[FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
---I agree, the facts - though limited in scope and circumstantial - point to obvious conclusions the tex. is in complete denial of. He's hopeless. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, with all respect, you need to be back on your Seroquel. I kid you not. You have symptoms of a mild psychosis. --- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has the Marshy anyone ever offered to help in the rehabilitation of the women who suffered from the sexual predations of the Marshy or the Mukta? Rick Archer wrote: I don't think he feels responsible for Muk's behavior. But Marshy gave the Mukta a public hug - that sort of indicates his approval. I wonder what the victims thought about that scene. Or are you saying that the Marshy didn't know about the Mukta's sexual proclivities. Jennifer received financial support for a while. So, she got paid off not to reveal anything, thus continuing in the deception as an enabler, if not a co-dependent. Or maybe at least an apology. Not that I know of. Maybe Marshy is still in denial. I wonder why the Doctors of Tantra that respond here don't try to help him with some counseling. Mukta is dead but I wonder what kind of sexual harassment policy they have at MUM. From what I've read, none, at least that applies to certain administrators. But it is interesting that there are at least five informers here that claim some kind of tantric status. Go figure. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ __ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
--Not necessarily. If another person's behavior is perceived to be adharmic, a first course of action would be to assist the individual in crashing the behavior as a form of tough love. (enter for example, the destructive energy of Kali); followed by a softer form of love. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Dude, with all respect, you need to be back on your Seroquel. I kid you not. You have symptoms of a mild psychosis. Unethical *in the extreme* for a mental health professional to publically attempt a diagnosis of psychopathology via someone's posts on a Web forum, *especially* as a putdown. And that's what it was, a putdown. If Peter had been seriously concerned for the person's mental health, he could have communicated with him privately. This is utterly inexcusable.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lahiri Mahasaya on CC
--Thanks, Jim; I'm only replying, since you asked - I'm obligated to remain mum on the subject. First, the hologram in question (represented by the Gohonzon), is something relative, and be cognized but not through any Hindu Guru (they remain ignorant of the entity in question). It's a Buddhist Morphogenetic field. 2. It's not necessary to be Enlightened to cognize the entity or make use of it; but does require effort to participate in the entity as a process. One of the techniques involves listening to the chant of the Surangama mantra (over 800 verses). The forms are constantly changing and are infinite, but lest the vast array of forms boggle the mind, the entity itself offers a key which I call the targeting principle. For example, say you are traveling in the Himalayas and a god appears out of nowhere saying this is the infinite relative kingdom - it's all yours. This gift would be of limited value since there's too much information...too many choices. A possible strategy would be to ask the god: dear god, I can't pick and choose what's of value so you tell me. The god refuses, but says he/she will offer a secondary gift called the targeting principle that will enable the seeker to make better choices among the infinite arrays of facets. The entity in question - the morphogenetic field - was apparently invented by the Sakyamuni Buddha but he projected knowledge of the invention into the future through the assistance of Padma Sambhava and Nichiren. Shankara overlooked the entity. I have to take a break now and will get back to you later. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tertonzeno tertonzeno@ wrote: ---empty bill, you are a very astute observer and have keen insight!. How many? Ans: many!! - but all will be explained in due time; but for now all I can say is that it's the power of the GOHONZON which reflects many facets of the one hologram; into one living organism, with no danger of the separate parts flying off into separateness. Thus, one can reconcile the various parts without conflictsnip So, how many facets of the one hologram are there? Or if this is a number approaching infinity, what can you tell me please about the shape and construction of the hologram?:-)
[FairfieldLife] Dai Gohonzon (was Re: Lahiri Mahasaya on CC)
---You're looking at differences and separations. The Gohonzon integrates mutually agreeable M-fields and tends to demolish those getting in the way. True, Hsuan Hua didn't approve of the Gohonzon which I showed him once. Nichiren's Buddhism was heretical to him. However, his habit of eating only once per day before noon is heretical to me since I have low blood sugar and have to eat continually throughout the day. I had such pre-noon meals with him on a number of occasions. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't know much about Nichiren. Dai Gohonzon sounds like a Japanese description of Kegon's riji-muge (interpenetration and mutual identity between particulars in Indra's net). I presume that the true entity is tathata or tathata-garbha if you prefer. Buddha sees nothing but Buddha. So you do dharani-s from and to the multi-form Buddha? By the way, didn't Nichiren call Zenji-s self-power devils? Don't think Hsuan Hua would agree. Also, I doubt Nichiren would approve of Padmasambhava - particularly, Vajrakila the Yidam which he gave as a first sadhana. Why don't you collapse your multiple identities here on FFL and give up the parade. Tell us about your background is so we can't understand the context of your dialog. Also - there no such thing as Buddhist tathata, as you know. These are all concepts, which you also know. Why make the separation except to be polemical? empty tertonzeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---empty bill, you are a very astute observer and have keen insight!. How many? Ans: many!! - but all will be explained in due time; but for now all I can say is that it's the power of the GOHONZON which reflects many facets of the one hologram; into one living organism, with no danger of the separate parts flying off into separateness. Thus, one can reconcile the various parts without conflictyet, the whole and relationship between the parts remain Buddhist, not Hindu. There are certain advantages in Buddhism over Hinduism, but the core nature of the advantage(s) can't be addressed through the type of intellectual analysis going on in this forum. (not to put such analysis down, but it's limited, not entering into direct cognition of the Buddhist true entity, represented by the Gohonzon). ps. The foregoing is not intended to make sense. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim emptybill@ wrote: So how many of you inhabit you? Please explain. Message #146579 August 15th, 2007 - --- Tertonzeno wrote: --Thanks, I'm a Buddhist and don't accept Patanjali as an Authority. Message #145659 , August 16th, 2007 Tertonzeno wrote: ---Thanks, on Buddhist practice, I'll get more into this later. I practice TM but my Buddhist Guru is Hsuan Hua; whom I used to visit during the 70's: Message #147828, August 30, 2007 - Tertonzeno wrote: ---Thanks, Lahiri Mahasay is the lineage Uncle of my Kriya yoga Guru (initiated me into Kriya yoga in 1982 - Swami Satyeswarananda). d. he could perform the Kriya of out of body travel at will (mentioned by Patanjani), involving the mudra of connecting his tongue to his uvula. - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. - Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV.
[FairfieldLife] Dai Gohonzon (was Re: Lahiri Mahasaya on CC)
---You're overly intellectualizing what is a matter of experience. Hsuan Hua clearly expressed his disapproval of Nichiren's Buddhism and the Gohonzon, (to me, directly). That was the experience. What does this have to do with pratimoksha vows. Get out of your ivory tower. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heresy means to personally choose a particular belief in opposition to some previously established orthodox belief. Heterodoxy is simply to choose all on one's own without regard to orthodoxy. Hsuan Hua was observing Chinese Buddhist monastic vinaya. Unless you were a monk in full possession of the pratimoksha vows neither you nor he could be in heretical antipathy to the other's practice. As far as differences and separations, you began your posted comments with Buddhist versus Hindu so you edged yourself out of discussing them in terms that were reflective of mutuality. Tathata is Sanskrit for thusness. Entity is Latin for ens - a being. These are well established terms without a lot of mystery to them. Dai means Great as in the Dai of Dainichi or the Maha in mahayana and mahamudra. Gohonzon is an object of veneration. You apparently venerate the proclamation that the Lotus Sutra and Nichiren are the same and in the same manner that Dharma and Buddha are sometimes worshiped as the same. This means you are probably here to proselytize us at FFL for SGI. yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---You're looking at differences and separations. The Gohonzon integrates mutually agreeable M-fields and tends to demolish those getting in the way. True, Hsuan Hua didn't approve of the Gohonzon which I showed him once. Nichiren's Buddhism was heretical to him. However, his habit of eating only once per day before noon is heretical to me since I have low blood sugar and have to eat continually throughout the day. I had such pre-noon meals with him on a number of occasions. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim emptybill@ wrote: Don't know much about Nichiren. Dai Gohonzon sounds like a Japanese description of Kegon's riji-muge (interpenetration and mutual identity between particulars in Indra's net). Recent Activity 4 New Members 1 New Photos 3 New Links Visit Your Group Search Ads Get new customers. List your web site in Yahoo! Search. Real Food Group Share recipes and favorite meals w/ Real Food lovers. Dog Fanatics on Yahoo! Groups Find people who are crazy about dogs. . - Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
--And you live where? New Delhi? Please explain why you believe these people are Enlightened. Did they make a claim to this? (which would be OK, if so that could simply be a factual statement; or it could be am empty boast). Do these individuals practice TM? If so, then at least temporarily, they had a Guru!. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gordon Grobelny, Loralin Tomlin, Krista Fisher, Mary Kaminski, Richard Spang ... these are just off the top of my head, people living within 15 miles of me. matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Let the buyer beware. It's our responsibility, which becomes skilled in the light of additional direct experience: IMO the more Gurus the better. This provides an insurance plan against getting duped by any possible charlatans; but more important, in all likelihood, the vast majority of Gurus (unless ouright phonies); have SOMETHING to offer that might be of value; in which case it's our responsibility to separate the wheat from the chaff. Example: Once Baba Ram Dass (Dr. Richard Alpert) was on the radio in the 70's commenting on MMY. His conclusion was that what MMY had to offer was of no value because (in Ram Dass's opinion), he seemed to be attached to money. So what, even if this were true (actually, from a Spiritual perspective this would be impossible - a topic covered recently; the outer exhibition is another story reserved for later discussion). But what does this have to do with TM as a technique?. So, in a relative sense nobody's perfect. See the benefits in anything/everything, and discard what's useless. So, you believe that people can get Enlightened without a Guru. OK, name one such person. That's your challenge for today. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter brontebaxter8@ wrote: Bronte: My friend, what should I call you? I can't pronounce your web name -- so, friend: Thanks for this observation, and I agree: learning to play an instrument is often easier with a teacher, but not always. And teachers are not essential, although most gurus will tell you that they are. It's one thing to say I'm a great real estate agent and will help you sell your house if you like versus saying You will never sell your house without my help, you poor miserable schlep. The latter being analogous to most gurus are saying. And I'll continue to gripe about that kind of manipulation. --So which approach is easier, with, or without a teacher? (in generaly, don't talk about isolated exceptions). In advance, let's take care of one exception: HWL Poonja. He states that in his last incarnation (prior to being HWL Poonja...died in the 90's), he was an advanced Krishna-bhakti Yogi. Then as Poonja in the course of his travels as an engineer, he happens to get an urge to visit Ramana Maharshi in his cave. Poonja tells RM about his many visions of Krishna, and RM asks, Are you having a vision right now?. Then after a few more leading questions RM in essence tells Poonja he's already Enlightened. Poonja got it and became Enlightened on the spot. But then, RM was a teacher, wasn't he? In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Bronte Baxter brontebaxter8@ ... wrote: ---Sure, one can get Enlightened without a Guru; likewise, one can learn how to play the violin without a teacher. (as Borak would sayNOT !). Bronte: Curious, I know lots of people who've taught themselves musical instruments. - Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Not all shaktipat or dharshan is equall
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The use of words may be frustrating in this case. Often My Guru will say this one Right, but Ramana Maharshi and others say I'. Saying this one all the time is ridiculous!.. replacing the word I, the other Gurus in my path do the same. My Guru said that speaking this way is researved or those Realized because the me is gone and there is Again, absurd. Tell your Guru to try speaking Engles, Senor. nothing to replace it with. On other occasions, my Guru will say I and me, but in general in my gurus books, she cautions the disciples not to view the Guru as persona but as consciousness Why would your Guru caution people to engage in mood making? MMY doesn't caution people in that manner. Your Guru is an oddball. Generally speaking, Gurus will say I and me, and as I cast my opinion before, when they use this speach, and if they are claiming enlightenment, and at the same time referring to the individual I, then this is dellusion. Again, Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta Maharaj have used the I word on many occations, MMY likewise, and Jerry Jarvis. Are you saying these people are not Enlightened? Since there is no Me, then when they use this, they are referenceing something other- I think this is understood by many or most here. Precisely, at last we agree on something!. But nobody on this forum said there WAS a false Me or I. Besides, what's so special about that declaration, in view of the fact that Sages have been saying this for thousands of years. The bottom line is not changing as I see it- my Guru's comments- the fallacy is that a me becomes enlightened Nobody every said a me becomes Enlightened. Stop confusing the issues. As reported by various Enlightened persons, Enlightenment as a Realization takes place within the realm of apparent space-time; in which case the individuals REPORT that they became Enlightned; realized the innate, prior, pure Consciousness of the Self. Thus, in the process of an apparent progression in which the obstacles to Enlightenment were gradually (or perhaps suddenly) removed, the false me obviously cannot exist. However, the I or me as mentioned by Ramana and Nisargadatta Maharaj, and many others, still exists as a body/mind minus the delusion of separateness. For example, Rory states that he realized the Self at some particular time (I forgot the year, 2001?) Adi Da says he realized the Self in 1970 while at the Vedanta Temple in Hollywood. Ramakrishna says he realized the Self after getting initiated by a Brahmin in some non-dualist school. Ramana says he realized the Self on 7-17-1896. Lakshmana, a disciple of Ramana, claims he realized the Self (I believe in 1949); at which time shortly thereafter, he handed a note to Ramana saying I have realized the Self. HWL Poonja says he realized the Self while in the presence of Ramana Maharshi. Obviously, the Realization the Self implies that the I acting as an entity apparently separate from the Self had vanished, being a total delusion. Nobody is disputing that! Thus, that I can't realized the Self since it was a delusional entity. So what is meant by such persons when they say I have realized the Self. The meaning is simply that (as reported by some aspect of the individual as a body/mind); btw, you will agree that the above persons reported that they had realized the Self. This is a matter of record. To continue, the meaning is that the obscurations to the self-evident nature Pure Consciousness had VANISHED. However, some aspect of the body/mind reported on that event. Though there is no separate entity that can realize the Self, there is a part of the body/mind that can report on the fact of the Realization in apparent space-time. Therefore, your Guru's statements are only partially correct. If he wants to go around saying this person or whatever, in place of the I word, so be it. The Dalai Lama acts like an ordinary person, on the surface. He uses the I word, does he not? Yes, in the Barbara Walters interfiew he used it several times. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, purushaz purushaz@ wrote: Ron---You don't understand, how many times do we have to go over this? In Muktananda's tradition, there's a transfer of Shakti from the BODY(s) of Muktananda to the BODY(s) of the disciple. Therefore, the me in that context refers to the body, (and of course all of attributes that make up a person, whether Enlightend or not). Do you agree that your Guru is a person, as opposed to other persons? Then he's an individual, and in due course of conversation, may say I, and me often. Nobody is saying there's a delusional false I or me that your Guru identifies with. If he's Enlightened, then there's no such false I; however, there's still a body, mind, actions, reactions, conditionings, manner of social interactions;
[FairfieldLife] Hongzhi Zhengjue on Silent Illumination
Chan Magazine, Summer, 2007, p. 15, IX: (Hongzhi Zhengjue, 1091 - 1156): The field of illumination in silence is likend to the clear autumn sky, where illumination is without effort and where duality of light and shadow are severed - - this is the time when the whole truth is transcended. The source is pure, the essence is potent. When the pivotal axis is open, its mobility is lifely. Clear and brilliant, it is intrinsically radiant. When this center is discovered, one will be able to bring its potency forth and utilize it in manifold situations with full appropriateness. This is like the meeting of sky and earth, where the ten thousand appearances harmonize. Contented and composed, one is selfpossessed and can roam about without any opposition. Responding to celestial beings in a heavenly appearance, delivering human beings in a human form, whatever the situation calls for one manifest the ppropriate body and appearance to expound the Dharma. If you can effectively experience thus, you will be vast and open and defeat all obstacles.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's teaching = why some teachers misbehave
---There is no evidence for a physically embodied Maitreya - just that phoney pic taken decades ago. Countless people have seen MMY. Where are the witnesses to Maitreya? He's an evil entity (physically disembodied) who has taken over Benjamin Creme. Let's see some concrete evidence of Maitreya's existence. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Nabby too claims to have seen it, and even claims to have done it. Then again, he's the guy who keeps telling us that the Maitreya guy he believes in, who was first promised to appear Any Day Now over 30 years ago, is gonna show up Any Moment Now, and when he does he'll speak to everyone on earth simultaneously in a language they can all understand. So you'll have to forgive me if I don't consider him quite as authoritative as you seem to. Correct, I have levitated many times, but not with characters like you in the room ;-) So no evidence for you at this moment of history I'm afraid. Correct too that Maitreya will speak to all peoples in their own language on what is called the Day of Declaration when everyone will know who He is and what He wants us to do. Se more: http://www.shareintl.org So correct two times in one post Turq - not bad ! Keep up the good work :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay
-right. Even Charlie is now convinced (as I tried to tell him long ago) that the goods can't be found with this particular Guru, in any sense of some final conclusion; beyond a mere technique. Early XMas morning while in the dream state, I encountered Charlie and I asked him if he was going to lecture at Manly Hall's Philosophical Research Center. He said no and pointed into the Heavens, toward Jesus. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: essay Quantum Consciousness, Quantum Miracles, Quantum Failure. It's available here: http://www.geoffgilpin.com/pdfs/Quantum-Failure.pdf ~Some of us look back with regret, some in anger, and some with bemused detachment. We all share a heritage of bitter irony. We gave everything we had to create a reality that was the total opposite of what we wanted~ The above comment from the essay summarizes my view. The essay itself gives a generally penetrating expression to my overall view of the TMO. Since I worked for around 10 years as a TM teacher for SRM [Maharishi's original Spiritual Regeneration Movement], I was [I feel] fortunately not part of nor dependent upon the move toward SCI and the siddhi program. The Vedic stuff as Maharishi is pushing it these days it is absolute horse shit in my eyes. And like Geoff mentioned, when that other shoe dropped and the SRM was overcome by the science crowd I also was seriously bummed as were numbers of other TMers I've known personally - unless they abandoned the whole thing altogether. It took me a very long time to reorient myself to finding external meaning to my experience of TM once again and I've found it in terms of what I've learned to be some of the related spiritual teachings of Sanatana Dharma and the awareness of Guru Dev whom I've come to experience as very subtly influencing me. As a seeker since childhood of answers to what this life is *really* all about, I can only express gratitude for the Transcendental Meditation technique itself [apart from all of the current TMO clap-trap] and what I have come to know from my experience as a result of it, particularly the connection I've come to feel directly, almost continuously, with the Divine.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay
-Have I got it? No. Here's my Guru, who's yours? http://www.buddhanet.net/masters/hsuan_hua.htm -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: -right. Even Charlie is now convinced (as I tried to tell him long ago) that the goods can't be found with this particular Guru, in any sense of some final conclusion; beyond a mere technique. Early XMas morning while in the dream state, I encountered Charlie and I asked him if he was going to lecture at Manly Hall's Philosophical Research Center. He said no and pointed into the Heavens, toward Jesus. So, MMY doesn't make it as a Guru in your view ? He probably would be relieved to know of your rejection of him. Expecting others to exhibit flawless features is futile. I hope a guru that met your criteria appeared... or, perhaps you could be your own guru- then, whatever imperfections you (your guru) exhibited would be within the range of your voice and your realm of influence. Got it ? -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: essay Quantum Consciousness, Quantum Miracles, Quantum Failure. It's available here: http://www.geoffgilpin.com/pdfs/Quantum-Failure.pdf ~Some of us look back with regret, some in anger, and some with bemused detachment. We all share a heritage of bitter irony. We gave everything we had to create a reality that was the total opposite of what we wanted~ The above comment from the essay summarizes my view. The essay itself gives a generally penetrating expression to my overall view of the TMO. Since I worked for around 10 years as a TM teacher for SRM [Maharishi's original Spiritual Regeneration Movement], I was [I feel] fortunately not part of nor dependent upon the move toward SCI and the siddhi program. The Vedic stuff as Maharishi is pushing it these days it is absolute horse shit in my eyes. And like Geoff mentioned, when that other shoe dropped and the SRM was overcome by the science crowd I also was seriously bummed as were numbers of other TMers I've known personally - unless they abandoned the whole thing altogether. It took me a very long time to reorient myself to finding external meaning to my experience of TM once again and I've found it in terms of what I've learned to be some of the related spiritual teachings of Sanatana Dharma and the awareness of Guru Dev whom I've come to experience as very subtly influencing me. As a seeker since childhood of answers to what this life is *really* all about, I can only express gratitude for the Transcendental Meditation technique itself [apart from all of the current TMO clap-trap] and what I have come to know from my experience as a result of it, particularly the connection I've come to feel directly, almost continuously, with the Divine.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rising Insanity of the Age of Enlightment
--- Right: I've been initiated into Surat Shabda Yoga: by representatives of Darshan Singh, Charan Singh, and Thakur Singh. The 5 Names are 1. Jot Narinjin, 2. Omkar 3. Rarankar 4. Sohang 5. Sat Nam. The seeker repeats the Names over and over again slowly. I couldn't detect any power whatsoever in those mantras; so I continued with TM (which does have Shakti-power in it). In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: Well, I run into plenty of people who claim that meditation xyz is just like TM but USUALY I found it is because they don't understand TM (or perhaps their own meditation tradition for that matter, come to think of it). I have as well, I think the uniqueness of TM is it's simplicity, a friend of mine practices Surat Shabd Yoga which is dealing with the sound current..(an offshoot of the Sikh Religion). They have to concentrate in front of the third eye(between eyebrows) repeat the 'charged' words (supposedly only the Master can charge them with the Master Power) which are several syllables, some other groups even have to say the mantra in conjunction with the breath..*that's 3, count em' three things to do, no wonder transcending is rare!, they're too busy with all of that other stuff!! http://www.sos.org/index.html
[FairfieldLife] Satsang (was Re: Rising Insanity)
---(below - in my view). No. By all means, attain the Self, the non- dual state described by the Neo-Advaitins; but don't regard that as the ultimate goal, or even being close to Enlightenment, unless one has made the progression through the Kundalini signs. The Neo-Advaitins haven't done this. Apart from regular Sadhana, the when of Neo-Advaitic permanent realization (and Enlightement - which lies beyond the ordinary Neo- Advaitic state) is largely out of our hands and is dependent on the status of our karma and the physical structures we came into the world with; apart from our regular Sadhana. Obviously, many people will not get Enlightened during the present lifetime. So instead of placing one's entire basket of marbles into the Enlightenement goal, I recommend the following: a. Simply continue with one's regular Sadhana (I'm a TM TB btw); but set one's goals on a much easier task: b. Strive to surely but gradually INCREASE ONE'S SHAKTI LEVEL. This is a rather easy goal that can bear concrete results in a short period of time, say a few months. The means of doing this have been briefly mentioned in previous posts. c. Now we get to the result of this more reasonable and more easily attainable goal: First, we hasten our progress toward Enlightenment; but in the short run (like a couple of weeks from now...) we can USE the Shakti in our daily lives for whatever purposes we desire. Obviously, there are practical limitations to the fulfillment of desires, but whatever they are, more SHAKTI POWER will be of great help. Personally, I believe that MMY's whole worldview pertaining to the progression of states of consciousness: TC,...leading to Unity; actually contributes to mental breakdowns; but I agree with the other contributors on the nature of unstressing. Though at times unpleasant, the presence of unstressing points to TM's success and the impotence of most other techniques. At any rate, I'm an ANTI-NEO-ADVAIIN (not by virtue of the non-dualist philosophy), but by virtue of my orientation toward the fulfillment of desires and the progressive nature of evolution... And - yes; along with the fact that I deplore the stupid, ridiculous I don't know and I don't care attitude of some Neo-Advaitins. (fortunately, none access this forum).. As long as people have bodies, they have desires. Increase one's Shakti level to help fulfill those desires, whatever they may be. Since desires continue before and after Enlightenment, the commonality in the human condition is DESIRES, (or, perhaps just sit on your butt and enjoy the Bliss due to enhanced Shakti). I do that more and more; but I'm not a Bliss-ninny in the ordinary sense, because the job I have involves rather intense interaction with people in the field of law. Some lawyers can be vipers. The Shakti helps put them in the right place, but it's all Kali's doing. Anyway, more Shakti, more Bliss. As to Enlightenment, when it happens, it happens; but at the end of the day, and the day after, it's SHAKTI that will get me therenot some ridiculous mental grokking of AHA...now I've got it! Sorry I haven't had time to explain this better, but in a nutshell: increase your Shakti level and work on individual desires (or just hang around in Bliss and radiate Shakti, doing nothing in particular). That's my anti-Neo-Advaitin philosophy. As to more details on the actual program, I'll leave that to later. But to give you an idea, this very night I'm sending away for the following audio CD's: 1. the Lalita Sahasranama chanted by Amma, and 2. the Durga Puja chanted by ShreeMaa. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: ---No - that's only the Neo-Advaitin state of non-duality, not Enlightenment. There's a big gulf between the Neo-Advaitin state as described below (and exhibited by numerous Neo-Advaitins giving a similar description of non-duality); and Enlightenment as demonstrated by Sakyamuni Buddha, Ramana Maharshi, and Guru Dev. In short, although Enlightenment is non-dual, not all conditions of non-duality are demonstrations of Enlightenment. So, in your view, it's better to be an ego-bound schlub on an endless Buddhist treadmill to a future perfection that is rarely ever achieved than to live the freedom of a non-dual awakening that doesn't qualify as the highest, most bestest possible Enlightenment?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proof Of God: Messengership
--Wrong. Only evolution is needed, of which natural selection is a major component. A few other components are b. genetic drift and random mutations c. geographic separation and d. (very important); emergent properties of new combinations of raw ingredients that come together out of spontaneous interactions. Thus, the God you worship looks suspiciously like a type of all knowing Muslim or Judaeo-Christian Deity. The God I seek to align myself with is the God immanent in/as nature, the whole greater than the sum of its parts, that conspires to come up with countless possible outcomes. Many of these outcomes turn out to be dead ends; and others that if categorized as evidence of design, only point to an imbecile as a designer. For example, what idiot designer would place the elimination organ of females right next to the reproductive organ?...or; perhaps design a spinal column that tends to collapse after a few decades of usage? Or design male nipples that have no use? - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awais_nazir_ch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was skeptical about the existence of God, but no more now. That proto-DNA/RNA/PNA/TNA/GNA, which emerged about 4 billion years ago, as fossil records indicate, has to meet the following 4 conditions, (1) ALL OF THEM (2) SIMULTANEOUSLY, or the proto- DNA/RNA/PNA/TNA/GNA is dead (ref: en.wikipedia.com): -different organic compounds joined in exact helical order, WITHIN ONE GENERATION. -have a complete reproductive system, WITHIN ONE GENERATION. -have a complete DNA/RNA/PNA/TNA/GNA-repair system, WITHIN ONE GENERATION. -have a complete metabolic system, WITHIN ONE GENERATION. Chimps are 98.8% human, not because humans evolved out of proto- chimp, but because humans share biological functions with Chimps more than any other living thing. Famous Scientist Crick proposed that the proto-DNA/RNA couldn't have developed on Earth, but must have come from the space; but this doesn't solve the problem, about the origin of the proto-DNA/RNA. God is needed to make the the above four Impossibilities as Possible. Further reading: www.awais-nazir.biz
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why do Buddhists attack?
