making more 
than supervisors is how it has always been in this industry and this 
didn't become the 'right' thing to do until Wynn failed miserably to 
make their employees happy."

MGM Mirage spokesman Alan Feldman said examples exist throughout the 
gaming industry of entry-level managers earning far less than the 
line workers they oversee. Bartenders and cocktail waitresses 
sometimes earn more than the assistant beverage manager.

"The management positions are on a completely different career path 
than the line employees," Feldman said.

Harrah's Entertainment spokesman David Strow said that historically 
at Harrah's-owned properties, including the upscale Caesars Palace, 
supervisors do not share in the tip

[FairfieldLife] Re: : "All applicants come NOW."--Maharishi /& Guidelines?

2006-08-25 Thread Paul Mason
Makes me glad I never got too close to him... Sounds like a total 
plonker!!!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 8/23/06 7:34 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >> > Those weren't the kinds of records I was talking about, 
obviously.
> >> > 
> >> > Any dirt on anyone I'm sure they'd keep somewhere, even any 
alleged dirt.
> > 
> Very true. I know people who were accused of having done something 
(such as
> organizing to bring saints to town) by someone who just wanted to 
make life
> difficult for them. They hadn¹t done the thing, but they had their 
badge
> pulled nonetheless. They weren¹t told who their accuser was or 
shown any
> evidence of the thing they were accused of having done. Just the 
fact that
> they were accused was enough to keep them out of the dome for a 
couple of
> years. This sort of thing used to happen around MMY too. If someone 
brought
> to his attention that so-and-so had done something, he considered 
it the
> person¹s karma that they were being accused, whether or not they had
> actually done the thing, and that was enough to get them sent home.
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> I'm having a very strange experience. I'm listening
> to, and occasionally watching, a long (hour and a half)
> video, beautifully produced, in which a group of
> real scientists very convincingly prove that crop
> circles cannot possibly be manmade, including via
> chemical/radiological/etc. analysis of plants taken
> from the circles, and the complexity of the mathematics
> behind the patterns.  These aren't woo-woo types at
> all; they're dead serious, and they admit they really
> have no idea who or what is making the circles or how
> it's done, other than that it ain't human beans.
> 
> (There is a discussion among woo-woo types at the end,
> speculating about the extraterrestrial intelligences
> who are creating the circles.)
> 
> One of them just made the point that half-finished
> crop circles, or crop circles with mistakes, are
> never seen.
> 
> At the same time I have the video running, with one
> ear on it, I'm also reading material from the very
> elaborate Web site of two British men who claim to be
> the original circle makers, which contains detailed
> information on how they go about making the circles.
> According to them, there is now a small, elite 
> subculture of circle makers all over the world.
> 
> But see the quote from one of the circle makers at the
> end of the post.  These guys started out as garden-
> variety hoaxers, but their endeavor seems to have morphed
> into something much more significant.






It's pretty obvious to me who's been making all those crop circles.

Yup.

Barry Wright.






> 
> 
> "Scientists Prove Crop Circles Not Man Made":
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJJ-pPA2gL0
> 
> Web site of the original circle makers in England:
> http://www.circlemakers.org/
> 
> The "About" section of the Web site:
> http://www.circlemakers.org/case_history.html
> 
> "Beginners' Guide": How to make crop circles:
> http://www.circlemakers.org/guide.html
> 
> Their book, coming out shortly:
> http://www.strangeattractor.co.uk/fieldguide/
> 
> Available here:
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0954805429/
> 
> From "Alien Lightforms," an essay by by John Lundberg
> at the Circlemakers site:
> 
> The circles have become signs and portents of our time, fuelling 
> Millennial fever. They function as huge Rorschach tests writ large 
in 
> the fields of southern England, deciphered according to the belief 
> system of those who view the phenomenon. 
>  
> I'm often asked why I make crop circles. It's a difficult question 
to 
> answer, there are countless reasons for doing it. Being able to 
> construct something that many people believe to be beyond human 
> endeavour is certainly one. 
>  
> The circles-prone area of Wiltshire could be referred to as a 
psychic 
> landscape. The location of crop circles within this landscape is 
of 
> great consequence. Seeing a formation put down in just the right 
> place in relation to its surroundings adds an extra dimension to a 
> formation; it becomes more than the sum of its parts. The 
proximity 
> of many circles to established sacred sites, such as Avebury or 
> Silbury Hill, only adds to this sensation. 
>  
> In 1991, Rob Irving described the crop circles as being "temporary 
> sacred sites." Last year, we created a number of these. Many 
people 
> visited them. Some came to meditate; some came to dance; others 
came 
> to decipher, and still others came simply to view these 
> huge "...cathedral-like floor plans." Numerous visitors reported a 
> diverse assortment of anomalies associated with these sites. 
>  
> I consider the circles we've put down to be genuine. There is no 
> intention on our part to deceive. 
>  
> Our work generates response, often from other circlemakers, and 
can 
> sometimes act to catalyse a wide range of paranormal events. I 
still 
> believe there is a genuine phenomenon, but I now also believe that 
> we're a part of it. 
>  
> Working backstage with the circles has allowed me to journey into 
the 
> heart of an anomaly. It's been a real eye-opener, as well as 
> providing a fascinating sociological insight. I certainly haven't 
got 
> the whole picture yet - but I've got a much clearer one.
> 
> From "Alien Lightforms," an essay by by John Lundberg
> at the Circlemakers site:
> 
> http://www.circlemakers.org/alien.html
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: From my Inbox: Shame! Shame! Shame!

2006-08-25 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> THe TMO's new motto:  When fear no longer works, try shame.



And when fear and shame no longer work, blame the CIA...and Jimmy 
Carter...



> 
> Sal
> 
> 
> On Aug 25, 2006, at 3:39 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
> 
> > Invincible America: "SHAME ON THOSE NOT FLYING IN THE GROUP"
> >
> > URGENT MESSAGE TO ALL YOGIC FLYERS
> > IN FAIRFIELD/MAHARISHI VEDIC CITY
> > "SHAME ON THOSE NOT FLYING IN THE GROUP"
> > JOIN THE COURSE!
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Give me your dunces, learning impaired, and retarded...

2006-08-25 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" 
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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > I actually like this idea of MMY's:
> > 
> > "Parents with children who are having difficulties with 
conventional 
> > learning can have their children trained in Yogic Flying, and 
> through 
> > their group practice of the technique, the children will create 
> > integrated, invincible national consciousness. "
> >
> Or disorders. I have met very many adults that has been practising 
> Yogic Flying - and really got troubles with mental disorders, and 
> physical disorders. The technique is too strong for many children. 
> Ingegerd



I would suspect that anyone that appears to develop "disorders" from 
either yogic flying or TM would have already had those innate 
disorders inside them to begin with (with the exception of certain 
physical disorders such as knee or back problems which, I concede, 
certainly may develop as a result of yogic flying).







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > These have always fascinated me because of their size, perfect 
> > > design and complexity. The artist-engineer piece of my mind 
cannot 
> > > concieve how these large designs can be made so quickly,  
> > > apparently at night, with perfect proportions, by human 
beings. 
> > > Astonishing. A true mystery.
> > 
> > I just watched this one on YouTube:
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/s67q8
> > 
> > They've gotten *way* more elaborate and refined since
> > the last time I paid any attention to them.  Some of
> > the ones in this video are unbelievably complex, and
> > quite stunningly beautiful.
> > 
> > Even if they *are* made by humans--and like Jim, I
> > have a hard time understanding how that can be the
> > case (although not from his engineering perspective)--
> > they're absolutely remarkable, truly a new art form.
> 
> Speaking of new art forms, several years ago
> I was in an arty French village on the Riviera, 
> and went into the tiny Picasso museum that they
> have there. It's more of a "He lived here once" 
> museum than anything else, and doesn't have that 
> much original art, but there was a photograph 
> there that just charmed my socks off. 
> 
> The photographer had taken a portrait of the 
> artist but using a long -- several seconds long 
> -- exposure. While the shutter was open, Picasso 
> had created a drawing of a bull in mid air, using 
> a small penlight. The drawing was perfect.


