[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna and Brahma(n)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is Krishna above Brahma(n) in Maharishi's book? Krishna or Brahma is Brahman's personal expression in creation, i.e. the personal God immanent in creation whose soul permeates and animates creation. Brahman is in creation as Brahma, AND beyond manifest creation as the unmanifest Brahman. the ultimate mystery being they are both one.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna and Brahma(n)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 27, 2007, at 7:16 PM, Mr. Magoo wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Is Krishna above Brahma(n) in Maharishi's book? Krishna or Brahma is Brahman's personal expression in creation, i.e. the personal God immanent in creation whose soul permeates and animates creation. Brahman is in creation as Brahma, AND beyond manifest creation as the unmanifest Brahman. the ultimate mystery being they are both one I thought Krishna was an incarnation of Vishnu? *In virtually all the Sanatana Dharma traditions, Vishnu is worshipped, either directly or through the Narasimha, Rama and Krishna avataras.* Wikipedia I would add at the level of Unity there is no difference in essence, only in form and function. This guy really can say whatever he wants and you guys just swallow it hook, link, sinker and rod, don't you? Now, be nice!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna and Brahma(n)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is Krishna above Brahma(n) in Maharishi's book? More to your point, I don't think you can use the term above or below (without confusion) to describe the essential Unity of all the Hindu pantheon, essentially they are all manifestations of the one God and in essence are all the same It might be easier to look at it as, when the one Creator is functioning in this or that capacity he/she is referred to as this God or Goddess. The name is only relevant to function not spiritual status vis-a-vis consciousness. I don't think MMY ever refers to Brahma or Krishna as above or below relative to consciousness.
[FairfieldLife] The essential *Purusha*...essence of all the Vedic Gods.
In Hinduism, Purusha is the Self which pervades the (created or manifest)universe. The Vedic divinities are considered to be the *human mind's interpretation* of the many facets of Purusha. According to the Rigvedic Purusha sukta, Purusha (the soul of the Universe)was dismembered by the devas -- his mind is the Moon, his eyes are the Sun, and his breath is the wind...from Wikipedia (mostly), very nice!! This conforms beautifully with MMY's Gita referral to Brahma as *all-pervading* in creation, Brahman being beyond creation.CH3vs15.
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's Sanatana Dharma...full version.
Yama, niyama, asana, pranayama, pratyahara, dharana, dhyana, samadhi. All limbs must be practiced *simultaneously* as stated in his Gita page 363 Hardback. Yama, Niyama (akin to the 10 commandments), asana, and pranayama lead to pratyahara (withdrawal) which provide a 'meeting' ground for concentration (dharana), meditation (dhyana) and finally Samadhi. All of the above are *yagya* or sacrifice of the ego (lower self) to the will and essence of God (Higher Self or Purusha). Is this not the essence of Religion?
[FairfieldLife] TM-Free Blog is like being on the set of One flew over the Cuckoo's nest...
The only thing missing is the backround music and people dancing in the hallways. Everyone is so 'nice' there, but then I guess that's what happens when you're in recovery and taking all those meds! Let's see: John Knapp would make a good Nurse Racthet and Of course Paul, the hero, could be McMurphy played by good ole Jack Nicholson...WOW what a cast! Popcorn anybody?
[FairfieldLife] TMFree Blog like being on set of One flew over the Cuckoo's nest..
The only thing missing is the backround music and people dancing in the hallways. Everyone is so 'nice' there, but then I guess that's what happens when you're in recovery and taking all those meds! Let's see: John Knapp would make a good Nurse Racthet and Of course Paul, the hero, could be McMurphy played by good ole Jack Nicholson...WOW what a cast! Popcorn anybody?
[FairfieldLife] Why some people 'hate' MMY......
Mainly because he robbed them of their ignorance, and you know the old saying, Ignorance is Bliss. Some of these folks were 'happy' in the comfort of their ego-instigated desires and ambitions (sankalpas), and along comes MMY and steals all that 'peace' away by the application of the ointment of knowledge!! This isn't what they had bargained for at all...and NOW, well now, NO peace. Once the light has dawned the darkness and shadows (wickedness) struggle to hold on, and hence the dilemma. What happened to the peace, energy and happiness MMY promised; now I'm miserable in the awareness of my own wickedness, NO, NO, NO, I won't give in, I will fight!! So now you now how TMfree-blog got started:-) P.S. Like MMY use to say, When the majestic Elephant walks thru the village, the dogs start barking.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people 'hate' MMY......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: I have had (friendly) emails on the side from quite a few of the posters here, and it is disturbing to see some of you post 'hate' mail against critics of Maharishi. Actually, it is quite possible to be critical of someone without hating him. But anyway, I suspect you are in good company as Maharishi has never been good at dealing with criticism, so I guess he deserves to be represented by you and your ilk. What is an ilk? Yeah..it sounds a little hateful to me!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, if I were to single out one person who has brought this forum into disrepute it would be Judy Stein. But you know that. She has done it to AMT, which is something of a wasteland. Do you want FFL to go the same way? No wayit was JRM, without a doubt. Judy is an honest gig! Get real!~ You don't strike me as knowing what you are talking about in this instance! It was JRM posting all the political garbage that did it in! IMO!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip but I do care that free-speech is jeopardised by the behaviour of the few. You know, I have never heard a sillier comment. I'm not sure I even understand it...free speech is a threat to free speech?, someone please help me out here!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps you really don't get it, so I'll explain just the once. Terrorism, the unpleasant combative, thrusting, in-your-face attitudes drive polite civil debaters away. That is what it is for, it is not about encouraging debate but about posturing and misrepresenting until you find the 'opponent' has exited in disgust. This was the MO used at AMT and it is now the MO used at FFL. O, the man has a temper! Sounds like he's about to combust. I guess your thoughtless meditation isn't working?? :-) Hey, take it easy Paul, it's just Chinatown.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why should being good and attaining enlightenment go together?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are at least three. :-) Descrimination is a function of intuition, however, whatever works for you, the proof is in the puddin'. :-) Another taught in some Buddhist traditions involves assessing one's *own* state of attention as a measure of right and wrong. That is, one is trained in discerning the minute variations in state of attention as it fluctuates day to day, hour to hour, minute to minute. Your state of attention changes all the time; it's just that most people haven't ever gained the discrim- ination to notice how *much* it changes from minute to minute. The training involves discerning which shifts in state of attention are up (meaning one has shifted to a higher state of attention) and which are down (shifted to a lower state of attention). Then, after having become somewhat practiced at this, you just watch your *own* state of attention as you act and make your way through the world. If you perform Action X, in Context Y, and your state of attention goes down, you can pretty much be sure that your choice of action in that context was wrong, or at least not as right as it could be. Similarly, if you perform Action X in Context Y and your state of attention goes up, then you did the right thing. This -- for those who can practice it -- is actually looked upon as a more efficient method of determining right and wrong than either scripture or intuition. Scripture has the drawback of being fixed and unaware of *context*, so a rule that says Never kill pigs might be inappropriate in the case of a crazy pig about to kill a young toddler. And intuition is a hit- and-miss proposition for most seekers; sometimes it's right on, sometimes it's not. But watching one's own state of attention, once you've gotten the hang of it, never fails. The reason is that there is a long-term aspect of karma that says that if you do something wrong ALL of the negative energy your actions produce will return to you. That's long-term because it may take lifetimes for all that energy to return to you. But there is also an *instantaneous* aspect of karma -- do something wrong* and your state of attention goes down. Immediately. Do something right and your state of attention goes up. Immed- iately. Thus you can use your own fluctuating states of attention as a guideline. The drawbacks of this approach are two. First, the discrimination necessary to practice it can only be taught via transmission -- by broadcasting states of attention to the students and then varying them some- what and asking them what they perceived when the shared state of attention changed. The second, of course, is that when you do wrong you only really find out about it *afterwards*, as you state of attention has started to slide down. The latter becomes less and less of a problem as you become used to the discernment. You *start* to act a certain way, get an instantaneous readout that you're going the wrong way by realizing that your state of atten- tion is lowering, and thus you correct your path and go a different way. The whole process is that fast; you can make such decisions in microseconds.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 11, 2007, at 7:19 PM, Mr. Magoo wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: A friend sent this to me and I just recently watched it. He believes the idea that Global Warming is influenced by humans is a big scam. And believe it or not, he's supposed to be a scientist. This is a program from the British television (channel 4). http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638 Great Video Vaj!! You believe what it says? That's really the point insn't it? How would we know, we're NOT scientists...it's just a matter of who you believe!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why should being good and attaining enlightenment go together?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Or is there a direct, provable and causal link between being 'good' and attaining enlightenment? I don't think there is any connection between the two, at all. Good question! It's all about Harmony, between YOU and God (or the laws of nature). The more you are in harmony with the laws of nature the more quickly Dharma will propell you to God. It's like being in the main current of a river as opposed to being caught up in an eddy. When we meditate we achieve (eventually) complete surrender to the laws of nature which effortlessly sweep us up to Anandam (as MMY puts it). All of nature is flowing naturally to re-union with that from which it came, being good promotes that, as it is in harmony with the laws of nature. Ego and attachment holds us back..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why should being good and attaining enlightenment go together?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip which gets back to Krishna's Unfathomable is the course of action, even to the enlightened. One thing is certain, GOD knows what is right and wrong! So, you had better be sure you're doing the right thing or you will have adverse karma as a result.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why should being good and attaining enlightenment go together?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip So, you had better be sure you're doing the right thing or you will have adverse karma as a result. ...so it's still a crapshoot. Not entirely, nature gives us two resources to 'check' behavior, One is scripture and the other is intuition or 'conscience', which is an expression of intuition. As conscience and intuition evolve lifetime after lifetime, ones behavior becomes more and more in harmony with the laws of nature, due to the additional experiences one has gained in life. In brief, intuition retained birth after birth is the repository of all of the souls experiences since conception.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend sent this to me and I just recently watched it. He believes the idea that Global Warming is influenced by humans is a big scam. And believe it or not, he's supposed to be a scientist. This is a program from the British television (channel 4). http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638 Great Video Vaj!!