--right - in the centuries to come, Buddhists in droves will embrace TM. Thanks to MMY's brilliant idea to offer TM only as a techique separate from the entrapment of traditional religion; people of any religious persuasion (or none); can practice it. Basically, we are talking about M-fields (Morphogenetic fields). There are enough similarities between non-dualist orientations of Buddhism and Saivite Hinduism (as well as Divine Mother branches, such as Saraswati) for Buddhists to readily embrace the practice of TM without the danger of offending any of their philosophy. But philosophy is only one part of the M-field. The M-fields of the non-dualist religions vs Christianity are so radically different (apart from a handful of Gnostics); that it may take a time before Christians in droves start practicing TM. Obviously, many TM'ers still consider themselves Christians (I'm a lapsed Catholic); but Evangelical Christianity especially is not based on techniques. It's all about faith and belief. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: It also has attracted some of the best scientists out there, all non-Buddhist. Who wouldn't want to research meditators who are able to transcend for hours at a time and come out totally refreshed? Perhaps the ones not possessed of such advanced pre-cognition that they can foresee the results before the research? and why use up hours a day, when a mere 20 minutes of TM will do? Somehow this doesn't work in favor of your bias Vaj... (OK that's 50 for me-- see you after today.)
[FairfieldLife] Interview with Gopi Krishna on Kundalini
from http://www.ecomall.com GOPI KRISHNA - THE LAST INTERVIEW (Free Video) TK: Mr Krishna, you have had a Kundalini experience. I wish you could explain what a Kundalini experience is and what its ramifications are. GK: Before I start to describe my own experience, perhaps it would be better to give a little detail about what Kundalini means. We are not using the totality of the human brain. According to various estimates, most of us use only ten percent of the brain and according to some only eight percent. That means 90 percent of the brain is unutilized, that there is still a large margin in the brain which could be used for other purposes, and nature has provided it for certain purposes which are not yet known to science. According to Indian tradition, there is a region in the brain below the crown and about the pallette which is called Brahmarendra or the cavity of Brahman. This region can be activated by certain disciplines and when activated it can give to the individual the same vision of the universe which all great mystics of the Earth have described. When it is awakened the normal energy of the body or the blood is not able to fuel the center. It needs a more powerful and constrained psychic fuel. This fuel comes from the reproductive system, which is transformed into a kind of radiation and that radiation awakens and makes the center function. In my case, the awakening occurred at the age of 34, in 1937. I had been meditating for 17 years and then all of a sudden during Christmas, while I was sitting cross-legged in a state of meditation, a strange thing happened. Something exploded in my brain and a current of silvery light rising from my spine radiated throughout my whole brain, and I felt myself expanding in all directions. This expansion was so incredible, so amazing that I thought that something unusual had happened in my inner ear. After this I had two other experiences of the same kind, at short intervals apart, and it then succeeded. But something was changing in me and I could perceive this change for many, many years, day and night. In fact, I passed through grave crises during that period. Finally, I became stabilized in that condition of consciousness in my 49th year. Since that time I have been living in that condition. That is to say, before my 34th year I was living in this world thinking, seeing, perceiving in the same way as other people do, but since my 49th year I have been living in two different worlds. One is the normal world of senses and reason, and the other is the world which is much higher, much more happy and which is totally apart from anything that we can know of the earth. It is the world of consciousness. TK: How do you see the world? GK: We know what all people perceive of this world. I can understand what you perceive of it, you can understand what I perceive of it. That is, this perception is uniform. Everyone has the same perception. But this other perception is different. In this other perception you do not see the world as a solid, real, objective creation. The real objective creation is consciousness. You see consciousness everywhere. You see the ocean as if it is consciousness everywhere. You see the ocean as if it is living; you see a mountain as if it is living; you see the sky as if it is living; you see the Earth as if it is living; you see life or consciousness everywhere. And this life or consciousness is not something which is really dead or which is something you can understand. It is unfathomable. It is wonder and everytime you see it, you perceive it. The wonder grows deeper. I am never tired of sitting in quiet and reflecting on myself. I am never tired of looking at the sky. The sky, to me, does not appear as it appeared before my 34th year; it is so fascinating. It is such a beautiful vision that I would like to look at it for days and months on end. In other words, in the air a fountain of happiness, a new kingdom, I should say, is opened. This is probably what Christ meant when he said, The Kingdom of Heaven is within you. This is the Nirvana of Buddha; and this is the state of Vada mentioned by the Suffi mystics. In fact, in this inactive state what we perceive is consciousness in its most magic form, in its glorious form, and not consciousness as a point looking through the eyes or hearing through the ears, but a consciousness which has its own channels and which knows that it is the master and not the slave of the material forces which knows it is the creator. It is infinite: it is deathless. In this state one feels himself to be a king, he feels himself to be the master of what he sees. It is not the ego. I should say it is not the ego; it is the very condition of this consciousness. That is the reason why it is said that no mystic would change his state even for a kingdom. It is somehing so unique, so glorious, so elevating that I have no words to describe
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interview with Gopi Krishna on Kundalini
--More Kundalini experiences of Gopi Krishna at http://scienceandreligion.com/gk/kundalini_gk.htm - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from http://www.ecomall.com GOPI KRISHNA - THE LAST INTERVIEW (Free Video) TK: Mr Krishna, you have had a Kundalini experience. I wish you could explain what a Kundalini experience is and what its ramifications are. GK: Before I start to describe my own experience, perhaps it would be better to give a little detail about what Kundalini means. We are not using the totality of the human brain. According to various estimates, most of us use only ten percent of the brain and according to some only eight percent. That means 90 percent of the brain is unutilized, that there is still a large margin in the brain which could be used for other purposes, and nature has provided it for certain purposes which are not yet known to science. According to Indian tradition, there is a region in the brain below the crown and about the pallette which is called Brahmarendra or the cavity of Brahman. This region can be activated by certain disciplines and when activated it can give to the individual the same vision of the universe which all great mystics of the Earth have described. When it is awakened the normal energy of the body or the blood is not able to fuel the center. It needs a more powerful and constrained psychic fuel. This fuel comes from the reproductive system, which is transformed into a kind of radiation and that radiation awakens and makes the center function. In my case, the awakening occurred at the age of 34, in 1937. I had been meditating for 17 years and then all of a sudden during Christmas, while I was sitting cross-legged in a state of meditation, a strange thing happened. Something exploded in my brain and a current of silvery light rising from my spine radiated throughout my whole brain, and I felt myself expanding in all directions. This expansion was so incredible, so amazing that I thought that something unusual had happened in my inner ear. After this I had two other experiences of the same kind, at short intervals apart, and it then succeeded. But something was changing in me and I could perceive this change for many, many years, day and night. In fact, I passed through grave crises during that period. Finally, I became stabilized in that condition of consciousness in my 49th year. Since that time I have been living in that condition. That is to say, before my 34th year I was living in this world thinking, seeing, perceiving in the same way as other people do, but since my 49th year I have been living in two different worlds. One is the normal world of senses and reason, and the other is the world which is much higher, much more happy and which is totally apart from anything that we can know of the earth. It is the world of consciousness. TK: How do you see the world? GK: We know what all people perceive of this world. I can understand what you perceive of it, you can understand what I perceive of it. That is, this perception is uniform. Everyone has the same perception. But this other perception is different. In this other perception you do not see the world as a solid, real, objective creation. The real objective creation is consciousness. You see consciousness everywhere. You see the ocean as if it is consciousness everywhere. You see the ocean as if it is living; you see a mountain as if it is living; you see the sky as if it is living; you see the Earth as if it is living; you see life or consciousness everywhere. And this life or consciousness is not something which is really dead or which is something you can understand. It is unfathomable. It is wonder and everytime you see it, you perceive it. The wonder grows deeper. I am never tired of sitting in quiet and reflecting on myself. I am never tired of looking at the sky. The sky, to me, does not appear as it appeared before my 34th year; it is so fascinating. It is such a beautiful vision that I would like to look at it for days and months on end. In other words, in the air a fountain of happiness, a new kingdom, I should say, is opened. This is probably what Christ meant when he said, The Kingdom of Heaven is within you. This is the Nirvana of Buddha; and this is the state of Vada mentioned by the Suffi mystics. In fact, in this inactive state what we perceive is consciousness in its most magic form, in its glorious form, and not consciousness as a point looking through the eyes or hearing through the ears, but a consciousness which has its own channels and which knows that it is the master and not the slave of the material forces which knows it is the creator. It is infinite: it is deathless. In this state one feels himself to be a king, he feels himself to be the master of what he sees
[FairfieldLife] Look at me, I'm important! I know the Truth! (was Re: Shaken)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis wrote: Most of your points were right out of scriptures. You're using a very narrow defintion of scripture. Scripture is anything, verbal, written, or recorded - in short, the scriptures are verbal testimony, which is a valid means of knowledge. Based on your logic I could object to you consulting the dictionary in order to post the definition of stress! But I'm not sure exactly what 'scriptures' you are refering to. And, it's not just a matter of reading the 'scriptures', Curtis - we all read the scriptures. The scriptures are just another name for books of knowledge - for consulting with our friends and teachers. We all rely on the three vaild means of knowledge. There are three valid means of knowledge: 1. Sense perceptions. 2. Verbal testimony. 3. Inference. But beyond these valid means of knowledge, there is *transcendental* knowledge. There is the apriori knowledge that makes some actions a categorical imperative. Assuming materialism would not be a logical conclusion, because it is NOT supported by the three valid means of knowledge!
[FairfieldLife] Look at me, I'm important! I know the Truth! (was Re: Shaken)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis wrote: Most of your points were right out of scriptures. You're using a very narrow defintion of scripture. Scripture is anything, verbal, written, or recorded - in short, the scriptures are verbal testimony, which is a valid means of knowledge. Based on your logic I could object to you consulting the dictionary in order to post the definition of stress! But I'm not sure exactly what 'scriptures' you are refering to. And, it's not just a matter of reading the 'scriptures', Curtis - we all read the scriptures. The scriptures are just another name for books of knowledge - for consulting with our friends and teachers. We all rely on the three vaild means of knowledge. There are three valid means of knowledge: 1. Sense perceptions. 2. Verbal testimony. 3. Inference. But beyond these valid means of knowledge, there is *transcendental* knowledge. There is the apriori knowledge that makes some actions a categorical imperative. Assuming materialism would not be a logical conclusion, because it is NOT supported by the three valid means of knowledge!
[FairfieldLife] Look at me, I'm important! I know the Truth! (was Re: Shaken)
---The notion of experiencing actions as fully as possible seems to indicate something relative. So, you're saying that E. people are incapable of experiencing half-baked undertakings? How about MMY? In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 mrfishey2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 mrfishey2001@ wrote: - I enjoy discussing it with those who are interested in it. Mr. Sandiego, Say I am interested, but I lack the necessary background to understand this thing you call enlightenment. From your perspective: what is enlightenment, and more importantly, why should I want it? - I am not the guy to be asked these questions. For one thing, it doesn't seem that someone reads something about enlightenment, as if choosing a new car, and then decidesyes, h, I'll go for it. Rather it is something that becomes known to the seeker after they have already shown interest in that direction. For another, it is not a path for the faint of heart. Many people dabble with practices that may lead them closer to it, without making much progress. In my experience, there has to be a hunger for this knowledge, a fire burning within already, to drive the seeker to find out more about it. There are many, many avenues to learn about enlightenment and its benefits. My recommendation would be to begin meditation or hatha yoga and take it from there. - My apologies. I was under the mistaken impression you enjoyed discussing enlightenment with those interested. I am interested - having said as much. I wasn't aware of the evidentiary requirement; I practice yoga, which includes a form of meditation. While not a card-carrying vegetarian, I do eat well. I've read various books on eastern thought, and attended several lectures on the top of enlightenment. The arrival of summer will place me that much closer to my first spiritual retreat. Do you think it's here I'll find someone who enjoys discussing it with those who are interested in it. - or will they as well ask for further proof? -- Thanks for your response-- I'll give this another try: what is enlightenment, and more importantly, why should I want it? In a nutshell, enlightenment is lasting freedom, experienced 24 x 7. It is the abililty to experience anything in its totality, unmasked and unencumbered by any preconceptions. It is the ability to live skill in action, and by that I mean performing actions in as complete a way as possible, experiencing them as fully as possible. I could go on and on, because the state is one of living within the boundaries of Infinity (that5's a joke). Basically a state of everlasting and enduring freedom.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Satsang Fairfield
--from http://skepdic.com ...on Dr. Hawkins: Some of the statements made by this otherwise kind and intelligent man are shocking, i.e., as to kinesiology. With the increased sales of his books and other materials, the concern I have is that this nonsense could become an insane tool for wrong. I have witnessed its wrongful and malicious use by those very close to the Dr. His followers use it to rank all sorts of things using the Map of Consciousness as a reference: people, countries, events, movies, music, etc. Before each lecture-performance, he tests the audience to see how on the Map of Consciousness they are as a group, i.e., how close to enlightenment and therefore how far from the spiritual- dregs. Amazingly, the groups lectured to always start very high on this logarithmic scale. After the lecture, he retests the group (using his wife as the agent) and they always go up the scale five to ten points. His testing shows that very few humans climb the Map of Consciousness by more than five points in a lifetime. Thus, the lectures are a great investment! - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent! Perfect! This is it- Thanks for posting this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Making the rounds of discussion: Subject: relief from the perception of time This is dense, but gorgeous.. With incorporation into daily life, a spiritual practice can take the form of the continuous surrendering of Volition, which then emerges into autonomous witnessing and effortless observation. These capacities will then be discovered to be qualities of consciousness, and not personal. Concentrated spiritual focus is like a 'mind set' by which spiritual processing becomes prioritized. Eventually, the illusion of a distinct, separate, personal 'I' that is 'doing' the processing drops away. The phenomenon is then witnessed to be happening spontaneously of its own. A fast track to this effortless state is provided by the simple technique of focused relinquishment of resisting the perception/experiencing of the passage or duration of time. This is a surprisingly simple yet very powerful technique, and the reward is a sudden relief from the constant unconscious pressure of 'time', which subtly contextualizes and colors the experiencing of worldly life. Breaking the dominance of the illusion of time is very doable. It is then discovered that time is a projection from consciousness and only a belief system out which the ego 'time tracks' the witnessing of the emergence of phenomena. With release from dominance, there is a great sense of freedom and inner joy. - Dr. David R. Hawkins
[FairfieldLife] Re: Satsang Fairfield
--Fear, no; but concern about bogus practices and flim-flam artists such as Hawkins, yes. From wiki: However, many studies of Applied Kinesiology have failed to show clinical efficacy. For example, muscle testing has not been shown to distinguish a test substance from a placebo under double-blind conditions, and the use of applied kinesiology to evaluate nutrient status has not been shown to be more effective than random guessing. Some scientific studies have shown that applied kinesiology tests are not reproducible.[22][23][24][25][26] A review of several scientific studies have shown that AK-specific procedures and diagnostic tests concluded that When AK is disentangled from standard orthopedic muscle testing, the few studies evaluating unique AK procedures either refute or cannot support the validity of AK procedures as diagnostic tests. The evidence to date does not support the use of [manual muscle testing] for the diagnosis of organic disease or pre/subclinical conditions.[3] Another concluded that There is little or no scientific rationale for these methods. Results are not reproducible when subject to rigorous testing and do not correlate with clinical evidence of allergy.[27] - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: its hearsay-- some people are afraid of everything. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: --from http://skepdic.com ...on Dr. Hawkins: Some of the statements made by this otherwise kind and intelligent man are shocking, i.e., as to kinesiology. With the increased sales of his books and other materials, the concern I have is that this nonsense could become an insane tool for wrong. I have witnessed its wrongful and malicious use by those very close to the Dr. His followers use it to rank all sorts of things using the Map of Consciousness as a reference: people, countries, events, movies, music, etc. Before each lecture-performance, he tests the audience to see how on the Map of Consciousness they are as a group, i.e., how close to enlightenment and therefore how far from the spiritual- dregs. Amazingly, the groups lectured to always start very high on this logarithmic scale. After the lecture, he retests the group (using his wife as the agent) and they always go up the scale five to ten points. His testing shows that very few humans climb the Map of Consciousness by more than five points in a lifetime. Thus, the lectures are a great investment! - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: Excellent! Perfect! This is it- Thanks for posting this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Making the rounds of discussion: Subject: relief from the perception of time This is dense, but gorgeous.. With incorporation into daily life, a spiritual practice can take the form of the continuous surrendering of Volition, which then emerges into autonomous witnessing and effortless observation. These capacities will then be discovered to be qualities of consciousness, and not personal. Concentrated spiritual focus is like a 'mind set' by which spiritual processing becomes prioritized. Eventually, the illusion of a distinct, separate, personal 'I' that is 'doing' the processing drops away. The phenomenon is then witnessed to be happening spontaneously of its own. A fast track to this effortless state is provided by the simple technique of focused relinquishment of resisting the perception/experiencing of the passage or duration of time. This is a surprisingly simple yet very powerful technique, and the reward is a sudden relief from the constant unconscious pressure of 'time', which subtly contextualizes and colors the experiencing of worldly life. Breaking the dominance of the illusion of time is very doable. It is then discovered that time is a projection from consciousness and only a belief system out which the ego 'time tracks' the witnessing of the emergence of phenomena. With release from dominance, there is a great sense of freedom and inner joy. - Dr. David R. Hawkins
[FairfieldLife] Dr. Weil on chia seed
Q What Is Chia? I heard that chia is a good source of omega-3 fatty acids, but I don't know what it is, where to get it or what to do with it. Can you enlighten me? A Answer (Published 5/15/2006) Chia is an edible seed that comes from the desert plant Salvia hispanica, a member of the mint family that grows abundantly in southern Mexico. You may have seen chia sprouts growing on the novelty planters called Chia Pets, but historically, the seeds have been the most important part of the plant. In pre-Columbian times they were a main component of the Aztec and Mayan diets and were the basic survival ration of Aztec warriors. I've read that one tablespoon was believed to sustain an individual for 24 hours. The Aztecs also used chia medicinally to stimulate saliva flow and to relieve joint pain and sore skin. Related Weil Products Dr. Weil on Healthy Aging for Healthy Eating - Looking for easy, healthy ways to eat? The Dr. Weil on Healthy Aging online guide has hundreds of recipes, eating guides, shopping lists and more. Don't miss out - join today and get 14 days free! Chia is very rich in omega-3 fatty acids, even more so than flax seeds. And it has another advantage over flax: chia is so rich in antioxidants that the seeds don't deteriorate and can be stored for long periods without becoming rancid. And, unlike flax, they do not have to be ground to make their nutrients available to the body. Chia seeds also provide fiber (25 grams give you 6.9 grams of fiber) as well as calcium, phosphorus, magnesium, manganese, copper, iron, molybdenum, niacin, and zinc. Another advantage: when added to water and allowed to sit for 30 minutes, chia forms a gel. Researchers suggest that this reaction also takes place in the stomach, slowing the process by which digestive enzymes break down carbohydrates and convert them into sugar. advertisement Chia has a nutlike flavor. You can mix seeds in water and add lime or lemon juice and sugar to make a drink known in Mexico and Central America as chia fresca. As with ground flax seeds, you can sprinkle ground or whole chia seeds on cereal, in yogurt or salads, eat them as a snack, or grind them and mix them with flour when making muffins or other baked goods. I find them tasty and an interesting addition to my diet. Chia is undergoing something of a renaissance after centuries of neglect. It was a major crop in central Mexico between 1500 and 900 B.C. and was still cultivated well into the 16th century, AD, but after the Spanish conquest, authorities banned it because of its close association with Aztec religion (Indians used the seeds as offerings in rituals). Until recently, chia was produced by only a few small growers, but commercial production has resumed in Latin America, and you can now buy the seeds online and in health food stores. Because of its nutritional value and stability, chia is already being added to a range of foods. Research has shown that adding it to chicken feed makes for eggs rich in omega-3s. Feeding chia to chickens enriches their meat with omega-3s; fed to cattle chia enriches milk with omega-3s. Chia can also be added to commercially prepared infant formulas, baby foods, baked goods, nutrition bars, yogurt, and other foods. Another bonus: insects don't like the chia plant so it is easier to find organically grown varieties. I expect we'll soon be hearing much more about chia and its health benefits. Andrew Weil, M.D.