That's actually a famous photograph...I wish I could remember who 
the photographer was...


> 
> The following sites, for which I must thank my 
> brother, display the work of young Japanese 
> artists who create this same type of art, but 
> in motion. Using nothing more than a *series* 
> of still photographs created the same way, 
> with a long exposure, they are able to draw 
> *animated* figures in mid air, with using
> colored flashlights. 
> 
> I really *love* this stuff. Imagine the sense
> of *space* that the artists have to have to draw
> not only a single figure in mid air, but to draw
> a sequence of those figures in mid air, to give
> the impression of an animal walking, or a bird
> flying. I also love this stuff because it reminds
> me of a Japanese form of puppetry called bunraku.
> In bunraku, the puppets are very complex, often
> requiring the presence of three puppeteers per
> character to control them. The puppeteers are 
> onstage at all times, dressed head to toe in
> black. What makes it an artform is that after
> about five minutes you no longer see them on
> the stage. All you see is the puppets.
> 
> http://dslrblog.com/blog/chris-garrett/animated-long-exposure-
photographs/
> 
> http://tochka.jp/pikapika/2006/06/report_pikapika_in_kitijoji.html
>






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : "All applicants come NOW."--Maharishi /& Guidelines?

2006-08-25 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : "All applicants come NOW."--Maharishi  /& Guidelines?





on 8/23/06 7:34 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Those weren't the kinds of records I was talking about, obviously. 
> 
> Any dirt on anyone I'm sure they'd keep somewhere, even any alleged dirt.  

Very true. I know people who were accused of having done something (such as organizing to bring saints to town) by someone who just wanted to make life difficult for them. They hadn’t done the thing, but they had their badge pulled nonetheless. They weren’t told who their accuser was or shown any evidence of the thing they were accused of having done. Just the fact that they were accused was enough to keep them out of the dome for a couple of years. This sort of thing used to happen around MMY too. If someone brought to his attention that so-and-so had done something, he considered it the person’s karma that they were being accused, whether or not they had actually done the thing, and that was enough to get them sent home.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:

> > Even if they *are* made by humans--and like Jim, I
> > have a hard time understanding how that can be the
> > case (although not from his engineering perspective)--
> > they're absolutely remarkable, truly a new art form.
> >
> Great find! I was surfing Youtube earlier and I missed this 
> one...Yeah, I just don't see how these are man-made...

You know, when I found the CircleMakers Web site I
just posted about, at first I was kind of sad; I
thought it would take all the joy and wonder out of
the circles.

But oddly enough, it doesn't.  To think that humans
can make them is even *more* wonderful, like the
long-exposure light animations and the puppet shows
you cited.

Plus which, the circle makers themselves have an
almost mystical attitude toward their creations.
The site's really worth spending some time on.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread authfriend
I'm having a very strange experience. I'm listening
to, and occasionally watching, a long (hour and a half)
video, beautifully produced, in which a group of
real scientists very convincingly prove that crop
circles cannot possibly be manmade, including via
chemical/radiological/etc. analysis of plants taken
from the circles, and the complexity of the mathematics
behind the patterns.  These aren't woo-woo types at
all; they're dead serious, and they admit they really
have no idea who or what is making the circles or how
it's done, other than that it ain't human beans.

(There is a discussion among woo-woo types at the end,
speculating about the extraterrestrial intelligences
who are creating the circles.)

One of them just made the point that half-finished
crop circles, or crop circles with mistakes, are
never seen.

At the same time I have the video running, with one
ear on it, I'm also reading material from the very
elaborate Web site of two British men who claim to be
the original circle makers, which contains detailed
information on how they go about making the circles.
According to them, there is now a small, elite 
subculture of circle makers all over the world.

But see the quote from one of the circle makers at the
end of the post.  These guys started out as garden-
variety hoaxers, but their endeavor seems to have morphed
into something much more significant.


"Scientists Prove Crop Circles Not Man Made":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJJ-pPA2gL0

Web site of the original circle makers in England:
http://www.circlemakers.org/

The "About" section of the Web site:
http://www.circlemakers.org/case_history.html

"Beginners' Guide": How to make crop circles:
http://www.circlemakers.org/guide.html

Their book, coming out shortly:
http://www.strangeattractor.co.uk/fieldguide/

Available here:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0954805429/

>From "Alien Lightforms," an essay by by John Lundberg
at the Circlemakers site:

The circles have become signs and portents of our time, fuelling 
Millennial fever. They function as huge Rorschach tests writ large in 
the fields of southern England, deciphered according to the belief 
system of those who view the phenomenon. 
 
I'm often asked why I make crop circles. It's a difficult question to 
answer, there are countless reasons for doing it. Being able to 
construct something that many people believe to be beyond human 
endeavour is certainly one. 
 
The circles-prone area of Wiltshire could be referred to as a psychic 
landscape. The location of crop circles within this landscape is of 
great consequence. Seeing a formation put down in just the right 
place in relation to its surroundings adds an extra dimension to a 
formation; it becomes more than the sum of its parts. The proximity 
of many circles to established sacred sites, such as Avebury or 
Silbury Hill, only adds to this sensation. 
 
In 1991, Rob Irving described the crop circles as being "temporary 
sacred sites." Last year, we created a number of these. Many people 
visited them. Some came to meditate; some came to dance; others came 
to decipher, and still others came simply to view these 
huge "...cathedral-like floor plans." Numerous visitors reported a 
diverse assortment of anomalies associated with these sites. 
 
I consider the circles we've put down to be genuine. There is no 
intention on our part to deceive. 
 
Our work generates response, often from other circlemakers, and can 
sometimes act to catalyse a wide range of paranormal events. I still 
believe there is a genuine phenomenon, but I now also believe that 
we're a part of it. 
 
Working backstage with the circles has allowed me to journey into the 
heart of an anomaly. It's been a real eye-opener, as well as 
providing a fascinating sociological insight. I certainly haven't got 
the whole picture yet - but I've got a much clearer one.

>From "Alien Lightforms," an essay by by John Lundberg
at the Circlemakers site:

http://www.circlemakers.org/alien.html







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Re: [FairfieldLife] From my Inbox: Shame! Shame! Shame!

2006-08-25 Thread Sal Sunshine
THe TMO's new motto:  When fear no longer works, try shame.

Sal


On Aug 25, 2006, at 3:39 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:

> Invincible America: "SHAME ON THOSE NOT FLYING IN THE GROUP"
>
> URGENT MESSAGE TO ALL YOGIC FLYERS
> IN FAIRFIELD/MAHARISHI VEDIC CITY
> "SHAME ON THOSE NOT FLYING IN THE GROUP"
> JOIN THE COURSE!



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> wrote:
> 
> > These have always fascinated me because of their size, perfect 
> > design and complexity. The artist-engineer piece of my mind 
cannot 
> > concieve how these large designs can be made so quickly, 
apparently 
> > at night, with perfect proportions, by human beings. 
Astonishing. A 
> > true mystery.
> 
> I just watched this one on YouTube:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/s67q8
> 
> They've gotten *way* more elaborate and refined since
> the last time I paid any attention to them.  Some of
> the ones in this video are unbelievably complex, and
> quite stunningly beautiful.
> 
> Even if they *are* made by humans--and like Jim, I
> have a hard time understanding how that can be the
> case (although not from his engineering perspective)--
> they're absolutely remarkable, truly a new art form.
>
Great find! I was surfing Youtube earlier and I missed this 
one...Yeah, I just don't see how these are man-made...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Give me your dunces, learning impaired, and retarded...

