Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: PROVIDER OF KNOWLEDGE

2015-07-06 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I have not been to the World Trade Center area since 2001. About three months 
after the attack, I walked around the entire complex, which was boarded off, 
except for the egress road where they were carting debris out of the area. An 
endless stream of large trucks carrying beams and concrete and other rubble.
I recall flying (not me as pilot of course) within a couple of hundred feet of 
the towers back in the 1980s in a small plane. And being up on the observation 
deck of one of the towers, maybe in 1979.
Security in the city varies depending on assessed threat level.
How is St. Pat's, I have not been in there for a while, is the scaffolding on 
the inside finally gone? Sometime I meditate in Cathedrals. There is another 
called St. Mary's just off Times Square and it seems a bit quieter. I am of 
course not Catholic, I am blissfully non-theistic, invading the sacred spaces 
of the reality challenged. 


 On Sunday, July 5, 2015 4:32 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
   

     Xeno, thank you for your detailed response.
I enjoyed every minute of it!
Oh, a little follow up on Bhairitu's comment about high security in NYC.
As I met my wife and daughter after they attended Mass at St. Patrick's 
Cathedral ,there was a heavy police presence,. They were with armed semi, or 
fully automatic assault rifles and other gear.  So, that was interesting.
Also, the two Memorial Pools at the 9-11 site, marking the location of the two 
towers, was very impressive, IMO.  
Everything to do with the memorial was controversial including the memorials, 
but I found them to be rather perfect.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

Thanks for the invitation, but I have other obligations.

I deleted my post as I tend not to have any photos I have taken remain on the 
Internet in a public space for very long. I live about a 60 mile drive out of 
the City, and tend to avoid going into the City unless I have to. Normally I 
drive to the Metro North Train Station in Brewster (and at my age the round 
trip costs about $18.50), which actually costs less that the total cost of 
driving, though it takes longer. Parking is expensive in New York unless you 
hunt around. I have medical appointments on Monday. As I get older these 
appointments seem to be increasing in frequency.
My vehicle is about 15 years old and I need to take it in for repairs, the 
exhaust system needs patching (I hope) as there are some holes in it and my SO 
is complaining about fumes, she is very sensitive to industrial fumes even 
though she thinks nothing of asphyxiating me with smoke particles from incense. 
The Cloisters was interesting. That day I was there, I went with a local photo 
club. The museum gave me temporary permission to use a tripod so I was able to 
get shots in darker areas until my camera died. I used my SO's camera for the 
rest of the day. I think that camera died a few months later too.
Once again thanks for the invite, but it takes a lot of pressure to get me to 
go into New York City. If I go in more than two or three times a year, it's 
unusual.
-
  From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2015 1:50 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: PROVIDER OF KNOWLEDGE
 
 Xeno, I replied to a message you had posted here last night, but my reply 
never showed up, and now I don't see your original message.
But I enjoyed your piece about The Cloisters, and wanted to invite you for 
lunch at the Four Seasons, Pool Room tomorrow (Monday), at noon.
That may depend if our attire will permit us entrance, but if not we will dine 
somewhere else.
We'll be a party of four, two adults, and two grown kids.
I know little about the Four Seasons other than hearing about it occasionally, 
but I read that it may have to relocate, and that it had a wonderful atmosphere.
And me, being a sucker for darshan, of any sort, I though,we'd make a splurge.
Hope you can make it, even with the last minute notice!


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

Having located the source of our knowledge from India it turns out to be 
DIKSHIT
Dikshit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

|  |
|  | Dikshit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Dikshit or Dikshitar 
(/ˈdɪkʃɪt/) (Hindi: दीक्षित) is a Hindu family name. The word is an adjective 
form of the Sanskrit word diksha, meaning provider of knowledge. Dikshit in 
Sanskrit derives itself as a person involved in scientific studies, and 
literally translates as one ... |  |
| View on en.wikipedia.org|   Preview by Yahoo  |
|  |

This simple discovery solves a lot of problems with regard to technical and 
intellectual difficulties anyone has encountered in the TM movement.

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[FairfieldLife] Apostates

2015-07-06 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I hear our moderator, a TM apostate now, was up visiting one of the 
non-approved Indian saints up in Chicago. As one of FFL's biggest spammers and 
generally non-interactive complainer, he has been relatively silent now that he 
holds the moderator button. In particular with that complete lack of 
transparency as far as TuquoiseBee was concerned. The few glimpses he gave for 
reasons to press the delete button on him were absurdly implausible, 
considering things that have gotten by subsequently. I mean, if a single poster 
negatively impacts your view of spirituality, and you cannot stand up to that 
person while in the relative safety of online discourse, it only shows that 
whatever spirituality you have got is meaningless and in a practical sense, 
ineffective, and have a need to resort to secrecy and subterfuge to achieve 
ones goal.
Spirituality, and most other disciplines are laced with all kinds of absurd 
beliefs which followers seem to have a need to maintain. Some of these absurd 
beliefs are temporary necessities on a spiritual path because they provide a 
soft landing for the passage of various experiences (TC, CC, GC, UC, 
experiences like that), but in the end they all go if you find what you were 
actually seeking. Yet it seems inevitable that spiritual teachings are adopted 
not because they are true, but because they provide an axe with which the human 
ego can justify its carnage in the world by acting as if those ridiculous 
statements about reality were true, hiding the doubts that surround such 
beliefs from itself.
There is a certain humour in the human condition here, well stated by Andy 
Borowitz:
MINNEAPOLIS (The Borowitz Report) – Scientists have discovered a powerful new 
strain of fact-resistant humans who are threatening the ability of Earth to 
sustain life, a sobering new study reports.
The research, conducted by the University of Minnesota, identifies a virulent 
strain of humans who are virtually immune to any form of verifiable knowledge, 
leaving scientists at a loss as to how to combat them.
'These humans appear to have all the faculties necessary to receive and process 
information,' Davis Logsdon, one of the scientists who contributed to the 
study, said. 'And yet, somehow, they have developed defenses that, for all 
intents and purposes, have rendered those faculties totally inactive.'
More worryingly, Logsdon said, 'As facts have multiplied, their defenses 
against those facts have only grown more powerful.'
While scientists have no clear understanding of the mechanisms that prevent the 
fact-resistant humans from absorbing data, they theorize that the strain may 
have developed the ability to intercept and discard information en route from 
the auditory nerve to the brain. 'The normal functions of human consciousness 
have been completely nullified,' Logsdon said.
While reaffirming the gloomy assessments of the study, Logsdon held out hope 
that the threat of fact-resistant humans could be mitigated in the future. 'Our 
research is very preliminary, but it’s possible that they will become more 
receptive to facts once they are in an environment without food, water, or 
oxygen,' he said.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: PROVIDER OF KNOWLEDGE

2015-07-05 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Thanks for the invitation, but I have other obligations.

I deleted my post as I tend not to have any photos I have taken remain on the 
Internet in a public space for very long. I live about a 60 mile drive out of 
the City, and tend to avoid going into the City unless I have to. Normally I 
drive to the Metro North Train Station in Brewster (and at my age the round 
trip costs about $18.50), which actually costs less that the total cost of 
driving, though it takes longer. Parking is expensive in New York unless you 
hunt around. I have medical appointments on Monday. As I get older these 
appointments seem to be increasing in frequency.
My vehicle is about 15 years old and I need to take it in for repairs, the 
exhaust system needs patching (I hope) as there are some holes in it and my SO 
is complaining about fumes, she is very sensitive to industrial fumes even 
though she thinks nothing of asphyxiating me with smoke particles from incense. 
The Cloisters was interesting. That day I was there, I went with a local photo 
club. The museum gave me temporary permission to use a tripod so I was able to 
get shots in darker areas until my camera died. I used my SO's camera for the 
rest of the day. I think that camera died a few months later too.
Once again thanks for the invite, but it takes a lot of pressure to get me to 
go into New York City. If I go in more than two or three times a year, it's 
unusual.
-
  From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2015 1:50 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: PROVIDER OF KNOWLEDGE
   
    Xeno, I replied to a message you had posted here last night, but my reply 
never showed up, and now I don't see your original message.
But I enjoyed your piece about The Cloisters, and wanted to invite you for 
lunch at the Four Seasons, Pool Room tomorrow (Monday), at noon.
That may depend if our attire will permit us entrance, but if not we will dine 
somewhere else.
We'll be a party of four, two adults, and two grown kids.
I know little about the Four Seasons other than hearing about it occasionally, 
but I read that it may have to relocate, and that it had a wonderful atmosphere.
And me, being a sucker for darshan, of any sort, I though,we'd make a splurge.
Hope you can make it, even with the last minute notice!


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

Having located the source of our knowledge from India it turns out to be 
DIKSHIT
Dikshit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

|  |
|  | Dikshit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Dikshit or Dikshitar 
(/ˈdɪkʃɪt/) (Hindi: दीक्षित) is a Hindu family name. The word is an adjective 
form of the Sanskrit word diksha, meaning provider of knowledge. Dikshit in 
Sanskrit derives itself as a person involved in scientific studies, and 
literally translates as one ... |  |
| View on en.wikipedia.org|   Preview by Yahoo  |
|  |

This simple discovery solves a lot of problems with regard to technical and 
intellectual difficulties anyone has encountered in the TM movement.  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: We Were at this Place Today [1 Attachment]

2015-07-04 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
The one time I was at the Cloisters, my camera died. I was photographing a 
wooden statue of Jesus, and the camera's life came to an end, unrepairable. 
What can you expect from a Jesus dummy. As the ticket also included the Met 
museum as well, I went there next. I took an image of an Egyptian statue, some 
tomb builder or something who lived several thousand years ago.
  From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2015 2:15 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: We Were at this Place Today
   
    well, actually you go back in time.
017 | The Metropolitan Museum of Art
 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote :

I had no idea that anything physically existed above Central Park.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

We were at this place today.
Visit The Cloisters | The Metropolitan Museum of Art
|  |
|  | Visit The Cloisters | The Metropolitan Museum of Art The Cloisters 
museum and gardens is the branch of The Metropolitan Museum of Art in northern 
Manhattan devoted to the art and architecture of medieval Europe. |  |
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  Was gonna invite xeno to meet us for lunch one day up here in NYC, but guess 
that ain't gonna happen.
Got some funny directions leaving the museum trying to find the subway,and we 
ended up walking two miles along the freeway, looking down at the Hudson River, 
before we finally found it.
Ain't a lot of green in NYC, but we had a nice stroll through Central Park.
Tired as hell, but we're gonna have some dindin, and check out Times Square.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can AI Machines Know Ethics?

2015-06-28 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Empty seems to be replying to the digest version of FFL. This does not supply a 
means to duplicate the message you are responding to. To do that you have to 
manually copy the content of the message and paste it into the response, which 
otherwise starts as a blank slate with just the title of the thread. There is 
no message history mechanism in the digest if you reply to the group via 
e-mail. So to clue people into who you are talking to you have to do some 
additional work. I simply ignore most messages that do not contain message 
history in the reply.
  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 6:25 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can AI Machines Know Ethics?
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote :



This msg was a reply to Duveyoung's post on the thread :

Can AI Machines Know Ethics?
Msg 8 of 11
June 27, 6:27pm
So you aren't going to click on show message history? It's a lot easier  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Uncle Tantra an enigma, a paradox (Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines)

2015-06-27 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

  From: jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 8:02 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Uncle Tantra an enigma, a paradox (Reaffirming 
The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines)
   
    

Uncle Tantra was really a complex character. 

One of the reasons you guy were so pissed with him is 
because, he constantly brags about how fantastic his life 
is, how much he is really enjoying is life, and how dull and 
drab are the lives of other members of FFL.

A guy who is *really* enjoying his life will never brag to 
others about his fantastic life, and such a person will also 
never make fun of other peoples drab lives.
That is just a guess, it is certainly logically possible to have a fantastic 
life and to talk about how fantastic it is.

Imagine Bill Gates coming to this forum and bragging how 
rich he is and how poor we all are. You would certainly 
think something is seriously wrong here.
Maybe, but Gates could prove he was richer than just about anyone else.

He was really a primadonna queen, treating this forum as his 
personal blog. It ate up too much space. I warned him about 
it on a few occasions, but it fell on deaf ears. He often 
ranted about how well he is ignoring certain other people on 
the forum. ignore their sill asses, ignore their silly 
asses as he would say.

Barry has amazing philosophical talent and intellectual 
talent. But as all immensely talented people have flaws, he 
too had some.

These things don't change the fact, that I learnt a lot of 
valuable things from him. I would be a churl if I denied 
that.

I think he learnt most of his tacky-tawdry psychological 
trickery, and a number of bad habits from that charlatan 
Rama Lenz. I think it corrupted his soul, and he never 
really got out of that strangle hold.

Barry also had a bright side. An amazing sense of humor. A 
fine appreciation of music and movies. An excellent 
understanding of both science and philosophy and how the two 
fit together. Some of the conversations he had on the forum 
are very memorable.

A 100 years in the future, if a historian does research on 
the TM-movement, I am sure he would be mentioned in that.



--- Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Judy said: (Goodness knows you don't have the integrity to retract it.)

Um, that's exactly the kind of trollery that the dearly departed perfected.  
YOU'RE NOT A PSYCHIATRIST.  
Posts at FFL are never enough to decide on someone's integrity.

Face it, Judy, you're still smacking back, instead of turning a cheek.  Are you 
really that victimized by anything anyone says here?  

If you won this argument, if everyone but Curtis backed you up, even then, I 
don't see you getting happier, but merely going on to the next issue with the 
same 'tude.  Is that a fair assumption on my part?  Or have I just trolled you? 
 

After all these years, with this new-life spurt here, why not give it a rest?  
You're much bigger than these tiny shit barbs.  Of course, I've made it harder 
to suck it up, because I'm not a pal, and here am I giving therapeutic advice, 
but it is what it is. 
Heh, some of my most commonly recurring truth-concepts have been taught to me 
by my enemies.I'm talking serious fucking enemies who left still deeply red 
scars on my soulso I have to bat away thoughts about them when I dwell with 
the truths they taught.  

It just so sucks, eh?  


Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug?  Will he bounce others?   I 
don't think so.  Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other 
that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that.  

Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough.  So? 
 Yeah, abusive.  So?

I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly 
rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set.   Doug 
chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this 
shows his, um, forbearance?

Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself 
for the barbs.  Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of 
Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up.


More than you know, Bro.  If anything, all I can do is excuse myself is say, 
I'm still giddy with all the new-found freedom here.  But, too, yes, I do 
sincerely get it that you and Turq had a robust and decent relationship here at 
FFL that often served our needs.  Sorry for your loss.  Hey, ask Turq to tell 
you where else he's posting about spiritual stuff -- maybe you guys can tag 
team there!  
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Doing full justice to something magnificant

2015-06-26 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

  From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 1:32 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Doing full justice to something magnificant
   
    I can't even comment on this right away. I just want it to sink in for the 
readers. Take it in, let it wallow in your mind. Take a moment, perhaps with a 
cup of tea, open the windows, hear the birds, breath in the the fresh air of 
Summer and enjoy something special, nay, something beautiful. In the way an 
Amazon naturalist might approach a spider in a web face high. Cautiously, with 
equal parts revulsion and fascination...

Exchange from a previous post:

Buck being channeled though Doug:

Yes, Turqb and Serious are gone fromFFL by moderation. I am only the CEO. My 
master is the list owner.We had quite sufficient back and forth about this 
before taking ouradditional time to go in to pull the moderation levers in 
thecontrols

Where does Doug say bouncing Barry was a joint decision by him and Rick? Isn't 
that what you accused him of lying about?
I don't see it. This refers to I am only the CEO. My master is the list 
owner. Entirely proper, and what Rick said as well (If Doug abuses his 
authority and/or fails to moderate fairly and objectively, I will revoke his 
moderator status).
Pull the moderation levers in the controls refers to Rick changing the member 
settings for the group to allow Doug to moderate (delete posts, bounce people, 
approve posts before they go up, etc.).
 Where's the lie, Curtis?
Yer gettin' old, Curtis. Your technique is becoming calcified.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines

2015-06-26 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

  From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 2:27 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
   
    Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug?  Will he bounce others?   
I don't think so.  Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other 
that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that.  

Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough.  So? 
 Yeah, abusive.  So?

I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly 
rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set.   Doug 
chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this 
shows his, um, forbearance?

Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself 
for the barbs.  Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of 
Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up.Why do you have to steel yourself 
against the barbs? Why not let them just pass by like the wind. They are not 
going to knock you over.

 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :


Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 
years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL, 
Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow 
affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term 
re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that 
allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech. 
Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the 
dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of 
truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position.
I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the 
so-called guidelines.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :


Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving verymuch within the spirit and intent 
of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines inthe re-moderation we have done thus 
far spam removed.










































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[FairfieldLife] Freedom of Speech

2015-06-26 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
'What is freedom of speech anyway? There is the joke told years ago by the 
Russian comedian Yacov Smirnoff. He was confronted by an American bragging 
about freedom of speech. Smirnoff retorted: Big deal! We also have freedom of 
speech in Russia. What we don’t have is freedom after speech.'

Just thought our moderator would like to know the company he keeps.


Re: And talk about Turq's personality too Re: [FairfieldLife] Time to come clean Doug

2015-06-25 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Thank you Ravi. And yes, I am happy. I do not feel all that dissonant. I do not 
feel obsessive, it just kind of oozes out. It is hard to philosophise when you 
are insane, but guys like Charles Manson made interesting attempts. Keep 
trying. I hope your grandmother's passing was an easy one.
  From: dr_rc_racy no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:28 AM
 Subject: Re: And talk about Turq's personality too Re: [FairfieldLife] Time to 
come clean Doug
   
    Hi dear Grandpa Xeno - yes I'm doing very well indeed. My grandmother, alas 
is no longer with us, she passed away last year in April. Thank you for your 
concern, much appreciated.
Jekyll  Hyde you say?
This is my insight for you grandpa, this dissonance is the product of your mind 
that goes on this incessant, obsessive philosophizing, almost effortless, 
mechanical and autonomic,  totally insulated from the truth.
It fools people into believing you are presenting some sort of objective, 
enlightened, dispassionate, disinterested position when in reality it is 
masquerading your biases.
I almost admire and envy this ability of you to philosophize on auto-pilot. I 
tried a few times to emulate you, as an experiment in response to specific 
situations. I tried to come up with the sort of philosophizing that you indulge 
in with such wild abandon and I mostly failed, it's hard. I cant' be you 
Grandpa Xeno.
Happy?



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

Ravi,
How are you these days? Is your grandmother still with us? I still remember 
that picture you posted. As for you, you always seemed to have Dr Jekyll/Mr 
Hyde personality here. This here is Dr Jekyll posting. When the Mr Hyde side 
posted, it was difficult to respond because there was no logical handle upon 
which to grasp. Have you had any big insights recently?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Curtis - you really need to stop this malice and deception please. I don't have 
the time or energy or the inclination to post here and re-hash old issues from 
4 years back. The fact of the matter is Ravi didn't cause you any personal harm 
nor did I cause this international conspiracy of flooding the search engines, 
how hilarious and preposterous.
You got a taste of your own medicine and a taste of what your pal dishes out to 
everyone else - gratuitous, egregious barrage of insults.
Please move on Curtis - stop your poor me routine.
Same goes for the likes of Xeno and empty bill, stop these personal attacks on 
me.
Otherwise I agree with you. Doug's not the moderator I would have, he has been 
a TM cult enabler, an unoriginal, uninteresting poster who spammed the list 
repeatedly over the years. But that doesn't disqualify him from being a 
moderator but I would be concerned if his moderatorship results in stopping the 
freedom of expression FFL is renowned for. You are right in questioning his 
motivations in banning Barry, he just needs to state clearly why he has banned 
Barry that's all.
As a former poster I'm glad to see Barry go, Edg's impassioned posts 
demonstrate why Barry has been such a toxic influence here and you Curtis have 
been one of his greatest enablers here, and you should be ashamed for that.
Ravi


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :


Edg,

I was not in Barry's crosshairs and you were. I never viewed you through his 
eyes. You and I became friends on our own as we sized each other up as good 
people. So I am not judging you for your opinion of him nor him for his opinion 
of you. That is between you two guys and is none of my business. I always deal 
one on one and make up my own mind on people here.

If I was Barry's target I would probably feel as you do. But I would just tune 
him out like I did others who went after me or find a way to interact that 
suited my writing interests. And I might write as you have dancing on his grave 
a bit. I get the appeal and I always enjoy reading you whatever the topic.

But the bigger issue for me isn't Barry, it is an environment I have valued for 
a place to exercise free thought. It has been hijacked by someone who not only 
does not value free expression, he has acted against it. I know you felt the 
chill when he went after that Lynch comment as an actionable offense. 

If we want to understand what freedom of speech is all about, defend it for 
someone whose views we disagree with. I used to argue against banning Ravi for 
raving here until he crossed over a clear line of personal harm. I thought he 
deserved to be able to post because I didn't want anyone making that kind of 
content judgement calls on anyone here. 








---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

I would be willing to give Turq an offer to post ONCE more.cuz it'd be 
great to see how hard he'd cram everything into it.  Hilarious, right?

I tried hard as hell to like Turq, because

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug

2015-06-25 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Ah. The master projector oracle speaks. I know, she says, exactly what everyone 
is really thinking and why.
  From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

I would certainly have to agree with you, xeno.
The question is how, or why do you respond to someone who, for a great majority 
of the time, is just going for a reaction.
It is a total waste of time, for which I am guilty.
I agree that Barry was likely never upset when he posted.

I beg to differ with both of you. He was often incoherent with rage and 
completely out of control when he posted after someone had dissected one of his 
posts. You could count on it: he would very rarely respond directly to 
criticism, but a day or so later, he'd come out with one of his long posts 
attacking the critic on whatever grounds he could dream up.
All his bluster about folks being attached to the self was projection; he was 
as attached as anybody and much more attached than some.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, Time to shut down FFL (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)

2015-06-25 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
This place may just fade into the woodwork. It does get tiresome. I am pretty 
sure Barry was feeling wearisome about it. He did post many marvellous things. 
His not being here seems the result of a personal vendetta at the hands of the 
moderator. The problem with power is it reveals one's corruption. Judy seemed 
to lose interest, maybe she just got tired. Her method of posting did not seem 
to have changed. Barry challenged people at the gut level as well as at the 
intellectual level. The gut level is much more difficult to respond to because 
it activates the lower emotional brain functions, and the intellect goes into 
hibernation as a result. You even see this in the Bhagavad-Gita: 'From anger 
delusion occurs, from delusion bewilderment of memory, after forgetfulness of 
memory, the loss of spiritual intelligence, and losing spiritual intelligence, 
one perishes'.
  From: jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 12:50 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, Time to shut down FFL (Great Beyond 
Dispatch #2)
   
    


Both, Barry and Judy are no longer posting here. I also 
losing my inclination to post here.

Is it time for Rick to shut down FFL? Nothing lasts forever. 
All things must end.

If Barry were around he would have quoted Nietzsche.

Not only the wisdom of centuries --- also their madness 
breaketh out in us. Dangerous is it to be an heir.
  ~ Nietzsche



--- salyavin808@... wrote :


I must say I'm impressed at your patience with this bullshit Xeno. But perhaps 
it's time to point out the irony in what's happening. Here we have a bunch of 
people with not much to say about anything claiming that mean old Bawee 
stopped them from posting because he was such a mean old meanie.
And here they are pouring abuse on you in the same way they claim he used to 
get at them! I've said these people have no sense of awareness but isn't this 
taking it too far? I think that amoeba I posted about yesterday has a better 
grasp of what's going on than Ms Back for More.
Lets make a challenge out of it. If it was the Big Bad Wolf stopping 
conversations here then why haven't they started again? How come it's looking 
more like a teenage girl's facebook page every day?
If you were being prevented from posting, start posting. Start a thread, say 
something interesting, tell us something we didn't know, give us an insight 
into something - anything.But stop this dumb harassment of Xeno, you're just 
making yourself look stupid, he's got more to say than the rest of us put 
together. 
If you can't manage a whole thread you can share brain cells until you've 
thought of something. Better still, have a look back through the archives at 
some of Barry's pieces about creative writing. He posted some good essays on 
how to get started on the subject because, like me, he got fed up of the lack 
of participation and one line posts that add nothing that infest this place. 
But any appreciation of Barry's writing and contributions about archaeology, 
travel or history or even TV reviews would be a way of admitting that he made 
up a huge part of what was worth reading. Can't have that eh? Got to paint him 
bad and use him to blame your lack of meaningful participation on.
When was the last time Judy started a thread? Hell, when was the first time 
Judy started a thread!
Make an effort, stop the hypocritical bullshit or this place will drown in 
bland your pap.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug

2015-06-25 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
And (continuation of post #417750), the authfriend clone is the other one who 
always knows what others are thinking and why.
  From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:48 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :


From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
 
 
I am in disagreement with xeno's assertion that he (Barry) was just too clever 
in his arguments such that no one could offer an effective rebuttal.
I did not say Turq was too clever, I implied that those who could not provide 
an effective rebuttal could not find the right angle of attack or response. 
Generally if you are attacked and have an emotional response, your IQ drops 
because the fight or flight response tends to reallocate bodily resources away 
from the cerebral cortex. So the first thing one had to do to respond to Turq 
was not to get emotional about anything he said. You had to be neutral. That is 
just the first step, and that does not mean if you chill out, it will then 
work. It provides a platform from which to try various kinds of responses. To 
my mind, Turq was never upset when he posted, so he was in an optimum form to 
respond or not to respond what came back. If you have strong likes and dislikes 
when posting, that works against you when posting against Turq.
Trust me Xeno, you are imagining things if you don't think bawee has strong 
emotional responses to those he was responding to. He could not tolerate those 
who didn't suck up to him or support him. Every single person who took 
exception to his rantings and repetitive nonsense was an enemy in his brain and 
he disliked, intensely, many people at FFL including myself. He probably has 
stronger feelings about me than I do about him, in fact. For example, if you 
could see him reading this right now you would see the steam emanating from 
every orifice he possesses.
 
 








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug

2015-06-25 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Of course you did not say it. I was pretending I know what your are thinking 
and what you are feeling when you post something. Now when you post, what do 
you do?
  From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
   
    
I do not say this. But sometimes it's obvious what state of mind a poster is in.
salyavin was just demanding that Ann quit what he called her dumb harassment 
of Xeno. How about you quit your dumb harassment of me and other TM supporters?
Or is the idea to make up for Barry's absence by emulating his harassing 
behavior? You, salyavin, and Curtis seem to be working pretty hard at it, if 
not very coherently.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

Ah. The master projector oracle speaks. I know, she says, exactly what everyone 
is really thinking and why.
  From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

I would certainly have to agree with you, xeno.
The question is how, or why do you respond to someone who, for a great majority 
of the time, is just going for a reaction.
It is a total waste of time, for which I am guilty.
I agree that Barry was likely never upset when he posted.

I beg to differ with both of you. He was often incoherent with rage and 
completely out of control when he posted after someone had dissected one of his 
posts. You could count on it: he would very rarely respond directly to 
criticism, but a day or so later, he'd come out with one of his long posts 
attacking the critic on whatever grounds he could dream up.
All his bluster about folks being attached to the self was projection; he was 
as attached as anybody and much more attached than some.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] A Query, not the first line of a joke, or maybe it is?

2015-06-25 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I like this answer.
  From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Query, not the first line of a joke, or maybe 
it is?
   
 All gods are metaphors so they are all imaginary.
 
 On 06/25/2015 09:52 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
  


     How do you distinguish an imaginary god from a real one?    
 
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[FairfieldLife] A Query, not the first line of a joke, or maybe it is?

2015-06-25 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
How do you distinguish an imaginary god from a real one? 

[FairfieldLife] Ethics and Driverless Cars

2015-06-25 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Should a Driverless Car Decide Who Lives or Dies?

'Right now, ethicists have more questions than answers. Should rules governing 
autonomous vehicles emphasize the greater good -- the number of lives saved -- 
and put no value on the individuals involved?'

Should a Driverless Car Decide Who Lives or Dies?

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)

2015-06-24 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

  From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
   
    Reading your post about the warning signs soon after beginning TM - can you 
believe that when I first started I was so stupid I really believed that all 
the local TM teachers were enlightened???
I will try not to hold it against you, but if that was the case, I can overlook 
it. I was really interested in finding an easy meditation technique, so I was 
going to try it even before I heard a lecture, so I really did not listen that 
carefully, or care who or what taught me. It was like, teach me, and I'll see 
if it works. I had a very non-TM mindset when I learned, and it never 
completely went away.