[FairfieldLife] The answer as to the where abouts of Guru Dev's 'Spirit'...
Brahmachari 'Swami' Satyanand speaking c1967 about Guru Dev's 'nirvana',:- snip just a half a minute or two seconds after, a flash came and it appeared to me that Guru Dev was scolding me; What a fool you are! You have been with me for all these many months and years, and you heard my discourses too. Is it a moment of feeling sorry? Why should you be sorry today? And you think that I am gone, where am I gone? Till now whenever you wanted to meet me, you had, you had to come to the place where I was, and today when I have attained nirvana, I am everywhere, I am omnipresent. Where have I gone? Very foolish for you to mourn on this occasion. I am with you, here, there, everywhere. Why should you be sorry? Copied from Paul Mason website, thank you Paul.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The answer as to the where abouts of Guru Dev's 'Spirit'...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Lovely. I think that's a wonderful insight into the nature of omnipresence, as opposed to continued presence. One of the metaphors that the Rama guy I studied with used that I always liked was the teacher as doorway. The enlightened teacher -- if that is what you consider them to be -- is best viewed as a doorway to the infinite. If he or she is living the infinite on a daily basis, then when you look at them you're really looking through them, to what's really important. *They* are not important at all, except *as* a doorway to the infinite. Nicely put, I recently heard a nice commentary on the role of the *guru* stating that when one rises about body consciousness the Master's (guru's) face appears to show you the way. The significance is the *familiarity* of the face which acts as a guide or an 'on ramp' if you wish to the Divine Spirit. The problem that arises sometimes is that students get fixated on the doorway, and forget to look through it, to what is really important. Thus when the doorway dies, they often find themselves look- ing for the infinite in the form of something very finite -- the teacher, the doorway -- when in reality, it's everywhere and everything. Right on! I do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the men of old; I seek the things they sought. -- Basho
[FairfieldLife] A really silly comment......by none other than Mr. Knapp LSGM
If you read the puja, however, what is actually happening is the initiator is bringing Guru Dev, the Maharishi's dead teacher, to my awareness. To the Maharishi, Guru Dev was a still living presence in the Absolute. So I've often wondered if the Maharishi thought of the Puja as being a sort of possession of the initiator by Guru Dev's spirit? Mr Knapp on TMBlog. I wonder where he got the idea that Maharishi thought Guru Dev was still a living presence IN the absolute? That does not even jive with Eastern metaphysics 101, the Guru Dev had reached 'Tat tvam asi' i.e. *Thou Art That*it's too painful to go on it's so moronic, possessed?, gads!
[FairfieldLife] Re: A really silly comment......by none other than Mr. Knapp LSGM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip In the intro to Love and God, p. 11, with reference to Guru Dev, Maharishi says We only pray Him to keep on guiding us, implying that he considers Guru Dev to still be playing a active role from wherever he is. MMY says, We only pray..., he doesn't say he IS!! MMY may or may not know, or it may be presumptous for him to say. Whether Swami Brahmananda took on a 'Bodhisattva' role in the governence of the Universe is speculative at best and CLEARLY has nothing to do with 'awareness' spoken of in the puja!
[FairfieldLife] Re: A really silly comment......by none other than Mr. Knapp LSGM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: In the intro to Love and God, p. 11, with reference to Guru Dev, Maharishi says We only pray Him to keep on guiding us, implying that he considers Guru Dev to still be playing a active role from wherever he is. MMY says, We only pray..., he doesn't say he IS!! MMY may or may not know, or it may be presumptous for him to say. Whether Swami Brahmananda took on a 'Bodhisattva' role in the governence of the Universe is speculative at best and CLEARLY has nothing to do with 'awareness' spoken of in the puja! Have you ever heard Maharishi admit to the possibility of someone who is enlightened dying and taking on a 'Bodhisattva' role? I sure haven't. I remember one long lecture in which he went on and on and on saying that the *only* possibility for what happens to an enlight- ened being when they die is that the drop returns to the ocean, and he said definitely in that talk (in response to several direct questions) that there was *no* possibility of an enlightened being ever incarnating again in any form -- human or subtle. Now I don't personally believe this, but that's what the man said. But then he has waffled on many subjects before, so it's possible that he later recanted and allowed for there being more possibilities than the one he was adamant about in that talk. Has anyone here ever heard Maharishi speak of anything other than the drop returns to the ocean model? I'm mentioning it because if no one has, then Jim's claim to have met Guru Dev would seem to imply that Maharishi was...uh...wrong. Either that or it's possible that Jim was...uh...wrong, and what he met was the aftereffects of one of his burger and margarita feasts. :-) In the broader context, I think a Master can reconstitute his form at any time, the essence (consciousness) is the same. Even Christ appeared to his disciples after the Resurrection. Form is not soul!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Self, Atman, as Absolute Ego
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Interesting talk on Peace where the acceptance of Absolute Self (Atman) is an impediment to accepting our connection to the World. Absolute Self is empty and devoid of Self-nature. Realization of Absolutized identity-habit as the only enemy. http://fyminc.typepad.com/bob_thurman_podcast/2007/03/peace_video_7.htm l That is like saying because a baby crawls, it is an impediment to walking. Acceptance of Absolute Self is a stage, Vaj, leading to full integration of life. That's why Maharishi has for decades referred to fulfillment as 200 percent of life, something every meditator understands. It is part of the intro lecture for goodness sakes. I am glad Uma's dad is at least thinking about it. It would be better if he did TM though. I think VAj is a little mixed up, perhaps 'Bob' is too, he's trying to talk about the pseudo-soul or the ego. The Atman is the *Reality* and the *EGO* (sense created identity) is the illusion (or Bob). The Atman is NOT empty but pure bliss, Sat-chit-ananda. Whew, talk about beating around the bush to get a drink of water.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Self, Atman, as Absolute Ego
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 7, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Mr. Magoo wrote: I think VAj is a little mixed up, perhaps 'Bob' is too, he's trying to talk about the pseudo-soul or the ego. The Atman is the *Reality* and the *EGO* (sense created identity) is the illusion (or Bob). The Atman is NOT empty but pure bliss, Sat-chit-ananda. Whew, talk about beating around the bush to get a drink of water. Did you bother to watch the video? Of course to some Buddhists, the Atman is not real. That's the problem. But I'd rather talk about the video rather than get caught on the tangent of anatman and how Atman causes ignorance to arise (may I recommend a Gelukpa monastery if you want to argue that and have some fun). The idea of 200% is actually a Buddhist idea. Some Mahayana Buddhist sutras and a number of Buddhist tantras, however, strongly insist upon the ultimate Reality of the Atman when it is equated with the essential and eternal being of the Buddha (Wikipedia)...I think I'll pass on this one VAj, it seems a bit of a conundrum! At least it appears 'you're' not mixed up. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Self, Atman, as Absolute Ego
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 7, 2007, at 2:07 PM, Mr. Magoo wrote: Some Mahayana Buddhist sutras and a number of Buddhist tantras, however, strongly insist upon the ultimate Reality of the Atman when it is equated with the essential and eternal being of the Buddha (Wikipedia)...I think I'll pass on this one VAj, it seems a bit of a conundrum! At least it appears 'you're' not mixed up. :-) But of course, this is not what His Bobness was referring to... :-) Correctthink I'll pass. :-) P.S. Still a long ways to go to get a drink of water, no matter how you crack it. Atman has Sanskrit origins with a specific meaning, I think I'll stick with that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Self, Atman, as Absolute Ego
