[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness Is The Ultimate Reality, was Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : So you're saying that an enlightened person loses the ability to descriminate between a flower and a duck? Or loses the ability to name things because they see the fundamental unity in the diversity? That reads like you've

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com The question for 'spiritually'

Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
There are some who might suggest that Judy realizing her fantasy of hooking up with Robin in Toronto would *BE* JR's predicted horrible accident. :-) :-) :-) From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Well said Barry - and I agree with every word From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 4:33 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness Well said Barry -

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness Is The Ultimate Reality, was Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Lawson, there's a wonderful tape in which someone asks Maharishi if in Unity a person could marry anyone. Maharishi laughs and then explains that differences don't disappear in Unity. It's just that they no longer dominate awareness. On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 10:43 PM,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread blue_bungalo...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... Well said Barry - and I agree with every word --- turquoiseb@... wrote : It's NOT that I'm saying that seeking spiritual experiences ISN'T valuable. I'm just pointing out that almost no one in history has ever stepped up to the plate and made an

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
When thinking about why people value certain experiences and do certain activities, I like Maslow's hierarchy of needs as a guideline. IOW, once certain basic needs are met, then a person seeks to satisfy additional needs. Which might not be higher but which might simply involve activating more

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/23/2014 3:33 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: ** For me as time went on such experiences tended to damp out, everything kind of flattened out, until one day on a walk there was this shift in which the world, as it always had been, was identical with what I had

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/23/2014 5:04 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Well said Barry - and I agree with every word /You failed to answer Barry's main question: what is the value of the spiritual life?/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
Well said Barry - and I agree with every word On 10/23/2014 5:59 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: It's NOT that I'm saying that seeking spiritual experiences ISN'T valuable. I'm just pointing out that almost no one in history has ever stepped up to the plate

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread inmadi...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]
You are very good at quoting scripture and contents of text books (and there is a value to that), but when you look to the honesty of your moment to moment experience - What do you find? Put aside traditions and ancient wisdom - they are not relevant today - today its What are you bringing to

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Tis the season of the witch

2014-10-23 Thread turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : I don't have much in the way of movies to recommend this month because most all I have been watching have been horror films. That's because I hang out with a group on a forum that tries to watch a horror film each night in October

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/23/2014 7:14 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Could it be that we're simply compelled by neural pathways in our brain that want to be activated? /According to MMY it is the nature of the mind to want to enjoy - it's only natural for anyone to want to be free

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/23/2014 9:02 AM, inmadi...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: You are very good at quoting scripture and contents of text books (and there is a value to that), but when you look to the honesty of your moment to moment experience - What do you find? /Teachers and textbooks are like

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Richard, your posts remind me of how much I appreciate David Deida and other teachers who suggest that the old ways of liberation are best suited to masculine physiologies. He also compares a soul to the light coming in from a stained glass window, which is the body. Via yoga practices we

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Richard, I also appreciate Maharishi's distinction between and enlightened person and an enlightened teacher. The person maybe popped into enlightenment while eating a strawberry. So then he or she teaches the strawberry eating technique. OTOH, an enlightened teacher has such a perspective

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I think you hit on something here I never considered. Social interaction. I do not think there is any objective measure by which one considers such experiences valuable. There are certain things I like, certain things I do not, and I go for the ones I like. While I do not know why, those things

Re: [FairfieldLife] Consciousness Is Awareness, was Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Richard, aha! Me and Sam, both over simplifiers (-: On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 7:29 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:  On 10/22/2014 4:08 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Power Places of Central Texas

2014-10-23 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/23/2014 9:05 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I thought Lost Pines burned down a couple years ago durring the drought. /Yes, unfortunately there was a fire at the Lost Pines at Bastrop, but there was no fire in the main Piney Woods, which is about 100 miles

[FairfieldLife] Re: Economists: tax the rich at 90 percent

2014-10-23 Thread marty...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
The title of the article was quite inflammatory, as usual, being HuffPo and all. It used the fact that many Americans don't understand Marginal Tax Rates to create hysterical click bait. Later in the article they fessed up. This article might help: Can moving to a higher tax bracket