 

 From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 3:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
   
    None of us are perfect, and there does seem to be a narrowing of one's 
focus on certain things as we move into older age. I wasn't on FFL in the early 
days, but sniping back and forth did seem to be increasing, it's basically a 
lower brain function. Maharishi seemed to be in much better form when he was 
younger too. Each conversation has two sides. I cannot see that those that 
opposed Turq so vociferously here really acted much better or more 
intelligently. I cannot see that the Peak with its absurd discussions of crop 
circles etc., is a Peak of intelligence. The goal, if you will, is to have the 
extremes of existence all functioning within that existence, not as separated 
things. 
So FFL is still the best bet to find a decent conversation, but there is a dark 
cloud of suppression overhead at the moment, and so far it has been what seems 
to be personally selective. It is the ideas and what you can learn from them, 
or make out of them, not the people that propose them that I find interesting. 
What you do not like, skip over or delete (if you interact by email). Perhaps 
all of us have had an idol that did not live up to the image we pretended to 
ourselves that they were. In the movement, even shortly after one started to 
get involved with TM, there were strange warning signs something was amiss, and 
we would ignore it. The main problem is human beings are never ever really a 
match for the ideals they create. Still, we can sometimes extract value out of 
a much-less-than-what-we-would-consider-ideal situation.
 

 From: jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 6:34 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
   
    

You know Xeno, about 14 years ago 'Uncle Tantra' was like a 
giant to me, battling the TM-mov't and other cults. As all 
three of us are basically on the same page philosophically, 
I did learn a lot from him.

But, as years of interaction showed he is not as perfect as 
I thought him to be.  I guess we all are human.  But, it's a 
fact that I learnt quite a number of valuable things from 
him.  

What I tried to explain is that his reaction when I was 
bounced, was almost brazen and callous. Some of his 
critiques about the TM-mov't a decade ago were well written 
and should be read by the people on the highest level in the 
mov't.  It seemed, he began to slowly deterioriate mentally 
as years rolled by.

Time is time, it eventually catches you, and you are 
history.

By the way, don't you think MJ should start the_abyss 
group.  The peak can be the north pole. The FairfieldLife 
the equator, and 'the abyss' the south pole.



--- anartaxius@... wrote :


Senility just means life is getting mellower. While it is true authfriend would 
root out various kinds of errors in what people wrote, she often did not see 
the forest for the trees, and did not expound much on what she actually knew 
about the subjects she was criticising were discussing. It was all dissection 
and no integration. If you go over Turq's posts for the last 10 years, you will 
find he also could provide clarity. Both Turq and authfriend tried made people 
look like idiots, and possibly some us were and still are.


--- jason_green2@... wrote :


Hey Xeno, it's me, moi, the old jedi_spock. Rick bounced me 
along with 'Dan firedman'.

I never got yahoo to interfere in the freedom of speech 
here. It was Dan who did it. Rick didn't give me an 
opportunity to explain my POV. A few days later Rick kindly 
reinstated me. Thanks to Curtis who put in a good word to 
Rick.

Looks like you too are becoming senile like Barry. It's 
these kind of errors that irritated authfriend.

Tell you what, you and me, along

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug

2015-06-24 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

  From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to come clean Doug
   
    
I am in disagreement with xeno's assertion that he (Barry) was just too clever 
in his arguments such that no one could offer an effective rebuttal.
I did not say Turq was too clever, I implied that those who could not provide 
an effective rebuttal could not find the right angle of attack or response. 
Generally if you are attacked and have an emotional response, your IQ drops 
because the fight or flight response tends to reallocate bodily resources away 
from the cerebral cortex. So the first thing one had to do to respond to Turq 
was not to get emotional about anything he said. You had to be neutral. That is 
just the first step, and that does not mean if you chill out, it will then 
work. It provides a platform from which to try various kinds of responses. To 
my mind, Turq was never upset when he posted, so he was in an optimum form to 
respond or not to respond what came back. If you have strong likes and dislikes 
when posting, that works against you when posting against Turq.
 
 






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)

2015-06-24 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

  From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:58 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch 
#2)---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :---In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :---In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :


So FFL is still the best bet to find a decent conversation,
What, on the whole internet? I realize you don't get out much but this is 
rather far fetched.
I am talking about spiritual groups related to TM
Xeno, until we removed the biggest impediment to a real conversation this place 
was being relentlessly moderated by that impediment. No one was exempt from his 
malicious and twisted lies and false allegations, not to mention bone-headed 
conclusions, except those who agreed with and stroked his ego. For you to 
assert that FFL, of all places, was the best place to find a decent 
conversation, is perverse if not simply bizarre.
It is the ideas and what you can learn from them, or make out of them, not the 
people that propose them that I find interesting. What you do not like, skip 
over or delete (if you interact by email). Perhaps all of us have had an idol 
that did not live up to the image we pretended to ourselves that they were. In 
the movement, even shortly after one started to get involved with TM, there 
were strange warning signs something was amiss, and we would ignore it. The 
main problem is human beings are never ever really a match for the ideals they 
create. Still, we can sometimes extract value out of a 
much-less-than-what-we-would-consider-ideal situation.

Funny, I wrote a post about this very thing to MJ. The big difference was I 
made it personal, I used I a lot whereas you tend to keep things in the 
abstract. Dry and brittle, a tad pedantic; I'm hoping you weren't a teacher or 
professor in your working days - the class would have been on snooze fer sure. 
Sorry, but it's true.
No, I was not a teacher or a professor, so no one had to fall asleep on my 
account. I used to live next to a professor of engineering. He would come over 
and talk for hours in a monotone. Most of the time, in 'person' I don't talk 
that much. As for an 'I', you think you are a person. Too bad, what a loss.

Ho, ho, hee, hee, snort. That is fucking hilarious!! And thank you for that. 
You have seriously missed the boat, lost the thread, stumbled off the platform. 
There is no loss Xeno, you evidently misunderstood something when you became 
enlightened or read the wrong book or misinterpreted some sage. There is no 
too bad for living amid personhood. I can vouch for that. Whatever you have 
lost, you need to find it again, and soon before you leave that body of yours.
It's all in the eye of the beholder, and it's 'eye', not eyes. POVs are not 
interchangeable. I have not lost anything that is real. I lost a lot of other 
stuff though. I could lose some more; it is a waste of time to seek what cannot 
be found.
  
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)

2015-06-24 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
None of us are perfect, and there does seem to be a narrowing of one's focus on 
certain things as we move into older age. I wasn't on FFL in the early days, 
but sniping back and forth did seem to be increasing, it's basically a lower 
brain function. Maharishi seemed to be in much better form when he was younger 
too. Each conversation has two sides. I cannot see that those that opposed Turq 
so vociferously here really acted much better or more intelligently. I cannot 
see that the Peak with its absurd discussions of crop circles etc., is a Peak 
of intelligence. The goal, if you will, is to have the extremes of existence 
all functioning within that existence, not as separated things. 
So FFL is still the best bet to find a decent conversation, but there is a dark 
cloud of suppression overhead at the moment, and so far it has been what seems 
to be personally selective. It is the ideas and what you can learn from them, 
or make out of them, not the people that propose them that I find interesting. 
What you do not like, skip over or delete (if you interact by email). Perhaps 
all of us have had an idol that did not live up to the image we pretended to 
ourselves that they were. In the movement, even shortly after one started to 
get involved with TM, there were strange warning signs something was amiss, and 
we would ignore it. The main problem is human beings are never ever really a 
match for the ideals they create. Still, we can sometimes extract value out of 
a much-less-than-what-we-would-consider-ideal situation.
  From: jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 6:34 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
   
    

You know Xeno, about 14 years ago 'Uncle Tantra' was like a 
giant to me, battling the TM-mov't and other cults. As all 
three of us are basically on the same page philosophically, 
I did learn a lot from him.

But, as years of interaction showed he is not as perfect as 
I thought him to be.  I guess we all are human.  But, it's a 
fact that I learnt quite a number of valuable things from 
him.  

What I tried to explain is that his reaction when I was 
bounced, was almost brazen and callous. Some of his 
critiques about the TM-mov't a decade ago were well written 
and should be read by the people on the highest level in the 
mov't.  It seemed, he began to slowly deterioriate mentally 
as years rolled by.

Time is time, it eventually catches you, and you are 
history.

By the way, don't you think MJ should start the_abyss 
group.  The peak can be the north pole. The FairfieldLife 
the equator, and 'the abyss' the south pole.



--- anartaxius@... wrote :


Senility just means life is getting mellower. While it is true authfriend would 
root out various kinds of errors in what people wrote, she often did not see 
the forest for the trees, and did not expound much on what she actually knew 
about the subjects she was criticising were discussing. It was all dissection 
and no integration. If you go over Turq's posts for the last 10 years, you will 
find he also could provide clarity. Both Turq and authfriend tried made people 
look like idiots, and possibly some us were and still are.


--- jason_green2@... wrote :


Hey Xeno, it's me, moi, the old jedi_spock. Rick bounced me 
along with 'Dan firedman'.

I never got yahoo to interfere in the freedom of speech 
here. It was Dan who did it. Rick didn't give me an 
opportunity to explain my POV. A few days later Rick kindly 
reinstated me. Thanks to Curtis who put in a good word to 
Rick.

Looks like you too are becoming senile like Barry. It's 
these kind of errors that irritated authfriend.

Tell you what, you and me, along with Salyavin, MJ, Curtis 
move over to the abyss.  Let 'the abyss' be the mirror of 
fairfieldlife.

Hell, I wish someone like gullible fool comes back and 
takes over the moderatership from Buck.

Barry's posts were never designed to give people clarity. 
Barry's posts were designed to hurt people at the tender 
feeling level and make them look like idiots. There was a 
sadistic streak in his posts that befuddled people.



--- anartaxius@... wrote :

No, he doesn't appear to be a psychopath. If anything, I am closer to being one 
than him. His career path, and the people he lives with probably would not have 
worked out that way if he were a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to be 
ingratiating, they have an ability to make you like them. Turq does not seem to 
have that ability to create a fake, loving façade that will fool most people, 
if anything, he is the opposite, an acquired taste that many here cannot 
stomach. You were trying to get Yahoo to interfere with freedom of speech here, 
and Rick did not care for such a threat. But now of course, freedom of speech 
is curtailed, just in another direction, a bit more in the direction of 
insanty, as he gave moderation to the one here

[FairfieldLife] A Final Last Message?

2015-06-23 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
_
I received a rather cryptic message from TurquoiseBee, in which he merely 
mentioned as possibly a 'last message' and all it is is a link to a video. I 
normally don't watch videos because they take too much time. I think he is 
using the song in this video to communicate a message; he had nothing to say 
personally, so whatever he wants to say seems to be embedded in either the 
visuals or the lyrics here.
True Detective Season 2: Opening Credits Episode #1 (HBO)


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Everything is Information

2015-06-23 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

  From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 3:43 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Everything is Information
   
    Xeno,
No. The point is that the universe functions as information in a virtual 
reality.  It also means that Consciousness or the unified field is the main 
computer (the CPU) that runs this virtual reality.  Logic would tell you that 
this virtual reality or information can't create itself.  It has to be created 
by Somebody, which is Consciousness.
How do you get from 'unified field' to 'consciousness' to 'somebody', all with 
capital starting letters? 'Unified field' in science is a physical construct. 
Logic can only process what you know, it doesn't tell you anything unless you 
plug in values. You are surmising that virtual reality or information must have 
some sort of creation process behind them. Why does it have to be a somebody? 
Consciousness is not a somebody. 
As the creator, it is only logical that Consciousness is the source of 
everything.  As such, It has the quality of the Observer, the Process of 
Observing, and the Observed.  Why?  Because there is nobody else present.  It 
is the Prime Mover.  IOW, It attains the dynamic nature of the unified field, 
the samhita of the Rishi-Devata-Chandas.
We know things because we are conscious, but that is far cry from it being the 
source of everything. If a light shines on an object in a dark room, then the 
object becomes visible, but one has to assume that the light and room and the 
object already existed, and the fact the light made us see it does not mean the 
light created the object.

Most scientists are still trapped in the objective universe paradigm.  That's 
why they have an adverse reaction to the possibility that the universe is run 
by a subjective reality, Consciousness or the Unified Field.
I do not know why people always say this. Science is the objective universe 
paradigm. Scientists are not trapped in it. It is the modus operandi of 
science. A scientist can investigate an autombile crash because the automobile 
is objective. Now if the automobile crash were subjective, in subjective space, 
and no physical automobile were present, how would they proceed to investigate 
the crash?
The observer, observed, and process of observing illustration is to give 
temporary meaning to certain experiences people might have if they are seeking 
enlightenment. It is in fact also how science works, there is an observer, a 
scientist or a machine recording data about an event (like the LHC at CERN), 
there is what is observed, and the process of observations takes place in time 
from the beginning to the end of the observation.
As far a consciousness is concerned it makes experience possible, but whether 
it is active or passive in that observation is another question. A nervous 
system seems to be required. And machines make observations and then we, with 
our consciousness observe what the machines recorded, but we don't know if the 
machine is conscious. If they are not then an observation might take place and 
yet that observation would remain forever unknown.
The thing about unity as a spiritual phenomenon is consciousness and the 
physical world are not distinct, they are as distinct as they are in ordinary 
waking consciousness. It is only on the spiritual path that consciousness and 
the physical objective world seem to be different from one another. As you are 
speaking here of M's Hindu philosophy, I again re-quote for you from Vasistha, 
considered one of the greatest of Indian sages: 'But all this talk about who 
created this world and how it was created is intended only for the purpose of 
composing scriptures and expounding them: it is not based on truth... 
Descriptions of creation, etc., are given in the scriptures for the purpose of 
instructing disciples: do not let your mind be coloured by them. When you 
realise that which is indicated by the words, then naturally you will abandon 
the jugglery of words. In the infinite consciousness itself there is neither an 
intention nor the veil of delusion. But, that itself is before you as the 
world'.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

Interesting. So this means that information rather than consciousness is the 
basis of the universe and our experience, that consciousness is an emergent 
property of information? Scientists would love this because it makes 
consciousness amenable to developing equations to explain its existence.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

Xeno, 
Please, read my recent post to Salyavin regarding this thread.  We've talked 
about this Information theory the other day.  So, I believe it has some merit.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :

The universe is a virtual reality.  The main computer is Consciousness

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great Beyond Dispatch #2

2015-06-23 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
No, he doesn't appear to be a psychopath. If anything, I am closer to being one 
than him. His career path, and the people he lives with probably would not have 
worked out that way if he were a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to be 
ingratiating, they have an ability to make you like them. Turq does not seem to 
have that ability to create a fake, loving façade that will fool most people, 
if anything, he is the opposite, an acquired taste that many here cannot 
stomach. You were trying to get Yahoo to interfere with freedom of speech here, 
and Rick did not care for such a threat. But now of course, freedom of speech 
is curtailed, just in another direction, a bit more in the direction of 
insanty, as he gave moderation to the one here most infected with religion. 
Religious people tend not to enjoy free speech when it comes to their sacred 
cows. I think all people who believe in a religion are insane, so apparently 
you would fall into that category. But it is a limited insanity. For example, 
you might know how to make a good cup of coffee, and know precisely how to 
proceed to accomplish that and have other skills. But the human mind comes to a 
strange disconnect when it comes to religious beliefs. It is felt they must be 
protected and that somehow they are different from other beliefs. But all 
beliefs have one characteristic, they are a pretence to knowledge which one 
does not really have, and religious beliefs tend to be programmed into the mind 
at an early age where the mind is very plastic and vulnerable and gullible. It 
is a form of conditioning that results in a mechanical response to certain 
kinds of input later in life. A spiritual life is one in which those 
conditioned beliefs are unwound and are replaced by something you would never 
in a million years expect.
  From: jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 2:03 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great Beyond Dispatch #2
   
    


Too bad things ended this way for 'uncle tantra'. He is a 
high calibre intellectual, but unfortunately a horrendous 
psychopath. As Judy pointed out, he is so focussed on 
displaying his dazzling language skills that he loses 
objectivity.

This is what he said when I got bounced by Rick,

So IMO during this latest kerfuffle Jedi was just being an 
annoying Internet troll by trolling religious fanatic Jews. 
Dan, on the other hand, was trying to be a dictatorial 
bastard by trying to threaten Rick for not silencing him. 
Jedi was merely willing to diss religious fanatics. Dan was 
being *such* a dictatorial bastard that he was willing to 
try to get Yahoo to censure Fairfield Life or take it down 
because people on it were saying some things he didn't like. 
*That*, I am pretty sure, is what pushed Rick to act. In his 
own sick, twisted way, Dan was trying to do exactly the same 
thing that other asshole from the past was doing when he 
posted porn to FFL and then reported it to Yahoo, again in 
an attempt to get it taken down, and again for the same 
reason -- he didn't like what some people were saying about 
things he was attached to.

Jedi was merely expressing his opinion, no matter how 
crudely or stupidly. Dan was trying to force other people to 
do what *he* wanted them to do. Given a choice, I'd rather 
live with foul-mouthed critics like Jedi than live with the 
insane people like Dan. But Rick made the wisdom of 
Solomon choice and got rid of BOTH of them. Win-win. 
Congratulations, Rick.
399695

Agreed. Very Solomon-like, getting rid of both the 
12-year-old and the whiner. I don't auto delete jedi's 
posts, just nuke them at the first glimpse of crazy, which 
is much of the time. Dan, however, has been on my DNR list 
since he reappeared, but he *still* required maintenance, 
just to empty the folder collecting his posts. It's been 
like living alone but having to flush the toilet 100 times a 
day to get rid of someone else's shit. Good riddance.
399571


--- anartaxius@... wrote :

How come so many are talking about Turq? It seems he is still very much with us 
here, in spite of the cadre that wanted him removed. And note that when one 'R' 
was talked about after having been canned, he came back courtesy of Rick. And 
we still do not know the offence Turq was canned for, a total lack of 
transparency is still operational here by the head of the Fairfield 
Inquisition. What you wrote here is about equal to anything Turq ever wrote on 
this group, as far as content and tone, so his removal is all the more 
inexplicable. TurquoiseBee's alleged 'badness' really has counterparts among 
other members of this group, including those that ran to the Peak. Since I last 
cleared my email, there are practically no posts on the Peak. It seems as if 
the cowards there are returning here. An overpopulation of wussies spells ill 
for the quality of content on FFL. The problem with Turq was there were few who

Re: [FairfieldLife] What is a single thought?

2015-06-22 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Nice post. You might be interested in some Taoist benchmarks concerning 
enlightenment:
Normal State — Wandering mind. Some will often have 3-6 (or more) 
threads/dialogs of thought jumping around.Temporary One Thread — In meditation, 
one quiets to one focused thread (as in mantra or concentration). At this 
state, one may begin to notice energy (if looking for it).Temporary Quiet Mind 
— One can begin to see/trace thoughts.Stable Quiet Meditation — One can 
perceive the nature/energy of mind. Can perceive astral experiences.Expansion 
of Quiet Mind to Normal Life — One begins to see themselves doing things. An 
example is seeing yourself getting angry, but can't stop yourself.Quiet Mind in 
Life — Usually only one thread going, sometimes no threads. Can see and stop 
yourself from getting angry.Calm Mind — No real thoughts unless there is 
something to do/decide. Meditation and life are the same. Often described as 
nothingness. Many stop here and declare victory.Noticing Oneness — Something 
tickles the calm mind. Curiosity returns. Begin to break beyond the local 
body-mind.See Oneness — Feels like every soul is inside you. Begin integration 
with existence.Oneness — Can feel everyone and everything.Oneness beyond time — 
Can perceive parallel realities and beyond time.Primordial State — Integration 
with God/Existence/Emptiness (depending on your perspective).


  From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 3:28 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] What is a single thought?
   
    I once heard Maharishi Mahesh Yogi say, .and they don't even know what 
a thought is.

At the time, we all felt so smug, but 40 years later, I'm wondering if FFL 
could possibly agree on a definition.

I maintained that I have 5 thoughts per second.  My definition of thought is a 
complete concept.

Using this definition, I note that when I count as fast as I can, mentally, I 
can get up to five before the second hand clicks to the next second.

Each number is clearly heard in my mind rather than it being kind of slurringly 
said process.

You?

Here's the rub:  obviously the brain/body is processing actual millions of 
inputs, and most of the material is ignored.  Proof being that YOUR elbow 
just now that I mention it is found to be sending you messages about its 
position, pressures on it, clothing rubbing sensations etc.  This information 
is broadcast 24/7 to you, but almost never gets to the front burner of 
consciousness.  
Clearly 5 thoughts per second is a relative concept.

Never-the-less, I like to offer it as a starter concept about thought.  If one 
CAN have conscious awareness of five thoughts per second, then the concept of 
cherry picking comes to my fore.  Seems to me that all of us are cherry 
picking which of our thoughts to attend and which to ignore, but this picking 
is automated and usually not a conscious choice.  

Seems to me, enlightenment is a kind of surrendering to this vastness of 
processing -- it being a perfect example of karma is unfathomable and so just 
relax and let it all happen.

Q:   Can there be awareness without an object of awareness?

Nisargadatta:  Awareness with an object we called witnessing. When there is 
also self-identification with the object, caused by desire or fear, such a 
state is called a person. In reality there is only one state; when distorted by 
self-identification it is called a person, when coloured with the sense of 
being, it is the witness; when colourless and limitless, it is called the 
Supreme.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The birth of computer consciousness?

2015-06-20 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
First of all the idea 'heart chakra' has to be discovered as a physical 
construct rather than being conceived as a metaphysical imaginary entity. What 
is missing so far in artificial intelligence is awareness. What is 
consciousness that a computer could be conscious? One of the scientific 
theories of consciousness (integrated information theory) indicates that simple 
neural nets could be conscious but a complex one might not be. This would mean 
consciousness is an emergent phenomenon. Some other theories (the unprovable 
ones) postulate panpsychism, the view that consciousness, mind or psyche is a 
universal feature of all things, and the primordial feature from which all 
other characteristics are derived. This is the basic idea in the Upanishads, 
Taoism, and Zen. Panpsychism takes the idea of gods or god and diffuses it, 
completely abstracting it, de-anthropomorphising it, removing the intentional 
stance as impetus for action, de-entifying it entirely. It basically makes 
consciousness disappear by making it what everything is. In this case, 
supposing that were true, any computer given sensory hardware would be 
conscious, but not necessarily self-aware, which would require a particular 
topology of the neural net.
In speaking of the heart, we could consider psychopaths, which are often 
engaging, seemingly caring people, but inside they have zero compassion, zero 
empathy. A computer neural net could be programmed, or even taught, to give the 
appearance and behaviour of emotional warmth without actually having it. On the 
other hand, would that programming actually result in it having heart? An 
actor, or a psychopath can fake having heart, so perhaps it would depend on how 
many layers devoted to the feature exist in the neural net, how deep it really 
went.
In mixing computer science and physics with ideas like 'heart chakra' you have 
to provide real demonstrable confirmation of the existence of this feature, not 
just postulate it is there because someone planted the idea in your mind. I 
have heard the idea for over 40 years, but don't know if it is real, and I 
suspect there are much better explanation for human emotional behaviour and 
feeling than this insubstantial concept.
  From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 11:01 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The birth of computer consciousness?
   
    Yep, that is interesting speculation. Butcan they make a heart chakra and 
its field affect for a computer? This entraining of computers theytalk about 
with layers of stacked layers sounds a lot like methodwithin training of field 
dogs for coordinated hunting with humans orstarting horses and bringing them 
along as working horses or ridinghorses with humans. What seems is yet missing 
in this artificialintelligence is the operation of a heart chakra by experience.
“..We train an artificial neural network by showing it millions of training 
examples and gradually adjusting the network parameters until it gives the 
classifications we want.”
Oneof the challenges of neural networks is understanding what exactlygoes on 
at each layer. We know that after training, each layerprogressively extracts 
higher and higher-level features of the image,until the final layer essentially 
makes a decision on what the imageshows. For example, the first layer maybe 
looks for edges or corners.Intermediate layers interpret the basic features to 
look for overallshapes or components, like a door or a leaf. The final few 
layersassemble those into complete interpretations—these neurons activatein 
response to very complex things such as entire buildings or trees.
Working with a heart chakra, by contrast..

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum for me?

2015-06-20 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Buck, what were your reasons for removing Turq from the group? I know there 
have been many complaints about him from spiritual cretins as to why they 
wanted him removed, but you have been silent about it, even though you seemed 
vocal about it in a general way prior to being appointed moderator. I am 
interested in the mind of our moderator. As you performed the action of 
blocking him, what were you feeling? He had, after all, been on your case for 
years.
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum for me?

2015-06-20 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
. Of course where spiritual ideas are concerned, flesh and 
blood interaction in real life tends to spread the flesh and blood all over the 
battlefield, but it's not personal, it is for the glory of god, or whatever.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

Getting your buttons hammered is a test of equanimity, which fails miserably 
with many, many meditators. Tuquoiseb was pretty intense this way, but also 
posted well reasoned posts and other interesting things. He was not a one note 
guy. I found authfriend just as annoying eventually as I did Turq in the 
beginning. Unlike the irrelevant posts of 'R' and the rather insanely abusive 
posts of another 'R' a few years ago. In fact those two 'Rs' were the only ones 
I would have removed from FFL myself were I in control. There was a third 'R' 
whom I found rather creepy, but he had reasoned if sometimes devious 
argumentation, so even though I did not care for him, I would not have removed 
him because I disagreed with him. Turq provided a strong pole for the 
non-theistic path of spirituality, and I miss the authfriend/turq battles of 
the past. Intellectually Turq is far more well rounded than our farmer turned 
tyrant, who I feel does not have the mental flexibility to deal with strong 
contrary views. His own posting has been spammy in mostly non-interactive, and 
until now, mostly a complaint.
We should note that personal attacks also do not necessarily involve profanity 
and can take on a much more subtle quality, and in this light everyone one here 
has engaged in that in my observation. It is very easy to slip from arguing 
against an idea and aiming at the person. Our moderator seems to have had a 
personal enmity against Turq and others opposed to his medieval religious 
persona. I for one vote for removing him as moderator.
Also not all personal attacks here are gratuitous. What do you say if you are 
arguing against a point you regard as stupid? That implies the person holding 
that view is also stupid because they are holding it. And the converse is true, 
the person hold that stupid belief thinks it is true and holds the other in 
contempt for disagreeing, thinking it is stupid. Likes and dislikes have 
nothing to do with truth. Truth transcends even the gods, or however many you 
are pretending there are (the range is 0 or more).
If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they 
do not want to hear.—George Orwell
If freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like 
sheep to the slaughter. —George Washington
Freedom of speech does not protect you from the consequences of saying stupid 
shit.—Jim C. Hines
Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of 
opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of 
increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all 
its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear.—Harry S. Truman
My own opinion is enough for me, and I claim the right to have it defended 
against any consensus, any majority, anywhere, any place, any time. And anyone 
who disagrees with this can pick a number, get in line, and kiss my 
ass.—Christopher Hitchens
I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the 
people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent 
and sudden usurpations.—James Madison
Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to 
conscience, above all liberties.—John Milton
Because if you don't stand up for the stuff you don't like, when they come for 
the stuff you do like, you've already lost.—Neil Gaiman
If there's one American belief I hold above all others, it's that those who 
would set themselves up in judgment on matters of what is right and what is 
best should be given no rest; that they should have to defend their behavior 
most stringently. ... As a nation, we've been through too many fights to 
preserve our rights of free thought to let them go just because some prude with 
a highlighter doesn't approve of them.—Stephen King
Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all 
subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us 
 The framers of the constitution knew human nature as well as we do. They too 
had lived in dangerous days; they too knew the suffocating influence of 
orthodoxy and standardized thought. They weighed the compulsions for restrained 
speech and thought against the abuses of liberty. They chose liberty.—William 
O. Douglas
Most people do not really want others to have freedom of speech, they just want 
others to be given the freedom to say want they want to hear. —Mokokoma 
Mokhonoana
Religion grants its adherents malign, intoxicating and morally corrosive 
sensations. Destroying intellectual freedom is always evil, but only religion 
makes doing evil feel quite so good. —Philip Pullman
It is the rare fortune

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why Does Time Exist?

2015-06-20 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

  From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:41 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Why Does Time Exist?
   
