[FairfieldLife] It's good to hear everyone again...
Although I'm still able to post at FFL, it's good to hear the banned voices again here at FFL-FSZ, as well as others who simply stopped writing at FFL. I may not agree with everything that these voices have to say, but it's everyone's right to express themselves, just as it's everyone's right to read or not read what others have to say, as well as contribute to the conversation or drop out of the conversation. Raunchydog once wrote that unless you have some skin in the game, you have no right to enter the conversation...I don't agree. Maybe those that have no skin in the game can offer the most objectivity to the conversation at hand. There has been mention of hypocrisy recently by at least one of the writers at FFL and The_Peak (I think it may have been Ann or back_formore, and maybe others) and I don't think these people can really see themselves. What a shame but I know, like the rest of us, they're just trying to find their way. Truly, it's good to hear your voices again!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum for me?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : snip Share: In thanks, 2 Vedic bits I love about Brahman: Far in the distance I see the owner of the house reverberating. LG: https://youtu.be/VZtj5Aa1w4w https://youtu.be/VZtj5Aa1w4w. Now excuse me while I go puke...forgive me, I never did like those Mother Divine songs! Share: Which I take to mean that the person I think is the least like me, is actually an expression of my Self. Stops one in one's tracks...if one is lucky! LG: Nice verse. Not only what you think but everything...all this is That on the level of all experience. Those that know, don't talk, and those that talk, don't know. End of discussion. :) Share: Braham says: my indestructible maya. Or as Tom Traynor may have said, it's all just the Divine playing peekaboo, pretending not to see itself. Just for the play of it. LG: No comment. :) Share: Wishing fathers and everyone a very playful day. LG: Thank you Share. From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 12:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum for me? Share, you caught me completely by surprise with a response...it's good to hear from you! It was not my intention to draw you out of lurkerdom...I also enjoy lurking in the shadows...sinister laugh...and really don't understand my fascination with this place unless it's just to see what nuggets I can glean from the posts...you've just offered up a few. Anyway, it's good to see old friends returning to the place and I'm enjoying their posts. There's a satisfaction...dare I say comfort...in knowing that we're not going to change who we are, yet it doesn't matter, because it shouldn't prevent us from perhaps finding some value in what each other has to say...we are always in control of how what we read influences us, and can turn the reaction/response switch on and off. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : dear laughingG, thank you, not the least of which, for putting me with such interesting, dare I say riveting, posters, the 3 Rs (-: To my amazement, I have become a lurker, and a happy one at that. Same on the Peak. And the recent FFL developments fascinate me. Most everything about online communication fascinates me. Are all those very different voices really inside my own awareness? I think so. Astonishment! If we're not at peace with a certain voice that seems to be outside us, it does no good to censor it. It will merely show up in our lives somewhere else. Better to make peace with it, with all the parts of our self. From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 11:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum for me? As I read through most posts, I often find something to appreciate in what every author has written...Judy, TB, Xeno, CDB, Doug/Buck, Ann, Jim, Steve, Nabby, MJ, and even folks that no longer (or can no longer) post here including Share, Robin, Ravi, and even Richard (I guess these are the three 'Rs'). As I read, I think that I can sense the author's intent in what they are writing...sometimes it's malicious or purposely not playing fair in which case I chose not to respond although I feel bad for the writer, sometimes I have the aha moment and think the author is brilliant to which I sometimes respond with a pat on the back or choose to contribute to the discussion for as long as it holds my interest, sometimes I laugh out loud because the humor is subtle and I got the joke (Richard contributed that type of humor), etc. etc...you get the idea. snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum for me?
Ah, it's good that the whole family has returned home for the holidays...I raise my glass. It was starting to get a little boring around here...let's keep it civil, shall we, so we can enjoy each other's company for as long as we can. For those who must go, have a safe journey, and hurry back. Cheers... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Declaring one is going to ignore the authority figure, of course, adds up to far more than simply talking back to the authority figure. And it has nothing to do with the Yahoo Guidelines per se; it has to do with the authority figures themselves. If they want to maintain their authority, they need to sanction those who openly defy it. But you're well aware of this. Me: In a Southern town in the 1950's or in Saddam's Iraq maybe. Your statement is absurd on some levels and offensive on others. In fact rather than point out its many flaws I will simply repeat what you said and ask the reader to let images come into their mind where this would be appropriate: Judy: If they want to maintain their authority, they need to sanction those who openly defy it. Me: In what time and place would such a repugnant idea be promoted? Although Maharishi subscribed to this authoritarian ideology, as an American who grew up in the 60's I do not. I am opposed to this view of authority figures and offer my own. They work for US, not the other way around. If you are a shitty leader you get opposition from people who actually do know better, and if you are a good one you get opposition from people who just think they do. The moderator's job here is not to crush dissent in FFL members when they point out that he is not serving the forum's needs properly. I do believe that you may have outed some of Buck/Doug's impression of what his role is here. But since he is not telling us why Barry was cut off specifically we can only speculate. Judy: Thanks for confirming my suspicions about your dead pool implication. Me: The old Judy playbook technique of stating the opposite of what I said about my intentions in my own writing, as if this makes it so. I comes from the belief that she knows better than I do myself what my meaning was in what I wrote myself about myself. It is a byproduct of grandiosity. Judy: Unfortunately you've screwed up again. I came out of lurkerdom on May 31, a week before Rick decided to appoint a moderator, a week before any of us knew he was even considering it. Me: You have been peeking in and out of lurkdom a few times lately with your most recent posting streak the most prolific. Each time you come out of lurkdom is a different time because you are the one making a point to tell us that you may not return to post again. Judy: Doug is not now and never has been either my friend or my enemy. But what's fascinating about your absurd remark is that you can't seem to envision defending someone who isn't a friend who is being treated unfairly and dishonestly just because it's the right thing to do. There has to be an ulterior, self-interested motive as far as you're concerned. Me: Right Judy. I am a poopy pants and you are a virtuous person among the dishonest unwashed. I would have hoped that your sabbatical would have helped you get over yourself a bit but I am afraid it has not. Your misinterpretation of my meaning and your projection on it is at the basis of your weird charge. Rather than untangle the mess you made of what I said I will just end here with Louis Armstrong: You blows what you is. That explains it all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Curtis deliberately misrepresents what I said in an effort to switch the context his way. Again, standard. My conclusion about why Turq got bounced was that he declared he was going to ignore anything Doug posted. Kind of like a football player announcing publicly that he was going to ignore anything the umpire said. How much longer do you think he'd stay in the game--or on the team, for that matter--after that? Just a *wee* bit different from talking back to the umpire. And Turq wasn't even addressing Doug when he said what he did. Me: It all adds up to talking back to the authority figure and this is not an actionable offense in the Yahoo guidelines. You are making Judy distinctions between things that do not matter. Judy: The implication of your dead pool remark was, of course, that I was sucking up to Doug to ensure I wouldn't get bounced, rather than just doing the right thing by defending him from the unfair and dishonest treatment he's been getting. Me: You are making up your implication so you can enjoy your favorite emotional outrage buzz Judy. That was neither intended nor implied in what I wrote. I hadn't even conspired that as an angle when I
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum for me?
As I read through most posts, I often find something to appreciate in what every author has written...Judy, TB, Xeno, CDB, Doug/Buck, Ann, Jim, Steve, Nabby, MJ, and even folks that no longer (or can no longer) post here including Share, Robin, Ravi, and even Richard (I guess these are the three 'Rs'). As I read, I think that I can sense the author's intent in what they are writing...sometimes it's malicious or purposely not playing fair in which case I chose not to respond although I feel bad for the writer, sometimes I have the aha moment and think the author is brilliant to which I sometimes respond with a pat on the back or choose to contribute to the discussion for as long as it holds my interest, sometimes I laugh out loud because the humor is subtle and I got the joke (Richard contributed that type of humor), etc. etc...you get the idea. This topic has become interesting to me, and my comments are interpersed below: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:52 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum for me? J: This post is almost entirely irrelevant to the current situation on FFL. Moreover, it has quite a few inaccuracies. There is no reason that anyone's equanimity should be deliberately tested by trying to upset them. It may happen naturally in the course of a discussion or argument, but otherwise it's just an excuse to indulge one's aggression and treat them badly. X: If your equanimity is tested and you fail, then you realise you have more work to do in that regard. Before I learned TM, most of what I was engaged in was all about button pushing and discovering the extent of one's conditioning. It can be valuable. This feature of spiritual technology is heavily suppressed in the TM movement. LG: Perhaps all our equanimities are being tested by the Doug/Buck persona that Xeno mentions below. Are we passing or failing by how each of us reacts to it? Those that fail, is it valuable, i.e. are we learning anything from it? snip J: I'm not sure anybody cares which R's you would or would not have removed. X: Tell that to those that argued with them, or had to wade through their posts. LG: Now that's funny. snip J: Doug has been under withering fire from Turq for *years*. It's no wonder he has personal enmity; he wouldn't be human if he didn't. He's stood up under it remarkably well. But Turq handed him a justification to expel him on a silver platter when he declared himself not subject to Doug's authority as moderator. What was he *thinking*?? How could there have been any question in his mind as to why he'd been denied access to the forum? X: Doug is a rather strange persona in my opinion, constant spamming, often a complete lack of original thinking in those repetitive whining post that went on for all those years. With Turq gone, I am interested though in seeing if he comes out into the sun. There have always been signs he can think independently of his TMO conditioning, and that the TMO has essentially excommunicated him perhaps it will emerge. LG: Could this be the Doug/Buck form of button-pushing? If it is, then you're getting yours pushed big time because it elicits a response from you (and others) to which Doug/Buck chooses to ignore. Kinda like other button-pushers who, when their victims take the bait by responding, drop out of the conversation. The button-pusher owes no one an explanation nor wants to get into an endless discussion that goes nowhere. So now, let's get back to the value of button-pushing as a test to one's equanimity... snip J: Did anyone argue that personal attacks were always gratuitous? X: Personal attacks are often a response to a personal attack, they can be a reaction. LG: Doesn't there have to be a nonequanimous(?) person there for a personal attack to have an effect? snip X: Turq is not here so he can no longer speak freely here, his opinions have been now suppressed. He has been censored. So has 'R', removed by Rick. To me 'R' was like a swarm of mosquitoes; certainly you remember when he began to focus on you. LG: Another reaction to a form of button-pushing. I laughed at many of Richard's posts...to me, it was like an inside joke. Although he never did, if he began to focus on me, I'd probably ignore him unless he became malicious to the extent he did with outing CDB. I'm not sure if it was malicious or whether his constant form of joking got out of hand because he just didn't know when to quit. If someone asks you to stop because he/she feels uncomfortable with your approach to him/her, then you should just stop. J: And your final paragraph is gratuitously insulting to Doug. X: Insulting, perhaps, but not gratuitous. Doug is not a free
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum for me?
Share, you caught me completely by surprise with a response...it's good to hear from you! It was not my intention to draw you out of lurkerdom...I also enjoy lurking in the shadows...sinister laugh...and really don't understand my fascination with this place unless it's just to see what nuggets I can glean from the posts...you've just offered up a few. Anyway, it's good to see old friends returning to the place and I'm enjoying their posts. There's a satisfaction...dare I say comfort...in knowing that we're not going to change who we are, yet it doesn't matter, because it shouldn't prevent us from perhaps finding some value in what each other has to say...we are always in control of how what we read influences us, and can turn the reaction/response switch on and off. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : dear laughingG, thank you, not the least of which, for putting me with such interesting, dare I say riveting, posters, the 3 Rs (-: To my amazement, I have become a lurker, and a happy one at that. Same on the Peak. And the recent FFL developments fascinate me. Most everything about online communication fascinates me. Are all those very different voices really inside my own awareness? I think so. Astonishment! If we're not at peace with a certain voice that seems to be outside us, it does no good to censor it. It will merely show up in our lives somewhere else. Better to make peace with it, with all the parts of our self. From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 11:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Alex, can you post a question to the forum for me? As I read through most posts, I often find something to appreciate in what every author has written...Judy, TB, Xeno, CDB, Doug/Buck, Ann, Jim, Steve, Nabby, MJ, and even folks that no longer (or can no longer) post here including Share, Robin, Ravi, and even Richard (I guess these are the three 'Rs'). As I read, I think that I can sense the author's intent in what they are writing...sometimes it's malicious or purposely not playing fair in which case I chose not to respond although I feel bad for the writer, sometimes I have the aha moment and think the author is brilliant to which I sometimes respond with a pat on the back or choose to contribute to the discussion for as long as it holds my interest, sometimes I laugh out loud because the humor is subtle and I got the joke (Richard contributed that type of humor), etc. etc...you get the idea. snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show
Thanks Xeno...I'll try to post more often. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I was not around today, but we want to keep FFL. My suggestion was only at the potential heels of despotic moderation of FFL. Those who dislike this site as it is now could think of going over to The Peak, as it was expressly created to avoid this place as it is now. People stay here because it is more intellectually stimulating, in spite of the fact there is one person here that is stupider than all the others. The 'stupidest person' here is really a symbol, like that of the 'unknown soldier', it expresses a principle, not a personality. There is also the smartest person here, but he/she has not posted in a while, and it's not me, it's not Barry, it's not Judy, and it certainly was not Robin. Perhaps that is a figment of my imagination, but someone in a group is always the brightest star in the heavens. Attachment in the spiritual sense just means the awareness is not identified with the attachment, the mind only is. So the self/awareness can be free, and some attachments may remain. Maharishi got attached to people. This is not the 'level' on which attachment/identification in the spiritual sense occurs.
[FairfieldLife] Mad Men final episode
OK, for those that follow such things, what did you think of the final episode of Mad Men that aired last night? Don Draper sits a pretty decent half lotus in the closing shot of reciting OM and finding his inner self...the series definitely captured the times! What a hoot!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Message for Jim at the Peak
Beautifully stated Doug and so true! I never thought of my time in the movement back then in this way...you do have a way with words from time to time.
[FairfieldLife] Soul Life Talk Show
I'm not promoting this...just thought you'd be interested and comment on the guest speaker lineup: http://www.soullifetimes.com/soul-talk-show.html http://www.soullifetimes.com/soul-talk-show.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: The title of this article pretty much nails it
It's not about the behavior of a man who's been dead since 2008, or the bad behavior of the people closest to him in carrying out what they might have interpreted were his wishes, or that it in any way weakens or nullifies what he taught or the benefits enjoyed by most from the meditation he introduced to the world...it's about your behavior right here, right now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The title of this article pretty much nails it
Our brains are mush, huh? At least most of us can present a logical argument and can, when challenged, defend it. 'Twould seem that yours might be the brain that has turned to mush. Show us otherwise...I value my life too much to hold my breath.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The title of this article pretty much nails it
No, Mike, you didn't get it wrong. I had the same thought when MJ wrote that he didn't hate Maharishi...contempt yes but hatred no because he's not worth MJ's time. But then he sure spends a lot of time in his contempt for the man...would hatred take any more time? Talk about a disconnect...jez!
[FairfieldLife] Re: I need some spiritual help
Dear Serious Richard, Are you serious?!? Don't give up so easily...you are being tested by those very same gods that you seek to address with all those secret phrases, and you are failing by giving up so easily. Ask Rita to continue wholeheartedly with your plans to travel in India and you will be richly rewarded. Take it from someone who knows... LG ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Yeah, actually Rita just nixed this idea anyway. Maybe we will just go to a bar and have a beer or visit the San Fernando Cathedral on Sunday and light a candle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : That sounds like a long trip my friend. It all sounds so ... romantic. Two or three weeks is more than most people will want to spend in India, at least the first time. Get out of the big cities as quickly as you can. They are polluted and crowded beyond belief and filled with crime .When people look at you, they will see dollar signs in your eyes and wonder which arm they pull to win the jack pot.. Be careful of what you put in your mouth, even brushing your teeth. Chances are you're going to get sick. The holy places are places of pilgrimage. People go there in hopes of healing, from God only knows what diseases. Be careful of what you touch. Some times it takes a thorn to remove a thorn. Enjoy. From: richard@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I need some spiritual help P.S. My mother recently passed away (RIP) and left me and Rita a small fortune, so we are seriously considering a visit to Mt. Kailash in India to hunt for rare fungi, as part of our yoga sadhana. We want to visit the Connaught Circus, the Big Red Fort, the Braj, Puri, Sarnath, Bodhi Gaya, and as many holy spots, stupas, peeths and dhams, mutts, yogis, swamis, and fakirs as humanly possible, if they speak any English. If we see any short, fat, bald-headed guys in bed sheets, sitting cross-legged inside a tea stall in Kashi or at a funeral on the Ganges, we will get back to you. Do they have broadband up there yet? On the way over we will probably read Following the Equator by Mark Twain and the Lonely Planet Guide to India. by Rama Chandra. Please send any comments or questions you might have to the address below - otherwise you can be leaving a message at Whole Foods in Austin - we'll get back to you. Thanks for all the spiritual help! TO: That Bright Fellow From Texas (Tejas Wallah) General Delivery The Valley of the Saints, Uttar Kashi, Garwhal, UP, Himalayas, India ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Yes, I need some spiritual help - I will admit it - I think maybe I've lost my soul. How do I contact the spirit of my dead mother? I really miss her - for 65 years I was able to call her up on the phone, any time day or night - and talk to her about anything. Being an only child this was very important to me. Now that she is gone I would really like to talk to her again. Will You please help me - I really need some spiritual help. If not, why not? Is it asking too much of you pundits to give me some spiritual help? If you don't know how, just tell me you don't know and I will seek help somewhere else, like on the internet at alt.buddha.short.fat.guy. I already meditate twice a day and do yoga at least once a week, and I respond to almost every message on spiritual discussion groups, but sometimes I still get mad as hell. I'm trying to figure this out. I get down on my hands and knees and pray every day - when I go to bed at night I pray that I will wake up in the morning; when I do wake up, I give thanks for being able to wake up. But, how can I pass through the gateless gate and travel to the other side, beyond the physical world to see my dear mother? I'm doing the work! So, please help me. Also, I would like some help with learning human levitation and human flying. If I knew that secret technique, I could be a billionaire in a few days and I would give away half of that to the homeless and the needy. I would like to learn how to rise up slowly off of a sofa and fly up to the side of a mountain or lift up at Denny's in downtown L.A. to impress my friends and look like a Zen Master. I would like to learn more about all the siddhis mentioned by Patanjali, such as how to become as light as cotton fiber; to be invisible; to be able to see into the future and the past; make predictions so as to avoid the danger that lies ahead; and how to pass through solid objects to save time. And, I would like to learn a few more secret phrases to repeat when I address the gods so that I could command them to do give me boons and to be able to cause change at will. Does anyone on this group know anything about left-handed tantra? Or even right handed tantra? How do I go about weaving a basket
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until Barry is removed - Goodbye
Welcome back Doug/Buck, you old button-pusher you. I guess you need some excitement in your life huh? I can't believe that I once thought that what you wrote on FFL was kind of a joke and as Judy once alluded to (and I'm paraphrasing here). we just don't understand you and what you're trying to do. Also, I'm beginning to think you just might be insane.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Subscrtibe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : SS: Does this seem to anyone else, like an example of pent up anger and frustration being released in such a way that doesn't fit the supposed offense? LG: Could we have a show of hands? Yes, yes, yes, almost everyone. And here I thought Judy had left us...silly me! SS: Hey, it's just the like Maharishi's third day of checking: the stress being released will find something in the here and now as the vehicle for release. For this reason we don't pay much mind to the thoughts we have during stress release I'm not seeing stalking. Simmer down a bit, Barry. (-; ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : For the record, Jim, the Netherlands police and Interpol have been notified again of your renewed stalking attempts and breaches of Dutch law. They have now notified authorities in the U.S. You are now on record as having made these slanderous remarks on *two different occasions*, the second time after having been warned that these slanderous statements are in breach of Dutch law. Congratulations -- all of this boosts you to a higher level of surveillance. You may now rest assured that pretty much *everything* you write to the Internet from now on will be scrutinized. Too bad you couldn't let your obsession with me go. First reading two entire books in an attempt to find stuff you could post to slander me. Second, stalking me all over the Internet to try to find photos of me that you could crop and add derogatory captions to. Third, making up all of these claims about me, based on me using a throwaway phrase about a dead spiritual teacher no one seems to care about. Maybe you should go back to The_Leak before your brains leak completely out. :-) Oh, and by the way, since you seem to have forgotten about it, when you *first* stalked off in a snit from Fairfield Life, in an attempt to threaten Rick into getting rid of me, you claimed you wouldn't post here again as long as I was still here: Rick, I am sorry, but a forum where anyone is allowed to suggest sexual violence AGAINST children, is not someplace I want to be. I am truly sorry things have degenerated to this point. I am local to the Yahoo corporation, and am considering a detailed notice to the Yahoo administrators, including screen names, of this current activity. Barry makes one excuse after another, about using this foul, sexually perverted, and unbalanced voice, and is clearly not well. This is no longer a healthy environment for anyone to participate in. I am all for differing opinions on here, but you have allowed one individual's mental illness to co-opt what could be a fun place to hang out, and I guess I am one of the casualties. See ya!! So in addition to being so obsessed with someone you don't like that you're willing to break the law and have law enforcement officials in three countries looking into your activities, you're willing to LIE as you stalk out the door and have it hit you in the ass. You sure are some great role model for enlightenment, Jimbo. Up after midnight, STILL obsessing about Barry, and STILL so desperate for attention that you're trying to get people from FFL to come visit your lame-o forum. Sure must be tough to be you, but if I were you I'd stick to talking about Newage bullshit and making false claims about your enlightenment on The_Leak and stay away from FFL. Every time you come here you get yourself into more trouble. From: reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:22 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscribe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL Rick and I have known each other since the late 1970's - If he had truly been offended, he would not have subscribed to my new forum, The Peak. I can appreciate your sensitivity, though you expressed no such qualms, when Turq made a reference to Maharishi butt-fucking babies. His exact words, a month ago. This, along with the knowledge that Turq now lives with, and often babysits, a two year old girl, and had never used language like that before, really got to *my* sensitivities, so much so that I started my own forum. Apparently a lot of people agreed with my sensitivities, too. I guess we are all sensitive in different areas, eh? Anyway if you grow too sensitive for FFL, come on over the The Peak, and let's talk about it.:-) I thought your comment merited a response, though I won't be commenting further on here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote : Maybe I'm being a bit too sensitive, but the reverse_archery moniker suggests to me a cheap shot at Rick Archer which isn't needed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
An Important Message Private and confidential for Certified Governors September 22, 2014 Dear Certified Governors, I have received several letters from Governors wondering about a lecture that has been announced for November, in which George Hammond, a Governor from the 1970s, claims that he will be presenting a recent message given to him “directly by Maharishi.” I normally wouldn’t pay much heed to this, as there have been many people throughout the years, and currently, who believe they are in direct verbal contact with Maharishi (or Guru Dev, or Jesus Christ, or Abraham Lincoln in one case). Some of these people have approached me bearing “special messages for me from Maharishi” after I was made Raja. After several encounters like this, receiving messages that ran the gamut from semi-credible to inane, I now politely decline to even listen, explaining that Maharishi trained me very deeply and thoroughly, and continues to reside within my core Being, from where I take my inspiration. This case with George Hammond would be no different, except that our dear friend Jerry Jarvis has allowed his name to be associated with it, with the result that some Governors have sought my advice about it. Although I wouldn’t normally, under these peculiar circumstances, I felt it would be responsible for me to talk with George personally—which I did, in person and at some length. Let me comment on that very briefly, and then offer some general comments. I knew George and taught with him in the 70s, so our conversation was intimate and cordial. He was only willing to share snippets of “the message” with me, wanting to save the rest for his grand public event. But he did offer some highlights, including “messages” to me that were of a personal nature. My takeaway: these messages did not sound to me like the Maharishi we know—neither in tone nor in content. They sounded to me like George Hammond, and somewhat reminiscent of the philosophical books he has been writing since he left his professional work. (Focusing, for example, on grand Judeo-Christian-Islamic themes that Maharishi never showed much interest in.) While I cannot imagine any Certified Governors getting caught up by any of this, I do wish to convey some special cautions: 1. By hosting this event, George is representing, whether explicitly or implicitly, that he, now, is the conduit—the direct channel—to Maharishi. This could be dangerous, if anyone were to buy into it. As we all know, Maharishi, in his final decade with us, carefully created a global organization and structure designed to carry on his knowledge and his legacy. Maharishi personally selected, and spent years training, the individuals to administer his knowledge in every country, and established a Global Council headed by Maharaja to guide and formulate policy as the times require, to ensure the proper and effective presentation of the knowledge. Maharishi structured his organization on the self-perpetuating structure of Natural Law, so that it would endure for generations to come. For anyone to claim, from outside this structure, that Maharishi speaks through them, or that they are the ones who should guide Maharishi’s Movement, or (in some cases) attempt to create their own TM organization, is to completely disrespect Maharishi’s own, clearly and painstakingly laid out plans and intentions. 2. I am actually a bit more concerned about the potential negative impact of George’s event on the public. We have seen wonderful, growing support from government, public education, business, the Pentagon, the VA, and the educated public. To suddenly create the public impression that the Movement is now based on séance, on channeling the departed, or on the hearsay of any individual who is acting entirely on his own… the press would have a field day, potentially turning Maharishi’s entire Movement into a laughing stock. It could undermine our very delicate programs in public schools, the military, the VA, the NIH, with businesses and serious people everywhere. How could I, or any of us, give our support to this? 3. This event flies in the face of Maharishi’s constant, explicit admonitions on how to treat messages, and messengers, with information coming to them in meditation, in dreams, by telepathy, or by psychic communication: that they should simply be ignored in favor of what Maharishi actually said and did, and by what he taught us, so carefully, throughout his lifetime. It would be irresponsible for me, or for Maharaja or any Movement leader, to lend any credibility to this, for all the reasons I have presented. (Of course, if anyone sincerely feels that they have valuable ideas on how Maharishi’s Movement should operate, they are always warmly invited to communicate their ideas to the leaders of the Movement—e.g., to their National Leaders or their Executive Regional Directors or to me directly. This is the structure that
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mean Girls Club Playbook
Thanks Barry for the laugh of the week, if not the year. You may rest your case.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jim Carrey's Commencement address at MUM 24 May, 2014
One of Carrey's more serious movies is The Truman Show...a nice blend of spiritual values (i.e. there's much more to Reality than the reality we live daily) and his usual comedic charm. The premise is definitely unique making it one of the classics, and it's well worth the rental price.