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 7, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Mr. Magoo wrote: I think VAj is a little mixed up, perhaps 'Bob' is too, he's trying to talk about the pseudo-soul or the ego. The Atman is the *Reality* and the *EGO* (sense created identity) is the illusion (or Bob). The Atman is NOT empty but pure bliss, Sat-chit-ananda. Whew, talk about beating around the bush to get a drink of water. Did you bother to watch the video? Of course to some Buddhists, the Atman is not real. That's the problem. But I'd rather talk about the video rather than get caught on the tangent of anatman and how Atman causes ignorance to arise (may I recommend a Gelukpa monastery if you want to argue that and have some fun). The idea of 200% is actually a Buddhist idea. Some Mahayana Buddhist sutras and a number of Buddhist tantras, however, strongly insist upon the ultimate Reality of the Atman when it is equated with the essential and eternal being of the Buddha (Wikipedia)...I think I'll pass on this one VAj, it seems a bit of a conundrum! At least it appears 'you're' not mixed up. :-) It doesn't look like a typo now that I notice it, what is the significance to you of spelling Vaj 'VAj'? It has subliminal meanings that I can't reveal here, especially since Judy may be monitoring this message, and you know how that goes
[FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Self, Atman, as Absolute Ego
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Interesting talk on Peace where the acceptance of Absolute Self (Atman) is an impediment to accepting our connection to the World. Absolute Self is empty and devoid of Self-nature. Realization of Absolutized identity-habit as the only enemy. http://fyminc.typepad.com/bob_thurman_podcast/2007/03/peace_video_7.html Someone who doesn't know what Self is. Ole Bob knows what the Self isn't though...come on!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, it is not the final word. When you get to the fully enlightened state you have to fight this guy. http://tinyurl.com/2w2zd5 then you are ready. OffWorld Quite good actually...the 'dweller on the threshold' is that part of ourself which is a product of the indulgence of the senses. Some call it an 'emotional entity' that must be slain with the sword of spiritual will power! (wisdom) This 'dweller' stands between us and our spiritual soul body, until it is vanquished we are unable to grow spiritually. Until one has achieved 'brahacharya', (where the life force is found continually directed upward) one's energies will be disipated in sensual living and unavailable for spiritual progress! Conquering this 'foe' therefore is the first step in spiritual progress and is referred to as 'Yama'...or brahamacharya (celibacy) in Patanjali's eight limbs of Yoga.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question is when on our journey do we confront the 'dweller on the threshold'? As soon as you start exercising/applying your spiritual will power, which is achieved thru regular meditation, but you must exercise it! Where is the starting point from which to measure our First Step in spiritual progress? Peace and a pure conscience. The draw of the senses can be understood conceptually and felt generally long before the Self is realized, though attempts to channel our energies upwards at that point will be fruitless because we cannot act with precision. If you wait, you ignore the image of God within yourself which entitles/enables you to command your fate, bend your will to God's will. That is spiritual will power. Without Self realization, there is not a clear view of the senses acting upon the mind, and no way to determine a starting point; no foundation from which to begin our spiritual progress. The foundation is Yama and Niyama as stated by Patanjali, Meditation and moral activity go hand in hand! MMY doens't mention this much because he is teaching TM as a simple mental technique and not as a Religion. Only after Self realization, with the senses and the mind both isolated clearly as elements outside the Self, does the activity resulting from wisdom begin to naturally move our life force upwards. Self Realization is the result of the life force (kundalini) moving upwards.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Conquering this 'foe' therefore is the first step in spiritual progress and is referred to as 'Yama'...or brahamacharya (celibacy) in Patanjali's eight limbs of Yoga. The question is when on our journey do we confront the 'dweller on the threshold'? We don't. That's for other traditions of warriors. We are not on that path. We simply transcend that and comes out in the other end, transformed. I would clearly have to disagree...in order to transcend to samadhi a certain amount of spiritual purity must be garnered FIRST! Regular meditation will help you to do this, meditation and activity go hand in hand. You must apply the power you achieve in Meditation, remember the archer analogy.to achieve success in life the arrow must be pulled all the way back to achieve maximum forcethen must be aimed properly!! Your will does the aiming..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So do you see Self realization as the end or the beginning of the journey? As MMY says, Self-Realization (CC) is the basis of God-Realization which culminates in Unity, Brahman. Self Realization is realization of your Self/soul (the microcosm). God Realization is realization of God (the macrocosm and soul of the Solar System. Diety, Personal God in his formless immanent consciousness, Krishna Consciousness, Christ Consciousness, Buddhic plane, etc.) Brahman (pure spirit)is the source and basis of ALL solar systems, transcendental AND immanent, in all creation. Just like we have a physical body and a subtle body, so does the creator. His body is the Solar System and the Sun being it's highest expression, is God's (personal) physical body proper. His soul is the animating substance of the Solar System which MMY calls God Consciousness. Brahman is formless Spirit, transcendental and in some mysterious way immanent in all of his solar systems...there are many Gods of many Solar systems, Brahman is the source of them all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think what nablusos108 is saying is that there is no need for will to be exercised once the arrow is pulled back through meditation. Nonsense..for any progress, either material or spiritual, spiritual will must be employed, all eight limbs of Yoga must be practiced. The arrow will fly to its target as a result of innocent desires for fulfillment coming about as the result of our individual dharma. Our dharma forms the target(s). True, but it's more of a gradual process of alternating meditation with scripturally guided behavior, they go hand in hand. It is thru meditation that we strengthen our will Hey, if you want to go thru life only practicing one limb of Patanjali's Yoga (dhyana) go ahead. That's not want MMY is recommending, read the fine print...all limbs must be practiced simultaneously!! :-) The power resulting from TM comes about naturally as a result of transcending and is expressed naturally through activity. Doesn't mean you stop using your God given power of *free will*. TM improves your skill in activity, your skill to command the laws of nature to work in and thru you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we may be saying similar things. I am just saying it all unfolds naturally. There is no need to take ownership of the process. Even the free will you speak of is something that is expressed naturally in activity as a result of the benefits and insights gained through meditation. My view on all of this is exceedingly simple- I act, and through the fruits of my actions I know what to do next. From one moment to the next. No adherence to anything except the alternation of activity with TM is needed. All the rest comes and goes as it should, ever improving skill in action. Probably, it would be interesting to do a study on TM and the role of Religion. I would conclude that what unfolds naturally is your realization that you need to practice Religion...hee, hee.