    Sean Carroll, a physicist, discusses the various aspects of time but does 
not cover the various theories of the Big Bang.  He did not talk about the 
unified field or the quantum wave function which was the source of the Big 
Bang.IMO, the fact that the universe is expanding to eternity means that the 
universe came out of eternity, through the quantum wave function.In the Big 
Bang theory, if space were negatively curved, the universe would expand, as a 
measure of time, eternally, but that does not say anything about where it came 
from or what it came from, or in fact if it came at all. The beginning, as a 
function of quantum mechanical ideas might be a quantum fluctuation, but did 
any quantum field exist before the universe began. But before it began, or even 
at the beginning there would be no quantum wave function, which requires there 
be particles, but no particles exist in that highly compressed state at the Big 
Bang. A wave function in quantum mechanics describes the quantum state of an 
isolated system of one or more particles.Exactly what does 'coming out of 
eternity' mean in your scenario. Is the eternity the universe comes out of time 
based? Because without space-time, there is no time. Whereas the universe 
expanding to eternity takes, in terms of time, forever, and that is 
time-based.Sean Carroll: Why Does Time Exist?
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Experimenting

2015-06-20 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

  From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:44 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Experimenting
   
    I've been away for a while and thought it might be interesting to test the 
waters here now that the dynamic is altered. It might just end up being the 
same old, same old but, being an optimist, I'm going to give it a shot. 
Hello FFL.
If you  remove the o from your greeting, that might give you an indication 
of the temperature of the waters. I was watching a program about wolves 
recently. It seems when wolves are removed from the ecosystem, the system 
becomes more unhealthy. The sick and weak animals proliferate and the health of 
the herds deteriorates. That does not imply you are sick and weak, but having 
run off, there are questions that may be asked, of all those who might be 
reversing their departures. When a lot of prey is reintroduced to an area, one 
wonders what might subsequently return.Experimental subjects are always welcome 
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[FairfieldLife] Dark Medieval Consciousness

2015-06-19 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
It would appear a dark, medieval consciousness is beginning to take over 
Fairfield Life, in the likeness of the Transcendental Meditation Organisation's 
tyrannical manner.
Medieval
1. of or relating to the Middle Ages.

2. Informal, very old-fashioned or primitive.
Synonyms:  antique  archaic  feudal  Gothic  primitive  antediluvian  
antiquated  old  old-fashioned  unenlightened  antiquated  out of date  
outdated  outmoded  anachronistic  passé  obsolete  horse-and-buggy
Tyranny
3. cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary use of power or control.

Synonyms:  authoritarianism  autocracy   coercion   cruelty   despotism   
domination   oligarchy   oppression   terrorism   totalitarianism   absolutism  
 fascism   high-handedness   imperiousness   monocracy   severity   totality   
peremptoriness   reign   of   terror   unreasonableness
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy

2015-06-17 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I like Lynch's films too. They are dark for the most part, and in the view of 
people I watched them with, sick. He seems to have a preference for head 
injuries. My favourite is still his first major foray, Eraserhead. Although I 
suspect the non-linear character of many of them lead some to consider him a 
genius because they cannot understand them. It is those short scenes of human 
behaviour that display a strange deviant creepiness that I find intriguing, 
such as feeding the mutan kid in Eraserhead, or that guy in Muholland Drive 
dumping his trollop wife's jewellery into paint cans and massaging them with 
his hands to get revenge. That his films contain scenes most people I know 
would rather not experience does not necessarily mean he is sick, but I am sure 
it makes a lot of people wonder about him, because such thoughts do not occur 
to them, or if they do, they edit them out of their minds, especially in 
conversation so they appear nice and normal.
  From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 1:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy
   
 I like Lynch's films.  I also being in the arts myself know how some 
artists think and Lynch has found TM useful and doesn't want to be bothered 
doing anything else.  I'm sure some of his artist friends have told him there 
are better things out there but he doesn't care, he just wants to get on with 
his art.  OTOH, I've known MUM Vedic Studies grads who like to explore other 
paths too.
 
 But I hear that all seasons of the Andy Griffith Show are available on Netflix 
if that suits you.  :-D 
 
 On 06/17/2015 02:52 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
  


    For whatever my opinion is worth, I would slur and revile Lynch to a 
fair-thee-well. He is obviously a hypocrite which puts him in good company 
since most of the TM leadership I ever had dealings with were too, and he is 
the purveyor of a way to save the world while adding to  its degradation with 
his awful twisted schlock. 
  
  From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 4:27 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy
   
    David Lynch is a public figure in the TM movement, and worldwide. He is 
not part of the FFL Yahoo group. He is in a different category than members of 
this group. Criticism of Lynch as a  public figure is fair game on-line and in 
the press as long as it is not libel. I feel this is NOT a violation of Yahoo 
group guidelines and you are overstepping your authority. I find it  incredibly 
difficult to find any message even a couple of days old. Neo has made it very 
difficult to locate past messages. However, I did find that post. You have got 
to be kidding  'dhamiltonyk5'. 
  I believe I know someone who went on that course. That person did not get  
enlightened. I think that person is very gullible, based on considerations 
other than that person having gone on that course. Saying someone is gullible 
is a mere opinion, but it is something that could be backed up with evidence. 
Gullible: easily persuaded to believe something; credulous, naive, 
over-trusting, over-trustful, easily deceived, easily taken in,  exploitable, 
dupable, impressionable, unsuspecting, un-suspicious, unwary, ingenuous, 
innocent, inexperienced, unworldly, green; 
  Furthermore, it was not a non sequitur, 'TurquoiseBee' was responding to a 
similar event of gullibility, providing what he  thought was another example of 
the same, so it was germane to the conversation. 
  We have all been taken in by something in our lives. There are a lot of us  
who feel that the TMO has taken advantage of people's inexperience in certain 
areas of life, and that  as a spiritual movement, it and those supporting it 
have in some ways gone off track. 
  And if you have ever watched all of David Lynch's work, he is a pretty weird 
guy by most normal person standards. 
  And that post was over 10 days ago. A moderator is supposed to be doing this 
more or less in real time, dealing with current 'offences', like the broadcast 
loop delay on  live broadcasts a moderator can delete certain words in almost 
real time. This example is more like the Inquisition looking for someone as a 
scapegoat. 
  I think anyone who took a course for a fee like that is out of their mind. 
Even worse than gullible. Unless they are thinking of it as a conscious 
donation to a cause they believe is  real, it seems to lack judgement.   
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
 
  Additionally, “Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in  
Groups.” “..and don't invade other people's privacy.” The dragging of someone 
in to an unrelated thread as a means to slur  them using FFL, a yahoo-group.. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy

2015-06-17 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
That was helpful, I do not think I ever noticed that. But when I am using 
e-mail it is a bit more difficult as there is no box. Usually a post number is 
not mentioned. That the word message# is in grey reduces its visibility. Part 
of ergonomic software design is to test a population of typical users and give 
them a task and see if they can complete it. Often software designers discover 
what seemed obvious to them was in effect, invisible to the typical user, in 
which case, if there is time, they make a change. On the other hand the Search 
bar at the top is rather prominent. A good design would allow the typing 
'message #xx' in that box and would come up with results, but that does not 
work unless the message# is in the message itself. If not it returns posts with 
the word message in them. So the software has the search routines split into 
two separate functions. I see the date functions in Advanced Search now do not 
give error messages, but with my browser, still do not return a date range. I 
am not usually interested in past posts so I do not use the search functions 
that often.
  From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:30 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy
   
    Just popping back in quickly with a helpful note:
It's absurdly easy to find a post via the Website when you have the post 
number, which was provided by the moderator in this case. Just go to the 
Message View page. At the top, under the banner photo to the right, is a box 
labeled Message #, with a magnifying glass icon. Type the post number in the 
box. Hit Return. Voila!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

[...] I find it incredibly difficult to find any message even a couple of days 
old. Neo has made it very difficult to locate past messages.[...]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

[...] Now in a choice of moderation Turqb can go back in and delete this 
posting of his post haste and protect his membership status here or will this 
be left to the FFL moderators to go in and do it? The choice is Turq's. 
-JaiGuruYou
reference:  FFL# 416332 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy

2015-06-17 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Thanks for that too.
  From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 3:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy
   
 Message numbers are embedded in the headers emails from Yahoo Groups. It 
is the second part of the Newman-Id:
 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 3920196-m417027 417027 is the message number for your post 
below.  Not sure if that helps any but that's where it's given in the message 
header.
 
 On 06/17/2015 07:34 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
  


     That was helpful, I do not think I ever noticed that. But when I am using 
e-mail it is a bit more difficult as there is no box. Usually a post number is 
not mentioned. That the word message# is in grey reduces its visibility. Part 
of ergonomic software design is to test a population of typical users and give 
them a task and see if they can complete it. Often software designers discover 
what seemed obvious to them was in effect, invisible to the  typical user, in 
which case, if there is time, they make a change. On the other hand the Search 
bar at the top is rather prominent. A good design would allow the typing 
'message #xx' in that box and would come up with results, but that does not 
work  unless the message# is in the message itself. If not it returns posts 
with the word message in them. So the software has the search routines split 
into two separate functions. I see the date functions in Advanced Search now do 
not give error messages, but  with my browser, still do not return a date 
range. I am not usually interested in past posts so I do not use the search 
functions that often. 
  From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:30 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Gratuitous invasions of privacy
   
    Just popping back in quickly with a helpful note: 
  It's absurdly easy to find a post via the Website when you have the post 
number,  which was provided by the moderator in this case. Just go to the 
Message View page. At the top, under the banner photo to the right, is a box 
labeled Message #, with a magnifying glass icon. Type the post number in the 
box. Hit Return. Voila! 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
 
 [...] I find it incredibly difficult to find any message even a couple  of 
days old. Neo has made it very difficult to locate past messages.[...] 
   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
 
  [...] Now in a choice of moderation Turqb can go back in and delete this 
posting of his post haste and protect his membership status here or  will this 
be left to the FFL moderators to go in and do it? The choice is Turq's. 
-JaiGuruYou 
  reference:  FFL# 416332   

 
   
 
   
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] On Gratuitous invasions of privacy

2015-06-17 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Note that 'Buck' does not appear in the data Yahoo now posts on the group, nor 
does it appear in the e-mail. And what do we do if someone's real name is part 
or the whole of their e-mail address, or if the person signs off with their 
real name somewhere in the e-mail and does not care, and we respond to that? 
What if we repost an older post and the person's real name was in that? Buck is 
a nickname, but I assume others might use it where you live. I sometimes use 
the full e-mail address name, but not the company name (yahoogroups.com for 
example). What if a person wants to use their real name, are they prohibited? 
Please clarify.
Summary of this message   
   - person's real name in e-mail address   

   - person wants to use real name   

   - person wants to use a nickname that people in real life call him/her by   

   - person's real name appears in older posts   

   - person doesn't care if real name is used
   - person's real name is posted by person somewhere in e-mail (deliberately)  
 


Sincerely,
Xenophaneros Anartaxius  From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 5:00 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] On Gratuitous invasions of privacy
   
    “ ..anddon't invade other people's privacy.”
Ingoing forward in accord with Rick's original intent for protectingprivacy on 
FFL know that in responding [replying] to posts made onFFL an unsolicited use 
of someone's legal name on FFL is an invasionof privacy as it also is 
considered a violation of the yahoo-groupsguidelines here. Expect to have your 
writing removed from FFL. Expect to have your posts moderated. Expect to have 
your membershiprevoked if such invasion of people's privacy continues either as 
byimpulse without intent or with meditated intent to abuse someone byinvasion 
of privacy as used in method. 
Forinstance, as people signing on to FFL do post and people do respondwith 
replies then for example in reply: 'Turqb isTurqb', 'Fleetwoodis Fleetwood', 
'CDB is CDB', 'Serious is Serious', 'Buck is Buck', 'Nablusoss is Nablusoss', 
and 'Authfriend is Authfriend'. Whatevertheir legal names in life may be, now 
going forward you shall bemoderate in this as Rick originally intended. Show 
self-restraintand respect for other people's privacy here. Simple. That is part 
ofthe communal collaboration asked for in making this a particularfree-speech 
zone as it was hoped for. Have a nice day, -JaiGuruYou

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote :

Thanks A., good to know. In going forward with moderation on FFL, protection of 
privacy has always been a mainstay feature of FFL as Rick's free speech list. 
This feature of protection has been under siege and fallen to a form of a 
disrespect used by some writers on FFL. Everyone take this as a warning right 
now going forward: where someone posting to the list uses an anonymous screen 
name it is quite proper form on FFL as a yahoo-group to respond to posts using 
a person's screen name and make no mention of their real name otherwise.  
-JaiGuruYou!


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote :

Please ignore what he says about me. He has it completely wrong.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote :

Serious_Richardbrings up in this particular thread an important point about 
privacyon FFL. From the beginning Rick has been intent on creating asafe-space 
of privacy for folks to post on FFL. Rick's principlesin creating safe-space 
have been under attack, degraded andmethodically violated by some writers here 
evidently to abuse or intimidateother folks personally who have been members of 
the community of FFL. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote :

Thanksfor offering this, Serious. Yes I feel this is an excellent examplethat 
you offer of precedence in how to directly moderate a list thathas gone so bad 
like this. I shall make note of it and emulate Rickin this as much as possible. 
The yahoo-groups guidelines themselvesare quite simple and require of writers 
only some self-control. -JaiGuruYou!


Just for the record, I should point out that Rick banned me from the group 
without sending me a single message or email explaining why. So, I appealed to 
him and he reinstated my posting privileges. Apparently an informant objected 
to my using their real name, although they had previously posted under their 
real name. Go figure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Sad news. 

The really sad part of this is that [] has not apologized to me for over two 
decades for posting my real name on a.m.t. Go figure.
But, this brings up an interesting subject. From what I've read, authfriend 
has never used her real name on FFL, so I guess that everyone that ever used 
her real name should be banned from the group. That would include almost 
everyone currently posting

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show

2015-06-08 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
It would appear authfriend can correctly spell 'cognitive dissonance'. You 
are holding two or more contradictory beliefs and thinking everything is OK?
  From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 8, 2015 2:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show
   
    In the olden days of FFL, prior to Neo, identities were handled 
differently. People's real names appeared in the headers of their posts, along 
with their handles, unless they had specified when registering for Yahoo! that 
only their handles be used. I did not so specify, and my real name appeared in 
my posts' headers. Obviously I have no objection to my real name being used. 
That would be pretty silly after all this time.

But, this brings up an interesting subject. From what I've read, authfriend 
has never used her real name on FFL, so I guess that everyone that ever used 
her real name should be banned from the group. That would include almost 
everyone currently posting. Can anyone spell cognitive dissonance?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Astrology Science?

2015-05-29 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
 


 On Thursday, May 28, 2015 11:14 PM, Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:
   

     Anartaxius, you ignorant slut.  So, in replying to my criticism you are 
consorting with prostitutes and those of dim and unlearned intelligence? Seems 
like a good fit.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :On Wednesday, May 
27, 2015 10:44 PM, Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:Seems to me that 
since a single photon of light hitting a dark-conditioned retina can trigger a 
change in the flow of consciousness -- a single photon could possibly be a 
tipping point's final straw and so, an 
infant's-personality-that's-ever-so-fragile could thereby get hard-wired into a 
something or other.  I think we discussed this point some weeks ago. a single 
photon of light likely, on the basis of experiment, can affect the retina of 
the eye, but it is not an event the becomes conscious because the impulse does 
not get any further than this in the nervous system.  
I used dark-conditioned retina which I believe DOES send a full message to 
the brain about a single photon, but one or a dozen, so what?  The evidence is 
that a very small amount of light can be registered in consciousness -- which 
could be a tipping point experience.  EMPHASIS ON COULD.  The issue is 
whether such an event in consciousness could be some sort of keystone in an 
upside down pyramid -- we know the concept tipping point is valid, and we 
know the infant is brand new and ready for imprinting like a baby bird 
MAYBE.  See the word maybe there?
Yes, but belief is not evidence. And the evidence of the experiments shows that 
while it is likely a single photon could affect the retina, considerably more 
photons are required for the signal to get sent from the retina further up the 
processing chain. There is a difference between a 'small amount of light' and a 
single photon. So far there has never been an experimental result where a 
single photon was noticed. In fact scientifically 'an event in consciousness' 
is undefined because there is no scientific definition of consciousness.

I am aware of the 'tipping point' concept (the writings of Malcolm Gladwell), 
but if there is no evidence that a single photon can have effects to the extent 
you would like to believe. You seem to be looking for some frail excuse to have 
jyotish somehow work even when your own experience demonstrates it failed.
Now if you had an infant just at birth, don't you think all the activity 
surrounded by the birth would have a much much larger impact on the child's 
experience? We encounter things all life long that appear to tip us in one 
direction or another. And many things that have more mass and energy than a 
single photon impact us everyday so looking for the tiniest, least effective 
impact to be the tipping point seems like a wasted opportunity and clearly on 
the borderlands of irrationality.
Of course, it's hard to imagine a research scenario that could measure such 
thing.  But I mention this as a viable concept for this discussion, because of 
the research on the dirty water that is purified by radiation -- purified 
means anything-not-water gets separated out.  I'll link below to the research, 
as I have done several times here at FFL, 
You did not link to the research, you linked to a YouTube video. That is not 
scientific research. Pollack supposedly published this research in a low 
quality on-line journal called Water, but it turns out, what was uploaded was 
not a scientific paper, but a page listing the table of contents of his book, 
purchasable elsewhere. So no published research at all, just advertising. This 
is the abstract for the article, which is not an abstract for research but a 
sales pitch:

So what? Do I need to do a Steve-Martin-EXCUSE ME? for using research?  Give 
me a  break -- it's clear  that the error you underline is not germane to the 
discussion -- do you admit this?  Are you not just a little bit happy to get in 
here and show me up as a less-than-top-notch-thinker?  Aand, if I'm not 
top-notch, who the fuck are you to try to rub my nose in it?  Is someone 
smarter than you chafing your ass and I'm the only one you can take it out on?  
Do you go around besting children at trivia games or what?  Your attitude 
belongs on a PhD orals-exam -- not here at FFL for Christ's sake.
You seem to be attracted to bad science. If you are using 'research' to support 
your contention, then certainly it is germane to the discussion. In the manner 
of your reply you seem to be underlining the words 'less-than-top-notch 
thinker' with a broad brush. We do have such conversations on FFL all the time. 
You are just not here very often.

 The video shows that research was done and that there's probably some 
paperwork to back it up.  Did I say I have PROOF?  The video SUGGESTS that 
light somehow helps water to purify.  It shows actual experiments being 
conducted.  The guy is legit, credentialed, and what

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Astrology Science?

2015-05-28 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
 


 On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:44 PM, Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:
   

     Seems to me that since a single photon of light hitting a dark-conditioned 
retina can trigger a change in the flow of consciousness -- a single photon 
could possibly be a tipping point's final straw and so, an 
infant's-personality-that's-ever-so-fragile could thereby get hard-wired into a 
something or other.  I think we discussed this point some weeks ago. a single 
photon of light likely, on the basis of experiment, can affect the retina of 
the eye, but it is not an event the becomes conscious because the impulse does 
not get any further than this in the nervous system.
Of course, it's hard to imagine a research scenario that could measure such 
thing.  But I mention this as a viable concept for this discussion, because of 
the research on the dirty water that is purified by radiation -- purified 
means anything-not-water gets separated out.  I'll link below to the research, 
as I have done several times here at FFL, 
You did not link to the research, you linked to a YouTube video. That is not 
scientific research. Pollack supposedly published this research in a low 
quality on-line journal called Water, but it turns out, what was uploaded was 
not a scientific paper, but a page listing the table of contents of his book, 
purchasable elsewhere. So no published research at all, just advertising. This 
is the abstract for the article, which is not an abstract for research but a 
sales pitch:
'The following paragraphs are reproduced from the website of the publisher [1]. 
Professor Pollack takes us on a fantastic voyage through water, showing us a 
hidden universe teeming with physical activity that provides answers so simple 
that any curious person can understand. In conversational prose, Pollack lays a 
simple foundation for understanding how changes in water’s structure underlie 
most energetic transitions of form and motion on earth.' 
The citation footnote [1] in the abstract did not refer to any information 
either, not being a link or reference to anything else on the page.    
Not that that's a proof of astrology's main axiom, but that that indicates that 
light is VERY impacting at the subtlest of levels.  

There is very very much proof about instant printing.  We see birds immediately 
attach that's my parent to anything that moves when it is first born.  We 
know this kind of global psychological hardening is seen across the 
biological spectrum.  

Us human beings too?  Why not?  We know that trauma can do this.  Why not the 
first light that floods the newborn's eye?  

I paid good bucks to eleven jyotishi-types.  Nothing came true, no one nailed 
me, I was never warned about something, and no insights into what I'd been in 
the past, and they all majorly disagreed with each other.  And all of them were 
consulted EXACTLY WHEN I NEEDED ADVICE THE MOST -- my life troubles during that 
time were the WORST of my life, but no jyotish person warned or saw this. 
So don't try to sell me any more jyotish, but don't toss it out with the 
western astrology bathwater.  I think the light is synchronous (not causal)  
concept has traction.  It's just that science is not up to examining it, and 
probably won't be for another 100 years. 
A good experiential observation that jyotish/astrology is hokum.


Water, Energy, and Life: Fresh Views From the Water's Edge


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

What possible difference can those things make? The fact that astrology and 
astronomy have common roots only means that eventually those who created and 
followed the SCIENTIFIC method and way began to require real evidence for their 
theories and ideas. The astrologers on the other hand continued to rely on 
mystical ideas that have never been validated.
Isaac Newton was a scientist and an alchemist. The fact that he pursued some 
non-scientific mumbo jumbo does not take away from his scientific achievements 
nor does it validate his mystical endeavors or make alchemy as he practiced it 
a science. 

  From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 4:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Astrology Science?
 
 My bet is the only astrology thewriters are familiar with is western or 
tropical astrology.  Theyprobably don't even know what jyotish is.  And I bet 
they don'tknow that astronomy came as the result of astrology nor thatKepler's 
day job was making charts for astrologers.  So hedeveloped better methods of 
determining orbits.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rise of the machines?

2015-05-28 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
 
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     All that is fine.  Yes, you can hypothesize all you want.
Of course, because all my thoughts about anything are hypotheses, they are 
modelling experience, but that model will only have a relationship with what is 
modelled, it won't be the reality of what is modelled; when considered as fact, 
they can be very wrong.
You can't prove that your dog loves you, but you probably believe it.
I know for certain my dog does not love me, for I have no dog. There are other 
animals I have a relationship with, but they do not display behavioural 
characteristics of affection or love; they appear to display effects of 
conditioning, as do I in relation to them. I like them, but I do not know what 
they experience, though I infer certain things, which is hypothetical.

You can't prove that the sun will rise tomorrow, and set tonight, (or that the 
earth will spin to cause this effect), but I am guessing you believe it.
I don't know if the Sun will rise tomorrow, though I think there is a high 
probability it will. Though I do not think of it as rising. I think of it as 
being stuck on an oblate spheroid that rotates the Sun into view, except when 
the atmosphere is filled sufficiently with water that it cannot be seen 
directly, though it is inferred by the difference between the darkness of night 
and day.

Neither you nor I understand all the details of our nervous system or our 
physical body,or subtle body, if there is one, but we probably have developed 
some beliefs about what happens when this physical body dies.
In my case, from my accumulated knowledge, I believe some aspect of our 
existence goes forward in a personalized form.
If you have knowledge then you must have some direct experience of this 
'accumulated knowledge', unless you are using the word 'accumulated knowledge' 
to refer to ideas you have garnered second hand, in which case it is simply a 
mental stance waiting for confirmation. So what is that accumulated knowledge? 
It must have an expressible description for otherwise you probably could not 
even specify that you know something.

Can I prove that?
Of course not.
Right.
And that is my point, and probably not a profound one, that there are many 
things we can't prove, that we believe.
This would probably include just about everything we think we 'know'.

You seem to have developed a construct we does not require some part of our 
existence moving forward in that manner, and so, believe that is the case.
Based on my experience, it seems unlikely the individual entity our minds 
construe us to be would survive. Like a wave in the ocean, it flattens out and 
vanishes forever. They are other waves that can form out of the same water, but 
it is not the same wave. Even the water that makes up the wave changes moment 
to moment so there is a double death here, both the wave and its components are 
not stable and disperse.

Perhaps that is more of a rationalist approach.  I only believe what I can 
prove.
The only thing that seems certain to me, I cannot prove, and the rest is 
unreliable but temporarily demonstrable.

No problem.
If you actually want to know and prove something, the problem would seem 
insurmountable.







---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

It's not what we believe, it's what we know. But what we know for sure seems to 
be only that we exist now. I hypothesise that at death, the world comes to an 
end because the means of experience, the nervous system ceases to function. 
None of the 'subtle body' shit persisting, because the 'subtle body' is still 
the nervous system, it's part of the software of the neural net, a neural map 
of the body. As for a 'soul', there is only being, so 'soul' is a redundant 
conceptual entity related to the software map called the 'subtle body'. There 
are probably better ways technically to name these things. The mistake is 
'immortality' is eternity in a timeless present, rather than persistence in 
time.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

There's always, reality could be this, reality could be that
what really counts, is what you believe.
do you believe, as many do, that when you die, it's lights out?
I don't care if you answer it or not.
But, I suspect you do not believe it, even you care to dance around it, with, 
well, I have no proof
not that it has any practical value, but as humans we ponder these things, even 
if it doesn't affect our

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology

2015-05-21 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Doug, if I may pull a Judy on you, I said that (in slightly different words) 
the changes that occur in society seem to not turn out the way the drivers of 
change intended. I did not use the word 'millenarians' because most who have 
been the fount of ideas for change seldom used a 1,000 year cycle as their goal 
post. Millenarians are just a small subset of all those who desire and imagine 
change. For example, Lyndon Johnson's 'Great Society' had much more immediate 
goals, as did the 'New Deal' of Roosevelt. Many of the programs set up in the 
'New Deal' and in the 'Great Society' appear to be leading to a profound fiscal 
crisis for the United States, as is now happening in Greece, where government 
programs there have resulted in a situation where they can only be maintained 
by borrowing money from other countries, but there is a limit on how long that 
is viable. It seems almost certain now that Greece will be forced out of the 
European Union as a result and be forced to print their own currency, which 
will then devalue rather rapidly for a while. This kind of ostentatious 
'millenarial' thinking tends to lead to disaster in the longer run.
Sometimes I think millinarians develop because their immediate goals, such as 
'to develop the full potential of the individual; improve governmental 
achievements; realize the highest ideal of education; eliminate the problems of 
crime and all behaviour that brings unhappiness to the family of man; maximize 
the intelligent use of the environment; bring fulfilment to the economic 
aspirations of individuals and society; and achieve the spiritual goals of 
mankind in this generation', failed to happen and so they let the fulfilment 
day slide off into the future a bit, and then a bit more, and then quite a bit 
more.
Early Christians expected the return of Christ rather immediately, but now that 
date has slide off the scales at about 2,000 years, and it keeps slipping. 
Millenarians are incompetent time keepers, because they are out of touch with 
reality even more than the average Joe who has more immediate goals within 
his/her lifetime.
  From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology
   
    
Anartaxiussays here that millenarians, 'they seem to never take the 
directionand form intended'. Never? It could be well argued that these 
fourmillenarians created broad and lasting cultural changes, forinstance. It is 
informative in an examination of organizations andtheir sociology to look at 
how in leadership they went about doingit, by contrast.      




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

Yes, Doug, but transformations occur in society almost as a matter of course, 
but they never seem to take the direction and character that those who believed 
there was an upcoming transition would have it. So having a belief, which is a 
pretence to knowledge, one's imagination of what might be or is, is simply a 
superfluous mental attitude that traps the mind in a particular rut while the 
world goes on its merry way. Obviously these beliefs, even if they are wrong 
which they tend to be, do have an influence on the progress of change because 
they alter a person's behaviour, but the underlying forces of change are not 
concerned with imagination.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

Mao, Maharishi with his 'Ideal Society', even LBj with his 'Great Society', 
also Roosevelt and the 'New Deal' by effect in culture were the larger 
'revolutionary millenarians' of the last Century with their leadership towards 
creating 'Heavens on Earth'.  As a study I find it informative to look at their 
speeches for the language that activated people and brought people along in 
revolution, by contrast with a TM movement of this Century which in its own 
character of leadership has been unable and in decline for 40 years.  The 
contrast around  'inclusiveness' is stark.     
Millenarianism (also millenarism)is the belief by a religious, social, or 
political group or movementin a coming major transformation of society, after 
which all thingswill be changed.    Millennialism  [by contrast] isa specific 
form of millenarianism based on a one-thousand-year cycle,which many sects of 
different religions believe.    AChaney, Princeton.edu
http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Millenarianism.html
Revolutionary as an adjective, the term revolutionary refers to something that 
has amajor, sudden impact on society or on some aspect of human 
endeavor.Dictionary.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies

2015-05-21 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
At least Doug is inspiring interesting replies, which partially accounts for 
FFL having at least 3 times the number of posts as The Peak since about May 17. 
The contrast of viewpoints is the driver of inspiration in some and displeasure 
in others. In scientific discussions, people argue and eventually some headway 
is made. In spiritual circles, people argue and little headway is ever made 
because the arguments are over imaginary things instead of real things. If 
spirituality ever really adopted evidence for its claims, progress could be 
made in settling many points of dispute. There is a certain lack of honesty 
that permeates spiritual discourse.
A note (published in 1794) by Thomas Paine, one of the instigators of the 
American Revolution, regarding religious thinking (Paine was something of a 
Deist by the way, not an atheist):
'All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, 
appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify and enslave 
mankind, and monopolize power and profit. I do not mean by this declaration to 
condemn those who believe otherwise; they have the same right to their belief 
as I have to mine. But it is necessary to the happiness of man, that he be 
mentally faithful to himself. Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in 
disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe.'
'It is impossible to calculate the moral mischief, if I may so express it, that 
mental lying has produced in society. When a man has so far corrupted and 
prostituted the chastity of his mind, as to subscribe his professional belief 
to things he does not believe, he has prepared himself for the commission of 
every other crime. He takes up the trade of a priest for the sake of gain, and, 
in order to qualify himself for that trade, he begins with a perjury. Can we 
conceive anything more destructive to morality than this?'
   