[FairfieldLife] Majorca Journal worth a read
Some time back, Rick posted a link to a blog or website where a pdf file entitled Majorca Journal by Andrew MacKenzie was available for reading and/or download. What a trip down memory lane this was. Andy's writing seems to capture the essence of this early initiator course, and there's a bonus track as he calls it at the end about his experiences on staff at Livingston Manor for a few months in 1977. I found it definitely worth a read and couldn't help but think of MJ as I read it. How does one do a search of particular words in a topic here at Fairfield Life with the new format? Is it like the old method like we used to do before things changed, and if so, where do I find the search bar? Thanks! LG
[FairfieldLife] Hello from LG...no, not that one, but LaughingGull
I thought I'd pop my webhead into FFL just to say hello to all. I guess I'll get used to the new interface as far as posting is concerned although I don't like it for reading messages or following a particular topic. I'm back from India and had a surprising trip. India never fails to amaze me with new experiences that I accept for what they're worth. I went to my first Mother Meera darshan last week along with several hundred other people in attendance at my session. I've been aware of Her since maybe 2002 or so and have always wanted to attend. It was a very subtle and pleasant experience.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday Share
http://youtu.be/IS3HSguQNM8 Translation from gull-speak: Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday, dear (insert appropriate name here), Happy birthday to you! Alternate translation to true TMers everywhere: Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday to you, Happy CC, happy GC, happy Unity, to you! Through you, heaven on earth for all, Through you, heaven on earth for all. Jai Guru Dev --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Hey, that reminds me. HAPPY BIRTHDAY SHARE!! [Snip, snip, snip all other nonsense having nothing to do with birthday wishes, as well as changing subject line so as not to give more attention to original subject line than is deserved...not that that's a bad thing...well, yes, it *is* a bad thing...bad dog, very bad dog...]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday Share
As I mentioned earlier, I'm heading to FF week after next for the first couple of days of the Governors' thingy, so I'll be in dome for at least a couple of programs, then it's off to Mother India. Did I mention that I'm excited? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: laughing here too because I was talking to my Mom AND watching your gull youtube and she said goodbye, I can tell you're on Internet. But she said it so fast that I said, Mom, do you have to go to the bathroom? And she laughed and said yes and I said, I could tell, and then we both laughed. Me and my Mom have come a long way these past 65 years (-: Anyway, thank you for this laughingji, hope you're well and happy. You too Steve. Feeling lots of gratitude for it all, including everyone in the Funny Farm Lounge And guess what? It's only going up to 73F in FF today, yahoo! PS Happy Birthday to someone who's currently not posting on FFL but has in the past! From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 11:05 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday Share  http://youtu.be/IS3HSguQNM8 Translation from gull-speak: Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday, dear (insert appropriate name here), Happy birthday to you! Alternate translation to true TMers everywhere: Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday to you, Happy CC, happy GC, happy Unity, to you! Through you, heaven on earth for all, Through you, heaven on earth for all. Jai Guru Dev --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Hey, that reminds me. HAPPY BIRTHDAY SHARE!! [Snip, snip, snip all other nonsense having nothing to do with birthday wishes, as well as changing subject line so as not to give more attention to original subject line than is deserved...not that that's a bad thing...well, yes, it *is* a bad thing...bad dog, very bad dog...]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday Share
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: India in the summer? You must be a glutton for punishment. Oh, I thought that was a given as to anyone who posts here on FFL. ;-) Actually, it should be cooling slightly by the time I really get into the traveling part. I'm more concerned about the road washouts in north India preventing me from getting to where I really want to go. I'll just have to wait and see, then cross that bridge when I come to it, so to speak. Even my late guru came back early from a trip there and when I asked why he said too hot! He had become acclimated to US weather. On 06/29/2013 09:37 AM, laughinggull108 wrote: As I mentioned earlier, I'm heading to FF week after next for the first couple of days of the Governors' thingy, so I'll be in dome for at least a couple of programs, then it's off to Mother India. Did I mention that I'm excited? [snip}
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pine hit by ball lightning!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig wrote: I'm glad I wasn't sitting under THAT tree... L I'm afraid I was... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: A soccer ball size ball lightning caused this: [Salaman jx80;xa0;xa0;xe4;ljet nx80;xa0;xa0;xe4;kyvx80;xa0;xa0;xe4;t selvx80;xa0;xa0;xe4;sti puun kyljessx80;xa0;xa0;xe4;.]
[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who think that their perspective on things is always correct
I think the fig newtons are a metal cannister probably used to store fig newtons or cookies (or anything for that matter). The top one appears to be the lid. Of course, I'm sure everyone noticed the one obvious crossover in the bottom two squares. It's amazing what creative minds come up with...and what non-creative minds have to say about it in an attempt to malign...talk about too much time on one's hands! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: The most suspect element in the photo are the Fig Newtons. They are, I believe, a cardboard cutout of a picture of Fig Newtons. Check out the top one, there is an extra layer of Newton, check out the perspective, they are too big compared to the tool box and orange just behind them. He fudged but not by using photoshop in my opinion. But it is a fun exercise to figure it out and an interesting concept. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: it's his nature From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 6:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who think that their perspective on things is always correct --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: It isn't. For example, you probably think that the photo below is a photo montage, created from several different individual photos. It's not: http://petapixel.com/2013/06/20/this-mind-bending-colorful-photo-mosaic-is-actually-a-single-photograph/ That's right, this is one incredible boring one photo looking like 4 by colouring in photoshop. Some people just have too much time on their hands... And some people are so arrogant they make assertions based on ignorance. There is NO Photoshop work in the final photo, as you would have been able to see if you had looked closely at the staged things being photographed. All of the coloring comes from the staging itself. It certainly looks like he painted the left part of the table blue in photoshop but I could be wrong ofcourse, though I doubt it. It would have been *obvious* to you that this is exactly what he did, if you hadn't been so arrogant as to have never examined the Before photo of the arrangement of the items. But noo...you had to be an elitist. Your loss... It doesn't make the photo a bit more interesting if he did in real world, it's still a boring picture. ... Anyway, I'm happy that he finds the picture of these boring objects fascinating. In his and Curtis's world this is no doubt ART :-) I never said it was art, merely that it fucks with the mind and one's preconceptions. Clearly it DID just that with you. As for the quality or lack thereof of photographs, I should remind people that the criticism is coming from the guy who claims to be a professional photographer but has always been afraid to post even a *single* link to one of his photographs here. Afraid of criticism, or afraid of revealing his real name? Either is pretty pathetic.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi did NOT say ...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: that means that meditation like what marshy taught was essentially a meaningless pursuit. Yes, yes, MJ...you've got it now...the pursuit of meaninglessness. From: emptybill emptybill@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:45 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] What Maharishi did NOT say ...  Since the 14th Century, (i.e. with Shankaracharya Vidyaranya), the Indian understanding of Advaita has has gradually degraded until Yogic advaita has become the norm. It manifested in the idea that transcendence or nirvikalpa-samaadhi was the experiential requirement for brahma-jñana (knowledge of brahmâtman). This notion is directly adverse to Adi Shankara's written declarations about liberation: Upadesasahasri Shankara did not extol yogic nirvikalpa-samaadhi (non-conceptual absorption or transcendence). Rather, speaking from the understanding that the Self (Atman) is already nirvikalpa by nature, he firmly contrasts the true nature of the Self and the mind: As I have no restlessness (viksepa) I have hence no absorption (samadhi). Restlessness or absorption belong to the mind which is changeable.  A similar view is expressed in 13.17:  How can samadhi, non-samadhi or anything else which is to be done belong to me? For having meditated and known me, they realize that they have completed [all] that needed to be done.  and 14.35:  I have never seen non-samadhi, nor anything else [needing] to be purified, belonging to me who am changeless, the pure Brahman, free from evil.   In 15.14 Sankara presents a critique of meditation as an essentially dualistically structured activity:  One [comes] to consist of that upon which one fixes one's mind, if one is different from [it]. But, there is no action in the Self through which to become the Self. [It] does not depend upon [anything else] for being the Self, since if [it] depended upon [anything else], it would not be the Self.   Furthermore, in 16.39-40, Sankara implicitly criticizes the Sankhya-Yoga view that liberation is dissociation from the association of purusa and prakrti, when he says: It is not at all reasonable that liberation is either a connection [with Brahman] or a dissociation [from prakrti]. For an association is non-eternal and the same is true for dissociation also. One's own nature is never lost. As is evident in his writings, Sankara implicitly rejects both the emancipation of yoga, namely, that liberation has to be accomplished through the real dissociation of the purusa from prakrti, and the yogic pursuit towards that end, -  that is, the achievement of nirvikalpa or asamprajata-samadhi (transcendence). Read it and weep.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Uttarkashi Flash Flooded
Thank you Raviji for this information. I am planning such a trip next year and didn't know it was called that. Weatherwise and avoiding the crowds, what in your opinion is the best time to attempt such a pilgrimage? I'm thinking towards the end of the season before the winter sets in at that altitude. Anyone else want to come? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: There's the Ravi effect, my mom just got back from a trip there - before the floods started. A trip to Gangotri, Yamunotri, Badrinath Kedarnath, her first - supposedly a cool thing Hindus should do in their lifetime. I'm fine with trips to the Sierra Nevadas and retreat back to the Pacific Ocean. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chota_Char_Dham On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:05 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@...wrote: ** and you still think there is such a thing as the Marshy Effect? -- *From:* Buck dhamiltony2k5@... *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, June 17, 2013 9:52 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Uttarkashi Flash Flooded Have our Brothers on Purusha been heard of since? Floods and landslides have killed at least 19 people and destroyed buildings after heavy rain in North India. Fifteen people died in Uttarakhand state. Another four lost their lives in Himachal Pradesh, officials say. Footage showed a three-storey apartment building being washed away in the town of Uttarkashi. Reports said at least three people died - more are missing. Another 40 people are unaccounted for in Uttarakhand. Casualty figures are expected to rise. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-22936533
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy Stein as prison groupie
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: That's one way of looking at the situation. There are others. And here's one of them. I present it just *as* a theory, and as opinion. Unlike Judy, who tends to present *her* opinions and theories as if they were Absolute Fact, and the disputing of them a crime. :-) It struck me this morning that what Judy reminds me of with regard to her ongoing defense of Robin are those women who develop crushes on men confined to prison for life. Such women exist. They develop a strange fascination with a serial killer or some other lifer they've never met, and bombard them with letters, seeking to be their pen pals or lovers from afar or whatever they imagine themselves to *be* to these men. In some cases, these women have actually MARRIED the prisoners, even though they'll never spend a night together. My theory is that there's a bit of that in Judy Stein and her obsession with Robin. He's SAFE to obsess on, off there in the prison-of-his-own-making, having cut *himself* off from further communication. So she fawns and gushes over him from afar, trying to butter him up and hoping beyond hope that someday he'll come back to FFL and appreciate her for becoming what he was never able to achieve in real life -- a totally devoted cult follower. One wonders whether she imagines some odd *romance* going on between her and Robin, one that has been somehow frustrated by evil people like Curtis and Steve and myself getting in the way of their True Love. Altogether fairly odd behavior for a woman he never found interesting enough to have any long conversation with while he was actually around. Real in-her-head stalker fantasy stuff. It's just a theory. But run it through your internal processors and see if it doesn't describe her behavior pretty well. And if it doesn't explain it for you, come up with your own theory. But I warn you...if your Theory Of Judy Stein And Why She Does The Things She Does conflicts with her fantasy view of who she is and why *she* thinks she does what she does, you'll wind up on her Enemies List. And she tends to obsess on her perceived enemies the same way she tends to obsess on those she has fantasy romantic relationships with in her head. :-) Just in case you were hoping for some minion-type response in rebuttal for your obvious button pushing routine I have included a wonderful recipe below. Try it, you won't be disappointed.Sachertorte Epicurious | November 2004 by Rick Rodgers Kaffeehaus: The Best Desserts from the Classic Cafés of Vienna, Budapest, and Prague http://www.amazon.com/Kaffeehaus-Exquisite-Desserts-Classic-Budapest/dp\ /0609604538/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF photo by Epicurious * recipe http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/Sachertorte-231043 * reviews (32) http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/reviews/Sachertorte-231043 * photo http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/photo/Sachertorte-231043 * video http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/video/Sachertorte-231043 * wine pairings http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/wine-pairings/Sachertorte-231043\ * my notes http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/Sachertorte-231043 * find out more http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/more/Sachertorte-231043 user rating 93% would make it again [user rating] user rating: Sachertorte4 forks rate this recipereview this recipeat a glance main ingredientsChocolate http://www.epicurious.com/tools/searchresults?att=86type=advanced , Apricot http://www.epicurious.com/tools/searchresults?att=470type=advanced typeCake http://www.epicurious.com/tools/searchresults?att=28type=advanced cooks' toolsconversion chart http://www.epicurious.com/tools/conversions technique videos http://www.epicurious.com/video [Sachertorte] http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/photo/Sachertorte-231043 enlarge image http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/photo/Sachertorte-231043 yield: Makes 12 to 16 servings Editor's note: The recipe and introductory text below are excerpted from Rick Rodgers's book http://www.amazon.com/Kaffeehaus-Exquisite-Desserts-Classic-Budapest/dp\ /0609604538/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1237993518sr=8-1 Kaffeehaus: The Best Desserts from the Classic Cafés of... http://www.amazon.com/Kaffeehaus-Exquisite-Desserts-Classic-Budapest/dp\ /0609604538/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1237993518sr=8-1 more subscribe to Bon Appétit http://www.condenastdirect.com/group/bna_070507_split ingredientsTorte: * 4 1/2 ounces high-quality bittersweet chocolate, finely chopped * 9 tablespoons (1 stick plus 1 tablespoon) unsalted butter, at cool room temperature * 1 cup confectioners' sugar *
[FairfieldLife] Re: Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Are you certain this is a recertification course? From the descriptions I read, it didn't say that. I got the impression it's just a gathering of governors, but maybe I'm wrong. According to Hagelin's announcement several months back, this might be the *last* recertification course for some time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, drrishi1 drrishi1@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, drrishi1 drrishi1@ wrote: thank you for the reply, it reveals alot --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, drrishi1 drrishi1@ wrote: I have never been to Fairfield and will be attending the Governor recertification course. Any reccomendations as to the best housing choices? What are you thinking in recertifying as a Governor? Just wondering. You were a gov and never in Fairfield, that is interesting. -Buck Yes,was an initiator,1972, then associate 108, didn't become a governor until India, 1986. by that time I was very involved in a healthcare career. I work with alot of wounded warrior programs and I would like to be recertified.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Buck, just how does the TMO define 'a Saint'? How do they define the lines that are crossed? Crossing over? A line for the Dome badge, saints as spiritual teachers who teach spiritual practices too. They [The Bevan element] have a line between saints who are spiritual teachers and saints who are healers. In their minds that sorts out a Master John Douglas [or the Chinese medicine man who Bevan might well use] who they see as just healers, out from an Ammachi or other saints and Sat Gurus. That of course is because an upper echelon of the movement does see, hosts and use Master John Douglas as a healer and the local TM administration conveniently ignores the dissonant fact that Master John Douglas teaches spiritual techniques as spiritual practices thus allow those people to keep their own badges. Their healer spiritual teacher is a saint if anyone is. =Keeping the company of saints, mahatmas, wise people: At incredible risk to their Dome badges. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg Really nice pictures of the Domes on the [IA Assembly] page. http://www.mum.edu/public-service/invincible-america http://www.mum.edu/public-service/invincible-america The Domes are an incredibly real nice place to meditate. We could sure use the re-enforcements if we could just bring back some fugitive meditators again. Something's got to change. -Buck in the Dome Hey Buck, I'll be coming to FF and will be in the men's dome for at least a couple of days. Maybe I'll see you around. Just between you and me, I'm on my way to India to see all the saints. And I'm recertified! Oh, the shame! Let's meet for lunch. [snip]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: Which saints in India, LaughingG? Hi Susan, As far as living saints are concerned, I'm leaving that completely up to nature. I'll be traveling to some prime saint areas for several weeks at least, and will definitely be out and about among the natives so we will see what is revealed. If and when the time is ripe, we're sure to run into each other and I'll get what I need. As far as dead saints are concerned, I'll be visiting the mahasamadhi mandirs of several just to participate in the daily pujas. Very powerful and really sweet. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Buck, just how does the TMO define 'a Saint'? How do they define the lines that are crossed? Crossing over? A line for the Dome badge, saints as spiritual teachers who teach spiritual practices too. They [The Bevan element] have a line between saints who are spiritual teachers and saints who are healers. In their minds that sorts out a Master John Douglas [or the Chinese medicine man who Bevan might well use] who they see as just healers, out from an Ammachi or other saints and Sat Gurus. That of course is because an upper echelon of the movement does see, hosts and use Master John Douglas as a healer and the local TM administration conveniently ignores the dissonant fact that Master John Douglas teaches spiritual techniques as spiritual practices thus allow those people to keep their own badges. Their healer spiritual teacher is a saint if anyone is. =Keeping the company of saints, mahatmas, wise people: At incredible risk to their Dome badges. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg Really nice pictures of the Domes on the [IA Assembly] page. http://www.mum.edu/public-service/invincible-america http://www.mum.edu/public-service/invincible-america The Domes are an incredibly real nice place to meditate. We could sure use the re-enforcements if we could just bring back some fugitive meditators again. Something's got to change. -Buck in the Dome Hey Buck, I'll be coming to FF and will be in the men's dome for at least a couple of days. Maybe I'll see you around. Just between you and me, I'm on my way to India to see all the saints. And I'm recertified! Oh, the shame! Let's meet for lunch. [snip]
[FairfieldLife] Re: help requested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Where the hell was Steve when Share needed him so badly? Steve, Steve, are you out there? Get that horse saddled up and get out of your pajamas and into that suit of armour, there is a woman in need of assistance and you're still working on your pancakes. Hi Ann, I didn't get a chance to catch any of this until after work, and this post of yours, until now. But thank you for raising this issue. Really I was hoping someone would. Naturally I felt some anger at what Barry directed in Share's direction. But as I've been in the habit of not posting much, I didn't really care to jump in the fray. But I will tell you something. As I went through the posts, I marveled at how beautifully Share handled this. I think this woman is remarkable, IMNSHO. Unlike so many others she was able to absorb the negativity directed her way and transform it into something humorous and positive. At least as far as I have read so far. And I don't foresee that evaluation changing. In particular, the way she handles Judy is a lesson of someone who I feel exemplifies a higher state of consciousness. So, thank you for letting me express to Share indirectly, what I may have been a little bashful expressing directly to her. You are very welcome Steve and I am relieved that you have weighed in on this. I was having doubts, fears, that you had abandoned this woman, this fragile and helpless waif who was set upon by the Bully we all know as Barry the Wright. She doesn't deserve what she got blasted with, she was blindsided and sucker punched by this Paris dweller who was obviously feeling a tad grumpy this morning. However, you have come through as I knew you must. We have all been reminded, beautifully, of how worthy your damsel in not as much distress as we had feared could handle this type of situation. And boy, she did great; she transcended the low blows of a male gone rogue and surfaced with her usual charm and wit and sense of humour. Might she be a saint, do you think? Saint Share...you gotta admit it *does* have a certain ring to it...must be all that alliteration. I dare you to try saying it 10 times really fast. What do you think you'd get if you try what this guy's doing? http://youtu.be/ZjXLPW6geL0
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann's astrological analysis