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/23/2014 9:29 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, your posts remind me of how much I appreciate David Deida and other teachers who suggest that the old ways of liberation are best suited to masculine physiologies. He also compares a soul to the light

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Richard, is he saying something similar to: the Self alone unfolds the Self to the Self? That's what it sounds like to me. I think the whole thing is a big, fat paradox! On Thursday, October 23, 2014 10:17 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness I think you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economists: tax the rich at 90 percent

2014-10-23 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/23/2014 10:09 AM, marty...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The title of the article was quite inflammatory, as usual, being HuffPo and all. It used the fact that many Americans don't understand Marginal Tax Rates to create hysterical click bait. /There are very few average

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness Is The Ultimate Reality, was Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yep. I was curious about that when he said it, as I wasn't sure what sort of perceptual change would occur, perhaps even through the senses. It is actually the introduction of an ever deepening and abiding silence, inside and out, which unifies all the diversity, and even softens any negative

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/23/2014 10:36 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Two travelers are on a road, looking for Ixtlan. They ask a passing bird for directions. He gives them, then flies off. Do the travelers go in the direction he pointed them to, or not? Whatever their choice, do

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economists: tax the rich at 90 percent

2014-10-23 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
When the working class have less money to spend the economy goes into the dumps. That's why Mike's solution won't work. A lot of US businesses are having problems like McDonalds, Coke and even Starbucks keeps trying to get it's customers to come spend more. It's easy to see these signs of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
That was a great read, thanks! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I think you hit on something here I never considered. Social interaction. I do not think there is any objective measure by which one considers such experiences valuable. There are certain things I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness Is The Ultimate Reality, was Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Fleetwood, I had an experience of Unity once. But it wasn't so much about silence. It was so subtly about familiarity. Everything I was perceiving seemed so familiar to me. Not because it was known in the usual sense. But because it was as familiar to me as I am to myself. Very very subtle, yet

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Tis the season of the witch

2014-10-23 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
A lot of European horror has a dark comedy spin. US made films not so much. Cabin Fever: Patient Zero, a US film, is a comedy of errors. Elmore Leonard's shtick was to show how dumb both crooks and cops could be. The same shtick works well for horror. Too much intense suspense can be a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economists: tax the rich at 90 percent

2014-10-23 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
 And when you tax TF out of businesses and or the rich, they have less money to expand or modernize  businesses( remember the steel industry back in the 70'S)  or to give raises to their employees. You end up with fewer jobs and smaller tax base, less revenue and so the government barrows more

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economists: tax the rich at 90 percent

2014-10-23 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
I guess you just like to live in a world where you bow down to the landed gentry. That's where we're headed now. I'd rather stick a pitchfork in them. On 10/23/2014 12:15 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: And when you tax TF out of businesses and or the rich, they

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economists: tax the rich at 90 percent

2014-10-23 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
Regarding textiles, take a look at the price of underwear. Hanes and Fruit of Loom cost about twice what they did a few years back. But this is a job that could go to automation. Paying slave wages to people in third world countries to make these things is a bit retro and cruel. We now

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
WRT TM, I never got a snow job or a hard sell. In 1972, I was student teaching in a non traditional high school. One of the other student teachers explained the bubble diagram to me. Also during this time, my husband and I were doing marijuana approx 3 times a year. I wished that I could have

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economists: tax the rich at 90 percent

2014-10-23 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
That's called *biting the hand that feeds you*. Thou shalt not covet! You stick a pitchfork in them and what are you left with? Nothing but a bloody pitchfork. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economists: tax the rich at 90 percent

2014-10-23 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Everything is going up! I just got back from shopping at Academy for cloths.  Those people in third world countries probably don't consider their wages as *slave* wages, considering they are about the only jobs they've ever had, unless it was scrubbing some other man's floors. Those jobs have