   From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies
   
    What Doug fails to understand -- yet again -- is that you don't protect 
people from conspiracy theories by moderating (Buck's word for banning) 
those claims. You protect people by raising their awareness of how to think 
without falling into the traps that conspiracy theorists prey on, and by 
teaching them how to analyze ANY claim to see if it holds up when compared to 
science, logic, and Occam's Razor. 

To really do this, and protect people, this kind of education needs to start in 
elementary school and then be carried forward throughout the remainder of one's 
education. Students need to be taught how to analyze claims made by religion, 
by cults, by politicians, and by those with an agenda who want them to buy into 
their conspiracy theories/agenda. 

Why I'm bothering to write this is that in reality the person who has been most 
consistent in trying to sell conspiracy theories to people on FFL is *Doug 
himself*. *He* is the one claims that there is a conspiracy of evil-intentioned 
people to drive away the real spiritual people by creating an atmosphere in 
which claims can actually BE examined in the way I suggest above. *He* is the 
one trying to ban people like me and Sal and Michael, who are in fact trying to 
present to those who tend to fall for claims without analyzing them thoroughly 
ways in which they really could and should analyze such claims. 

Buck wants a world in which *He* gets to decide what's appropriate to be said 
and what isn't. None of the people he wants to ban from FFL want that. We want, 
 in fact,the opposite. We would like to see a forum in which everyone is free 
to challenge and analyze ANY claim, whether it is made by TB TMers or people 
who don't like TM and the TMO very much. Sal and Michael and I have been 
advocating the very thing that Buck *claims* to support here, but that his 
actual behavior has clearly shown that he hates, and is trying to prevent. He'd 
like to moderate away the people who actually subject claims to analysis. We 
would like to see more such analysis. 
 

 From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

Yep,conspiracy theorizing is sort of like nicotine to an addiction toharder 
things that become perniciously asocial like,  “Themost unbalanced members of a 
society, when exposed to these ideas,can be driven to commit terrible acts, 
including assault and massmurder”. Conspiracy theorizing should be moderated by 
everyone for everyone'sprotection. A strong protection against conspiracy 
theorists is in avital and strong free public education for all citizens, at 
the least, that starts early and is sustained in to adulthood providing the 
critical skill-setsto have a more widely informed citizenry. -JaiGuruYou!  

---In 

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology

2015-05-21 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Well, Johnson got a lot of legislation passed. He knew how to deal and had the 
leverage to do it. He did not use the concepts of transcendent or dharma in 
that speech. He never struck me as a spiritual person and his use of the word 
'God' in the speech seems the perfunctory inclusion that seems to be required 
in American politics. And probably he only touched up a speech written by his 
speech writers anyway. And he was a racist in spite of all of that:
Lyndon Johnson was a civil rights hero. But also a racist.

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However in spite of all this, the events of the last half year or so show that 
what he accomplished has not erased the problems of race or poverty, of 
inequality; if anything they have taken on a more intense and subtle mantle of 
discord in this country.
  From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 2:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology
   
    
LBJ is actually a good exampleof the rhetoric of leadership within millenarian 
revolution. [notice spelling with one 'n', not millennial] change.

 For instance LBJ's articulationof transcendent and larger promises in America 
of an evolvingdharma-like progression of equal rights for all. Gathering 
peoplein, see what and how he said it. Read a few of the first fewparagraphs 
where he lays things out and see how he reaches for it inrhetoric. 

 He was quite successful with “The Great Society” andthen with civil rights and 
voting rights legislation in turn. Was aremarkable point of leadership in broad 
cultural change. Time was ripeand he led rhetorically. 

Text of “The AmericanPromise”.. 

President Lyndon B. Johnson's Special Message to the Congress: The American 
Promise March 15, 1965 
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American Promise March 15,...  President Lyndon B. Johnson's Special Message to 
the Congress: The American Promise March 15, 1965 [As delivered in person 
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 You can watch him deliver it on YouTube..



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NvPhiuGZ6I







---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :


Anartaxiussays here that millenarians, 'they seem to never take the 
directionand form intended'. Never? It could be well argued that these 
fourmillenarians created broad and lasting cultural changes, forinstance. It is 
informative in an examination of organizations andtheir sociology to look at 
how in leadership they went about doingit, by contrast.      


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

Yes, Doug, but transformations occur in society almost as a matter of course, 
but they never seem to take the direction and character that those who believed 
there was an upcoming transition would have it. So having a belief, which is a 
pretence to knowledge, one's imagination of what might be or is, is simply a 
superfluous mental attitude that traps the mind in a particular rut while the 
world goes on its merry way. Obviously these beliefs, even if they are wrong 
which they tend to be, do have an influence on the progress of change because 
they alter a person's behaviour, but the underlying forces of change are not 
concerned with imagination.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

Mao, Maharishi with his 'Ideal Society', even LBj with his 'Great Society', 
also Roosevelt and the 'New Deal' by effect in culture were the larger 
'revolutionary millenarians' of the last Century with their leadership towards 
creating 'Heavens on Earth'.  As a study I find it informative to look at their 
speeches for the language that activated people and brought people along in 
revolution, by contrast with a TM movement of this Century which in its own 
character of leadership has been unable and in decline for 40 years.  The 
contrast around  'inclusiveness' is stark.     
Millenarianism (also millenarism)is the belief by a religious, social, or 
political group or movementin a coming major transformation of society, after 
which all thingswill be changed.    Millennialism  [by contrast] isa specific 
form of millenarianism based on a one-thousand-year cycle,which many sects of 
different religions believe.    AChaney, Princeton.edu
http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Millenarianism.html
Revolutionary as an adjective, the term revolutionary refers to something that 
has amajor

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the whiny hysteria we see with Barry is his own fault

2015-05-15 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
We are all crazy. Who in their right mind would spend so many years in pursuit 
of 'the absolute' whose description (no qualities) is exactly the same as 
nothing. Admittedly, it has been a lot of fun. At the core of everything, a 
vast blank to which we attribute all. Because to talk about it we have to 
concoct attributes, thus spending all our time making up shit about it to 
convince others it is somehow more real than what they are currently thinking . 
Or we adopt other people's made up shit and regurgitate it to others, or 
re-purpose it to others. The reason it is fun is because it engages the 
intellect and the creative process, to make up stuff about nothing, and make it 
seem as if it is something. Kind of like being a deity.
Steve, I do not think you understand the process that the Zen people call 
'dharma combat', which on FFL tends to settle into personal rivalry rather than 
illumination. The ideas expressed are what is important, not the people.
As the Joker said to Batman 'you complete me'. If you are engaged, a process is 
working to completion. That means a process of expansion is happening. The 
whole spiritual arc is about completion. Those who are ignored should be 
considered unworthy of the journey. Think of it in a positive light.

  From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 12:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the whiny hysteria we see with Barry is 
his own fault
   
    Barry, you are fuckin' crazy?
Admit it, you live for this stuff.
Any sane person would simply ignore posters they don't like.
But, you?
You become fully engaged.
Seriously, my friend, try to find something of interest besides Jim Flanegin 
and The_Peak.
No matter what anyone tells you, you do have options.
Remember Judy?
Well, she doesn't post here because she realized the reality of diminishing 
returns.
You, on the other hand, have no such understanding.
Good luck.
Oh, sorry about Paris.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Too sad for words. Now we know what an enlightened person -- someone who 
claims to have achieved the peak in life -- does with his time. He looks up a 
number of old posts from someone he doesn't like, carefully snips passages from 
them and concatenates them together to give the impression that they were all 
written at once in a big wall of words, and posts them in an attempt to 
further demonize the person he doesn't like. 

What were the terms a couple of this dweeb's followers posted recently on FFL, 
claiming that they deplored such tactics?  Misrepresentation? Straw man 
arguments? 

This appears to be the counterpart of what Mr. Enlightened was doing shortly 
before he ran away from FFL with his tail between his legs. Back then he spent 
hours scouring the Internet for photographs of the same person he didn't like, 
cropped and modified them in Photoshop to make them look more embarrassing than 
they really were, and then posted them to FFL. Here he's doing the same thing, 
only with words. 

For the record -- and for the benefit of his followers on The_Leak, who we all 
know will be reading this on FFL -- this is a person who claims to be 
enlightened, demonstrating how he believes an enlightened person should act. 

Even if you ignore the total lack of ethics involved in this little exercise in 
lashing out, you have to wonder how someone supposedly enlightened and 
representing the peak of human achievement has that much hatred in his heart 
and time on his hands...  :-)

  From: reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 10:12 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the whiny hysteria we see with Barry is his 
own fault
 
 Will someone please tell Barry that he is welcome to submit his application to 
me, for membership over at The Peak, at any time. But I do have a small 
requirement for him first, not reflected in his writing below: mental 
stability. 
Thanks.
What's always boggled my mind is how many of the people whohave *BEEN* kept in 
line by TM teachers and Governors of theAge of Enlightenment (I mean...just 
*think* about that term, and thatpeople are *so* brainwashed that they take it 
for granted and never questionit) react. Rather than resenting having been told 
what they can and cannot doand what they can and cannot think for years by 
these dweebs, *they aspire tobe just like them*. Thus you find people like Jim 
Flanegin, who never had whatit took to become a TM teacher, wanting to become 
just like them and impose hiswill on others and force them to live the way *he* 
wants them to. In a veryreal sense, this strikes me as the same kind of 
inherited behaviorwe see in victims of child abuse. Instead of growing up to 
hate such abuse,they tend to grow up to become abusers themselves. I find the 
very existence ofThe_Leak quite fascinating. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those interested in the Neo-Advaita phenomenon

2015-05-15 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Narcissistic tendencies are at the heart of ego. We all have them. We all know 
how great we are in spite of THEM. What we tend not to know is how our 
tendencies fit into the world at large. Gurus in particular have a propensity 
to get caught in a bubble of adoration and those narcissistic tendencies can 
spiral out of control if they are strong. I sometimes wonder if individuals who 
are more withdrawn in this way might be better spiritual teachers eventually. 
One problem is followers seem to like and gravitate to a commanding figure, 
someone who seems in control of his/her life. A follower tends to be looking 
for a way out of a definite weakness in this regard, and wants to be told what 
to do to 'fix' their life. This is an inevitable recipe for disaster. And, it 
often seems to me, once a follower has acquired some (not a lot) of spiritual 
memes and some experience, the innate narcissism we have tends to wrap itself 
around that new spiritualised identity. For now we 'know' we have something all 
those other unenlightened ass-holes do not have. Except of course that is 
entirely untrue. In many ways we have become worse than the people we look down 
upon for failing to see our new found 'truth'. This problem will persist 
through all stages of 'consciousness' a person experiences, and even persists 
after a clear awakening and will probably take years following that before it 
is adequately moderated.
  From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 12:16 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those interested in the Neo-Advaita 
phenomenon
   
    Barry,
Has it ever occurred to you, how obsessed you are with NPD?
Do you think that says something?
I'd say it's one of the great loves of your life, along with Judy Stein.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Here's an interesting apology letter from one of the most embarrassing 
examples of Neo-Advaita teaching ever, Andrew Cohen. 

If you're interesting in this particular branch of spiritual craziness, I 
advise skimming the mea culpa letter (which I regard as total bullshit and 
being as clearly symptomatic of Narcissistic Personality Disorder as many of 
Robin Carlsen's similar mea culpa postings), and instead reading through many 
of the comments, especially the one from Rick Taylor. You might also look up 
comments made by Cohen's *mother*, who became his student at one point, and was 
told to give way to him or their relationship would end and forbidden 
toexpress an opinion on anything. She says that she knew if I 
seriouslyobjected to anything, I'd be kicked out and stated that her 
son,formerly the sweetest, sensitive kid, had changed into anunrecognizable 
tyrant.
All in all, this is an example of how badly a supposed spiritual teaching can 
go wrong, when people are stupid enough to just believe someone when they claim 
to be enlightened. It also points out the problems with this whole faux 
lineage of Neo-Advaitans:  One of the tragedies of Poonjaji's teaching 
ministry is that he eithertold, inferred, or allowed hundreds of individuals to 
believe they werefully enlightened simply because they'd had one, or many, 
powerfulexperiences of awakening. These enlightened teachers then proceeded 
toenlighten their own students in a similar way, and thus was born whatis known 
as the neo-Advaita, or satsang movement in western culture.
An open letter to all my former students upon return from my sabbatical. 

|   |
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| An open letter to all my former students upon return from my sabbatical.Dear 
Ones, It has been almost 2 years since the structures of our shared Utopian 
experiment collapsed so violently and so completely. It’s also been almost that 
long that I have dropped out of sight. |
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Have you had an experience of higher states of consciousness? Please FORWARD!

2015-05-13 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Hallucination is really the crux of the matter. The basic premise of 
'enlightenment' is we are somehow not experiencing reality but some kind of 
hallucination. Once we get that idea in our head we become a seeker, looking 
for a way out of the hallucination, but the basic problem here is we are 
seeking enlightenment while under the influence of the hallucination, so it 
would seem to be am extreme improbability that we could ever get out from under 
it. Obviously then, as a seeker, one is going to make lots of mistakes as to 
the nature and success of the enterprise because we are under the influence of 
the hallucinatory dream. In other words, the whole path as laid out by a 
teacher, is in hallucinatory terms in our own minds, and if the teacher is 
authentic, the teacher knows this too and so they will try to shape your 
hallucination in a way to get you out from under it. But often it is a losing 
battle because the student takes the teaching as reality rather than as a 
method to get him/her to take the matter in his/her own hands and examine one's 
own assumptions about the whole process.
While doing some tabulating of old posts on FFL, I came across a comment Barry 
made to Judy, maybe 10 years ago or so. To paraphrase it, it was something like 
'you prefer consistency to reality, reality is messy'. Doug too is trying to 
maintain some kind of consistency in his unimaginative one-note rants, but 
reality is not co-operating, it keeps trying to show him the world is 
variegated beyond his own individual desires. It gives us opportunities to 
explore and riff on ideas based on his simple rants, and we can do this by 
branching off on just about any subject related to the concept of 
enlightenment. But Doug never varies, staying in a self-imposed rut, a mental 
prison based on a desire for consistency to a few ideas. Reality is a paradox 
because it contains stability and non-stability both, and we remain in a prison 
of our own making when we try to hold onto one side or the other of that 
paradox; when we want change it throws stagnation at us, and when we want 
stability, it pulls the rug out from under our feet.
  From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 2:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Have you had an experience of higher states 
of consciousness? Please FORWARD!
   
    From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 

Another serious hallucination from Buck. This place was never hijacked but 
some people joined with - gasp - different opinions about what it all means, 
both the TM organisation and the experiences that result from regular spiritual 
practise.


And it has to be said that the so-called neganauts (people with different 
opinions to Doug) have all talked at length about spiritual experiences with TM 
and various other techniques and drugs. In fact, the only ones that have never 
mentioned their own visions on the path are the three whiners who never stop 
trying to drag the place down. They know who they are. Funny that.


So here's a challenge for you Doug, I've talked at length about my spiritual 
experiences, why don't you have a go and share the obviously vast amount of 
self-knowledge you must have gained from a lifetime sitting in the dome? 

Be the change you want to see on FFL







Yeah, like that will happen. At this point, pretty much everyone who has been 
following the forum knows that the only people here actually *having* any 
spiritual experiences to talk about are the ones who gave up on TM.  :-)



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

2015-04-25 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

  From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
   
    Nope, has nothing to do with the tactic you invented and falsely 
attribute to TM supporters in that post, except insofar as the post represents 
your futile and laughable attempt to slaughter the elephant.
Just as an example of how ludicrous your Big Game Hunter efforts are: In a  
post to Xeno today, first you declare that there is something terribly wrong 
with True Believers. Then in the very next paragraph, you claim that what's 
wrong with them is that they think there's something wrong with unbelievers.
(You were completely oblivious to this spectacular piece of chop-logic. Xeno 
may catch it, but if he does, he won't mention it, because he doesn't dare 
cross you.)
Barry and I seem to agree more or less on a number of subjects. Also I do not 
read everything he writes, and I am sure he does not read everything I write. I 
really don't care if Barry is trashing others on this forum. He has certain 
points of view and he expresses them. They are typically not highly refined 
logical tropes; more like fishing with a shotgun. Which side I take on an 
argument is a choice, though the nature of choice is somewhat of a mystery if 
one takes into account what we know of the laws of nature, and the nature of 
the mind as we experience it via these spiritual technologies such as 
meditation.
To me a true believer simply has a mental stance toward some subject that is 
based on imagination more than fact. For example the concept of rights is 
something we manufacture for our benefit. This is not an idea I invented, for 
example I heard the lawyer Alan Dershowitz (who retired from teaching law at 
Harvard a couple of years ago) say the same thing. Rights do not exist outside 
our minds; we create rights to make our society run more smoothly; they can be 
a good thing (and 'good' is another manufactured concept). Now that there is 
more factual information on why sexual orientation happens the way it happens, 
creating a right to make society less abrasive toward certain people can be 
based on factual information rather on than abstract and unprovable 
formulations such as morality.
Further to that post: One wonders how your and Xeno's formulations would apply 
to, say, a True Believer in gay rights who thinks there's something wrong with 
homophobes (and of course the homophobes think there's something wrong with the 
TBs who champion gay rights).
After all, you did say:
In a very real sense, being a True Believer -- in pretty much *anything* -- is 
a form of handicap. TBs are cripples or impaired persons, in that they lack 
abilities that others around them take for granted. What is worse is that they 
don't *know* that they are crippled. 






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

Just a word about the elephant in the room that the thug apologists have so 
carefully been tiptoeing around: It was never criticism of TM/the TMO/MMY that 
TM supporters found intolerable. It was the relentless vicious and dishonest 
personal attacks, led by Barry, on those TM supporters that finally triggered 
the mass exodus to The Peak. Barry and his gang of thugs know this but are 
doing their best to make it appear otherwise, because the truth is embarrassing.
I see that since she's been gone Judy has developed the same spotty reading 
habits she used to deride. She's foolishly attempting to use a tactic I already 
described in a post made only yesterday.  :-)  :-)  :-)

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/413925



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

Just a word about the elephant in the room that the thug apologists have so 
carefully been tiptoeing around: It was never criticism of TM/the TMO/MMY that 
TM supporters found intolerable. It was the relentless vicious and dishonest 
personal attacks, led by Barry, on those TM supporters that finally triggered 
the mass exodus to The Peak. Barry and his gang of thugs know this but are 
doing their best to make it appear otherwise, because the truth is embarrassing.
I see that since she's been gone Judy has developed the same spotty reading 
habits she used to deride. She's foolishly attempting to use a tactic I already 
described in a post made only yesterday.  :-)  :-)  :-)

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/413925



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

2015-04-25 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

  From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
   
    Nope, has nothing to do with the tactic you invented and falsely 
attribute to TM supporters in that post, except insofar as the post represents 
your futile and laughable attempt to slaughter the elephant.
Just as an example of how ludicrous your Big Game Hunter efforts are: In a  
post to Xeno today, first you declare that there is something terribly wrong 
with True Believers. Then in the very next paragraph, you claim that what's 
wrong with them is that they think there's something wrong with unbelievers.
(You were completely oblivious to this spectacular piece of chop-logic. Xeno 
may catch it, but if he does, he won't mention it, because he doesn't dare 
cross you.)


Further to that post: One wonders how your and Xeno's formulations would apply 
to, say, a True Believer in gay rights who thinks there's something wrong with 
homophobes (and of course the homophobes think there's something wrong with the 
TBs who champion gay rights).
After all, you did say:
In a very real sense, being a True Believer -- in pretty much *anything* -- is 
a form of handicap. TBs are cripples or impaired persons, in that they lack 
abilities that others around them take for granted. What is worse is that they 
don't *know* that they are crippled. 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Free Coffee

2015-04-25 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I was meeting someone at Starbucks, at a location convenient to us both, and 
there are many Starbucks around where I live, and few alternatives within a 
reasonable driving distance. I usually make my own coffee. Also American coffee 
tastes are different than those of Europeans, though I used to get coffee from 
Mr. Peet when I lived on the West Coast of the U.S. Peet freely helped 
Starbucks set up in Seattle by giving them the benefit of his knowledge; 
Starbucks basically commercialised his model on a much larger scale, and of 
course something was lost. Peet's Coffee now is in other hands and the rich 
variety he provided has given way to a more commercial offering. I have not 
been in a Peet's coffee store in 40 years, so I don't know if they continued in 
the manner he set up his original shops, but Peet's coffee in grocery stores 
here does not have much variety offered. That the United States has in some 
areas better coffee than in the past is largely due to him. Peet learned his 
trade in his family's coffee business before WWII in Alkmaar, Netherlands, 
which is about 55km from Leiden. I have some Peet's coffee at home, but I will 
tolerate instant coffee when I am lazy, but I usually cannot stand instant 
coffee black. Most of the restaurants around here have terrible coffee.
  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 8:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Free Coffee
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

Probably works for people who want tograb some coffee in a hurry.  Starbucks 
was not intended to be areplacement for European cappuccino bars.  But you may 
recall inthe 1970s boomers didn't like coffee because it gave them thejitters 
and the coffee industry even ran TV promos trying to getfolks hooked again.  I 
didn't drink coffee back then until Istarted working downtown Seattle about 
1980 and would grabsomething to eat and drink on my way to my temp job.  One 
can findespresso made like they do in Europe in classic Italianrestaurants 
around here.  I'm not talking Olive Garden either.  ;-)
I had a Starbucks once, and that was only because I got a free voucher in some 
newspaper. I asked for a cappucino and took it back because I thought they'd 
forgot to put the coffee in. They made me another with an extra shot and it 
still tasted like someone had dipped a single grain of nescafe in some warm 
milk.
How they make a global brand out of it I don't know, it must be consistency. 
The local independent cafes round here make either a consistently bland brew or 
a fantastic cup one day or something that tastes like lukewarm creosote the 
next. Or occasionally they are always good but ruinously expensive. Costa are 
the only place that I can rely on outside London but I stopped going there when 
they shrank the size of the cakes recently. Did they think we wouldn't notice?


On 04/24/2015 10:55 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@...[FairfieldLife] wrote:

  The only Starbucks in my town isat the central train station. Almost no one 
goesthere because in the Netherlands almost everycafe can make a better cup of 
coffee andliterally every cafe has better ambiance. Justgoes to show ya that 
globalization only worksif the globe wants what you're sellin'...
 From:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent:Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:54 AM
Subject:[FairfieldLife] Free Coffee

 Ihappened to be at a Starbucks today,and the registers had just stoppedworking 
even though they were stillturned on. I got a free coffee. Thebarista was on 
the phone with theirtechnical help and said the networksystem had somehow gone 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 10 reasons why Judy quit FFL and why she returned

2015-04-25 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
The subject she seemed most interested in near the time she quit FFL was 
classical theism. But I have no idea if she was really interested in the 
subject, she seemed interested in it, but of course she had no confidence in my 
powers of perception to divine what her real motives were for anything.
  From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 11:05 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 10 reasons why Judy quit FFL and why she returned
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

   
   - She injured both arms, now she got voice recognition software.
   - Her eyesight got really bad, and she had to wait so long for an operation.
   - Writing on FFL upset her so much, so the doctor told her to stop.
   - She converted to Catholizism and stopped TM.
   - She got a job.
   - She had a near-death experience, but has been revived.   

   - Barry bribed her to leave, but he didn't pay the last check.
   - The most important letter on her keyboard, the L, (to write liar) broke, 
now she found she can substitute it with a 1.
   - She had an apparition of Maharishi / Guru Dev /Jesus / Robin /.., who told 
her to stop FFL
   - Your call...   


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

2015-04-24 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]



  From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 5:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
   
    
For the sake of there beingmaterial divergent view represented on FFL given the 
hostile climatethat came over FFL I have volunteered here many times the voice 
ofthe tru-believer and for my effort have been heaped on in return withpersonal 
invective of abuse from what has become an endemicintellectual intolerance here.




Most of the people here probably went through a true-believer stage, at least 
to some extent, and this probably includes most of those here with whom you 
disagree. So these people can at least understand your position, but the 
important point is a true-believer cannot understand the position of someone 
who is outside that belief. Stable belief keeps the mind in a narrow range of 
options of unreality, for a belief is a substitute for direct experience, it is 
the mind's ossified interpretation of experience. 




A belief is simply a thought that one is convinced is true. Evidence is of no 
concern. A belief is essentially an opinion, emotionally held so tight it 
cannot be let go of. A belief is a pretence of knowledge. It stands in place of 
knowledge. To get out of the mind trap of belief, one has to see that beliefs 
are not real; this happens if the mind expands enough. Only then can you see 
how well thought corresponds to experience, to facts, and it is an ongoing 
battle to be able to do this because it is part of the structure of human minds 
to have a certain level of gullibility built in, so self-deception is always 
around the corner.





Once a person has managed to off-load various sets of beliefs, to them people 
whose minds are fixed in a small range of ideas which they cannot let go of 
appear basically as idiots. Up to a point there is a certain amount of 
compassion for such a person because most of us were in that vice ourselves, 
but if someone is so impacted by belief that they never budge, such a one is an 
unforgivable idiot, having turned their back on expansion of mind and 
experience in favour of a mental rut, a mental prison from which they will not 
emerge.




In order to break the repetitive cycle of belief, one has to honestly consider 
any idea one has as possibly and even likely being untrue. Once that stance is 
acquired, it becomes easier to evaluate what one and others say. Scientists 
have to adopt such a stance as a matter of course or otherwise they would be 
laughed out of the community of scientists, and it is not necessarily easy for 
a scientist to do this for psychological reasons. Like drinking coffee or beer, 
it is an acquired taste. Giving up cherished but wrong ideas can be a bitter 
experience for some people.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

2015-04-23 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Buck, I can understand, if you are emotionally sensitive that you might feel 
hurt as a result of some the of things posted here on FFL, but 'ruinous' is 
another matter. That means disastrous or destructive. Obviously if a person 
thinks idea A is false and persuasively explains why he/she thinks it is false, 
it could be ruinous. Now if you like idea A and want to defend it, you must do 
so in a manner more persuasive than the person who thinks it is false. 
Spiritual arguments eventually all amount to blather because they are not based 
on facts. Facts that are related to spiritual things never seem to touch the 
core value of spirituality because that core value is always said to not exist 
in the material world, and hence, there are no indisputable facts that can be 
presented; everything is hearsay, and not admissible in court. There are many 
things you have brought up here which I think are dead wrong. For example, the 
Maharishi effect. 
I think a case could be made that there is some sort of interaction between 
human beings that result in crowd effects, like riots. There is electrical 
activity in the brain and it seems as if it could influence people near you 
were it strong enough, but the effect would be much more limited than the way 
the movement talks about it, it would at best be an electromagnetic field 
effect. But also, it might be a chemical effect, or people picking up on 
behavioural cues. So the scientific issue would revolve around these known 
effects, not a unified field effect, for scientifically a unified field is 
still an unfinished and unproven theory, and hence has not been discovered 
scientifically, it is an ideal many scientists are attempting to work toward. 
The movement's spiel about the Maharishi effect is essentially a scam because 
mentally the idea has been approached philosophically rather than 
scientifically. Do you want to discuss this?
  From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 2:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
   
    
I have no problem withconsidering divergent opinion. I am quite happy reading 
it here, asRick had originally intended. But I do brace at the ruinous 
hurtfulway you and others presenting here have on the discussions here.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

I think, Buck, what you call collaboration is a situation where everyone agrees 
with you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
Collaboration? Could many folksdare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL 
anymore given the lackof self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? 
What is mostlymissing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to 
process, alove enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there 
tobe creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is aculture of 
rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinkinghere and driven people 
away.