2006-08-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > I actually like this idea of MMY's:
> > 
> > "Parents with children who are having difficulties with 
conventional 
> > learning can have their children trained in Yogic Flying, and 
> through 
> > their group practice of the technique, the children will create 
> > integrated, invincible national consciousness. "
> >
> Or disorders. I have met very many adults that has been practising 
> Yogic Flying - and really got troubles with mental disorders, and 
> physical disorders. The technique is too strong for many children. 
> Ingegerd

I tend to agree- although I always got great results, I found the 
technique exceptionally powerful, and difficult to stay grounded 
efterwards.






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[FairfieldLife] From my Inbox: Shame! Shame! Shame!

2006-08-25 Thread Alex Stanley
Invincible America: "SHAME ON THOSE NOT FLYING IN THE GROUP"

URGENT MESSAGE TO ALL YOGIC FLYERS
IN FAIRFIELD/MAHARISHI VEDIC CITY
"SHAME ON THOSE NOT FLYING IN THE GROUP"
JOIN THE COURSE!
Dear Governors and Sidhas of Fairfield and Maharishi Vedic City,

As Yogic Flyers, we have all been supremely blessed by Maharishi with
the knowledge and technologies to rise to enlightenment—to enjoy
better health, greater success in business, and more fulfillment at
home. And yet, as Maharishi has said, with this knowledge comes a
responsibility: We must use the knowledge for the good of humanity.

I offer my deepest, most heartfelt gratitude to everyone who is
gathering in the flying halls to raise America to invincibility and to
transform the world. I know many of you have come from hundreds, even
thousands, of miles away to be here despite significant personal and
professional difficulties. I congratulate you on your commitment and
your priorities.

But there are still hundreds of Yogic Flyers in Fairfield and
Maharishi Vedic City who are not in the flying halls. To those of you,
I must be honest; I must use this strong language: Shame. Shame. You
know better. You know what your individual participation in the group
can do to reduce the violence and lift the pain and suffering of
millions and billions of people in the world.

I have researched the Maharishi Effect for decades. I have worked
alongside nonmeditating scientists and statisticians to crunch the
numbers. Our findings have been published in top, peer-reviewed
scientific journals. The results show the absolutely dramatic effect
each additional Yogic Flyer makes in spreading peace to larger and
larger populations of the world.

Every Yogic Flyer in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City is needed in the
flying halls now. Yes, you have a responsibility to ensure that your
family is happy and healthy and strong. But you have an equally
profound responsibility to your world family. You can do both. Make it
a priority and Nature will support.

Register today with the Invincible America Course office: 641-472-1230.

Jai Guru Dev
John Hagelin






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > These have always fascinated me because of their size, perfect 
> > > design and complexity. The artist-engineer piece of my mind 
cannot 
> > > concieve how these large designs can be made so quickly,  
> > > apparently at night, with perfect proportions, by human 
beings. 
> > > Astonishing. A true mystery.
> > 
> > I just watched this one on YouTube:
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/s67q8
> > 
> > They've gotten *way* more elaborate and refined since
> > the last time I paid any attention to them.  Some of
> > the ones in this video are unbelievably complex, and
> > quite stunningly beautiful.
> > 
> > Even if they *are* made by humans--and like Jim, I
> > have a hard time understanding how that can be the
> > case (although not from his engineering perspective)--
> > they're absolutely remarkable, truly a new art form.
> 
> Speaking of new art forms, several years ago
> I was in an arty French village on the Riviera, 
> and went into the tiny Picasso museum that they
> have there. It's more of a "He lived here once" 
> museum than anything else, and doesn't have that 
> much original art, but there was a photograph 
> there that just charmed my socks off. 
> 
> The photographer had taken a portrait of the 
> artist but using a long -- several seconds long 
> -- exposure. While the shutter was open, Picasso 
> had created a drawing of a bull in mid air, using 
> a small penlight. The drawing was perfect.
> 
> The following sites, for which I must thank my 
> brother, display the work of young Japanese 
> artists who create this same type of art, but 
> in motion. Using nothing more than a *series* 
> of still photographs created the same way, 
> with a long exposure, they are able to draw 
> *animated* figures in mid air, with using
> colored flashlights. 
> 
> I really *love* this stuff. Imagine the sense
> of *space* that the artists have to have to draw
> not only a single figure in mid air, but to draw
> a sequence of those figures in mid air, to give
> the impression of an animal walking, or a bird
> flying. I also love this stuff because it reminds
> me of a Japanese form of puppetry called bunraku.
> In bunraku, the puppets are very complex, often
> requiring the presence of three puppeteers per
> character to control them. The puppeteers are 
> onstage at all times, dressed head to toe in
> black. What makes it an artform is that after
> about five minutes you no longer see them on
> the stage. All you see is the puppets.
> 
> http://dslrblog.com/blog/chris-garrett/animated-long-exposure-
photographs/
> 
> http://tochka.jp/pikapika/2006/06/report_pikapika_in_kitijoji.html
>
Wow! Thanks for sharing this! Really fun cool stuff! I am inspired- 
May have to try this myself- Absolutely love it!





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[FairfieldLife] Ethnic cleansing by Israel, an eye opener

2006-08-25 Thread johnlasher20002000
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=341600202419569830&hl=en







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Give me your dunces, learning impaired, and retarded...

2006-08-25 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > I actually like this idea of MMY's:
> > 
> > "Parents with children who are having difficulties with conventional 
> > learning can have their children trained in Yogic Flying, and 
> through 
> > their group practice of the technique, the children will create 
> > integrated, invincible national consciousness. "
> >
> Or disorders. I have met very many adults that has been practising 
> Yogic Flying - and really got troubles with mental disorders, and 
> physical disorders. The technique is too strong for many children. 
> Ingegerd
>

Aside from whatever benefit the children or the national consciousness
may recieve, learning disabled children have easier access to
government funds. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Give me your dunces, learning impaired, and retarded...

2006-08-25 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> I actually like this idea of MMY's:
> 
> "Parents with children who are having difficulties with conventional 
> learning can have their children trained in Yogic Flying, and 
through 
> their group practice of the technique, the children will create 
> integrated, invincible national consciousness. "
>
Or disorders. I have met very many adults that has been practising 
Yogic Flying - and really got troubles with mental disorders, and 
physical disorders. The technique is too strong for many children. 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> wrote:
> 
> > These have always fascinated me because of their size, perfect 
> > design and complexity. The artist-engineer piece of my mind cannot 
> > concieve how these large designs can be made so quickly,  
> > apparently at night, with perfect proportions, by human beings. 
> > Astonishing. A true mystery.
> 
> I just watched this one on YouTube:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/s67q8
> 
> They've gotten *way* more elaborate and refined since
> the last time I paid any attention to them.  Some of
> the ones in this video are unbelievably complex, and
> quite stunningly beautiful.
> 
> Even if they *are* made by humans--and like Jim, I
> have a hard time understanding how that can be the
> case (although not from his engineering perspective)--
> they're absolutely remarkable, truly a new art form.

Speaking of new art forms, several years ago
I was in an arty French village on the Riviera, 
and went into the tiny Picasso museum that they
have there. It's more of a "He lived here once" 
museum than anything else, and doesn't have that 
much original art, but there was a photograph 
there that just charmed my socks off. 

The photographer had taken a portrait of the 
artist but using a long -- several seconds long 
-- exposure. While the shutter was open, Picasso 
had created a drawing of a bull in mid air, using 
a small penlight. The drawing was perfect.

The following sites, for which I must thank my 
brother, display the work of young Japanese 
artists who create this same type of art, but 
in motion. Using nothing more than a *series* 
of still photographs created the same way, 
with a long exposure, they are able to draw 
*animated* figures in mid air, with using
colored flashlights. 