[FairfieldLife] Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
Fortunately for me, I kept an open mind and NEVER compromised my objectivity like these morons did! I've read most the great Masters from the East and the esoteric traditions from the West. Been meditating now for almost 39 years, (started at 16) I experienced the bliss MMY and all the Yogis talk about around 1970 in the quietude of our little potting shed behind our house in Los Angeles. Quietly repeating the mantra, I momentary lost consciousness and woke up in the most blissfull state of consciousness I have ever experienced...exactly what MMY said was available thru this TM technique. I have continued to expand my knowledge and experience of Sanatana Dharma, the eternal Religion of the Vedas. Thanks to MMY, and using my little God given brain, I have continued to grow thru TMAND, keeping an open mind! Is TM the final word or the final teaching.don't know, I'm still engaged in research! What a bunch of Morons on TMFreeBlog!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Dear Mr. Magoo, It's unfortunate, but you prove by your hostility exactly what so many have said before, that for many TM simply does not lead to spirituality as understood in Christianity, Judaism, Islam, or even Hinduism. I'm pleased for you that you are pleased with your TM results/experiences. It evidently works for you. Had it occured to you that if it works for me, perhaps some of your concluding comments on the blog may be in error? That's great! Why not simply disagree, whether here or in comments on http://tmfree.blogspot.com/ -- and skip the name calling? Maybe I will, didn' know about the posting. The first 3 sutras that the Maharishi teaches are friendliness, compassion, happiness. You may not realize it, but calling people morons isn't likely to convince others that you are experiencing any of the three. You just betrayed your integrity again by revealing that which was meant to be kept private. John M. Knapp http://tmfree.blogspot.com/ http://trancenet.net/ My contention is the fault is with you Mr. Knapp. MMY and the TMorg just revealed YOU to Yourself, that must be worth something. Are you suggesting here you have no culpability at all?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I believe that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has used deceptive means to spread the teaching of transcendental meditation, I am confident that his motives have been well intended. Although I have voiced criticism of Maharishi, it should not be construed that I believe him to have just been in it for the money or the fame. This statement should not be interpreted as an endorsement of the man or his teachings. Just that I believe him to have intended well by his actions. I do not regret learning TM nor practicing it for well over three decades. As it happens I was originally prompted to write his biography as a showcase for some his wonderfully original thinking, it was only after the first few chapters I came to question some of his methods of spreading his beliefs. I can appreciate that
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alright Magoo, we have your potting shed surrounded. Come out with your hands up. We know you're in there, don't make us have to kick this potting shed door down. I swear to God, it wasn't me, it was that nasty MMY and his henchmen, yeah, that's it!! And when I get otta here I'm gonna squeal, ya hear, I'm gonna squeal, I'm tellin' eveybody that'll listen! (If TMblug is interested, I'm sellin' my story too!!) :-) Yuoo...you crackin' me up here! snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Although I believe that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has used deceptive means to spread the teaching of transcendental meditation, I am confident that his motives have been well intended. Although I have voiced criticism of Maharishi, it should not be construed that I believe him to have just been in it for the money or the fame. From a post by Paul Mason on TMFree: Q. In conclusion then, isn't it true to say that the Maharishi is nothing other than an opportunistic, self-promoting maverick, who wilfully misleads his supporters and anyone else who has the time, the inclination and the money to listen to him? A. Some say the TM method is a good one, some say not. Nice work Judy
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quotes from the characters created by playrights are often wrongly attributed to the writer himself/herself. Although the question and answer was intended to be provocative it was not intended serve as a guide to my opinions of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. But I concede, on reflection, that some might see the remarks otherwise. So, I have taken this opportunity to ammend the online text of this QA, to change the line in question, to bring it more into synch with my own opinion: Q. In conclusion then, isn't it true to say that the Maharishi is nothing other than an opportunistic, self-promoting maverick who, though probably well-meaning, wilfully misleads his supporters and anyone else who has the time, the inclination and the money to listen to him? The real question, if your conclusion is right, then is,...why, and do the ends justify the means. I think with MMY perhaps so. The only thing I would take issue with you is 'self-promoting', perhaps you should use that with a capital 'S' as in Self(God) promoting, isn't that closer to his real character?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Though Paul certainly has no need for outside support, I feel compelled to respond to this thread and offer mine. What is so disappointing in following this particular thread is that, despite Paul's attempt to clarify his position re Maharishi (at least 2 or 3 times within this thread), he is (not surprisingly) unable to extricate himself from mindsets already firmly set in their own concrete. Although I do not share some of Paul's opinions re Maharishi, I can understand why he might hold them. Maharishi has acted in such a way that his motivations and actions can be (and have been) viewed with suspicion and subject to criticism, even if they may have been misunderstood. Maharishi has been an intensely public figure with a very public personna that many people have found to be at odds with some other aspects of his personality. Paul's criticisms of Maharishi are grounded in what Maharishi has done and not done. In my global opinion of Maharishi, his contributions far exceed his failures, whether they be real or imagined, personal or institutional. The fact that someone, and particularly someone like Paul who has done so much hands on research on the subject, could come to a different conclusion is entirely reasonable. My own exposure to Paul has convinced me that he is an honorable, well-intentioned man who is trying to convey the truth as he understands it to be. If, in that pursuit, he attempts to clarify his position or rectify any of his conclusions then why not just accept that at face value? However, this is not an attempt to change other's opinions of Paul. Those who are chronically critical of him will continue along that path. That, too, is a way to be, though it would seem a rather bleak and bitter psychology to have to shoulder. My intention in writing this was merely to offer my support of Paul's good intentions and to vouchsafe, to the degree I know him, of his good character. I am deeply grateful to Paul for his contributions re Guru Dev and Maharishi and appreciate his scholarship. Marek Really fine post Marek..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Gita Commentaries compared to Advaita = Balance
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: amarnath wrote: i feel what America needs right now is a 1,000 Gandhis, Maybe what America needs right now are 2,000 Arjunas. In my opinion, we don't need any more pacifistic Gandhis right now. Because of extreme pacifism the Muslims raped and plundered India, cutting off the heads of the meditating Buddhists. I'm not in favor of that - people should fight for their self-defense. Read the Bhagavad Gita: Lord Krishna said - stand up and fight. Right on Willy...one should fight, not only the internal enemies of the soul, but the external enemies of Truth, which is evil. Soldiers who do this are heros, kshatriyas! Peace Pilgrims and a US Department of Peace America's peace keepers and brain wave coherence generators! The Maharishi's formula is to bring military power in alliance with the invincible power of Natural Law. to turn things around for America; Fort Bliss - America's Homeland Security. The purpose of the military is to keep war from happening — or to end it quickly if it does happen. - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi http://www.invincibleamerica.org/ perhaps, it's too late. Maybe too late to protect Europe - the enemy is already storming the gates. But it's not too late for America - we can still surge forward, like Arjuna in the battle of Kurukshetra, and kill the enemy before they strike us first. According to Yogananda Ghandi was NOT a pacifist. Also Yogananda says: Those who enter the portals of death while engaged in righteous battle to banish any kind of evil, fall asleep on the soft down of meritorious inner soul-satisfaction and are lifted in glory to the astral heaven...make no mistake about it, God knows what is good and what is evil!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Gita Commentaries compared to Advaita = Balance
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, amarnath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read someplace that the three fold path is the safest, most BALANCED way ~ karma~bhakti~jnana I think in this context MMY says it best when he says in his Gita, Awareness in the state of Being (Self-Realization) alone makes the whole field of devotion real. And from Self realization we move on to God realization and ultimately to Unity with pure Spirit or Brahman. Which I think is reflected in the traditional stories. First, one starts with Selfless Service. This develops Humility, begins to starve the ego, and Devotion starts to grow. After some years( 12 ? ) if the disciple is ripe, the Guru gives just a little knowledge ~ too much knowledge would just begin to feed the ego all over again ~ just a little knowledge, perhaps, you are not what you take yourself to be not the body, not the mind not any phenomena, not even the most beautiful and perhaps, a mantra. And off you go to contemplate your inner nature; hopefully, in a short time, surrendering the ego completely, Awakening to Self. Now, how hard can that be? A friend of mine told me that at the time of Awakening, all knowledge is given up. One doesn't necessarily need a Guru to do selfless service. Without any guidance, after Peace Pilgrim devoted her life just to serve the needy, in only 15 years, she was God-Realized; her only knowledge was her inner guidance to really live non-violently. hope this is useful. i feel what America needs right now is a 1,000 Gandhis, Peace Pilgrims and a US Department of Peace to turn things around for America; perhaps, it's too late. But, we can start to do what is right for us, right now, just follow your inner guidance. Also, there are so many beautiful Awakened teachers; if you want, find one without a personal agenda, someone who wants nothing, expects nothing from you; but is willing to give of himself freely. om santi, anatol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung Thanks to anyone who's contributed to this thread. snip Duv...in brief, I think the reason you don't see pleasing personalities on their way to sainthood is because MMY only teaches 1/8 of Maharishi Patanjali's 8 limbs of Yoga. Even though he acknowledges that all 8 must be practiced simultaneously, as stated in his Gita, he seldom emphasizes it. Yama and Niyama are the foundations to a spiritual life. When MMY compromised and taught TM as a Science instead of a Religion (like it was originally) much of the quality was lost, albiet quantity increased, (hence you see a dope like me 38 years and still meditating) but now I practice ALL eight limbs of Maharishi Patanjali's Yoga, do you? And yes, I'm beginning to make progress, real progress!!! snip Mr. Magoo says, Thanks...but, what's your alternative, now that you've bailed on TM? I say, Thanks for that word bailed. I had a very clear triggering snip
[FairfieldLife] Ghandi was not a Pacifist! /was: Maharishi's Gita Commentaries...