 
 
 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Xenu Porn [2 Attachments]

2015-04-23 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
The term engram pre-dated Hubbard's use of the term, appearing in the early 
1900s having the meaning 'the means by which memory traces are stored as 
biophysical or biochemical changes in the brain (and other neural tissue) in 
response to external stimuli'. It was a scientific hypothesis. In Hubbard's 
scam it's 'a mental image picture which is a recording of an experience 
containing pain, unconsciousness and a real or fancied threat to survival. It 
is a recording in the reactive mind of something which actually happened to an 
individual in the past and which contained pain and unconsciousness'.
When you look at any spiritual movement or philosophy there is basically 
something like an engram, there is something that is 'wrong' with you (which 
probably you do not like), and the spiritual system is going to 'fix' it, and 
you fall into the system because you think life will be better if you get rid 
of whatever seems insufficient in you. In TM engram = stress, in Catholicism it 
is 'original sin', in a number of philosophies it is 'ignorance' or 'illusion'. 
In every case a supposed condition has to be reversed or eliminated, but the 
methods used differ. It seems in Scientology the attempt is to get you to face 
directly these unpleasant memories; in TM these things are supposed to be 
gently released. These processes can be effective, but the danger is the mind 
as memory gets loaded with all sorts of explanations for what you are doing. A 
person basically does these things to improve their life, but if the 
explanatory part of the process takes deep root, you end up as a 'true 
believer' in the particular philosophy at hand, when all you were trying to do 
in the first place was forget something or lessen the impact of that something.

Cool video of that volcano. One person who had a great view of a volcanic 
explosion was the scientist David Johnston who was monitoring Mt. St. Helens in 
1980. He was 10 kilometres from the mountain when it blew. He yelled into his 
radio 'Vancouver! Vancouver! This is it!' and was never heard from again. Road 
workers found parts of his trailer 13 years later, but no sign of him. If he 
had any engrams from the event, they probably disappeared at the same time he 
did. Attached is a picture of Johnston made 13 hours before the explosion, and 
a second image of the explosion which he directly faced (the image made by a 
camper who was driving frantically away at the time).


  From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:54 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Xenu Porn
   
    For believers in the $cientology myth of galactic overlord and badass Xenu 
bringing billions of his people to Earth and throwing them into volcanoes, this 
time lapse segment of a Chilean volcano erupting will bring back memories of 
what caused all the engrams you have to pay the big bucks to get rid of through 
Co$ auditing.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

2015-04-23 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
You're kidding, right?
  From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 12:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
   
    I was once in a class with this lady who was teaching a healing thing, 
there were three of us former TM'ers and she said the other two had what she 
called a TM hook, which she said was a psychological hook of some kind that 
she had seen in TM'ers and former TM'ers. Dunno why she thought I didn't have 
one.  
 

 From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 7:58 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
   
    
Buck the depressed whiner and Willy the repetitive ranter, there's probably 
psychological profiles of those types of psychosis somewhere.

I had a friend, an old TM teacher like me, who met somekind of a clearvoyant, 
telling him that he had a TM implant in his brain, despite the fact that he had 
left the movement, and surely had adopted his own opinions on a number of 
things. He asked me at the time what I thought of it. Now I am not really a 
believer in the implant idea, you know there could be all kind of implants, 
from physical, to subtle physical etc. So I told him so. 

But after leaving TM, some decades ago, I soon realized, that not only stopping 
formal TM whoulc make me into a non-TMer. I realized that the concepts and 
ideas, the ideology, if you want the 'brainwashing' has still left traces, 
expectations, even in the subconscious.

I had to make a conscious effort to rid myself of some of the TM concepts, 
which were like hooks clinging to me. I did this to an extend, so that I could 
feel happy, and not 'miss' anything of my old TM environment, instead enjoying 
my new life, and my new spiritual discoveries fully. (That's what about I told 
my friend)

But later the thought, that there may indeed be something of a TM implant, that 
still was people hooking up, didn't leave me. In fact, could this be one 
explanation, how people here on FFL, both TB TMers (who will of course deny 
they are TB), and anti-TMers alike are hooked to the same story? Infact could 
also anti-cultist be fighting the same implant, that TMers so vehemently defend?

This is just a thought, I know, I will probably not get a lot of support for 
it, but could there be something to it?
  

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Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~

2015-04-13 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
 up their butt.  That's 
when folks started fleeing elsewhere.
..I've been away from the TMO since 1985 but I seem to recall some of them got 
drummed out themselves.  They never bothered me but I sure heard stories from 
people who were their victims.  Sometimes what goes around comes around.

#

Are any of them still in charge of anything:?
L


Discussing: “One thing which is interesting hereis that this movement was 
founded by people who had a distinct lackof the first list and an abundance of 
the second list.  To takea year off college and go to a 3-month TM TTC in 1972 
required agreat lack of obedience, compliance, conformity, discipline 
andadherence; and a great abundance of authenticity, 
self-direction,self-expression, appreciation of diversity, critical analysis, 
andplayfulness.  When did we change?”
..when did the movement change?
As the culture of the movement becameTM-siddhis centric. Back when the metric 
changed from numbersof meditators and the teaching of TM over to groups of 
people practicingTM-yogic-flying. The friendly, compassionate, and happy 
movementbecame something else under a new administrative leadership with a 
different mission from then.
Discussing: “Specifically,our community culture highly values: obedience, 
compliance,conformity, discipline and adherence. These values go 
directlyagainst the grain of: creativity, authenticity, 
self-direction,self-expression, appreciation of diversity, critical analysis, 
andplayfulness which are generally the characteristics of later stagesof 
development.”
..Discussion:I feel this is a very powerful way of analyzing.  ..examples ofour 
community culture valuing “conformity,” for example?
LEnglish5 wrote :
I think you're wrong all the way across the board in your conclusinos, even if 
you make partially valid points.The TM organization appears to be thriving, and 
on the verge of being 100x laster than it has ever been, while being recognized 
by the largest organizations in the world as being important.
Of course, that last may never happen, but what if does?
L

Yes,granted that in places the TM movement is progressing. Thatevidently 
depends though on people and a character of the peopleinvolved how it is going. 
In Latin America pretty obviously it ishappening because of the integrity of 
the person there leading it.Elsewhere the TM movement is pretty small. They guy 
in Latin Am. isway inclusive in language and nature, sort of like the new pope, 
and simplyteaching TM. At the level of the Global Country of World Peace 
itevidently is way exclusive as a faith-based organization. Their GCWP is avery 
small organization actually. It is some numbers of hundreds. Itseems is not out 
of the woods yet, post MMY:  'All chiefs and noindians', as the old saying 
went.. And certainly no young leaders onthe stage or at the microphones yet at 
important functions. TheGlobal Country is about 30 Rajas and some 'Ministers' 
like Bevan andNeil holding fast to the movement tiller and microphone. Lot of 
the Rajas evidentlybailed in various ways.
A meditator communityobserver here with a valid Dome badge watching their 
meetings andvideos comments, 'they should look and see if anyone is following'.
By contrast, I was up at Mayo Cliniclast week. Consistently rated at the top in 
healthcare, their contrastin organizational culture of ease, fluidity, 
collaboration, graciousness, mission of service, focus and outcome is 
spectacular by contrast withthe halting organizational cultural of fears 
endemic withinorganizational TM.
anartaxius wrote :I suspect Michael, that Maharishi as a young spiritual 
groupie was much like the people who eventually surrounded him, with that 
bright naive sense that everything would be grand. And then the reality of the 
world, the incapacities of the people, began to set in. Nothing goes the way 
you think it will go (though statistically there are always a few people who 
are on the lucky end of the curve).
He did acknowledge there would be a flaw that would derail the whole thing. But 
there is always more than one way for something to come off the rails, and it 
can come from inside oneself just as well as from outside. Creating an 
organisation, especially a large one, is one way to bollix up the works because 
resources that might have been used to supposedly enlighten people have to be 
diverted to support and sustain the organisation.
The organisation then becomes a vampire that sucks its supposed beneficiaries 
dry in order to sustain itself. Anyone at the head of such an organisation who 
has personal issues or flaws in relation to its stated mission becomes a major 
distorting factor in its growth, along with the flaws of all the rest who 
become part of it.
Add to that that enlightenment offers nothing in the end except the knowledge 
that there was nothing to get in the first place and cuts you loose to live 
your life independently means those few who do 'succeed' in getting what this 
truly odd business

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~~~~~~~~~ about friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~

2015-04-10 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
 people I know who are seeking 
these things though, seem really locked into the reality of what they expect to 
discover. I was not an exception to this, but it does seem to help to make a 
strong note of those contrary phrases that are embedded in many traditions, 
similar to the Zen master selling water by the river.
A family member recently got caught in the updraft of 'Master John Douglas'. 
Searching the Internet, all the information about this fellow seems to have 
been derived directly from his promotional material. Nothing about how it was 
confirmed he was some sort of master, or independent sources. He seems to be a 
walking Australian Infomercial huckster. You can buy, for example, a 'Pet Food 
 Body Repair' discs for $150, looks like a really good profit margin. Pet Food 
 Body Repair Disc :: Products :: Spirit Repair
And http://www.spirit-repair.com/pdf/Food_Repair_Disc.pdf (for you humans)

What is it about spirituality that is always seems to drift in the direction of 
The Three Stooges level of maturity?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

How can you say that which is beyond all verbal description, risen above all 
concepts could be 'beyond god is the godhead' and that our ground of 'being is 
identical to the godhead' which as a concept is just shifting the idea of god 
up a notch and giving it a new name by demoting the 'god' name and replacing it 
with the 'godhead' name. If you are going to name things that cannot be 
conceptualised, why not give it a name that nobody can understand or figure out 
rather than one that has obvious personal, societal, philosophical, and 
religious connotations for most people? Even the basic idea of a 'ground' 
conveys common concepts, such as the stability of standing on earth rather 
than, say, falling off a cliff without a tether.
The mind can grasp experiences that cannot be explained verbally, but giving 
names with common pre-programmed associations certainly cannot be in the 
service of make such experiences credible. Such experiences have to be talked 
around, not at directly, by referring to them in multiple non-overlapping ways 
to keep the mind from hanging its hat on some single piece of nonsense. 
The more the mind is not locked into a particular idea, the more likely an 
experience will slip through one's delusions about such experiences. Otherwise 
you just promote a particular nonsensical facet of what is attempting to be 
conveyed. If you can describe a non-verbal experience in as many ways as the 
following list describes the concept of nonsense, perhaps you might better 
convey a sense, and only a sense to a mind that is interested in having such an 
experience. 
An experience that is non-verbal and cannot be described renders all words 
concerning it nonsense. Nothing you could say about it could possibly be true. 
In other words, if you really want to attempt such a feat you have to lie, lie, 
lie through your teeth with a confident smile of knowingness on your face as 
you con the person into the idea there is such a thing as enlightenment, or 
whatever similar idiocy you are trying to convey in as many ways as possible. 
It's reductionism in its worst form, trying to reduce an irreducible experience 
to a phrase someone thinks they understand. You do not want them to understand, 
you just want them to have the experience, you have to pull the ground out from 
under their feet. You have to throw them over a mental cliff from which they 
cannot recover.

| Word | Definition |
| ackamarackus | pretentious or deceptive nonsense |
| baboonery | foolishness; stupidity; nonsense |
| balderdash | nonsense; a jumble of words |
| ballyhoo | bombastic or pretentious nonsense |
| baloney | humbug; nonsense |
| bambosh | deceptive nonsense |
| bilge | lower point of inner hull of a ship; nonsense or rubbish |
| blague | humbug; pretentious nonsense |
| blague | pretentious nonsense |
| blarney | skilful flattery; nonsense |
| bletherskate | a garrulous talker of nonsense |
| brimborion | worthless nonsense; trash |
| bugaboo | loud or empty nonsense |
| buncombe | speech-making intended for the mass media; humbug |
| bunk | nonsense; humbug |
| bushwa | nonsense |
| cack | rubbish; worthless nonsense |
| claptrap | showy language designed to gain praise; nonsense |
| clatfart | idle chatter; nonsense |
| codswallop | something utterly senseless; nonsense |
| effutiation | twaddle; humbug |
| eyewash | humbug; something done merely for effect |
| fadoodle | nonsense |
| falderal | nonsense; meaningless refrain of a song |
| fandangle | pretentious tomfoolery |
| fiddlededee | nonsense |
| fiddle-faddle | trifling talk |
| flam | humbug; trickery |
| flannel | ostentatious nonsense |
| flapdoodle | gross flattery; nonsense |
| flimflam | nonsense; trickery |
| flummadiddle | nonsense; humbug |
| flummery | anything insipid; empty compliment; humbug |
| fribble | frivolous nonsense; a trifling thing or person |
| fustian

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM reaches the Orient...

2015-04-03 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
 circles 
much-anticipated followup to Lynch's Twin Peaks will never happen. The reason 
it will never happen is that Lynch will come up with excuse after excuse after 
excuse for why he can't supply the contracted-for scripts and will finally bail 
from the project. You heard it here first.  :-) 
  From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 3:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM reaches the Orient...
 
 I was just listening to an audio book version of War of the Worldviews in 
which Deepak Chopra and physicist Leaonard Mlodinow present essays of opposing 
viewpoints on various subjects such as science consciousness etc. I am 
surprised in a way that Chopra still sounds a lot like Maharishi, and has 
especially spongy thinking. Mlodinaw is sharp as a tack. In the audio book 
(which the authors are reading) you get a better idea of how they are regarding 
their subject matter. However which author's argument you prefer might be a 
function of how your brain has been preprogrammed. What is interesting in this 
exchange is Mlodinow is a real physicist and is not making any concessions to 
Woo and sloppy thinking.
I heard that the Westchester TM in their Spring Celebration showed a video of 
Bobby Roth interviewing Cameron Diaz, a TM meditator. What I find interesting 
is I recently watched a movie with Diaz, Bad Teacher, in which her character 
displays most of the worst characteristics of a human being, things the TM org 
would not allow any of their members to display in public, but which behind the 
scenes they do as a matter of course. As long as it provides a means to 
advertise TM the org will go for it. 
One could take David Lynch's films, most of which are dark, weird, and 
murderous as an example of what TM does for the creative mind. I wonder how 
many in the TMO have watched Lynch's films. I once mentioned one of his films 
to the governors running one of the facilities, and I was told I shouldn't 
watch it. So of course I did. It was brilliantly sick, the product of a truly 
deviant but very creative mind. I loved the film, but I think a lot of 
meditators, if they saw these things, would crawl out of the room totally 
disgusted. Of course young people who have not practised TM but are familiar 
with Lynch would probably find it intriguing that he is promoting meditation, 
as they would not be familiar with the weird internal world of the TM org.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Another definition of shill --
a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of 
self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty.
You have been conned into believing that Maharishi and the TMO deserve your 
loyalty.
Now think this through. If you -- after spending the countless hours, days, 
weeks, and years you have spent shilling for TM on the Internet over the years 
-- were to admit to having visited another spiritual teacher, just out of 
curiosity, how long do you think it would take the organization you've been 
shilling for to throw you under the bus?
The same length of time it took Maharishi to throw Jerry Jarvis under the bus 
when he refused MMY's orders to not pay the law firm that represented the TMO 
in the New Jersey court case, or shorter? The same length of time it took 
Maharishi to throw Chopra under the bus when *he* refused to do what MMY wanted 
him to do, or shorter? 




 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Great response. For the record, if I ever mention Deepak Chopra here, know that 
it is on the basis of the few -- VERY few -- net articles of his I have glanced 
at over the years. Color me not impressed. The analogy of sponge mind may be 
aiming too far up the evolutionary chain for me to agree with it. :-)
I missed him entirely in the TMO, having bailed years before he appeared and 
did his cometary flame-out. So when I say I think he's a mental midget, it's 
NOT because I am compulsively trying to dump on all things TM. I don't even 
*know* him in relation to TM. I think he's a mental midget because he speaks 
and writes like a mental midget. 
The Bad Teacher thing is amusing, and I take it as a writing prompt cue and 
will duly download that movie and watch it. I missed it as if wafted through 
the mediaverse, and will try to catch up to it now.  
I've waxed forth on my underwhelmedness about David Lynch here before, and 
don't feel the need to do so extensively again. I think he's a guy who *could* 
have been a true creative force in the cinema, but instead decided to settle 
first for being a critics' darling and then later for a guru's darling. 

Here's a prediction. No seeing involved, just watching trends and 
extrapolating from them. The much-discussed and in some circles 
much-anticipated followup to Lynch's Twin Peaks will never happen. The reason 
it will never happen is that Lynch will come up with excuse after

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Could it be...Satan?

2015-03-25 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
This discussion seems more about what you consider your moral compass to be, 
and that I should adopt your ideas about good and evil. While I have some sense 
of ethics, I have no moral compass. Good and Evil are in the eye of the 
beholder who thinks these ideas are real. I hold they do not exist except as 
concepts planted in the mind by others, or perhaps by oneself in an attempt to 
control the world in a way favourable to one's own continued existence (after 
all someone had to invent those ideas). I would, if possible avoid being taken 
by ISIS/ISIL, the best way being never to get near where they are. If they 
killed me, I am reasonably confident they would consider it a good deed, for 
them and the world, because that is how they see the world. After such a fact, 
I would have no opinion or say in the matter because my form, mind, etc., would 
be non-existent. Their way of thinking I consider a danger to others, and that 
a permanent way of eliminating that kind of thinking — The True Believer — 
would be advantageous for those outside a circle of such beliefs. There can be 
no such thing as a true belief, because a belief is the assumption, that 
such-and-such is true, without supporting evidence. Believing this way is a 
pretence of knowledge. You are pretending something is true. Direct knowledge 
of a fact is rather rare in human discourse. We have to rely on hypothetical 
thinking quite a lot, and inductive inference quite a lot, and if pressed to 
demonstrate the truth of what we say, most of us would be in a pretty sorry 
state.
  From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 1:24 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Could it be...Satan?
   
    Xeno,
This discussion is about good and evil and the role that you should play in it. 
 If the IS rebels captured you, do you think they'll be doing a good deed for 
you and the world?




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Could it be...Satan?

2015-03-25 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yeah, I know, but I have some time to kill. There was one hour segment on CNN 
last night on atheists, not very in depth, but evenly presented.

Examining the stigma of atheism - CNN Video

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 Famous atheists and their beliefs - CNN.com 
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  From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 6:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Could it be...Satan?
   
    From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

    How many people captured and executed by the Islamic State successfully 
fought off the result? Zero. You seem to have a disconnect between your 
thoughts and what happens in the world. 

Duh. You're wasting your time trying to reason with him, Xeno. It's like trying 
to reason with this guy. They think like this, and yet consider themselves 
good.

“Decapitate her head off”: Phil Robertson’s vile message to atheists

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having fun VIDEO |
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Re: [FairfieldLife] For you film buffs out there: 2001 in 70 mm

2015-03-19 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I saw 2001 in 1968 in San Francisco. I rather liked the film because it was 
largely visual. Kubrick was deliberately cool, showing how the human race, 
after a vigorous beginning, had all of its fervour sapped by its own 
technology, it had become jaded. One reviewer at that time said the film was 
about the evolution of man from ape to angel. The original premier was some 20 
to 30 minutes longer I hear, but the New York critics, always generally 
unfavourable to the creative enterprise, panned it. So Kubrick cut the film 
more tightly, and even then it was a long, silent film without much explanation 
for American audiences who tend to scientific illiteracy. I think the film was 
intended to inspire a certain wonder in the cosmos, and was a celebration of 
intelligence in the universe. I saw the film, again in 70mm, in New York City 
in 2001
Roger Ebert's review:
2001: A Space Odyssey Movie Review (1968) | Roger Ebert

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  From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 4:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] For you film buffs out there: 2001 in 70 mm
   
 I saw 2001 in 1968 at the Cinerama is Seattle. The print may have been 
70mm not the three strip Cinerama.  But I'm not a big fan of the film as it 
seemed a bit stiff and cold.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world

2015-03-19 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
 is 
absolute cooperation with the inevitable', and J. Krishnamurti said, 'Do you 
want to know my secret? I don't mind what is happening'. Adyashanti said the 
following about seeking enlightenment: 'Be forewarned, applying these teachings 
may be damaging to your beliefs, disorienting to your mind, and distressing to 
your ego. From the perspective of waking up to reality these are good things to 
be cultivated. From the perspective of ego they are to be avoided at all costs. 
The choice is entirely yours'.
So being challenged in this way is not such a bad thing. There was a discussion 
on The Peak awhile back, I think Buck used the term 'spiritual bypassing', 
which is using your spiritual belief set to avoid uncomfortable challenges. You 
use your ideas to dismiss an argument from consideration, or to avoid a 
situation rather than meet it head on, meeting these things outright would 
demonstrate you know what you are talking about rather than just believe what 
you are talking about superficially.
The ego is a kind of fiction, it is not your real self, so if a person's ego is 
challenged, it is not their 'true reality' that is being challenged, that 'true 
reality' is there all the time, it is only their fictitious reality that is 
being challenged. If you have to defend your position, that is probably your 
ego talking. To me, when someone responds to such a challenge, it is kind of 
like the challenge is taking a core sample of their mental geology, shows you 
what is underneath the surface façade, whether there is solid rock there, or 
just a lot of gas in a weak and porous substrate.
Or I guess, you mean something milder like just misrepresenting someone, (short 
of legal slander, I presume) just see how they respond?
I would think you'd have a better idea of a person's inner quality by engaging 
in a more civil conversation which often will have its own edginess.
Most beings - animals, humans, creatures typically don't respond well to being 
wronged, or hurt physically.
Even animals can be subjected to a sort of misrepresentation.  Typically that 
falls under the category of cruelty to animals
I guess I just find this statement of yours, which you've repeated often, 
curious.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

The Peak has had a few good conversations, but it is pretty sappy most of the 
time. When people are challenged, often in an unreasonable way, an unfair way, 
you get to see their real psychology come forth, and get a better sense of 
their level of knowledge and how they express it. When everything is nicey 
nicey, that knowledge stays hidden, so you cannot tell if it is there or not.




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[FairfieldLife] FFL/The_Peak

2015-03-19 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Since 18 March to now.
FFL, 122 posts
The Peak, 24 posts
(figures are minus the skewing factor of Richard's irrelevance)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world

2015-03-19 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
  From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 1:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
   
    Well, honestly, I find this rather fascinating, and really, hoping I can 
learn something from it.
This notion that if people are challenged in an unreasonable way it can turn 
into a teaching moment
On the other hand, maybe you have a point, and really I am not trying to be 
duplicitous here, but,
 would it be analogous to say, what the nazis did to prisoners, in terms of 
experiments like subjecting people to extreme heat, or extreme cold, or other 
tortureous experiments in the name of research.
The results of those experiments were useful to science.  Honestly, they were.
So, is it along those lines?
No
Or I guess, you mean something milder like just misrepresenting someone, (short 
of legal slander, I presume) just see how they respond?
I would think you'd have a better idea of a person's inner quality by engaging 
in a more civil conversation which often will have its own edginess.
Most beings - animals, humans, creatures typically don't respond well to being 
wronged, or hurt physically.
Even animals can be subjected to a sort of misrepresentation.  Typically that 
falls under the category of cruelty to animals
I guess I just find this statement of yours, which you've repeated often, 
curious.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

The Peak has had a few good conversations, but it is pretty sappy most of the 
time. When people are challenged, often in an unreasonable way, an unfair way, 
you get to see their real psychology come forth, and get a better sense of 
their level of knowledge and how they express it. When everything is nicey 
nicey, that knowledge stays hidden, so you cannot tell if it is there or not.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world

2015-03-18 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
The X-Originating-IP only tells us where the message first arrived, it seems. 
As for koans, here is one:
'A nun who was searching for enlightenment made a statue of Buddha and covered 
it with gold leaf. Wherever she went she carried this golden Buddha with 
her.Years passed and, still carrying her Buddha, the nun came to live in a 
small temple in a country where there were many Buddhas, each one with its own 
particular shrine.The nun wished to burn incense before her golden Buddha. Not 
liking the idea of the perfume straying to the others, she devised a funnel 
through which the smoke would ascend only to her statue. This blackened the 
nose of the golden Buddha, making it especially ugly.'
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   From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 4:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
   
    From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 5:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
   
    I couldn't match the IP addresses in the ak_ak post header with anything 
Jim has sent, but I am about to have lunch, so I didn't try very hard. It is 
kind of interesting that Jim, directly addressing Barry using the 
reverse_archery handle says he meant never to interact with Barry again, but in 
order to send the message directly addressed to Barry in the post, he did 
interact. 
It's a koan, Xeno. We who are lesser-evolved than Jim (as he has told us SO 
many times) are supposed to ponder it until we become as enlightened as he is.  
:-)  :-)  :-)  




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world

2015-03-18 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
You have had a difficult day? Gosh, what is meditation coming to? I am not 
holding Jim to any standard. I am just pointing out he said one thing, but did 
another. If I had the power to hold him to some standard, he would not be able 
to break his word. The fun is people are erratic. It means you can play with 
their foibles (or ignore them). The secret to keeping your word is to never 
give it. We are too spongy and soft to act like inerrantly like vengeful gods 
who can never be crossed, or else. There are those of us who try. Barry is 
actually pretty consistent this way. Ah, to create a hell that would truly 
terrify people into compliance with some stupid, stupid rule. Tax collectors 
and legislators and rulers of countries have a tendency to fall in this 
direction, as do religions.
I did not intend to convict Jim, a simple lynching without justice would have 
sufficed. But that is just on FFL; on The Peak, he has installed himself as 
Chief Magistrate, top of the food chain, and there, I wonder whether some 
misstep of mine will coerce him to send me to the outer void someday. But on 
FFL, he is just another piece of prey in the jungle, like the rest of us. FFL 
is like the world, and The Peak is like TM. You can go to The Peak to rest (an 
old folks home for the spiritually timid), and when you want to evolve, you 
need a bit of resistance, so you can come over here to FFL, for exercise, to 
put it into action.



   

   From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 7:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
   
    First, thank you xeno for giving a me a smile and a chuckle in what has 
been an otherwise difficult day.
Second, I certainly can't argue with you.
On the other hand, (and maybe I'm not able to give you comments sufficient 
thought),  the world operates better when we give one another a little space.
In the current example, yes, Jim did interact with Barry.
In a court of law, sometimes the lawyer will demand a simple yes, or no.
But, without an explanation, you can't really get to the nuances of a case, 
which may make quite a difference.
I find it rather comical that you would seem to hold Jim to this strict 
standard, or definition of interaction when, really, that's not how the real 
world works, except in legal contracts.
And even then, there can be different interpretations.
So, I find it perfectly acceptable that Jim would see fit to correct a 
misconception.
Whether his buttons were pushed, I have no idea.
I really wouldn't think so.  It seemed that all he wanted to say was, it 
wasn't me, Barry, and have a good day
If you want to convict him on this basis, have at it.  (-:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

As I pointed out in another post awhile back, being accused of something one 
did not do has a tendency to push peoples buttons. It does not matter if the 
misconception was deliberate or not. The main thing is if you say one thing and 
do another, it's hypocritical. A rule has an exception if, 1) it's not a rule.
Humans are too weak to create authentic rules. What we conceive as being laws 
of nature (not the TMO kind) might be ironclad enough to be called a rule, like 
how gravity operates.
What is the rule that you follow in writing posts with short sentences spaced 
apart. What are you typing on? There are such things as paragraphs. When you 
are in a nice mood, you follow the spirit of the law, and when not, you just 
hang the bastard, innocent or guilty.
How can you correct a misconception one has without interacting with them?
INTERACT = act in such a way as to have an effect on another. You cannot have 
that effect if you do not make contact, you are trying to redefine a word just 
like Judy did. I really miss Judy. She made this place a hell worthy of 
interaction.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :


xeno, fyi, to the rest of the world, what Jim did was just correct a 
misconception.
for you and Barry, and perhaps a few others to interpret this as interacting 
with Barry makes for a rather weak case.
maybe you are trying to run the routine you did with Judy, on which she bit so 
hard.
that was rather comical.
but, then again, perhaps you don't understand that exceptions are made for any 
rule, self imposed, or not.
so, just to repeat, correcting an misconception, is not the same as interacting 
with someone.
get a consensus, if you have a question about this.
or take a step back and realize there is the letter of intent, and the 
spirit of intent.
this distinction is a cornerstone of our legal system, btw.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

I couldn't match the IP addresses in the ak_ak post header with anything Jim 
has sent, but I am about to have lunch, so I didn't try very hard. It is kind 
of interesting that Jim, directly addressing

Re: [FairfieldLife] Meet the Ancestor!