[FairfieldLife] Chopra on the Love-Guru
LOS ANGELES - Deepak Chopra has something to say about Hindu opposition to Mike Myers' new movie: Get over it. The best-selling author and spiritual teacher is defending The Love Guru, a comedy in which Myers plays an aspiring self-help guru who aims to achieve Chopra's level of popularity. Chopra posted an essay online in response to those in the Hindu community who say The Love Guru is offensive and mocks important tenets of their faith. The premature outcry against the movie is itself religious propaganda, Chopra writes, noting that the protesters based their views on the film's 2 1/2-minute trailer. As viewers will find out when the movie is released this summer, no one is more thoroughly skewered in it than I am you could even say that I am made to seem preposterous. Chopra, who makes a cameo appearance in the film, said he and Myers have been friends for 15 years. The two appeared together last year in an episode of Iconoclasts, a series of short documentaries on the Sundance Channel, and Myers wrote the foreword to Chopra's latest book, Why is God Laughing? which explores the relationship between comedy and spirituality. Chopra inadvertently inspired The Love Guru. During a period of depression, Myers discovered Chopra's books and videos and began imitating his accent, Chopra said. Myers tried out his new character in New York comedy clubs and began to write the film. The teachings in this comedy are fictional and non-denominational, Myers told The AP in a statement. They are based on a made up system called D.R.A.M.A. D.R.A.M.A. is Distraction, Regression, Adjustment, Maturity and Action. It's a mythical creation. It's like The Force in 'Star Wars.' The comedian sought Chopra's blessing on the concept and script before moving forward with the movie, Chopra told The Associated Press. He said, 'Listen, it's kind of a satire. It's a lampoon,' Chopra said, recalling Myers' words. He said on the surface it's like that, but on a deeper level, it's a tribute. Myers has the most profound understanding of Eastern wisdom, traditions and spirituality, Chopra said. In the end, the movie is about self-esteem and love. It is about, in fact, love being the ultimate truth. He goes about it in a very silly, humorous way, but that's his style. Rajan Zed, a self-described Hindu leader who has led protests against The Love Guru, says the film appears to be lampooning Hinduism and Hindus and uses sacred terms frivolously. People are not very well-versed in Hinduism, so this might be their only exposure, he told the AP in March. They will have an image in their minds of stereotypes. They will think most of us are like that. But Chopra, who cites various spiritual influences but does not consider himself religious in the traditional sense, said the film is all in fun and could increase awareness of Hindu culture. He called Zed's efforts a cry for importance and a sign of deep insecurity. It's a sign that your faith has become a cover up for all your insecurities because you can't even take a joke, Chopra said. Mike is bringing attention to some very profound truths and these people haven't even seen the movie. Paramount Pictures is set to release The Love Guru June 20. ___ On the Net:
[FairfieldLife] Kirpal Singh visits Rishikesh, comments on the Sahasra.
For those unfamiliar with Sant Mat, a major goal (as a required means toward what they call Self and God Realization), is rising above bodily consciousness - i.e. separation of the subtle body into higher dimensions via the 3-rd eye. The phrase transcending the body in Singh's tradition has an altogether different meaning than MMY's usage of the term transcendence. In the following narrative, Kirpal Singh (died in 1974) makes a curious statement regarding a Yogi from Rishikesh who had attained the Sahasra or first plane level: When my Master left the body, I had to go to the wilderness. I had some experience of the jungle and secluded places for five or six months. I went to [Rishikesh] the home of Hindu theology, so to say. Shivananda, who has since passed away, lived there, and many other yogis as well. I went there and lived in a jungle across the river. I met everybody. All were intellectual wrestlers; debating clubs; all performing this elementary step: how to say prayers, how to perform certain rites and certain rituals. And most of them were doing hatha yoga practices. Of course, with due deference to it, it makes the body fit - that's all right. There was also one fellow, who is still alive, called Raghuvacharya. He's an old man now - I think 106 -107 years old - but he gets around like anything. When I went to see him, people said, Oh, he never cares for anybody. When I was about more than 100 or 150 yards away, he appeared; he was sitting on his feet. He looked at me and he stood up. People said, That's strange. He has never cared for any man, yet he stood up. He came forward and met me, and we had a talk. And in the talk it came out that he went to the first plane: to Sahasrara. I found only one man who had transcended the body and reached the first stage. He said that what he had learned by going through all the Shastras, Vedas and Upanishads, I have come to know something which you speak by yourself! [Raghuvacharya left the earth plane in 1971, at the age of 115.] That is the grace of my Master. Masters give you a digest of all this knowledge, which is called para vidya. So I found only one man there. The world is not without them, but there have been very few in the past, and even now there are few. You'll find that most of them will give you only: Read this mantra, this shabda, this scripture, daily. They'll simply perform this ritual in this way or perform that prayer by lighting a candle or ringing a bell - whatever is the custom. Everyone has his own rituals and rites. That is right; prayer is a very good thing: the prayer that gushes out of the heart, God hears, and He makes some arrangement to bring you to Him. And some people direct you to make your body fit. That's good; but that's not spirituality: that's a helping factor for spirituality. Some teach you how to prolong your life - that's all right. Some teach you how to mesmerize others, how to hypnotize others, how you can read the minds of others. But all this is not spirituality. How many are there who really give you an experience of how to rise above body- consciousness?
[FairfieldLife] Statement of Maharshi Mehi Paramhans (1885-1986)
This Guru sought to fuse Sant Mat with the traditional Vedic sciences; but having a background in Sant Mat, his position on God is quite clear: one's subtle body must be able to separate itself from the physical body; and only then does true knowledge of God take place. A devotee is driven by an intense zeal to see God. That alone is the ultimate goal. The jeevaatmaa would identify itself and the God with the help of, or through, itself, but only after getting detached from the body, organs, (mind and intellect). We should learn the way to get detached from the body, organs, mind and intellect, the way to identify our own Self. The practice (of the method thus learnt) should be so vigorous that we can lift ourselves beyond body, organs etc; so that we can abide within ourselves as well as identify God. Sants have taught the way to this. For instance, what is `roop' (form/shape)? That which can be known with eyes. What is `shabd' (sound or word)? That which our ears can grasp. What is `ras' (taste)? That which can be perceived by the tongue. What is `gandha' (smell)? That which can be detected by the nose. What is `sparsh'? That which is discernible through the skin. Likewise, what is God? What are you within yourself? The answer to both these questions is the same: that which you (the soul) can identify within yourself. God is perceived through perception of the Self. Whatever is perceived by the conscious soul, transcending all the domains of `jad' (ignorant or devoid of consciousness) is God. What is God? That which is knowable only to the pure, conscious soul. The method or the means, through which the conscious soul can separate itself from the body, organs, (mind, intellect etc) and can keep it with itself, all alone, is the (truest or genuine) worship of God. Please keep this in mind.
[FairfieldLife] newspaper articles on Yogananda
from a Radhaswami website: Newspaper Articles on Yogananda -- Los Angeles Times, Wednesday, October 25, 1939: SWAMI SOUGHT IN DAMAGE SUIT Determined that he shall not become a vanishing Hindu, process servers were conducting a far-flung search yesterday for Swami Yogananda, Indian cultist accused in a sensational $500,000 damage suit, of amazing goings on with feminine followers. Aiding in the search was the plaintiff, Nirad Ranjan Chowdbury, also known as Sir Nerode, former associate of Yogananda, who maintains a palatial abode on Mount Washington and also boasts a high class hideaway at Encinitas. Chowdbury's charges took on a spice not generally associated with the spiritual repose of Yogism as the swami was sought by minions of the plaintiffs attorneys, Harold E. Krowech and Theodorn E. Bowen. PREACHES HE IS GOD After pointing out that Yogananda teaches that he is God, or Paramahansa, Chowdbury, Calcutta-born, Harvard educated student of East Indian religious philosophy, alleged that the swami has been for the past year trying to break up the marriage between the plaintiff and his wife, and that Yogananda prevented the plaintiff's wife from having proper care during the pregnancy of her child. Moreover, Chowdbury alleges that the swami teaches that: The members of the congregation must not get married because their first love must be to God through Swami Yogananda and that if they should be married that their first loyalties are to Swami Yogananda and not to their spouse. IRREGULAR PRACTICES Picturing highly irregular practices in the cult quarters on Mount Washington, the plaintiff declared that the swami has young girls in the immediate vicinity of his room going in and out all hours of the night. The younger girls are kept segregated from older women, Chowdbury charges, adding: Young girls have free access to the rooms of said Swami Yognanda and that said Swami Yogananda forbids said young girls who attend him from going out with other men and forbids them to go out at all except with him. At his Encinitas palace, Chowdbury charges, Yogananda maintains caves and rooms for meditation that are not in keeping with the standard of religious meditation...and that the places of mediation are too secretive and ornate of construction to be used for the purpose of spiritual mediation, all of which is contrary to spiritual practices, contrary to Hindu philosophy and contrary to the purposes and objectives of the partnership. ROMANTIC TO MERCENARY Changing from the romantic to the mercenary tack, Chowdbury declared that the swami has used contributions from his cultists to foster his ambitious and private ends. The plaintiff accused the swami of using the teachings of Yogoda and Hindu Philosophy for the sole purpose of creating a personalized interpretation of defendant Swami Yogananda as a divinity...so as to force upon the members of the congregation and others the interpretations that God talks only through Swami Yogananda. Chowdbury said yesterday that while a graduate student at Harvard he met Yogananda, who then was lecturing in the East, became interested in the swami's teachings, and was made a partner with the swami in the cult only to be frozen out last January, after the long-haired cult leader had transferred his interests from the East to Los Angeles, where he is said to have attracted as followers scores of Los Angeles women and girls. PURELY COMMERCIAL After the freeze out, Chowdbury said he became convinced that Swami Yogananda was engaged at all times in a purely commercial venture for the purpose of his own personal gain, and that his activities had no connection with the true Hindu Self-realization philosophy. At the cult headquarters, a crisp young woman attache reported that the swami is due back today. He lectured in San Diego Monday night, she said. entheogenesis Lieutenant Commander Posts: 7 (2/9/04 10:14 pm) Reply Re: Newspaper Articles on Yogananda -- -- [Newspaper clipping from another Los Angeles newspaper.] Wednesday, October 25th, 1939 Headline: SWAMI CALLS ACCUSER 'CHISELER' Even the benign and almost imperturbable calm of a swami has its limits. Last night as Swami Yogananda returned here to find himself facing a $500,000 damage suit filed by Rihad Ranjan Chowdhury [Sri Nerode], who claims a partnership in this Mount Washington cult of Self Realization headed by the swami, that limit was reached. The dirty chiseler, the swami exploded. The Hindu mystic who returned here from a lecture engagement in San Diego where he had expounded the benefits of self denial and self control, regained some of his composure and went on. The charges made against me are scurrilous and without foundation, the result of an underhand attempt to discredit me in the eyes of my followers,
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mehi Paramahansa on the Sounds of creation
Subsequently, the sounds of the centers of the upper Realms are subtler than the sounds of the lower realms. Therefore, the sound originated from the center of the above realm and is sequentially grasped from the realm immediately under it. For example, the sound of the Subtle Realm can be grasped from the center or core of the Gross Realm; the sound of the Causal Realm can be grasped from the center or core of the Subtle Realm. The sequence progresses until the Divine Sound which originated from the center of the Realm of Pure Consciousness or the Supreme Sovereign will be grasped from the center of the Supra-Causal Realm. The consciousness drawn by the sound will meet with the Supreme Sovereign and after becoming one will lose its existence. This is the culmination of the spiritual journey, the journey of seeking direct knowledge of the Supreme Sovereign. The Original Divine Sound, which originated from the Supreme Sovereign, continuously without break reverberates throughout the hearts of the entire macrocosm and microcosm. The Sound will inherently go on for the duration of creation because the evolution of creation depends upon the existence of sound. Should the Sound cease so would creation. The ancient sages call this Original Supra- Cosmic Sound Om. The literature of Indian saints speaks of the Original Sound as the Nirguna Ram Nam (Unqualified All Pervading Sound), Satya-nam (the Eternal Sound), Adi-nam (Eternal Word, the Name or Sound of the beginning) and Sar Shabd (the Quintessential Sound). It is therefore useless to search the streams of the spiritual sounds outside oneself. This task of holding sounds will be accomplished through following the internal spiritual path under the guidance of a spiritual master. Through the practice of meditation one can progressively move the consciousness inward within oneself. In the beginning the practice of subtle meditation is difficult to accomplish owing to its unfamiliarity. Through the initial practice of Manas jap (repetition of mantra [simran]), the mind begins to focus. Then one progresses to the subtler practice of Manas dhyan (dhyan, the form of deity) and prepares for the subtle meditation. Subsequently, through Drshti Yoga [Yoga of Inner Light] one practices one-pointedness. Finally, through the practice of Surat-Shabd-Yoga (the Yoga of Sound) the transcending of all the Realms is achieved. -- Maharishi Mehi Paramahansa Ji, The Philosophy of Liberation (Moksha-Darsan)
[FairfieldLife] Shri Shahi Swamiji Maharaj on the Domain of Light and Sound
When our sight becomes fixed, the World or Domain of Light opens up, spotless Sun is seen. And, thus, rain andheree mit gayee, baajai anahad toor (The dark night has come to an end, and countless varieties of enchanting sounds are heard reverberating.), as described by Sant Kabir, is realized in practice. The art to this practice is secret (has to be learnt from an adept master or Guru). However, obstinacy won't help here (It is to be noted here that obstinacy is distinct from tenacity of purpose Translator). For this, one has to begin with `Maanas Jap' (also, Manas Jap) reciting, with full concentration, the holy mantra given by the Guru and then has to internally visualize the gross form of the Guru (known as `Maanas Dhyaan' or Manas Dhyan). Maanas Jap puts a brake on the restlessness, flirtatiousness or naughtiness of the mind, whereas Maanas Dhyaan orients the mind in one particular direction, and, thus, one becomes introverted. `Drishti Saadhan' or Drishti Sadhan (The Yoga of Light, which has to be practiced after Maanas Dhyaan) helps accomplishing the single mindedness and one can testify to the veracity of the sants' claim Vindu me tanh naad bolai (Naad or Sound reverberates in the Light or Vindu). `Naad Dhyaan' enables to realize the Supreme Sovereign Soul. This is what Sants and Great Souls teach.
[FairfieldLife] Shiva sutras
from http://www.shivashakti.com Shiva Sutra is divided into three sections and gives the core of the inner yoga practice and philosophy not only of Kashmir Shaivism but also of many other tantrik traditions. First section 1. Consciousness is the being. 2. Knowledge the fetters. 3. The yoni divisions are the body of time. 4. The matrikas are the seat of knowledge. 5. Endeavour is Bhairava. 6. In the union of the circle of the Shaktis is the dissolution of the universe. 7. The fourth enjoys and is contained in the states of waking, dreaming and deep sleeping. 8. Knowledge is the waking state. 9. False imagining is the dream state. 10. Want of awareness is Maya, deep sleep. 11. The triad eaten by a Lord Hero. 12. Surprise-wonderment is the place of yoga. 13. Iccha Shakti is Uma, the Virgin. 14. All things the body. 15. When the collective-observation-shock is in the heart, dream vision disappears. 16. From being aware of the pure essence comes the shakti of non- duality. 17. Deliberation-pondering is being-wisdom. 18. World bliss is samadhi happiness. 19. In the abode of Shakti is creation of the body. 20. The collective abode of the elements is the universe, the elements separately are the shocks. 21. From the appearance of pure knowledge come the many Shaktis of the lord of the circle (of the Shaktis). 22. By concentrating on the transcendent lake of female energy, mantra life is obtained. Second section 1. Consciousness the mantra. 2. Endeavour the method. 3. The science-body-being the secret of mantra. 4. In the womb state of consciousness expansion the inferior science of the dream state. 5. In the arising of vidya, spontaneously, one may move in the void, like Shiva. 6. By means of the guru. 7. Awakened knowledge is the circle of the letters of the alphabet. 8. The body is the sacrifical ladle. 9. Knowledge is the food. 10. From the heap of knowledge arising from seeing in the dream state. Third section 1. The being is consciousness. 2. Knowledge the fetters. 3. From the kalas, the thing called in non discrimination, Maya. 4. In the body the dissolution of the kalas. 5. The nadi dissolution is the victory over the elements, freedom from the elements, separation of the elements. 6. Siddhi from the appearance of delusion. 7. The victory over delusion is the victory of spontaneous knowledge, which is of endless extent. 8. From the waking state, the world is a ray. 9. The essence is the dancer. 10. The inner essence is the theatre stage. 11. The sense organs are the audience. 12. Insight from will is the pure siddhi. 13. Accomplishment means transformation into independence. 14. As there, so elsewhere. 15. Attention is the bija. 16. Asana is the happiness of immersion in Shakti. 17. One's own measure is the measure suitable for measuring, giving guidance. 18. Imperishable knowledge means destruction of births. 19. In the Ka-series are Maheshvari and so forth, the beast-mothers. 20. Pour the fourth in the three like oil diffusing in water. 21. One should enter, immersed, by one's own consciousness. 22. Equally the practice of breath produces a similar sight. 23. In the centre, emanating the lower. 24. In the measure of one's own trust in the abode is this prevented again from appearing. 25. One knows equality with Shiva. 26. The existence of the body becomes a religious vow. 27. Conversation is mantra recitation. 28. The act of offering is being-wisdom. 29. Whosoever is in this state is the means of knowledge. 30. The universe becomes an aggregate of his Shaktis. 31. Both maintenance and dissolution. 32. Though subject to the cyclic law, one is not excluded from self experience. 33. Happiness and sadness become external. 34. Set free from that, one is complete. 35. The being of action is a heap of delusion. 36. Sundering the internal stream proceeding from action. 37. The creative Shakti from one's own spirit-perception-feeling. 38. The primordial animating one with three parts. 39. Observation remaining, the body creates action externally. 40. From wanting external actions arises the collective being. 41. When really reaching that, through its destruction, the embodied being is destroyed. 42. When the element-sheaths are released, at that time one becomes supreme and equal to the lord. 43. The inherent union of breath. 44. What is meant by restraint in the centre of the brow? The left and right in the central channel. 45. Again and again comes all encompassing awareness. Notes 1. The Fourth, i.e. Shiva, with
[FairfieldLife] typical Neo-Advaitin nonsense from U.G. Krishnamurti
from a website: (U.G. Krishnamuri believed that thought is the enemy). A: As I said the last time, this separateness from the totality of things around us, and the idea that the whole thing is created for our benefit and that we are created for a grander and nobler purpose than all the other species on this, planet, are the causes of this destruction. This powerful use of thought is what is destructive. Thought is a self-protective mechanism. So anything that is born out of thought is destructive -- whether it is religious thought or scientific thought or political thought -- all of them are destructive. But we are not ready to accept that it is thought that is our enemy. We don't know how to function in this world without the use of thought. You can invent all kinds of things and try to free yourself from this stranglehold of thought, but there is no way we can accept the fact that that is not the instrument to help us to function sanely and intelligently in this world. Thought is a self- perpetuating mechanism. It controls, moulds, shapes our ideas and actions. Idea and action -- they are one and the same. All our actions are born out of ideas. Our ideas are thoughts passed on to us from generation to generation. Thought is not the instrument to help us to live in harmony with the life around us. That is why you create all these ecological problems, problems of pollution, and the problem of possibly destroying ourselves with the most destructive weapons that we have invented. So, there is no way out. You may say that I am a pessimist, that I am a cynic, or that I am this, that, and the other. But I hope one day we will realize that the mistakes we have made will destroy everything. The planet is not in danger. We are in danger
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pranava Veda
--(more ascended Master stuff from the Theosophists - so much for the 10,000 year old Scripture).: from Wiki: The Pranava-Vada of Gargyayana (pranava-vâda is the Sanskrit for uttering of Pranava (AUM)) is a book by Bhagavan Das, published in three volumes in years 1910-1913 by the Theosophical Society, Adyar with notes by Annie Besant. Das alleges that the work is a summarised translation of an otherwise unknown ancient text by a sage called Gargyayana. Das states that the text was dictated to him from memory by one Pandit Dhanaraja, a theosophist friend of his who was blind in both eyes and had died before the book's publication. f- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, drjmercay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This translation project is probably one of the most important projects in modern times. Maharishi often spoke of his desire to speak on the Brhama Sutraas. This is the source text on the Brahma Sutra. If anyone would like to contribute to this translation project it would be imensly appreciated. Both large and small donations are needed. For information please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Ah yes, the Pranava Veda of Mamuni Mayan. It's said to be the original Veda, the Aryan version (i.e. Rig Ved, et al) being a corrupted, later version. Whereas Rig Ved is only about 3000 y.o., the original, in Tamil, goes back (allegedly) 10,000 years. The Pranava Ved, unlike it's Aryan counterpart, can be used by any caste, not just the Brahmins. I heard someone was doing a translation. Is it published in English yet? On Nov 1, 2007, at 12:49 PM, Rick Archer wrote: From a friend: I received this this morning from Dr. Jessie Mercay and did not want to wait to send it as it is so profound and full of the most significant potential for our own well being. Dr. Mercay is sponsoring Dr. Sabharathnam to the United States. He is the pandit and scholar who is translating the Pranava Veda. The following is an email exchange that just occurred between them. If you have not started to help sponsor Dr. Sabharathnam and wish to do so you may contact Dr. Mercay directly at vastu2vaastu@ I especially like this because you can feel directly the ancient and most traditional elements of knowledge and experience very deeply in Dr. Sabharathnam's words. - blaine As I have been reading the verses of Pranava Veda that Dr. Sabarhatanam has been sending I have been observing my inner experience in relationship to the structure and content of the verses. I noticed a pattern that I think you will find interesting. Here is the note I wrote him and the comment he wrote back: Dear Dr. Sabharathnam, Thank you for pv 41-50. It seems that Mayan alternates between very concrete and very abstract ideas. He talks about the Primal lord then talks about construction (architecture/building)... back and forth - Abstract unmanifest then back to concrete manifestation. Shilpi and then Shilpa. Vastu and then Vaastu. This alternation seems to have the effect of taking the mind through Vastureva vaastu in a sense. In other words, we automatically have an internal experience of the unmanifest and the manifest by reading this text. This seems to create a profound inner experience and a form or ordering and purifying of the mind. It is a subtle point but the effect seems profound. It is also an interesting teaching technique. Would you agree with me on this point? Dr. S emailed me back the following: Dear Jessie, Congrats. What you have observed is correct. I am very much happy to observe your exact technique of understanding the verses of the Pranava Veda. Each time I send the translation I would have my own doubt whether this could be easily understandable to you, because of the terse and minute subject matter. Now I have come out of that hesitation and doubt. You understand the exact import of the text in the most accurate way and by such correct understanding you enter the main shrine of the verse to see the inner message face to face. You have given me the fullest confidence to go ahead without hesitation. The whole text is like that. Since Mayan reveals what he has known through deep medidation directly, we cannot expect a systematic presentation as we see in a thesis writing. It is our duty to present what Mayan has told in the Pranava Veda, in an orderly and systematic way. After completing the translation, let us bring out a separate book on Pranava Veda. I wanted to post this so that you will have more insight into the import of this many faceted work. This translation is not a simple task nor is the text just another text. More importantly, I want you to understand that as we
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras
--- Right, stress can be reduced, as well as overall suffering (if one can even measure such things). However, I take issue with the Neo- Advaitin claim that suffering is eliminated. The main problem with Neo-Advaitinism is that is allows for no gradations or progressions of evolution. It seems: one has just to get it; and with an AHA!; all sufferings vanish. Remarkable! In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you realize this, all discontent and mental suffering come to an end, you are liberated: you know that you are free and immortal. You don't have to be reborn or come back anymore. My comment: I haven't seen much evidence that all discontent is eliminated. Also, Ramakrishna and Ramana died of cancer. We're not talking about medical condition, such as cancer or physical suffering due to disease or accidents. This discussion, or at least I thought it was, is about mental anguish, mental discontent and distraction brought about by heavy stress of everyday living. Although, from what I've read heavy stress can be the cause of a pathological condition, which might require therapy of some kind. If so, then I have cited numerous points of evidence to support my theory of stress reduction through yogic means - Patanjali and Marshy. My theory is supprted by several medical experts that I mentioned: Hans Selye, MD., Ph.D. Abraham Maslow, Ph.D. Bernie Siegel, M.D. Herbert Benson, M.D. Did anybody here suggest that cancer or a broken leg could be healed using the power of positive thinking? I think not. Even Antohony Robbins doesn't make these kinds of claims.