Amar-Ghandi was NOT a pacifist! According to Yogananda who knew him personally he (Ghandi) maintained it is better to resist with physical force than to be a coward!! Gita/Yogananda's comment. Just as we fight evil within us, so too we must fight the evil in the larger us...the world! Ahimsa does not equal cowardise! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, amarnath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Namaste, Gandhi faced the fierce Indian mountain worriers and asked them, Why are you afraid? They said, What? We are the fiercest worriers in the world; we are not afraid of anything. Gandhi said, Why all those guns and straps of ammunition around your body? I am not afraid of anything. That's why I don't need the guns. Gandhi won them over and they were the most courageous fighters for non-violence. Perhaps there were times when the good and evil could be separated by groups of people and Avatars like Rama and Krishna came and slew them. But, in these times, the evil is within each one person even within the so called good ones. And, the Gita( see Yogananda's Translation ), for these times especially, is best interpreted in term of the psychology of the mind. Amma says the mind is the Kurushetra( field of battle ). And says, that we are headed for an abyss and due to the unbridled selfishness it is possible that the human race might not survive. So, perhaps there is a time to kill like Rama and Krishna did and perhaps there is a time to die like Gandhi, King, Jesus, and even Krishna allowed himself to be shot by an arrow and before that all his people drowned in the sea. Not sure how Rama left the body. When the curtain is drawn, the play is over. It is the nature of the mind which needs to be understood and conquered. Quoting MMY blindly will not lead to your own Awakening. Good book to read on the nature of mind: Awaken Children Vol 7 teachings of Mata Amritanandamayi. Reading the book will not be enough; observing the nature of one's own mind and some inquiry are needed besides whatever other spiritual practices you do. This is my 2cents, my opinion. Your opinion may be different. Om santi, anatol PS ~ from below ...make no mistake about it, God knows what is good and what is evil!! my comment: do you? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: amarnath wrote: i feel what America needs right now is a 1,000 Gandhis, Maybe what America needs right now are 2,000 Arjunas. In my opinion, we don't need any more pacifistic Gandhis right now. Because of extreme pacifism the Muslims raped and plundered India, cutting off the heads of the meditating Buddhists. I'm not in favor of that - people should fight for their self-defense. Read the Bhagavad Gita: Lord Krishna said - stand up and fight. Right on Willy...one should fight, not only the internal enemies of the soul, but the external enemies of Truth, which is evil. Soldiers who do this are heros, kshatriyas! Peace Pilgrims and a US Department of Peace America's peace keepers and brain wave coherence generators! The Maharishi's formula is to bring military power in alliance with the invincible power of Natural Law. to turn things around for America; Fort Bliss - America's Homeland Security. The purpose of the military is to keep war from happening — or to end it quickly if it does happen. - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi http://www.invincibleamerica.org/ perhaps, it's too late. Maybe too late to protect Europe - the enemy is already storming the gates. But it's not too late for America - we can still surge forward, like Arjuna in the battle of Kurukshetra, and kill the enemy before they strike us first. According to Yogananda Ghandi was NOT a pacifist. Also Yogananda says: Those who enter the portals of death while engaged in righteous battle to banish any kind of evil, fall asleep on the soft down of meritorious inner soul-satisfaction and are lifted in glory to the astral heaven...make no mistake about it, God knows what is good and what is evil!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Gita Commentaries compared to Advaita = Balance=Gandhi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip A good question. Such declarations always remind me of the great quote by Gordon Charrick: You know you've created God in your own image when he hates the exact same people that you do. Hathought you had me right? Wrong! Clearly the above is a secular point of view, from a Religious perspective there is indeed a God who administers justice thru his just laws of karma, As ye sow, so shall you reap but it is God who is the decider hee, hee! (or Bush, as the case may be, Nyuk!)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Never cut TM program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: Never cut your program. For every little section you take out of your program, you take out an equal amount out of your happiness and success in daily life. You must let nothing in life interfere with your meditation. There will always be a force trying to keep you from it. -Maharishi This reminds me of the nuns telling us that if we didn't go to church on Sunday, we would burn in hell. It's very, very rigid thinking. I have not meditated in 8-9 years. I have a very sweet, happy, successful life here in FF. Three of my dome-going friends are on major anti-depressants -- the ones you see advertised non-stop on TV. Whether or not you meditate has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with whether or not you are happy and successful in life. Period. Ouvey...another victim of the half-baked teachings of the TMorg. My friend you must practice all eight limbs of Patajali's Yoga not just one. (TM or dhyana the 7th limb) You must practice Yama, Niyama as a foundation..boy what a mess the TMorg has created, I hope it was worth it!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Gita Commentaries compared to Advaita = Balance
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This could be used as a justification for suicide bombers to blow themselves up, seeking to banish the evil of the soldiers occupying their land. Of course it could.doesn't mean they won't be held accountable according to the laws of karma. If their cause was righteousness it will be rewarded as such if notthey will have hell to pay. What's so difficult about that?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ghandi was not a Pacifist! /was: Maharishi's Gita Commentaries...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: Amar-Ghandi was NOT a pacifist! According to Yogananda who knew him personally he (Ghandi) maintained it is better to resist with physical force than to be a coward!! Gita/Yogananda's comment. But this, of course, doesn't show that Gandhi (note correct spelling) was not a pacifict--because pacifism takes great courage. Judy, there's a time for a pacifist approach, (note correct spelling) and a time for forceful action,
[FairfieldLife] Righteous and unrighteousness wars......Swami Yogananda.
Though force in itself is an evil, when employed against a greater evil, the lesser of the two evils becomes in this world of relativity an act of righteousness. But this is not a free license to resort to force or retaliation. For example, there is a great difference between a righteous and an unrighteous war. A country may be purposely agressive and foment wars to satisfy its greed; a war so motivated is unrighteous action by the aggressors and no soldier should cooperate with it. To defend one's country against the aggression of another, however-protecting innocent, helpless people and preserving thier noble ideals and freedom-is righteous duty. Swami Paramahansa Yogananda in the Bhagavad Gita.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ghandi was not a Pacifist! /was: Maharishi's Gita Commentaries...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: Amar-Ghandi was NOT a pacifist! According to Yogananda who knew him personally he (Ghandi) maintained it is better to resist with physical force than to be a coward!! Gita/Yogananda's comment. But this, of course, doesn't show that Gandhi (note correct spelling) was not a pacifict--because pacifism takes great courage. Judy, there's a time for a pacifist approach, (note correct spelling) Oops! and a time for forceful action, But you haven't addressed my point. Depends on the context, you may be right under certain circumstances and wrong in others.to stand by and watch (or run from) a rapist rape your wife or daughter is not the act of a hero, but a coward. This would be improper use of the principle of Ahimsa.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Gita Commentaries compared to Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Magoo wrote: But you must remember MMY's Gita was never meant to be the final word on the subject.read the disclaimer in the introduction!! Billy - Yogananda teaches a meditation that is transcendental. It's very similar to the meditation taught by Maharishi. I enrolled in Yoganannda's course in 1963 and completed all the instructions. I used to attend services at the SRF on a regular basis at Mount Washington. I've been there many times Yogananda's analysis of the Bhagavad Gita essentially agrees with the comments published by Maharishi - they're both based on the Yoga philosophy first composed by Vyasa. The SRF translation of the Bhagawad Gita is oriented towards Kriya Yoga, a variant of basic meditation practice. Agreed. The Essence of the Bhagavad Gita: Explained by Paramhansa Yogananda, as Remembered by His Disciple, Swami Kriyananda by Swami Kriyananda Crystal Clarity Publishers, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/27s7bh However, the translation of the Gita by Prabhavananda is more slanted toward the Vedanta philosophy. Probably the best translation of the Gita is by Barbara Stoller Miller, who has also recently translated the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali. However, nothing can compare to the richness of commentary detail in Bhagavad Gita As It Is by Swami Bhaktivedanta Saraswati. As you probably know, the philosophy of the Gita was supperceeded by that of the Vedanta - the Gita was commented on only by courtesy, as it were, by Shankara. The Gita supports the notion that Ishvara is the God of Yoga, a Transcendental Person, a notion that is not very compatitble with the concept of Maya espoused by Shankara. Apparently all of the authors of the Upanishads were transcendalists, but not all of them agree with the impersonalist philosophy. However, according to what I've read, neither Yogananda nor the Maharishi are/were Sanskrit readers, so your mileage may vary. The really interesting thing Yogananda brings out is the concept of the Kutastha Chaintya or what he calls the Christ or Krishna Consciousness...MMY's God Consciousness, (No man cometh onto the Father except thru me, the Kutastha Chaintya). The Transcendental is the *Father* beyond creation and the Kutastha is the *personality* of the creation...immanent IN creation. Thanks Willy!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Gita Commentaries compared to Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung Thanks to anyone who's contributed to this thread. snip Duv...in brief, I think the reason you don't see pleasing personalities on their way to sainthood is because MMY only teaches 1/8 of Maharishi Patanjali's 8 limbs of Yoga. Even though he acknowledges that all 8 must be practiced simultaneously, as stated in his Gita, he seldom emphasizes it. Yama and Niyama are the foundations to a spiritual life. When MMY compromised and taught TM as a Science instead of a Religion (like it was originally) much of the quality was lost, albiet quantity increased, (hence you see a dope like me 38 years and still meditating) but now I practice ALL eight limbs of Maharishi Patanjali's Yoga, do you? And yes, I'm beginning to make progress, real progress!!! snip Mr. Magoo says, Thanks...but, what's your alternative, now that you've bailed on TM? I say, Thanks for that word bailed. I had a very clear triggering snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: Santa Rosa Program Update