2015-03-05 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
In the past day or so there have been 30 posts to FFL and 8 to the Peak. Since 
I am on both forums, I redid my email, sorting them into FFL and Peak folders, 
and one particular poster also on both goes directly to the trash, so these 
figures here represent everyone else. The intellects here are much more likely 
to jump on inconsistencies and sloppy thinking here. There have been a few 
conversations of note on the peak, but mostly it is kind of tepid with a halo 
of woo fluff. Without a challenge the mind gets soft. Right now there seems to 
be a conversation about Vernon Katz's new volume. While here I can wonder what 
percent of my DNA matched that of Australopithecus Afarensis, or whether Buddha 
would have liked coffee if he had had access to it. Here you can say what you 
really think. For example, watching Maharishi on tapes some 35 years ago, I was 
watching him pounding a flower against his face chuckling to himself and I was 
really thinking, is this guy some kind of saint or a daemon, it was like there 
was this experience of a dark thread running through that session. I have 
lately been reading a bit about sociopaths, and it certainly does not seem 
inconceivable that Maharishi was a sociopath considering the way he dealt with 
people and because of his incredible focus on getting what he wanted. There are 
certain features of sociopathy and states developed via meditation that cross 
over, and 'bad' socipathic traits might get enhanced by practice.
  From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 9:09 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Meet the Ancestor!
   
    From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

LOL. I was going to make the same comment.  :-)

I just took my first ever look at the Peak, it's a bit too anodyne for my taste 
but I totally get why they didn't like hanging around with us! I'm almost 
embarrassed at having actual opinions about things.

At least now you understand the irony I've been pointing out about The_Leak 
since its inception. People like Ann, Steve (seventhray), and Buck *claim* that 
they're there on The_Leak because it's higher vibe and they prefer that. But at 
the same time they make a surprising number of posts *about* FFL. And *in* 
those posts they make it clear that they still come to FFL and *read every word 
of every post made by the people they hated while they were here* -- you, me, 
and Michael. What's up with that, eh? The_Leak is higher vibe, but they can't 
get their rocks off without slumming at FFL?
Meanwhile, while claiming 28 members, the 107 posts made on The_Leak in the 
last week were primarily made by 5 people, with another 4 contributing one 
each. Compare and contrast to contentious and abyss-mal Fairfield Life, which 
during its last full week contained 321 posts, made by 18 people, with another 
8 contributing one post each. (And in fact -- and to counter your assertion 
that they don't like hanging around with us -- three of The_Leak members 
posted more *here* on FFL than they did there.)

I stand by my original predictions -- I don't see The_Leak surviving. I see it 
headed for the same fate as the similarly anodyne BATGAP messages forum, which 
still nominally has 116 members, but which had ZERO posts last week. Statistics 
don't lie -- there simply is no lasting market for namby-pamby. 
What's going to be fascinating is how Jimbo is going to try to spin things when 
The_Leak fails and he comes back here seeking his attention fix. Now THAT is 
going to be entertaining.  :-)


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

2015-02-16 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
They modified the plant to stop producing an enzyme that makes the apple to 
turn brown. Just think, if we could do that to people, we could stop 
discrimination based on skin colour. I would not worry though, humans are 
exceptionally creative in finding things for disliking other people. There are 
many ways to produce 'new' organisms. With genetic engineering one can mimic 
things like cross breeding, or (and this is where the real potential for danger 
comes in) mimic natural mutation, or inserting genes from other species, or 
creating entirely synthetic genes. I think a glow in the dark 'spiritual' gene 
that activates when a person believes a spiritual philosophy with too great a 
percentage of gullibility would help identify people one might want to avoid, 
as the conversation with such would tend to be repetitive without progress. Not 
of much use here though.
  From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 5:37 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US
   
    Just what you've been waiting for: an apple that doesn't turn brown. 
GMO labeling needs to be federally mandated.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/business/gmo-apples-are-approved-for-growing-in-us.html?_r=1

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

2015-02-16 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Even hybrid seed producers use a tactic of creating seeds that do not perform 
well if the seeds from the crop are used, protecting their investment. The 
problem with poorer countries with GMO crops is just this — sharing seeds, or 
using seeds harvested from GMO crops. However GMO seeds from GMO crops are used 
under license. Monsanto says they have sued 147 farmers out of 325,000 
customers in the United States for patent infringement. I personally think GMO 
crops could have potential dangers, but the TMO doesn't want them because they 
want to sell their mumbo-jumbo farming techniques, which so far do not seem to 
have any kind of scientific track record for improved yield or food quality or 
cost benefits over conventional organic farming techniques.
I also think lack of diversity will be a big problem. This happened even before 
GMO technology, or even hybridising crops because we select what we like to eat 
and want to grow it without a lot of trouble.
   

   From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 7:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the 
US
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

Thing is companies do this geneticmodification because they are desperate for 
making money.  And ifthey don't do it then someone else will and then 
theirstockholders will be in an uproar.  The real beast is capitalism.
Exactly. I think the thing that worries me most about GMO's is that the world 
food supply ends up in the hands of bio-tech companies. Farmers in the third 
world have already been sued for sharing last years seeds among themselves 
rather than buying new ones from the manufacturer, along with the pesticides 
they are designed to work with.
Keeping food strains strong via interbreeding by sharing seeds will be a thing 
of the past in our brave new monoculture world.


On 02/16/2015 11:33 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxiusanartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

  They modified theplant to stop producing an enzyme that makes the appleto 
turn brown. Just think, if we could do that topeople, we could stop 
discrimination based on skincolour. I would not worry though, humans 
areexceptionally creative in finding things for dislikingother people. There 
are many ways to produce 'new'organisms. With genetic engineering one can 
mimicthings like cross breeding, or (and this is where thereal potential for 
danger comes in) mimic naturalmutation, or inserting genes from other species, 
orcreating entirely synthetic genes. I think a glow inthe dark 'spiritual' gene 
that activates when a personbelieves a spiritual philosophy with too great 
apercentage of gullibility would help identify peopleone might want to avoid, 
as the conversation with suchwould tend to be repetitive without progress. Not 
ofmuch use here though.
  From:Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent:Monday, February 16, 2015 5:37 PM
Subject:[FairfieldLife] Oh great! GMO apples approved forgrowing in the US

 Justwhat you've been waiting for: an applethat doesn't turn brown. 
GMO labeling needs to be federallymandated.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/business/gmo-apples-are-approved-for-growing-in-us.html?_r=1




 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last rites

2015-02-12 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
While I have no memories of past lives that I would consider valid, death does 
seem like it would be an interesting experience to face, experiencing what 
comes up as it approaches, if it does not come unexpectedly, in which case 
anticipation or curiosity would be rendered moot. I am finding as time goes on, 
I do not look back much any more, and also I do not look forward much any more 
either, the sense of anticipation is extremely low at this point. I do have to 
make make financial decisions, which requires I do think about such things, but 
I do not get excited about new stuff any more except rarely. If a new movie 
comes out, I don't care any more, and if I die before it comes out on DVD or 
Blu-ray, it is not going to be a loss. There are more things to see than I 
would every be able to see. So except for logistical planning, life more and 
more centres on the current moment. And if the current moment involves death, 
well, no one really has much to say about that at that moment, do they?
  From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 6:29 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last rites
   
    I feel the way I do about the notion of reincarnation because of personal 
experience 'remembering' previous lives and even 'remembering' the transit 
through the Bardo between death and rebirth. 

At the same time, I know that these 'memories' may be false, so I don't know 
fersure what will happen at the moment of death. I've said this many times -- 
if it turns out that death is like the switching off of a light switch and 
there is only blackness, then there will be no me to be disappointed, or to 
even register the disappointment. 

So for now I'm going to go with looking forward to what comes next, because 
that strikes me as the best way to live one's life at ANY moment, not just 
one's last. 

But as for trying to link the notion of God to reincarnation, that's your 
hangup, not mine. Millions of Buddhists believe in reincarnation without having 
to believe that there is a God. The two concepts are not related in any way. 

 

 From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 4:01 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last rites
   
    Re it's the end of the day here in sunny CA:

Ah! The sun! It's been a while since I saw that here in London.
I'm not irritated, never mind over-irritated. I do find it odd though that 
Barry believes he's got an immortal soul and yet scoffs at the idea of God. 
How anyone could suppose that a materialist-naturalistic account of life could 
justify belief in a post-death existence is beyond me.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote :

Goodness, don't you think you're getting a tad over-irritated? I know my 
response is the trigger, not the cause of your over-the-top reaction, but 
still...relax. 

Yep, I could have been clearer. So, here's my corrected response to anartaxius' 
comment:

You have not defined what it means for 'looking forward' to work. Looking 
forwardto what comes next does not require that there is a 'next' for 
lookingforward to work. 

I'm not sure why I'm going to this trouble because I don't think you will be 
able to understand the logic and/or the underlying assumptions in my response. 
But, heh, it's the end of the day here in sunny CA...


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :

Re Looking forward to what comes next does not require that a next to exist 
for looking forward to work. :
WTF?! Is English not your first language? 
Barry presumably believes that his good self will carry on existing in some 
future state. If that strikes one as unlikely then looking back on one's past 
and only life seems a reasonable way to spend one's last moments no?


Barry is also caricaturing Robert Anton Wilson's sense. RAW clearly wasn't 
thinking of people he may have wound up on a Yahoo groups site (few of those 
will be shedding tears tonight) but of former friends he'd perhaps let down or 
loved ones he'd fallen out with. He wanted to get reconciled with those he'd 
personally and intimately interacted with and so felt were a significant part 
of his identity.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote :


You have not defined what looking forward to work means. Looking forward to 
what comes next does not require that a next to exist for looking forward to 
work. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

This would not work if there is no next.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

The notion of spending my last moments concerned what others thought of me and 
hoping for them to forgive me doesn't appeal to me. What I hope for at the 
moment of death is a sense of expectation and looking forward to what

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How does one decide if a person's testimony is valid?

2014-12-20 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Duveyoung, comments in your text, below.
  From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 1:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How does one decide if a person's testimony 
is valid?
   
    Anartaxius -- gunna devil-advocate on yer buns.  Gunna be snarky N the 
worm turns funzies.  Just to see what I can getcha to pony up about why your 
authority in these matters, well, matters.
Who says I have any authority in these matters? All I do is basically talk 
about how I experience the world

You speak as I do when I'm really doing my mad-poet high-stepping -- dead 
certain of everything -- only I do it with a jester-wearing-a-hat costume, and 
you come across as professorial with a jaunty mortar board hat.
I have never worn one of those hats. If I sound professorial, then it would 
appear I just have a boring pedantic writing style.

Well, listen to my screeching from the back of the room below, and let's us 
just see what can be seen.  Please take my attack, yes, attack, in the spirit 
of those English Parliament debates where the other party yells in the most 
raucous, rude, and in your face manner...only this time I'll feign some 
low-life kinda-Bronx accent.with an imagined voicing not unlike a delivery 
by Groot.   (But, actually I'm still angry at Curtis for ripping me apart like 
this a few weeks ago...I'm just his fanboy trying to impress him...hee hee.}
I am glad I have never had to argue with Curtis.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

Yes, no longer mutually exclusive. I think it is basically a teaching 
technique. 
I think.  I think.  Hm.  Either way, if you're using the word I or 
think then, we're talking about processes of a human nervous system, and that 
seems, dang it, ever so iffy -- maybe even, error prone, maybe even bullshit.  
Please clear this up for us.  The rest of your statement kinda depends on it.  
An I seems to have the power to think -- I'm chewing on this, but it's 
flavor is kinda like gum from under a seat.
As I said in a previous post, I THINK it is a teaching technique. Teaching is 
basically highlighting diversity and then connecting diversity. Say sharpening 
a pencil. You need a pencil, and something to sharpen it with. Two things. A 
person needs to know what a pencil is, and what a sharpening device is. The 
sharpening device could be a knife, or a dedicated device which we call a 
pencil sharpener. Then you demonstrate how the two go together to sharpen the 
pencil. To expand knowledge, you can use the pencil sharpening demonstration by 
analogy to other areas of life, say, sex. There are certain things that are 
similar, sticking one thing in another, torque, etc.
Regarding the use of the word 'I'. It is a bundle identifier, it refers to a 
mammilian body, with limbs, eyes, etc., that has a certain location in 
space-time, and functions in certain ways. It has other identifiers, such as 
'Xeno'. You have never seen this however, you just see text on a screen 
probably. A collection of certain specific parts, such as windshield, chassis, 
tyres, wheels, engine (which is also a collection of parts) we can call a car. 
That the collection of limbs, and eyes, and thoughts that has the tag Xeno does 
not imply that there is something in that collection that is an 'I', a special 
sort of entity that is called a 'me'. Mathematically a collection equals the 
sum of its parts, not more. A collection can have some kinds of functionality 
as a whole that single parts may not have. A hammer plus a human can drive a 
nail into a piece of wood which it could not do by itself, but the hammer and 
the human are not intrinsically more in themselves as a result of that 
temporary alignment.
As Nisargadatta said, it forces a person to look within if all they know is 
thinking and doing. The 'within' really is not a separate place in the 
universe, 
You know it's a not separate place how?  Because I amuse you?  WaitI mean: 
Because YOU'RE a Nisargadatta devotee of many decades or what?  Can ya scurry 
up a quote for us.  I ask, cuz you used the word said.  Which I take meant 
wrote via translator/transcriber of pristine merit not I heard him in his 
original language and I know that language perfectly or I have studied at his 
feet.  See the problem here with this kind of use of words by you?  

This is simply a matter of definition. The universe contains all. Physical, and 
if you like, awareness. It is defined this way, nothing outside, the concept of 
outside being nonsensical, and therefore there is no separate place. The mind's 
conceptualisation creates separation, this and that, within the matrix of the 
universe. A brick is not a horse, or 'I' am this special unique thing inside 
this body — but that is just an idea created by thought and the meaning of and 
relation of words one to another, and the way the mind connects them to 
experience.
As for Nisargadatta, I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How does one decide if a person's testimony is valid?

2014-12-19 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Duveyoung, I was replying to this and Yahoo managed to not save most of my 
draft, so I am having to reconstruct about 2/3 of what I had already written in 
response, and I had a business trip this afternoon, so my memory is no longer 
fresh, so if you expect a reply from me, you will have to wait a bit more, a 
few days I think. A devil's advocate is always the best adversary, unless of 
course we are on the same side there.
   

   From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 1:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How does one decide if a person's testimony 
is valid?
   
    Anartaxius -- gunna devil-advocate on yer buns.  Gunna be snarky N the 
worm turns funzies.  Just to see what I can getcha to pony up about why your 
authority in these matters, well, matters.  

You speak as I do when I'm really doing my mad-poet high-stepping -- dead 
certain of everything -- only I do it with a jester-wearing-a-hat costume, and 
you come across as professorial with a jaunty mortar board hat.  

Well, listen to my screeching from the back of the room below, and let's us 
just see what can be seen.  Please take my attack, yes, attack, in the spirit 
of those English Parliament debates where the other party yells in the most 
raucous, rude, and in your face manner...only this time I'll feign some 
low-life kinda-Bronx accent.with an imagined voicing not unlike a delivery 
by Groot.   (But, actually I'm still angry at Curtis for ripping me apart like 
this a few weeks ago...I'm just his fanboy trying to impress him...hee hee.}
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

Yes, no longer mutually exclusive. I think it is basically a teaching 
technique. 
I think.  I think.  Hm.  Either way, if you're using the word I or 
think then, we're talking about processes of a human nervous system, and that 
seems, dang it, ever so iffy -- maybe even, error prone, maybe even bullshit.  
Please clear this up for us.  The rest of your statement kinda depends on it.  
An I seems to have the power to think -- I'm chewing on this, but it's 
flavor is kinda like gum from under a seat.

As Nisargadatta said, it forces a person to look within if all they know is 
thinking and doing. The 'within' really is not a separate place in the 
universe, 
You know it's a not separate place how?  Because I amuse you?  WaitI mean: 
Because YOU'RE a Nisargadatta devotee of many decades or what?  Can ya scurry 
up a quote for us.  I ask, cuz you used the word said.  Which I take meant 
wrote via translator/transcriber of pristine merit not I heard him in his 
original language and I know that language perfectly or I have studied at his 
feet.  See the problem here with this kind of use of words by you?  


it is made to seem that way at first to break the habit of looking without. 

Nisargadatta told you this?  Again I ask, cuz, man, authority is dripping off 
of this statement, and it's a statement that is shockingly different from 
anything specific that Nisargadatta SEEMS to have said in the books that I have 
read.  Hm.  I think we have a case of you interpreting and me interpreting, 
and now I gotta ask ya why you come across as it's so obvious about this 
thing.  I'm not a smart person, but I try harder.  Let us all know just what 
you're saying here.  Are you enlightened or what?  If you're hinting at it like 
this, I've got a basket of rotten veggies back here, ya know?

But then at some point you have to connect the inner and outer viewpoint that 
has been constructed and consciously take down the mental and experiential 
barrier that seems to exist between inner and outer. 

And everyone understands exactly what your words mean because . . . ?   Cuz, 
hey, I don't know JACK SHIT about this connecting skill you're suggesting is 
to be humanly used.  God might be able to do that, but . . . So? What exactly 
happens?  
Does the ego get the two databases together and say, Now all you fuckers 
inside the skull gotta understand the outsiders are the same as you here 
insiders, so leave off with that outer guys are other guys shit, and you outer 
guys with all your snooty but we're physical shit gotta stuff that crappola 
and see that you are merely reflections of the inners.   Is it something like 
that?  Does the ego just up and finally take the reins of the whole spectrum of 
experiencing and TAKE CHARGE?  Where's is the volition you seem to believe can 
be COMMANDEERED to do this kinda micro-neuron-level restructuring?  I gotta 
know, cuz that's some crazy shit -- and I'm interested.

It is curious that even after decades of meditation, some people 
SOME people, eh?  Meaning my decades of inquiry were for naught?  I got low 
esteem here, so naturally everything's my fault, so with a knee jerk like that, 
I gotta push back and be brave enough to challenge you.  I think you're saying 
your KEN, your wisdom is deeper, more clear, more

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye

2014-12-06 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Buck, a common definition of the word insanity is doing the same thing over 
and over again and expecting it to come out differently. This phrase has been 
attributed to various people such as Benjamin Franklin and Albert Einstein. 
However, whoever wrote it, it does seem to apply to your clinical case as your 
desire to alter the character of Fairfield Life has failed 100% of the time. A 
clear demonstration of the total lack of support of natural law. You could 
devote your time to a more worthy cause, anything that might have a slim chance 
of success, such as saving frogs from extinction.
By the way, most of us here are experiencing a lot of silence, so we do not 
need to stifle Fairfield Life in order to get some. Go over to The Peaked and 
you should experience some silence over there as you would likely have to hold 
your tongue. Here it is freedom of ideas, freedom of expression to a very large 
degree, freedom to be sceptical and questioning, freedom to test ideas and see 
if they hold up under scrutiny. You want to be like Joseph Stalin. He underwent 
training as a priest for half a decade, so he was well prepared to enforce lack 
of dissent when he came to power in Russia. Saddam Hussein idolized Joseph 
Stalin too. Do you really want to be like these guys?.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or 
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or  abridging the freedom of speech, or 
of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition 
the government for a redress of grievances.

Those are basically the rules under which Fairfield Life conducts is business.
Why then 'tis none to you; for there is nothing either good or  bad, but 
thinking makes it so. —Shakespeare
  From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 2:51 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - 
Goodbye
   
     Rick, it would be very good to extendsuch a suspended silence upon FFL 
even unto the first day of Spring...
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Nabby's Exit

2014-12-03 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
If the subject was so despicable, why do people keep bringing it up? It was 
past history. They can stay over on that other   namby pamby forum, with its 
phallic symbol (a peak). He could not resist one last chance to spread his 
paedophile interests. This site is for the nitty gritty of spiritual growth, 
not for esoteric mystical nonsense. A wise decision to unsubscribe, this place 
is not for weak minds, the emotionally overwrought, and those that see snakes 
for ropes at every turn. You are as you obsess. Except for Share and Richard, 
the subject would seem to be closed here days ago.
 

 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 4:36 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Butt-Fucking-Babies
   
     who's idea was concieved in the sick mind of the Turq and written in a 
post here on FFL caused many to leave. Later he tries to wriggle himself out of 
the net by making ridicelous claims that Dutch police is investigating or 
watching American and German posters on an American blog. The fact is that 
these posters didn't want to be on the same list as a pervert and left. It 
would be to insult the intelligence of others here to believe that they buy the 
idea that Dutch police have the time or interest of investigating foreign 
nationals when the sick poster is living in Holland, right in their midst. The 
Turq is lying about the so-called cop in the same way as he has been lying 
about lurking reporters and a host of other issues. But who's to blame him, 
he's living such a pityful excistence that he has to make things up to appear 
as ANYTHING else than the scumbag he is.As expected some posters here have 
tried to bury the fact that the Turq posted what he did, Sally in a sea of 
sceptisism and irony, Bhairitu in a sea of self aggrandisement, anartaxius in a 
sea of words and Michael Jackson in a sea of profanity. As expected.As was the 
fact that Rick Archer did nothing so far. After all it was his idea to create a 
forum for dumping on all things TMO and with most of the sane people gone he 
certainly got what he wanted. That he has allowed pedophiliac ideas to be 
expressed on this forum without taking any action will be his cross to carry. 
He'll probably make some joke about that sentence in a future comment. But 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Puja Pictures™

2014-12-03 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I heard that Francis Knight was asked to add M's image to the existing painting 
(while he was still alive) which I think she also painted, but if someone knows 
more, let me know.
  From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 6:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Puja Pictures™
   
    I'm not sure when this painting first appeared, except that I do not 
remember every seeing it -- either in its version with Maharishi or without -- 
up to the point when I bailed from the TMO. That is, 1977 or so. I'm pretty 
sure the first place I ever saw it or heard anything about it was here on FFL. 



 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 7:37 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Puja Pictures™
   
    
Did you have the tradition painting at your puja? I just had the GD portrait.
Come to think of it, we had a massive holy tradition painting without Maharishi 
in it at both academies I lived in. And I remember thinking the one with him in 
it was a bit rubbish when I first saw it. Like they'd added him in that pose to 
associate him with the others but in a fake devotional way rather than the I'm 
just as good as them way that they - and undoubtably he - liked to be thought 
of.
Or is my memory bad and he's always been there?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :

Well, we all know what the original painting that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 
commissioned to show his position within the Shankaran tradition looks like:

http://www.meru.ch/uploads/images/Vedic+Tradition.jpg

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Here's the version used by students of Thom Knoles when they teach Vedic 
Meditation:
There will be no levitating. Expect no unicorns.

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meeting with Matt was another one-on-one. Matt warned me that there would be a 
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And here's the version used by devotees of Sri Sri Ravi Shankar:
http://bawandinesh.name/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/guru-parampara1.jpg

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No violation of copyright obviously, even though the original painting was 
commissioned BY Maharishi and was his own design, from what I understand.


  

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Richard and Share

2014-12-01 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Share, I did not listen to the Hammond event. I have been reading Curtis' 
reports. I am basically ignoring Hammond because I do not think he is all 
there. Richard however is pointlessly prolonging this thing about Barry, 
already long past. Like Barry has expressed, I think Richard has sucked you 
into his world and that you do not have sufficient discrimination to see what 
is happening. Barry can be mean, no doubt of that, but Richard is wallowing in 
it in a very unhealthy way. FFL is for adults but not an 'adult site' in the 
way that term is normally pejoratively used and Richard is trying to skew the 
sense of what goes on here, which you seem to think is funny because you are 
air-headed in a good natured, but unperceptive way. I think of Richard as 
strangely devious. Barry is normally absolutely direct. I would much rather 
deal with Mr. Enlightened Flanegin than Richard because he is also direct in 
his clumsy and sometimes dismissive way. The only time I have seen you really 
sharpen up was when when you got in a huff over things Judy said to you and you 
responded like a normal human being. Your Pollyanna* act is hard to take 
sometimes.

*'Pollyanna is a best-selling 1913 novel by Eleanor H. Porter. The title 
character is named Pollyanna Whittier, a young orphan who goes to live in 
Beldingsville, Vermont, with her wealthy but stern and cold spinster Aunt 
Polly, who does not want to take in Pollyanna, but feels it is her duty to her 
late sister. Pollyanna's philosophy of life centers on what she calls The Glad 
Game, an optimistic attitude she learned from her father. The game consists of 
finding something to be glad about in every situation. It originated in an 
incident one Christmas when Pollyanna, who was hoping for a doll in the 
missionary barrel, found only a pair of crutches inside. Making the game up on 
the spot, Pollyanna's father taught her to look at the good side of things—in 
this case, to be glad about the crutches because we didn't need to use them!'
'With this philosophy, and her own sunny personality and sincere, sympathetic 
soul, Pollyanna brings so much gladness to her aunt's dispirited New England 
town that she transforms it into a pleasant place to live. The Glad Game 
shields her from her aunt's stern attitude: when Aunt Polly puts her in a 
stuffy attic room without carpets or pictures, she exults at the beautiful view 
from the high window; when she tries to punish her niece for being late to 
dinner by sentencing her to a meal of bread and milk in the kitchen with the 
servant Nancy, Pollyanna thanks her rapturously because she likes bread and 
milk, and she likes Nancy.'

As a result, it seems like you are escaping and avoiding when people like Barry 
are actually trying to connect with you in a positive way. I think you are the 
only one here where Barry has made a real attempt to genuinely break through 
that Pollyanna shell you project. I almost think it frustrates him. It's like 
at a carnival where you throw a ball, or some rings at a target and it is 
rigged so almost always, the ball bounces back or the ring misses and the prize 
is lost. Things thrown your way bounce off, but always with the feeling of 
superficial and inconsequential connection, as if you are not really there as 
an intelligence that apprehends and ascertains. Perhaps that is why you and 
Richard have linked up, because Richard does not seem to connect with anyone in 
a legitimate way. I sort of see why the mean girls club ragged on you so much. 
Seeing the good in everything is not the same as acting as if everything is 
good and of no consequential import. Seeing the good in everything is seeing 
and understanding how the universe flows and how those flows fit together, and 
sometimes that means seeing into the heart of darkness, and the places in our 
own mind we would rather not visit. But if we visit them consciously, we 
eventually sail past them into still, imperturbable waters.
Why not do the conversation with Richard in private where it is less likely to 
endanger FFL?  From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 9:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Richard and Share
   
    Xeno, Curtis has posted something very cool about the Hammond event. Why 
not focus on replying to that and simply ignore me and Richard? Wouldn't that 
be more logical?