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness Is The Ultimate Reality, was Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
yeah, that is what I call silence, or bliss, I don't know what else to call it - it has a lot of attributes, and you use a great word for it - familiarity. That being the case, knowledge automatically follows attention; there are no boundaries to formally navigate, between subject and object,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Like you Share, I really did not pay attention to the selling points as I had had experiences prior to TM, I was just looking for an easy way to meditate, a natural consequence of being lazy. The sell was there in the introductory and preparatory lectures and in available chart books

Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Oh wow. That makes me happy. I sent her a query via the only email address I have and never got a response. If she responds further, please say hi. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economists: tax the rich at 90 percent

2014-10-23 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
Probably the majority of Americans don't work for the rich. They work for small businesses. The people who run those aren't rich enough for a pitchfork. No biting of hand that feeds in this case. And in a networked world you don't need big businesses anymore. We're basically living in a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness Is The Ultimate Reality, was Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Well, maybe, maybe not. Pure consciousness during TM seems to be very closely aligned with EEG of the preliminary aspect of creativity found in non-meditation research on creativity, and the EEG found in really-long-term TMers (especially those participating in the Invincible America course)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
The late Skip Alexander, who used to head the Psychology Dept at MUM, co-edited a book that examined post-maslow development. He wrote the chapter on Vedic Psychology, and prominent mainstream-psychologists wrote chapters on post-Maslow, -post-Piagetian, etc., psychology. _Higher Stages

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
A slight nit: in the 40 years that Benson has been publishing his book he never, not even once, published a head-to-head study of TM vs his Relaxation Response. In fact, the criticisms that were leveled against Keith Wallace's first study apply equally well to Benson's research. And

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread nablusoss1008
Funny you mention this word. When a journalist in Vlodrop asked who are you really Maharishi, he simply said; I'm just a normal human being. Whereupon Bevan afterwards remarked; today we got a new understanding of what it means to be normal :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread nablusoss1008
I do understand why people object to Barry's toxic behavior, but that's who he is and what he does, and it has not changed. So, why keep reacting to an energy creature who seeks reaction? It's a sign of sanity ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Ok,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economists: tax the rich at 90 percent

2014-10-23 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/23/2014 2:21 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: I guess you just like to live in a world where you bow down to the landed gentry. That's where we're headed now. I'd rather stick a pitchfork in them. You want to stick a pitchfork in your landlord instead of

[FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 24-Oct-14 00:15:05 UTC

2014-10-23 Thread FFL PostCount ffl.postco...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/23/2014 11:37 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: That was a great read, thanks! /It was intersting to see how Xeno tried to enable Barry, by leaving out of the discussion all the interesting stuff Barry believes in - like karma and reincarnation. // // //What

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
It is the closest word I can think of, that describes a life of enlightenment, normal. :-). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Funny you mention this word. When a journalist in Vlodrop asked who are you really Maharishi, he simply said; I'm just a normal

[FairfieldLife] Karma

2014-10-23 Thread eustace10679
BBC - The Why Factor: Karma http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/worldservice/whyfactor/whyfactor_20141017-1845a.mp3 http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/worldservice/whyfactor/whyfactor_20141017-1845a.mp3 Millions of people believe in Karma around the world. What impact does this belief have

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Om No, MJ you misrepresent me here. I likened you and the nature of your extreme hate and behavior to be like Hamas and said I could empathize with Obama in his having to dealing with ISIS and that level of such threats for instance. I can 'understand' his position. Groups certainly have some

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/23/2014 11:37 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: That was a great read, thanks! It was intersting to see how Xeno tried to enable Barry, by leaving out of the discussion all

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economists: tax the rich at 90 percent

2014-10-23 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
You're rationalizing.  From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economists: tax the rich at 90 percent  Probably the majority of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : D: Om No, MJ you misrepresent me here. I likened you and the nature of your extreme hate M: OK, he speaks his opinions about the movement freely here... D: and behavior to be like Hamas M: His behavior is to speak his

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread blue_bungalo...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
--- punditster@... wrote : It was intersting to see how Xeno tried to enable Barry, by leaving out of the discussion all the interesting stuff Barry believes in - like karma and reincarnation. What happened - I thought you guys all read Sam Harris' book. Go figure. Xeno didn't even