Ha, ha, ha..that is the funniest post I've ever seen, liberalism in action! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only in California Update on Center Events still on Hold Santa Rosa Maharishi Enlightenment Center 2425 Cleveland Ave, Ste 200, Santa Rosa, CA 95403 707-575-5730 707-568-1084 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Air Quality, New Neighbors In February, we got new neighbors directly below us - Caregivers Compassionate Group - a medical marijuana facility. Unfortunately, their product drifts upstairs and interfers with delivering our product - Pure Consciousness. We are working with the building management to fix the situation. In the meantime, we go on scouting runs to the center to sniff the air and see if it's suitable yet. We are suspending group program (although all our welcome for program at our home - 6:30 liftoff or group TM). We hope to have the facility back in order in time for our Saturday guest lecture by Evan Finkelstein - or we will have it in an alternative venue. We are doing checking and lectures in our home, but the spa activities are too elaborate to move. I continue to go in for morning hours in the center. Thanks for your patience. It's a pretty laughable situation, and only in California! Maharishi Vedic Education Development Corp. http://mec1.qm4.net/a/0/5765273/243528/default.aspx http://MEC1.qm4.net/a/0/5765273/243528/default.aspx Mailing Address: 584 Castro St. #107, San Francisco CA 94114 Tel 415-433-2488 . Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Gita Commentaries compared to Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well lots of folks dipping a toe in my waters. snip Thanks...but, what's your alternative, now that you've bailed on TM?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best snowboarding video ever
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from another website: http://tinyurl.com/36sd2k Amazing...and, how he overcame doubt and fear, the two great enemies holding man back from his innate infinite potential. And *faith* shall move mountains.WOW!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Gita Commentaries compared to Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip Then I read Maharishi's Gita for the last time -- this was years ago now -- and I found that Maharishi's use of language was intolerably fuzzy. He didn't use the words consciousness, witness, self, being, spiritual, transcend, etc. with consistency, and well, frankly failed to show any clarity about the subtle distinctions of identification. I was amazed, because I was sold out to Maharishi for so long and was quite satisfied with his Gita commentary, but that final reading was very frustrating because Maharishi just didn't handle the deep concepts -- the delicacies of consciousness -- to me it was a failure in scholarship which was so egregious that Maharishi's cogency became suspect, and the clarity that Ramana and Nisargadatta show in their conceptual packages was/is stellar by comparison. As was my conclusion as well when I compared Yogananda's to MMY's. But you must remember MMY's Gita was never meant to be the final word on the subject.read the disclaimer in the introduction!! snip to end...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogananda on contacting your guru after he has died
Ha, hahe may be praying to win the lottery as far as I know. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guru Dev, in his capactity as a traditional Hindu Jadaguru, probably would have found a way to get your friend to stop stalking him and instead practice the faith s/he was born into. jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Feb 22, 2007, at 11:45 AM, Mr. Magoo wrote: A friend of mine does this toohe keeps a picture of Guru Dev in and sometimes asks it questions, (he may even pray to it). I think he got the idea from the book The whole thing, the real thing on Guru Dev. Recent Activity 4 New Members Visit Your Group Search Ads Get new customers. List your web site in Yahoo! Search. Y! GeoCities Share Your Passion Join the web's lar- gest community. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. . - Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Gita Commentaries compared to Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Then I read Maharishi's Gita for the last time -- this was years ago now -- and I found that Maharishi's use of language was intolerably fuzzy. He didn't use the words consciousness, witness, self, being, spiritual, transcend, etc. with consistency, and well, frankly failed to show any clarity about the subtle distinctions of identification. I was amazed, Another good pointyou'll notice he refers to brahmi-sthiti, the state of Brahman, as Cosmic Consciousness, I thought it was Unity? page 369HB Go figure? Earlier he goes on to say Cosmic Consciousness is the basis of God Consciousness...go figure? How do you go from Brahman then back to GC and then turn around and come back to Brahman or Cosmic Consciousnessoh, I have a headache! P.S. I have since resolved the riddle, so I'm not asking!! I'm just validating your fuzzy comment!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Gita Commentaries compared to Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any distinction between these states of consciousness is ultimately an illusion. ...and apparently one you don't get!
[FairfieldLife] MMY's Gita merely a cursory translation surrounding Ch2vs45......
If you really want to read the Bhagavad Gita with it's Religious/Spiritual context still in tact read Swami Yogananda's two volumn set, an ambitious project but a remarkable translation! If you think you've read the Gita because you've read MMY's, think again. MMY doesn't even begin to unfold the Holy allegory of this great masterpiece of Vyasa's!! Seriously Don't mean to denegrate MMY's effort, only to put it in context. MMY himself qualifies his translation, as, to fulfill an urgent need and a general basis for further commentaries but deemed it necessary...without further loss of time.
[FairfieldLife] Transcendental meditation (dhyana) is true Religion....
If MMY had come to the west teaching all of Patanjali's *eight* limbs of Yoga, TM would have never gained the popularity it did! MMY sought to 'seduce' the west by giving them a taste of the simplest form of their own awareness, and teach one limb of yoga, TM, as a science! It almost worked..till the lawsuits started!~ It did work for me however!
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's Gita merely a cursory translation surrounding Ch2vs45......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: If you really want to read the Bhagavad Gita with it's Religious/Spiritual context still in tact read Swami Yogananda's two volumn set, an ambitious project but a remarkable translation! How does he translate for instance II 45? Put simply, each Sanskrit name used in the story is represetative only! If you look at the root of the sanskrit name you will find the true meaning of the verse... The ancient sacred writings do not clearly distinguish history from symbology; rather, they often intermix the two in the tradition of scriptural revelation...Yogananda's Gita Introduction. One verse would not do justice to the contention that MMY's is exoteric only, however I could say as an example the Pandavas represent the 5 'spinal' chakras and the blind King Dhritarashtra the 'blind sense mind'.
[FairfieldLife] Esoteric meaning of 'Kurukshetra' in Gita allegory...
(Kuru, from the Sanskrit root kri=work, material action and ksetra= field). This field of action is the human body with its physical, mental and soul faculties, the field (kurukshetra) on which all activities of one's life take place. Gita/Yogananda's
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's Gita merely a cursory translation surrounding Ch2vs45......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: If you really want to read the Bhagavad Gita with it's Religious/Spiritual context still in tact read Swami Yogananda's two volumn set, an ambitious project but a remarkable translation! How does he translate for instance II 45? Maharishi's translation: The Veda's concern is with the three gunas. Be without the three gunas, O Arjuna, freed from duality, ever firm in purity, independent of possessions, possessed of the Self. Yogananda's translation: The Vedas are concerned with the three universal qualities or gunas. O Arjuna, free thyself from the triple qualities and from the pairs of opposites! Ever calm, harboring no thoughts of receiving and keeping, become thou settled in the Self. Nice comparison, but it does not address the overall question and contention.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's Gita merely a cursory translation surrounding Ch2vs45......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip... Maharishi once said; Before this Knowledge (TM) was made available, Yoganandas teaching was the most effective. You know Yogananda, huh ? There was a soft glow of love and respect in the way Maharishi spoke of Yogananda. This quote speaks volumes, though I think Maharishis translation is a tad more acccurate. OK, I give, how so? Yogananda's Gita, you must remember was not published until 1995, MMY had not even read it or was aware of it. MMY's came out in 1967! Although I like your quote from MMY about Yogananda.
[FairfieldLife] A good illustration of the dramatic difference between the two Gita's...