 

 From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:33 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Richard and Share
   
    Maybe you should take this conversation over to the_Peak. We would prefer 
to discuss something more important here.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Richard, your second paragraph about turq posting all the porn he wants just 
had me laughing my head off. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 26-Nov-14 00:15:11 UTC

2014-11-26 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Share wrote: 'So Xeno, now that you've been corrupted into writing short posts, 
would you deem them also thin?' 
Because the universe may be perceived in pieces, all is corruptible; no thing 
is immune from being demeaned, truncated,  belittled, debased, degraded, 
despised, disparaged, abased, and detracted from. Those that that think they 
are incorruptible (Judy comes to mind) are not aware of their own human nature 
and the nature of the world.
A single brief post many does not make, Share. If you look at most posts by 
Fleetwood, they tend to be short. Barry on the other hand sometimes writes 
quite a bit. He may even write more than Fleetwood, but he normally collects 
his thoughts together and arranges them instead of shooting from the hip. The 
post count limit we used to have tended to force people to be a bit more 
coherent in their output. Whether or not you like what Barry writes, his output 
is more coherent and well thought out than Fleetwood's, because he is less 
impulsive. Fleetwood is also more dismissive, preferring not to delve into an 
issue he cannot be bothered with, and so he writes a quick dismissive note 
ignoring any points made. While Barry can be dismissive too, after all he does 
not read a lot of posts here, but he often goes into some detail why he thinks 
something is nuts.
The master here on FFL of often lengthy but usually irrelevant posting is 
Richard. When he gets going, no one can match Richard for pointless quantity 
and number of posts. It always seems to me that Richard is seeing what goes on 
FFL out the corner of his eye, but his mind is elsewhere with a different 
agenda (i.e., trolling) so the posts look as if they have something to do with 
a particular discussion but really do not have that much relevance. In my 
e-mail I have a Richard folder, and from time to time just mark them 'all 
read'. When I post, because I am a slow writer, and tend to length, I do not 
have time to read too many posts, maybe because I take too long to write them, 
and so cannot remain in any particular conversation for very long most of the 
time.
Thank you heartily for noticing that I am corruptible. There is a wonderful 
grit to corruption and graft, ill will and misunderstanding. It is the spice of 
life, and the greatest moments are when we can smooth over that roughness with 
a bit of harmony. Life then is not thin and drawn or empty. I do think before I 
write.
But if you are interested in brevity, take a gander at the following:
The Lost Art of Brevity by Mike Myatt
Do you ever grow weary of listening to the verbose, or reading the work of 
those that have issues with clear articulation? I certainly do…but fear not; 
the lost art of brevity is making a comeback. Those of you that know me have 
come to understand that I prefer to cut to the chase. I like to get to the root 
of an issue as quickly as possible. While I appreciate the great oratory skills 
of those who communicate using wonderful word pictures, or the academics who 
can wax eloquent while always using the best form of prose, I prefer my 
business communication to be quick and dirty. In the immortal words of Jack 
Webb: The facts ma'am…just the facts. In today's post I'll look at the 
benefits associated with the resurgence of brevity.
Let me begin clearly stating that it is not my goal to be perceived as a 
word-basher.  I appreciate anyone who has command of a great vocabulary, but I 
don't have time for a 30 minute explanation of something that could have been, 
and should have been, communicated in 2 minutes. Brevity is rare because it 
takes both skill and effort to simplify the complex. It's easier to remain 
ethereal, vague and ambiguous than it is to communicate with purpose and 
clarity. My message today is a simple one – refining your communications skill 
is well worth the effort. Don't be the person known for rambling on, be the 
person known for being articulate and to the point.
Probably the greatest example of the power of brevity comes from what is widely 
considered to be the greatest speech in American history: The Gettysburg 
Address. President Lincoln's speech was only 10 sentences long (272 words), 
and lasted less than a mere 3 minutes in length. Contrast Lincoln's brilliant 
example of the power of brevity with the keynote speech that day. The renowned 
orator Edward Everett preceded President Lincoln on the podium at Gettysburg. 
Everett's speech was an amazing two hours in length. He was after all the 
President of Harvard, but I digress…My question is this: which speech was more 
effective, and more memorable? Ah, the power of brevity…
The good news is that there are two big trends emboldening those of us who 
prefer brevity over other more irritating forms of communication. First is the 
time pressure for our attention. People simply don't have the time to listen 
to, or read, unnecessarily long forms of communication. The second trend is 
technology's recognition of the first trend. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened

2014-11-26 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Hey Nabby
I do not know if someone became enlightened whether that would shake Turq's 
core beliefs. We are not really certain of what his beliefs are, in particular 
because he claims he is only presenting opinions. Also Maharishi said 
techniques can only take you to what he called god consciousness. And, finally 
that real enlightenment (brahman) comes 'in time', that is, if it comes. 
Therefore no practice gets you enlightened, it just sets the stage and then it 
is a waiting game. Now I have practised a number of different techniques over 
the years, and each has done something to forward my experience. 
But the most interesting experiences and the experience of progress came from 
moments that did not happen while practising a technique. And though TM was the 
technique I practised most consistently over the longest period of time, it 
cannot be said in the end, which one produced what experience, all were 
involved. All the techniques produced an experience of silence, some were far 
more powerful than TM in producing short periods of intense silence. TM 
provided a consistent wearing away of certain sorts of obstacles to experience. 
I would credit it with a large portion the grunt work of wearing away delusion 
(which includes spiritual delusions as well). Unlike some here I am not adverse 
to TM, but I also think it does not work well for everyone.
I do know someone who I believe has only practised TM and who I regard as 
awakened. But then I also have known others who did some other things and not 
TM, who I also regard as awakened. Fleetwood would not be able to convince 
Barry he is enlightened as Barry regards him as a narcissistic bore. There are 
many things about enlightenment that Fleetwood ought to be able to understand 
and he doesn't seem to understand. Now that may be because he is not the most 
articulate person in the world describing his experience. For example that 
video on Buddha at the Gas Pump is not an example of subtlety of expression. I 
think Jim has had some sort of profound awakening experience, but is at least 
partly misinterpreting its significance, and he seems unwilling to discuss the 
matter further. But simply saying you are enlightened and are in silence is not 
a convincing way to go about it, particularly if you use it as a hammer to 
proclaim others' ignorance and low station on the spiritual ladder. Awakening 
alone is not enlightenment, a sometimes long period of assimilation and further 
refinement and adjustments in understanding follows. 
As for enlightened dawn, I have so far read the first month's worth of 
enlightened_dawn11's posts. It certainly sounds like Jim/Fleetwood attempting 
to be some other person. In that first month, 'dawn' did not say he/she was a 
woman. But some of the posters thought it was a she at first. Vaj first 
addressed the poster as 'Ms. Enlightened', and further on Barry used the 
pronoun 'her' in referring to Dawn. Dawn did not correct those impressions. 
Also Dawn referred to Vaj and Barry as 'Mr. Vaj' and 'Mr. B'. And Dawn brought 
up the idea that Barry was a bully, just like Jim does. 
I have not gotten further into all those exchanges, but there is, it seems to 
me, as far as I have got, that it was easy to get the impression Dawn was a 
woman and also, that with hindsight, Dawn was Jim, which was the conclusion 
that Barry came to eventually, and Dawn denied it back then when confronted. 
Jim posted to the forum the previous year under his own name, and returned as 
Dawn saying he/she was new to the forum. I have not looked at the final posts 
Jim made under his own name, or most of the posts that Vaj and Barry made to or 
about Dawn, so I still have an incomplete picture. This was three or so years 
before I came onto the forum. I let you draw a conclusion from this brief 
sketch. Digging this information out of the old files is difficult, but it is 
kind of interesting, but I have not read enough of it to be completely certain.
  From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 9:14 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
   
    As pointed out by several posters here, only the Turq believes Fleetwood 
posted as enlightened dawn. The truth of the matter is that anyone claiming 
enlightenment from TM shakes the Turq's core belief : If I didn't make it no 
one else can. He choose to forget that his shot at it was half-hearted and 
lasted only a few years. When someone like Fleetwood comes along he is reminded 
of a wasted life and as we can see in almost every post here these days, 
becomes so angry he makes things up to the degree he believes in it. Instead of 
angry at Fleetwood and Richard reminding this poor fellow of his wasted life he 
should be grateful. Though 70 years old he could still pick up his mantra and 
make something useful out of his remaining years. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

On 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 26-Nov-14 00:15:11 UTC

2014-11-26 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I said you were less impulsive, I did not say by how much. I included thus, 
sufficient wiggle room to allow your level of impulsiveness to be zero, and 
thus not an issue. As to being a better thinker and being more coherent, yes. 
If I knew you in person, I could evaluate humble, but otherwise, I do not give 
a crap as long as your output is provocative, profound, or entertaining. 
  From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 4:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 26-Nov-14 00:15:11 UTC
   
    Snipping out of respect for your forwarded dissertation on brevity:
  From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
Whether or not you like what Barry writes, his output is more coherent and well 
thought out than Fleetwood's, because he is less impulsive. 

Impulsiveness is really not the issue. 
My output is what it is because I am more coherent and a better thinker. 

Humble about it, too. 

:-)


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: All Beings Enlightened

2014-11-25 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
No, Buck, this is not what it means, it means people are directly seen as being 
in the enlightened state, not necessarily realised however. If this makes no 
sense, maybe some day it will.
  From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:15 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: All Beings Enlightened
   
    
Yes,in what we now know as spiritual 'field effect'. 

 Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome




anartaxius writes :

One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that moment 
he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his awakening'. 
The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically say the same 
thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as enlightened.
I presume Jim can clarify what this means.  #yiv1158574437 #yiv1158574437 -- 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: All Beings Enlightened

2014-11-24 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
No. Did MJ say that? I am having trouble connecting to FFL or my email about 
half the time. If it is spring, and the sun is shining and the birds are 
singing and were there apple trees bearing fruit (not likely in spring), and 
Jim did happen to walk on the sidewalk in that situation, then that would 
happen, but not because Jim walked on the sidewalk. I suppose enlightened 
people who do not teach or have experience teaching enlightenment would be very 
good at analysing others states (Jim excepted of course). Maharishi, if you 
consider him to be enlightened, when he started talking about biology and DNA 
seemed to be almost clueless as to what it was about. He had to learn, just 
like everyone else.
I heard a story from someone who used to be around Maharishi. Maharishi would 
meet people. A topic would come up and he would grapple with it. Then the next 
person came in to see him, and Maharishi would bring up that topic as a point 
of the discussion. That is a great way to familiarise yourself with something. 
I think the topic this person mentioned Maharishi discussed was chainsaws.
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One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that moment 
he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his awakening'. 
The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically say the same 
thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as enlightened.
I presume Jim can clarify what this means.
Do you also presume, as MJ does, that when Jim walks along the sidewalk the sun 
shines, the birds spontaneously burst into song and apple trees erupt in his 
wake in order to feed the world's starving? Or do enlightened people only have 
the ability to analyze other people's theories and give the ultimate synopsis?  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor

2014-11-19 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I think this brings up an interesting point. How does one define 
'enlightenment'. The most overreaching attempts include the entire universe as 
a connected unity, and that would imply simply that all that exists is what 
enlightenment is about. If you include everything you cannot define 
enlightenment as A, B, C minus some bad parts you do not like. So if, 
simplistically the universe is A, B, C, X, Y, and Z, you have to include them 
all. There is a phrase in Zen 'walk off with the farmer's ox, steal the blind 
man's food', which is an expression of unboundedness. This is kind of how the 
TMO behaves. From my perspective, enlightenment does not have any injunctions 
on behaviour in spite of advertisements to the contrary, all enlightenment does 
is reveal the connectedness of the universe, and if you want to be a 'good 
person', first you have to define what a good person is, and then you have to 
act that way, and that is a local phenomenon, an aspect of the universe far 
reduced from the whole. You could be enlightened and a criminal. If you listen 
to Charles Manson (I saw that picture online too), while he seems sort of 
crazy, he also often expresses unboundedness in his understanding of the world.
Religions, which presumably have some connexion with the idea of enlightenment 
have all these rules for governing behaviour, and the question one could ask 
is, if religion is so great and will straighten people out, why are these rules 
necessary? (and one could also ask why are the rules inconsistent between 
religions regarding behaviour). If you say god created the universe and the way 
it runs, then the universe is a serial killer. Like father, like son and 
daughter. Looking at religious figures, gurus, etc., one cannot conclude that 
these rules and enlightenment techniques substantially affect behaviour that we 
would call 'bad'. This issue of behaviour is one which we in civilised society 
do not seem to have much of a clue on how to solve, and all the methods we have 
invented to fix it have failed.
How do you traverse society without leaving mangled bodies, psychologically 
damaged bodies, emotionally damaged bodies,  in your wake? There does not seem 
to be a direct connexion with seeing the world as unbounded, and acting in it 
in a bound way unless there is an internal switch that pains you if you cause 
harm. Some people do not seem to have that switch (sociopaths and psychopaths), 
or a 'damaged' switch and have reduced empathy. Some people are crushed by 
having too much empathy. If you eliminate pain and suffering from your own 
life, will you care about others if life no longer pains you? There seems to be 
a variable in all this that is not accounted for and which does not seem to be 
affected much by the things people do in the hope of gaining enlightenment.
An example of unboundedness and unity from the Bible. Isaiah, in a literal 
translation (bolded are words in original Hebrew).
Except for me, there is no Elohim; I am forearming you, yet you do not know me, 
That they may know, From the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is 
no one apart from me; I am Yahweh, and there is no other.  Former of light and 
creator of darkness, maker of good and creator of evil, I, Yahweh, make all 
these.
Here you have all the darkness you would want emanating from the supposed 
source of creation (a great way to express narcissism too). There are similar 
passage in the Bhagavad-Gita. If everything, good and bad are integral in 
existence and are sourced from the same origin or have the same being, and we 
come to direct knowledge of that, what is to prevent us from being all those 
qualities that (some) people abhor?
Light is the left hand of darknessand darkness the right hand of light.Two are 
one, life and death, lyingtogether like lovers in kemmer,like hands joined 
together,like the end and the way.

                  —Ursula K. Le Guin

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FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 12:05 PM
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    From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

    The Zen trained Adyashanti had this to say about 'enlightenment success':
'When I looked around at the Buddhist tradition, I realized that the success 
rate was terrible. People were in it for enlightenment, but very few were 
actually getting enlightened. If this were a business, I thought, we'd be 
bankrupt.'
'I think it's unfortunate that a person can spend hour after hour, day after 
day, year after year, dedicating his life to enlightenment, and yet the very 
notion that anybody attains enlightenment is a taboo. We're all going after 
this; but God forbid somebody says they've realized it. We don't believe them, 
we're cynical, we have doubt; we go immediately into a semi- (or overt) attack 
mode. To me, it 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-28 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
These are really nice photos here. The composition is good. This is one of the 
first things poor photography lacks. These are also technically competent, 
which is fortunately much easier to achieve these days. I have put up a few 
snapshots occasionally but I tend to delete them after a while. I don't like 
things circulating on the Internet though for most of the things I have posted 
it probably would not matter that much. When I was younger I used black and 
white film, but now digital cameras shoot everything in colour even though some 
have black and white settings, it is better to convert digital colour to black 
and white after the fact when one has more control. Photographers should study 
art, and old paintings from all schools in my opinion. Composition is primarily 
a function of luminance forms which is basically black and white, masses of 
light and dark and grey. Colour is a secondary consideration in composition, 
like the icing on a well made cake.
 One of the main differences between photographers with lousy compositional 
skills is the difference between object-oriented or content oriented 
photography and image or field or framing oriented photography. In the former 
the 'shooter' focuses on some object they find interesting or a patch of 
colour. In the latter the photographer arranges all the elements of the scene 
in the bounding frame of the camera, he/she is not pointing at a specific 
object (even though there may be a primary subject, such as a portrait of a 
person), rather the relationship between the elements in the scene are 
consciously photographed, and this is a function of basic forms.   



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FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of 
mental illness
 


  
Thanks for clearing that up.  All beautiful and I guess if I had any smarts I 
would have noticed the style difference. Did you take the cloudy shot in black 
and white or desaturate it in Photoshop? I always wonder which is better.


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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :


Wow Richard, those are gorgeous. I'll bet in print they are even better.

Oops, I thought that would happen. Should have separated the four at the bottom 
and put my name on, just in case


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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :


On 10/27/2014 12:38 PM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:



 
I read somewhere on FFL you
were a photographer. Are you an artist or a hack (just
taking soulless pictures for money)? I do not believe
you have ever given us a sample of your work. I am sure
there are critics in the audience who would be glad to
evaluate your artistic ability.


I've been a subscriber
to this group for years and I've never been able to get anyone
to show their work, except for a few posted photos by Ann, a few
animations by Barry2, and a few sunset photos by Jim. I've
always assumed the only professional performer on this list was
Curtis. Rita and I both went to art school and have
worked as professionals for most of out lives as graphic artists
or designers. We look forward to seeing your work. 



Photograph by Richard J. Williams, 2013


Very nice. I like taking photos when I'm strolling about. But I aint no pro, so 
don't be getting harsh on me:


















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

2014-10-24 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Life long atheists cannot commit apostasy for there never is, nor was, anything 
for them to abandon.

Apostasy (/əˈpɒstəsi/; Greek: ἀποστασία (apostasia), a defection or revolt) 
is the formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of a religion 
by a person. One who commits apostasy (or who apostatizes) is known as an 
apostate.


If 'spiritually, people should speak the sweet truth', what should they speak 
non-spiritually? Maybe they should just speak the truth instead of lying. 
Spiritual people divide themselves from the rest of mankind, and each other, so 
presumably they would speak with less rancour than the rest of us, except that 
is not what we observe.



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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 11:32 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
 


  
Ditto,


Spiritually, people should speak the sweet truth.


Saha Nav,


 satyam bruyat, priyam bruyat  
speak the truth, speak sweetly
na bruyat satyam apriyam | 
don't speak truth in an unloving way
priyam ca nanritam
bruyat  
don't speak untruth in a pleasant way
esha dharmah sanatanah
||   this
is the eternal law 


Or, TM Saha Nav: never do we speak negativity, never do we denounce anyone,

http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/365694 

Apostasy is just wrong thinking clearly getting over
the line.  Or as the Shakers would have said in their way, Out of Union with 
the Gospel.
-Buck  



An apostate of course is
different from someone just being a critic. The critic, who as a
satisfied and regular practitioner may offer some criticism as in
a state of critique.  Such critique is then also quite different in
grade from those others being more negative and then again from
states of pernicious negativity advocacy, like those people who are
both quitters and haters in method.  That becomes a pretty clear sign
of someone who has fallen in to TM apostasy. 
We should be mindful and
clear about this as we filter our reading and interacting with our fellow 
community members
here.  That is justly good and sound subtle spirituality.   Yes, like
considering the source of posts I certainly sort my incoming mail
accordingly.  Om we should have, we could have better sorted the FFL
membership here accordingly from way back with more aggressive
moderation against the apostaic spam of outright apostasy here.
Posting on FFL should be held a privilege and not just some right.
Saha Nav,
-Buck, a Satisfied Customer by the Practise of Maharishi's Transcendental 
Meditation Programme   


Yes, that 'Disaffiliation';   Friends, for any of us we certainly know an 
apostate when we see one.
For instance, with The Science of Creative Intelligence of which TM
is the practical application.  Seeing as US jurisprudence judges SCI
to be a Religion it would not be a stretch to say that people who
would renounce TM just by dropping or quitting the practice of said
meditation and who then promote publicly against TM with an advocacy
of negativity are in fact in an apostate state: apostate, as
apostates in apostasy.  Q.E.D., TM Apostates.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:


As I'm pretty sure both Xeno and Barry know, apostasy is not limited to 
defection from a religion. One can become an apostate from any previous 
loyalty.


 'Apostasy is the formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation 
 of a religion by a person. One who commits apostasy is known as an 
 apostate.' 
 
  As I never was the member of any religion, I cannot ever be correctly 
 accused of apostasy. As the TM org claims it is not a religion, so no 
 one can ever be correctly accused for disafilliating or abandoning TM as 
 apostasy (unless of course the TM org is lying about that claim). 

It's an NPD Thang, Xeno. If you've convinced yourself that the POV held by 
your self is true, and that any POV that contradicts it is is untrue, 
then you get to make up the rules. There is absolutely *no problem* with 
declaring someone an apostate from an organization that you declare is not 
a religion. :-)

It's a lot like having an argument in which there is only one participant 
-- the person trying to start the argument -- and then declaring one's self 
the winner. :-)

Narcissistic Personality Disorder really *does* explain almost all of the 
aberrant behavior we see on FFL. I would suggest that this mental disorder 
is the true legacy of Maharishi's teachings. 










:-)




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I think you hit on something here I never considered. Social interaction. I do 
not think there is any objective measure by which one considers such 
experiences valuable. There are certain things I like, certain things I do not, 
and I go for the ones I like. While I do not know why, those things I like I 
sometimes like to share with others. A piece of music, a movie. Why did you 
post about Bruce Cockburn's music, his book? I am not sure there is any 
reliable objective measure why one likes something other than a general 
propensity to avoid pain and to maintain comfort. Now if you recall Maharishi 
said the mind seeks a greater field of happiness. Because he was hawking TM, he 
skewed the concept to correspond with his metaphysic (the transcendental field, 
the unified field). You do not need a field. Basically I think it comes down to 
you like stuff, and don't like other stuff. The rationalisations come later. If 
there is any objective evidence for that
 previous sentence it might be split brain experiments. When one side of the 
brain of people with this condition are asked to explain why the other side of 
the body did something, it makes up an explanation. 

The whole spiritual trip is a post hoc explanation fabricated to explain why 
something you like, in this case some kind of meditation for example, or the 
experience that is supposed to result from that, should be valuable to someone 
else. Spiritual endeavours are really quite a complex bother, all these things 
that one has to practice or think about, so to get someone to get involved in 
it really requires a real snow job. You have to bury them with advertising 
about how great things will be if they do this. You need an intellectual 
framework to explain why doing such atypical things will benefit. To get 
someone to come around to your ideas about what you like, it may not matter if 
it doesn't really work. You make up this because you are socially wired to a 
certain extent, and a successful social interaction results in feeling good. So 
there really is not much of a reason for saying such experiences as spiritual 
experiences are valuable, you hawk them
 that way, just as you would a certain artist, a good restaurant, a walk on a 
nice evening. Because social interactions are on an individual level, I would 
say the ego is involved, that level of personal identity that thinks it is 
running the show. The ego provides the explanations. From a scientific level, 
the experiments that indicate the brain comes to decisions often as far as 7 or 
8 seconds prior to that decision comes into conscious awareness. That would 
mean you are not really in control of anything. Life goes on this and that way. 
Stuff happens, you think you do stuff. Hawking TM or hawking Bruce or hawking 
Hawking resuls in satisfaction. Whatever floats your boat.

As for experiences of unboundedness, I really don't think of them that way any 
more. The spiritual trip is the strangest con in the universe. Suppose I put it 
this way: How would you like to be exactly the way you are for as long as you 
are? This is what I am offering you. It will take you about 40 or 50 years, and 
you will have to do all these different things, adopt crazy ideas, do 
exercises, sit quietly, eat special foods, take weird medicines. Want to jump 
in an try this out? In order to get people to do what you like, you have to be 
more devious in your enticements.

It all comes down to 'I like this, and I want you to like it too'. Psst, I have 
some secret stuff that other people do not know, and if you let me tell you, 
and you do what I say, you will be able to say every day 'I'm gonna help 
people! Because I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and, doggonit, people like 
me!






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The question for 'spiritually' oriented individuals would be, is there a way to 
construct a system that gives us these experiences of unboundedness that does 
not also wreak havoc with this gullibility weakness in the human nervous system.


But that would presuppose that there is an actual VALUE to these experiences 
of unboundedness. That has not been established, merely assumed by centuries 
of religious fanatics trying to convince others that its value trumps 
everything else. 

I would suggest going back to the starting point and, if you want to invent a 
better system,
 make a case for these
 types of experience having a value in the
 first

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]





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The human species lack of hard wiring makes us more flexible for learning; we 
do not go out and dig burrows and look for nuts in the forest everyday 
(usually), but it makes us susceptible to the mental equivalent of a viral 
attack. We here have all experienced the attack, and many here are still 
dancing to the virus's tune. This is why I called religion a memetic malady or 
disease. That is different from organic insanity. Religion is induced insanity. 

I can live with that. But I don't see any difference in the end state that the 
induced insanity of religion creates and the end state that organic 
insanity creates. Either way, one is insane. Maybe it's a Buddhist 
thing...Buddhists aren't really concerned
 about HOW things got to be the way they are, only THAT they are the way they 
are, and how to make the best of that. 

If you do not mind being surrounded by insane people I suppose that is OK. If 
you (or someone else probably) want to make a diagnosis and want to cure people 
of the malady, then a proper diagnosis is necessary as organic insanity and 
intractable, impacted belief systems would have a different treatment. Organic 
insanity may not be curable but certain forms might be ameliorated by drugs. 
With memetic insanity, you basically have to dismantle the patient's belief 
system while at the same time instilling a framework for rational thought. As 
we see here on FFL, this process does not work on the web, something more 
visceral is required, an environment where the beliefs and botched reasoning 
simply do not work at all and provide negative consequences if pursued. If that 
sounds suspiciously like brainwashing, it probably is, brainwashing to remove 
brainwashing.

The question for 'spiritually' oriented individuals would be, is there a way to 
construct a system that gives us these experiences of unboundedness that does 
not also wreak havoc with this gullibility weakness in the human nervous system.


But that would presuppose that there is an actual VALUE to these experiences 
of unboundedness. That has not been established, merely assumed by centuries 
of religious fanatics trying to convince others that its value trumps 
everything else. 

I would suggest going back to the starting point and, if you want to invent a 
better system, make a case for these types of experience having a value in the
 first place. Most religions have never tried to do this. They just make 
declarations like Maharishi did, along the lines of The purpose of life is to 
achieve these experiences of unboundedness, which then become dogma and are 
repeated and believed by successive generations of believers. But he never said 
WHY these experiences were supposedly worth achieving. 

Start now...what do YOU see as the VALUE of these experiences of 
unboundedness you speak of? If you can't establish that they *have* a value, 
then why do we need a system of *any* kind to achieve them?


Systems already exist, but they are inefficient and quirky, and at best we just 
stumble into them. If the value to the individual is great enough, they will 
find a way. What was of value to me though, might not be of value to another.

I have found these experiences valuable, but it has also been very interesting 
how they have ultimately played out for me. Sam Harris is also promoting those 
experiences in his new book Waking Up, a Guide to Spirituality without 
Religion. These experiences can be fantastic, one can get attached to having 
them but as to how they can be interpreted is another question. What you are 
told in a particular tradition might not be a particularly good way to describe 
them if they tend to reinforce an impacted belief system. My view, at the 
moment, is the nervous system is relieving itself of something, but it is 
difficult to tell just what that something is. I would say the interesting 
spiritual experiences are just artefacts of the system normalising itself, so 
they are not really of real import. If one is seeking heaven and trying to 
avoid hell, one is missing the point of the search, for the point is to 
discover the commonality of both, and avoid being sucked
 either way. For me as time went on such experiences tended to damp out, 
everything kind of flattened out, until one day on a walk there was this shift 
in which the world, as it always had been, was identical with what I had been 
seeking. 


It was a very low key experience, but seeking 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?

2014-10-09 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
This is what Zen masters call 'selling water by the river'. We end up embroiled 
in a spiritual path because we think it will eliminate our dissatisfaction with 
life, but the dissatisfaction comes from the way we construe life to be. Life 
can indeed be horrible, and there are certain things that require courage and 
fortitude to get through. All that 'enlightenment' brings is the realisation 
that life is exactly the way it is and no other way, that it was always this 
way, before and during ones sojourn on 'the path', and that no other way is 
possible henceforth, and this eliminates seeking behaviour and a particular 
sort of non-object-oriented fulfilment results because the mind is not spinning 
its wheels over nonsense. Then you get to live the rest of your life without 
those pernicious ideas you acquired before and during your spiritual quest. 
There is still plenty to do or not do, depending on your inclination.

To quote the Vedantist James Swartz:

'If you can see that the question of freedom is due to a lack understanding, 
you will be open to a means of self knowledge. A means of self knowledge does 
not actually give you self knowledge, because everyone actually does know who 
they are... Unfortunately, there is usually a lack of clarity about the nature 
of the self, which impedes the full appreciation of it. This lack of clarity 
manifests as ill considered beliefs and opinions, particularly the belief that 
the self is limited. If you expose your mind to a ... means of self knowledge, 
it will patiently strip away these beliefs and clarity will return. When the 
last vestige of ignorance is removed, you will realize that you knew who you 
were all along. You will find it amusing that you went through so much seeking 
to find out what you already knew You are not getting something you do not 
have; you simply realize that what you sought so frantically you had all along. 
Enlightenment should be cause
 for embarrassment, not jubilation.'
 
The above paragraph assumes that the 'means of self knowledge' will actually 
work. Sometimes it seems otherwise, especially when one is around spiritual 
types. It seems to me that 'masters' tend not to hang out together. Fraudulent 
masters perhaps do not want their con exposed, and real masters, who know what 
the real con is, really do not have anything to talk about with each other, 
because there is nothing at the end of the rainbow in this business. You end up 
where you started, with a net loss.


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Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 9:28 AM
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From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed 
as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, 
turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, 
Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will 
believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of 
Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 
'special' for believing it. 

The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow 
the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of 
evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be 
nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment...


Yes indeed, something to be proud of. 

The sad thing is that he (Maharishi) *would* actually be proud of it. He'd 
think of it as the triumph of faith. He'd smile and tell the story of 
Trotakacharya again.  :-) 


I first came across it when attending a coherence day at the local academy 
(where I later lived) we were in the garden on a starry night and looking 
around the night sky and I was pointing out various things of interest like 
which planets were which and how far the nearest galaxy is when this purusha 
guy turned to me and said And just think it's all consciousness. What's 
troubling is it was said with an intimation that it was an improvement or a 
superior explanation to just thinking that the universe is made of energy and 
stuff.

It worries me because scientific and religious explanations don't mix very well 
but the quantum crowd think they've found a way of fitting the one into the 
other, or at least blinding people with enough abstract concepts so they think 
the two things belong together.

It does annoy me too because people, like John, seem genuinely interested in 
physics and the sort of things it explains really well and the amazing 
discoveries and concepts of cosmology. But with this training in vedic beliefs 
he gets from the TMO he 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Some of the embarrassing things believers pray to their God FOR

2014-10-07 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
RELIGION, n. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of 
the Unknowable.

PRAY, v. To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single 
petitioner confessedly unworthy.