[FairfieldLife] Kirpal Singh on Life beyond Death
from http://www.santhakar.tripod.com (Kirpal Singh - died 1974 on exiting from the physical body at will). This is an advanced Sidhi in the Kriya Yoga tradition. Life Beyond Death Saints say that Nature has designed man to leave his physical body at will, transcend to higher spiritual planes, and then return to the body. They help each aspirant personally and each receives a practical experience, however little it may be, during the very first sitting at the time of Initiation. A person who is competent to give a man this Personal experience of withdrawal or separation (temporary) from the body, and who can thus put him on the way back to God, is a genuine Master, Saint or Satguru. The heads of different religious organizations were intended to do just this, but we may judge for ourselves their efficacy today. The first-hand experience we receive, through the kindness of a real Saint, is in itself the solution to the problem of death. According to the Bible, 'Unless you are born anew, you cannot enter into the Kingdom of Heaven'. So to be born anew is to leave one's body and enter into the beyonda transition from the physical to the astral plane. Some day we have to leave this temporary structure, which like a building of bricks and mortar, deteriorates with time. There is no appeal to the Laws of Nature against the 'Death Sentence. We fear death because of the agony and suffering which it brings, and also about the uncertainty that lies ahead in the Beyond. We fear illness because it brings us near death's door; so we struggle to live though we know that our end is certain. No soothing words from doctors, friends, relatives or priests can bring peace and comfort to our minds at the time that Nature's destructive process commences. This is the natural course of things and we cannot deceive Nature. What then is the remedy? There is only one way out of this abyss of despair, which is to adopt and accustom ourselves, during our lifetime, to Nature's process of the withdrawal of the spirit current from the body, while still in a conscious state. This may be done with the help of a Master, and may be accomplished without any suffering or trouble whatsoever. This is not only a possibility but is a remarkable fact. Our joy will know no bounds when we come into possession of the secret that has baffled man for so many centuries. We become Supermen, having possession of a key to peace and heaven, the life of which we had till then only read about in sacred scriptures. Arise, therefore, and awake! before it is too late to put this Science into practice. If we observe closely the process of death in a dying man, we see the pupils of his eyes turn upwards a little (afterwards they may return to normal), and then he becomes senseless. But when they draw upwards too much, he dies. Life ebbs out via the root of the eyes and becomes disconnected from the ties of the physical body and the sense organs. Knowledge of this process and the method by which we may travel this Way during our very lifetime, is the solution to the problem of death. No physical exercises are necessary; there are no drugs to swallow and no blind faith to cultivate. The mystery of life and death is solved easily with the help of a Master-Saint, who will give you an experience of the process and put you on the highway to the inner realms. Even when acting indirectly through an authorized agent, he still remains the responsible power. Distance is immaterial to the Masters. What is there to be gained by this process? This cannot be described in words. At the time of Initiation, the aspirant sees the real Light within him, whereas normally the inner eye iscovered by a thick veil of darkness. He then realizes that the tradition of the lighted candle found in churches and temples is to remind him of the Divine Light of Heaven within. This Light grows to the radiance of several suns put together as he advances on the Way. He understands that the unceasing internal Sound he contacts within is the Divine Link called 'Word' by Christ, 'Kalma' and 'Nida-i-Asmani' in the Quran, 'Nad' in the Vedas, 'Udgit' in the Upanishads, 'Sarosha' by the Zoroastrians and 'Naam and Shabd' by the Saints and Masters. In time, he meets the Master within, talks to him face to face and is henceforth certain of his grace, guidance and protection wherever he may go, even to the other end of the world. With such evident proofs before him, he is now confident of himself and of the Science. Only then can he be called a theist in the true sense of the word and can smile at those who talk of religion as a fool's paradise, a phantom conjured up by crafty priests, and the opium of the masses. He has found a sure ingress through the doorway of heaven in this life, and is on the threshold of viewing, both internally and externally, the secrets of Nature. He is verily 'knocking at the door of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras
---You still haven't provided any evidence (aside from your usual appeal to dead Authorities) that Self-Realization eliminates suffering DURING one's physical lifetime. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I take issue with the Neo-Advaitin claim that suffering is eliminated. Well, I wasn't referring to 'Neo-Awaitin' claims - whatever they may be. But it's a fact that all but one system of Indian philosophy agrees with the Sankhya notion that life is essentially marked by suffering, with the exception of Mimamsa. This notion is based on the doctrine espoused by the historical Buddha, Shakya the Muni, and outlined in the 'Twelvefold Chain of Causation' and in the 'Four Noble Truths'. It's a fact that Patanjali begins the Yoga Sutras by declaring that life is essentially suffering caused by ignorance. But, the practice of any of the limbs of yoga does not bring the liberation. The main problem with Neo-Advaitinism is that is allows for no gradations or progressions of evolution. It seems: one has just to get it; and with an AHA!; all sufferings vanish. Remarkable! It's very remarkable, because apparently all we have to do is *realize* the truth of the non-dual. It's not a deep philosophical doctrine, in fact, it's dirt simple: 'There are not two; there is only One'. Only a sophist, a deluded, deep thinker would even entertain the idea of a complicated metaphysics that proposed a multitude of realities. Only a rascally group of city-slicker priests would dream up a fanciful cosmos filled with various spirits, jinns, and demons all hanging from a Jambudvipa tree, all trying to confuse the poor people and get in their pant pockets. It is an 'AHA' moment, as you say; it is a *realization* that there is only One Self, not a multitude of individual soul-monads, re-incarnating in various forms including humans, and sometimes, dwarfs.
[FairfieldLife] Mercedes de Acosta meets the Sages
http://www.angelfire.com/realm/bodhisattva/deacosta.html
[FairfieldLife] And miles to go before I sleep
Robert Frost: Stopping By Woods On A Snowy Evening Whose woods these are I think I know. His house is in the village though; He will not see me stopping here To watch his woods fill up with snow. My little horse must think it queer To stop without a farmhouse near Between the woods and frozen lake The darkest evening of the year. He gives his harness bells a shake To ask if there is some mistake. The only other sound's the sweep Of easy wind and downy flake. The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep.
[FairfieldLife] The dangers of pseudo-Advaita
from http://www.angelfire.com BELOW THE INTRODUCTION FROM A PAPER BY AZIZ KRISTOF Although not always thought so as such, Advaita actually falls under the auspices of the three main branches of VEDANTA: Dvaita Vedanta - the dualistic approach Advaita Vedanta - the non-dualistic approach Kevala Advaita Vedanta - the pure non-dualistic school. The main exponent of Vedanta was the great sage Adi Sankara who was an adept of the Kevala Advaita Vedanta path. In western circles it is not unusual to blend the last two together as well as interposing the words Advaita and Vedanta as having the same meaning, becoming in a sense euphemisms of themselves (satsang is often included as well). Generally speaking it works OK, but when fine tuning the specifics then a more indepth process is usually required. (source). Jerry Katz, in a further clarification, in his Nonduality FAQ website, presents the following as well: Advaita means nonduality. Vedanta means end of the Veda. The Vedas, the most ancient texts of Indian literature, are books on mythology and sacrifice. Their origins are superhuman, their authority divine, the Orthodox believe. The end of the Veda marked the coming of the Upanishads, which are books on the nondual nature of reality, but which offer different levels of nondual understanding, and have even given rise dualism, which says that God and the human body are eternally separate. Providing the Introduction: the Wanderling -- -- The Dangers of Pseudo Advaita now proceeds: We would like to express our concern regarding the recent phenomenon of 'satsang-culture' which in our opinion has impoverished seriously the Orignial Spirit of Advaita. These days many individuals, who have very little or no knowledge at all about the Process of Awakening, feel qualified to give satsang and lead other souls on the Path. Enlightenment has become very cheap these days. Nobody actually really knows what is the meaning of this term as it virtually means everything and nothing. Nowadays, it is sufficient to say 'I am Awakened' in order to give satsang. Because of the unverifiable nature of Enlightenment, this term has been much manipulated. Satsang has been Americanized. In an average satsang-gathering everybody is laughing, showing signs of euphoric and unauthentic joy, while the teacher tries to look like he or she is in a bliss. Just like a TV show. Very few actually meditate. Why to meditate if we are already all Awakened? But Is this really Advaita? Is Advaita a poor repetition of a several slogans like 'There is nobody there,' 'You are That,' You are already Awakened' or 'There is no Path', etc.? Has this anything to do with teaching of great masters like N. Maharaj or Sri Ramana Maharishi? Ramana sat in caves for 20 years before he could be really complete. In his presence disciples had to meditate for months and years before they could receive from him the glimpse of the Self. It is true that New Millennium is a time of global awakening. But this awakening is mostly partial and relative to the level of most people's unconsciousness. It was Jesus who said that there would be a time when many false teachers will teach in the name of Light. It seems to be happening now. Many of these teachers are not necessarily 'bad people' but simply unqualified and lost, in truth. They have believed too quickly in the thought 'I am now ready to teach!' It seems that the pauper-isation of satsang culture began after the death of Poonjaji. Many of his followers started to claim that Poonjaji approved their 'Awakening.' It seems that they just took him too literally. It is an Advaita custom to say 'you are already Awakened.' This is however more a teaching device than a reflection of reality. And even if some of his disciples had a glimpse of Awakening, Poonjaji knew very well that in most cases neither it was permanent nor the final state. An example was Andrew Cohen who was sent to give satsang in the west. He was meant to represent Poonjaji and attract more westerners to Lucknow. But he and others thought that Poonjaji actually conformed his Enlightenment. For that reason, Cohen became very hurt when Poonjaji started to criticize him when he began to act as a master. From this wound came later the magazine 'What is Enlightenment?' which more represents Cohen's own insecurity and an unsuccessful attempt to heal himself than a genuine search for clarity. By the endless investigation into states of all possible masters, and not being able to come to any true conclusion, he has been just confusing his students. The only thing which at the end remains clear from his seemingly 'sincere' efforts to find clarity is that nobody has the least idea 'What Enlightenment Is!' It is not our intention to suggest that nobody reaches Enlightenment. We just wish
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment, Narcissism, and the Abuser Personality
--thx...I agree fully. It's amazing to what degree people can dupe themselves; even (or especially) those in the Neo-Advaitic level. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Springboarding off of an earlier discussion: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip One of my teachers once said (and should have listened to his own advice IMO): Listen to what people say, but watch what they DO. Mr. Enlightened Guy: Some teacher. you have some knack for picking them, huh? first it was the Maharishi who was fucked up, according to you, Next its Rama, who was fucked up, according to you, and you don't like me either-- not that I am a teacher, but it seems unless someone believes exactly the things you do, and lives the way you do, you have big issues with them. Sounds like a case of the whole world is crazy, except Barry. How infantile of you. Let's examine this. Who is it exactly, in the last couple of days, who has been acting infantile? Who is it that, when his holy word was questioned -- first about his claim that no one had ever stood up to Maha- rishi (a complete untruth), and second, when he claimed to know how heaven was decorated -- flew into what appears to many people on this forum as an uncontrollable rage and proceeded to claim that one of his critics was gay and that another was crazy and needed medication? Who basically LOST IT HEAVILY in public and turned abusive? And who, today, is now spouting more pseudo- enlightened bullshit AS IF NOTHING HAD HAPPENED, and expects people to react to his pseudo-enlightened bullshit as if he were really enlightened? There are many names for this. Chronic Abuser Syndrome is one of them. It's the same phenomenon that allows someone lost in narcissism to beat the crap out of his wife and kids one day, and expect them to love him the next. The chronic abuser expects them to forgive and forget, because he HAS forgotten; he honestly can't really *remember* being abusive. But he was. Now apply this syndrome to spiritual teachers you have known and worked with. Have any of them had the occasional problem with flying into rages and ripping someone (possibly even you) a new asshole, and then, often only minutes later, expected you to not only forgive them, but to place your entire future spiritual life in their hands and trust them without question? In my opinion, this is the cycle that our resident Mr. Enlightened Guy is caught in. He really doesn't seem to be able to *remember* embarrassing himself thoroughly the day before. He can't seem to recall that not only did only one person on this forum fall for his gay-baiting troll, *all* others who replied soundly criticized him for pulling it. He can't seem to recall having insulted Sal and do.rflex and others on this forum for having committed the Ultimate Sin -- not taking him as seriously as he takes himself. And now he expects everyone else's memory to be as faulty and as selective as his own. He starts a new day spouting pseudo-enlightened bullshit *as if no one here has any memory of yesterday*, and how abusive and out of control he was then. He expects them to start over and pretend that yesterday never existed, just as he has. (And just as he did when he threw a snit-fit and stalked off the forum some months ago, only to appear a little later with a new user ID, as if *that* could make his embarrassing past go away.) And, mark my words, this new, improved Mr. Enlight- ened Guy ain't gonna last. Within a few more posts, possibly even today, he's going to be back in the abuse cycle again. It'll start the moment someone challenges his holy word, and fails to treat him like the teacher he has delusions of being, while claiming the opposite. He'll lash out at me, or at Sal, or at someone else here, and in his mind that will be the mysterious and unfathomable and unchallengeable workings of enlightenment. And then later he'll spout some more pseudo-enlightened bullshit he picked up from a comic book about enlightenment, and he'll expect everyone here to forget the abuse part of the cycle just as thoroughly as he has. And if they don't, the abuse will start over again. Mr. Enlightened Guy is right about one thing. I had somewhat questionable taste in spiritual teachers. Like many others, I allowed them both to pull this chronic abuser shit for many years until I caught on to it, and stopped being a codependent partici- pant in it through my acceptance of the abuse. I'm certainly not going to enter into a similar code- pendant relationship with another asshole with a narcissism complex out the yin-yang who wants to play abuse games so that people will focus on him. At *least* Maharishi and Rama could talk the talk. Mr. Enlightened Guy can't even do that. Using one's own out-of-control
[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening
--Flaws in your statements: 1. First, you state a fact as if it were certain, saying it's not a belief. Fine - you're just mistaken. Lots of people have seen weather balloons thinking they were ET spaceships. They were mistaken. Your basic problem is using a particular word the big E that can be defined in a certain way but you are using only your own limited criteria. 2. Next, you keep on saying you're not attached to this and that. Big deal! Neither are my coworkers attached to those things. The flaw here is that if you conduct an adequate research of the statements of E'd people; (people assumed to be E'd such as Sakyamuni Buddha and certain successors, Ramana Maharshi, and SBS); you will find that such persons define E BOTH in terms of Presense AND what signs that have occurred on the way to E. Then you say E can't be defined in terms of what goes on in the waking state. Not quite true. E can be defined in terms of Presence AND the subtle signs, some of which may take place in the waking or any other state. Other than stating you once saw Guru Dev, what were the signs of your progress differentiating GC from CC, and UC from GC? 3. Last for now - you say there are misguided notions about E. Right! - yours. We aren't talking about beliefs, just the list of correct criteria which constitutes a definition. You haven't met the criteria; and your list of criteria is rather short and doesn't match even MMY's. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: So, why would I want to save my dying son from cancer through some mystical mumbo-jumbo? What's the point? So I assume that you would try to save him using the best medical care possible. What is the difference? What does any of this have to do with enlightenment? I don't know. I am trying to figure out how a person who believes they are enlightened views the world. Just like in so called real life, it varies from person to person. I don't believe I am enlightened (in other words, why would I carry around this belief? Beliefs must be catalogued and nurtured and cross checked and validated-- what a waste of both time and life) but I will answer your question for myself, personally, as if I am a normal person ;-) (which, believe me I am-- eminently normal...) If I hypothetically had a son and he was dying of cancer, would I try to save his life? Of course- who, except for some delusional 7th day adventists would allow their son to die without any attempt to save him? btw, judging from this question it is a peculiar perspective you have on enlightenment. Again, enlightenment is a normal state of functioning. it encompasses all of the attributes that are typically associated with human beings. And there are no rules to follow or ways that an enlightened person acts, other than as they do. There are some very misguided stories about enlightenment, propogated by those attempting to make sense of the enlightened experience from a standpoint of ignorance, of waking state. It cannot be done. Best to just focus on your own path, if you have one, and forget about all of the speculation.
[FairfieldLife] tenets of Sant Mat
from Wiki: Technically speaking Sant Mat practice involves listening to the Inner Sound, also known in the Holy Bible as 'The Word' or 'logos' contemplating the Inner Light, and (eventually) leaving the human body at will - a practice sometimes referred to as dying while living. The principal intent is to awaken the Soul and unite it with God.[9] Sant Mat is a practical and not a theoretical investigation. [10] Contemporary Sant Mat movements claim to be different in a radical sense from other disciplines or kinds of knowledge which can be taught. It claims to be a meta-knowledge or method of going beyond knowledge and deprecates the mind and mental processes, at all times describing a dichotomy between the mind and the soul, in which the mind is only a negative copy or imitation of the soul.[11] The mind is to become still and quiet so that the soul can begin to experience itself.[12] The soul has its own internal sources of knowledge, and when properly connected to its inner sources, no outer education or knowledge is required or desired.[citation needed] The second essential tenet is the mystical role of the Sound Current: Prajapatir vai idam-agree asit Tasya vak dvitiya asit Vak vai Paramam Brahma (from Vedas) In the beginning was Prajapati (the Creator), With Him was the Vak (the Word), And the Vak (the Word) was verily the Supreme Brahma. Proponents compare this with the verses of John 1 John to assert their special use of comparative religion (seeking the common thread in all religions and esoteric phenomena). Naam or Word [2], written by Sant Kirpal Singh, explores this theme. It asserts that the Sound Current is the esoteric form of God which is available to human beings. [13] The Guru, who is a human being, has merged with the Sound Current in such a manner that he is a living manifestation of it (the Word made flesh). [14] However, not just the Guru can achieve this, but all human beings are inherently privileged in this way [14]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening
--Re: the following statement (below): There's no sound unless there's a sentient being to percieve it. This is not in agreement with the latest theories in physics. The universe itself is the sentient being. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All perceptions are changed by our own individual consciousness. Ruth wrote: I am not of the school which believes no objects exist independently of their being known. Maybe so, Ruth, but don't forget about the 'constructed character of knowing': Objects are not known directly; that is, there is something between the objects percieved and our knowledge of them. The point is, we do not percieve objects exactly as they are without distortion by any intervening medium. Objects are not known directly, but only through the medium of consciousness. But of course people's perceptions are colored by a variety of things. Nevertheless, I still believe blue is blue, cold is cold... There's no absolute 'blue' - a blind person can't see the sky. The perception of 'cold' is realtive to the perciever. It is obvious that different people may not see the same object, as it is, but may perceive different objects when confronted by the same stimulus source. ...and a tree falling in the woods makes noise even if you are not there. There's no sound unless there's a sentient being to percieve it. No objects which are known exist independently of their being known. Objects cannot endure or continue to exist without being experienced by anyone. Knowing the objects creates them. Objects, including their qualities, are affected merely by being known. Knowledge of objects changes their nature. You can read more here: We are perfectly justified in maintaining that only what is within ourselves can be immediately and directly perceived, and that only my own existence can be the object of a mere perception... Immanuel Kant, 'Critique of Pure Reason' A367 f.