I really *love* this stuff. Imagine the sense
of *space* that the artists have to have to draw
not only a single figure in mid air, but to draw
a sequence of those figures in mid air, to give
the impression of an animal walking, or a bird
flying. I also love this stuff because it reminds
me of a Japanese form of puppetry called bunraku.
In bunraku, the puppets are very complex, often
requiring the presence of three puppeteers per
character to control them. The puppeteers are 
onstage at all times, dressed head to toe in
black. What makes it an artform is that after
about five minutes you no longer see them on
the stage. All you see is the puppets.

http://dslrblog.com/blog/chris-garrett/animated-long-exposure-photographs/

http://tochka.jp/pikapika/2006/06/report_pikapika_in_kitijoji.html








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fear of CC: Self Loathing as Spiritual Path

2006-08-25 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Such is the fear of Cosmic Cooties at this point that 
> > > > the official TM organization won't allow anyone who has 
> > > > *admitted to* any contact with either of the cootie-
> > > > infested behaviors to be part of civilzed...uh, I mean 
> > > > evolved...company. They are weeded out and sent off to 
> > > > the hell world that the TBs have been trained to believe 
> > > > awaits them.
> > > 
> > > The impression I have from the reports here is
> > > that people who have seen other saints *are*
> > > allowed to participate in the course if they
> > > sign a statement vowing never to do so again.
> > > 
> > > Not good, obviously, but at least the TMO seems to
> > > believe in the possibility of redemption.
> > 
> > Redemption from what? The *fallen state* of seeing other saints.  
> > Talk about damning with 'faint praise'. The difference between being
> > completely over the top and just being over the top. The words 'vow'
> > and 'redemption' don't belong in this path. Then again neither do
> > crowns and raja's. Bagpipes are another question entirely. :-) 
> > Things have gone so wild that all perspective has been lost.
> 
> I agree with you.  "Redemption" was meant a bit
> sardonically.
>

I didn't see it at that momment, it's hard to see loopsided smiles
thru the text, sometimes. :) I've seen quite a few people get turned 
off about TM lately after looking at the websites. It's too bad.


JohnY  






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[FairfieldLife] Give me your dunces, learning impaired, and retarded...

2006-08-25 Thread shempmcgurk


I actually like this idea of MMY's:

"Parents with children who are having difficulties with conventional 
learning can have their children trained in Yogic Flying, and through 
their group practice of the technique, the children will create 
integrated, invincible national consciousness. "






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fear of CC: Self Loathing as Spiritual Path

2006-08-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > 
> > > Such is the fear of Cosmic Cooties at this point that 
> > > the official TM organization won't allow anyone who has 
> > > *admitted to* any contact with either of the cootie-
> > > infested behaviors to be part of civilzed...uh, I mean 
> > > evolved...company. They are weeded out and sent off to 
> > > the hell world that the TBs have been trained to believe 
> > > awaits them.
> > 
> > The impression I have from the reports here is
> > that people who have seen other saints *are*
> > allowed to participate in the course if they
> > sign a statement vowing never to do so again.
> > 
> > Not good, obviously, but at least the TMO seems to
> > believe in the possibility of redemption.
> 
> Redemption from what? The *fallen state* of seeing other saints.  
> Talk about damning with 'faint praise'. The difference between being
> completely over the top and just being over the top. The words 'vow'
> and 'redemption' don't belong in this path. Then again neither do
> crowns and raja's. Bagpipes are another question entirely. :-) 
> Things have gone so wild that all perspective has been lost.

I agree with you.  "Redemption" was meant a bit
sardonically.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fear of CC: Self Loathing as Spiritual Path

2006-08-25 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> 
> > Such is the fear of Cosmic Cooties at this point that 
> > the official TM organization won't allow anyone who has 
> > *admitted to* any contact with either of the cootie-
> > infested behaviors to be part of civilzed...uh, I mean 
> > evolved...company. They are weeded out and sent off to 
> > the hell world that the TBs have been trained to believe 
> > awaits them.
> 
> The impression I have from the reports here is
> that people who have seen other saints *are*
> allowed to participate in the course if they
> sign a statement vowing never to do so again.
> 
> Not good, obviously, but at least the TMO seems to
> believe in the possibility of redemption.
> 

Redemption from what? The *fallen state* of seeing other saints.  
Talk about damning with 'faint praise'. The difference between being
completely over the top and just being over the top. The words 'vow'
and 'redemption' don't belong in this path. Then again neither do
crowns and raja's. Bagpipes are another question entirely. :-) 
Things have gone so wild that all perspective has been lost.

JohnY

> 
> > I suggest all of this as a way to help the more 
> > balanced posters here feel more compassion for some 
> > of the more strident voices among them. The angrier 
> > these voices get, the more they demonize others who 
> > think for themselves and are honest about their doubts 
> > and their "extracurricular" interests, the more angry 
> > they really are at themselves. The more they demonize 
> > these cootie-infested individuals, the more they 
> > internally demonize themselves.
> 
> Funny, I've seen very little in the way of
> "demonizing" of those with "extracurricular
> interests" here lately.  In fact, most of the
> demonizing seems to be going in the other
> direction (as in this post of Barry's).
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> wrote:
> 
> > These have always fascinated me because of their size, perfect 
> > design and complexity. The artist-engineer piece of my mind 
cannot 
> > concieve how these large designs can be made so quickly, 
apparently 
> > at night, with perfect proportions, by human beings. Astonishing. 
A 
> > true mystery.
> 
> I just watched this one on YouTube:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/s67q8
> 
> They've gotten *way* more elaborate and refined since
> the last time I paid any attention to them.  Some of
> the ones in this video are unbelievably complex, and
> quite stunningly beautiful.

Oh, and there's a nice little bonus for you guys
at the end...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> These have always fascinated me because of their size, perfect 
> design and complexity. The artist-engineer piece of my mind cannot 
> concieve how these large designs can be made so quickly, apparently 
> at night, with perfect proportions, by human beings. Astonishing. A 
> true mystery.

I just watched this one on YouTube:

http://tinyurl.com/s67q8

They've gotten *way* more elaborate and refined since
the last time I paid any attention to them.  Some of
the ones in this video are unbelievably complex, and
quite stunningly beautiful.

Even if they *are* made by humans--and like Jim, I
have a hard time understanding how that can be the
case (although not from his engineering perspective)--
they're absolutely remarkable, truly a new art form.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108"  
> wrote:

> > I have a video which features it. It's quite a remarkable film, 
> > showing the lights manifesting the pattern. You should be able to 
> > find if you search the sites dedicated to cropcircles.
> >
> Thanks- I'll have a look.

The first crop circles video listed on YouTube 
looks as though it may be what nablus is
describing.

However, in the comments, a couple of people
point out that the person who made the video
has admitted that he faked it.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Go to google videos and type in crop circles. Several
> videos.

YouTube has 130 of 'em.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,

2006-08-25 Thread Peter


--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> on 8/25/06 11:21 AM, shempmcgurk at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > 
> >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >> 
> >> > , bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > 
> >> > [snip]
> >> > 
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> Hagelin and cronies are barring people from
> the dome for visiting
> >>> >> others seen as competition for the hearts and
> minds of TMers, but
> >>> >> Hagelin is proud of his association with
> Ramtha, was in a movie
> >>> >> produced by and featuring this obvious hoax,
> and tours the country
> >>> >> with what the MUM publicity team terms the
> "prestigious" Phophets
> >>> >> conference:
> >> > 
> >> > [snip]
> >> > 
> >> > Here's an idea:
> >> > 
> >> > Every few years we inevitably read the same
> human interest story in
> >> > the paper where some guy goes down to the DMV
> and gets his dog a
> >> > driver's license (in my 51 years I've seen this
> same story done at
> >> > least 4 times in different locales at different
> times).
> >> > 
> >> > Someone should do something similar with
> Hagelin:
> >> > 
> >> > Apply to the Invincibility course and put down
> on their application
> >> > the exact same relationships with Ramtha and
> activities that Hagelin
> >> > has had.
> >> > 
> >> > And let's see if they are accepted or rejected
> from the course!
> > 
> >  
> Walter Day did a thing a some years back where he
> cut out photos of Bevan,
> Gregg Wilson, Kurleigh King, etc., from some
> publication and pasted them on
> his dome badge. Day after day, he got into the dome
> this way. Finally they
> caught him using the Kurleigh King photo (Kurleigh
> King was black). A few
> days later he was sitting in the small group
> security check with Gregg
> Wilson and Gregg said, ³Uh, Walter, we understand
> you¹ve been pasting our
> photos on your dome badge.² Walter started getting
> nervous, but then Gregg
> said, ³Don¹t worry. We thought it was funny.²