Well done Raviji. I must say that I really like this side of you...you're a natural! Where did you learn all this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Dear Ann, First off, let me remind you again that I use astrological analysis for personal growth - nothing less, nothing more. It only strengths, weaknesses, inclinations, challenges, influences in various domains of life. The unique, personal consciousness of the person under consideration. It does your destiny in a sense, doesn't show free-will, would a good tool for understanding one-self, tuning oneself in meeting reality. I have an analysis below. Understand this is what your chart shows. You might be already aware of many of your challenges, of your inclinations and you certainly may have already overcome or addressed them, especially considering how you come across on FFL. Of course I might have been completely off the mark - anyway I will wait for your feedback. - You are a very self-focused individual, hardworking, reliant, disciplined - you, most likely at a young age were compelled to take responsibility owing to family circumstances. You were either through your or other's perceptions counted on to be the elder, regardless of if you were not the eldest of your siblings or not, you were the major influence, had the major say in your family. You have a powerful need to be nurture and be nurtured. You spend a lot of your effort,energy into creating a secure home for yourself - probably stemming from your childhood. Mostly extremely attached to your mother and not the father, yet there is lot of friction with the mother, with feelings. You get involved or get caught up, willingly or unwillingly in lot of family drama. OTOH your relationship with your father created feelings of being un-tethered. You can also get caught up in emotional upheavals, melancholy, this sense of burdened by being the go-to person, an obsessive emotional hang-up, matters involving death, dying. (All this the sign of Scorpio being your ascendant with Moon, Saturn and Rahu - yes Rahu and the ascendant lord in the 4th house). The predominant influence of Scorpio makes you exceptionally intuitive, you love to see through, gather the motivations of others. You are totally turned off by superficiality, in-authenticity You have a presence, you radiate a natural power because of this influence. So the way to release the tension from the issues, the burdens of the emotional upheaval, over-reliance on self - presented earlier is you being involved with your home and your spouse - this relaxes you. Being involved with spouse in social circles of higher knowledge, you may have met your spouse in such a fashion, you value your spouse for his knowledge or you look up to him as such. You have a natural respect for men that present higher knowledge - these are attractive qualities for you. Knowledge is fun, knowledge and fun, pleasure are not contradictory for you. They go hand in hand. Spouse is an area of fun, knowledge and relaxation (Venus and Jupiter in the 11th house). The ideas of a reform, freedom, justice, equality are very important for you, in a concrete sense - you can be a trouble maker and pulled the plug on where you saw these compromised People view you as a dynamic and enterprising in this aspect (a little tainted by my knowledge of your time with Robin, but it's there in your chart). You are a very charming, diplomatic communicator - always seeking middle ground, playing devil's advocate, covering all contingencies and possibilities, your opinions always with qualifiers, contingencies. You may also be fascinated with visual imagery, symbols, myths - because of your Mercury in the 12th house (Sun Mercury in the 12th house in Libra) You yearn, desire to leave your mark as a intuitive, compassionate, sensitive, perceptive as your contribution, in the areas of the inner search of truth, spirituality. - That's all I have for now dear Ann, it's just a basic analysis - I didn't cover many aspects because there's lot more that can be said. May be depending on your feedback I may have more, or I may go back and come back with something I missed or the other areas that I have completely skipped.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Voice in the Argument about Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: What the hard problem is *about* is something very simple, very immediate, very transparent--that there is *something it is like* to be you, to be me, to be Dennett. You may have to sit with that phrase for awhile before it makes sense; but once it does, a whole lotta crap just falls away. Share: But my speculation is that it might have something to do with the vibratory nature of energy and matter, something yet to be understood by modern science. Though I think ancient rishis experienced it and wrote about it... authfriend: Experienced what and wrote about what? Everybody with a functioning mind experiences qualia, and loads of people, philosophers and scientists, have written about them... It looks like Share hit the nail on the head with this one: the whole TMer notion of cosmic consciousness is based on the vibratory nature of the qualia. It has already been confirmed by none other than emptybill that TM is based on the Spanda theory of vibration, which agrees with MMY's thoughts on the mechanics of consciousness vis-s-vis the Kashemere Tantrism. That the experience of qualia is not understood by modern science is not speculation, it's a fact. On the other hand, just about everything has something to do with the vibratory nature of energy and matter one way or another. So you're not really saying anything of any interest... It's the non-TMer theories by the pundits like Xeno and Sal that are of no interest to the average TMer. LoL! Vijnana Bhairava Tantra: The central tenet of this system is everything is 'Spanda', both the objective exterior reality and the subjective world... Spanda: The Spanda system, introduced by Vasugupta (c. 800 AD), is usually described as 'vibration/movement of consciousness. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir_Shaivism Any relationship to the much later introduced Spandex? The Spandex system, introduced by DuPont (c. 1959 AD) is usually described as 'jiggly/molding of cellulite'. The central tenet of this system is everything should be clothed in 'Spandex', both the body's exterior fleshy folds as well as the inner layers of fat... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spandex Thoughts anyone?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where is Jay Latham now?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote: laughinggull108: The first 49 of 560 pages of Galaxy of Fire. Other than the Table of Contents and Preface, not much to read this early in the book. The really good stuff is in the last half. http://tinyurl.com/ntdku3 Jay Latham: Why is he here? How did he get in? The men were all clean shaven and had their best suits on. Worst of all, there couldn't have been more than fifteen Westerners, all total; the very top of Maharishi's Western organization, all there by personal invitation from Maharishi himself, and all sitting in the front row in full view of the main entrance. So much for blending in. Behind the Westerners sat hundreds of exuberant brahmin boys whom Maharishi was instructing in the Vedas. The few ladies I saw were the top administrators of Maharishi's Thousand Headed Mother Divine Course. I sat down directly in front of Maharishi who was sitting about fifteen feet away on his dais. To his left, and above him on his own dais was the present Shankaracharya of Jyothirmath, the spiritual pope of North India, Sri Swami Vishnudevananda. To his left, sitting on an even higher dais, was Guru Dev's successor (appointed by Guru Dev himself, in his will), Shri Swami Shantanand Saraswati Maharaj, retired Shankaracharya of Jyothirmath. These two sat under the gold and red umbrella of the Shankaracharya, on the throne-like chairs of their position. Surrounding them were about fifty of the most illustrious looking orange-clad swarmis I'd ever seen. This was the top of India's spiritual tradition in the flesh. The stage area was surrounded by hundreds of lights (candles, oil and ghee lamps) which are traditionally lit for Diwali. The scene was a blaze of spiritual light. As I was sitting down Marc looked up at me with an inquisitive, raised eyebrow and silently conveyed, What in the hell are you doing here ... what's with the beard and the dhoti, are you completely out of your mind? The other Westerners were also checking me out, having, of course, immediately recognized me. I didn't even want to know their thoughts. All I could think was God, when you fulfill a desire you really go all out. Since this is probably the last time I'll see Maharishi for not being properly invited, I must thank you for the fabulous send-off. I drank in the whole scene. I'd stepped into the ageless, fiery world of the Swami Order of Lord Shankara. A Sanskrit puja was underway in which Maharishi was the deity. A couple of old pujaris were chanting, with one making offerings to Maharishi splashing Ganges water on him, adorning him with green leaves, offering incense, light from ghee lamps, etc. It reminded me of a silent film I'd seen of Maharishi's master, Guru Dev, in which he was worshipped as Shankaracharya in similar fashion. This was a great honor for Maharishi, and demonstrated in the most symbolic way possible that he was held in highest esteem by the present Shankaracharya Order; with both the reigning and retired Shankaracharyas of Jyothirmath in attendance. They obviously regarded Maharishi as the most enlightened disciple of their own guru, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (Guru Dev). I had heard that Swami Vishnudevananda was supporting Maharishi and his movement in recruiting Indians for the mass group practice of the TM- Sidhi program. Maharishi always generates a feeling of eternality and transcendent silence around him that is the most profound I've ever felt, but I had experienced this most often in the context of large gatherings of Westerners in Europe. In the midst of his own people, including the most illustrious of the Swami Order itself, the feeling was deeper, more natural, because the land and its spiritual history supported it. This was the Whole Thing, the Real Thing as Guru Dev used to say. If this were to be my last sight of the master, I had picked the right night. I felt God smiling on me. For the entire evening, Maharishi remained in samadhi, eyes closed. That doesn't mean he was completely lost to the world, though, because at one point I felt as if he were scanning me checking me out with his inner vision. He's far too powerful to not have his attention felt by his teachers. I felt him look right through me, my organs, subtle body, mind, everything. While this was going on, I tried to send him the telepathic message: Lord Shiva got me in here as a boon. If Maharishi was upset about my being here, it was his own fault-he was the one who taught me, in person, the highly effective techniques for locating transcendental consciousness and fulfilling desires through That. I was living proof of his own success this night. I'd gotten through his carefully selected, highly effective
[FairfieldLife] Re: LB's Survival in Paradise #1 and #2 available
Thanks Judy. I particularly liked Jay Latham's piece in issue 2. Very powerful writing (as in Galaxy of Fire) and worth keeping as I plan a pilgrimage to these same hallowed grounds. I didn't know Jay well but I spent some time with him in Livingston Manor in the late 70s on governor staff. Anyone here know Jay well and can share what he was all about? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: For anyone who's interested, issues #1 and #2 (March 4 and 25, 1993) of LB Shriver's newspaper Survival in Paradise have been posted on his Fairfield blog: http://fairfieldiowa.wordpress.com/survival-in-paradise/ Issue #4 (August 26, 1993) is available in the Files section here, but it's a messy PDF that's not easy to read (#1 and #2 have been scanned and OCR'd and are clean as a whistle--a few OCR typos notwithstanding). Issue #4 is here: http://fairfieldiowa.wordpress.com/survival-in-paradise/ Filename Survival.pdf There's interesting stuff in all of them, including some good writing from LB, as well as some rather, um, idiosyncratic pieces by contributors. The issues are informative from a historical perspective, but also rather sad given LB's optimism at the time about positive change in the TMO.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where is Jay Latham now?
He may be a highly evolved 10-12 year old living somewhere on earth or maybe he's with his beloved Shiva haunting those isolated places high in the Himalayas. As far as reaching out to him, you might try a legitimate medium. unless that's an oxymoron. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wleed3 WLeed3@... wrote: Where is jan now like to reach out to him now? In a message dated 05/31/13 07:46:09 Eastern Daylight Time, no_re...@yahoogroups.com writes: Thanks Judy. I particularly liked Jay Latham's piece in issue 2. Very powerful writing (as in Galaxy of Fire) and worth keeping as I plan a pilgrimage to these same hallowed grounds. I didn't know Jay well but I spent some time with him in Livingston Manor in the late 70s on governor staff. Anyone here know Jay well and can share what he was all about? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: For anyone who's interested, issues #1 and #2 (March 4 and 25, 1993) of LB Shriver's newspaper Survival in Paradise have been posted on his Fairfield blog: http://fairfieldiowa.wordpress.com/survival-in-paradise/ Issue #4 (August 26, 1993) is available in the Files section here, but it's a messy PDF that's not easy to read (#1 and #2 have been scanned and OCR'd and are clean as a whistle--a few OCR typos notwithstanding). Issue #4 is here: http://fairfieldiowa.wordpress.com/survival-in-paradise/ Filename Survival.pdf There's interesting stuff in all of them, including some good writing from LB, as well as some rather, um, idiosyncratic pieces by contributors. The issues are informative from a historical perspective, but also rather sad given LB's optimism at the time about positive change in the TMO. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where is Jay Latham now?
The first 49 of 560 pages of Galaxy of Fire. Other than the Table of Contents and Preface, not much to read this early in the book. The really good stuff is in the last half. http://tinyurl.com/ntdku3 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: wleed3: Where is Jay Lathem now? According to Bob Brigante, Jay Latham is dead. You can read some excerpts from Jay's book here: 'From Galaxy of Fire by Jay Latham' http://tinyurl.com/loysc9y 'Galaxy of Fire' http://tinyurl.com/k42g6xg 'Galaxy of Fire' by Jay Latham Sunstar, 2001 http://www.amazon.com/Galaxy-Fire-Jay-Latham/dp/1887472770
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: What d'you reckon this is all about? TMO generally don't give away nothin'. Any thoughts Buck? Numbers. Group meditation Dome numbers. Well, Birx and Bevan were extolling at the meeting tonite that in strategy to inspire people in the experience they shall put on refresher meetings for the sidhis practice. Fine, but you need to have a Dome badge first and first need to apply. They are fundamental elitists in approaching the problem. Even though they have 27,000 people (Gov's?) who had learned the Sidhis in N. America over the years. Folks need a Dome badge. Wait for the application process for this summer's course. Things on that level have not changed. They still are asking people if they've seen saints. Bevan has not changed on this. See: http://applicantqv.blogspot.com/2012/03/yogic-flying-tm-banned-from-domes.html Actually there was only one person tonite at the landmark meeting who brushed up against this talking about how experiences have been compromised in people because of an underlying problem. She spoke in code of course with the big guy up there in front of the room. Otherwise the suggestions were trivial, as if people did not know the antipathy old meditators have with the movement with the elephant sitting in the room. Two elephants actually. Post of the month. You are a very funny guy Doug! (And in more ways than one.) http://youtu.be/WUHAKavSoRU http://youtu.be/7cyOTePx9-M No really, I'll be there because I never can say goodbye. From: Dick Mays dickmays@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 8:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield Begin forwarded message: From: TM National Education Office education@ Subject: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield Date: May 29, 2013 6:01:12 PM CDT To: dickmays@ Reply-To: education@ campaigns.819023.5115162.cfbed4afd3@ Special Governors Assembly, July 7-21, Fairfield, Iowa VIEW EMAIL WITH IMAGES A Special Gift to All Governors and Recertified Governors * No Course Fee * Limited Free On-Campus Housing * One-Week and Two-Week Options Dear Governors, It is a great pleasure to invite all of Maharishiâs Governors and Recertified Governors to enjoy a very special assembly of knowledge and experience at Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield, Iowa, from July 7â21. All are warmly invited to stay and enjoy the Guru Purnima Celebration on July 22. Rare Videos of Maharishi, Special Presentations, Knowledge Meetings, and Profound Rest The course will feature: * Wonderful, rare videos of Maharishi * Special presentations by leaders of the national organization * The latest news of the expansion of Maharishiâs knowledge in the US and around the world * Deep programs in the Golden Domes at MUM. The daily schedule will include full participation in the Invincible America Assembly, which includes two long rounds in the morning and a full afternoon round. There will be knowledge meetings every afternoon and evening, ending early enough for maximum rest and fulfilling experiences in the Golden Domes. Of great benefit will be a checking of the TM-Sidhi® program provided by TM-Sidhi administrators Drs. Doug and Linda Birx. A Special Evening with the Founders of Maharishiâs Worldwide Organization A special evening is planned to celebrate the blissful history of the beginnings of Maharishiâs worldwide organization, with great luminaries from those early days. You will be sure to find lots of old friends on the course, and enjoy the special atmosphere created when many Governors get together to dive deep into knowledge and experience. The Course Fee Has Been Waived for All Governors This wonderful course is a special gift to all Governors and has NO course fee, though course participants will be responsible for their own transportation and meals (you can purchase passes for Annapurna Dining Hall on campus). There are several housing options, including limited availability of free on-campus housing. For those who cannot attend the full two weeks, there are one-week course options. Please let your Governor friends know about this course! I look forward to seeing as many Governors as possible at this most enjoyable opportunity to be together this summer. Jai Guru Dev Raja John Hagelin Raja of Invincible America Special
[FairfieldLife] Re: A rap about Cognitive Dissonance
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: turq, I like how you emphasize fun and playfulness which Whedon didn't bring up til the very end of his address. And there's nothing for me to forgive. Well except I never used the word distress. I said uncomfortable but Whedon himself kept talking about tension and CD. To me it seemed like he was saying that without any tension, there's no CD. You are right, cognitive dissonance is *defined* as a conflict of ideas or perceptions that creates tension and discomfort. Often the conflict is between an idea and a perception (i.e., between a thought about something and the experiential reality of it). Bardo-vs.-nothing after death is not, for Barry at least, cognitive dissonance. They're just two theories, either of which might be true, and both of which are OK with him from his pre-death perspective. If he were to decide that the bardo idea was nonsense and that nothing was surely the after-death circumstance, and after death found himself in the bardo, *that* would be cognitive dissonance. ;-) If he reads this, he will proceed to explain why that would not cause him any tension or discomfort. Just in general, he avoids entertaining conflicting sets of ideas/perceptions that cause him tension or discomfort. He finds a way to achieve cognitive consonance just as fast as he can--which is what cognitive dissonance theory predicts, that we will do whatever it takes to resolve cognitive dissonance. *bzt* and *plonk*...no, make that double *plonk*...IMHO of course. PS I do think your discussion of bardo vs no bardo was a theoretical discussion which in another thread you said you don't like. But probably I'm just being picky wicky (-: From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 1:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] A rap about Cognitive Dissonance  Share will have to forgive me for not answering her questions in line, but I have been pondering them, so I will try to explain what I mean by cognitive dissonance, and why I don't think it's in the least upsetting or uncomfortable. As defined, CD is holding two or more conflicting and in many cases opposite ideas in one's mind at the same time. For many people, this causes them some upset, confusion, or distress. Many react *to* CD by stuffing the opposite idea or concept they don't want to deal with, and pretending it isn't there. Me, I prefer to bring it into the foreground of my thinking and deal with it, juggling it alongside any other ideas I might hold that it might seem to be the opposite of. For me, CD is FUN. One of the reasons for this is that I owe no allegiance to any particular philosophy, school of thought, religion, or tradition. I am a member of no spiritual group or cult or religion or lineage, and hold no teacher or guru or saint as an authority. For me, they were all Just Human Beings, doing their best to suss out the nature of life, given their own experiences and what they had been told by other people. This FREES me to some extent from the *attachment* that causes so many people distress when encountering CD. For example, if you have spent a long time in the TM movement, you might have come to believe that MMY was an authority, knowledgeable about many things, and thus To Be Believed when he talked about them. I hold no such belief. I also hold no such belief with regard to the original Buddha, or any other spiritual teacher in history, living or dead. I consider them ALL just fellow human beings, spouting their opinions. But if I *did* believe what I've suggested about MMY, I might be tempted to *resist* examining certain ideas that run counter to his beliefs and teachings. When these ideas come up, a MMY TB might be tempted to think, Well, that is completely contrary to what MMY said, so of course it can't be true. Therefore I shouldn't even waste time thinking about it. Doing this, they avoid the potential distress of CD. Me, I examine the ideas. I don't owe MMY or his ideas or teachings any loyalty, and I don't owe them belief in these ideas of teachings. I make my own decisions. Thus, for me, seemingly contradictory ideas are an opportunity to PLAY, to examine seemingly contradictory ideas from many different viewpoints, and see which of these POVs strike a resonance with me. I'm not trying to determine Truth because I don't believe in the concept. I'm only playing with the ideas to see which seem most reasonable to me, based on my life experience and the general guidelines provided by Occam's Razor. Let me give you a couple of examples. They are both questions that some people feel are weighty, and that many of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
How about daily peaceful marches during the conference like back during the civil rights movement with signs, speeches, and the whole nine yards? It would have to be off campus of course but would the FF powers-at-be issue the necessary permits for the streets or highways abutting the campus? Who knows, LB might even make an appearance. Here's an idea: you could have a flyover dropping leaflets and other truths (or propaganda depending on which way you swing). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Son, you were not here so don't just assume things but yes your advice below is good and true about the fourth estate below. That is also how things get done around here. Obviously they read this page and others about themselves and can move in ways accordingly. The meeting was a TM movement style public meeting where they control the stage seats and microphones in their way of decorum. Very top-down with the authority up front in the stuffed chairs with the mics. We're an extremely verbal group, but. When the mics were opened up a bunch of people lined up for the floor mics and the line got worked through. Mostly sincere people and some aggravated people too get up thinking to solve the problem in little ways. A couple good new ideas come but nothing of fundamental change offered. Not many people from in the town. Mostly concerned earnest faith-based kind of movement people who are not really going to jeopardize their access to everything by speaking out much truth to power. Though as soon as the meeting is over folks are talking to one another about real things. The enforced steady decorum of the moderated mic was not really about discussion. Just quick consideration of one point per and the point would be referred to further consideration in some groups. Mayor Malloy as a meditator did do an excellent job of moderating the usual community crazies too who get up to any open mics in any public meeting. After a while they announced the last comment as the mic went to a guy that it was getting late and the meeting was to end. So it went. Nothing really substantial related to our community deficit in the Dome numbers and who was responsible. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Actually there was only one person tonite at the landmark meeting who brushed up against this talking about how experiences have been compromised in people because of an underlying problem. She spoke in code of course with the big guy up there in front of the room. Otherwise the suggestions were trivial, as if people did not know the antipathy old meditators have with the movement with the elephant sitting in the room. Two elephants actually. Buck, I'm going to have to call you on this one. If YOU were there, why didn't YOU speak up? The problems with the dome program are NOT because of the people administrating them. They're caused by the roomful of pussies to timid or too intimidated to say something about the policies. Don't you DARE keep ranting about Bevan and his gang if YOU didn't have the balls to say something when offered the opportunity to do so. I'm mentioning this partly because of the chorus of laudations for the late LB Shriver. I never knew him, and his contributions to FFL were before my time. But I've noticed a tendency in some people checking in here to admire him for standing up to the powers that be and actually making some of his comments and criticisms in public. Which is admirable, except that the people applauding him for doing this don't seem to do this themselves. They bend over and take in the ass from the TMO policies, then grumble safely from behind pseudonyms about the perps not having used any K-Y, if they grumble at all. NOTHING will change about the TM movement until this codependent enabling stops. I've said it before and I'll probably say it again -- if you want a change to these discriminatory and probably illegal policies, TAKE IT TO THE PRESS. Go public, and go large. Nothing terrifies tyrants more than the things they're doing behind closed doors being made public. Nothing encourages them more to *continue* doing these things than a bunch of terrified sheep too timid to complain that the shepherds are buggering them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Mothers Day from the Alamo Drafthouse Cinema
IFC also has a somewhat morbid sense of humor this Mother's Day as they're showing Mommie Dearest continuously starting at 2:30 ET today...nearing the end of the second showing...third showing starts at 8:15 pm ET. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 05/12/2013 11:14 AM, turquoiseb wrote: This was their Mothers Day card sent to frequent customers. At least someone in Austin has a sense of humor. Passed along to those who believe that Mother Divine is the only image of motherhood out there... :-) [https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/21287_1015147624\6263051_1633476000_n.jpg] From what movie? Mommie Dearest, 1981: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082766/reference http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUkE9qaVgmo Poignant to me after spending some time with Maya over a holiday weekend, seeing again how fortunate she is to be raised by two loving Mommies, one Daddy, and one doting Uncle.