  —Ambrose 
Bierce (1906)



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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Some of the embarrassing things believers pray to 
their God FOR
 


  
If this survey is anywhere near accurate, it looks to me as if believers (or 
American believers, anyway) are a bunch of hypocrites and slackers and vengeful 
psychopaths. At the very least, they're more honest with a telephone pollster 
than they are with their supposedly omniscient God. 


This is how many religious people are willing to admit to a pollster that they 
actively mislead God

  
 
This is how many religious people are willing to admit t...
A new poll has some surprising findings about Americans who say they pray 
regularly.  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God

2014-10-07 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I don't know what Barry does when he is alone, but he is living with others 
according to his own account, so how much aloneness he experiences seems a bit 
difficult to determine from across the pond; how much he drinks is also 
difficult to determine. He posted a photo of a glass of red wine, shot in a 
garden once, in the evening, next to his laptop. Kind of hard to avoid that if 
you live in France for a while.

I don't feel hurt or bitter, and I cannot tell if Barry has such emotions, for 
as a writer, he assumes various points of view, not necessarily what he is 
himself experiencing, so I am always curious how you determine these 
characterisations. He tried TM, and followed Lenz for a while. I suspect he 
learned something from those experiences. For myself, I did try TM; it worked 
quite well for some four decades plus though it seems a little frayed now; 
mindfulness works better now, which it did not in the beginning, but I learned 
mindfulness first, a long time ago. Not-doing now is a breeze. I tend not to 
follow spiritual teachers; I mine them for the information I desire. Spiritual 
teachers are a quirky lot. As just about everyone seems to have some screws 
loose before they get into spiritual concerns, I always wonder how much of that 
remains once they have been immersed in the spiritual quest for a time, and 
that goes for the 'masters' too. As we are part
 of that group that are, or were seekers, I suspect none of us are free of some 
individual quirks that might annoy others. A certain kind of luck is required 
because until a certain point, you cannot tell if a spiritual teacher is just 
screwing you over or giving you truly good advice, so going down blind alleys 
is always a potential result. 

I am pretty sure Barry thinks you are self-deluded about your alleged 
enlightenment, probably on the basis you promote it over much, but also he does 
not seem to consider what is generally called enlightenment here on FFL 
significant compared to other possible experiences. That is not my view, but 
then I have never met anyone who does have my view, other people think 
different things. Curious isn't that? For my part, based on what you have said, 
I think you had some sort of experience, epiphany, or awakening, but your 
descriptions of the result leave me in doubt because they seem to lack certain 
details, and you did not seem to grasp concepts found in Vedanta at all, even 
though this is way of looking at enlightenment is directly involved with 
Shankara, and Maharishi certainly seemed aware of it, though he did not seem to 
talk about it extensively. The concepts are not 'the truth' of course but you 
should be able to manipulate and explain the principles.
 I suppose I find your statements lack a certain precision, because I like 
precision, and that does not seem to be your way of expressing yourself. You 
tend, from my point of view, to block things out in broad strokes.

I sometimes drink beer and watch TV alone, but usually I drink tea or coffee or 
a soda, and usually I watch TV with someone else unless the content strains 
their sensibilities, as quite a few meditators seem to have difficulty with 
certain kinds of images, either by inclination, or by having been programmed by 
others to avoid such because it is not 'evolutionary'. 



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In all honesty, you have never presented a very high bar for comparison, Barry. 
I mean, come on, drinking beer and watching TV, alone? Punctuated by regular 
screeds on how screwed up the rest of us are. 

Hardly what I would call a raging success, on your part, after following 
spiritual teachers for decades. No wonder you sound hurt, and bitter. 

Try TM. It works.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God



 
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Belief
is a thought, that moves us through the gap, from one experience of a
subject, to another. For example, we believe the earth is round. This
belief remains in place, and helps our world make sense, though there
are few times, when we actually observe the curvature of our planet.

So
it is, with a strong belief in God. Often it becomes the belief in God, that is 
pursued, instead of a close, immediate,
ongoing relationship with Him and Her. I cannot honestly say that I believe in 
God, yet He and She make their presence known to
me, moment to moment, and the relationship is always vital and alive. 

I
did not think up God on my own, just as I would

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Welcome back Pluto!

2014-10-06 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
The red giant start Alpha Orionis (Betelgeuse) in the constellation of Orion 
fits within a 10x10 pixel area in the Hubble telescope. Betelgeuse has a 
diameter that is approximately 1,000 times that of Earth's Sun. it is 643±146 
light-years distant from us. Most stars would appear much smaller than Pluto, 
but this one is not one of them. From that distance the Sun would be about 
1/100th pixel wide, so most stars would not show an appreciable disk in Hubble. 
Pluto is now called a dwarf planet and is part of the Kuiper belt; 
approximately a thousand objects are known in the Kuiper belt, of which Pluto 
is the best known and largest. The Kuiper belt extends from the orbit of 
Neptune to about 3 billion kilometres further out. 



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Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 1:49 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Welcome back Pluto!
 


  




I don't understand this. If pluto is just 3 pixels wide on 
Hubble, how much pixels distant stars would have?

They should have a new category called plutoids.


--- anartaxius@... wrote :




Even the photo from Hubble is not a straight photograph, it is a composite of 
many exposures over various times assembled by a computer program making a map 
of colour and brightness variations on the surface which was then mapped onto a 
sphere. The diameter of Pluto is so small seen from Earth that a single images 
shows basically no detail at all. Pluto does have a rotation period and the 
scientists managed to use that as an aid in reconstruction its surface 
features. Pluto is less than 3 pixels wide in the Hubble telescope. This is 
just enough information to tell there is some brightness variation on the 
surface.  So a direct picture of Pluto would be a grid just 3x3 pixels wide, 
nine potential points of difference. Pluto has five moons, Charon, Nix, Hydra, 
P4 and P5 as they are currently named. (You have to watch out for P5, it 
hasvery important astrological significance.)

--- salyavin...@yahoogroups.com wrote :




Hah, I realised that photo was a mock up two seconds after posting the link. 
Next time I watch the video first!
 
But it's good that we have the mystery of a new planet to look forward to, it's 
been a long time since there was a discovery we could wonder over. I remember 
how the world stopped in its tracks when the Voyager pictures of Jupiter were 
published. It's good when something draws our attention away into space like 
that, gives a much needed sense of perspective. 
 
Maybe Pluto won't be so exciting but it will still be a glimpse into the 
universe we haven't had before. The last bit of science to get excited about 
was a hard task for everyone, the Higgs Boson was entirely conceptual to us 
average Joe's, the most amazing thing was the lengths they went to to find it 
at all!
 


--- anartaxius@... wrote :


New Horizons just crossed the orbit of Neptune. It then will go into 
hibernation for 99 days. The photo is a painting or a digital painting, an 
artist's rendition of what they think it will be like. Right now Neptune is 
imaged as just a few pixels, Pluto is just a single pixel. It's still 284 days 
away from closest approach. The colour of Pluto and some of its surface 
variations have been photographed by Hubble but the image is very blurry to say 
the most even with extensive computer processing. We have no idea yet what its 
surface features are like in any detail. Here is the Hubble image, currently 
the best we have until New Horizons passes Pluto about the middle of next year:

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/files/2010/02/image.jpg

  
   
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This Hubble image of Pluto is technically equivalent to photographing an air 
gun BB from a distance of 9.4km, or an American quarter dollar coin from 51km. 
New Horizons will have to get pretty close to Pluto before it can image it 
better than this Hubble image.


From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :


Jyotish only uses the visible planets
not the outer ones. 

I guess they'd have to, not knowing about the others.

It's tropical astrology that wants not only
to use Pluto but asteroids as well. 

That makes even less sense, nobody knows exactly what is out there so if you 
think a horoscope makes sense and then someone discovers something else you 
can't have been right in the first place.

 But I guess the ice people of
Plutoria must want a vote on this. ;-) 

It must be up to our solar system brothers. Looks like we'll be doing a flyby 
real soon.

That cool photo was taken by NASA's New Horizons probe, which is well on it's 
way. Travelling at one million miles a day it still has 8 months before closest 
approach! I look forward to that muchly:

NASA'-s New Horizons Spacecraft Near Pluto | Alternative

 

   
   NASA'-s New Horizons Spacecraft Near Pluto

Re: [FairfieldLife] Welcome back Pluto!

2014-10-03 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
New Horizons just crossed the orbit of Neptune. It then will go into 
hibernation for 99 days. The photo is a painting or a digital painting, an 
artist's rendition of what they think it will be like. Right now Neptune is 
imaged as just a few pixels, Pluto is just a single pixel. It's still 284 days 
away from closest approach. The colour of Pluto and some of its surface 
variations have been photographed by Hubble but the image is very blurry to say 
the most even with extensive computer processing. We have no idea yet what its 
surface features are like in any detail. Here is the Hubble image, currently 
the best we have until New Horizons passes Pluto about the middle of next year:

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/files/2010/02/image.jpg

  
   
View on scienceblogs.com Preview by Yahoo  
  

This Hubble image of Pluto is technically equivalent to photographing an air 
gun BB from a distance of 9.4km, or an American quarter dollar coin from 51km. 
New Horizons will have to get pretty close to Pluto before it can image it 
better than this Hubble image.


 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Welcome back Pluto!
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :


Jyotish only uses the visible planets
not the outer ones. 

I guess they'd have to, not knowing about the others.

It's tropical astrology that wants not only
to use Pluto but asteroids as well. 

That makes even less sense, nobody knows exactly what is out there so if you 
think a horoscope makes sense and then someone discovers something else you 
can't have been right in the first place.

 But I guess the ice people of
Plutoria must want a vote on this. ;-) 

It must be up to our solar system brothers. Looks like we'll be doing a flyby 
real soon.

That cool photo was taken by NASA's New Horizons probe, which is well on it's 
way. Travelling at one million miles a day it still has 8 months before closest 
approach! I look forward to that muchly:

NASA'-s New Horizons Spacecraft Near Pluto | Alternative
 
   NASA'-s New Horizons Spacecraft Near Pluto | Alt...  
One of the fastest spacecraft ever built, NASA´s New Horizons, is hurtling 
through the void at nearly one million miles per day. Launched in 2006, it has 
been in fl...  
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On 10/02/2014 07:33 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

 
Must be a frustrating time to be an astrologer, they just
get used to pretending they have some sort of
psychological and predictive use for poor old Pluto -
after all those centuries not knowing about it - when the
astronomical world decide it was never a planet at all!


But now it's back so we can start taking note of the
effects it's having on us again.


Is
Pluto about to be reinstated as a planet?


 



Re: [FairfieldLife] Saying Bye Bye to Haters and Hate Speech on FFL

2014-10-03 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
As meditators of the TM persuasion are, at least in their minds, marshalling 
the support of all the laws of nature, persecution should not be much more than 
batting away slightly annoying gnats. However real persecution requires a bit 
more machinery than a single individual can really bring to bear on a forum. I 
meditate, and yet I am still capable of dumb and stupid things (even though 
it's exactly what is required in the larger scheme of things), and meditators 
often display, with their mouths, a higher sense of purpose than they can 
actually muster in fact. We are all ordinary people, attempting to ameliorate 
some persistent delusions. At least that is what I hope. And hope is one of 
those persistent delusions, anticipating that what one wants to happen in the 
wider theatre of life is in fact what will actually happen — but what usually 
happens is always a bit off from that when we are lucky. To call someone a 
hater means that somewhere in the the
 mind one is becoming a reflection of that same concept, that one is reacting 
as if one is a mirror of what one wants to eliminate, whereas what one needs to 
be is an empty portal through which hate can pass without leaving a mark or a 
reflection. That does not mean that some kind of action against an individual 
or a group cannot be initiated, for sometimes to avoid being destroyed, one 
must do likewise and destroy, but how you will pay for that as internal strife 
in the mind or not depends on how much you can be that empty portal.

A victim mentality does not get one a free pass in life, it just means you get 
stepped on and that you somehow think you are privileged in making a complaint. 



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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 2:16 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Saying Bye Bye to Haters and Hate Speech on FFL
 


  
No
get off it,  not just Jews but meditators too are victims of hate
persecution here too.   I was feeling to turn FFL over to the
Southern Poverty Law Center over the hate-speech which meditators are
experiencing from a few people posting here.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research on Cosmic Consciousness... more detail

2014-10-03 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Cosmic consciousness (à la Maharishi) is not that complicated. It is an 
optimised duality. One experiences oneself as silent awareness, and everything 
else is walled off from the silence. Kinda feels like being underwater looking 
up at the world through the surface of the water. Other than than that sense of 
separation, nothing is different from waking. Ego is intact, but it's no longer 
you, but it's still a son-of-a-bastard and the mind is still essentially in a 
state of delusion. As it seems like a silent witness to activity, it is silent 
in that it can do nothing else. That split personality of experience 
fortunately eventually goes away and the two sides of the equation eventually 
shake hands and merge and cosmic consciousness is no more, being replaced with 
something much harder to communicate because when the two sides of the 
dualistic experience come together, there is no contrast between them, no way 
to distinguish them one from the other,
 except as an intellectual fiction. If you experience deep silence in 
meditation, and especially if you go on retreats and get some sustained 
silence, you can kind of imagine what cosmic consciousness is like, but you 
cannot imagine what full unity is like on this basis because the absence of 
separation leaves no way for anything to witness what it is. It is a whole 
without a second. You can have it, but you cannot actually describe it in any 
really meaningful way. But all these states are waking states and awareness is 
really always the same in all of them; it is just our understanding is dumbed 
down until a clear realisation of what the situation is. Then the 'highest' of 
the waking states is seen to be identical with the 'lowest', and the difference 
was just our imagination.






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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 3:05 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research on Cosmic Consciousness... more detail
 


  
Just as it says in the Gita, about pure consciousness being unable to be 
influenced or destroyed, yes, the witness of pure awareness, continues, through 
any permutation of awareness the mind is in - sleep, dreaming, intoxicated, 
awake. These states of awareness are due to the gross functioning of the body, 
in response to its needs. Barry, who seems perpetually confused, equates waking 
state with Cosmic Consciousness, and is dead wrong, as usual. Just as love 
unites, and creates perfection, simply by its nature, so does Cosmic 
Consciousness, uniting everything within the universal awareness. 

Trying to sense CC, or imagine what it is like, as Barry has done, will never 
lead to knowledge or understanding of that state of Cosmic Consciousness. 
Living it is the only way to know what is going on, and be able to explain it 
clearly. Otherwise, it is the imposition of imagination, on waking state 
consciousness, and that just leads to delusion, as should be obvious by the 
strange assumptions and speculations being made. Thinking you know something 
doesn't make it so.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
] The corpus callosum, 
which connects the left and right hemispheres, myelinates from age 7 to age 10. 
Now the dominant level of awareness de-embeds from sensory experience and 
reintegrates at the level of concrete operations—the ability to think about the 
objects that you see. The last brain circuits to myelinate are connections with 
frontal executive areas. These circuits begin to myelinate around age 12 and 
end around age 25.[54] With frontal
 myelination, the dominant level of awareness de-embeds from thinking and 
reintegrates at the level of formal operations—the ability to think about 
thinking. Now the teenager can see consequences; they can generate different 
reasons to explain observations.
Language learning is considered the engine for the development of abstract 
adult thinking. Language provides a symbolic system to represent objects and so 
allows a child to mentally manipulate concrete objects.[55] However, we can 
become stuck in our words and concepts. To develop beyond language-based 
thinking, we need a technique to transcend language and enable the experience 
of pure (content-free) consciousness underlying the changing activity of 
thinking and feeling. The experience of Transcendental Consciousness transcends 
language and provides a platform for experiencing the world more with repect to 
inner abstract structures and less with respect to outer, changing concrete 
objects. This experience of Transcendental Consciousness is not a luxury and 
should not be isolated to a few individuals transcending during meditation 
practice. Rather, the experience of Transcendental Consciousness should be 
available to everyone to allow them to realize
 their full human birthright.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :


But CC really isn't enlightenment, it's just 'glorified ignorance' as M said. 
You get inner wakefulness and silence along with a deluded mind. So this paper 
is not about enlightened people. It's about people who have a certain degree of 
opening to spiritual experience, but far short of the goal. Fred's problem is 
he does not have access to currently used state-of-the-art equipment in the 
study of consciousness, and even if he did, he probably would not be allowed by 
the TMO to use it (fMRI for example), and he is probably under some other 
research restrictions as well, as he likely would be booted if he published any 
negative results.

Fred: 'The experience of Transcendental Consciousness transcends language and 
provides a platform for experiencing the world more with re[s]pect to inner 
abstract structures and less with respect to outer, changing concrete objects. 
This experience of Transcendental Consciousness is not a luxury and should not 
be isolated to a few individuals transcending during meditation practice. 
Rather, the experience of Transcendental Consciousness should be available to 
everyone to allow them to realize their full human birthright.'

He did not even mention CC in his conclusion (above) either.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :


Fred Travis published research on enlightened people.

This review paper looks at the research:

Transcendental experiences during meditation practice - Travis - 2013 - Annals 
of the New York Academy of Sciences - Wiley Online Library
 
   Transcendental experiences during meditation practice - Travis - 2013 - 
Annals of the New Yor... 
1 Shear, J. 2006. The Experience of Meditation: Experts Introduce the Major 
Traditions. Princeton, NJ: The Infinity Foundation. 2 Travis, F.  J. Shear.  
View on onlinelibrary.wiley.comPreview by Yahoo   
 

Fred is doing new research on people in CC and will be using more sophisticated 
EEG analysis, and possibly other measures as well.


L


 


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree

2014-10-01 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I have reproduced some paragraphs below that describe the relationship of a 
student to the teacher and a spiritual teaching from one of the books of 
Zen-trained Adyashanti. This seems somewhat different than what is expected in 
the TMO.

'There is no such thing as riding the coattails of an enlightened being to 
enlightenment itself. A failure to understand this can lead (as so many have 
been led) to cultish fanaticism, fundamentalism, magical thinking, 
disappointment, disillusionment, and/or spiritual infancy. While it is 
understandable that many people project their unresolved parental issues, 
relationship issues, authority issues, sexuality issues, as well as God issues 
onto their spiritual teacher (and are sometimes encouraged to do so by 
unscrupulous spiritual teachers), it is essential to understand that a 
spiritual teacher's role is to be a good and wise spiritual guide as well as an 
embodiment of the truth that he or she points toward.' 


'While there may be deep respect, love, and even devotion to one's spiritual 
teacher, it is important not to abdicate all of your authority over to your 
spiritual teacher or project all divinity exclusively onto them. Your life 
belongs in your hands, not someone else's. Take responsibility for it. There 
is a fine line between being truly open to the guidance of a spiritual teacher 
and regressing into a childish relationship where you abdicate your adulthood 
and project all wisdom and divinity onto the teacher. Each person needs to 
find a mature balance, being truly and deeply open to their spiritual guide 
without abdicating all of their authority.'


'The same can be applied to a spiritual teaching. A spiritual teaching is a 
finger pointing toward reality; it is not reality itself. To be in a true and 
mature relationship with a spiritual teaching requires you to apply it, not 
simply believe in it. Belief leads to various forms of fundamentalism and 
shuts down the curiosity and inquiry that are essential to open the way for 
awakening and what lies beyond awakening. A good spiritual teaching is 
something that you work with and apply. In doing so, it works on you (often in 
a hidden way) and helps reveal to you the truth (and falseness) that lies 
within you.' 


'What is it to not abdicate your own authority and yet not claim a false or 
self-centred authority that will lead you into delusion? I am afraid that I 
cannot tell you. You see, no one can tell you how not to deceive yourself. If 
in the deepest place within you, you want and desire truth above all else, 
even though you go astray in a thousand different ways, you will find yourself 
somehow, again and again, being brought back to what is true. And if you do 
not want and desire truth above all else, well, you already know what that 
leads to.'



 From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree
 


  
Isn't it fascinating the crap that people believe because the person they 
consider their spiritual teacher said it? Or even if they've only heard 
fifth-hand that he *might* have said it? 


I'm back to that moment I mentioned before jokingly -- being able someday to 
figure out the neurophysiology of That Moment in which the human brain says to 
itself, Well, the stuff this teacher has said to me so far seems to be true, 
therefore I am going to 'suspend disbelief' forever and believe that 
*everything* he ever says to me again is true as well. 


THAT would be an interesting phenomenon to quantify. W.r.t. to telling someone 
stuff about their past lives, there is an Absolute Requirement that the 
person 'suspend disbelief' and believe that the teacher *could* possibly know 
something about this thing he rationally couldn't possibly know anything about. 
Besides, when it comes to 'past lives,' everyone *wants to believe* that what 
they're being told is true, as long as the past personage is cool enough. ( 
That's why you've got so many Newagers who claim to be Cleopatra and so few 
claiming to be Cleopatra's manicurist. :-)


I remember one time when the Fred Lenz - Rama guy did that to me, and I called 
him on it. We were on one of our field trips, this time I think i the Louvre 
in Paris -- no guided tours or anything, just 100 or so Rama students wandering 
around the galleries, sometimes running into him, sometimes not. So I found 
myself in this Egyptian room looking down at a glass exhibit that contained a 
sarcophagus and a well-preserved body. I was quite taken with the bones of this 
guy's face, and was standing there looking at it when Rama walked up behind me, 
looked down, and said, Yep, that was you, all right. 


Naturally, I was all ego-d out for a second, but then for some reason I caught 
myself and turned to him and said, Your're just 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree

2014-10-01 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
That book was a big help to me, as it contained advice that no TM teacher I 
knew seemed to have a clue about.



 From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree
 


  
My fav is The End of Your World, a book recommendation that I got at Batgap 
(returned the favor by using Batgap's commission link to Amazon).


[FairfieldLife] Re: Astral and Celetial

2014-09-30 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
So, Share how do you determine whether the astral and the celestial actually 
exist, and then, if they do, how do you determine their vibrational spectrum? 
How do you determine they have a vibrational spectrum; what is that anyway? —An 
ignorant bystander.

Now there are some who think there is an asstral and a celestial. The uptight 
ones (the moralists) think they are poles apart, while the others think they go 
together quite nicely. 



 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
 


  
Fleetwood, you initially said that the astral and the celestial are the same 
thing. I don't agree with that. Nor do I agree that they are the same 
vibrational spectrum. 



On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:58 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  
How is what you say, any different, from what I said? The astral and celestial 
are in the same realm, same vibrational spectrum, like our earthly light covers 
a spectrum of different colors, though different neighborhoods. Yes, the beings 
in the celestial neighborhoods are always the good guys.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :


Fleetwood, I have a different understanding and experience wrt this. What I've 
heard is that in the celestial realm the beings are benevolent towards 
humanity; in the astral realm, some are and some are not. e 



On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:36 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 
Just to clarify, Share, the celestial and astral are the same thing - It 
depends on the consciousness, where a person naturally ends up (later, you go 
anywhere you want to)- Satvic equals Celestial, and the rest is what people 
call the astral. It is simply a layer of life, like ours, where vibrational 
frequencies are higher, and always evident, like the television broadcasts 
passing through the atmosphere.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :


Clarity is the key - Since our vision doesn't operate the same way in the 
astral, we need a lot of light, to go there.
The way Maharishi taught the Siddhis, with TM practice preceding the sutras, 
gives us the protection, to over time, explore any place we desire to go. 
Separating out the imagination, traveling outside the common boundaries of 
time and space, and dealing with tricksters, are two things to be aware of, 
should the astral prove appealing. Knowledge, and power, *always* come with an 
equal share of responsibility. Enjoy your travels!
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :


Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped 
doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations
warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein 
there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants.


On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 
He is a Channel, Share.

The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it.

Sort of a blind spot I'd say.


---In
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :


Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less 
been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to 
attribute such
negative motivations to people. 



On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 

Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences
within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that,
whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. 


Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and 
Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas 
they claim to be. 




 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on
Sunday



 
Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is
interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from 
business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, 
placed on them, intentionally. 
Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within 
it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it 
is, to
propagate TM. 
No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and 
necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would 
for General Motors. I am not advocating complete 

[FairfieldLife] Privacy

2014-09-29 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
In this electronic age, if someone wants something to be private, then they 
have to be the only one who knows that something. Share and beware.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'

2014-09-28 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
This is perhaps not a matter of proof. Matter and energy are defined as 
physical. They are tokenised by the mind as such. Then the mind can manipulate 
them as such. You could just as well tokenise them as consciousness, and see 
where that leads in musing about the world. It is not a matter of reality, it 
is a matter of convenience or practicality, which, in turn, determines how you 
consider the world. If you had tokenised matter and energy as having arisen 
from consciousness. Compare India prior to the invasion of the British with 
European civilisation and you can see the difference the mental model makes.



 From: inmadi...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 4:20 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking:  'There is no God'
 


  
In order to make the statement that mind is an emergence of physical 
matter/energy - one has to make the inference there is physical matter/energy - 
and this is an inference that can not be proven . . . thus, why the notion mind 
is an emergence of matter/energy is 'dogmatic'.  Perhaps its a reasonable POV - 
but dogmatic none the less.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'

2014-09-28 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
According to the current theories, time and space did not exist before the 
universe. Space-time simply emerged. Therefore asking what happened before 
makes no sense, because there was no time. And because space did not exist, 
there was nowhere for what could not have happened before, to be. But beyond 
that we have no idea.



 From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 4:41 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking:  'There is no God'
 


  
Xeno,

As mentioned earlier, how did space and time begin in this universe?  Is it an 
emergent property too of the random fluctuation of the quantum?






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :


Mathematicians, Physicists, Computer Scientists, and Evolutionists have shown 
experimentally that high levels of complexity can arise out of very simple 
systems so that the appearance of intelligence can be an emergent property of 
simple starting parameters. So it does not appear to be necessary to 
hypothesise any intelligence to get the ball rolling.



 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 7:13 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking:  'There is no God'



 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :


Salyavin,

I think that you will agree Hawking made another blunder by making another 
unsupported and unscientific assertion.  Just recently, he lost a bet about the 
discovery of the Higgs Boson.  I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that 
he'll pay on his wager.

What have you got against Hawking? A lot of people didn't think the Higgs would 
be found, even Werner Heisenberg, but there you are. That's how science works, 
you have an idea and you test it. Some are right, most are wrong. It's hardly a 
blunder, besides we don't know when or why Hawking made his
bet, maybe he forgot to cancel it due to having other things on his mind! He 
paid up though. $100.


You say that consciousness is a phenomenon of emergence.   IMO, that's not 
correct.  My proof is space and time itself which is an essential factor for 
the existence of this universe.  How can a random quantum fluctuation conceive 
of length, width, and height to create space and cognize the flow of events to 
create time?

OK, I suspect need to familiarise yourself with the concepts a bit more. I 
don't know what you mean by cognize. The word means become aware of a 
quantum event isn't aware of anything. Do you mean that it had to somehow 
know what it was doing in order to do it? Laws unfold on their own, there is no 
plan for them to work to. They are simply our descriptions of what always
happens under the same circumstances. 

Given the starting point of the universe we ended up with the laws we've got. 
It could have been different, if there was slightly less matter compared to 
anti-matter after the big bang we would have less atoms in the universe which 
would affect the energy and total mass before inflation when the subatomic 
particles that make up everything else came into being. This would make 
everything work slightly differently, maybe such big stars wouldn't have formed 
which would mean we wouldn't be here because there would be no heavy elements 
to make us or our planet with.

Victor Stenger wrote a book about how the universe would have been different 
with different initial
settings like this, I haven't read it myself but mention it because a lot of 
work has been done on this. It isn't absolute of course, some think the 
universe is very finely tuned and use that as supposed proof of the necessity 
of a creator, Stenger thinks that it doesn't need to be as finely tuned as all 
that. Besides, the universe may have evolved, if one came into being that 
couldn't produce the material necessary for complex life then it would end one 
day and another would come along once the vacuum state had settled down. There 
may have been millions of cyclical universes, we will never know. But it seems 
obvious that it got here under its own steam. Complexity first - whether it's 
consciousness or gods or whatever - makes no sense because the complexity must 
have come from somewhere and you are just pushing the start back to something 
else, presumably ineffable.


 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :


Xeno,

The problem with Hawking's approach is that he is hung up with matter, a thing 
that is measurable by scientists.  But, apparently, he does not consider 
superstrings to be a scientific fact.  These
superstrings exist at the Planck level or at 10 to the power of minus 33 
centimeters.

It's still an unproven theory and one of many involving different kinds of 
strings, loop quantum gravity and others. It will only become

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: 'There is no God'

2014-09-28 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
How could you know the universe had an end, if it's still here? When are you? 
Did you mean 'has'?



 From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 4:58 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking:  'There is no God'
 


  
Jedi,

I agree that the universe had a beginning and an end.

[FairfieldLife] First Genetically Modified Babies

2014-09-28 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
The World’s First Genetically Modified Babies Will Graduate High School This 
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