I got to know Greg a little when Purusha first started
in DC. He's got a very, very dry sense of humor. He
seems quite serious but he's not.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,

2006-08-25 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,





on 8/25/06 11:21 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  
> , bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
>> 
>> Hagelin and cronies are barring people from the dome for visiting 
>> others seen as competition for the hearts and minds of TMers, but 
>> Hagelin is proud of his association with Ramtha, was in a movie 
>> produced by and featuring this obvious hoax, and tours the country 
>> with what the MUM publicity team terms the "prestigious" Phophets 
>> conference:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> Here's an idea:
> 
> Every few years we inevitably read the same human interest story in 
> the paper where some guy goes down to the DMV and gets his dog a 
> driver's license (in my 51 years I've seen this same story done at 
> least 4 times in different locales at different times).
> 
> Someone should do something similar with Hagelin:
> 
> Apply to the Invincibility course and put down on their application 
> the exact same relationships with Ramtha and activities that Hagelin 
> has had.
> 
> And let's see if they are accepted or rejected from the course!

 
Walter Day did a thing a some years back where he cut out photos of Bevan, Gregg Wilson, Kurleigh King, etc., from some publication and pasted them on his dome badge. Day after day, he got into the dome this way. Finally they caught him using the Kurleigh King photo (Kurleigh King was black). A few days later he was sitting in the small group security check with Gregg Wilson and Gregg said, “Uh, Walter, we understand you’ve been pasting our photos on your dome badge.” Walter started getting nervous, but then Gregg said, “Don’t worry. We thought it was funny.”

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It is not fear, but love, that creates law and order.

2006-08-25 Thread Sal Sunshine
Careful, Rick, or you'll get us sent back to the porno section.

Sal


On Aug 25, 2006, at 10:30 AM, Rick Archer wrote:

> Size doesn’t matter.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fear of CC: Self Loathing as Spiritual Path

2006-08-25 Thread Sal Sunshine
Welcome back, Barry.   Have a cappuccino and a croissant, on us. :)

Sal


On Aug 25, 2006, at 2:46 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

> On returning from my Road Trip, I spent about an hour
> "catching up," and I thank those who encouraged me to stick
> around. I've decided to take you up on the offer, at least
> for a little while, and with some self-imposed restrictions.
> I plan to spend a maximum of 20 minutes a day :-) reading
> FFL, and then to do so very, very selectively, reading only
> what catches my eye, and avoiding those posters whom time
> has proven a waste of time. If I post, it will be as an
> exercise in writing, not as a prelude to or an invitation
> to argue.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread Peter
Go to google videos and type in crop circles. Several
videos.

--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> on 8/25/06 10:56 AM, nablus108 at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> >> > I have a video which features it. It's quite a
> remarkable film,
> >> > showing the lights manifesting the pattern. You
> should be able to
> >> > find if you search the sites dedicated to
> cropcircles.
> > 
> What is it called?
> 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,

2006-08-25 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  
> wrote:
> > 
> > > > > I remain unconvinced that Carter is a good counter-example.
> > > > > He's a pacifist, but he's still intolerant.
> > > > 
> > > > Well, he's not a pacifist by any stretch of the
> > > > imagination.
> > > > 
> > > > And what exactly do you believe he's intolerant
> > > > *of*?
> > > 
> > > TM, alcohol in the White House, anything that offends his
> > > religious sensibilities that he has direct control of.
> > 
> > Like most of us, I would imagine.
> > 
> > He's also intolerant of a lot of things he has no
> > direct control of, such as racial, religious, and
> > gender discrimination, discrimination against gays
> > and lesbians, human rights violations of all kinds,
> > blurring the line between church and state, not
> > taking care of the poor, etc., etc.
> > 
> > Frankly, I don't mind a bit of intolerance on his
> > part about things I'm tolerant of, as long as he's
> > intolerant about the kinds of things I listed above.
> > 
> > I'd be really interested to hear why he was so
> > intolerant of TM.  My *guess* is that he was
> > convinced MMY was pushing Hinduism in disguise,
> > and that what he didn't like was the perceived
> > deception.  If MMY had openly promoted Hinduism,
> > I doubt he'd have objected.  Certainly there were
> > plenty of others promoting it that didn't draw
> > his wrath.
> > 
> > As I said, he does have his blind spots, and this
> > was one of the worse ones.  But he got such high
> > marks in so many other areas, I'm willing to
> > forgive him for it.
> >
> That peanutfellow sent armed men into Sonnenberg. But I'll forgive 
> him. He didn't accomplish what he tried anyway; to kill Maharishi.


Fuck you, Nablus.

Provide proof or simply shut the fuck up, you creepy cult-infested 
vermin.

I'm the last person on Earth who could be called a fan of Jimmy 
Carter but it's the lowest, most vile form of slander to suggest 
that someone did something like what you accuse him of without even 
a shred of evidence.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread Peter


--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> on 8/25/06 10:56 AM, nablus108 at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> >> > I have a video which features it. It's quite a
> remarkable film,
> >> > showing the lights manifesting the pattern. You
> should be able to
> >> > find if you search the sites dedicated to
> cropcircles.
> > 
> What is it called?

Sucker




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,

2006-08-25 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:


[snip]

> 
> Hagelin and cronies are barring people from the dome for visiting 
> others seen as competition for the hearts and minds of TMers, but 
> Hagelin is proud of his association with Ramtha, was in a movie 
> produced by and featuring this obvious hoax, and tours the country 
> with what the MUM publicity team terms the "prestigious" Phophets 
> conference:

[snip]

Here's an idea:

Every few years we inevitably read the same human interest story in 
the paper where some guy goes down to the DMV and gets his dog a 
driver's license (in my 51 years I've seen this same story done at 
least 4 times in different locales at different times).

Someone should do something similar with Hagelin:

Apply to the Invincibility course and put down on their application 
the exact same relationships with Ramtha and activities that Hagelin 
has had.

And let's see if they are accepted or rejected from the course!






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,

2006-08-25 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 8/24/06 4:45 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > How loopy is Ramtha?:
> > 
> I have a friend who was in Ramtha for 8 years, and who left, as did 
many
> others, when they all started drinking. The entire gang, JZ Knight 
included,
> would get plastered regularly because Ramtha recommended it. Many 
became
> raging alcoholics.


Hah! How convenient.

Of course, with his DWI, Hagelin would fit right in!






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  
wrote:
> > >
> > > on 8/25/06 2:23 AM, nablus108 at nablus108@ wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >> > 
> > > >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > >> 
> > > >> > , Rick Archer  wrote:
> > > >>> >> 
> > > >>> >> on 8/24/06 9:54 PM, matrixmonitor at matrixmonitor@ 
wrote:-
> -
> > -
> > >  >>> 
> > > >> > 
> > > >  
> > > >> > 
> > 
> 
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2006/etchilhampton/etchilhampton20
> > 06a
> > > >> > .html
> > > >> > 
> > > >> > Crop designs have reached a new level of 
> > sophistication this
> > > >> > season.
> > >  >>> 
> > > >>> >> How come most of these happen in the UK? Has anyone 
ever 
> > been caught
> > > >> > in the
> > > >>> >> act of making one?
> > > >> > 
> > > >> > It has been filmed. Small lights in the size of 
> approximately 
> > a
> > > >> > football creates the design within seconds.
> > > 
> > > Let¹s see a film on YouTube or someplace.
> > >
> > I was thinking the same thing. Nablus or anyone, do you know of 
a 
> > film of these things, accessible on line?
> 
> I have a video which features it. It's quite a remarkable film, 
> showing the lights manifesting the pattern. You should be able to 
> find if you search the sites dedicated to cropcircles.
>
Thanks- I'll have a look.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.





on 8/25/06 10:56 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I have a video which features it. It's quite a remarkable film, 
> showing the lights manifesting the pattern. You should be able to 
> find if you search the sites dedicated to cropcircles.