[FairfieldLife] Curtis, Ann (was Re: CyberPanic, the update, f)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Right - when faced with the brutal efficiency of the mean machine that is the Judy Truth-O-meter, here are the following ways to cope up with the discomfort, stress it causes. 1) Judy is a cyber-stalker (Barry) 2) Judy is bat-shit crazy (Barry) 3) Judy is an attention-vampire (Barry) 4) Judy is a malicious troll (Curtis) 5) Judy directs toxic energy towards strangers on Internet forums (Curtis) 6) Judy has an unfriendly agenda (Curtis) 7) Judy doesn't have a personal life (Barry, Steve) 8) Judy micro parses everything (Steve, Curtis) 9) Judy doesn't share her personal details (Steve) 10) Judy is part of Robin's cult (Share) 11) Judy is mean (Share) 12) Judy starts fights (Susan) 13) It's just Judy's opinion (Barry, Curtis, Steve, Share, 14) Facts and truth don't matter in Unity - Guru Xeno 15) Facts, truth are all inventions of the mind - Guru Xeno. Anyone else has any more? Victims of Judy's Truth-O-Meter have developed inadequate coping mechanisms because they are stuck in the red zone: http://americanpatrol.com/POPUPS/IMAGES/BS-Meter.gif Not sure about the red zone but definitely well into the black zone of this one: [Give A Fuck O Meter. . ] http://www.funnyjunk.com/movies/2129172/Heffalumps/ On May 8, 2013, at 1:49 PM, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: Judy, It sounds as if you think your opinions - oops I mean Facts - are Right. About everything. And you are fighting me. Carry on and enjoy yourself. You know, Susan, it's a funny thing, but when I cite what appears to me to be a fact, and nobody seems to be able to come up with evidence to refute it, or even a good reason to call it in question, I tend to assume that, by George, it *is* a fact. If you do (or anyone else does) ever come up with solid evidence or a good argument against anything I've said, by all means let me know. I'm happy to hear whatever you've got, and if I turn out to be wrong, I'll acknowledge it. Snide remarks in the absence of evidence or argument, however, I'm not inclined to take very seriously.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another of Roger Ebert's last film reviews...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: I think your husband will love the book then. It is an insider's view of magic from the perspective of a really smart guy who put off pursuing his physics masters degree to dive deeply into subcultures of magic that guys who are interested in magic have heard about, but most of us have never experienced. He also will give your husband some profound insider tips on magic like finding decks of cards that are cut the same as they were decades ago when they behaved more naturally in your hands. It is worth the price of the book alone. Through maniacal practice he is able to cut a deck of cards exactly in the middle again and again. That leads to some amazing abilities with cards that seem supernatural. Beyond that he discusses some of the insights into how we can understand our perception biases through studying what magicians know about the mind. He is a very entertaining writer. Here he is discussing the book and some of its implications: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9lTR-Ea1n8 And here is a version of the card trick that Dai Vernon fooled Houdini with in 1919: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Uofad_P7h0 Fascinating. Believe it or not (is BION a texting acronym?), I think I figured the trick out during my second viewing. Wanna hear my theory? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: That looks fantastic, I will track it down. The experience sitting with closeup magicians like Doug and Ricky sounds like a peak experience. That is the magic that amazes. I finished this book recently and it talks about the genius of Dai Vernon and gives and insider's look at the magic scene. Fooling Houdini: Magicians, Mentalists, Math Geeks, and the Hidden Powers of the Mind Very cool. I will buy this book and suggest it to my husband. He was fascinated with closeup magic for years and practiced and worked with a local magician here in Victoria for a few years to learn more. I loved that about him, that he was so attracted to magic and he was pretty good at it. I just loved watching his hands as he worked, so smooth and beautiful. Watching a good closeup magician is a really aesthetic experience. You can almost transcend watching. So magic is fabulous on lots of levels! Thanks for the recommendation. I'll also check out Barry's suggestion of the Ebert reviewed documentary. As you said there are magicians for the public whose attention can be predicted because they are naive to the techniques of magic, and then magician's magicians who follow how magicians think and fool them. There is also a specialty of kid's magic which is surprisingly difficult because their attention jumps around unpredictably. Many skilled magicians bomb in front of kids because they don't remember that you put something in your hand so it should be amazing when it is not there. You have to flow with their attention differently to fool them and have them experience wonder. Thanks for the heads up, Ricky Jay is great. Great actor too, like in House of Games, one of my favorite movies. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: ...posted here because I think Curtis will like it, and because (for me, at least), there is a bit of a TM connection. http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/deceptive-practice-the-mysteries-and-mentors-of-ricky-jay-2013 I was introduced once to Ricky Jay at the Magic Castle in L.A. by Doug Henning. My roommate at the time designed costumes and sets for Doug, so he often came over to the house and invited us out to the Magic Castle (at the time, a private club for performing magicians, not open to the public...you had to be invited by a member to go there). Anyway, Ricky was sitting at the bar, entertaining fellow magicians with some of his amazing card tricks. Doug intro- duced us, and I just sat back to watch a master at work. Just as with Doug, the real magic was in their close-up work, not the flashy stuff they did on stage to impress the rubes. Both were true masters of close-up magic. I'm going to try to track down this movie, because I suspect it'll talk about Dai Vernon, Doug's mentor and probably one of Ricky's. Dai was so good that at one point he stopped per- forming for the public because there was no challenge in it. He only performed for other magicians, and *they* couldn't figure out how he did what he did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dai_Vernon
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another of Roger Ebert's last film reviews...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: The beauty of it for people who know how to do it is the smoothness of its execution. It is a succession of slights that must be performed under increasing scrutiny. The hardest part is to perform it so many times that your muscle memory completely takes over, and your mind now longer follows your movements, but the story you are telling. This is the difference between the guys who can just do it and the greats who are amazing. When a dilettante like me performs it, you smell something hinky is going on the whole time, even if you can't exactly catch what I am doing. When the masters do it, the practiced effortless and total lack of unconscious tells, turn something as simple as lifting two cards as one, into a miracle. You just confirmed my theory so now you *have* to believe that I figured it out on my own! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: I think your husband will love the book then. It is an insider's view of magic from the perspective of a really smart guy who put off pursuing his physics masters degree to dive deeply into subcultures of magic that guys who are interested in magic have heard about, but most of us have never experienced. He also will give your husband some profound insider tips on magic like finding decks of cards that are cut the same as they were decades ago when they behaved more naturally in your hands. It is worth the price of the book alone. Through maniacal practice he is able to cut a deck of cards exactly in the middle again and again. That leads to some amazing abilities with cards that seem supernatural. Beyond that he discusses some of the insights into how we can understand our perception biases through studying what magicians know about the mind. He is a very entertaining writer. Here he is discussing the book and some of its implications: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9lTR-Ea1n8 And here is a version of the card trick that Dai Vernon fooled Houdini with in 1919: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Uofad_P7h0 Fascinating. Believe it or not (is BION a texting acronym?), I think I figured the trick out during my second viewing. Wanna hear my theory? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: That looks fantastic, I will track it down. The experience sitting with closeup magicians like Doug and Ricky sounds like a peak experience. That is the magic that amazes. I finished this book recently and it talks about the genius of Dai Vernon and gives and insider's look at the magic scene. Fooling Houdini: Magicians, Mentalists, Math Geeks, and the Hidden Powers of the Mind Very cool. I will buy this book and suggest it to my husband. He was fascinated with closeup magic for years and practiced and worked with a local magician here in Victoria for a few years to learn more. I loved that about him, that he was so attracted to magic and he was pretty good at it. I just loved watching his hands as he worked, so smooth and beautiful. Watching a good closeup magician is a really aesthetic experience. You can almost transcend watching. So magic is fabulous on lots of levels! Thanks for the recommendation. I'll also check out Barry's suggestion of the Ebert reviewed documentary. As you said there are magicians for the public whose attention can be predicted because they are naive to the techniques of magic, and then magician's magicians who follow how magicians think and fool them. There is also a specialty of kid's magic which is surprisingly difficult because their attention jumps around unpredictably. Many skilled magicians bomb in front of kids because they don't remember that you put something in your hand so it should be amazing when it is not there. You have to flow with their attention differently to fool them and have them experience wonder. Thanks for the heads up, Ricky Jay is great. Great actor too, like in House of Games, one of my favorite movies. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: ...posted here because I think Curtis will like it, and because (for me, at least), there is a bit of a TM connection. http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/deceptive-practice-the-mysteries-and-mentors-of-ricky-jay-2013 I was introduced once to Ricky Jay at the Magic Castle in L.A. by Doug Henning. My roommate at the time designed costumes
[FairfieldLife] Re: Busboy, was Oh Jesus why do I do it?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: most people liked what we baked - although most of the Europeans bitched if we made white bread and the Americans always bitched if we made rye or pumpernickel or any dark style bread so we alternated so that half of the people would be satisfied at any one time. I'm sure most people liked everything the department baked...I know I certainly did! Regarding the above, so you only baked one kind of bread daily? An obvious solution would be to bake half as much white and half as much dark so you would satisfy both contingencies always. From: Ann awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 1:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Busboy, was Oh Jesus why do I do it? Â --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: you are truly an idiot - I was the baker And a damn good one, I'll wager. From: Richard J. Williams richard@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 12:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Busboy, was Oh Jesus why do I do it? ÃÂ Michael Jackson: At no time have I ever claimed to have been a student at MIU or to have sought an English degree. I was on kitchen service staff my entire 2 years at the place. So, I stand corrected: you were a busboy for two years at a religious school in Iowa trying to get a degree in English while mumbling nonsense gibberish and bouncing on foam. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: please remove from e-mail list
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, david allen davaceta@ wrote: The chatter is interesting, but too much stuffing... Absolutely, way too much personal stuff driving people away that more politely ought to be between a few people privately which on the surface instead becomes obstruction to what could be a community list. We have people, outside lurker viewership, looking in all the time who just move on unable to stick beyond the personal bickering of a few posters here who dominate the bandwith. It's appalling. The FFL list would benefit greatly with lowering the individual posting limit down to 30 posts per week excepting time of communal emergency. X## -Buck Are you sure, with regard to FFL that you meant communal rather than commodal? You know, Barry's term 'refried' ego is really a good one. This is what happens in spiritual movements. The person, ego intact, acquires a new spiritual identity by quashing the former ego and stuffing it with spiritual pulp. It is often much more difficult to dislodge the spiritual identity than the former one, the one one actually wanted to get rid of. This seems to happen to everyone, including me. I prefer my ego toasted, thank you very much. Leggo my ego...http://youtu.be/5NXbGyiJdlE
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday...
I'm always late to the party...Happy Birthday from me to you Stevie Boy! Please stick around for at least another year! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Thank you Share. I had to host my own birthday party for some of my customers, put on by my employees. It was fun. It capped a busy week. Tonight, got my favorite rasperry filled, butter cream frosting cake, some molassis suckers from Bissengers, a lovely card and some other candy from my daughter. Oh, and two gift cards for small amounts to places I like to eat. * Thanks again. * Did I mention that I've put myself on an exercies program of doing a 20 minute bike sprint four or five times a week to lose some weight and lower my glucose level which was a tad too high on a recent blood test. Makes sense, huh. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: ...dear Steve, we're fortunate that you are here, one of the saner inhabitants of the Funny Farm Lounge (-: Hope you have your healthiest, happiest year ever!
[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Nice post Ann. I guess it shows you can have sharp disagreements with someone, and still not resort to nasty personal attacks. You're not planning to acknowledge all the things you got wrong in the post she's responding to, all the things you said in an attempt to make her look bad? Cast your hook and line elsewhere Judy. http://youtu.be/FWO2qhUTkBw Watch it 'til the end...sometimes you're the overhanging branch. [snip]
[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE
Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya and hoping not that you *would* do it but *could* do it. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy archives that you *did* try, just as others here have asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you know who. The evidence seems to be leaning towards nobody really knows what the hell he's talking about. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Sorry Steve, too much trouble. That's why I am retired - don't have to do the heavy lifting anymore.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Last week, I somehow found myself reading about fossils and the best places to find them. Sedimentary rock, that which is formed by compression is the only place they are found, vs. in igneous and metamorphic rocks. Robin has the writing ability to work methodically down through the fossil record, to the bedrock, when approaching someone's consciousness. For those who doubt this, diagram out any of his writing, and you will see clear first, second, and third set assumptions, each supported by the previous. Very clean and perfectly constructed. Jim, I find this interesting. I realize it might entail some work on your part, but could you give an example of this. This approach of Robin's, then, can be substantiated as being in the very least, logical. Through the reactions of his targets, including himself, he also (inadvertently?) reveals something about how we see ourselves, often as a shifting mass of emotionally tinged reactions, jellied memories. Not through this verifiable, logical deduction. Verifiable, logical deduction works well for external stuff, like determining where to find the fossil record. But most people do not like such dispassionate rigor, applied to their own self-examination. So Judy can argue for the validity of Robin's writing, and Steve can argue for its discomfort, and both are correct. Which then begs the question, if FFL is all about a search for meaning and personal truth, what are those people doing on here, who continually avoid personal truth, by shifting context? What is the implicit agreement we have all made, to validate the dialogue here, seek personal truth, or be comfortable with each other? Or both?
[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE
Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy archives that you *did* try, just as others here have asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you know who. The evidence seems to be leaning towards nobody really knows what he's talking about. Too bad as I was really hoping that we had a saint in our midst. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Sorry Steve, too much trouble. That's why I am retired - don't have to do the heavy lifting anymore.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Last week, I somehow found myself reading about fossils and the best places to find them. Sedimentary rock, that which is formed by compression is the only place they are found, vs. in igneous and metamorphic rocks. Robin has the writing ability to work methodically down through the fossil record, to the bedrock, when approaching someone's consciousness. For those who doubt this, diagram out any of his writing, and you will see clear first, second, and third set assumptions, each supported by the previous. Very clean and perfectly constructed. Jim, I find this interesting. I realize it might entail some work on your part, but could you give an example of this. This approach of Robin's, then, can be substantiated as being in the very least, logical. Through the reactions of his targets, including himself, he also (inadvertently?) reveals something about how we see ourselves, often as a shifting mass of emotionally tinged reactions, jellied memories. Not through this verifiable, logical deduction. Verifiable, logical deduction works well for external stuff, like determining where to find the fossil record. But most people do not like such dispassionate rigor, applied to their own self-examination. So Judy can argue for the validity of Robin's writing, and Steve can argue for its discomfort, and both are correct. Which then begs the question, if FFL is all about a search for meaning and personal truth, what are those people doing on here, who continually avoid personal truth, by shifting context? What is the implicit agreement we have all made, to validate the dialogue here, seek personal truth, or be comfortable with each other? Or both?
[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE
My bad...I thought FFL was all about snark, after all, I *do* have the best teachers! Anyway, wasn't it Judy who wrote that when anyone needs clarification on something that all they have to do is ask? I thought Steve asked very respectfully for clarification on the points you were making (and for which another praised you). I was hoping to learn something about the clean and perfectly constructed writings of another but I guess I'll just have to wait until my consciousness reaches those levels of understanding. WARNING: more snark ahead: So you really don't know, do you? Just as I thought... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: I taught difficult technical material to adults for twenty years, by learning it on my own, first. Time for you to get off your ass and do it yourself...I am amazed at your snarkiness, given that you were supposedly a professor of something, once. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy archives that you *did* try, just as others here have asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you know who. The evidence seems to be leaning towards nobody really knows what he's talking about. Too bad as I was really hoping that we had a saint in our midst. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Sorry Steve, too much trouble. That's why I am retired - don't have to do the heavy lifting anymore.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Last week, I somehow found myself reading about fossils and the best places to find them. Sedimentary rock, that which is formed by compression is the only place they are found, vs. in igneous and metamorphic rocks. Robin has the writing ability to work methodically down through the fossil record, to the bedrock, when approaching someone's consciousness. For those who doubt this, diagram out any of his writing, and you will see clear first, second, and third set assumptions, each supported by the previous. Very clean and perfectly constructed. Jim, I find this interesting. I realize it might entail some work on your part, but could you give an example of this. This approach of Robin's, then, can be substantiated as being in the very least, logical. Through the reactions of his targets, including himself, he also (inadvertently?) reveals something about how we see ourselves, often as a shifting mass of emotionally tinged reactions, jellied memories. Not through this verifiable, logical deduction. Verifiable, logical deduction works well for external stuff, like determining where to find the fossil record. But most people do not like such dispassionate rigor, applied to their own self-examination. So Judy can argue for the validity of Robin's writing, and Steve can argue for its discomfort, and both are correct. Which then begs the question, if FFL is all about a search for meaning and personal truth, what are those people doing on here, who continually avoid personal truth, by shifting context? What is the implicit agreement we have all made, to validate the dialogue here, seek personal truth, or be comfortable with each other? Or both?
[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Sounds like, 1. you've made up your mind about Robin, Perhaps I have, but I'm willing to consider an analysis of his writings that might cause me to learn something of value and possibly change my mind. But then again, Robin didn't come here claiming to be a teacher so maybe I'm expecting too much from his writing. and 2. just feel like arguing about it. You got me there, I *do* feel like arguing. Sometimes I react to something that has been written and feel like I should respond, snark and all. Maybe something that *both* of us needs is being fulfilled right now. As Judy says, the guy ain't that hard to read, with comprehension. Remember when the training wheels came off the bike? Same thing. Judy is wrong. Oh, the training wheels are removable??? Well, I'll Be! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: My bad...I thought FFL was all about snark, after all, I *do* have the best teachers! Anyway, wasn't it Judy who wrote that when anyone needs clarification on something that all they have to do is ask? I thought Steve asked very respectfully for clarification on the points you were making (and for which another praised you). I was hoping to learn something about the clean and perfectly constructed writings of another but I guess I'll just have to wait until my consciousness reaches those levels of understanding. WARNING: more snark ahead: So you really don't know, do you? Just as I thought... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I taught difficult technical material to adults for twenty years, by learning it on my own, first. Time for you to get off your ass and do it yourself...I am amazed at your snarkiness, given that you were supposedly a professor of something, once. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy archives that you *did* try, just as others here have asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you know who. The evidence seems to be leaning towards nobody really knows what he's talking about. Too bad as I was really hoping that we had a saint in our midst. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Sorry Steve, too much trouble. That's why I am retired - don't have to do the heavy lifting anymore.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Last week, I somehow found myself reading about fossils and the best places to find them. Sedimentary rock, that which is formed by compression is the only place they are found, vs. in igneous and metamorphic rocks. Robin has the writing ability to work methodically down through the fossil record, to the bedrock, when approaching someone's consciousness. For those who doubt this, diagram out any of his writing, and you will see clear first, second, and third set assumptions, each supported by the previous. Very clean and perfectly constructed. Jim, I find this interesting. I realize it might entail some work on your part, but could you give an example of this. This approach of Robin's, then, can be substantiated as being in the very least, logical. Through the reactions of his targets, including himself, he also (inadvertently?) reveals something about how we see ourselves, often as a shifting mass of emotionally tinged reactions, jellied memories. Not through this verifiable, logical deduction. Verifiable, logical deduction works well for external stuff, like determining where to find the fossil record. But most people do not like such dispassionate rigor, applied to their own self-examination. So Judy can argue for the validity of Robin's writing, and Steve can argue for its discomfort, and both are correct. Which then begs the question, if FFL is all about a search for meaning and personal truth, what are those people doing on here, who continually avoid personal truth, by shifting context? What is the implicit agreement we have all made, to validate the dialogue here, seek personal truth, or be comfortable with each other? Or both?
[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy archives that you *did* try, just as others here have asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you know who. Uh-oh, LG, you're going the route of the other prevaricators around here. One of their tricks is not to use names, which they think makes it safe for them to seriously distort an incident in which these pseudo-anonymous folks have been involved, making it sound shifty. My purposeful removal of names, as in this case, was so as not to bring more attention to those that probably crave it. We know who you know who is, of course. But others here refers to Xeno and those 'in the know' refers to me. Others here now includes Steve, and also includes me as I've asked Robin on at least one occasion to explain in language that I can understand without all the other stuff that merely confuses the point he is making. In the know now includes dumbass, and might also include Ann, RD, and Emily who on several occasions have indicated that they understand what he has written. Here's what really happened: Xeno demanded that I interpret some post of Robin's *in order to prove* that I understood him, and I refused to do any interpreting on that basis. I considered it insulting, given that I had already spent a huge amount of time explaining Robin to people (including Xeno) who couldn't take the time to read his posts, or at least to put any effort into absorbing what he had said. The evidence seems to be leaning towards nobody really knows what he's talking about. No, there's no such evidence. I think what you mean is that *you* have trouble understanding him. We know he confuses Steve and Xeno and Barry and Share as well, but the five of you aren't everybody. You are correct...I have great trouble understanding him. Too bad as I was really hoping that we had a saint in our midst. Well, that was pretty silly, wasn't it? You know, since Robin himself would be the first person to discourage the notion. Nor did DrD suggest such a thing. Robin is REELY RELY smart, but he ain't no saint. That was the final snarky jab there. While maybe not a saint, I'm always hoping I can learn something from everyone who comments here. Also, it appears neither you nor Steve read what DrD wrote with attention. He was suggesting that folks try validating his analysis of Robin's writing for themselves, not offering to do it for them. Hmm, now I'm beginning to see what's behind this. You and Steve don't want to risk the attempt, because if you tried and couldn't see what DrD describes, you'd be hesitant to report your failure lest it appear that it was due to your lack of comprehension, rather than DrD's analysis being faulty. So your cowardice in this regard leads you to imply that DrD and I have been posturing and that Robin has said nothing of any significance. I would expect that kind of craven maneuver from Steve. I'm surprised to see you engaging in it, LG. It's not deliberate by any means but rather arises from a sense of frustration in not being about to understand what someone is writing. BTW, Robin's not the only one whose writing I don't get. I'm open to understanding but none of you are helping other than to say get off your ass, put some work into it, or provide links to the posts so we can go back and read them again. Don't you see how circular this is? And your explanations are by no means succinct nor easy to understand. Perhaps one of my motives *is* to prove you wrong but for the life of me, I don't know why. I guess I have some work ahead. The really interesting thing is that Robin isn't all that hard to understand for those willing to put a little effort into it. But is the effort worth the reward? [snip]
[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: [snip] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy archives that you *did* try, just as others here have asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you know who. Uh-oh, LG, you're going the route of the other prevaricators around here. One of their tricks is not to use names, which they think makes it safe for them to seriously distort an incident in which these pseudo-anonymous folks have been involved, making it sound shifty. My purposeful removal of names, as in this case, was so as not to bring more attention to those that probably crave it. Oh, please, how limp an excuse is that? We know who you know who is, of course. But others here refers to Xeno and those 'in the know' refers to me. Others here now includes Steve, No, it doesn't. Others refers to people *other than Steve*. Try to keep in mind what you actually wrote. Otherwise it appears you're hastily rewriting after the fact. and also includes me as I've asked Robin on at least one occasion to explain in language that I can understand Nope, doesn't include you either. And I'd have to see the post in which you purportedly made this request, and what the response was. I don't trust you to report accurately. Actually, I thought I had asked more clearly than this but the following is the closest I came to asking for an explanation in simpler terms: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/326586 And this is Robin's response (I had forgotten that he responded): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/326617 In reading his response, I think a couple of points he is making are: 1) the inflexible truth of his experience of Unity was false, 2) he had to overcome those deeply ingrained notions of what is truth and find another method for arriving at it. 3) his new method views truth as more fluid, and it emerges and is shaped through one's subjective experiences. [...possibly to be continued, as I attempt to figure this out...Judy, please don't waste your last post on a response...this can wait until the post count resets.] [snip]
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Question
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Did you enjoy teaching at MSAE? Like Ann's involvement in Robin's cult, I'm thankful that I had that as one of life's experiences, and feel that I'm farther along the evolutionary scale for having done it. But then again, on some level, shouldn't we all be thankful for our life's experiences, if nothing more than satisfying karmic debts? Personally, I don't see a way around it. Most definitely, there's something very appealing about consciousness-based education, yet there's still a long way to go IMHO before I would deem it as legitimate. Would I teach at MSAE again knowing what I do from the experience? Probably not. But then again, I never know what I'm going to do until I'm presented with the opportunity. From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 9:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Question  When I taught at MSAE the students would begin the day with 10 minutes of reading the Vedic scriptures in sanskrit and in unison. I assume they're still doing it, as well as many others who have learned to read sanskrit. It's very powerful hearing those sounds (like when one hears the pundits chant the scriptures) and I understand that it's even more powerful to be able to speak those sounds. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: OK someone who has attended MUM recently please 'splain this to me - what exactly are they doing that this person described on MUM Secrets? #147: MUM is the only place in life I was ever asked to repeat long pages of words for sound value and discouraged from asking the meaning. I feel a bit weird for following along but did it anyway. It felt like reciting confusing King James Version Bible verses and then upon asking the meaning, you're told, the meaning isn't important, you are reciting for sound value.? Come again? Excuse me... but what the fuck am I saying every day in this class with 20 other people!? I'm pretty sure everyone else in the world following a spiritual practice is aware of what they are repeating. Words are powerful and so are their meanings.