[FairfieldLife] Huzur Sawan Singh's instructions
As Huzur Sawan Singh tells one of his Western disciples: When you sit [in meditation]... see that the mind is at rest and does not go out and unnecessarily think about other things. When, by Repetition of the Names [Simran] with attention fixed in the eye focus, you have become unconscious of the body below the eyes, then your attention will catch the Sound Current. Select the Sound resembling the church bell and discard all other sounds. Then slowly your soul will leave the body and collect in the eyes and become strong. Then fix your attention in the biggest star, so much that you forget everything else except the Sound and the star. Then this star will burst and you will see what is within and beyond. After crossing the star you will have to cross the sun and the moon [inner manifestations of light]. Then you will see the Form of the Master. When that Form becomes steady it will reply. This Form will reply to all of your enquiries and guide you to higher stages... These stars are of the first sky only, and Hindu philosophers will have spoken of seven skies [in universes of elevating degrees]... After crossing the star, the sun and the moon you will see that Form which will never leave you, not even for a moment. Finally, the soul, unencumbered by any bodies (gross, astral or causal), will merge with the Supreme, achieving a state that defies description. The drop merges in the ocean; the wave flows back to the sea; the I reunites with its source.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening
---the flaw in your reasoning is the separation of entities that you call sentient from others. This is an artificial separation. Again, the universe as a whole is the one. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's no sound unless there's a sentient being to percieve it. yifuxero wrote: This is not in agreement with the latest theories in physics. Maybe so, but the subject of this thread is Byron Katies 'Awakening' - that's a metaphysical discussion, not a physics theory. The universe itself is the sentient being. You are assumng that there is a universe 'out there' - but you could be dreaming. In dreams we see universes out there; in dreams we can run and jump and consult our friends. There is nothing in the waking state that could not be experienced in a dream. And it all depends on what you mean by 'sentient being'. Sentience means anyone who can think and percieve. If there is no one around when a tree falls, then there is no one to think or percieve. We are perfectly justified in maintaining that only what is within ourselves can be immediately and directly perceived, and that only my own existence can be the object of a mere perception... Immanuel Kant, 'Critique of Pure Reason' A367 f.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening
--The flaw in your pseudo-Advaita reasoning is that AFTER one resides in non-duality;...you say there's nothing left. Incorrect. The rope is simply not seen as the snake. But the rope remains something altogether different (within and as the non-dual reality). However, this does not mean that the non-dual dream people vanish. Willytex still exists! ...do you not? and you differ from 108 and other people. OK - everything is non-dual big deal! Go on from there and don't get stuck in the neo-Advaitic trap. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yifuxero wrote: ---the flaw in your reasoning is the separation of entities that you call sentient from others. The flaw is the mistaken belief that we have an individual soul-monad, which accounts for people thinking that they are separate from each other and from the Absolute - the belief that they are individual subjects that possess individual souls that reincarnate as personalities. Sentience is the ability to feel or perceive subjectively. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentience This is an artificial separation. Maybe so. Again, the universe as a whole is the one. In Vedanta, the universe is an illusion, part and parcel of Maya. The real is transcendental, that is, beyond the relative world of matter. The 'One' is the 'Transcendental Person' that stands beyond the perceptions of the senses. There's no sound unless there's a sentient being to percieve it. yifuxero wrote: This is not in agreement with the latest theories in physics. Maybe so, but the subject of this thread is Byron Katies 'Awakening' - that's a metaphysical discussion, not a physics theory. The universe itself is the sentient being. You are assuming that there is a universe 'out there' - but you could be dreaming. In dreams we see universes out there; in dreams we can run and jump and consult our friends. There is nothing in the waking state that could not be experienced in a dream. And it all depends on what you mean by 'sentient being'. Sentience means anyone who can think and perceive. If there is no one around when a tree falls, then there is no one to think or perceive. We are perfectly justified in maintaining that only what is within ourselves can be immediately and directly perceived, and that only my own existence can be the object of a mere perception... Immanuel Kant, 'Critique of Pure Reason' A367 f.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening
-The One doesn't eradicate the many, which is contained within and as It. But the real question is how much significance one gives to things relative. Neo-Advaitins don't even recognize the existence of relative things; so I would assume that if a thief is threatening to enter a neighbor's house, no point in calling the police since the people aren't real. In any event, all such Neo-Advaita-speak statements come from one place: MIND. Besides, Byron Katie isn't Enlightened; though she may be Awakened (a term used especially in the tradition of HWL Poonja, a disciple of Ramana Maharshi). So what this Awakening is awake to, I believe it's some type of non-dual realization of Presence but far short of Enlightenment. If some of the Awakened people would give a brief description of the signs I've been sqawking about recently (subtle Light and Sound); in terms of the progression from CC to GC to UC; I would at least welcome and listen to what they have to say. But, nothing - I how can we even evaluate such claims of E when the little they say doesn't even match the criteria given by MMY. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yifuxero wrote: --The flaw in your pseudo-Advaita reasoning is that AFTER one resides in non-duality;...you say there's nothing left. Incorrect. This is not 'pseudo-Advaita', it's the real thing: There is only One - there are not two. Everything but the One is an illusion. The One is the only Reality. The One can only be experienced in transcendental conciousness. There is no creation, no dissolution; no coming forth, no coming to be; nothing moves here or there; there is no change. Source: S. Vidyasankar: http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/avhp/ad_faq.html Ajativada or the doctrine of no-origination, is the fundamental doctrine of Gaudapaada. From the absolute standpoint origination is an impossibility. Gaudapada: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaudapada Titles of interest: 'Dispelling Illusion' Gaudapada's Alatasanti by Douglas A. Fox State University of New York Press, 1993
[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening
--Sounds fine to me, I'm a Marshy/TM TB. Then why are you continually sliding into a Communistic form of Advaita-speak?...by saying things which point to a nihilistic viewpoint held by the pseudo-Advaitins? Your following words show that we are in agreement: not overshadowed by things, events, or phenomena ...showing that you at least acknowledge that things, events, and phenomena truly exist. OK - fine, if you want to say such things are illusory dream-like in their character, great; but that doesn't annihiliate them altogether. So stop going around implying that there's no people, no karma, no things; when Marshy clearly says otherwise. Last but not least, I see no evidence that Enlightenment eradicates suffering DURING one's physical lifetime. Let's assume MMY was/is Enlightened for the sake of discussion. Was he free of suffering? I doubt it seriously. Don't slice up what constitutes a person into an interior and exterior, a Self and a not-self, a mind vs body. It's a package deal and we get the whole ball of wax. Don't say I'm not talking about physical suffering. Nonsense. Body can't be separated from mind. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yifuxero wrote: But, nothing - I how can we even evaluate such claims of E when the little they say doesn't even match the criteria given by MMY. According to Marshy, enlightenment consists of a state of consciousness in which the Absolute, which is Pure Consciousness, is not overshadowed by things, events, or phenomena. Then the Absolute stands by itself as the Self, which is non-different from the Absolute. This description of enlightenment agrees with the description in Gaudapada's 'Alantasanti'. According to Marshy, the Purusha or the 'Transcendental Person', is totally separate from the prakriti. Marshy Patanjali agrees with this by stating in his 'Yoga Sutras' that Yoga is the isolation of the Purusha from the prakriti. The One doesn't eradicate the many, which is contained within and as It. But the real question is how much significance one gives to things relative. Neo-Advaitins don't even recognize the existence of relative things; so I would assume that if a thief is threatening to enter a neighbor's house, no point in calling the police since the people aren't real. In any event, all such Neo-Advaita-speak statements come from one place: MIND. Besides, Byron Katie isn't Enlightened; though she may be Awakened (a term used especially in the tradition of HWL Poonja, a disciple of Ramana Maharshi). So what this Awakening is awake to, I believe it's some type of non-dual realization of Presence but far short of Enlightenment. If some of the Awakened people would give a brief description of the signs I've been sqawking about recently (subtle Light and Sound); in terms of the progression from CC to GC to UC; I would at least welcome and listen to what they have to say. S. Vidyasankar: http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/avhp/ad_faq.html Ajativada or the doctrine of no-origination, is the fundamental doctrine of Gaudapaada. From the absolute standpoint origination is an impossibility. Gaudapada: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaudapada Titles of interest: 'Dispelling Illusion' Gaudapada's Alatasanti by Douglas A. Fox State University of New York Press, 1993
[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening
--Nopewrong. There's a new me - the social me;, the dream-like me, the illusory me; whatever you and the other Neo-Advaitins want to call it that you claim doesn't exist. It (the me) still exists but is an inseparable part and parcel of non-dual Reality. To use an analogy: say there's a world in which everything is somehow made of clay (not really possible but let's stretch our imaginations). Eventually, people start to wake up to the fact that they are made of clay. Do they then go around saying Oh, yes, the former me that I thought was made of metal, paint, string,...etc...and other seemingly separate components was non- existent...now there's no longer a me? Some do. After assimilating their grokking of the New Reality; some idiots continue going around saying Nope - we don't really exist; but the others (apparently a minority on this forum) - see the truth: They were persons before and after the Awakening; but the after is simply individuality within the context of clayness. Sutphen, 108, Willytex...etc are individuals. End of story. That applies, to Gangaji, Eckhart Tolle, Ramesh Balsekar, Byron Katie, Wayne Liquorman; and the whole horde of non-sensical, delusional Neo- Advaitins who are still befuddled about what vanished, and what remains. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Sounds fine to me, I'm a Marshy/TM TB. Then why are you continually sliding into a Communistic form of Advaita-speak?...by saying things which point to a nihilistic viewpoint held by the pseudo-Advaitins? Your following words show that we are in agreement: not overshadowed by things, events, or phenomena ...showing that you at least acknowledge that things, events, and phenomena truly exist. OK - fine, if you want to say such things are illusory dream-like in their character, great; but that doesn't annihiliate them altogether. So stop going around implying that there's no people, no karma, no things; when Marshy clearly says otherwise. Last but not least, I see no evidence that Enlightenment eradicates suffering DURING one's physical lifetime. Let's assume MMY was/is Enlightened for the sake of discussion. Was he free of suffering? I doubt it seriously. Don't slice up what constitutes a person into an interior and exterior, a Self and a not-self, a mind vs body. It's a package deal and we get the whole ball of wax. Don't say I'm not talking about physical suffering. Nonsense. Body can't be separated from mind. Right, the body can not be separated from the mind. And it is the body/mind that suffers. In avidya consciousness is identified with the body/mind and creates a me that suffers and enjoys. Realization is the initial recognition that consciousness is not limited to and quite separate from the body/mind. And what was formerly a sense of me or I is nowhere to be found. There is only consciousness and subjective and objective objects of experience moving through and reacting to one another in consciousness. That I or me is no longer bound as a psychological self it is just pure awareness outside of space and time. You are not aware of pure consciousness nor are you (in the waking state sense) pure consciousness, there is just pure consciousness. The I is no longer limited as a subjective sense of me- it has opened into its swar-rupa, true form, as unbound. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: yifuxero wrote: But, nothing - I how can we even evaluate such claims of E when the little they say doesn't even match the criteria given by MMY. According to Marshy, enlightenment consists of a state of consciousness in which the Absolute, which is Pure Consciousness, is not overshadowed by things, events, or phenomena. Then the Absolute stands by itself as the Self, which is non-different from the Absolute. This description of enlightenment agrees with the description in Gaudapada's 'Alantasanti'. According to Marshy, the Purusha or the 'Transcendental Person', is totally separate from the prakriti. Marshy Patanjali agrees with this by stating in his 'Yoga Sutras' that Yoga is the isolation of the Purusha from the prakriti. The One doesn't eradicate the many, which is contained within and as It. But the real question is how much significance one gives to things relative. Neo-Advaitins don't even recognize the existence of relative things; so I would assume that if a thief is threatening to enter a neighbor's house, no point in calling the police since the people aren't real. In any event, all such Neo-Advaita-speak statements come from one place: MIND. Besides, Byron
[FairfieldLife] Nada-Bindu Upanishad - Part I.
http://www.tinyurl.com/49rq7b right - MMY doesn't use the expression kundalini markers; but he does say that people in GC are able to perceive the most subtle (celestial, glorified) levels of creation. That criterion can be considered to be a marker of GC, rather than CC. Obviously, if one goes on to non-dual UC, one is not attached by such Lights or Sounds in a subject-object relationship (seemingly separate from pure Consciousness). 108 continually says he's not attached to this and that. Big deal. So 108, what glorified or celestial indicators did you experience?. Also, the would-be neo-Advaitins make frequent contradictory assertions: first in alluding to the Happiness of simply abiding in the Self; but then otoh; they go on to state things such as yes, and I thoroughly enjoyed the movie In Bruges (to paraphrase 108). My point: MMY's model of Enlightenment includes BOTH Self- Realization (100%) AND immersion in the enjoyments of subtle levels of creation. 108 says that even considering such levels of appreciation would be a form fo masturbation. Conclusion: neo-Advaitins are essentially 100 percenters, not 200 percenters. They have adopted a program outside of MMY's teachings, borrowed from the pseudo-Advaitins.
[FairfieldLife] Nada-Bindu Upanishad Part II
http://www.tinyurl.com/49rq7b Excerpt from the Ancient Nada-Bindu Upanishad on Inner Sound Meditation 31. The Yogin being in the Siddhasana (posture) and practising the Vaishnavi-Mudra, should always hear the internal sound through the right ear. 32. The sound which he thus practises makes him deaf to all external sounds. Having overcome all obstacles, he enters the Turya state within fifteen days. 33. In the beginning of his practice, he hears many loud sounds. They gradually increase in pitch and are heard more and more subtly. 34. At first, the sounds are like those proceeding from the ocean, clouds, kettle-drum and cataracts; in the middle (stage) those proceeding from Mardala (a musical instrument), bell and horn. 35. At the last stage, those proceeding from tinkling bells, flute, Vina (a musical instrument) and bees. Thus he hears many such sounds more and more subtle. 36. When he comes to that stage when the sound of the great kettle- drum is being heard, he should try to distinguish only sounds more and more subtle. 37. He may change his concentration from the gross sound to the subtle, or from the subtle to the gross, but he should not allow his mind to be diverted from them towards others. 38. The mind having at first concentrated itself on any one sound fixes firmly to that and is absorbed in it. 39. It (the mind) becoming insensible to the external impressions, becomes one with the sound as milk with water and then becomes rapidly absorbed in Chidakasa (the Akasa where Chit prevails). 40. Being indifferent towards all objects, the Yogin having controlled his passions, should by continual practice concentrate his attention upon the sound which destroys the mind. 41. Having abandoned all thoughts and being freed from all actions, he should always concentrate his attention on the sound and (then) his Chitta becomes absorbed in it. 42-43(a). Just as the bee drinking the honey (alone) does not care for the odour, so the Chitta which is always absorbed in sound, does not long for sensual objects, as it is bound by the sweet smell of Nada and has abandoned its flitting nature. 43(b)-44(a). The serpent Chitta through listening to the Nada is entirely absorbed in it and becoming unconscious of everything concentrates itself on the sound. 44(b)-45(a). The sound serves the purpose of a sharp goad to control the maddened elephant Chitta which roves in the pleasure- garden of the sensual objects. 45(b)-46(a). It serves the purpose of a snare for binding the deer Chitta. It also serves the purpose of a shore to the ocean waves of Chitta. 46(b)-47(a). The sound proceeding from Pranava which is Brahman is of the nature of effulgence; the mind becomes absorbed in it; that is the supreme seat of Vishnu. 47(b)-48(a). The sound exists till there is the Akasic conception (Akasa-Sankalpa). Beyond this, is the (Asabda) Soundless Para-Brahman which is Paramatman. 48(b). The mind exists so long as there is sound, but with its (sound's cessation) there is the state called Unmani of Manas (viz., the state of being above the mind). 49(a). This sound is absorbed in the Akshara (Indestructible) and the Soundless State is the Supreme Seat. http://www.geocities.com/advaitavedant/nadabindu.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bliss --Who here amongst us has kindness, love and compassion for all.?
--You're confusing the issues. MMY definitely taught Advaita (non- duality - Cf. Science of Being and Art of Living, and BG). But true, one can make a case that he and the TMO as a whole is/was short on compassioncompared to Amma or the Dalai Lama. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, amarnath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: some good points curtis, thanks, i have known a TM teacher who has been at it now for 40 years and if anything his biases and bigotries have increased he is now retired and during the Katarina instead of voluntaring, he was making big bucks in FEMA and still is due to his political connections he was supposed to help those who he looks down upon he is all take, take and take now, he believes the Muslims are out to dominate the world and should be done away with several other TM teachers similarly seem to be stuck in their own egoic trips, either trying to survive or still trying to become successful at this or that; also I noticed that it's harder for TM teachers, especially those with more success, to get into advaita because of holding on to MMY's misguided teachings which sounded really good to me also, for many many years as far as I can figure, most TM Siddhi Bliss is at the Bliss Body level and does not lead to compassion spontaneously and is actually a blockage to real awakening for real awakening, the siddhis and the bliss have to be surrendered that's why Amma says Love has to be manifested( practiced ) in order to develop real compassion (or something like that) Love is for giving away not for keeping the more you give away the more the flow the real bliss of the Self is different from the bliss of the bliss body as I understand it part of the problem as I see it, is that MMY did not teach what all the masters in the holy tradition taught; for instance Shankara taught advaita and MMY did not; no matter what the path, i believe that all genuine mahatmas taught advaita correctly at least as a goal not necessarily as a practice as in self-inquiry just my POV all teachings are just various POVs amma bless, anatol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: This is one of the areas where I disagree with Maharishi. I think his traditional understanding of the states of mind brought about through practicing meditation gives them attributes that they just do not have. In my experience compassion and kindness is a choice that is often cultivated by experiencing some humbling times in your own life. The person who says, Oh the poor are all just choosing it, they need to pull themselves up by their boot straps and work harder has probably never had a catastrophic series of events that knocked them down to the point were they needed a lift. A lot of these values come from our parents early on as well and how we reacted to their programming, sometimes it can come out as the reverse of what they wanted, but these are core values. Some of them have roots in our social primate past. But even our chimp cousins have a range of behaviors from selfish to exhibiting enlightened self interest by acting in the interest of the group. Self sacrifice is also found in some social animal groups. But getting back to meditation and its claim to make people kinder or even more sensitive to the needs of others just by mechanically doing the practice... can't we call this one here and now? We all know a few too many long term meditators to make such a claim. It just doesn't hold up, does it? And I'm not sure adding in religion shifts the balance too much either. Too much talk and not enough walk, plus each religion has conditions where you can act like a total dick to others, so it becomes a choice of who to apply the judgment side to. Dickishness becomes easier to apply if you only hang out with similar people in customs and mindset, and harder if you mix it up more and know people with radically different backgrounds and POVs. The effect of interacting with different people from different cultures seem like a good way to increase tolerance of others which is a good start on compassion. You don't see them as the others so much. So ethics from practicing meditation...I don't buy it. It may help a person become comfortable with themself, which for some people may be a basis for being compassionate with others. But I've seen a bit too much evidence that this can go either way to even claim this.
[FairfieldLife] Traversing the inner regions - Tulsi Sahib
Traversing Inner Regions Back Up to the Eighth Heaven -- Kaivalaya or Oneness with the Soundless One Surat will unite with Naam or Shabd when it reaches the Kanwals [Lotuses]. Sants have said that if one seeks the shelter and protection of Sants, one's Surat will be able to see the Kanwals and will thus develop true faith. Above the third eye center is Neel Shikhar (Blue Mountain Peak). From there one should fix one's gaze at the Portal to the Inaccessible. One will then be free from the clutches of Kal and be rid of worldly pursuits. One should constantly keep one's Surat fixed at Gagan [Mystic Sky in the region of Brahm] and keep on looking through the perforated screen. On thus applying Surat to Shabd all the time, one will not think of any other goal. Thus frolicking at the Portal, Surat strolls in the region of Shyam Safed. In the region of Shyam (black), there is a white island, where, in between a conch and a wheel, there is an oyster, and beyond them lies the unique citadel of Bank Nal [Crooked Tunnel]. Proceeding through Sukhmana [central energy current which runs from the eye center into the higher spiritual regions], one gets across Mansarover [Lake of Amritsar or Nectar in the region of Daswan Dwar]. Beyond that is Triveni [confluence of three sacred rivers]. Going past it, Surat takes to the route leading to the Inaccessible Region. If, after taking one's bath in Triveni, one proceeds onward, towards the Inaccessible, then only will one be able to meet the true Satguru. There is a Four-Petalled Kanwal or Lotus within, proceeding through which, one will reach the Twelve-Petalled Lotus, viz., Sat Lok. Beyond that, one will have Darshan of the Supreme Being (Anami Purush) who has neither form nor colour and who is Inaccessible as well as Indescribable. Sants have described His region as the Eighth Lok. Some have described that region as the Eighth Terrace while others have called it the Eighth Mansion. -- Param Sant Tulsi Sahib, Saint of Hathras, from his Ghat Ramayana
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth
-... You're (anatol - below) placing a wide variety of Gurus into the same package, but then making contradictory conclusions on the basis of two different subsets. To clarify by way of example: Some Neo-Advaitins include people such as Eckart Tolle, Byron Katie, Ramesh Balsekar, Wayne Liquorman, etc. But an Advaitin ecompasses a much broader category including basically - all non-dualists. (without nitpicking, at your leisure refer to Wiki or some of the experts on this forum such as Willytex, or (at times) Vaj. At any rate, all Neo-Advaitins are Advaitins, but since Advaita is an immense, huge category; only a small slice of them are Neo- Advaitins. Without getting into precise defintions, for now let's just list some examples. I. Examples of Advaitins who are NOT Neo-Advaitins: 1. MMY, 2. Muktananda, 3. Amma, 4. Karunamayi, 5. Shreema 5. Adi Da (could go either way depending on different phases of his career ; 6. SSRS 7. SBS, 8. Nityananda, 9. all of the Kriya-Yogins and 10. The Dalai Lama and most Buddhist teachers; although SOME might fit into the Neo- Advaitin cateogory. II. Examples of Advaitins who are also Neo-Advaitins. Byron Katie and many already mentioned: Eckart Tolle, etc.. Andrew Cohen is a wobbler by virtue of his evolutionary, progressive world view, and thus could also fit into I). Ken Wilber seems to have a pretty good understanding of I and II, and it's difficult to categorize him; but his transpersonal psychology partakes of many progressive elements so I'd place him more in I. There's a 3-rd category: the parents or grandparents of the modern Neo-Advaitins, who by virtue of certain aspects of their teachings, spawned a horde of second-rate imitators (virtually the whole crowd of Neo-Advaitins who don't measure up at all to these giants): III. Ramana Maharshi, HWL Poonja, Nisargadatta Maharaj. I submit to you that although all of the above (I, II, III) are Advaitins, only some of them are ENLIGHTENED. I would place those in III in that category, but close to NONE in category II, and all in I. Your tactic of lumping all such Gurus together in one category without differentiating them, doesn't advance our knowledge of the Spiritual sciences. In essense, you are implying that people like James Braha, Byron Katie, etc; are on the same level of awareness as people like Ramama Maharshi and Guru Dev. (SBS). You're missing one major point. Given that a person is Self-Realized, this only addresses one have of the Brahman equation: Brahman = (two in One, as One). The two aspects (Cf. Science of Being and Art of Living - then go on to the recorded talks of MMY). are 1. pure Consciousness and 2. relative existence AS pure Consciousness. The Neo-Advaitins address (mainly), the Self aspect, or to use Tolle's favorite word, Presence. But MMY goes on to say that in GC, one acquires an ability to appreciate the finer, Celestial/Glorified levels of creation. Although in UC one is not attached to these levels of creation in an ontological sense, the appreciation is still available. A Neo-Advaitin sympathizer accessing this forum (108) seeks to discredit MMY's teachings on the Celestial-Glorified levels of creation; implying that if people engage the senses in these levels, it's a form of masturbation. But it's OK for him to gain some enjoyment from seeing the movie In Bruges. So why can't the Enlightened people gain some extra pleasures by tuning into the celestial levels of creation, and possibly travel around the universe seeing the countless Souls in other dimensions? In addition, none of the Neo-Advaitins give an account of their Glorified/Celestial experiences while passing through GC. That's because they haven't passed through those levels of creation yet and and thus not Enlightened. I recommend that you look into the situation with more depth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: . What I think would be more valuable, and less whiny, is a book full of stories of Those Who Walked Away, but focusing on the fact that they were all walking towards something new, not merely walking away from something old. Making the decision to walk away from a long-held set of spiritual beliefs or from the company of those who believe similarly is heavy-duty. It is a *no less amazing* thing for a long-time TMer to walk away from the TM movement than for a long-time Catholic priest to walk away from the priesthood. And there are traumas involved IN walking away. But if you want to create a work of lasting value in the world of spiritual books, don't focus on what those who walked away were walking away *from*, but instead on the act of walking away, and how that enabled them to find something more fulfilling. . Just my opinion... Very Good Points ! Turq, Namaste! In my reading of long time seekers who have eventually realized awakening via the
[FairfieldLife] Religious fanaticism squared (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
---No. Another quantum leap could well include knowledge of relative fields, on a Celestial/Glorified level. I see no indication that you have evolved into that level. But if so, describe your experiences of GC (as opposed to CC); which confirm to MMY's usage of the terms Glorified and Celestial. Thanks. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tertonzeno tertonzeno@ wrote: ---Right...not only a circular door but a Chinese box (or Russian doll): those that have jumped a quantum leap beyond ignorance of Self could very well be in another box; while ignoring the possibilities of another quantum leap to a world beyond with unimaginable possibilities. Doesn't that presuppose knowledge of the Self is both static and limited, which it isn't and it isn't? Anyone established in the Self spends eternity continuing to discover eternity; the Self.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa Pigs Plan Protest...