What is it called?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,

2006-08-25 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  wrote:
> 
> > But to claim that there is some current and persistent government 
> > campaign against the TMO without any evidence (and there is plenty 
> > of evidence that the govt gives millions to the TMO and MUM in 
grant 
> > money, etc) is just the sign of a defective brain and personality.
> 
> It would probably be interesting to know *why* Hagelin
> asserted there were dirty government dealings involving
> TM, before dismissing his claims out of hand.


I would agree with you if these revelations came out last week.

But for God's sake, these CIA insinuations have been going on now for 
the better part of 25 years.  Enough already!  Give me proof -- some 
proof -- or shut the fuck up (not you, Judy, but those that make the 
insinuations).







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,

2006-08-25 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 8/25/06 1:21 AM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> >> > But to claim that there is some current and persistent 
government
> >> > campaign against the TMO without any evidence (and there is 
plenty
> >> > of evidence that the govt gives millions to the TMO and MUM 
in grant
> >> > money, etc) is just the sign of a defective brain and 
personality.
> > 
> They government is huge and internal communications are sloppy. It 
is not
> unlikely that one branch is giving money while another is hassling 
the
> movement. When I was teaching in DC soon after Jonestown, I¹m 
quite sure our
> phones were tapped.


Just to put things in perspective (now that you've invoked 
Jonestown): my best friend went down to Guyana to teach TM for over 
a year in '78-79 and was there when Jonestown happened.  According 
to him, the communist dictator running the country and his 
government thought the TMers were all CIA agents.

Kooks are quick to assume the CIA are interested enough in them to 
start tapping their phones.  We all like to think that what we're 
doing is important enough that large, powerful governments are going 
to spend money, time and resources to listen in on what we're doing.

It's sad that MMY puts himself in the same category as dictators and 
disreputable cult leaders (who all, by the way, inevitably start 
blaming the CIA when their cults get bad publicity).






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[FairfieldLife] Flu Shots Increase Chances of Alzheimer's?

2006-08-25 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Flu Shots Increase Chances of Alzheimer's?





A friend writes:

Rick, someone sent this to me.  Sounds like an Urban Legend but it's not on snopes.  Is there any other authority that might know?

My Mother in 2004 she died from Alzheimer‚s. She did take Flu shots and also cooked her food in aluminum pans. Last year I received this document. What makes me really angry is that this Flu shot is now given to 6 month old babies.
Please save this document for you to pass it on to every one.
To your health
Keytohealth
Robert0
 http://www.vaclib.org  (vaccine exemption forms)
 
Flu Shots Increase Chances of Alzheimer‚s
Should You Get A Flu Shot?
By Dr Sherri Tenpenny http://www.nmaseminars.com  
 
Alzheimer's Disease A serious concern: Hugh Fudenberg, MD, an immunogeneticist and biologist with nearly 850 papers published in peer review journals, has reported that if an individual had five consecutive flu shots between 1970 and 1980 (the years studied), his/her chances of getting Alzheimer's Disease is ten times higher than if they had zero, one, or two shots.[vii]
 
Dr. Boyd Haley, Professor and Chair of the Department of Chemistry at the University of Kentucky, Lexington has done extensive research in the area of mercury toxicity and the brain. Haley's research has established a likely connection between mercury toxicity and Alzheimer's disease. [viii] In a paper published in collaboration with researchers at University of Calgary, Haley stated that "seven of the characteristic markers that we look for to distinguish Alzheimer's disease can be produced in normal brain tissues, or cultures of neurons, by the addition of extremely low levels of mercury."[ix]
 
Does this prove that the mercury contained in the influenza shot can be directly linked to Alzheimer's? No, absolutely not. But further research in this area is critically needed because the absence of proof is not the "proof of absence."[x]
 
Flu vaccine now for children: The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) adopted a resolution effective March 1, 2003 that expanded the use of the influenza vaccine to include children aged 6-23 months. The recommendations also included vaccinating those aged 2 to 18 years who live in households containing children younger than 2 years of age.[xi]
 
The flu vaccine most commonly given to children is Fluzone>, a trivalent vaccine grown in chicken eggs. Harvested with formaldehyde and containing the recommended ratio of 15 ug of each of the three prototype viral strains, each dose of Fluzone> also contains 25 ug of mercury.[xii] The new CDC recommendations include giving the influenza vaccine to children beginning at six months of age and then annually, for the rest of their lives. Children less than age 9 receiving their first flu shot, two doses of vaccine are recommended, with a minimum interval of one month between the two doses. However, the CDC does not provide a direct reference to substantiate this recommendation.[xiii] On June 17, 2003, the FDA approved an intranasal influenza vaccine for use in healthy persons aged 5-49 years. Flumist> is a live-virus vaccine that can cause a litany of problems. (for further information on FluMist)
 
What's in a flu shot? : During the manufacturing process, antibiotics (neomycin, polymyxin B and gentamicin) are added to eliminate stray bacteria found in the mixture. The final solution can contain the following additives in any combination: Triton X-100 (a detergent); polysorbate 80 (a potential carcinogen); gelatin; formaldehyde; and residual egg proteins. In addition, many of the influenza vaccines still contain Thimerosal as a preservative. Thimerosal (mercury) is being investigated for its link to brain injury and autoimmune disease.
 
Alternatives? If you choose not to receive the flu shot, have a discussion with your doctor regarding other options. However, some simple and possibly quite effective things you can do for yourself to prevent the flu include: 1) avoid White Sugar   ;[xiv] 2) exercise regularly; 3) get adequate sleep; 4) eat a healthy diet, omitting trans-fats; 5) drink plenty of purified water daily and 6) wash your hands. A common way people contract viral illnesses is by rubbing their nose or their eyes after their hands have been contaminated with a virus. The CDC states, "the most important thing you can do to keep from getting sick is to wash your hands."[xv]
 
Making the decision : You may decide to consult a physician who is schooled in alternative medicine to assess a variety of options for you and your family. What is most important, in the end, is to become as informed as possible regarding your options for keeping healthy and avoiding the flu.
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,

2006-08-25 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> > wrote:
> > >

[snip]

> 
> Well, Mr. Peanut, our beloved Prez Jimmy (my sister was a faith-
> healer) Carter, did have a hard-on against TM and did task the 
intel 
> community to get the dirt on the TMO,


Two things come to mind when I read this:

1) (and I'm repeating myself here) Where is the proof that he 
actually did this...freedom of information act?  Please show me 
something other than repeating rumour...

2) Even if Carter or some other U.S. president or even some 
underling in the U.S. government did observe and gather info on the 
TMO, what's wrong with that?  As long as the info-gathering was done 
legally, is there anything implicitly wrong with gathering info on 
an organisation that claims to be able to solve all the problems of 
mankind and can show you how to levitate?  Perhaps the argument can 
be made that a U.S. president that DIDN'T investigate such claims 
weren't doing their job properly.

There's two issues here: snooping on the TMO and whether there was 
impropriety in the snooping if indeed snooping took place.

I haven't seen evidence of either the former or the latter.