[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE
Very funny Ann...and on so many levels! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: And then there were two. I wonder what the chances are for three? Four? Eleven? Not much chance of the count going over four at this point. And as usual, the feedback provided to the instigator of all this hatred goes completely over her head, and is perceived as just another opportunity to try to lure both of us (and Share, her other enemie de la semaine who I forgot to include in my earlier posts) into extended tarbaby arguments with her. One has to wonder about a life so empty and so bitter that this is her only recreation. Well, I'm tired of it. There is nothing I can do to keep any of the four or five of them from posting what they want about me here, but there IS something I can do to try to persuade Judy to give up these attempts to get me to argue with her and refute or defend myself against her now 17-years-and-counting attacks on me. Here it is, in the clearest language I can manage, written last night but not sent because of a faulty Net connection: Because Judy seems to still labor under the delusion that I feel she is worth arguing with, I will indeed reply to her, but not quite in the way she expects. I apologize in advance to those here who will feign affront or indignation at the way I am going to phrase this, but from my point of view I am dealing with an insane person who JUST DOESN'T GET IT, so I'm going to have to put things in language that even *she* might understand. Maybe. If the person who is trying her best to get me to argue with her to defend myself against her lame-o attacks thinks she will succeed, she has *seriously* missed who I am and what I think of her. Allow me to explain, to hopefully put an end to this embar- rassing (on her part) ego-posturing: If I were out in the woods, say at a rough it camp or a military bivouac, I might encounter the...uh... primitive sanitary devices that are constructed in such sites. For example, feeling the call of nature (a #2 experience, in TMO terms), I might find my way to a long latrine trench dug in the dirt, over which one squats on makeshift seats constructed of sticks bound together with twine, upon which one rests one's butt while...uh...doing one's business. If, finding myself perched on one of these devices, I looked down and found Judy Stein immediately below me at the bottom of the trench, rather than take a dump on her I would compassionately get up and move to a seat at the other end of the trench. The compassion in this case would not be for her, but for my own shit. I could not take the chance of it being fouled and its vibe being lowered as the result of coming into contact with Judy Stein. Are we clear now, Jude?
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Question
When I taught at MSAE the students would begin the day with 10 minutes of reading the Vedic scriptures in sanskrit and in unison. I assume they're still doing it, as well as many others who have learned to read sanskrit. It's very powerful hearing those sounds (like when one hears the pundits chant the scriptures) and I understand that it's even more powerful to be able to speak those sounds. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: OK someone who has attended MUM recently please 'splain this to me - what exactly are they doing that this person described on MUM Secrets? #147: MUM is the only place in life I was ever asked to repeat long pages of words for sound value and discouraged from asking the meaning. I feel a bit weird for following along but did it anyway. It felt like reciting confusing King James Version Bible verses and then upon asking the meaning, you're told, the meaning isn't important, you are reciting for sound value.? Come again? Excuse me... but what the fuck am I saying every day in this class with 20 other people!? I'm pretty sure everyone else in the world following a spiritual practice is aware of what they are repeating. Words are powerful and so are their meanings.
[FairfieldLife] Ravi, Ann, Share, LG (was Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Perhaps before you completely disappear into the fog of all the dramatic but unspecified umbridge floating around here, you can finish what YOU started: Curtis, I don't disappear. No fog, I am transparent. What's this about 'dramatic'? You and Barry had some fun between yourselves today. You thought you might have been talking about me. You were not. In fact, you got so off on some agenda of your own I gave up trying to follow you. Tell you what. While I'm finding quotes to show your 'lamentation' and whining you find quotes of mine to show I was supporting Robin, getting uncomfortable with your exchanges or in some way interfering with whatever it was you were talking about with him for the last three days? Deal? Deja vu man: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: Oh, I spent an hour this morning cutting and pasting your lamentations, Curtis, into a post which I had to leave to go do my barn chores and when I came back I couldn't find the thing. So I can start over if you like but in the meantime, show me anything I have written in the last four days that has indicated or said directly that I disapprove of your posts with Robin or where I have made any references about your posts in the last four days here. Just one teeny word or phrase will do. Me, delivering as promised: Ann: I think you should do what you want but don't then lament and cry about it as if you are some long-suffering martyr. Ann: reneging and trying to move the goal post again. Sorry Ann, I was born at night, but it wasn't last night. I get it. I was giving you a chance to explain your unfriendly interpretation of my interaction with Robin because we have had friendlier times and I didn't understand what you were putting out toward me. I've lost interest and am not going confront you about it ad nauseum Robin style. It was your choice to explain or not. Ann: What has Barry said on this subject? Not that different from what I am saying. The big difference is that he doesn't think you should bother interacting with the crazy NPD person and I think you should do what you want but don't then lament and cry about it as if you are some long-suffering martyr. Me: Here the passive aggressive nature of your post zooms forth. I would like you to show me where I have lamented and cried as if I was a long-suffering martyr. I'm sure your computer will be more cooperative this time. I don't owe you a damn thing, not after your behaviour today. First of all you definitely do not owe me an damn thing. Not an explanation for why said the things you did about me in my conversation with Robin. I was giving you a chance to explain how you have been showing up. Your choice. Secondly, what's with the unspecified your behavior umbrage machine you are laying down? Point out something specific you want me to explain, and I will tell you why I said it. I will start here since you brought it up: Annyou find quotes of mine to show I was supporting Robin, Well you let me have it, and didn't say a word about him for one. getting uncomfortable with your exchanges This is just a guess on my part. You were telling me that I needed to either have conversations with Robin but not give my opinion about how he was interacting, or stop interacting with him. But neither of them were your business, you were inserting yourself. I believe our conversations triggered you, otherwise why would you care what I say about my interactions enough to let me have it. shit or get off the pot was way over the line of casual interest in someone else's post exchanges. And your little flash back description of what it was like with Robin including your odd bravado that I wouldn't last an hour at the mic but you were able to get through three and a half years for over ten hours a day did in fact leak more information about your perspective than your more careful presentation of it does. I still stand by my , you got triggered, interpretation to understand it. You had no reason to focus hostility toward me and you actually seem a bit clueless that you had in fact focused hostility toward me. I gave you a chance to explain, you doubled down, end of story for me. Ravi seems to be able to interpret your feelings more to your satisfaction than I am. OK. or in some way interfering with whatever it was you were talking about with him for the last three days? I never claimed this. This is your invention so I have no explanation. Do you? But, guess what? I'm going to go through the
[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE
Well done Curtis. Your analysis IMHO is spot on and offered in a reasonable, calm and heartfelt way especially considering what you went through yesterday. A piece of the puzzle that I've been trying to find a place for just fell into place. At times I feel elevated after reading some comments here, and cheapened or less than I was before after reading others. I've used the analogy before that sometimes the inmates take over the asylum...yesterday was one of those days...and it's good to see when order has been restored. An analysis such as yours can seem harsh at face value, however, that is all it is until someone gives it merit through their responses, both in content and style. Thanks again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: I am saying is he should shit or get off the pot (to put it rather crudely). I am making no value judgements here about the quality of the discourse or even the value of it. It is just that Curtis keeps coming back for more all the while lamenting his predicament. I am just tired of hearing him whinge, that's all. Either he should get on with it or move along to the next subject. Before commenting on your reply, Curtis, which was IMO just Right On, nailing the somewhat the somewhat questionable sanity of Ann's interest in all of this, I should point out that she has a point. We all judge the value of each others posting choices that are different from our own. But we don't all equate those different choices as representing a flaw in the person making them. Contrary to what others have said here recently, YOU did not come back to FFL as a result of Robin's presence here. As I remember it, this last appear- ance of his was occasioned by YOUR return to FFL. It has gone both ways, and it was interesting that Ann painted the picture that it was only one way. He came back specifically so he could rag on me in Judy's absence, and when I didn't react to his provocations, he turned his attentions to you, hoping that he could lure you back into one of his confrontations. In this, he succeeded. After all this time, you should know his tactics, and his intent, and know better than to get involved. But it's your choice; you seem to be getting something out of interacting with him, so if so, continue, as long as it is fun or interesting for you. I am not in a position to criticize this, having been sucked into similar confrontations with Judy for so many years. Finally I decided they -- and her -- were simply not worth my time. Although Ann equated your opinion with hers it is actually very different. I get it that you are shaking your head about my discussions with him and it has been that way for years with Judy as well. We are both using this writing opportunity in a way that serves us. I at least get that level of respect from you, even if you think I am wasting my time with them. I don't frame it all as getting sucked in obviously. I am using it as a way to express what I want until it stops serving that purpose and then I cut it off. When I cut it off Judy declares victory and Robin escalates his taunts. But I enjoy the ride till I don't. Now, to what you said, re Ann... My interaction with another poster is causing YOU discomfort. Think about that. That's really the issue with Ann's involvement here. Nothing that goes on between you and Robin concerns her in the least, but she *takes advantage of it* to berate you and defend Robin. Given the fact that we are talking about a person (Ann) who was verbally and psychically abused by Robin for 3-1/2 FUCKING YEARS, one simply has to wonder WHY. Ann's act has always had a Patty Hearst feel to it for me, as if she's still carrying a torch for the cult leader who captured her attention and sucked her into his sick games so many years ago. I still cannot help but believe that it is her attachment to the intensity that cult experience had for her that drives her sad defense of Robin all these years later, and her inability to see that HIS ACT HAS NOT CHANGED. I think she does see that his act has not changed and it is triggering her because she has not resolved all of her issues with her experience with him. I worked with cult counselors when I got out of TM, and just walking away has a cost if you have no support system to process the experience. This is why I have treated her much more gently than you have. This is a process and it is not easy. And yes I agree with your assessment of her conflicted feelings about the guy combined with some guilt
[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: Like Judy, the guy is obsessed and it's fucking weird to watch... I also can't imagine still being impressed with Robins empty cult... Bhairitu: Yeah, I can't believe the adolescent hoo-ha gets the patients in the Funny Farm Lounge going. Guess we need to up their meds. ;-) Or, lower yours - there's hardly anything to read here in the first place, so anyone who posts something here is doing us a service. So, I'd like to say thanks to all the FFL informants. With MMY gone, the only comings and goings we can keep up with are a few of the locals and a couple of expats. Go figure. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to - you should understand this, living out in the back of beyond on the road to Erewhon. LoL! LOL indeed! Thanks for being here Richard and telling it like it is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Lorre with cats
Yifu, I'm glad you're posting these old photos again. I always liked the element of surprise whenever I'd see a series of your posts here at FFL. If you don't mind my asking, how do you decide which photos to use? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: 1944 http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/8/77996.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Championship Tonight!
So you were a Terrapin, huh, with good ol' Lefty Driesell? I was a Tarheel during the Dean Smith era and when games were played in Carmichael Auditorium. We'd line up all night for tickets to a game. NC State had Thompson, Burleson, and Towe; we had McAdoo, Kupchak, Waddell, and Hoffman; and you guys had Davis, Lucas, and Boyle. What a time that was for ACC basketball! Yes, last night's game was exciting and everything a final should be. Very enjoyable but I stayed up way past my bedtime! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Oh God, laughinggull now I feel nostalgic. And old! I remember 40 years ago when I was married and attending Univ of Maryland, we'd watch ACC basketball which I loved. One of my favorite players was David Thompson who played either for UNC or NC State. The way he could float up to the rim of the basket! Poetry in motion IMO. John correctly predicted Louisville as the winner but from the score I'd say it was an cliff hanger pretty much all the way through. From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 5:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] NCAA Men's Basketball Championship Tonight!  Anyone watching???
[FairfieldLife] Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Championship Tonight!
Exactly Carol. Majored in biology/chemistry and haunted the basement halls of Venable! I loved UNC and Chapel Hill...that's where I learned to meditate. Residence courses at the Blue Ridge Assembly in Black Mountain. Heady daze! I loved your line below regarding your siblings going to UNC...I didn't...I jointed a cult. What a sense of humor and what a nice spirit you have that comes through loud and clear in your writing here and at tossandripple.blogspot.com. (Those of you who haven't visited need to go to see what good honest writing looks like.) I wish you nothing but the very best! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@... wrote: LG, you might have been CH when my sblings was there. (early/mid 70s) My mom's side of the family were all Tarheel fans. Mom was one of 11 siblings, so I have lots of cousins from Mom's side, and the majority attended UNC-CH. I have one cousin who applied to UNC-CH and got accepted just to turn it down and show all the cousins. *chuckle* Both my siblings went to CH. I didn't...I joined a cult. haha One of my friends from college years made a bumper sticker: I'd rather have shit on my boots than tar on my heels. He went to NC State. :) ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: So you were a Terrapin, huh, with good ol' Lefty Driesell? I was a Tarheel during the Dean Smith era and when games were played in Carmichael Auditorium. We'd line up all night for tickets to a game. NC State had Thompson, Burleson, and Towe; we had McAdoo, Kupchak, Waddell, and Hoffman; and you guys had Davis, Lucas, and Boyle. What a time that was for ACC basketball! Yes, last night's game was exciting and everything a final should be. Very enjoyable but I stayed up way past my bedtime! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Oh God, laughinggull now I feel nostalgic. And old! I remember 40 years ago when I was married and attending Univ of Maryland, we'd watch ACC basketball which I loved. One of my favorite players was David Thompson who played either for UNC or NC State. The way he could float up to the rim of the basket! Poetry in motion IMO. John correctly predicted Louisville as the winner but from the score I'd say it was an cliff hanger pretty much all the way through. From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 5:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] NCAA Men's Basketball Championship Tonight!  Anyone watching???
[FairfieldLife] Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Championship Tonight!
Exactly Carol. Majored in biology/chemistry and haunted the basement halls of Venable! Even joined a frat out on Finley Golf Course. I loved UNC and Chapel Hill...that's where I learned to meditate. Residence courses at the Blue Ridge Assembly in Black Mountain. Heady daze! I loved your line below regarding your siblings going to UNC...I didn't...I jointed a cult. What a sense of humor and what a nice spirit you have that comes through loud and clear in your writing here and at tossandripple.blogspot.com. (Those of you who haven't visited need to go to see what good honest writing looks like.) I wish you nothing but the very best! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@... wrote: LG, you might have been CH when my sblings was there. (early/mid 70s) My mom's side of the family were all Tarheel fans. Mom was one of 11 siblings, so I have lots of cousins from Mom's side, and the majority attended UNC-CH. I have one cousin who applied to UNC-CH and got accepted just to turn it down and show all the cousins. *chuckle* Both my siblings went to CH. I didn't...I joined a cult. haha One of my friends from college years made a bumper sticker: I'd rather have shit on my boots than tar on my heels. He went to NC State. :) ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: So you were a Terrapin, huh, with good ol' Lefty Driesell? I was a Tarheel during the Dean Smith era and when games were played in Carmichael Auditorium. We'd line up all night for tickets to a game. NC State had Thompson, Burleson, and Towe; we had McAdoo, Kupchak, Waddell, and Hoffman; and you guys had Davis, Lucas, and Boyle. What a time that was for ACC basketball! Yes, last night's game was exciting and everything a final should be. Very enjoyable but I stayed up way past my bedtime! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Oh God, laughinggull now I feel nostalgic. And old! I remember 40 years ago when I was married and attending Univ of Maryland, we'd watch ACC basketball which I loved. One of my favorite players was David Thompson who played either for UNC or NC State. The way he could float up to the rim of the basket! Poetry in motion IMO. John correctly predicted Louisville as the winner but from the score I'd say it was an cliff hanger pretty much all the way through. From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 5:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] NCAA Men's Basketball Championship Tonight!  Anyone watching???
[FairfieldLife] Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Championship Tonight!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@... wrote: About all recall about CH in those days is the Rathskeller (?) Restaurant. I was in my early teens. My siblings are 4 and 7 years older than I. Yes, many a Thur night (college weekends always start Thur nights, right?) at the Rathskeller over pitchers of beer. They also had great lasagna with all the greasy bread to line the stomach before a night of beer. Black Mountain is part of my stomping grounds. Many fond memories and of course I still get up that way occasionally. I love the Blue Ridge. It be in my blood me thinks. I went to Montreat for a semester (1977) and then dropped out to study and serve with The Way. I was interested in counseling at the time. If you were still in that area in '77, you and I may have seen each other at some point at the health food store in Black Mountain...seems it was on Cherry Street? ;) I only went to residence courses at the Blue Ridge Assembly in 74/75. What religious denomination did the facility belong to? Loved those rocking chairs on the porch of the residences overlooking the mountains! But you had probably moved on by that time. By then I was a TM governor, and was just about to become full-time at the Men's Capital at Livingston Manor. Do you currently live in western NC, if you don't mind me asking? Yes. ___ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: Exactly Carol. Majored in biology/chemistry and haunted the basement halls of Venable! Even joined a frat out on Finley Golf Course. I loved UNC and Chapel Hill...that's where I learned to meditate. Residence courses at the Blue Ridge Assembly in Black Mountain. Heady daze! I loved your line below regarding your siblings going to UNC...I didn't...I jointed a cult. What a sense of humor and what a nice spirit you have that comes through loud and clear in your writing here and at tossandripple.blogspot.com. (Those of you who haven't visited need to go to see what good honest writing looks like.) I wish you nothing but the very best! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: LG, you might have been CH when my sblings was there. (early/mid 70s) My mom's side of the family were all Tarheel fans. Mom was one of 11 siblings, so I have lots of cousins from Mom's side, and the majority attended UNC-CH. I have one cousin who applied to UNC-CH and got accepted just to turn it down and show all the cousins. *chuckle* Both my siblings went to CH. I didn't...I joined a cult. haha One of my friends from college years made a bumper sticker: I'd rather have shit on my boots than tar on my heels. He went to NC State. :) ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: So you were a Terrapin, huh, with good ol' Lefty Driesell? I was a Tarheel during the Dean Smith era and when games were played in Carmichael Auditorium. We'd line up all night for tickets to a game. NC State had Thompson, Burleson, and Towe; we had McAdoo, Kupchak, Waddell, and Hoffman; and you guys had Davis, Lucas, and Boyle. What a time that was for ACC basketball! Yes, last night's game was exciting and everything a final should be. Very enjoyable but I stayed up way past my bedtime! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Oh God, laughinggull now I feel nostalgic. And old! I remember 40 years ago when I was married and attending Univ of Maryland, we'd watch ACC basketball which I loved. One of my favorite players was David Thompson who played either for UNC or NC State. The way he could float up to the rim of the basket! Poetry in motion IMO. John correctly predicted Louisville as the winner but from the score I'd say it was an cliff hanger pretty much all the way through. From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 5:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] NCAA Men's Basketball Championship Tonight!  Anyone watching???
[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Man what hypocritical bullshit. If it's Barry and Curtis it's all impartial, monotonous set of POV's, it's a rap, it's stream of consciousness, it's harmless likes and dislikes, just benign preferences. If its others it's mindfuckery, it's unpleasant, unfriendly, unwelcome word flood, it's toxic energy directed at strangers, it's trollish behavior - even psychological rape's now approved by His Holiness. A master of deception at work. So true, Kapati, so true. Please continue... On Apr 8, 2013, at 7:40 AM, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Back when this first came up I supported Share's flamboyant choice of words to sum up how it feels to be the focus of Robin's assumption that you are not aligned with reality and his writing is going to jolt you into an ability to face life in a Robin approved more real way. I call it mindfuckery, but Share's term conveys more how invasive this unfriendly assumption feels from the receiving end. Combined with the word flooding it is quite unpleasant. In my view it would be Robin who would owe the apology for acting in a way that would make someone think this term was the best way to describe it. And instead of taking the feedback of how far over the boundaries line he had crossed... she got and still gets the predictable pile on for feeling this way. Note to Share: You will never be able to appease this unfriendly agenda no matter what you say. It is s double bind where the sincerity of even an unnecessary apology will be judged by them. And again you will lose because that is how the formula works. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Nothing you have to say, Share, about apologizing or making amends is the least bit credible as long as you have not apologized for calling Robin a psychological rapist. In that case you and Robin never got to the second step because you never took the first step. I'm virtually positive that second step would be forthcoming from Robin as soon as you were to take the first step: he would forgive you if you apologized sincerely. That you have not yet done so is a terrible blot on your character. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Judy and Ann, as in 12 Steps, I tend to focus on the making amends part of an apology. Even in our recent exchange I asked Robin how I could make amends for misunderstanding him about his turq post and Curtis exchange. For me it is the making amends that is the sine qua non of an apology and this is where the cost comes in. And of course the cost or amends is meant to address the actual consequences. Such as a restitution of money in the case of a compulsive gambler who lost the family savings for example. But the first step is to offer apologies and amends and the second step is up to the other person. Robin and I did not get to the second step last year. And it seems we're not getting to it again. But I've made my offer and stand by it. As for frequency, it could be from my Catholic upbringing. In those days many people went to confession every week. Also I say it just in case I've hurt someone's feelings. The better I know FFL people the more I'll dispense with that. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 12:19 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: (snip) You and Robin seemed to be able to engage in some wonderful dialogue back then. And for the record, I DO think Curtis meant that from the BEGINNING, (I'm not bothering with the outset or the onset, I'm not getting embroiled in the semantics of that) Right, that's irrelevant. That was laughinggull's error, and even if LG had been correct, it would have made no difference to what Curtis said. that Robin was itching for some kind of fight with you. Curtis is arguing against this but I am not buying that There are a number of reasons not to buy it, including his insistence that it was obvious what he meant when what was obvious was that what he said was at best *ambiguous*. Furthermore, he completely ignored the fact that Robin was responding to an extremely unfriendly post of Share's, in which she had accused him of being sarcastic and accusatory when [Curtis] sounded reasonable. This was with reference to Robin's critique of Curtis's response to your post about Barry, Ann. (snip) I believe I have
[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Apr 8, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:23 AM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Man what hypocritical bullshit. If it's Barry and Curtis it's all impartial, monotonous set of POV's, it's a rap, it's stream of consciousness, it's harmless likes and dislikes, just benign preferences. If its others it's mindfuckery, it's unpleasant, unfriendly, unwelcome word flood, it's toxic energy directed at strangers, it's trollish behavior - even psychological rape's now approved by His Holiness. A master of deception at work. So true, Kapati, so true. Please continue... Wrong. Krishna is the real kapati - But Rakshasaas are also kapati. What's the difference dear LG Shishyaa? God I fucked up, even Krishna fucks up LOL. Anyway, once again what's the difference Bhakta? Raviji, as one deals, He'll also...He reciprocates. That is Krsna.
[FairfieldLife] NCAA Men's Basketball Championship Tonight!
Anyone watching???