From Yogananda's Gita: (Kuru, from the Sanskrit root kri=work, material action and ksetra= field). This field of action is the human body with its physical, mental and soul faculties, the field (kurukshetra) on which all activities of one's life take place. Gita/Yogananda's From Maharishi's Gita: The field of the Kuru's, is a vast plain near Histinapur in the neighbourhood of Delhi. As it belonged to the Kurus at the time of this battle it is called Kurukshetra. Gita/MMY You be the judge...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogananda on contacting your guru after he has died
Nice...but MMY is NOT a guru! But then maybe you know that, MMY had a Guru, but alas WE do not have a guru, but may want one some day when the time is right!! :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In chapter 4, verse 34, in the second to last paragraph of his commentary on this verse, Paramahansa Yogananda writes about contacting a master after he has died: A disciple residing far away from the guru may practice a spiritual method of communion. The guru, one with God, is present everywhere including the wisdom-center (the point between the eyebrows) of all men. At the end of meditation each day the disciple should concentrate at the point between the eyebrows and visualize his guru. Thinking of him with love and devotion, the disciple should ask the questions he wants answered. If visualization of and concentration on the guru are deep, the chela will inevitably receive silent answers to his questions in the form of accruing inner perceptions. In this way the advanced disciple can contact the guru even after the master has left the mortal flesh for invisible Omnipresence.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A good illustration of the dramatic difference between the two Gita's...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: From Yogananda's Gita: (Kuru, from the Sanskrit root kri=work, material action and ksetra= field). This field of action is the human body with its physical, mental and soul faculties, the field (kurukshetra) on which all activities of one's life take place. Gita/Yogananda's From Maharishi's Gita: The field of the Kuru's, is a vast plain near Histinapur in the neighbourhood of Delhi. As it belonged to the Kurus at the time of this battle it is called Kurukshetra. Gita/MMY You be the judge... I judge that when you take this part of MMY's commentary on the verse out of context, it's highly misleading. MMY has already gone into considerable detail about the metaphorical context of the battle. In this last part of his commentary on the verse, he's simply providing the (quasi-?) historical referents. Is there more to Yogananda's commentary on this verse? Have you taken it out of context too, or is this all he says? I think the post speaks for itself Judy, that type of translation difference is prevalent 'throughout' the books, one is *esoteric* and the other, MMY's, largely *exoteric*. They both have merit, but Yogananda's more clearly captures the heart and soul of the allegory.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogananda on contacting your guru after he has died
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I had my experiences with Brahmananda Saraswati in mind when I posted this. A friend of mine does this toohe keeps a picture of Guru Dev in front of him and sometimes asks it questions, (he may even pray to it) I think he got the idea from the book The whole thing, the real thing on Guru Dev. He calls Guru Dev our Paramguru, which I think is ridiculous since MMY isn't even our Guru, but, to each his own!
[FairfieldLife] Re: A good illustration of the dramatic difference between the two Gita's...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip That's interesting. Yeah, kuru certainly is a form from the root kR, but like bhava, it's the second person imperative singular form of that verb, as in: yogasthaH kuru karmaaNi IMO, interpreting kuru in kurukSetra to mean simply action sounds a bit, well, folk etymological! The appropriate noun would of course be karma(n): karmakSetra. But I've learned that as to Sanskrit, one can seldom know for sure! :) And that, my friend, is a brilliant observation. One that Yogananda addresses in his book as, The true way to understand scripture is through intuition, 'attuning' oneself to the inner realization of truth.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's Gita merely a cursory translation surrounding Ch2vs45......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 22, 2007, at 10:04 AM, Mr. Magoo wrote: If you really want to read the Bhagavad Gita with it's Religious/Spiritual context still in tact read Swami Yogananda's two volumn set, an ambitious project but a remarkable translation! If you think you've read the Gita because you've read MMY's, think again. MMY doesn't even begin to unfold the Holy allegory of this great masterpiece of Vyasa's!! Seriously Don't mean to denegrate MMY's effort, only to put it in context. MMY himself qualifies his translation, as, to fulfill an urgent need and a general basis for further commentaries but deemed it necessary...without further loss of time. It's my understanding that all that was done for MMY's commentary was to read several extant versions and then he gave a synopsis and synthesis--in other words, it's not his own innate knowledge or comment, just a bunch of others put together in his own words. Rather disappointing once you know it's origin. Perhaps..
[FairfieldLife] Re: A good illustration of the dramatic difference between the two Gita's...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you not read what I wrote? Yeah...and don't take my word for it, it was just a teaser, so to speak, see for yourself. In the first place, what you quoted is from the two guys' *commentaries*, not their translations. In the second place, MMY's commentary goes into great detail on the esoteric aspects in his commentary; No he doesn't what you quoted is from the very last part of his commentary on this verse, and it does indeed deal with the exoteric aspects--but not because that's *all* he deals with! Like I said, the *both* have merit!! I'm asking if you have similarly taken the quote from Yogananda out of context. If that's all the commentary he has on the verse, it isn't anywhere near as comprehensive as MMY's. Heavens no! The entire book, Judy, the entire book is like that, to the very last detail. If you've only read MMY's commentary and were going to leave it at that (like I was going to) you're short changing yourself, seriously. MMY really only mentions it as an allegory...he never unfolds it!! Vyasa was a genious and the book deserves better than what MMY turned out, but he felt it was needed to fulfill an urgent need of the time vis-a-vis CH2vs45. Read his disqualifier in the introduction!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's Gita merely a cursory translation surrounding Ch2vs45......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Yogananda's Gita, you must remember was not published until 1995, MMY had not even read it or was aware of it. MMY's came out in 1967! Although I like your quote from MMY about Yogananda. In English it was not out till then, how about Hindi? Paramahansa Yogananda died in '52! Nope, don't think so, it was tied up in editing for that long, believe it or not! Well worth the wait though, the best book on Yoga I've ever read!
[FairfieldLife] Re: A good illustration of the dramatic difference between the two Gita's...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: snip I think the post speaks for itself Judy, that type of translation difference is prevalent 'throughout' the books, one is *esoteric* and the other, MMY's, largely *exoteric*. And no, two isolated quotes most certainly do *not* speak for themselves in terms of what is prevalent throughout the books--especially when one of them, at least, is not at all representative. Did you want me to cut and paste the entire books here? :-) Then I could go...see!
[FairfieldLife] Re: A good illustration of the dramatic difference between the two Gita's...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Guffaw. MMY's translation is dry. The commentary isn't. Did you mean to refer to the commentary? After you read Yogananda's Gita I think you will agree there in no comparison, Yogananda's is clearly superior,(in every way) more profound and speaks right to the heart of the reader, YOU! Truly an inspired effort which makes MMY's tedious, repetitive and confusing in comparison. Like I said, If you have only read MMY's Gita..YOU HAVE NOT READ THE BHAGAVAD GITA!
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's Gita merely a cursory translation surrounding Ch2vs45......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Maharishis commentaries to the 18 chapters are there, done. The next 12 chapters will be published when the time is ripe. Charlie use to read from the advanced chapters that were NEVER published..that is strange in itself??? What happened? Think it thru, all is not right in River City!! That's what happens when you try to teach Religion as Science, etc. etc..when will the 'time be right'? Perhaps the time will be right when TM can be taught as the Religion that it is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A good illustration of the dramatic difference between the two Gita's...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: Truly an inspired effort which makes MMY's tedious, I'm sorry; your agenda is but tedious. You are not reading Maharishis BG, probably because your intellect has not been refined through practise to digest the wisdom. So Mr. Magoo, you silly little young one; do your homework. Now, now...no name calling! BTW, I have read it more than once, I also have the entire thing on cassette tape with Vernon Katz and Mike Tompkins. Sorry...just calling a spade a spade! Politically incorrect these days, I know!
[FairfieldLife] To suggest TM is not a Religion is ridiculous ignorance on your part!
Not only is TM a part of the eternal Religion of the Vedas (Sanatana Dharma) but is only, I repeat, only ONE limb (dhyana) of Patanjali's *eight* limbs of Yoga. The fact that TM is *marketed* as not being a Religion is one thing, (MMY said you can teach TM in whatever form you wish), but to deny it is Religious is ridiculous! Religion=to bind back (to God/Self). TM as a simple mental technique is MMY's effort to reach out to ignorant humanity and let them *begin* to experience the simplest form of their own awareness. When ALL eight limbs of Patanjali's Yoga are practiced *simultaneously* one can be said to be truly practicing Yoga in earnest. (MMY's Gita page 363 HB) Unless you want to hobble along on one wheel..you'll still get there, it'll just take longer!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Life in Fairfield is all bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Police and Sheriff Reports 2/19/07 From the weekend police log: Yuriy Chernenko, 29, of Fairfield reported theft in the fifth degree at the MUM building 140, room 322. Sergiy Gudoshyn reported serious assault at MUM building 143, room 208. The incident is under investigation, and warrants were requested for Yuriy Chernenko, 29, of Fairfield. Just goes to show that most TM'ers don't transcend to savikalpa samadhi, that takes time! My guess is that most don't even get to the first stage of withdrawal which is the 'muladhara chakra'! Doesn't mean TM doesn't work just that it's purported 'immeditate' benefits are exaggerated, such as transcending to pure TC...GMAB!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Life in Fairfield is all bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 19, 2007, at 12:02 PM, Mr. Magoo wrote: Doesn't mean TM doesn't work just that it's purported 'immeditate' benefits are exaggerated, such as transcending to pure TC And what does that stand for...toilet consciousness? Teddy consciousness? Sal Ahhh that means, for you, toilet consciousness!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Life in Fairfield is all bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this indicated by the theft, the violence, or both? Would other forms of wrong action indicate the level of Samadhi to which one had transcended or failed to transcend? So, you mean, you don't realize that Saints and those of high consciousness don't steal? but are naturally good? The by-product of God contact is goodness, is it not?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Life in Fairfield is all bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 19, 2007, at 1:02 PM, Mr. Magoo wrote: Just goes to show that most TM'ers don't transcend to savikalpa samadhi, that takes time! My guess is that most don't even get to the first stage of withdrawal which is the 'muladhara chakra'! Doesn't mean TM doesn't work just that it's purported 'immeditate' benefits are exaggerated, such as transcending to pure TC...GMAB! Yes, that's true. Most people get to the gap between thoughts and think it's PC...primarily because they've been conditioned to believe that by others. Binjo.at least Vaj is a clear thinker!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Life in Fairfield is all bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mr. Magoo Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 12:35 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Life in Fairfield is all bliss --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Is this indicated by the theft, the violence, or both? Would other forms of wrong action indicate the level of Samadhi to which one had transcended or failed to transcend? So, you mean, you don't realize that Saints and those of high consciousness don't steal? but are naturally good? The by-product of God contact is goodness, is it not? That's what I always thought, but it seems that saints, or purported saints, do all kinds of shady stuff. The Puranas are full of such stories. For contemporary examples, you need look no further than MMY. True MMY has been duplicitous, and that could be an indication of his level of consciousness, however, since I am NOT enlightened I find it hard to evaluate him. He will probably always be an enigma in my book, he certainly enlightened me with TM, from which I will always be grateful, though sometimes I am baffled by his behavior and therefore think he merits some of the criticism he gets!