---could be the Swinish Brotherhood, Orwell talked about.: When the downtrodden beasts of Manor Farm oust their drunken human master and take over management of the land, all are awash in collectivist zeal. Everyone willingly works overtime, productivity soars, and for one brief, glorious season, every belly is full. The animals' Seven Commandment credo is painted in big white letters on the barn. All animals are equal. No animal shall drink alcohol, wear clothes, sleep in a bed, or kill a fellow four-footed creature. Those that go upon four legs or wings are friends and the two-legged are, by definition, the enemy. Too soon, however, the pigs, who have styled themselves leaders by virtue of their intelligence, succumb to the temptations of privilege and power. We pigs are brainworkers. The whole management and organisation of the farm depend on us. Day and night, we are watching over your welfare. It is for your sake that we drink that milk and eat those apples. While this swinish brotherhood sells out the revolution, cynically editing the Seven Commandments to excuse their violence and greed, the common animals are once again left hungry and exhausted, no better off than in the days when humans ran the farm. Satire Animal Farm may be, but it's a stony reader who remains unmoved when the stalwart workhorse, Boxer, having given his all to his comrades, is sold to the glue factory to buy booze for the pigs. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Iowa Pigs, upset about their miserable treatment, in the floods, Are planning to launch a consciousness raising campaign. Recent numbers of flyers in the dome, is said to be inspiring the pigs to take actions, Heretofore, not possible. Also, the pigs wish to regain their innate ability to fly, commonly known as 'Flying Pigs', This ancient yogic technique could have changed many outcomes in the recent events. Various details remain sketchy... KINGSTON, Iowa - Luck ran out for about a dozen pigs who escaped their flooded farm, swam through raging floodwaters and scrambled atop a sandbag levee in southeastern Iowa. if(window.yzq_d==null)window.yzq_d=new Object(); window.yzq_d['nFfVFdj8Ymw-']='U=13fl18u8f%2fN%3dnFfVFdj8Ymw-%2fC% 3d619213.12535884.12881238.11951997%2fD%3dRMP%2fB%3d5236828%2fV%3d1'; Des Moines County sheriff's officials shot the pigs Tuesday, not long after they reached the levee several miles from the nearest hog farm. Officials said they killed the pigs over worries that they would weaken the levee. Onlookers said the animals were having a difficult time trying to maneuver their way off the sandbags, and that they scurried back into the water as people approached. Basically you cannot have something with a hoof walk on plastic and not poke a hole in the plastic and let water into it, said LeRoy Lippert, chairman of the county emergency management commission. Hogs, they have a tendency to root and that would not have been good either. He said the state veterinarian and other agencies were consulted, and that 10 to 16 animals were killed. It happens every day. My gosh, that's what slaughterhouses do that's how we get bacon and pork chops, Lippert said. It's just one of the casualties of the flooding situation. The carcasses were left at the site and treated essentially as road kill, Lippert said. You don't get them out of the mud and over the dike when you're worried about people and people's property, he said. Louisa County Sheriff Curt Braby said he had heard about the incident and understood why the pigs needed to be killed. They did not want to take a chance on losing a city due to a few hogs, he said. Lippert noted that out of about 36,000 pigs in the Oakville area, officials estimated that only a thousand or so were left behind when the floodwaters came through. We trucked them as far as 200 miles away to other hog farms so that they would be taken care of, he said. By ALLEN G. BREED, AP ___
[FairfieldLife] Religious fanaticism squared (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
---Finally! we agree on something; now maybe I can stop pestering you. btw thanks a lot for recommending In Bruge - the work of genius, very unique movie. You probably noticed the famous painting by Hieronymous Bosch in that museum (forgot the name of it offhand)...showing the various inhabitants of Dante's Inferno. The painting is interesting since it reminds me of artists' renditions of some Buddhist Hell's. To contrast the Christian hells with the Buddhist hells, the Bosch painting seems to resonate more with the traditional Buddhist conception: namely, that people create their own Heaven or Hells; rather than a punishment dished out by YHVH for sins. In the Hellraiser series, the Cenobites were a race of demonic miscreants who were formerly humans but found a doorway into the physical world when somebody manipulated the magic cube. The Cenobites were actually humans previously; but those dedicated to a variety of evil behavior. One of them was a physician who performed unnecessary operations on people for money. As a Cenobite he had grotesque surgical implements protruding from his body; and of course his arms and hands were the most horrifying tools of surgery. Then of course, there's the famous Pinhead Cenobite with nails/pins protruding from head. I forgot what he was into as a human. [EMAIL PROTECTED], sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: ---No. Another quantum leap could well include knowledge of relative fields, on a Celestial/Glorified level. Yes I completely agree, unfolding in terms of the Self. snip
[FairfieldLife] Guru Dev on worshipping of the gods
http://www.tinyurl.com/4hwm5s In truth worshipping any of the gods is really worship of Bhagavan. The aim of devotees is really to feel Bhagavan everywhere. All those who are fully absorbed in devotion to Bhagavad (God, Vishnu) are VaishhNava (devotees of Vishnu). Someone who night and day is stealing, deceitful and doing other bad behaviour etc yet thinking himself to be a devotee of VishhNu, cannot be a VaishNava. Shiva, Ganesha, Surya, Shakti (Durga, Lakshmi) etc are the limbs of Bhagavan. Any devotee of Shiva can say 'Our Shankar (Shiva) is really Bhagavan', any follower of Surya can say that 'Surya is really Bhagavan', then this is really like not knowing the whole shape of the elephant. Some blind men took hold of an elephant's trunk and said 'This elephant it is like a pestle.' Seizing the foot one said it was like a pillar. Taking the ear one said it was like a winnowing basket. The thing is really this that the blind men having seen the elephant got stirred up in dispute. He who knows the whole form of the elephant will never say that the elephant is similar to a winnowing basket or to a pestle. In the same way, he who has taken a good understanding of Bhagavan, he can never say that Shiva is the true form of Bhagavan or Ganesha is the true form of Bhagavan or that the four-armed form of VishhNu is really the form of Bhagavan. He who is familiar with the essence of Bhagavat (God) that all these several forms are really the separate parts or limbs of Paramatma (God). In truth worshipping any of the gods is really worship of Bhagavan. This is really the established truth of the shaastra
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on worshipping of the gods
---The elephant is Ganesh (and the other gods, but also transcendental to them). If the elephant were simply not the gods; then there would be no point in worshipping the gods. But Guru Dev does indeed advocate worshipping of the gods, as a doorway to the elephant. Naturally, if the elephant (Self) is not initially Self- evident; then some surrogate with form would open up Self- Realization as a doorway into the beyond. In addition to being a focal point for the senses, forms of the gods along with associated mantras, radiate abundant Shakti. The Shakti of the TM mantra differentiates it from those one can merely find in textbooks; as well as the correct usage of the mantra as taught by MMY. None of the Neo-Advaitins seem to understand anything at all about Shakti or in fact, the need for mantras at all. Looks like the Neo-Advaitins are stuck with AH - I've got it!. Good luck with that program. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: http://www.tinyurl.com/4hwm5s In truth worshipping any of the gods is really worship of Bhagavan. The aim of devotees is really to feel Bhagavan everywhere. All those who are fully absorbed in devotion to Bhagavad (God, Vishnu) are VaishhNava (devotees of Vishnu). Someone who night and day is stealing, deceitful and doing other bad behaviour etc yet thinking himself to be a devotee of VishhNu, cannot be a VaishNava. Shiva, Ganesha, Surya, Shakti (Durga, Lakshmi) etc are the limbs of Bhagavan. Any devotee of Shiva can say 'Our Shankar (Shiva) is really Bhagavan', any follower of Surya can say that 'Surya is really Bhagavan', then this is really like not knowing the whole shape of the elephant. Some blind men took hold of an elephant's trunk and said 'This elephant it is like a pestle.' Seizing the foot one said it was like a pillar. Taking the ear one said it was like a winnowing basket. The thing is really this that the blind men having seen the elephant got stirred up in dispute. He who knows the whole form of the elephant will never say that the elephant is similar to a winnowing basket or to a pestle. In the same way, he who has taken a good understanding of Bhagavan, he can never say that Shiva is the true form of Bhagavan or Ganesha is the true form of Bhagavan or that the four-armed form of VishhNu is really the form of Bhagavan. He who is familiar with the essence of Bhagavat (God) that all these several forms are really the separate parts or limbs of Paramatma (God). In truth worshipping any of the gods is really worship of Bhagavan. This is really the established truth of the shaastra And the elephant is just an elephant, not Ganesha.
[FairfieldLife] Gayatri vs Mahamritunjaya
I chanted the Gayatri for a number of years then switched to the M. mantra. G. mantra is basically the Yang side of a coin; M. - the Yin side. The G. mantra has more immediate effects in terms of organization structures; and I found it to be quite valuable in a working environment with a multitude of complex, mind-boggling exchanges of information. In such a hectic environment, the finite mind alone is swamped with an excess of information and simply gives up in a struggle to keep pace with coming up with a required output with a minimum of errors, and confrontations. The effect of the mantra is to take an initial assemblage of seemingly unconnected bits of information, and remarkably at the end of the day, extract an essential conclusion or product. There's no way one's finite mind could accomplish such a task without getting overwhelmed. To use an analogy, take a batch of coins and throw them up into the air then watch them fall to the ground. Is there some recognizable order in all this? The placement of the coins in time and space is an analogue to a vast array of things/events in an environmental setup. The goal is to make some sense of the pattern of coins after they drop to the floor and extract a conclusion. Or, think of extracting gold from raw ore. Thus, the Gayatri is a type of Philosopher's Stone that extracts the essential ingredient or core of a multitude of experiences and re-orients the energy toward what's represented in the meaning of the mantra. The M. mantra is far more YIN, with an emphasis on staying away from, or eliminating things that we DON'T WANT; rather than getting things we WANT (as with the Gayatri). I now chant on the M. mantra because my working environment is so hectic that my main goal now is just coming to work, raving a relatively nice time, and avoiding confrontations at all cost. The M. mantra is also called the Cucumber mantra since the words imply a separation out of the fruits of work from all of the baloney we want to be rid of. Ultimately, the Gayatri mantra (Yang); and the Mahamritunjaya mantra (Yin); converge upon one thing (so I have been told): Blazing, radiant Light and Celestial Sound focused at the 3-rd eye along with TAT (Truth - the Absolute). Nice combination!...and don't forget DHARMA. Both are Dharmic mantras. Last but not least, both are bad karma mitigating or eradicating mantras. But don't expect miracles right away. Benefits improve over the years.
[FairfieldLife] for weight loss: Fucoxanthin
Fucoxanthin, from http://www.altmedicine.about.com Why Do People Use Fucoxanthin Weight Loss Fucoxanthin is being explored for weight loss. So far, only animal studies have been done. Japanese researchers have found that fucoxanthin (isolated from wakame) promotes the loss of abdominal fat in obese mice and rats. Animals lost five to 10% of their body weight. Although it's not fully understood how fucoxanthin works, it appears to target a protein called UCP1 that increases the rate at which abdominal fat is burned. Abdominal fat, also called white adipose tissue, is the kind of fat that surrounds our organs and is linked to heart disease and diabetes. Fucoxanthin also appears to stimulate the production of DHA, one of the omega-3 fatty acids found in fatty fish such as salmon. Although it's promising and already a popular nutritional supplement, more research is needed to determine if fucoxanthin will work in the same way in humans. If it does prove to be effective, fucoxanthin could be developed into a diet pill for obesity.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What if?
---I tried that already (started with TM)...then tried other mantras of different Gurus. TM is the clear winner. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor matrixmonitor@ wrote: ---Some techniques might be similar to TM in practice, but none can equal TM in Shakti power. If so, name one. (anyone). That's a rather subjective thing, isn't it? I would expect any dedicated long-term practitioner of a different meditation who had first tried TM but later went on to some other practice to assert that their new practice is better in one or more measures... Wouldn't you? And how could you possible be certain that they are wrong, and you right? Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Nityananda on OM
from http://www.atmajyoti.org Paramhansa Nityananda On Om Avadhuta Nityananda Paramhansa was a great Master of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, and the most renowned Pranava yogi of our times. His Nitya Sutras contain some of the most profound statements on the Pranava and Its application by the yogi. Unite meditation, mind, and faith through the subtle Bindu, merge, and attain oneness. (12) Following the path of discrimination, let the pure mind be firmly fixed in Om. (12) The source of liberation is Shiva. The linga in the head is Shiva. It is all Om. (13) Bhakti and mukti, devotion and liberation, are one: become one with Omkar: the power of Om. (21) Where the sound of Om is experienced there is no ignorance. (46) Kundalini shakti and the sushumna are Om. Realize and know the subtle. (47) Omkar is One, the universal force. In Om is the creation and the dissolution of creation. In Om is the dissolution of mind. Omkar is the atman, the eternal self in you. Om is indivisible. (87) All is He, the One pervading all, the One beyond all qualities. He is One, He is Om. (88) All things are forms of Omkar. Omkar is the divine in them, Omkar is the subtle bindu. As the vital air [prana] Omkar pervades all things, inner and outer. (89) God manifests in the form of peace. Om is the form of peace. (90) Omkar pervades the entire universe, Pranava pervades the form. Om has neither form nor shape. (91) The Shiva in the heart is steady, is One, is Omkar. Omkar united with forms is Pranava. Omkar is the disassociation of the bodily awareness. (93) Omkar is all-pervading; like the dawn of the sun, Omkar is the witness of all things. Omkar is the most awesome of [divine] forms, Omkar is fire [agni]. There is nothing greater than fire, all is fire both within and without. (94) The Omkar vibrates like a storm in the sky. It has neither beginning nor end. It is the stage manager of the divine drama. The body of man is a string of Om, it is filled with Om. All that is, inside us, outside us, everywhere, is born of Om. It is present in everything. The Shakti that is the Omkar is not finite, It is infinite and indivisible. It exists in all creatures. Pranava is Om. When Om unites with prana and moves in the body, this is Pranava. When nature and the subtle are separate, it is Pranava; when both are felt to be one, there is the Oneness: Om. Om is seen everywhere. The Shakti that is Om fills and penetrates the universe, It is formless, It is the light in all directions. (95) The energy of the Omkar is like an infinite ocean, It moves in all directions, It pervades all, both inside and outside. In the form of buddhi It becomes creation, preservation, dissolution; It becomes soundless. The unstruck sound merges in buddhi. Buddhi dissolves in the Omkar, all merge and become one. Om and reason, the world and buddhi, the world and Om merge into the heart-sky, the heart-sky merges in buddhi, buddhi into akasha, akasha and buddhi into Omkar, the imperishable and the buddhi merge. (96) Truth is not a religion, Truth cannot be taught. You must discover it in your own self, and then let it expand in Om. Let Shiva and Shakti unite with Om. (96) The highest yoga is eternal bliss, the all-pervading Om, Pranava, the Universal Teacher, is eternal bliss. (114) Om is All: the creator of the universe, the granter of peace. Let your devotion be steady in this creator, this giver of peace; this is the best devotion. (120) The breath of Omkar should be inside you, then there is purity. (124) Om is the City of Peace, the form of Peace. Give respect and gratitude to Om. (151) Use your mind to get knowledge and then unite with peace, finally become one with Omkar. (154) Devotion, reflection, power, all three merge and become Om. The ego melts into the Omkar like camphor melts in fire. (160) The Omkar should be drawn inside with the breath like water is drawn up from a well. And like the pot is let down into the well for a fresh fill, so the exhalation should be released with Om. (161) The sound of Om itself constitutes the Vedas. It is the light of divine wisdom, the fire of intuition. (163) All-penetrating Om is the all-penetrating Pranava. (175)
[FairfieldLife] Amma, the Apocalyptic Guru
from http://www.guruphiliac.com Ammachi Gets Into The Apocalypse Biz File under: Gurubusting and The Siddhi of PR She's in Northern California right now, flooding the pool of Bay Area satsang junkies with her magical, infantilizing astral milk product. And apparently, according to one devotee, she's gone into the end-of- the-world, apocalypse prediction business: [A] devotee came up to a group of long time devotees and reported that Amma had told a group of devotees in Seattle a few days before that... well here goes: 2010 - 2011 prediction... mass starvation and environmental destruction. World War III would be better, and, no child under the age of 5 would reach child bearing age. This was disturbing to me to say the least. I felt sad about it and asked for clarity. [The devotee] said the same thing over again. I asked if [Amma] said we could do anything about it. He said become a vegatarian and do spiritual practices, that we need to work fast for realization before it's too late. I thought it must be a trick to get lazy meditators motivated. The suprising thing is [the devotee] has a child about that age and did not seem concerned, rather that he seemed excited to know what was happening next. It seems that this devotee has really acheived a level of detatcment that Amma herself would envy. I am in the prosess of confirming these statements. So far [the] L.A. satsang has denied it. All they said she said was there would be hard times ahead or something to that effect... One last thing. I know for a fact that the MA center ashram has purcased a whopping $10,000 worth of rice to be stored for disaster. Ok, that's harmless except for the fact that hoarding food is one of the reasons for skyroceting food prices around the world, which is part of the reason for the predicted mass starvation. Ammabots apparently believe she also predicted the Indian Ocean tsunami of 2004, although she was off by a year or so. While these sort of vague predictions of disaster are often a big- time guru's stock in trade, we are disappointed to see Ammachi stooping to the same level as the rest of them. We might find her milk distribution plot to infantilize the world to be a disaster of monstrous magnitude, but we were trying to hold on to the assertion that she is the best of the big-time gurus. But with nonsense like this swirling around at her satsangs, Swami Ramdev is beginning to look better and better as the recipient of the weak endorsement we've been giving to Ammachi the last few years. Labels: Gurubusting, The Siddhi of PR
[FairfieldLife] Re: Memo to New TM Leaders: How NOT to Be a Cult
-Sweet! -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: There's a history here you aren't aware of. Thios Fairfield life is way more complex than I'd expected. I'm just a simple boy from Harlem, NY. Can someone fill me in on WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? Dan, Read the description of the group on its home page at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ It's all there, in black and white. This is a forum for the discussion of spiritual topics for those who want to discuss them OPENLY, with NO censorship, and NO moderators. Those topics often include the TM movement, TM itself, Maharishi, and a host of other spiritual teachers, teachings, and topics. When I posted my invitation to lurkers, it was with the idea of encouraging some who have been reluctant to post *in that spirit* of open, unmoderated discus- sion to do so. Many are lurkers who have sincere ques- tions about the stuff they were told by Maharishi or the TM movement, and have had no forum on which to talk about it, for fear of being kicked out of the movement they are part of. And they've been reluctant to do so even anonymously here on FFL because they knew from reading the posts that the moment they did, some- one like Judy Stein or one of the other True Believer clones would start jumping on them and vilifying them as dishonorable or liars or worse. In my earlier post I gave you the honest truth. In this one I'm giving you more Maheshian sweet truth. It would seem, from the few posts you have made, that you find open, unmoderated discussion of the TM dogma to be something that upsets you. If that is the case, you probably aren't going to be happy here. If you're will- ing to listen to such open, unmoderated discussions and not try to impose your notion of truth on those you don't agree with, you might like it, and you might wind up learning some things. If you were at Estes Park you've been around TMers for a while. However, what you might not have been around is TMers or former TMers who have learned to think for themselves. That's what FFL is about. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: snip Ah shit. So much for working today. WTF is wrong with what he is saying? Absolutely nothing. What is wrong with a former teacher sharing his point of view on what could make the movement better? But he gets crap from most of you. No wonder some people think TM is a cult. Listen to yourselves. Ruth. Some of us have known him for a long time. There's nothing wrong with what he says; it's who's saying it-- this *particular* former TM teacher--and what his motives are. We have ample reason not to take what he says at face value. There's a history here you aren't aware of.
[FairfieldLife] Health benefits of Krill oil
Could be the ultimate supplement (I don't market them...just take them). Recommended that you consume the Krill oil before the whales do. Let them become extinct. Many Ways Krill Oil Supports You* A healthy heart* Support for concentration, memory learning* Blood sugar health* Healthy joints, with an increase in joint comfort* Fighting your signs of aging* Healthy brain and nervous system function and development* Protection for cell membranes* Cholesterol and other blood lipid health* Healthy liver function* Relief of normal PMS symptoms* Bolstering your immune system* Healthy mood support* Optimal skin health* Improved quality of life when compared with fish oil*
[FairfieldLife] Re: CO'B and DC!
---He still uses his TM mantra, but you append money at the beginning. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comments from alt.fan.conan-obrien: That was the best thing that's been on the show in ages. I usually think Chopra's half-full of crap, but imo he read Conan like a book. That may have been the single greatest moment in the history of the show. In this final year of Late Night with Conan O'Brien, the long saga of the Masturbating Bear, built up over all these years, finally comes to a happy ending. It was fitting, somehow, and the fact that it happened completely by accident is all the more glorious. --END The mantra Deepak gave Conan, in TM-style, IMO, was simply I am. I wonder if it's really a mantra Chopra uses.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What if?
--Thanks for your excellent reply. Re:, statement every perception scintillates with numinous Holiness; that could be the key ingredient distinguishing MMY's GC (and Unity, since the perceptions would still be available but with no attachment); from the Neo- Advaitic level, which I claim to be un-Enlightened since there's no clear indication of such people (most of them) having gone through GC. To be more specific, the term scintillation (imo) - should be taken literally, as well as phrases such as rose-colored glasses); in that perception itself (ie, things in-themselves) taken on an other-worldly quality in terms of RELATIVE PERCEPTION, not just by virtue of the non-duality principle. In other words, the Neo-Advaitins seem to be hung up on the Presence and have failed to say how relative existence LITERALLY becomes scintillating. I'm taking MMY's terms celestial and Glorified to be literal terms for a totally changed level of relative perception. We can see this in Master Charles' Cannon's testimonial of what appears to be a brief GC experience upon gazing at a photo of Swami Muktananda. Clearly, his use of the term scintillating is not in the context of some vague Neo-Advaitic quality relating to the non- substantiality of existence; but rather a literal affirmation of a truly celestial/glorified, and scintillating level of perception. One does not see such testimonials coming from most Neo-Advaitins since they haven't experienced that level of relative appreciation. Here's the quote from Master Charles: This article is an excerpt from Master Charles's autobiography, The Bliss of Freedom: A Contemporary Mystic's Enlightening Journey. It's reprinted here with permission. In this excerpt, Master Charles describes his first contact with Swami Muktananda, the world-renowned Indian mystic and teacher who was to figure so prominently in his life. IT WAS AN EARLY SPRING DAY IN 1970, shortly before my twenty-fifth birthday, and I was visiting friends who had just returned from a business trip to India and other Far Eastern countries. While sharing their travels with me, they talked about having met an enlightened master in India. They seemed most devout as they described the encounter, for he had impressed them with his illumination, and they had experienced deep spiritual inspiration. They asked if I would like to see a photograph of him. When I agreed, they handed me a small card designed like a temple with folding flaps for doors. I opened it casually and looked at the black-and-white photograph of the man inside. If I had a million words, I could not adequately describe the magnitude of what I experienced over the next few hours. As I focused on the photograph, my eyes seemed to lock in an open gaze, and my whole body followed, relinquishing all volitional control. The photograph dissolved into a whirlpool of scintillating, hallucinogenic energy. I was immersed in a rose-and-blue-colored magnificence, permeated with minute particles of dancing, diamond like light that slowly moved upward and entered the area just above the center of my eyebrows. A multitudinous explosion erupted from the depths of my being and reverberated through every dimension of my perception, as an intoxicating bliss saturated me from head to toe. The most sacred peace filled all and everything. Time was suspended within an all- encompassing stillness, and from the subtlest dimensions an ethereal and heavenly music softly echoed-violins, harps, a lone flute, and the tinkling of a thousand glass wind chimes sounding within the harmonic oneness of an angelic choir. I experienced a divine, awe-inspiring, yet totally nurturing contentment beyond all contentment. Wave upon wave of undulating ecstasy radiated outward to infinity. Everything within this shimmering reverberation was disappearing, all form dissolving into itself, a reflection of hallucinogenic light within an ocean of delight. I continued to observe my two friends, but their bodies had become multidimensional. I could see to the utmost core of their beings, which in each case was a small point of iridescent blue light. Luminosity flowed in all directions from these points of blue light, manifesting as their forms, and intermingling with all other forms, as they blended one into each other. All and everything manifested as a merging sea of blissful, luminous energy, joyously delighting within itself-the most beautiful reality that one could ever imagine. That was divine existence, absolute, free, and independent, celebrating itself for the sake of itself. This was the one without a second, a pure awareness through which an other-worldly voice reverberated its truth: I am one...I am free...I am all that is. Suspended within this awareness beyond all time, I merged in it, flowing, floating, dancing, delighting, enjoying the freedom of oneness as I remained a quiescent witness. My mind was
[FairfieldLife] Muktananda's experiences of the subtle levels of creation.