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Not one of Share's statements in this post is made with integrity. One way or another, they're all fraudulent. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: thank you for your support, feste and you too, Curtis and Steve. And I get that you guys are not taking sides. Of course they're taking sides. Emily, indeed I remember that you complimented my poetry and thank you for that. However I must point out to Judy and you that there was only ONE Dolphie followup post. I know yahoo is being wonky these days but I've checked my Sent folder several times and unless I'm totally addled by all this, which is quite possible, I count one original Dolphie post and one followup. Right. Two Dolphie follow-up posts to your Hitler Valentine response to Robin. But you knew that. Both were written in what I thought was an transparently joking way. Obviously YMMV and does. No, our mileage does not vary. That they were written in an oh-so-cutsie-poo transparently joking way WAS THE PROBLEM, Share. But you knew that. snip BTW, it was Robin's choice to play up the Hitler angle which he also introduced. Did anybody claim otherwise? He had excellent reason to do so, and it inspired your two Dolphie follow-up posts, which have told us more about you than anything you've written here so far, handily confirming what Robin has perceived about you. Anyhoo, Emily, just in case you were being neither Robin Ironic nor Defensive Ironic, I assure you that I have not written you off nor categorized you out of existence nor put you in any bucket. That post in which you used these phrases, that post was written to... JUDY. However, the phrases in question defined an entire *category* of people on FFL, not just Judy (as you know). Emily had every reason to assume she was included given your past interactions. FWIW I do believe that this whole thing happened because Robin and I misinterpreted his original * everything * differently. No, this whole thing happened because (as you know) you stupidly disapproved of his posts to Curtis and Barry and stupidly (and disingenuously) tried to draw me into an argument about them. When he suggested that a valentine would have made everything all right, he, no doubt having a more cosmic view than me, meant Hitler's Holocaust. Whereas I, having a more psychological view, meant Hitler's damaged psyche and monstrous actions. No cosmic view required, just the ability to read English. Here's what he wrote: I think you would like to send Hitler a Valentine's Card and make everything all right again. He obviously wasn't talking about going back in time to send the card *before* everything went wrong. He was suggesting you'd send it hoping to make everything all right that had already gone wrong--i.e., the Holocaust. But you knew that too. Phew. It's getting hard to breathe in here; the smell is nauseating. She who dealt it, smelt it...I simply couldn't resist (smiley face).
[FairfieldLife] Re: HITLER'S VALENTINE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: You lost me on your initial word flood in which you seem incapable o distinguishing between the beginning of your recent exchange with Share, my obvious intended meaning in context, and your fantasy that I was making a broader claim about your predisposition somewhere back in time that has no relevance to our discussion. FWIW Curtis, this was my understanding when I first read your response of ...from the outset as being the *current* exchange...not going back to the beginning. It surprises me that Robin, in his response, doesn't seem to understand this, but at least he's consistent...or maybe he's being ironic (disingenuous smiley face). All the accusatory bullshit reveals your agenda here: You are looking for someone to rave at. Today, it will not be me. Au contraire Pierre but it *will* be you. With that in mind, the real challenge becomes whether or not *you* will be a participant (wink, wink, nudge, nudge). [snip] P.S. Part II coming up. So wait for it. Please. Robin, you are *such* a tease! As the consummate showman that you are, I'm sure you realize that if you make your audience wait *too* long that you lose them...that is, if you haven't already (another disingenuous smiley face).
[FairfieldLife] Re: HITLER'S VALENTINE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: You lost me on your initial word flood in which you seem incapable o distinguishing between the beginning of your recent exchange with Share, my obvious intended meaning in context, and your fantasy that I was making a broader claim about your predisposition somewhere back in time that has no relevance to our discussion. FWIW Curtis, this was my understanding when I first read your response of ...from the outset as being the *current* exchange...not going back to the beginning. It surprises me that Robin, in his response, doesn't seem to understand this, but at least he's consistent...or maybe he's being ironic (disingenuous smiley face). FWIW, when I read Curtis's response, I also thought he meant going back to the beginning (this was before I'd read Robin's reply saying the same thing). on·set noun 1. a beginning or start: the onset of winter. 2. an assault or attack: an onset of the enemy. please continue... [snip] My experience of you, Curtis, has been that you are consistently dishonest. You're usually quite subtle about it, such that only the person you're being dishonest *with* is likely to be able to spot it. From the outset is a very peculiar way to refer to the most recent in a long series of exchanges. The most obvious understanding would be that you meant from the outset of the series. The idea that From the outset meant the most recent seems to me to be the twisted one. I think if you had meant the most recent one you would have indicated this, e.g., From the outset of your most recent exchange with Share... That you claim to be unable to understand how anyone could have assumed you did not mean the most recent exchange says to me that you are being disingenuous, at the very least about how obvious it was that you did mean the most recent. It was not at all obvious, it was ambiguous. And you being a wordsmith of sorts should have been able to easily recognize the potential for misunderstanding. If that's what it was. I think you are actually trying to backpedal from a mistake. You were not here, after all, when Robin and Share began their conversations, which were indeed extremely friendly. You returned to FFL after a longish absence several weeks later, just in time to see Share turn on Robin based on her misunderstanding of something he had said to her. You leaped into their conflict without knowing how Share had misrepresented the situation, having seen an opportunity to attack Robin by supporting Share. You claimed he had been deliberately setting her up for a confrontation, an idea she eagerly picked up on. It made an appearance later on in her unconscionable claim that she had been psychologically raped by Robin. I believe that's what you were remembering, and why you assumed Robin's mission with Share had never been friendly. That conflict, not incidentally, hardly exemplified the interactions with the intention to understand you go on here to tout, on either Share's part or your own. Your present insistence on the obviousness of your meaning for From the outset... is another example of the lack of intention to understand on your part. And then there's the interesting fact of the rest of that paragraph: From the outset your mission with Share has been unfriendly and she has done a pretty good job of handling herself considering that you are just letting her have it with both barrels about herself, uninvited. It reminds me of our conversations which followed the same arc, although I at lest got some flowers and chocolates at the door before the assault. Flowers and chocolates at the door does not refer to your current exchange with Robin. What you were reminded of by Robin's exchanges with Share was your early conversations with him. One more reason to suspect that by From the outset you meant from his early exchanges with her--except that you weren't aware of the flowers and chocolates she had received from him, hence your phrase at le[a]st. Your walkback here is only marginally plausible. You should, as Robin says, have just copped to making a mistake. That would have been no big deal. http://youtu.be/3_I8RCUpe-c (as in 5, 18, and/or 20 below) verb (used with object) 1. to combine, as two or more strands or threads, by winding together; intertwine. 2. to form by or as if by winding strands together: Several fibers were used to twist the rope. 3. to entwine (one thing) with another; interlace (something) with something else
[FairfieldLife] Re: HITLER'S VALENTINE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: snip Judy FWIW Curtis, this was my understanding when I first read your response of ...from the outset as being the *current* exchange...not going back to the beginning. It surprises me that Robin, in his response, doesn't seem to understand this, but at least he's consistent...or maybe he's being ironic (disingenuous smiley face). FWIW, when I read Curtis's response, I also thought he meant going back to the beginning (this was before I'd read Robin's reply saying the same thing). on·set noun 1. a beginning or start: the onset of winter. 2. an assault or attack: an onset of the enemy. please continue... ...as in read other comments that I've highlighted below. That was really funny. Not to mention the absurdity of her making a case for what my actual meaning was! Because she knows and I am being deceptive in that special way that only she and Robin can see. I have a feeling that I am seeing where some of my special students are going to end up. [snip] My experience of you, Curtis, has been that you are consistently dishonest. You're usually quite subtle about it, such that only the person you're being dishonest *with* is likely to be able to spot it. From the outset is a very peculiar way to refer to the most recent in a long series of exchanges. The most obvious understanding would be that you meant from the outset of the series. The idea that From the outset meant the most recent seems to me to be the twisted one. I think if you had meant the most recent one you would have indicated this, e.g., From the outset of your most recent exchange with Share... That you claim to be unable to understand how anyone could have assumed you did not mean the most recent exchange says to me that you are being disingenuous, at the very least about how obvious it was that you did mean the most recent. It was not at all obvious, it was ambiguous. And you being a wordsmith of sorts should have been able to easily recognize the potential for misunderstanding. If that's what it was. I think you are actually trying to backpedal from a mistake. You were not here, after all, when Robin and Share began their conversations, which were indeed extremely friendly. You returned to FFL after a longish absence several weeks later, just in time to see Share turn on Robin based on her misunderstanding of something he had said to her. You leaped into their conflict without knowing how Share had misrepresented the situation, having seen an opportunity to attack Robin by supporting Share. You claimed he had been deliberately setting her up for a confrontation, an idea she eagerly picked up on. It made an appearance later on in her unconscionable claim that she had been psychologically raped by Robin. I believe that's what you were remembering, and why you assumed Robin's mission with Share had never been friendly. That conflict, not incidentally, hardly exemplified the interactions with the intention to understand you go on here to tout, on either Share's part or your own. Your present insistence on the obviousness of your meaning for From the outset... is another example of the lack of intention to understand on your part. And then there's the interesting fact of the rest of that paragraph: From the outset your mission with Share has been unfriendly and she has done a pretty good job of handling herself considering that you are just letting her have it with both barrels about herself, uninvited. It reminds me of our conversations which followed the same arc, although I at lest got some flowers and chocolates at the door before the assault. Flowers and chocolates at the door does not refer to your current exchange with Robin. What you were reminded of by Robin's exchanges with Share was your early conversations with him. One more reason to suspect that by From the outset you meant from his early exchanges with her--except that you weren't aware of the flowers and chocolates she had received from him, hence your phrase at le[a]st. Your walkback here is only marginally plausible. You should, as Robin says, have just copped to making a mistake. That would have been no big deal. http://youtu.be/3_I8RCUpe-c (as in 5, 18, and/or 20 below) verb (used with object) 1. to combine, as two or more strands or threads, by winding together; intertwine. 2. to form by or as if by winding strands together: Several fibers were used to twist the rope. 3. to entwine (one thing) with another; interlace (something) with something else; interweave; plait. 4. to wind or coil (something) about something
[FairfieldLife] Re: HITLER'S VALENTINE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: (snip) FWIW Curtis, this was my understanding when I first read your response of ...from the outset as being the *current* exchange...not going back to the beginning. It surprises me that Robin, in his response, doesn't seem to understand this, but at least he's consistent...or maybe he's being ironic (disingenuous smiley face). FWIW, when I read Curtis's response, I also thought he meant going back to the beginning (this was before I'd read Robin's reply saying the same thing). on·set noun 1. a beginning or start: the onset of winter. 2. an assault or attack: an onset of the enemy. Actually the word you used was outset, not onset. Outset can't be used in your sense #2 for onset above. Outset just means beginning or start. In this case, you are absolutely correct Judy. Outset, not onset, was used which narrows the field of possible meanings. However, I still trust *my* initial reaction when I first read it as meaning the outset of this more recent exchange between the two because it has been a long time since there had been exchanges of any kind. I also think that everyone is aware that very rarely do exchanges between posters on this forum start out at the very beginning as hostile or negative. But you knew that. I don't think so. Since you have no substantive comments, let alone any refutations, of any of the case I made, there's nothing else in this post for me to respond to, thankfully. Stevie and laughinggull and possibly even feste will no doubt find your rejoinder brilliant, however, so it will have been worth your time. *plonk* Not much of a rejoinder to find brilliant. I *do* appreciate what Curtis, Steve, and others contribute on this forum because on the outset, it *feels* good-hearted and well-intentioned, even when defending someone. Not so the case with others. But you knew that. [snip]
[FairfieldLife] Re: HITLER'S VALENTINE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Judy, this post to Xeno, and also the 2 Dolphie posts are called HAVING FUN! Duh! Sure they are, Share. If that's what you call being out of control, then so be it. Also I was asking for Xeno's feedback on this reality topic. Sure you were, Share. I both enjoy and understand his writing. Sure you do, Share. Now to reflect a little Judy back to you: what exactly was my dumb comment about Hitler? Not sure how this reflects me back to myself, but I believe it was something like Perhaps if someone had sent Hitler a valentine, he would have become a happy architect. PS If I'm proving everything Robin said about me then maybe you could relax a little? I'm trying to calm you down, Share. You're not telling the truth here and most can see it. You're freaking out. I think now would be a good time for you to see your pastoral counselor, frankly. I'm serious. Now hold on there just a minute Missy. That's below the belt by anyone's standards even if you're using it just to keep Share engaged with you. And I don't get the impression that she is freaking out by any stretch of the imagination. On the contrary... Disengage, diengage, disengage... (me talking to myself) [snip]
[FairfieldLife] Re: HITLER'S VALENTINE
Thanks Judy. I did read it the first time soon after you posted it and was thinking of responding but you beat me to the punch. Of course apology accepted. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: LG, please see my post to Curtis-- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/340307 --if you haven't already, for my apology for my confusion about who wrote the post I'm now responding to. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: (snip) FWIW Curtis, this was my understanding when I first read your response of ...from the outset as being the *current* exchange...not going back to the beginning. It surprises me that Robin, in his response, doesn't seem to understand this, but at least he's consistent...or maybe he's being ironic (disingenuous smiley face). FWIW, when I read Curtis's response, I also thought he meant going back to the beginning (this was before I'd read Robin's reply saying the same thing). on·set noun 1. a beginning or start: the onset of winter. 2. an assault or attack: an onset of the enemy. Actually the word you used was outset, not onset. Outset can't be used in your sense #2 for onset above. Outset just means beginning or start. In this case, you are absolutely correct Judy. Outset, not onset, was used which narrows the field of possible meanings. However, I still trust *my* initial reaction when I first read it as meaning the outset of this more recent exchange between the two because it has been a long time since there had been exchanges of any kind. That's not really the case. Robin wasn't here at all from shortly before Christmas till the past week, but he and Share had had numerous encounters from the time of their big blow-up until he left before Christmas (mostly due to Share making various provocative comments about or to Robin). As I pointed out to Curtis, Curtis's first awareness of the exchanges between Share and Robin was that very conflict, which he himself joined on Share's side. So it would have been only natural (albeit mistaken) for him to assume Robin had started their discussions with unfriendly motivations. I also think that everyone is aware that very rarely do exchanges between posters on this forum start out at the very beginning as hostile or negative. It's not that rare, in fact. Barry does it all the time to newbies. He did it to Robin shortly after Robin joined us. But you knew that. I don't think so. I thought you were Curtis when I wrote that. He'd have known what he had written. Again, my apologies. Since you have no substantive comments, let alone any refutations, of any of the case I made, there's nothing else in this post for me to respond to, thankfully. Stevie and laughinggull and possibly even feste will no doubt find your rejoinder brilliant, however, so it will have been worth your time. *plonk* Not much of a rejoinder to find brilliant. I *do* appreciate what Curtis, Steve, and others contribute on this forum because on the outset, it *feels* good-hearted and well-intentioned, even when defending someone. Not so the case with others. But you knew that. [snip]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Beautiful. Thanks for taking the time and having the courage to post this here. -Buck in the Dome Ditto. In fact, worth saying again: *Beautiful*, Mr. Trowbridge. Perhaps it will be read by people with the ability to affect the changes of which you write. Doug, your last six words bothered me just a little. In what way? As in fearful of repercussions for expressing one's opinions? If so, do you really feel this way? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jwtrowbridge johnwtrowbridge@ wrote: I would like to give feedback from the perspective of one who loves TM, but not how the organization is run. I have wanted to do so for many years. I feel I have a unique perspective to do so. I am not angry. I am not dependent on TM other than my wonderful program I practice. I have no ax to grind other than a genuine desire to see the organization succeed. I wish to help this organization from the point of view of one who is a family man, a professional who sees the divinity of my practice, and the missteps of the organization. My TM program is the only time during the day that I know my activity is perfect. It is a perfect program. It is a perfect activity. It is perfect knowledge. I have recently obtained all of the advanced techniques. I have missed maybe five meditations in 40 years only because I enjoy it. There is no other reason. Not for health, not for enlightenment, such is the joy and power of my program. I have just finished 34 years as a public school teacher in North Carolina, and I am still teaching. I have been married 30 years. I have two children. My wife meditates. My two children have been initiated. From the beginning, I have provided support to the TM Movement through the use of my house for lectures, initiations, and whatever I have to offer all these years. I am your biggest fan. I started TM on November 13th, 1971 and got the sidhis in `80 or `81 at MUM. I practiced my program by myself over the decades until 5 years ago, when I went to MUM to fly in the dome for a 7-week visit. I have gone ever 2 years during the summer thereafter. I have never taken one dime of grant money. I mention specific names and impressions in this letter, not to target individuals, but to show relevant examples of what concerns me. I also want to describe what could be done differently, especially if you want to have credibility with Americans. The goal of this organization is not to appeal to a particular leader or person, but to the widest possible audience who will appreciate and practice the TM program in its purity. 2007: This incident exemplifies so many of the elements of what is wrong with how the TM organization is managed. When I came 5 years ago, I was in the dome for the IA course for just a few days when the men's group had to move because workmen were replacing the roof. We moved to a flying hall near the swimming pool. Unfortunately, a mistake had been made in preparing the new hall. The floor and walls had been painted with a toxic, oil-based paint, and the odor was awful, awful. The air in the new hall was extremely noxious. Fans in the eaves of the building were run night and day. Sidhas pleaded with Dr. Doug Birx not to move us into this situation. He said it could not be helped. I spent one day in the new hall experiencing bliss with an underlying headache. I never have headaches. I walked and hitchhiked to Vedic City to do program for most of the week instead of going to this toxic hall. Once I was picked up by a Board of Trustees member. I don't remember his name. In casual conversation, told him I had not come from North Carolina to huff paint fumes. The next day, thinking the fumes would be better, I went to fly in the newly painted hall. It was better, but still not good. During the 10 a.m. experience time, Dr. Bevan Morris asked Dr. Doug Birx an introductory question, Is there a problem with the hall? I assumed that the trustee I had talked to called Dr. Morris. Dr. Birx stated no. Who could question the bliss emanating from this hall? he asked. He added that there were some problems, but they had been worked out. He completely dismissed the issue. Who knows why Dr. Birx moved us into a hall that could have sickened the whole men's flying group, but the result was they were exposed to toxic fumes for a week due to his decision. And when he was questioned about this, he did not admit a mistake had been made and remedy the situation by moving the sidhas to a safe space. Systemic Issues: The TM movement employs managers who are brilliant and well versed in the Vedas or special knowledge. However, this does not make them skilled managers. The problems that allowed this one example to unfold are systemic in
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Being Special
Michael, if you're going to bring this up again, and before reading responses from anyone willing to take the time, relax and open your mind to what you are about to read. No one here is trying to convince you of the efficacy of TM or convert you back to its practice. They're trying to help you move past this and find some peace in your life. More interpersed below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Some time ago I posed the question that if, as Marshy always claimed, TM is better, superior to all other meditations, how can that be so, what makes TM special? In addition to being reviled for supposedly setting up a condition which would allow me to take shots at the TMO, I was told that it was not the mantras that are successful, but rather the fantastic instruction on how to use said mantras. Complete horseshit. If that were the case, then you really could use any word as long as you used it the way Marshy told everyone to use his mantras. And we know that ain't right. Sorry Michael, but your reasoning above doesn't make sense. The mantras used *aren't* special in that they're just meaningless sounds whose effects are known. They've been around and used for a long, long time. How do you get from that understanding that *any* word can be used? The effortless use of the mantra *is* what made TM different in the worldwide marketplace in the very beginning. There may have been other techniques just as effortless but this was the way that Maharishi chose to *market* his technique and he wasn't lying - it *is* effortless. Now there may be many techniques that advertise their effortlessness either from copying TM or the realization that it is a great marketing ploy. The mantras are as good as any others but even you true believers have said the mantras are not superior to others, its the WAY they are used. But if its the instruction, then any word should do, so why have the mantras at all? Again Michael, your reasoning doesn't make sense. Where is your bridge from mantras not superior to others (as in mantras I assume) to any word should do? So with TM being special, it has to either be the mantras or the way you use them or a combination - I don't see the instruction as being all that special - its not much different than other meditations including Deepak Chopra's Primordial Sound meditation and others where you are told to just not pay attention to thoughts and bring the awareness back to whatever when you notice you are on a thought. In the beginning, TM *was* different, and what made it different, its effortlessness, was copied by others. After all, Chopra was part of the TMO before he branched out on his own so doesn't it make sense that he would have incorporated what was best about TM into his own money-making endeavors? Other techniques may have been effortless also but they don't promote themselves as such. Thus we can see quite clearly that the idea that TM is a superior meditation, or as Marshy put it, the jet plane to enlightenment is complete nonsense, or to be more precise, a lie. I'm sure marketing to the general western masses has a lot of do with these claims. However different strokes for different folks as the saying goes. Now of course if one believes Mark Landau, then one knows that mantras are repeated to actually receive the blessings of whatever goddess the sound is associated with - in other words its about doing a practice to git something, its about accrual of power, not transcending to gain enlightenment. And why can't it be both? What's wrong with gitting something? Oh and Richard W, we all know the blabbity blab blab about all things TM coming from some Buddhist temple or other so no need to repeat it. Michael, the same could be said about your writing. And I was not setting up a situation to enable me to revile the Movement - I can do that all on my own. As I have said before, I am willing to believe anything, but not without evidence. No you're not, Michael. People have tried and what they've presented has fallen on deaf eyes. Of at least, a mind that wasn't open to other ways of thinking. I'm sorry to say this, but Michael, I'm beginning to sense that you're only interested in the dirt about anything that Maharishi and his movement has *ever* done (your recent request for stories about the Vedic Atoms was interpreted by me in this vein). And your thinking and/or belief that Maharishi and his movement did nothing whatsoever of benefit to thousands of people would be the greatest lie of all. Have you ever heard the expression throwing out the baby with the bathwater? Thus far, the evidence I have collected has shown me that Marshy was a liar, perhaps well intentioned in the beginning but soon after he left India he allowed himself to be seduced by the blandishments of the ego. The evidence I have also shows me that
[FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this. Being a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. Also her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage. Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound. To that I say yes. Because of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the ear drum produce something we call sound I would have to say that if there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that mean there is an echo in here?) Ann, I've thought the same way and I like your phrase the potential for sound. For the sake of discussion, I'd like to step even further back and ask, If a tree is *in* a forest, and there's nobody there to see or experience it, does it really exist? I'm finding this line of reasoning helps to clarify my understanding of consciousness as the *potential* for existence, and that different parts of creation, through the tools that each has, interpret this potential in many different ways, hence the vast diversity of creation: a human turns the potential (is not relative) sound vibrations into a sound (now relative) through the tools of our ears. And if enlightenment is nothing more than the realization of the potential for all existence along with existence itself, then the question becomes, for me at least, for what reason?  But thinking of time without space is for me like contemplating a zen koan. Very fun. I was fascinated that she ended the talk with a reference to neuroscience and how progress in that field may hold the key to our understanding time itself. Thanks for posting. From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space  A German physicist said so. Is she right? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACS1_5jyvHE
[FairfieldLife] Re: G-sus?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: [snip] I heard they cancelled Easter this year, they found the body. As Larry the Cable Guy would say: I don't care what anybody thinks, now *that* was funny. You are incorrigible CDB...and I'm glad you are. [snip}
[FairfieldLife] Cliff Notes Robin [previously Re: Men only]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Wa! Steve, Laughing One Jelly Bean called me a literary monster! Will you go pummel him for me? BTW, hope you had a wonderful Passover (-: Let's not forget that I also called myself one...I'm the or two...and also Jim. Does that mean I get three pummelings? Oh dear! From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 7:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Cliff Notes Robin [previously Re: Men only]  Hey, at least he's gotten into doing some research with regard to his postings. That's a new twist. And aren't we sorely tried to find something new in anything he posts? Like he's found a new pastime. As Edg would say, Good on ya Ravi --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: dear Laughing One Jelly Bean please do not be hurt that Ravi has totally forgotten the plot line of your Garden of Eden saga in which Xeno was NOT the one with whom I was cavorting in the bushes.àObviously the San Diego sun and southern CA ambiance has addled his brain, which he, meaning Ravi of course, doesn't even like us to talk about!àHis brain I mean.àNeuroscience and all that bullocks.àAnyway, more evidence of this addling is his being stuck in the past with talk of psychological rape and inauthenticity.àDear LOJB, isn't that just so so LAST year?!àAnd all the effing this and effing that.àOne is sorely tempted to urge Nephew to get some new material for gosh sakes!àIt's a new year.àEven in Western astrology.àEven in the Chinese system.àIt's a new season.àIt's almost a new month.àGet with the new program, Newphew!àSorry couldn't resist that lame pun smiley faces all around.ààààFrom: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Cliff Notes Robin [previously Re: Men only] àEveryone on this forum is just text on a screen to me. Thank you Guru Xeno - this is what I like about you. You are at least honest - and admit you are a cold-hearted, emotionless, distant, dead man basically, of dead beliefs, of inane platitudes - having sexual orgies in your mind with words, even your hard-ons while you are having sex with words might be just a word in your mind called hard-on. It really reflects in your writing - everytime I read you it's astonishing, it's as if you are a zombie. And then equally hilarious is when I see someone like Share react to you - it's as if she actually had sex with you and you made her come. I'm always tempted to ask you and Share to take your orgies offline. Hail to Guru Zombie Xeno !!! On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: Ok, that was silly. I went to your link and typed in some text. I made it longer and played with the percentage to keep or edit. All it did was randomly leave in or take out stuff. I don't get why you need a program to do this. Many of us do it naturally by the way we read, which is often sloppy or, because of pre-conceived notions about things, we fail to take in half of what anyone is actually saying. All of us are text compactors already and I don't think it benefits us all that much. I don't require a computer to do it FOR me! This kind of software is designed to produce 'executive summaries', and well designed programs do not use random selection. However the sample of Robin's was huge, and the compression was to about 5% which is really far too much. Normally you get reasonable results with 25% to 50% compression. Some manual editing might be needed. The software works better if the original document has a well defined structure. 'HOW IT WORKS' 'After text is placed on the page, the web app calculates the frequency of each word in the passage. Then, a score is calculated for each sentence based on the frequency count associated with the words it contains. The most important sentence is deemed to be the sentence with the highest frequency count.' 'Obviously, human readers may disagree with this automated approach to text summarization. Automated text summarization works best on expository text such as textbooks and reference material (non-fiction). The results can be skewed when a passage has only a few sentences. Text Compactor is not recommended for use with fiction (i.e., stories about imaginary people, places, events).' As the result with that post was not particularly good, I conclude Robin and his exposition
[FairfieldLife] Cliff Notes Robin [previously Re: Men only]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: dear Laughing One Jelly Bean please do not be hurt that Ravi has totally forgotten the plot line of your Garden of Eden saga in which Xeno was NOT the one with whom I was cavorting in the bushes. Now hold on there just a daggone minute Missy Dirty Mind! 'Cavorting' in the bushes? Where do you come up with these ideas? Let's look at it again, this time with a pure mind: It had been a really long, long time since you had been checked (wink, wink, nudge, nudge), and seeker Steve, being the 'exceptional' checker that he is (of course, I wouldn't know from personal experience) was more than willing to oblige. The bushes along the river provided the privacy needed, and the springy patches of moss provided comfortable seats. However, the first attempt was interrupted (commonly referred to as checkus interruptus*) when seeker Xeno stumbled upon yours truly selling water by the river. As a result, seeker Steve was very anxious to get back at it because, being the 'exceptional' checker that he is, knows that coming out of a checking session too quickly and without completion can lead to a condition commonly referred to as Krishna butterballs* for the checker and lackus fulfillmentitus* for the checkee. (It's also worth noting that he tries never to end a checking prematurely.) However, nature was supportive in the end and both of you were able to have a nice, long uninterrupted checking in which seeker Steve, I guess one could say, checked your brains out. (And he chose to stay and meditate with you rather than quietly leave the bushes.) It is easy? You experienced how easy it is? Now this is how we will meditate morning and evening... *these are sacred terms learned only on a qualified TTC, and are not available for use by ordinary lay meditators. Raviji, like jelly beans, also comes in many flavors, including cinnamon. Obviously the San Diego sun and southern CA ambiance has addled his brain, which he, meaning Ravi of course, doesn't even like us to talk about! His brain I mean. Neuroscience and all that bullocks. Anyway, more evidence of this addling is his being stuck in the past with talk of psychological rape and inauthenticity. Dear LOJB, isn't that just so so LAST year?! And all the effing this and effing that. One is sorely tempted to urge Nephew to get some new material for gosh sakes! It's a new year. Even in Western astrology. Even in the Chinese system. It's a new season. It's almost a new month. Get with the new program, Newphew! Sorry couldn't resist that lame pun smiley faces all around. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Cliff Notes Robin [previously Re: Men only]  Everyone on this forum is just text on a screen to me. Thank you Guru Xeno - this is what I like about you. You are at least honest - and admit you are a cold-hearted, emotionless, distant, dead man basically, of dead beliefs, of inane platitudes - having sexual orgies in your mind with words, even your hard-ons while you are having sex with words might be just a word in your mind called hard-on. It really reflects in your writing - everytime I read you it's astonishing, it's as if you are a zombie. And then equally hilarious is when I see someone like Share react to you - it's as if she actually had sex with you and you made her come. I'm always tempted to ask you and Share to take your orgies offline. Hail to Guru Zombie Xeno !!! On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote:  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: Ok, that was silly. I went to your link and typed in some text. I made it longer and played with the percentage to keep or edit. All it did was randomly leave in or take out stuff. I don't get why you need a program to do this. Many of us do it naturally by the way we read, which is often sloppy or, because of pre-conceived notions about things, we fail to take in half of what anyone is actually saying. All of us are text compactors already and I don't think it benefits us all that much. I don't require a computer to do it FOR me! This kind of software is designed to produce 'executive summaries', and well designed programs do not use random selection. However the sample of Robin's was huge, and the compression was to about 5% which is really far too much. Normally you get reasonable results with 25% to 50% compression. Some manual editing might be needed. The software works better if the original document has a well defined structure. 'HOW IT WORKS' 'After text is placed on the page, the web app calculates the frequency of each word in the passage. Then, a score is calculated for
[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Shermer rebuts Eben Alexander
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: But what if you wish for something really really hard, then I think it could come true, right? Like one time I wished on a star for ten days straight for something I really, really wanted and on the eleventh day do you know what happened? A 12 inch pianist knocked on my door. I don't get it. That's because most men don't have 12-inch penises. I figure God's wish spell check app sucks as badly as ours does, but I still consider it a proof of concept even if it wasn't exactly what I was asking for. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Read the book and get back to me...your research is perhaps not comprehensive enough..There are two ways to be fooled. Â One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true. - Soren Kierkegaard Only *two* ways to be fooled? You are overly optimistic. Delusion is a primary human characteristic. I have not read this book, probably have not the time. I read another one though - 'the Spiritual Doorway in the Brain' by Kevin Nelson, a neurologist who has been studying this phenomenon for some 30 years. He came to a different conclusion: Some comments on the Alexander book by others: http://www.salon.com/2012/11/26/dr_eben_alexanders_so_called_after_life/ http://www.realitysandwich.com/when_proof_not_enough_eben_alexander http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/science-on-the-brink-of-death http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1385027/Revealed-The-truth-near-death-experiences.html I tend to think life after death is an idiotic concept if one is attempting to be 'spiritual'. All experiences require consciousness. That is what the 'spirit' in 'spiritual' is. It is associated with every possible experience, and it does not matter if you can come up with a definition for it or not, we all have it. If it was not there, zero experience. No matter what experience, consciousness is there, pure existential value. Spiritually this what we are. This is our location. It does not matter what the experience is or where it seems to be, the consciousness is there as its container so to speak. Nothing outside of it can be an experience or knowable. Therefore it is meaningless to discuss other places one can be. One's life is just this sparkling whatever it is that makes experience possible. It is always where you are, because it is you. The other you, the 'me' is just a story inside this container that makes life knowable. Its a selective, quirky narrative about the relationships within the larger container of experience, and that narrative typically borders on insanity. The people who have NDEs are alive. People who are dead tell us nothing. That is the logical gap that makes evaluation of this situation impossible to resolve. Note that about 10% of NDE experiences recorded are hellish. Perhaps the attitude one has toward this issue is related to the answer to this question: 'Are you afraid to die?' My experience is that people who believe in an afterlife often seem very fearful of death. They believe they are going to a much better place, but seem to have a strong resistance to be in that better place.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
'Twould appear that a literary monster has been awakened. No, make that *two* literary monsters, or *three* if you count dumbass, md. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: To: Awoe, as Buck in Dome calls her Dear Missy Ann, I beg of you, please refrain from such undiluted praise of the writing of my client Share F. Long. I'll have you know that I have worked long and hard, steeped in the adoration I bestow on all my clients, attempting to promote her to Hollywood's A list of actresses. If you continue with such lavish blandishments of her forays into this other avenue of artistic endeavor, she may give in to temptation and forego her acting career in favor or favour of this more literary pursuit. Think Carrie Fisher. OTOH, dear lady, I believe you yourself could have a wonderful career here in Hollywood offering workshops in the Art of the Left Handed Compliment. Or the Art of the Backhanded Compliment. I could have my people do some research on those 2 different brandings and see which might work better. As much as I love Tinseltown, I do realize my fellow City of Angels inhabitants can be a bit jaded about such. And I do realize tee hee that my dear Missy Share might be the first in line to take your workshop. Your humble servant, Wilbur Farnsworpy Tigglewud III PS If we ever become closer please feel free to call me as my friends do: Tiggy 3. But please, no monogrammed ascots, riding crops or poop scoopers for me. Someday I will explain all. From: Ann awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:59 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,  The post Share made the other day from her agent declining Share's bit part in the MJ remake of The Lord of the Rings. That didn't even sound at all like Share and I LOVED it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Dear LG - you are awesome, your brilliance shines through. I am on the same page as you, I think Ann loves this exchange where her doubts are totally clarified by the impartial, disinterested POV of Curtis. I think she will be a fan of Curtis's belief in epistemological purity of neuroscience soon !!! (LJB in full prostrate e-position with e-hands touching His Holiness' e-feet) If I may humbly offer a word of advice Your Worshipfulness? (Permission granted by an e-tap to the e-head) Don't make the devotee into the Devoted; it is too much of a burden for one to bare and I am unworthy. (An e-nod of His e-head) And don't be afraid to say what You really think. (E-eyes widen with understanding as LJB awkwardly backs away remaining in full prostrate e-position) On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:00 AM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Curtis Ann, I just wanted to say that I'm *lovin'* this conversation...so rational, so calm, so from the heart, so real, so intelligent, so everthing. I hope all conversations here aspire to this level. Thank you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: Hey Curtis, thanks for this comprehensive reply. Although on one level it seems to be all about Barry it isn't really and it has gone past that into more interesting territory. I'd like to touch on some of what that territory is below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. Curtis, Barry does not like anyone who disagrees with him. I don't see a lot of people not agreeing with Barry. I see a lot of people attacking him personally. His criteria for liking or not liking someone are very transparent and quite simple. They include more than the one I just mentioned, but ultimately he dislikes personal challenge coming from others. He expressed his dislike for you and Robin before any of that happened. ( His objection to my use of dislike here is noted.) If that challenge takes the form of anything resembling a different viewpoint or one that makes him have to question his very rigid beliefs or one that requires him to retract, apologize or question his position he will take that as a personal attack or as a sign of boringness, cuntness, small mindedness or stupidity on the part of that person. I might have to see an example of this. I am more familiar with the predictable Barry is bad meme that flows freely here. I see more actual personal attacks than a challenge to beliefs. And I am not denying that he both gives as good as he gets and sometime initiates the insult cycle as he did with you and Robin. But since then the nature of your posts about him have been more insult to belief challenging as has Robin's. Barry aside and generally speaking I think when one challenges someone it can take many forms. It can come across as insulting, it can come across as inappropriate or harsh. One can challenge beliefs by poking at the character of a man. You can expose or reveal something about someone by using the back door. A conversation doesn't have to be about how someone feels about Buddhism, for example, to figure out how Buddhist someone is in their life. Just like you can walk into someone's house and come to understand, on some level, many aspects of their personality, their priorities, their tastes, what is valued and what isn't. Everything about what we do and wear and eat and read and watch tell the world about us. So my point is, you don't have to talk about a subject directly to come to understand how someone thinks about that subject. Granted, it can be the most direct way but words are easy to come by and actions and reactions under certain conditions can tell us much about another's beliefs. (I am trying not to talk specifically about Barry here and it may be coming out a bit unclear. I hope you understand what I am trying to say.) He is not open to being vulnerable to people who he does not like. Barry is never vulnerable on this forum. Ever. Sometimes this is people who attack him, but not always. He didn't like you right off. So you only see the version of Barry that applies to you, a person he does not respect. Barry doesn't begin to have the tools to deal with Robin. He is so far out of his depth, his
[FairfieldLife] If you had to choose a team...
As I've mentioned, I've been following and enjoying Curtis' and Ann's dialogue, an offshoot of a conversation between Robin and Curtis. It's funny that at the same time that the dialogue started between them that I was having similar thoughts, in a more general sense and not as intellectual, with respect to many conversations here on FFL, and began composing something that I put on hold until it could be edited and posted at a more appropriate time. I offer it now under its own heading so as not to interfere with nor break the flow of the conversations mentioned above: If I had to pick a team, I would probably pick _'s. Why? Because a lot of people on this forum from whom I pick up good vibes, and have come to respect (I trust my intuition) seem to understand where s/he's coming from and get along with him/her, namely (insert list of names here, including some who no longer post on FFL). Not that _ doesn't tell it like s/he sees it, as do the members of _'s team, but I get the distinct feeling that most members of one team get more easily caught up in a mob mentality, deliberate and confusing circular reasoning, prose that's not easy to understand, and in seeing just how far they can take it to have the final word before their quarry cries uncle (not literally but figuratively by discontinuing to participate in the conversation). I don't pick up those vibes from the other team. Theirs seems to be a more calm, rational and participatory posture offering opinions without insults to start and/or further the conversation that becomes defensive only when core values are challenged by dishonest guesses and suppositions. In addition, most members of one team seem to start fresh when they bring something new to the table, whereas members of the other appear to hold grudges incapable of being overcome for the sake of even acknowledging a contribution and/or expanding it into something civil and rational with a healthy dose of respect. Check out the number of and response time between posts from members of each team when a conversation turns ugly. Better yet, next time the inmates take over the asylum, so to speak, observe which team goes completely silent until the storm has passed. All the above are merely observations on my part after observing this forum for a long, long time, and picking up vibes as I read conversations. Granted, my opinion of each team has bounced back and forth across the net many, many times, but ultimately the ball appears to end up in the support court far more than the other for one team. Then again, maybe all of this serves a higher cosmic purpose and we are all controlled by a higher authority to simply git 'er done, to borrow a phrase from Larry the Cable Guy. YMMV and civil responses are, as always, welcome...not that anyone needs my permission.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
Archives??? You mean there are archives here at FFL where anything the anyone has written, even when they make total asses of themselves, is kept forever and ever??? Please say it isn't true! North Carolina --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: LG baby - I think you will be better off if you search the archives and read the art of irony as expounded by Robin, 'cause seriously your lame, retarded attempt at irony is pretty pathetic. Where did you say you were from again - South or North Carolina? (Oh God - I beg you, please let it be NC). On Mar 25, 2013, at 10:18 AM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Dear LG - you are awesome, your brilliance shines through. I am on the same page as you, I think Ann loves this exchange where her doubts are totally clarified by the impartial, disinterested POV of Curtis. I think she will be a fan of Curtis's belief in epistemological purity of neuroscience soon !!! (LJB in full prostrate e-position with e-hands touching His Holiness' e-feet) If I may humbly offer a word of advice Your Worshipfulness? (Permission granted by an e-tap to the e-head) Don't make the devotee into the Devoted; it is too much of a burden for one to bare and I am unworthy. (An e-nod of His e-head) And don't be afraid to say what You really think. (E-eyes widen with understanding as LJB awkwardly backs away remaining in full prostrate e-position) On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:00 AM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Curtis Ann, I just wanted to say that I'm *lovin'* this conversation...so rational, so calm, so from the heart, so real, so intelligent, so everthing. I hope all conversations here aspire to this level. Thank you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: Hey Curtis, thanks for this comprehensive reply. Although on one level it seems to be all about Barry it isn't really and it has gone past that into more interesting territory. I'd like to touch on some of what that territory is below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. Curtis, Barry does not like anyone who disagrees with him. I don't see a lot of people not agreeing with Barry. I see a lot of people attacking him personally. His criteria for liking or not liking someone are very transparent and quite simple. They include more than the one I just mentioned, but ultimately he dislikes personal challenge coming from others. He expressed his dislike for you and Robin before any of that happened. ( His objection to my use of dislike here is noted.) If that challenge takes the form of anything resembling a different viewpoint or one that makes him have to question his very rigid beliefs or one that requires him to retract, apologize or question his position he will take that as a personal attack or as a sign of boringness, cuntness, small mindedness or stupidity on the part of that person. I might have to see an example of this. I am more familiar with the predictable Barry is bad meme that flows freely here. I see more actual personal attacks than a challenge to beliefs. And I am not denying that he both gives as good as he gets and sometime initiates the insult cycle as he did with you and Robin. But since then the nature of your posts about him have been more insult to belief challenging as has Robin's. Barry aside and generally speaking I think when one challenges someone it can take many forms. It can come across as insulting, it can come across as inappropriate or harsh. One can challenge beliefs by poking at the character of a man. You can expose or reveal something about someone by using the back door. A conversation doesn't have to be about how someone feels about Buddhism, for example, to figure out how Buddhist someone is in their life. Just like you can walk into someone's house and come to understand, on some level, many aspects of their personality, their priorities, their tastes, what is valued and what isn't. Everything about what we do and wear and eat and read and watch tell the world about us. So my point is, you don't have
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you had to choose a team...