> but given the near-total 
> incompetence of American intel agencies (WMD was a "slam-dunk" in 
> Iraq said the CIA), I'm sure that nothing harmful was ever 
generated 
> by these efforts, which were undoubtedly abandoned quickly after 
> peanut head left office (Reagan and his VP Bush were both friendly 
> to the Beach Boys (Reagan lived next door to the Beach Boys in Bel 
> Air, a rich section of LA), two of who were TM teachers, which 
makes 
> it unlikely they shared Carter's antipathy).
> 
> But to claim that there is some current and persistent government 
> campaign against the TMO without any evidence (and there is plenty 
> of evidence that the govt gives millions to the TMO and MUM in 
grant 
> money, etc) is just the sign of a defective brain and personality. 
> Hagelin is clever in those parts of his brain which deal with math 
> and physics, but like an autistic savant, lacks the general 
> intelligence to keep him from doing stupid things like appearing 
in 
> a movie produced by Ramtha.
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,

2006-08-25 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 8/25/06 5:40 AM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >> >  (snip)
> >> > "Are you suggesting that the largest new age organization of 
the 70's
> >> > wasn't a target of the
> >>> >> most fanatical evangelical Christian president we'd ever 
had?"
> >> > 
> >> > I know someone who worked for the Carter campaign, and he 
said that he
> >> > felt that Jimmie, was a really spiritual guy. I always felt 
he was and
> >> > is.
> >> > I was at his library in Plains, Georgia, and it was built in 
the old
> >> > school house where he went to high school;
> >> > The whole thing is dedicated to one of his teachers- a woman, 
whom he
> >> > says really inspired him.
> >> > It felt very peaceful there...
> >> > Also, Carter was a peacemaker, during his Presidency and 
after.
> >> > I think they are blaming him now, for letting Kohmaini take 
over Iran,
> >> > back then; and the whole hostage thing; and the whole thing 
that put
> >> > Reagan in the WH.
> >> > Hell, Carter, was even going to leagalize marijuana...can you 
imagine?
> >> > R.G.
> 
> I was told by Dr. Margaret Brenman-Gibson, who had a close friend 
in
> Carter's
> inner circle, that he vowed privately while campaigning that if 
elected, he
> would
> do everything in his power to thwart the TMO.




Interesting comment...and it's a perfect example of how an alleged 
comment gets all blown out of proportion by folks like Hagelin who 
then make it into some sort of sinister thing, such as the quote 
that Brigante provided us.

Again, where's the proof that anything was actually done?

The fact is, Carter wouldn't have had to do anything.

If I were Carter (who came into power in January 1977) and I was 
actually intent upon entering office of using "everything in my 
power" to thwart the TMO, I would not have done anything.  Why?  
Because a few short months later, MMY and the TMO came out with the 
flying thing publicly.  All Carter would have had to say to himself 
is: these nutcases just self-destructed...now I don't have to do 
anything from my side.

And he would have been right.



> Margaret was married to the
> playwright William Gibson (The Miracle Worker) and was a 
psychiatrist who
> often spoke at TM conferences in the 70's.
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,

2006-08-25 Thread nablus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  
wrote:
> 
> > > > I remain unconvinced that Carter is a good counter-example.
> > > > He's a pacifist, but he's still intolerant.
> > > 
> > > Well, he's not a pacifist by any stretch of the
> > > imagination.
> > > 
> > > And what exactly do you believe he's intolerant
> > > *of*?
> > 
> > TM, alcohol in the White House, anything that offends his
> > religious sensibilities that he has direct control of.
> 
> Like most of us, I would imagine.
> 
> He's also intolerant of a lot of things he has no
> direct control of, such as racial, religious, and
> gender discrimination, discrimination against gays
> and lesbians, human rights violations of all kinds,
> blurring the line between church and state, not
> taking care of the poor, etc., etc.
> 
> Frankly, I don't mind a bit of intolerance on his
> part about things I'm tolerant of, as long as he's
> intolerant about the kinds of things I listed above.
> 
> I'd be really interested to hear why he was so
> intolerant of TM.  My *guess* is that he was
> convinced MMY was pushing Hinduism in disguise,
> and that what he didn't like was the perceived
> deception.  If MMY had openly promoted Hinduism,
> I doubt he'd have objected.  Certainly there were
> plenty of others promoting it that didn't draw
> his wrath.
> 
> As I said, he does have his blind spots, and this
> was one of the worse ones.  But he got such high
> marks in so many other areas, I'm willing to
> forgive him for it.
>
That peanutfellow sent armed men into Sonnenberg. But I'll forgive 
him. He didn't accomplish what he tried anyway; to kill Maharishi.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread nablus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> >
> > on 8/25/06 2:23 AM, nablus108 at nablus108@ wrote:
> > > 
> > >> > 
> > >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > >> 
> > >> > , Rick Archer  wrote:
> > >>> >> 
> > >>> >> on 8/24/06 9:54 PM, matrixmonitor at matrixmonitor@ wrote:-
-
> -
> >  >>> 
> > >> > 
> > >  
> > >> > 
> 
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2006/etchilhampton/etchilhampton20
> 06a
> > >> > .html
> > >> > 
> > >> > Crop designs have reached a new level of 
> sophistication this
> > >> > season.
> >  >>> 
> > >>> >> How come most of these happen in the UK? Has anyone ever 
> been caught
> > >> > in the
> > >>> >> act of making one?
> > >> > 
> > >> > It has been filmed. Small lights in the size of 
approximately 
> a
> > >> > football creates the design within seconds.
> > 
> > Let¹s see a film on YouTube or someplace.
> >
> I was thinking the same thing. Nablus or anyone, do you know of a 
> film of these things, accessible on line?

I have a video which features it. It's quite a remarkable film, 
showing the lights manifesting the pattern. You should be able to 
find if you search the sites dedicated to cropcircles.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.

2006-08-25 Thread nablus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- nablus108  wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > on 8/24/06 9:54 PM, matrixmonitor at
> > > matrixmonitor@ wrote:---
> > > > > 
> > > > >> > 
> > > > >> 
> > >
> > 
> 
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2006/etchilhampton/etchilhampton20
> 06a
> > > .html
> > > > >> > 
> > > > >> > Crop designs have reached a new level of
> > > sophistication this 
> > > season.
> > > > > 
> > > > How come most of these happen in the UK? Has
> > > anyone ever been caught 
> > > in the
> > > > act of making one?
> > > 
> > > It has been filmed. Small lights in the size of
> > > approximately a 
> > > football creates the design within seconds.
> > 
> > Please! Humans with boards tied to their feet do it!
> > 
> These have always fascinated me because of their size, perfect 
> design and complexity. The artist-engineer piece of my mind cannot 
> concieve how these large designs can be made so quickly, apparently 
> at night, with perfect proportions, by human beings. Astonishing. A 
> true mystery.
>
According to Creme they are made by ships from Mars. They are giving 
incredible knowledge in these shapes to prepare mankind for 
Maitreya's reappearance. Note that they are getting more and more 
refined and are manifested more often every year.

http://www.shareintl.org






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,

2006-08-25 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" 
 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hagelin told me he had taken it as far as he was willing to 
take 
> > it 
> > > at this time, having 
> > > > recently "stuck his neck out" quite a lot.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > That really sounds like a load -- Hagelin has made it clear 
for 
> > years 
> > > that he is one of the hardest hard-liners in insisting 
> > that "purity" 
> > > must be maintained in the domes -- I'm sure you remember his 
2001 
> > > article in the Fairfield Weekly reader:
> > > 
> > > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/funeral.html#beanie
> > 
> > 
> > Gosh, I missed that one, Bob, it's a classic.
> > 
> > I can't believe that Hagelin said the following:
> > 
> > "Finally, I discovered quite by surprise during my political 
> > campaign, that our government has been involved in some fairly 
shady 
> > practices, intended to undermine our strength and our community -
- 
> > activities that began during the Carter administration and that 
> > continue to this day. This is another reason I feel so 
protective of 
> > our precious community, against divisive influences -- no matter 
how 
> > innocent they seem. Our strength is the foundation for future 
> > generations."
> > 
> > If ever a major newspaper or media outlet does an expose on the 
TMO 
> > (and it's inevitable...the only thing that will prevent it is 
the 
> > utter non-interest in TM that exists in the world today), I'd 
love 
> > for some reporter to ask Hagelin: could you give us the 
evidence, 
> > proof or documentation of anything that will demonstrate 
> > these "shady practises", Doctor La Rouche...I mean, Hagelin?
> >
> 
> Are you suggesting that the largest new age organization of the 
70's wasn't a target of the 
> most fanatical evangelical Christian president we'd ever had?