from The Play of Consciousness (as he goes on to say later, as prelude to his Realization of the Self).: Gradually my meditation left the gross body and entered the subtle body; it left Rakteshwari, the goddess of the red aura, for Shveteshwari, the goddess of the white flame, and this thumb-sized white flame was always before meWithout the experience of this white flame, Vedanta is a lame and second-hand philosophy: darvi pakarasam yatha - It is like a ladle that does not know the taste of the food it serves. My meditation on the subtle oplane deepenedI began to have visions of future happenings - a fire breaking out somewhere, or a motor accident. A day or two after I had the seen such things, I would hear about them as events that had happened... One day as I began to meditate, I saw a beautiful baby boy swinging on a cradle...(H)e wore a pearl necklace and a golden crown. I had never seen anyone so beautifully adorned. His cradle was also of gold and studded with the nine jewelsHe was turned toward me, laughing ecstatically and beckoning me with his tiny eyesYjay day I went beyond Tandraloka and saw nothing for a long time - only a pure untainted stateI was convinced that the baby was Sri Hari. After seeing him, my sadhana got even better, especially for the two or three days that followed ...Some of the things I saw were so captivating that I began to be addicted to my meditation. Afterward I would go over my visions again and againThus most of my days and nights were spent in meditation and in recollection of my visions. My white mediattaion was followed by a black meditationA black light the size of a fingertip appeared...My mind would spontaneously focus on my heart, or on the space between the eyebrows.I would see the white flame within the red aura, and the black light within the white flameDuring this period I would see in meditation a deep and terrifying darkness such as I had never seen in the outside world. This darkness made me frightened of meditating, but even so, I would remain in it for long periods at a time. Then suddenly the scene would change and the familiar red, white, and black lights would come. I rejoiced in their radiance again and again. During all thjis I began to feel a strong pain between the eyebrows, and for several days the chakras situated there...continued to ache(M)y eyes rolled around continuously, causing me great painI smelled many different sweet odours, I don't know whether or not they can be found in this world of ours. Sometimes other people would smell a fragrance floating around me... As soon as I sat, I passed into meditation. The presiding deity of each sense organ would come and stand before me. I would see a very special kind of light made up of many colours flashing through the 72,000 nadis like lightning. Then would come the red, white, and black lights, and, for a second, the Blue Light. These lights appeared one within the other, the smaller within the larger, the one being subtle cause of the other. ...The blue akasha, an expansion of blue colour, began to appear in meditationand with it, the neela bindu, the Pearl of infinite power(A)s I passed into meditation, Kundalini Mahamaya would appear before me in many different forms. Whatever form She took, I regarded in the same way - as the supreme Shakti, the Goddess Chiti. The blue light came and went, came and went. My eyes rolled up so that they were a little above the eyebrowsSomething important was happening in the cranial region. There are some chakras there, and this process was happening to purify them. ...As soon as I sat down to meditate, there would be gentle movement in my body, and then a rsh of new energy through the nadis.(S) ometimes I would pass into a deeptrance and would travel to other worldsEvery day I had some new experience. My body was becoming light, slim, agile, healthy and strong. I could see the central nadi, the sushumna, which is silver-coloured tinged with gold. It stands like a pillar, and all the nadis receive vibrations of power from itSometimes I would have a new movement in the heart, in which an egg-shaped ball of radiance would come into view... Next, I saw a light that was different from the red, white, black and Blue lights, and as it came into view, I saw many, many worlds within it. It was a soft safron colour, and in the middle of it were thousands of soft blue sparks and a soft golden radianceIt arose within the series of four lights that I had already experienced. I saw many clairvoyant visions in this new lightJust as I had habitually passed into Tandraloka in meditation, so now I entered the place of radiant light. I shall call it Sarvajnaloka, the world of omniscienceWhen my mind became stabilised in Sarvajnaloka I could see far away into many different worlds.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayor Wynne comments on Iowa floods
---Here's a different take on natural disasters: In 1998, televangelist and erstwhile politician Pat Robertson warned the city of Orlando, Fla., that a gay celebration the city hosted would bring the wrath of God--in the form of a hurricane or other disaster--upon the entire city. Celebrating homosexuality will bring about terrorist bombs, it'll bring earthquakes, tornadoes, and possibly a meteor, he predicted. In 2001, Jerry Falwell blamed gays and lesbians (along with other such sniners as feminists, abortionists, and the American Civil Liberties Union) for the terrorist attacks in New York City. I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen, he said on Robertson's television show, The 700 Club. Falwell later attempted to clarify his remarks, but he never withdrew them or apologized for making them. Marcavage explained that many Christians reject the idea that there are natural disasters. Since the hand of God is behind the weather and the actions of men, he claims, those who suffer their destructive power should assume that they deserved the Almighty's wrath. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mayor Wynne comments on Iowa floods Global Good News June 19, 2008 When asked about the recent flooding and extreme weather conditions in Iowa and other states in the USA, Raja Wynne explained that the campuses of Maharishi University of Management and the Invincibility Assembly had not been affected by the flooding as the community is not near a major river. He commented that because the houses for the Vedic Pandits are built in factories (in a different state), no time had been lost on the construction project; five houses per week over six weeks are still planned. Coherence brings balance in nature. The events in Iowa and elsewhere are a real disaster, but such events don't happen in one day. They build up over time. We have only had these high numbers (participating in group practice of Yogic Flying) here for approximately two weeks, Raja Wynne explained. It takes awhile to soften the environment ... we anticipate that as America becomes truly invincible, then every aspect of life will become more and more enjoyable and balanced, and these disasters will become fewer and eventually disappear completely. source: http://globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=121353140632245188
[FairfieldLife] Guru Amar Das on Naam
from Naam or Word by Kirpal Singh: (note: the word Naam - or Name - refers to the all-pervasive celestial Sound Current (especially in the Sant Mat tradition). Everyone does worship but on the sensual plane only, and so gets no results, But absorption in the Naam purifies the mind and bears fruit in abundance, Those who are devotees of the Naam are truly pure and beloved of the Lord, But for Naam all other worship goes in vain, and the people at large are deluded. The beloved of the Master (Guru-mukh) knows himself by coming in contact with the all-pervading Word (Naam). The Immaculate Lord Himself becoming the guide contacts the soul with the Sound Current, Those who worship with no proper guidance, remain wandering in the realm of duality, A devotee of the Master alone knows the Path and bows before His Will. 40 GURU AMAR DAS
[FairfieldLife] Re: Memo to New TM Leaders: How NOT to Be a Cult
---why in the world would TM need reforming? 10 lashes with a Roman flagellum for those who say this, especially those bashing TM who are in it for money. That's about as low as Hulk Hogan and his son trying to make money off that half brain dead victim of the Son's crash into a tree. Kabir on meditation: Peerless is the natural form of meditation, With the grace of the Master, I remain attuned all the time; Wherever I go and whatever I do, it is all worship, At home or abroad makes no difference to me; Renouncing all, I listen to the Transcendental Music within, Awake or asleep and at all hours I am deeply engrossed; Why close the eyes, stop the ears or undergo penances, When with open eyes I see the Lord in so many forms? This is how Kabir leads his life and he tells this openly to all. Beyond the realm of duality lies the region of eternal bliss. Guru Arjan says in this context: The Lord which cannot be described by any scripture, Is visibly seen by Nanak permeating In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered jmknapp53@ wrote: No, Judy, The subject of my exchange here is the reform I proposed for TM in the post that began this thread. Yes, John, as I said, the subject of your exchange with me was why I had warned Dan about you. And no, I'm not the slightest bit interested in discussing the reform you proposed for TM. Is that clear?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Memo to New TM Leaders: How NOT to Be a Cult
--The Rajas have nothing to offer mankind but their advice meditate regularly. Among Rajas, there would be a natural incentive not to say anything at all that's truly creative; lest they risk being labeled a heretic. Those birtday hats are quite valuable, you know!. Wouldn't want them to get de-Raja'd. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknapp53@ wrote: . I would like to be proud of the Movement again. If it were to become accountable as a spiritual organization in the ways I outlined, I could imagine wanting to be associated with it again. J. John, this is an open ongoing discussion a lot around here inside outside the movement too. Is a lot of watching to see if the standard of integrity becomes something different from what it has been in the past. Is probably crucial to a success for the TMmovement in the marketplace. They do have a self-made reputation in the world now based in folks' long experience. A lot of people have left in ways evidently not coming back. A lot of folks watch wait to see how the TMmovement may conduct themselves anew. The lack of lustre in dome meditating numbers tells something of this. It is just the way it is. People have a sense of what is fair and they seem to associate with integrity and often likely dis- associate when integrities are lacking. There is a human nature in that aspect of character. The TMmovement evidently lost its integrity. We'll see if they can find it. Though, is wonderfully utopian though what they are up to also in large group meditations. There is an experience in that. I wish them well. To get to where they would like to go, i do suspect that they will have to attend to the aspects of what you offer in these critical points. Thanks for taking the time to bring them to the table here. -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawkes91@ wrote: This is one of the best posts I've seen on here for a long time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Yeah, i agree with Guy, Regardless of who they are, these two posts seem some of the more honest forthright criticism of TM and the TM/FF circumstance of this month. Archival in ways: 1) taskcentered no_reply@ wrote: maybe they can dodge the cult label. Be Transparent discuss policies, procedures scandals openly publicize open complaint procedures report public scandals promptly to members, law officials public media allow free information flow fully disclose secrets, especially those that might affect potential members' choice to join fully disclose the group's political legislative involvement fully disclose finances, particularly international finances, with third-party audits create a member-driven task force to set reasonable fees for retreats courses dialogue openly with laity, the press the public Be Accountable publish - and adhere to - a set of ethics publish - and adhere to - all fees donation policies oversee clergy other agents with governing boards if any group agent acts unethically or illegally, take full responsibility Advocate Freedom allow open questioning of the leader's beliefs practices Create a mechanism for modifying beliefs practices create an elective or accountable structure of representation (as in most churches) promote freedom of speech within the group, without reprisals for contrary opinions promote academic freedom for clergy scholars allow access to files/records held on members public individuals advocate freedom to explore our spirituality without shunning or other repercussions avoid use of shame or guilt to control members Provide Member Protections institute safeguards against members devoting damaging amounts of time, money emotional resources to the group Value Respect for Non-Members foster a systemic respect for other spiritual traditions non-members foster a systemic respect for the rule of law, rather than the belief the ends justify the means foster a systemic respect for members' families, whether they are members or not foster a systemic practice of charity support to the less fortunate encourage members to live or socialize with non-group members Provide Informed Consent fully disclose negative side-effects of group's mind-altering or medical techniques undertake real efforts to address heal side-effects accept financial responsibility for members suffering side- effects Imagine a Transcendental Meditation Org that acted with this kind of integrity.
[FairfieldLife] The term Soul in Sant Mat
The term Soul in Sant Mat refers to the most subtle of the subtle bodies; (since - obviously, there is no Soul as an entity separate from Brahman). In Sant Mat, the Soul (in the Sant Mat definition) is separated from the lower bodies and meets the Radiant Form of the Inner Master in the subtle planes. Then, it catches ahold of the subtle Sound Current and meets God - the Absolute while thus disengaged from the physical.: Kirpal Singh (Naam or Word) says: For an experience of the Divine Link it is necessary to contact a Sant Satguru, for he alone can explain the theory and grant a practical demonstration of the Reality within each one of us. The charged words of the Master, his magnetic influence and the life- giving rays emanating from him, quickly help in withdrawal of the sensory currents from the body; for unless the spirit, surging downwards and rushing headlong into the world through the outgoing faculties, is concentrated at its own seat, behind the two eyebrows, it cannot reflect upon itself. It is a practical experience of self- analysis or separating the inner man (Soul or the higher self) from the outer man (lower self consisting of mind and material body). By force of age-old habits we are unfortunately clinging to the outer man and are reveling all the time in the outer world with which we have identified ourselves. There is a regular process of inversion or receding, tapping inside, as Emerson puts it, or conversion into a little child, as Christ called it; and none but an adept on the spiritual path can help in cutting the Gordian Knot and separating the spirit, for a while, from the mind and outgoing faculties. It is, in other words, a supramental experience of the spirit on a super- sensual plane and can successfully be imparted by a Master-soul. This experiment cannot be practically performed by reading scriptures and holy books, for they can neither speak nor explain their true import; nor can they be a guide to the spirit as it transcends the physical plane and traverses higher regions, most of which are fraught with subtle dangers and difficulties from which the Master in His luminous form can protect and lead the spirit safely from plane to plane. Those who take up the Way without a competent Master are likely to be deceived by the Negative Power and misled. In Surat Shabd Yoga, the importance of the Master cannot be over-emphasized. He is in fact the central figure, from the beginning to the end, in life and after life, helping visibly and invisibly beyond the ends of the earth, right up to the Judgment Seat of God and even beyond.
[FairfieldLife] new pic of Peace Palaces
http://www.tinyurl.com/58ql2z
[FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last!
-I missed something. What's the news? Jerry J. is a big supporter of this guy. They want 100 million for their prison project. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:08 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Dear Friends: We are extremely delighted to share the following news with you. (Some of you may have heard from us directly yesterday, please forgive the duplication.) TESP listed in Missouri Government website as recommended resource I know this Farroukh fellow from prisions in the Phillipines around 1984, sincere fellow at the time. Apparently he did not get the backing for projects from International he sought. But what now, stealing everything he received from the greatest Master he ever met to make a hollow living ? How tragic ! Simultanously, some are asking the big why are the americans hit by drought, fires and floods; the result of collective thinking and greed ! As I understand it, he has a sincere desire to help prisoners, and couldn't continue doing it within the TMO because it: . Is weird . Charges too much So he set up his own thing. He was treated very respectfully when he visited Maharishi's memorial shrine in India recently.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
-Here's one of the cities in a bubble. Still costs only $3,500.: http://www.vedicobservatory.org/Products.html -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Vogel peter.vogel@ wrote: Thanks for the insight into the security nablusoss1008. I wonder if anyone knows what the purpose of the high-tech music recording studio on the top floor of the hotel was, or what became of it? I also saw a number of people working at computer workstations designing what seemed to be cities inside plastic bubbles. What was that about? I can't speak to the high-tech music recording studio but I know about the cities inside plastic bubbles. What you were looking at were the lost cities of Krypton, salvaged from an explosion of that planet about 70 Earth years ago. 7 or 8 of their major cities were preserved by shrinking them down to the size that you saw. Had you looked -- or, indeed, had you the PERMISSION to look -- you would have been able to see with a microscope that these are thriving, bustling cities with the people of Krypton going about their daily business with nary a care in the world. When one of the leaders of that planet, Jor-El, was planning these cities-in-plastic-bubbles in anticipation of the destruction of Krypton, he entrusted to Maharishi's master, Guru Dev, the care, feeding, and maintenance of all the cities and people therein contained. Upon Guru Dev's death, this trust succeeded to Maharishi. I can only guess but upon Maharishi's death, the trusteeship has probably passed to King Tony. What I'm surprised about is the talk in the movement since Maharishi's passing of opening up to the public visits to the plastic bubbles. It's been discussed ad infinitum on this forum by Judy and Barry so it is not necessary for me to repeat all the details...use the search engine feature on this forum to follow their never- ending debate on this matter...use the keywords bubbles barry judy lost cities and that should get you right there. I say I'm surprised because the bubbles have heretofore never, ever, been considered anything but a sacred duty. Commercial exploitation was never a consideration. Now, please don't ask me if opening up to the public means that paying customers will just tour around the facilities where the bubbles are kept or whether in fact it means shrinking each visitor down to the size of the bubble inhabitants, bringing them down INTO the bubbles, and, of course, returning them safely to their proper size and regular life here on Earth after the tour is up. On which side of the controversy do I fall? Well, I personally don't see a conflict...as long as the people of Krypton democratically and freely decide that the TMO can use them in the commercial manner described above, who are we to say that it shouldn't be done? I am curious, though, why this is happening ONLY since Maharishi's death. But I could be wrong on that account. Perhaps the technology for the shrinking machine was only perfected conincidentally to Maharishi's passing. Now I have a question for YOU, Peter Vogel: should the bubble theme park become a reality, would you shell out money to visit? Would you allow yourself to be shrunken (and, of course, made big again)? Do you think the TMO has such a good track record in organisational skills that you would entrust all the molecules in your body to them with a new, as-of-yet untried technology? Thanks, Peter 1976 - two armed armericans caught on and before the Kulm - Sonnenberg bridge. Securiy beefed up after that with unlimited power to the WYMS as a result. Again americans causing havoc. Same year; the CIA blows up Maharishis two renovated DC 3's stationed in Germany. Again americans causing havoc here, there and everywhere. Again and again the americans tried to get to Him. But Maharishi simply did not show up, and the pilots got an anonyous call to leave the airstrip ASAP. It saved their lives. Invincibility in daily life :-) These days they complain that nature is cruel to them; floods and fires. Fairfield is protected as always. Probably they will not learn unless they are taught some very serious lessons and beg for mercy. They are a stubborn and violent race.
[FairfieldLife] Vedic Observatory (was Re: My visit to Seelisberg)
-right, brilliant inventions, inspired by Vedic geniuses. I keep a pic on my desk. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 12:39 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Vedic Observatory (was Re: My visit to Seelisberg) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: I was fascinated by a tour of the full-size Maharishi Vedic Observatory when I was in Fairfield for a class reunion in 1999. It helped that one of enterprise's founders, Tim Fitz-Randolph, led the tour. If anybody in this forum visits Fairfield for the course this summer, I highly recommend the Observatory tour. I don't recall the specifics, but it was a great blend of astronomy and veda. Those instruments are ingenious. Those instruments provides a glimpse into the genius of Maharishi and Guru Dev. When built full-scale, which will happen soon, it will blow the minds of even Buddhists, reminding and enlivening our true nature of Bliss. The instruments are just copies of an old disintegrating set of instruments that Carl Stone found in India. He decided to make the Vedic Observatory his project, knowing that it would earn him a lot of face time with MMY, which it did.
[FairfieldLife] 20-th level troll Huntress Gonzorina
http://www.tinyurl.com/57223d as part of Scientists Invade Azeroth (scientist are planning to set up conferences and experiments within the Azeroth virtual world. (WoW - World of Warcraft). http://www.gonzoscientist.org
[FairfieldLife] Re: GC, CC, XTC ... WOO!
--Thx. How about TM plus the advanced techniques. Isn't there supposedly a 3-rd eye advanced technique (I haven't learned that one). Possibly TM plus the advanced techniques would be closer to your approval for completeness. In any event, I see no evidence of completeness in what Buddhists are offering to the public. Anyone: what's the 3-rd eye advanced technique? Thx again!. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 27, 2008, at 9:57 PM, authfriend wrote: 2) they are sold out to *methods*, as if there really IS a method out there somewhere that is going to liberate them, maybe, someday, if they just wait long enough; TM doesn't liberate you. TM just gets rid of what is in the way of liberation. Actually that's not a rote answer (like the one you gave). You can't predict, for example assuming that sentient beings reincarnate-- what level of person you're initiating. So, for example, you could initiate an advanced yogi who was just a couple of transcendings away from pure siddhi of the Saraswati mantra--and you just happened to be the teacher who gave the person that mantra. In such a case, the person, with little or no effort; realizes very quickly. In such a case TM does liberate that person. Of course there are a gazillion variations on that theme, because people are very different. But, in general, for most mantrins, the purpose of the mantra is to introduce the thought- free state, so that a witness can hopefully arise, but mostly that it places positive seeds into the subconscious, with the hope that it will overshadow the collective chaos of the student and work towards that witness. If the person needs some type of deep samadhi to eradicate their samskaras, they won't get it with this technique, as it produces a light, fragile, trance state in most people (alpha- coherence). Since there a lot of hopeful things that are assumed of a good or perfect student (i.e. a successful recipient of a mantra for use in mental japa), there a lot of things that can potentially go wrong. Therefore there are always other techniques that the student can most appropriately apply. Without them, they can languish indefinitely. __ On a separate note, does it disturb anyone else that your foaming at the mouth and just waiting to leap at some Barry email is now done on UTC rather than Central time? WTF Judy? Get some help on this issue. Maybe that's the real reason your are so deeply hostile to John Knapp? Have you ever looked at this? I'm sure many here hope you well. In any event, it would be nice if you could work thru some of that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi- Nazis The USA'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well here's my present take on the whole thing... First of all, while the Nazi mayhem was going on; Bramahcharya Mahesh was in peace and bliss sitting at the feet of Guru Dev. On the same planet, at the same time; Heaven and Hell existed, maxed out, to the max... Now, years later, all these reincarnations: former Germans, former Jews, And so on... They all came to Maharishi and said: Teach me to be like you...teach me something new. OK, here's your mantra, don't tell anyone, but if you think it effortlessly, like any other thought.. Well then, in a few years, you will be enlightened, unbounded, bliss consciousness. This other 'stuff' is called stress, and depending how much stress is there, Well it might take a little longer to 'feel the bliss'... But at least I got you on the path now...Ha, ha... Now, Guru Dev, is where I got all this info... His grace is what empowers me still. I will teach you this ceremony, for him and for all the other Master's From where this teaching comes... Maharishi being with Guru Dev, during the time of the Nazis, Did not realize how dark, how traumatic that period was. (And, how long it would take to heal). So quick to 'Shock and Awe' Blitzkreig to invade, destroy, turn to dust. To smash hope, for greed, for lust and that feeling of false ego power; To extinguish all hope of love in humanity. To smell things beyond death's breath. To stack bodies like pieces of wood. To decide to be evil and do evil things. To lose your soul. These were things, foreign to our good friend, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, of the Himalayas.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi- Nazis The USA'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well here's my present take on the whole thing... First of all, while the Nazi mayhem was going on; Bramahcharya Mahesh was in peace and bliss sitting at the feet of Guru Dev. On the same planet, at the same time; Heaven and Hell existed, maxed out, to the max... Now, years later, all these reincarnations: former Germans, former Jews, And so on... They all came to Maharishi and said: Teach me to be like you...teach me something new. OK, here's your mantra, don't tell anyone, but if you think it effortlessly, like any other thought.. Well then, in a few years, you will be enlightened, unbounded, bliss consciousness. This other 'stuff' is called stress, and depending how much stress is there, Well it might take a little longer to 'feel the bliss'... But at least I got you on the path now...Ha, ha... Now, Guru Dev, is where I got all this info... His grace is what empowers me still. I will teach you this ceremony, for him and for all the other Master's From where this teaching comes... Maharishi being with Guru Dev, during the time of the Nazis, Did not realize how dark, how traumatic that period was. (And, how long it would take to heal). So quick to 'Shock and Awe' Blitzkreig to invade, destroy, turn to dust. To smash hope, for greed, for lust and that feeling of false ego power; To extinguish all hope of love in humanity. To smell things beyond death's breath. To stack bodies like pieces of wood. To decide to be evil and do evil things. To lose your soul. These were things, foreign to our good friend, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, of the Himalayas.