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I Believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: You have a gift Amigo, I can't stop laughing, where's Delia? All glory to Steve Martin, I am but an innocent loudspeaker. You lost me on the Delia reference. A great past AMT poster!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I Believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: You have a gift Amigo, I can't stop laughing, where's Delia? All glory to Steve Martin, I am but an innocent loudspeaker. You lost me on the Delia reference. A great past AMT poster!! Yeah, the legendary DHM (dihydromonoxide) thread! :) Hey..that's right, that was hers too? Poor witch, wonder what she's up to?
[FairfieldLife] Re: To suggest TM is not a Religion is ridiculous ignorance!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: Not only is TM a part of the eternal Religion of the Vedas (Sanatana Dharma) but is only, I repeat, only ONE limb (dhyana) of Patanjali's *eight* limbs of Yoga. The fact that TM is *marketed* as not being a Religion is one thing, (MMY said you can teach TM in whatever form you wish), but to deny it is Religious is ridiculous! Religion=to bind back (to God/Self). TM as a simple mental technique is MMY's effort to reach out to ignorant humanity and let them *begin* to experience the simplest form of their own awareness. When ALL eight limbs of Patanjali's Yoga are practiced *simultaneously* one can be said to be truly practicing Yoga in earnest. (MMY's Gita page 363 HB) Unless you want to hobble along on one wheel..you'll still get there, it'll just take longer! Q: Which of the 8 limbs isn't inherent in every religion? A: Dyhana aka Transcendental Meditation Nor is samadhi...the eight limb, but dhyana is in Hinduism, Buddhism and others.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Burning Incense Releases Cancer-Causing Chemicals
Nice postI've always kinda wondered about it. I have been burning some Japanese incense with 'less' smoke called 'morning star', kind of a different vibration but still very good quality. BillyG. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: News articles on newscientist.com and mercola.com indicate that burning incense can expose people to dangerous levels of cancer-causing chemicals. Both articles are based on a study that was published in a September, 2001 issue of the /Bulletin of Environmental Contamination and Toxicology/. Researchers collected air samples from inside and outside of a temple in Taiwan, and found that the air inside the temple was highly concentrated with a group of cancer-causing chemicals called polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs). One PAH called benzopyrene, which is linked to lung cancer in smokers, was found to be 45 times more concentrated in the temple than in homes where people smoked cigarettes. More here: http://drbenkim.com/burning-incense-cancer.html Begs the question on whether or not the monks in the temples ever came down with cancer?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The chakras and Aum mentioned in the Bible...
Revelation 3:14 ...these things saith the 'Amen', the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rama krishna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello ! i read this message (from mdixon dt.Wed Jan 24, 2007 ) wherein it was stated that aum is mentioned in Bible: Revelation 1:10 I was in the spirit (meditation) on the Lords day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet. Aummm... an I browsed through a couple of Bibles online but couldn't get a confirmation on this i.e there is no specific reference to aum. i wuld be grateful if someone culd provide me some reference Bible ON THE NET where the specific reference to aum is contained. the bible i referred to was at this link: http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rev/Rev001.html thanks rama krishna - TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT WILL FAIRFIELD IOWA LOOK LIKE BY THE END OF 2007?
Indeed, time will tell if its destined to be or a house of cards --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have a dome in Fairfield, Iowa. I don't understand some of the reaction from the original comments I made regarding dome policies. Doing the ME in Fairfield Iowa is the issue not Iraq. If you have no faith left in what Maharishi is doing or has done than just move on. It is no wonder that the TMO gets away with silly guidelines that are fundamentalist in nature. They have a Fairfield community that doesn't know how to organize at the grass roots level to make a statement to the TMO about how their policies are hurting the world. Instead people get on the FFL forum and become isolated opinion minds who would rather spend their time criticizing people like myself who are offering other ways to change the situation. And if the situation cannot be changed then an alternative approach would be more creative that accomplishes the goal that Maharishi wanted. We have huge problems on this planet. Spiritual organizations that don't know how to work together with most of the leaders from India and spiritual communities that have given up on creative solutions that would continue the process of human evolution to build self-empowerment. Start looking at yourselves as the new leaders of the world. And get ready for Maharishi not being around anymore by the end of this summer. Both the Fairfield community and the TMO will be going through a basti. With all of the shit that is backed up in the fundamentalist digestive system of the TMO and all of the waste that is floating around in the Fairfield community, the outcome will need some direction or it could destroy everything Maharishi worked for. Fairfield will either prosper to a different level or it will become a ghost town after Maharishi's departure. How do you want Fairfield Iowa to look or operate after Maharishi's death? You can continue to judge him or take what he has taught us and use our creative intelligence to create a world filled with love and joy. A wonderful opportunity is upon us. Choices will be made. People will be saying all kinds of things. Leaders for Maharishi will be fighting over who is the true owner of the piece of golden pie that the organization has created for itself. You may ask -well Lou what are you going to do about it? I will be moving to Fairfield Iowa by the middle of April 2007. I will try to present my own creative solutions to many of the issues that will come up. I will morn with the community as we let go of the greatest meditation teacher that this planet has seen. With all of the controversies that surround MMY he is still very difficult to replace. My visit to Fairfield for eight days from Jan 8th to 15th was very interesting. I experienced the conservative fundamentalist attitude from the dept of cons. and the more liberal feeling from the Farifield community. I was impressed with the wide spectrum of experiences in the spiritual and artistic realm of life. I have friends on both sides of the fence. I do understand what has been going on in the TMO and how some people have been isolated by following their own inner voice. My biggest problem is the strict guidelines that turn away Sidha's from the dome. Also, the meditators continue to be put to the side as if they are less than in comparison to the Sidha's. This is the wrong approach. I have been told by Saint Anthony who is channeled through a dear friend of mine that Maharishi did not set up the guidelines for the department for the development of consciousness. That the leaders in America of the TMO set them up. That Maharishi is tired of dealing with these issues. Personally I think Maharishi should deal with these issues and clear them up now. I am also in the process of making contact with a top person in the TMO to let him know what it going on in Fairfield Iowa. Many of MMY leaders forget what its like in the real world. As I meditated and did my Sidhi's program out in my rental car in the parking lot of the domes I got a good dosage of what its like to be judged for being an astrologer, yoga teacher and a teacher of meditation. You may ask, why is Lou even doing this? Putting himself in this position? Because I needed to experience first hand what goes on in the department for the development of cons. because it was 26 years ago that I had been to Fairfield. Wow. Not a change in the energy of the TMO. We are headed for a showdown by the end of this year. I wouldn't doubt a spaceship landing in those open wide corn fields after Maharishi passes over and out comes Maharishi introducing us to Guru Dev who informs the TMO that they are off the program and need to lighten up. He may even tell them to leave Lou Valentino alone. I happen to
[FairfieldLife] The chakras and Aum mentioned in the Bible...
Revelation 1:10 I was in the spirit (meditation) on the Lords day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet. Aummm. Revelation 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me, I saw seven golden candlesticks Revelation 1:16 And 'he' had in his right hand seven stars, and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword. St. John saw the seven spiritual/astral centers of lightand it was good! :-)