The jury is still out (and may never return) but your guess has a 50/50 chance of being correct. Good work! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Brilliant Carolinian logic and exposition. Let me start off with a wild guess LG. Your retarded Appalachian sympathies lie with the soothing, pristine purity that is the impartial, disinterested POV's of Barry and Curtis - am I right? On Mar 25, 2013, at 10:30 AM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: As I've mentioned, I've been following and enjoying Curtis' and Ann's dialogue, an offshoot of a conversation between Robin and Curtis. It's funny that at the same time that the dialogue started between them that I was having similar thoughts, in a more general sense and not as intellectual, with respect to many conversations here on FFL, and began composing something that I put on hold until it could be edited and posted at a more appropriate time. I offer it now under its own heading so as not to interfere with nor break the flow of the conversations mentioned above: If I had to pick a team, I would probably pick _'s. Why? Because a lot of people on this forum from whom I pick up good vibes, and have come to respect (I trust my intuition) seem to understand where s/he's coming from and get along with him/her, namely (insert list of names here, including some who no longer post on FFL). Not that _ doesn't tell it like s/he sees it, as do the members of _'s team, but I get the distinct feeling that most members of one team get more easily caught up in a mob mentality, deliberate and confusing circular reasoning, prose that's not easy to understand, and in seeing just how far they can take it to have the final word before their quarry cries uncle (not literally but figuratively by discontinuing to participate in the conversation). I don't pick up those vibes from the other team. Theirs seems to be a more calm, rational and participatory posture offering opinions without insults to start and/or further the conversation that becomes defensive only when core values are challenged by dishonest guesses and suppositions. In addition, most members of one team seem to start fresh when they bring something new to the table, whereas members of the other appear to hold grudges incapable of being overcome for the sake of even acknowledging a contribution and/or expanding it into something civil and rational with a healthy dose of respect. Check out the number of and response time between posts from members of each team when a conversation turns ugly. Better yet, next time the inmates take over the asylum, so to speak, observe which team goes completely silent until the storm has passed. All the above are merely observations on my part after observing this forum for a long, long time, and picking up vibes as I read conversations. Granted, my opinion of each team has bounced back and forth across the net many, many times, but ultimately the ball appears to end up in the support court far more than the other for one team. Then again, maybe all of this serves a higher cosmic purpose and we are all controlled by a higher authority to simply git 'er done, to borrow a phrase from Larry the Cable Guy. YMMV and civil responses are, as always, welcome...not that anyone needs my permission.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: LG baby - I think you will be better off if you search the archives and read the art of irony as expounded by Robin, 'cause seriously your lame, retarded attempt at irony is pretty pathetic. http://youtu.be/xDUKxVPKUt8 Where did you say you were from again - South or North Carolina? (Oh God - I beg you, please let it be NC). On Mar 25, 2013, at 10:18 AM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Dear LG - you are awesome, your brilliance shines through. I am on the same page as you, I think Ann loves this exchange where her doubts are totally clarified by the impartial, disinterested POV of Curtis. I think she will be a fan of Curtis's belief in epistemological purity of neuroscience soon !!! (LJB in full prostrate e-position with e-hands touching His Holiness' e-feet) If I may humbly offer a word of advice Your Worshipfulness? (Permission granted by an e-tap to the e-head) Don't make the devotee into the Devoted; it is too much of a burden for one to bare and I am unworthy. (An e-nod of His e-head) And don't be afraid to say what You really think. (E-eyes widen with understanding as LJB awkwardly backs away remaining in full prostrate e-position) On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:00 AM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Curtis Ann, I just wanted to say that I'm *lovin'* this conversation...so rational, so calm, so from the heart, so real, so intelligent, so everthing. I hope all conversations here aspire to this level. Thank you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: Hey Curtis, thanks for this comprehensive reply. Although on one level it seems to be all about Barry it isn't really and it has gone past that into more interesting territory. I'd like to touch on some of what that territory is below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. Curtis, Barry does not like anyone who disagrees with him. I don't see a lot of people not agreeing with Barry. I see a lot of people attacking him personally. His criteria for liking or not liking someone are very transparent and quite simple. They include more than the one I just mentioned, but ultimately he dislikes personal challenge coming from others. He expressed his dislike for you and Robin before any of that happened. ( His objection to my use of dislike here is noted.) If that challenge takes the form of anything resembling a different viewpoint or one that makes him have to question his very rigid beliefs or one that requires him to retract, apologize or question his position he will take that as a personal attack or as a sign of boringness, cuntness, small mindedness or stupidity on the part of that person. I might have to see an example of this. I am more familiar with the predictable Barry is bad meme that flows freely here. I see more actual personal attacks than a challenge to beliefs. And I am not denying that he both gives as good as he gets and sometime initiates the insult cycle as he did with you and Robin. But since then the nature of your posts about him have been more insult to belief challenging as has Robin's. Barry aside and generally speaking I think when one challenges someone it can take many forms. It can come across as insulting, it can come across as inappropriate or harsh. One can challenge beliefs by poking at the character of a man. You can expose or reveal something about someone by using the back door. A conversation doesn't have to be about how someone feels about Buddhism, for example, to figure out how Buddhist someone is in their life. Just like you can walk into someone's house and come to understand, on some level, many aspects of their personality, their priorities, their tastes, what is valued and what isn't. Everything about what we do and wear and eat and read and watch tell the world about us. So my point is, you don't have to talk about a subject directly to come to understand how someone thinks about that subject. Granted, it can be the most direct way but words are easy to come
[FairfieldLife] Mel Brooks at his finest...Dracula, Dead Loving It
Ran across this forgotten gem when searching youtube for a good clip to use here at FFL. Peter MacNicol is IMO a comedic genius. The entire movie in nine parts: http://youtu.be/CwrvBDmu3gY If you don't want to watch the whole movie, the funniest scenes in three parts chronologically: http://youtu.be/UW5iZ5fazWw Be prepared to laugh...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To all interested.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: LG baby - all that water that you have been selling to those suckers, I mean seekers - better be from that bowl of Ganga water that I spat in, otherwise I am going to wipe that fucking laugh off your face and your title. http://youtu.be/D88HMQF8W_4 On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 8:05 PM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: So true and don't either of you forget it! From now on, you have to go through me to get to my sweet innocent Baby Krishna Ravi. If you wish to respond to Him, you must ask me first. I'll then consult with Him in due time to see if He would like to even pursue your line of discussion. If He chooses not to, then no reason to even post your comments in the first place. A very efficient and effective use of His precious time. And please try to remember... I understand that you, Laughinggull, are now manning the ticket counter access to His Presence the Magisterial Royal Mahaswami Ravi Chivukula Guruji Mahatmaraja, beneath whom I am not fit to sweep even His Toe Nail Clippings. Pray tell upon what condition His Infiniteness might deign to drop a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan in my unworthy direction. Perhaps in a moment of His most offhand attention He would feel it barely tolerable to pass a kernel of His Most High Wisdom through you to us most thirsty and groveling, sycophantic worshipers of His Greatness. Perhaps you could collect a few grains left over from one of His Chapatis, that we could build a shrine to house them and perpetuate their Divine and most Humble power. Scenario: A beat up saffron-colored Ford Ranger mini-pickup truck with a rickety wooden camper shell parked beside a clear-flowing river with a flashing neon sign hooked up to a 12-volt battery that reads Water for Sale. Leaning against the camper shell on the tailgate in his much too tight, yet dapper, Shivaratri-best dhoti is our Laughing Protector of His Holiness Raviji who appears to be either in samadhi or nodding off. (The latter is probably the case since LPHHR's head occasionally drops suddenly then quickly comes back up with a jerking motion.) Seeker Xeno warily approaches while seekers Share and Steve maintain a relatively safe distance about 50 yards away hidden in the lush vegetation growing along the river on which seeker Share is busily munching and making soft cooing sounds. Seeker Steve's eyes are focused on seeker Share, with an occasional glance towards seeker Xeno, ever ready to jump in at a moment's notice should the slightest danger present itself. A dry twig snaps loudly under seeker Xeno's sandal-covered foot to which LPHHR awakens with a start muttering ...yes...mmm...yes...hare Ravi...mmm... as if caught between an erotic dream and waking reality. Seeker Xeno is the first to speak: Oh Laughing Protector and manner of the Ticket Counter, I and my two seeker companions hiding back there in the bushes have traveled long and far along this clear-flowing river and are most thirsty for water. More importantly, and I can't speak for my two seeker companions hiding back there in the bushes, I approach as a groveling, sycophantic worshiper of His Greatness whose name is revered far and wide throughout these lands of FFL, and desire greatly for just a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan or maybe just a kernel of His Most High Wisdom passed through you to me...uh, I mean us. Hey, seekers Share and Steve, if you wanna get in on this, you better get up here now... Slightly disheveled seekers Share and Steve, with sheepish grins on their glistening faces, emerge from the bushes. Fully-awakened (but not in the spiritual sense) LPHHR recognizing that he has some shills...uh...potential clients speaks: Yes indeedy...step right up...step right up all ye sincere seekers of transitory...uh...I mean permanent RR. First things first however. Cool, clear, thirst-quenching water is $2 per cup or I can let you have an entire quart for $10. So what will it be my most parched and sincere seekers? After a brief consultation among the three seeker companions from whom can be heard seeker Xeno ...the cups are cheaper and seeker Share in her most pouty voice ...but I want the quart!, seeker Xeno approaches and says: We'll take two quarts. And by the way, what's RR? The scene fades to black as the first strains of Amazing Grace play softly in the background. [to be continued...] Scene
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To Master R.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: LG baby - all that water that you have been selling to those suckers, I mean seekers - better be from that bowl of Ganga water that I spat in, otherwise I am going to wipe that fucking laugh off your face and your title. http://youtu.be/D88HMQF8W_4 On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 8:05 PM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: So true and don't either of you forget it! From now on, you have to go through me to get to my sweet innocent Baby Krishna Ravi. If you wish to respond to Him, you must ask me first. I'll then consult with Him in due time to see if He would like to even pursue your line of discussion. If He chooses not to, then no reason to even post your comments in the first place. A very efficient and effective use of His precious time. And please try to remember... I understand that you, Laughinggull, are now manning the ticket counter access to His Presence the Magisterial Royal Mahaswami Ravi Chivukula Guruji Mahatmaraja, beneath whom I am not fit to sweep even His Toe Nail Clippings. Pray tell upon what condition His Infiniteness might deign to drop a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan in my unworthy direction. Perhaps in a moment of His most offhand attention He would feel it barely tolerable to pass a kernel of His Most High Wisdom through you to us most thirsty and groveling, sycophantic worshipers of His Greatness. Perhaps you could collect a few grains left over from one of His Chapatis, that we could build a shrine to house them and perpetuate their Divine and most Humble power. Scenario: A beat up saffron-colored Ford Ranger mini-pickup truck with a rickety wooden camper shell parked beside a clear-flowing river with a flashing neon sign hooked up to a 12-volt battery that reads Water for Sale. Leaning against the camper shell on the tailgate in his much too tight, yet dapper, Shivaratri-best dhoti is our Laughing Protector of His Holiness Raviji who appears to be either in samadhi or nodding off. (The latter is probably the case since LPHHR's head occasionally drops suddenly then quickly comes back up with a jerking motion.) Seeker Xeno warily approaches while seekers Share and Steve maintain a relatively safe distance about 50 yards away hidden in the lush vegetation growing along the river on which seeker Share is busily munching and making soft cooing sounds. Seeker Steve's eyes are focused on seeker Share, with an occasional glance towards seeker Xeno, ever ready to jump in at a moment's notice should the slightest danger present itself. A dry twig snaps loudly under seeker Xeno's sandal-covered foot to which LPHHR awakens with a start muttering ...yes...mmm...yes...hare Ravi...mmm... as if caught between an erotic dream and waking reality. Seeker Xeno is the first to speak: Oh Laughing Protector and manner of the Ticket Counter, I and my two seeker companions hiding back there in the bushes have traveled long and far along this clear-flowing river and are most thirsty for water. More importantly, and I can't speak for my two seeker companions hiding back there in the bushes, I approach as a groveling, sycophantic worshiper of His Greatness whose name is revered far and wide throughout these lands of FFL, and desire greatly for just a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan or maybe just a kernel of His Most High Wisdom passed through you to me...uh, I mean us. Hey, seekers Share and Steve, if you wanna get in on this, you better get up here now... Slightly disheveled seekers Share and Steve, with sheepish grins on their glistening faces, emerge from the bushes. Fully-awakened (but not in the spiritual sense) LPHHR recognizing that he has some shills...uh...potential clients speaks: Yes indeedy...step right up...step right up all ye sincere seekers of transitory...uh...I mean permanent RR. First things first however. Cool, clear, thirst-quenching water is $2 per cup or I can let you have an entire quart for $10. So what will it be my most parched and sincere seekers? After a brief consultation among the three seeker companions from whom can be heard seeker Xeno ...the cups are cheaper and seeker Share in her most pouty voice ...but I want the quart!, seeker Xeno approaches and says: We'll take two quarts. And by the way, what's RR? The scene fades to black as the first strains of Amazing Grace play softly in the background. [to be continued...] Scene
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To the bird frog freak.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: snip As seeker Xeno's eyes begin to flutter open, seekers Share's and Steve's begin to close as the heavy and intoxicatingly sweet fragrance of lilac, along with the natural lullaby of the clear-flowing river, gently lulls them to sleep...not to mention the velvety cushion of soft green moss against which both are languidly reclined. (Happy now, Steve???) Birds. I want birds. Songbirds. The scene needs these to be complete. The lullaby of the river is good, but let's work in some song birds, and maybe a croaking frog. And the magic word is? Doesn't matter, I live only to please: http://youtu.be/L_hFw_cWg9U http://youtu.be/MsROL4Kf8QY http://youtu.be/ees3PE7yNOg When he is once more able to focus, seeker Xeno's eyes fall on the vast assortment of objects that LJB has so artfully and tastefully arranged on the downturned tailgate of the pick-up truck. In the shadows under the wooden camper shell can be seen various beat up cardboard boxes in a state of disarray with their contents spilling out across the bed of the truck. Could I interest you seeker Xeno in various rare and sacred objects guaranteed to begin the cleansing and purifying process to the extent that His Worshipfulness will deign to bestow a brief moment of His coveted attention upon your sorry ass...uh, I mean unrealized small 's' self? croons LJB in his best Og Mandino impression. In a somewhat croaky yet quiet whisper so that seekers Share and Share can't hear, seeker Xeno asks May I please buy four cups of water to assuage my rabid thirst? Certainly, smiles LJB as he walks a mere two feet away and dips an empty quart bottle in the clear-flowing river and hands it to seeker Xeno. That will be $10 please. Now wait just a darn minute, O Laughing One protests seeker Xeno, who obviously came out of meditation a little too quickly. Earlier you said water was $2 a cup so by my calculation four cups would only be $8. Yes, dear seeker Xeno, that is true, croons LJB in his most soothing voice. But four cups is equal to a quart of water, and the price of a quart of water is $10. If you're running low on funds, I conveniently accept credit or debit cards for a very modest 5% surcharge over and above my very fair purchase prices. Slightly confused because he came out of meditation a little too quickly, and his rabid thirst getting the better of him, seeker Xeno hands over his gold Amex card to which LJB smiles gleefully as soon as he turns to go ring up the charge. Why don't I just hold on to this until all our purchases are complete, hmmm? he asks, to which seeker Xeno, in a daze and staring at a group of people further down the clear-flowing river dipping out cool water by the gallon, mutters, Huh? Whatever. Suddenly, and with utter finality, the veil lifts, and with a clarity of understanding experienced previously only for the very briefest of moments, no longer a seeker Xeno proclaims, O Laughing One, I am now the one who is laughing because the water is, and has always been, free. A momentary look of fear and panic clouds LJB's face as he realizes no longer a seeker Xeno has discovered the truth, but quickly turns to disappointment as he realizes he has just lost his best customer in weeks. What has been sought has been found. You have no need for these earthly objects nor the attention or presence of my Master Raviji, so go from here and find your own self-proclaimed door lackeys. As Xeno is seen disappearing into the setting sun whistling Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah further down the river, seekers Share and Steve can be seen stumbling towards the clearing in which sits the beat up saffron-colored Ford Ranger mini-pickup truck. As the scene slowly fades to black, seeker Share can be heard excitedly saying, Oh look Stevie at all these wonderful things. I must have one of these and, and three of those and, and...Stevie, would you be a dear and buy us another quart of water...and what are those things in that box back there... as LJB's face turns from sadness and disappointment to absolute and utter joy, and he croons, Right this way, seeker Share, right this way. Have I got something special just for you... [to be continued for a substantial yet very modest fee]
[FairfieldLife] a young soul faking it...to dumbass
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Excellent. Barry is doing the only thing he can do - pretend non-attachment, and liberation. He has been at the seeker game too long, and too publicly, to still be having few or no encouraging experiences during spiritual practices, certainly nothing of any lasting value. So he fakes it. He doesn't want to expose his limp dick during social intercourse, so he fakes it. Its pretty funny watching an ego fake its liberation, and sad too. Very much the seal trying for a quick 100 yd. dash. Very strange these people who would rather turn their lives into a dead smiling hell, than face themselves, and their failures. It is a strategy used by young souls - this playing pretend, this wasting time in life, as other than yourself, faking it. For the rest of us, life is too precious to be unreal. Even when it hurts like the devil. I wouldn't hesitate to be in pain, if the alternative is being dead inside - all locked up in a spinning mind, the sly spider catching himself in his own web, then announcing to the rest of us, Gotcha!. I'd rather stare life in the face, with the worst it has to offer, than don a cloak of emotional death, and fake it. Barry's clear choice (and his sidekick's too), and dead easy to spot. Nice metaphors in the above dumbass. Leave out all the name calling and it's a very nice piece of writing indeed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. Curtis, Barry does not like anyone who disagrees with him. His criteria for liking or not liking someone are very transparent and quite simple. They include more than the one I just mentioned, but ultimately he dislikes personal challenge coming from others. If that challenge takes the form of anything resembling a different viewpoint or one that makes him have to question his very rigid beliefs or one that requires him to retract, apologize or question his position he will take that as a personal attack or as a sign of boringness, cuntness, small mindedness or stupidity on the part of that person. He is not open to being vulnerable to people who he does not like. Barry is never vulnerable on this forum. Ever. Sometimes this is people who attack him, but not always. He didn't like you right off. So you only see the version of Barry that applies to you, a person he does not respect. Barry doesn't begin to have the tools to deal with Robin. He is so far out of his depth, his comfort zone his perception of what is unknown or possible that to actually interact on even the most superficial level with Robin would require something Barry simply does not possess or refuses to acknowledge. It is kind of like asking a seal to run the 100m dash in 10 seconds on dry land. Not possible. BW, then, does not allow the reader, either consciously or unconsciously, to derive any experience of what kind of experience BW must be having as he so slovenly and insincerely (the latter is quite subtle and can easily be missed) argues for his position. The digs aside (slovenly? insincerely?) I don't believe he sees any reason to share anything with people he does not like or respect. This excuse of respect is not about that at all. That is a convenient but erroneous description of what is really going on. It isn't about what Barry feels about the other person it is what the other person makes Barry feel about himself and THAT is what Barry dislikes. When he is made to feel inadequate he will point his finger at the other person and claim they are to blame; they are too boring or stupid or dogmatic. He will never take responsibility for himself and the reasons he feels the way he does. It will always be about the other guy. He just calls it as he sees it and moves on. His blasts are not an opening for a dialogue, they are just projections of his POV, more writing exercise than conversation. Exactly. If you look at the list of people who have received such attention they often have some similar traits that Barry is outspoken about not respecting or liking. I have a very good idea of his POV from his pieces contrary to your perspective. If a new poster showed up here today I could probably predict with good accuracy how Barry would react to them. It was easy to predict that you were not gunna be friends. Yes, I will give you that. Barry IS predictable. Ridiculously so. This is a man who lives in a world that is bound and known and very limited. He can only venture so far with a person - new acquaintance or
[FairfieldLife] Stars who practice TM...why is it important?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@... wrote: From: Ken Chawkin kchawkin@... The US Weekly and AAA Living Magazine are from Joe Toth. There are many more stars who do TM that are not on this list, but it's still pretty impressive! Can someone please explain to me why this is important...why the stars who practice TM is important? Oh, I think I get it; could this be the ideal society predicted where we live our lives vicariously through the lives of our stars of film, stage, and music? Talk about screwed up priorities...give me a break!
[FairfieldLife] Re: a young soul faking it...to dumbass
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Thank you, and your compliments would have been perfect, except for all the name calling.;-) Touche dumbass. Guess I'm going to have to start calling you Jim? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Excellent. Barry is doing the only thing he can do - pretend non-attachment, and liberation. He has been at the seeker game too long, and too publicly, to still be having few or no encouraging experiences during spiritual practices, certainly nothing of any lasting value. So he fakes it. He doesn't want to expose his limp dick during social intercourse, so he fakes it. Its pretty funny watching an ego fake its liberation, and sad too. Very much the seal trying for a quick 100 yd. dash. Very strange these people who would rather turn their lives into a dead smiling hell, than face themselves, and their failures. It is a strategy used by young souls - this playing pretend, this wasting time in life, as other than yourself, faking it. For the rest of us, life is too precious to be unreal. Even when it hurts like the devil. I wouldn't hesitate to be in pain, if the alternative is being dead inside - all locked up in a spinning mind, the sly spider catching himself in his own web, then announcing to the rest of us, Gotcha!. I'd rather stare life in the face, with the worst it has to offer, than don a cloak of emotional death, and fake it. Barry's clear choice (and his sidekick's too), and dead easy to spot. Nice metaphors in the above dumbass. Leave out all the name calling and it's a very nice piece of writing indeed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. Curtis, Barry does not like anyone who disagrees with him. His criteria for liking or not liking someone are very transparent and quite simple. They include more than the one I just mentioned, but ultimately he dislikes personal challenge coming from others. If that challenge takes the form of anything resembling a different viewpoint or one that makes him have to question his very rigid beliefs or one that requires him to retract, apologize or question his position he will take that as a personal attack or as a sign of boringness, cuntness, small mindedness or stupidity on the part of that person. He is not open to being vulnerable to people who he does not like. Barry is never vulnerable on this forum. Ever. Sometimes this is people who attack him, but not always. He didn't like you right off. So you only see the version of Barry that applies to you, a person he does not respect. Barry doesn't begin to have the tools to deal with Robin. He is so far out of his depth, his comfort zone his perception of what is unknown or possible that to actually interact on even the most superficial level with Robin would require something Barry simply does not possess or refuses to acknowledge. It is kind of like asking a seal to run the 100m dash in 10 seconds on dry land. Not possible. BW, then, does not allow the reader, either consciously or unconsciously, to derive any experience of what kind of experience BW must be having as he so slovenly and insincerely (the latter is quite subtle and can easily be missed) argues for his position. The digs aside (slovenly? insincerely?) I don't believe he sees any reason to share anything with people he does not like or respect. This excuse of respect is not about that at all. That is a convenient but erroneous description of what is really going on. It isn't about what Barry feels about the other person it is what the other person makes Barry feel about himself and THAT is what Barry dislikes. When he is made to feel inadequate he will point his finger at the other person and claim they are to blame; they are too boring or stupid or dogmatic. He will never take responsibility for himself and the reasons he feels the way he does. It will always be about the other guy. He just calls it as he sees it and moves on. His blasts are not an opening for a dialogue, they are just projections of his POV, more writing exercise than conversation. Exactly. If you look at the list of people who have received such attention they often have some similar traits that Barry is outspoken about not respecting
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To Wilbur.
for the worthless trinkets I sell to His adoring devotees ooopsie, please don't tell Him I said that. Well, Wilbur, you old fart you, my people's people will call your people and we'll draw up the contract. You'll have to convince me that you can handle the both of us before I'll sign anything because I have a feeling that that there Share is a handful and a half! I've heard some of the folks on FFL say that she's completely out of control visiting every Tom, Dick, and Harry offering some new age fangled whatnot and she needs to come out of the clouds and be satisfied with what's she's already got. I could care less but like I said make sure you can handle the both of us. I look forward to seeing you in Hollywood, and of course you're paying for lunch and maybe even dinner, you old son of a gun you. Your brother in spirit down on the farm, Laughing Jelly Bean aka LaughingGull108 aka Laughing Protector of His Holiness Raviji P.S. I know exactly what you mean about that there monogram thingie. I once had some handkerchiefs done that way you know the kind that stick out of the front pocket of your Sunday suit? Anyway, the first time I used one, the secret service of these here United States of America started coming out of the bushes and everywhere else claiming I was a past president or somesuch. I kid you not Wilbur! See you in Hollywood! And no more communications until I see you in Hollwood, I'm just too dang busy with the screenplay and spring plantin' just around the corner to properly respond. I'm sure you understand. [snip]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To all interested.
for the worthless trinkets I sell to His adoring devotees...ooopsie, please don't tell Him I said that. Well, Wilbur, you old fart you, my people's people will call your people and we'll draw up the contract. You'll have to convince me that you can handle the both of us before I sign anything because I have a feeling that that there Share is a handful and a half! I've heard some of the folks on FFL say that she's completely out of control visiting every Tom, Dick, and Harry offering some new agey fangled whatnot and she needs to come out of the clouds and be satisfied with what's she's already got. I could care less but like I said make sure you can handle the both of us. I look forward to seeing you in Hollywood, and of course you're paying for lunch and maybe even dinner, you old son of a gun you! Your brother in spirit down on the farm, Laughing Jelly Bean aka LaughingGull108 aka Laughing Protector of His Holiness Raviji P.S. I know exactly what you mean about that there monogram thing. I once had some handkerchiefs done that way...you know the kind that stick out of the front pocket of your Sunday suit? Anyway, the first time I used one, the secret service of these here United States of America started coming out of the bushes and everywhere else claiming I was a past president or somesuch. I kid you not Wilbur! See you in Hollywood! And no more communications until I see you there, I'm just too dang busy with the screenplay and spring plantin' just around the corner to properly respond. I'm sure you understand. [snip]
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Buck
Lookie what I found: http://www.hestakaup.com. All the videos are very nice. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: Buck, you recently lost your partner and beautiful Icelandic stallion Sorli. For those who are not familiar with the breed here are some photos of this hearty, strong little horses. These ponies have unusual gaits. Not the normal walk, trot and canter most horses employ. These 'trotters' are doing the tolt, for those who haven't seen it. I am not that familiar either with the breed but for being so small they sure have a lot of go. That Buck must have been flying around the countryside there in FF. Go Buck! http://www.google.ca/url?sa=irct=jq=photo+icelandic+toltsource=image\ scd=docid=3vQXG61FaqQPDMtbnid=NgPclmMP2kFS2M:ved=0CAUQjRwurl=http%3\ A%2F%2Fwww.ansi.okstate.edu%2Fbreeds%2Fhorses%2Ficelandic%2Findex.htmei\ =NcpNUYK5GuK0iwKKk4HwDQbvm=bv.44158598,d.cGEpsig=AFQjCNG20IApcumyMc0d6\ e-alA1udt1eLQust=1364138911360250
[FairfieldLife] Re: Remote Viewing Test for Everyone
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 03/23/2013 09:16 AM, John wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: In this video, the narrator will ask you to determine what is in his bag. Can you guess what it is? Please don't cheat and tell us if you got it right or not. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH5_Xcq8EnM PS You don't have to watch the entire video clip. You can go directly to the end of the video to find out. The most important message in this video is that you are completely relaxed in your mind and then see what is the shape or texture of the object is. That image that you see is more likely the correct answer. It's important that you draw the image on a piece of paper for confirmation of your remote viewing. Interesting... I was in bed, reading this post last night on my iPad, and while I didn't watch any of the video last night, I did have the thought that there was a doughnut in the bag. You just needed a night time snack. I don't think anyone guessed what was in the bag; when he revealed the object I wouldn't know what to call it anyway other than some brass ornament of some God or other. What DO you call that thing? And while I was quickly fast forwarding to find the spot I realized the speaker was s boring, just his body language made me want to doze off or give him a cattle prod. He even had to sit down by the end of it he bored himself so much. (Actually, to be fair I barely listened to anything the guy said.) Ann, Remote viewing may be the untapped power of the human brain. IMO, it's available to everyone who wants to use it. If you're good at it, you could avoid dangers before they happen. Or, maybe find love ones if they're lost or in trouble. And even for science, you can remote view the landscape of Mars or any exoplanets to determine if there is intelligent life there. JR Back in the late 1990s I ordered the VHS tape that Major Ed Dames who was in charge of the remote viewing program for the military. I didn't get any response for a while so called and actually in was Dames himself who answered the phone and said the tapes were in production and would be shipped shortly. The tape was interesting and had some tests with it. Dames has been on Coast to Coast a number of times making predictions most of which did not come to pass. Bhairitu, Remote viewing is supposed to be part of the byproduct of some principle in physics that scientists are now exploring. The narrator himself on the clip is a scientist who have done research for Stanford and the government. Isn't this what the movie Men Who Stare at Goats with George Clooney and Ewan McGregor was all about?