[FairfieldLife] Sri Aurobindo's intervention in WWII
Sri Aurobindo's Intervention in World War - II But this did not mean, as most people supposed, that he [Sri Aurobindo] had retired into some height of spiritual experience devoid of any further interest in the world or in the fate of India. It could not mean that, for the very principle of his Yoga was not only to realise the Divine and attain to complete spiritual consciousness, but also to take all life and all world activity into the scope of this spiritual consciousness and action and to base life on the Spirit and give it a spiritual meaning. In his retirement Sri Aurobindo kept a close watch on all that was happening in the world and in India and actively intervened whenever necessary, but solely with a spiritual force and silent spiritual action; for it is part of the experience of those who have advanced far in Yoga that besides the ordinary forces and activities of the mind and life and body in Matter, there are other forces and powers that can act and do act from behind and from above; there is also a spiritual dynamic power which can be possessed by those who are advanced in the spiritual consciousness, though all do not care to possess or possessing, to use it, and this power is greater than any other and more effective. It was this force which, as soon as he had attained to it, he used, at first only in a limited field of personal work, but afterwards in a constant action upon the world forces. He had no reason to be dissatisfied with the results or to feel the necessity of any other kind of action. Twice, however, he found it advisable to take in addition other action of a public kind. The first was in relation to the Second World War. At the beginning he did not actively concern himself with it, but when it appeared as it Hitler would crush all the forces opposed to him and Nazism dominate the world, he began to intervene. He declared himself publicly on the side of the Allies, made some financial contributions in answer to the appeal for funds and encouraged those who sought his advice to enter the army or share in the war effort. Inwardly, he put his spiritual force behind the Allies from the moment of Dunkirk when everybody was expecting the immediate fall of England and the definite triumph of Hitler, and he had the satisfaction of seeing the rush of German victory almost immediately arrested and the tide of war begin to turn in the opposite direction. This he did, because he saw that behind Hitler and Nazism were dark Asuric forces and that their success would mean the enslavement of mankind to the tyranny of evil, and a set-back to the course of evolution and especially to the spiritual evolution of mankind: it would lead also to the enslavement not only of Europe but of Asia, and in it of India, an enslavement far more terrible than any this country had ever endured, and the undoing of all the work that had been done for her liberation. It was this reason also that induced him to support publicly the Cripps' offer and to press the Congress leaders to accept it. He had not, for various reasons, intervened with his spiritual force against the Japanese aggression until it became evident that Japan intended to attack and even invade and conquer India. He allowed certain letters he had written in support of the war affirming his views of the Asuric nature and inevitable outcome of Hitlerism to become public. He supported the Cripps' offer because by its acceptance India and Britain could stand united against the Asuric forces and the solution of Cripps' could be used as a step towards independence. When negotiations failed, Sri Aurobindo returned to his reliance on the use of his spiritual force alone against the aggressor and had the satisfaction of seeing the tide of Japanese victory, which had till then swept everything before it, change immediately into a tide of rapid, crushing and finally immense and overwhelming defeat. He had also after a time the satisfaction of seeing his prevision about the future of India justify themselves so that she stands independent with whatever internal difficulties. - Sri Aurobindo (This letter was addressed to the Governor of Madras covering a contribution to the Viceroy's War Fund, made as a token of a complete adhesion to the allied cause. It was written at the time of the collapse of France and the threatened collapse of Britain. It was placed at the disposal of the Governor for publicity in case of need.) We feel that not only is this a battle waged in just self-defence and in defence of the nations threatened with the world-domination of Germany and the Nazi system of life, but that it is a defence of civilisation and its highest attained social, cultural and spiritual values and the whole future of humanity. To this cause our support and sympathy will be unswerving whatever may happen; we look forward to the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
---Try chanting instead...but then you'll have to decide which japa mantra and which entity for a visual focal point. I recommend the Shiva-Shakti principle. a. play the Arunachala-stuthi-panchakam audio CD (Shiva principle since Arunachala = static form of Shiva). Available from http://www.arunachala.org b. chant the Mahamritunjaya mantra (get Shreemaa's audio of continuous chanting of this mantra). Another Shiva principle since this is a Shiva mantra. c. Then, pick a Guru or Deity. as a visual focal point. Currently I use an image of Nityananda; sometimes an image of Kali. Then, chant the mantra throughout the day as much as possible. d. The Shakti principle is already built into the foregoing practice since it generates a huge amount of Shakti. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Getting checked next week on Curtis's recommendation. That phrase cracks me up to no end! Was it really me? But I do have great respect for the checking and teaching procedures Maharishi taught us. It may not be the only way to do it, but it seems to work pretty well for most of the people I taught and checked. I was so immersed into TM that for me trying another approach would mean fighting the unconscious process in place. But you might be in a more flexible place to check out some of the other versions that Vaj and Turq and others know about. But if you want to do TM then I guess I do recommend checking if it isn't going smoothly. It has taken me quite a while to sort out what parts of Maharishi's rap I want to keep and which to discard. Still working on it. Yes, I thought it might amuse you. But it was you. I had mentioned that I find myself too squirrelly to sit and meditate. I am always just wanting to jump up and do something else. As I still have some interest in meditating, I thought that I would try the checking procedure. If I am not happy with that, I might try another technique that allows me to move and meditate. Frankly, I think that is what I do when I run or swim as I am in the zone.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New meditation instruction
---http://jerusalempatriarchate.org/ In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 30, 2008, at 2:30 PM, Vaj wrote: I believe they also have centers in Scotland--as in a monastery, in fact I believe they bought a sacred Druid island or something off the coast. http://www.holyisland.org/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Anti-Science Non-meditators Must be Stopped
--Sedition act of 1798: The last of the laws, the Sedition Act, passed on July 14 declared that any treasonable activity, including the publication of any false, scandalous and malicious writing, was a high misdemeanor, punishable by fine and imprisonment. By virtue of this legislation twenty-five men, most of them editors of Republican newspapers, were arrested and their newspapers forced to shut down. One of the men arrested was Benjamin Franklin's grandson, Benjamin Franklin Bache, editor of the Philadelphia Democrat-Republican Aurora. Charged with libeling President Adams, Bache's arrest erupted in a public outcry against all of the Alien and Sedition Acts. Many Americans questioned the constitutionality of these laws. Indeed, public opposition to the Alien and Sedition Acts was so great that they were in part responsible for the election of Thomas Jefferson, a Republican, to the presidency in 1800. Once in office, Jefferson pardoned all those convicted under the Sedition Act, while Congress restored all fines paid with interest. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FW: A Proclamation, for Suppressing Rebellion and Sedition Of those opposed who labor so negatively, those anti-science non- meditator evil-doers, so opposed to the Maharishi Effect, it has been noted that: If The Maharishi Effect doesn't work it will be because of the poisonous influence of Rick Archer and those blaspheming heretics on FFL. A Proclamation Many of our subjects misled by a desperate conspiracy of dangerous and ill designing souls have forgotten their allegiance which they owe to the power which has protected and supported them and declared rebellion and traitorously levied war against us. It is the fair part of wisdom to put a speedy end to such disorders: we have thought fit to issue a loyal proclamation: That all our loyal administrators, meditators, all citizens our obedient and loyal subjects, to use their utmost endeavours to withstand and suppress such rebellion are obliged to suppress such rebellion and bring the traitors to justice, that all our subjects of this Realm of the Global Country, and the dominions thereunto belonging, are bound by law to be aiding and assisting in the suppression of such rebellion. To disclose and make known all traitorous conspiracies and attempts against us, our trademarks, our science and dignity; and we do accordingly strictly charge and command all our administrators and meditators and all others our obedient and loyal subjects, to use their utmost endeavours to withstand and suppress such rebellion, and to disclose and make known all treasons and traitorous conspiracies which they shall know to be against us, our trademarks and dignity; and for that purpose, that they transmit to our Prime Minister, to one of our principal Secretaries , or other proper officer, due and full information of all persons who shall be found carrying on correspondence with, or in any manner or degree aiding or abetting the persons now in open rebellion against our Government, within any of our Rajasthan, in order to bring to condign punishment the authors, perpetrators, and abettors of such traitorous designs. When the unhappy and delude multitude against who the forgone is directed shall become sensible, We shall be ready to receive the misled with tenderness and mercy. For those who persist in their treason the punishment shall be death by hanging. Given this day July 1, 2008 of the first year after Maharishiji. (AD). Jai Guru Dev, -Global Committee for Safety and Purity of the Teaching, Vigilantes for the Age of Enlightenment
[FairfieldLife] Swami Lakshmanjoo - last in an unbroken chain of Masters
http://www.universalshaivafellowship.org/usf/swamiji_02.html
[FairfieldLife] Kashmiri Saints
http://www.koausa.org/Saints/index.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vin Daczynski: Lakshmanjoo's weather-changing siddhi
---Definitely, I agree: (this is the job of a Yogi): http://members.aol.com/PaulEC2/yogi.html In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) A key ingredient to the rain-bringing ceremony: It may take some time, but rain will come since we did this ceremony in good faith and without selfish motive. Does rain generally have motives when it comes? I didn't think water could think. Sal (snip) Does water think? It is not the water that creates the storm. More directly, storms and the rain comes from the friction of air, creating a force in sanskrit called Indra, having to do with electicity, magnetism and clearing out negative, stuck energies. Therefore, it has been known, that a prayer to Indra, or the praising of Indra, will bring rain in due time. The motivation is purely to attract Indra to the dry area. To work with the laws of nature, and help to balance the earth. That is the job of a yogi.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
Guy Fawkes ...(wiki): Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - Cite This Source Guy Fawkes (13 April 1570 31 January 1606) sometimes known as Guido Fawkes, was a member of a group of Roman Catholic conspirators from England who planned to carry out the Gunpowder Plot. The plot was an attempt to blow up the Houses of Parliament, which would have displaced Protestant rule by killing King James I of England and the entire Protestant aristocracy, on 5 November 1605. Although Robert Catesby was the true leader and mastermind of the plot, Fawkes was put in charge of executing it due to his military and explosives experience. The plot was foiled shortly before its intended completion, as Fawkes was captured while guarding the gunpowder. Suspicions were aroused by his wearing a coat, boots and spurs, as if he intended to leave quickly. However it is argued by some that Guy and the other conspirators, in an early example of a false flag operation, were set up by the government, which wanted to rid Britain of Catholicism and needed scapegoats to arouse public support for the scheme. If this is true, Guy and his fellow conspirators were set up because they were some of the leading Catholics in England at the time. It is also possible that somebody in the group deceived them. In any event, it is unquestionable that the Crown knew of the plan beforehand. Fawkes has left a lasting mark on history and popular culture. Held in the United Kingdom (and some parts of the Commonwealth) on November 5 is Bonfire Night, centered on the plot and Fawkes. He has been mentioned in popular film, literature and music by people such as Charles Dickens, John Lennon, and Alan Moore. There are geographical locations named after Fawkes, such as Isla Guy Fawkes in the Galápagos Islands and Guy Fawkes River in Australia. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , guyfawkes91 guyfawkes91@ wrote: That fact that the official TMO apparently No apparently about it. They genuinely did do it. Birds of a feather so on. You are one dumb fuck guyfawkes, you too fell for Rick's deliberate manipulation. But you people are primed for it, you are part of a cult. The anti- TM, anti-science cult. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Reich Bishop Hitler.: God is with us
Printer Friendly Version E-Mail This Article Published on Thursday, December 2, 2004 by CommonDreams.org Scalia To Synagogue - Jews Are Safer With Christians In Charge by Thom Hartmann Antonin Scalia, the man most likely to be our next Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, turned history on its head recently when he attended an Orthodox synagogue in New York and claimed that the Founders intended for their Christianity to play a part in government. Scalia then went so far as to suggest that the reason Hitler was able to initiate the Holocaust was because of German separation of church and state. The Associated Press reported on November 23, 2004, In the synagogue that is home to America's oldest Jewish congregation, he [Scalia] noted that in Europe, religion-neutral leaders almost never publicly use the word 'God.' Did it turn out that, Scalia asked rhetorically, by reason of the separation of church and state, the Jews were safer in Europe than they were in the United States of America? He then answered himself, saying, I don't think so. Scalia has an extraordinary way of not letting facts confound his arguments, but this time he's gone completely over the top by suggesting that a separation of church and state facilitated the Holocaust. If his comments had gotten wider coverage (they were only noted in one small AP article, and one in the Jerusalem Post), they may have brought America's largest religious communities - both Christian and Jewish - into the streets. Born in 1936, Scalia is old enough to remember the photographs that came out of Germany when he was a boy - they were all over the newspapers and news magazines at war's end. It's difficult to believe he wasn't exposed to them as a teenager, particularly having been raised Catholic. And if he missed all that, one would think that his son the priest would have told him about them. The photos that can be seen, for instance, at www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm of the Catholic Bishops giving the collective Nazi salute. The annual April 20th celebration, declared by Pope Pius XII, of Hitler's birthday. The belt buckles of the German army, which declared Gott Mit Uns (God is with us). The pictures of the 1933 investiture of Bishop Ludwig Müller, the official Bishop of the 1000-Years-Of-Peace Nazi Reich. That last photo should be the most problematic for Scalia, because Hitler had done exactly what Scalia is recommending - he merged church and state. Article 1 of the Decree concerning the Constitution of the German Protestant Church, of 14 July 1933, signed by Adolf Hitler himself, merged the German Protestant Church into the Reich, and gave the Reich the legal authority to ordain priests. Article Three provides absolute assurance to the new state church that the Reich will fund it, even if that requires going to Hitler's cabinet. It opens: Should the competent agencies of a State Church refuse to include assessments of the German Protestant Church in their budget, the appropriate State Government will cause the expenditures to be included in the budget upon request of the Reich Cabinet. That new state-sponsored German church's constitution opens: At a time in which our German people are experiencing a great historical new era through the grace of God, the new German state church federates into a solemn league all denominations that stem from the Reformation and stand equally legitimately side by side, and thereby bears witness to: 'One Body and One Spirit, One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism, One God and Father of All of Us, who is Above All, and Through All, and In All.' Section Four, Article Five of he new constitution further established a head for the new German state-church with the title of Reich Bishop. Hitler quickly filled the job with a Lutheran pastor, Ludwig Müller, who held the position until he committed suicide at the end of the war. Which brings up one of the main reasons - almost always overlooked by modern-day commentators, both left and right - that the Founders and Framers were so careful to separate church and state: They didn't want religion to be corrupted by government. Many of the Founders were people of faith, and even the Deists like Franklin, Washington, and Jefferson were deeply touched by what Franklin called The Mystery. And they'd seen how badly religious bodies became corrupted when churches acquired power through affiliation with or participation in government. The Puritans, for example, passed a law in Plymouth Colony in 1658 that said, No Quaker Rantor or any other such
[FairfieldLife] Hitler with whip acting like Jesus
http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm Hitler With Whip (acting like 'Jesus') Hitler's close friend, Dietrich Eckart, told of overhearing Hitler showing off to a lady by denouncing Berlin in extravagant terms: . . . the luxury, the perversion, the iniquity, the wanton display and the Jewish materialism disgusted me so thoroughly that I was almost beside myself. I nearly imagined myself to be Jesus Christ when he came to his Father's Temple and found the money changers. Eckart described Hitler as brandishing his whip and exclaimed that it was his mission to descend upon the capital like a Christ and scourge the corrupt. And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables. --John 2:14-15
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ibogaine Experience
--No problem! For those who want it, the San Pedro cactus contains mescaline. Very mellow (as opposed to peyote which made me puke) but powerful! This was long ago of course. Incompatible with TM. (legal if bought as botanical specimen...cuttings). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Pedro_cactus - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And far as I know no on in the US has ever even been arrested or prosecuted for possesion of Ibogaine even though I came close to in Hawaii but that is a whole another story. People don't get busted for ibogaine only because it's so uncommon. But Ibogaine is a schedule 1 drug, listed right next to LSD. As far as going to Thailand to do it, maybe you should see the movie Brokedown Palace before that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Schedule_I_drugs
[FairfieldLife] Nazi roots of the Muslim Jihad
Interesting website. A contributing factor, no doubt. http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritually Hot in Fairfield, Swami Ram Kripalu
---Ha Vaisnava dualist associated with Barsana Dham in Austin (and thus probably in the same lineage as Sw. Prakashanand Saraswati)birds of a feather I guess. Here's a typical blog entry from Guruphiliac: At 5/28/2007 9:09 AM, Anonymous said... His Followers Believe That He Is God...an incarnation of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. 'We have being doing some research on this Swami ever since this story broke loose, and I humbly beg the Hindu community around the world to not pass judgment on the Swami Ji, or become to sentimental about this incident for all Hindus are not without sin, and some are extremely untruthful, exploitive and deceptive. As a Hindu I can relate to that He is known in India as Kripaloo, his disciples are associated with a very large Temple in Austin. called Barsana Dham, this very Swami was accused over 20 years ago for having an affair with a 13 year old girl in India, and it was published in the Indian news papers, be it true of false we do not know. However, we are already beginning to hear in Trinidad that it was a set-up, that might be so, but the important thing to do is to listen to both sides, obviously something has gone wrong, and we should keep in mind the old Indian saying, always remember what ever you hear 1% is always truth, so lets take that one % and work with it, the truth will always come out in the end. Please remember the nation of India eyes is upon us' K.J.Singh Texas In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Swami Ram Kripalu will be in Fairfield this week. As per his request, we are hosting an evening satsang on Wednesday, June 2 at 8:00 pm. It will be at 2064 Libertyville Road. Please join us if you can. Jai Shree Radhe Radhe!
[FairfieldLife] The Deprogrammers
The Deprogrammers, Outer Limits, Ma6 26, 1996, starring Brent Spiner. From Wiki: Earth is under alien occupation and the human race has been conditioned for slavery, unable to think for itself or disobey an order. One human, the slave of an important ruler, is captured by a small band of rebel humans who try to break the conditioning and restore his free will. Opening narration At what point does a human being's free will cease to exist? And if we have forfeited our free will... are we still human? Plot Evan is a slave in the mansion of a harsh-ruling alien. Like all other slaves (Jollem), he has been programmed to not feel anything, and to take everything his master says, as a fact without question. Later, Evan is captured by a resistance movement led by Trent Davis (Brent Spiner), who call themselves the vindicators, or the deprogrammers. At first, he is completely vegetative towards them. Not even pain will make him flinch. But during the course of days, a little by little, the resistance manages to wake up the parts of his mind that have been silenced by the programming. He is slowly introduced to his past life, a successful military career, and to his wife, who is also working with the resistance movement. The resistance aims to restore the meaning of what it means to be a human, by the means of military power. Finally, when Evan comes to realize that his master actually was responsible of killing all the children of the world, including his daughter, he becomes apparently sympathetic to the goals of the vindicators, despite occasional quirks in his thinking. Evan infiltrates back into the mansion of the alien, bringing with him a vial that is camouflaged as a vial of seragon oil, a substance the alien is particularly fond of. He drops the vial into the bath the alien is taking, and combines it with another substance, making the bath become solid, trapping the alien there. Then he kills him, and returns to the place of the vindicators, carrying the head of the alien with him in a bag. At the moment of joy and success, another alien steps in to which Prof. Davis asks if milord is pleased. Apparently Davis had been a slave to the alien all along and used Evan as a pawn to kill his rival. The alien says the resistance is small and at the moment will not be a threat to him, and Evans is reprogrammed again.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped
---wiki: There is little existing evidence to support the Orch OR theory, although a paper in the journal Nature in 2007, claiming evidence for quantum coherence in the photosynthetic systems of plants has been seen as a possible indicator for quantum coherence in biological tissue [22]. In the meantime, Hameroff has proposed 20 different ways in which Orch OR might be tested. One of these is the test for objective reduction mentioned above, and the other 19 refer to features that might be observed in the brain [23]. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 1, 2008, at 2:37 PM, off_world_beings wrote: However, if people like Penrose live long enough they themselves will be the ones to connect consciousness and field effects, and then the pseudo-buddhists like Vaj will claim it as proof of their unproven methods anyway, and like a thief, try to steal everything. Fortunately he will fail. Please see a previous email on the Penrose-Hameroff Orch OR theory of consciousness before you decide who'd pseudo and who's not... Vaj, I've been reading that stuff LONG before you even knew who Penrose was ! You don't even undertand the ORCH model. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Sri Lakshmi Kubera Temple
http://www.srilakshmikuberartemple.org/photos.htm
[FairfieldLife] Laws for Creations
by Walt Whitman: LAWS for Creations, For strong artists and leadersfor fresh broods of teachers, and perfect literats for America, For noble savans, and coming musicians. All must have reference to the ensemble of the world, and the compact truth of the world; There shall be no subject too pronouncedAll works shall illustrate the divine law of indirections. 5 What do you suppose Creation is? What do you suppose will satisfy the Soul, except to walk free, and own no superior? What do you suppose I would intimate to you in a hundred ways, but that man or woman is as good as God? And that there is no God any more divine than Yourself? And that that is what the oldest and newest myths finally mean? 10 And that you or any one must approach Creations through such laws
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch in today's Guardian
--A lot depends on when and where, independent of the technique. Sure, if you're in a 3 week retreat with some Rinpoche and everybody is meditating, transcendence!. But where's the technique you can take with you, any time, any place; even on a plane? Try Vipassana on a plane. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 3, 2008, at 12:34 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Some forms of meditation are just contemplation or concentration; they'll keep you on the surface. You won't transcend: you won't get that fourth state of consciousness and you won't get that bliss. You'll stay on the surface. Having admitted that he only contemplated different meditations and only practiced TM this is a curious claim. I wonder where he might have gotten such information... It's an insidious bit of brainwashing that is. I swallowed it and only learned otherwise when I started practising different types of meditation easily and effortlessly. Yup. Been there, done that, remember the shock of realizing that what I had been saying in intro and advanced lectures for 14 years was simply not true. I had walked away from the TMO some time earlier, but still carried with me a lot of its dogma, so it took some effort on my part to break out of the effortlessness thang and practice a form of concentration meditation. But when I did -- what a shock! My experience of transcendence was clearer than any I had previously experienced with TM. And I could get to it any time I wanted to, at will, not just sit around and wait for it to appear. What a moment of cognitive dissonance THAT was for me. Ditto here, and a shocker at the time. It was a shocker because I realized, on some level, I still held onto my precious belief that TM was the fastest boat, the bestest of the best, etc. But once it was transcended, you automatically transcended that belief. I feel that was part of the shock, in addition to fully transcending the interdependently arisen transcendent (despite the fact I'd had clear experiences of transcending for years), I was free and beyond. Immediately any attachment to the technique--and clearly I had accumulated attachment to the technique--fell away. Bye bye. Then I understood why it's not only paramount to not be attached to ANY technique, but to learn to be able to dissolve the technique itself. Ultimately we all will have to leave whatever technique we practice behind. So why not just know how to do that?
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch in today's Guardian
--I've published more papers than you will in a hundred lifetimes. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe for androids and who gives a shit about them? I didn't know the world had turned into a bunch of scientists? It is so funny, being a computer scientist myself, to hear ordinary people talk like they have lab coats on when I know damn well they haven't got a clue what they're talking about. tertonzeno wrote: --Your repeatability claim has no statistical relevance. Repeatability must cut across large numbers of samples and diverse subjects. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 3, 2008, at 2:42 PM, yifuxero wrote: --A lot depends on when and where, independent of the technique. Sure, if you're in a 3 week retreat with some Rinpoche and everybody is meditating, transcendence!. But where's the technique you can take with you, any time, any place; even on a plane? Try Vipassana on a plane. I was not in a retreat setting, just at home. It doesn't matter where I practice, if I have the intention to practice, that's all that is necessary. Repeatability is excellent. I've tried shamatha, vipassana, shamatha-vipassana, ishta- devata meditation, tantric meditation and open presence meditation on planes, cars, etc. They work fine for me. YMMV.