I am suggesting that there is ZERO evidence or documentation that 
the largest new age organization of the 70's was the target of ANY 
U.S. president.

I further suggest that those that imply such a thing are themselves 
fanatics.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,

2006-08-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Carter may not have been a fan of new agey programs in
> the 70s due to personal background and political pressures,
> but that's very different from saying he ordered the CIA
> to illegally focus on infiltrating and destroying a then
> popular domestic organization.  That goes against both
> his religious and political leanings.

No doubt.  But there does seem to be pretty clear
evidence he had a special animus against TM.  I
suggested in another post that that may have been
because he thought MMY was surreptitiously trying
to convert folks to Hinduism, and it was the
perceived *deception* that angered Carter.

Speculating freely:

As far as the CIA is concerned, it wouldn't surprise
me if the CIA *did* infiltrate briefly after the
TM-Sidhis came out, not to destroy the organization
but to make sure we hadn't actually developed any
unusual abilities (there were elements in the CIA
that were very heavily into the paranormal), and if
we had, to keep the our enemies from getting hold
of them.

I suspect it would have been the invisibility claim
that would have most intrigued them because of its
potential usefulness in intelligence operations.

It's also not impossible, it seems to me, that the
CIA thought the TMO might itself be a cover for a
spying operation.  This was at the height of the
cold war, after all, and if *anybody* was paranoid,
it was the CIA.

At any rate, if either or both of these were the
case, it's not hard to see how the CIA presence
would have been connected in TMers' imaginations
with Carter's known dislike of the TMO and
understood to be a function of an attempt on his
part to destroy it, when it was actually just the
CIA doing its cold war thing.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It is not fear, but love, that creates law and order.

2006-08-25 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It is not fear, but love, that creates law and order.





on 8/25/06 9:44 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 MMY in the 23Aug2006 press conference at 
> mou.org:
 
 "It is not fear, but love, that creates law and
>> order."
 
 Never did walk his talk.
 
 
 So all he ever did was intimidate people?
> 
>>> No, but he structured an atmosphere in which there was plenty of
>>> intimidation and fear, as well as good stuff. Mixed bag.
>>> 
> 
> Unlike other spiritual organizations, eh?
>>> 
>> They’re not all dysfunctional.
>> 
> 
> What size organization are we talking about?

Size doesn’t matter.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Carter

2006-08-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
>  
> > > wrote:
> > 
> > > > Carter was a fundie nut , just like bush and bin laden. 
> > > > Get a real perspective instead of the usual brainwashed 
> american 
> > > > perspective. 
> > > > No-one outside US buys this american BS..Why do you suppose 
> that 
> > > > iscoincidence?
> > > 
> > > Guess that's why he was awarded the Nobel Peace
> > > Prize, huh?
> > > 
> > > In fact, Carter is widely respected outside the
> > > U.S., probably more so than *in* the U.S.
> > 
> > Not that he doesn't have his faults and blind spots.
> > 
> > But just for example, he was the first U.S.
> > president to speak out in support of gay rights; he
> > is an ardent conservationist and supporter of the
> > rights of women and minorities.  He has been
> > recognized internationally, via many awards and
> > honors, as a peacemaker and human rights advocate.
> > He's also a very strong supporter of the separation
> > of church and state.
> > 
> > Plus which, he has written an entire book ("Our
> > Endangered Values") condemning the socially
> > conservative agenda of today's fundamentalist
> > Christians.>>>
> 
> Ok, so as an old man he has changed,

Not really, he's been pretty consistent throughout
his public career.

 just like Billie Graham now 
> accepts other religions as legitimate. I accept Carter is a nice 
> guy, but religion poisons politics with its arrogance - and I have 
> no tolerance for it in politics.

*But he doesn't either*--never did.

>  I think that every president should have to declare out loud on 
> being inaugerated: 
> " I believe all people are equal, and that no religion or non-
> religion is superior to another, and I do not hold my own religion 
> as superior, but a means to express my feelings to God"
> 
> Or something like that.
> At the time of his inauguration GW Bush would have choked on those 
> words, because he is a fundamentalist, and I am not sure Carter 
> would have been able to say it at his innaguration either

Well,  you can't expect *any* devout Christian,
fundamentalist or otherwise, to say they don't
hold their religion as superior.  There are very
few devout religionists of any flavor who could
say that.  If they didn't believe their religion
was superior, they wouldn't follow it.

The issue is what they *do* about their belief
that the religion they follow is superior.

And if you compare Bush and Carter on that score,
Carter's actions were for the most part fully
consistent with the very best Christian principles.
whereas Bush's actions have for the most part *not*
been consistent with them.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,

2006-08-25 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> 
> > Are you suggesting that the largest new age organization of the
> > 70's wasn't a target of the most fanatical evangelical Christian 
> > president we'd ever had?
> 
> Oh, PLEASE.  Jimmy Carter is *not* a "fanatic" by any
> stretch of the imagination.  To the contrary, he embodies
> the very best of Christian fundamentalism and lives his 
> faith in a way few on this forum could claim to emulate.
> 
> That's not to say he didn't have serious problems with
> TM, but it wasn't a function of "fanticism."

Carter's most recent book completely disses the growth of fanatical
evangelical christians in the country and their influence in the Bush
admin - he argues that christians should instead focus on attempting
to emulate the life the jesus in their personal lives.

As attorney general of Ark, Clinton went along with the tm prison
program that was being developed but then withdrew that support when
he became governor due to pressure from the fundies - that's just the
political reality in the south; has nothing to do with fanaticism.

Carter may not have been a fan of new agey programs in the 70s due to
personal background and political pressures, but that's very different
from saying he ordered the CIA to illegally focus on infiltrating and
destroying a then popular domestic organization.  That goes against
both his religious and political leanings.  

No doubt someone in the govt was keeping tabs on the tmo, but the tmo
peaked in 75 and went into sharp decline and certainly wouldn't have
warrented special illegal inflitration by the late 70s.  Remember the
Church committee findings about illegal domestic spying by the CIA
came out sometime in the mid--70s and the agency was particularly
careful to stay clean then.

If anything the CIA fantasies of the tmo that came out in the late 70s
is probably its attempt to explain to itself the sharp decline in
initiations that was occuring - its belief system couldn't allow for
rational internal reasons so it had to puff itself up with being
worthy of special attention by the CIA.  Mild form of paranoid delusion.

Or maybe Roy Bachmeyer really was a James Bond???

  





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,

2006-08-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:

> > > I remain unconvinced that Carter is a good counter-example.
> > > He's a pacifist, but he's still intolerant.
> > 
> > Well, he's not a pacifist by any stretch of the
> > imagination.
> > 
> > And what exactly do you believe he's intolerant
> > *of*?
> 
> TM, alcohol in the White House, anything that offends his
> religious sensibilities that he has direct control of.

Like most of us, I would imagine.

He's also intolerant of a lot of things he has no
direct control of, such as racial, religious, and
gender discrimination, discrimination against gays
and lesbians, human rights violations of all kinds,
blurring the line between church and state, not
taking care of the poor, etc., etc.

Frankly, I don't mind a bit of intolerance on his
part about things I'm tolerant of, as long as he's
intolerant about the kinds of things I listed above.

I'd be really interested to hear why he was so
intolerant of TM.  My *guess* is that he was
convinced MMY was pushing Hinduism in disguise,
and that what he didn't like was the perceived
deception.  If MMY had openly promoted Hinduism,
I doubt he'd have objected.  Certainly there were
plenty of others promoting it that didn't draw
his wrath.

As I said, he does have his blind spots, and this
was one of the worse ones.  But he got such high
marks in so many other areas, I'm willing to
forgive him for it.








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