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Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that he is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a grant proposal. You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er are more predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the final analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent benefits - most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Michael, Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the TMSP? You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think. Try something. I don't know what. But try to develop an interest other than TM. You are sinking into utter idiocy. P.S. Try looking back at some of your more early posts. Occasionally you had something interesting to say. A funny thing happened on the way to forum. But in your case, it's just no so funny! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding by the NIH - to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get funding by the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it. Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them nearly as stupid as funding research on TM. The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk. Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” Price tag? $423,500, according to NIH records. The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in Vietnam. The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact of a “genital-washing program” on men in South Africa. I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog all the time, so it could be you are lying as is our tradition but for your own sake, at least make the prevarications somewhat credible. From: infor cwae infocwae@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high schools we worked in. This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time program. We own them. 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left. A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training staff left the school. 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year. One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or misunderstandings. 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply flawed There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes
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Michael, You can't be trusted to make any kind of objective statement regarding TM. If it were to your advantage to praise the NIH in some regard, you would do so. You have no in-depth knowledge of the studies you cite below. On the surface, they look frivolous, but you have no idea if some real benefit may have come from them. Again, your only interest in citing those studies, is a means to discredit TM. And your case is weak in this instance, and often quite skewed (to say the least) in the other instances you come up with on a daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that he is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a grant proposal. You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er are more predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the final analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent benefits - most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Michael, Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the TMSP? You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think. Try something. I don't know what. But try to develop an interest other than TM. You are sinking into utter idiocy. P.S. Try looking back at some of your more early posts. Occasionally you had something interesting to say. A funny thing happened on the way to forum. But in your case, it's just no so funny! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding by the NIH - to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get funding by the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it. Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them nearly as stupid as funding research on TM. The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk. Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” Price tag? $423,500, according to NIH records. The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in Vietnam. The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact of a “genital-washing program” on men in South Africa. I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog all the time, so it could be you are lying as is our tradition but for your own sake, at least make the prevarications somewhat credible. From: infor cwae infocwae@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high schools we worked in. This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time program. We own them. 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left. A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training staff left the school. 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year. One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students
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What a double standard fool you are - you are asking me or anyone else to make objective statements about the TM or the TMO??? When has the TMO ever done that? With them its all about telling over the top lies to make money and you who claim not to even meditate much anymore have to defend them? You got mental problems that just won't quit. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:36 AM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Michael, You can't be trusted to make any kind of objective statement regarding TM. If it were to your advantage to praise the NIH in some regard, you would do so. You have no in-depth knowledge of the studies you cite below. On the surface, they look frivolous, but you have no idea if some real benefit may have come from them. Again, your only interest in citing those studies, is a means to discredit TM. And your case is weak in this instance, and often quite skewed (to say the least) in the other instances you come up with on a daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that he is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a grant proposal. You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er are more predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the final analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent benefits - most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Michael, Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the TMSP? You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think. Try something. I don't know what. But try to develop an interest other than TM. You are sinking into utter idiocy. P.S. Try looking back at some of your more early posts. Occasionally you had something interesting to say. A funny thing happened on the way to forum. But in your case, it's just no so funny! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding by the NIH - to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get funding by the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it. Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them nearly as stupid as funding research on TM. The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk. Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” Price tag? $423,500, according to NIH records. The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in Vietnam. The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact of a “genital-washing program” on men in South Africa. I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog all the time, so it could be you are lying as is our tradition but for your own sake, at least make the prevarications somewhat credible. From: infor cwae infocwae@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high schools we worked in. This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time program. We own them. 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left. A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the distraction from other
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Oh, Holy Mother of Jesus. So, let me get this straight. The TMO is a lying organization from gitgo. (or so you say). We know the rest, right, Marshy, old goat, ladeda deda. The same diatribe you pour out several times a day. But, you are saying, that because you view the TMO as a disreputable organization, you now have the right to make inflammatory, inaccurate, partial truth statement about same organization. Believe me. I know that makes sense to you. But, ...what was it you were saying about mental problems? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : What a double standard fool you are - you are asking me or anyone else to make objective statements about the TM or the TMO??? When has the TMO ever done that? With them its all about telling over the top lies to make money and you who claim not to even meditate much anymore have to defend them? You got mental problems that just won't quit. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:36 AM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Michael, You can't be trusted to make any kind of objective statement regarding TM. If it were to your advantage to praise the NIH in some regard, you would do so. You have no in-depth knowledge of the studies you cite below. On the surface, they look frivolous, but you have no idea if some real benefit may have come from them. Again, your only interest in citing those studies, is a means to discredit TM. And your case is weak in this instance, and often quite skewed (to say the least) in the other instances you come up with on a daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that he is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a grant proposal. You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er are more predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the final analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent benefits - most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Michael, Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the TMSP? You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think. Try something. I don't know what. But try to develop an interest other than TM. You are sinking into utter idiocy. P.S. Try looking back at some of your more early posts. Occasionally you had something interesting to say. A funny thing happened on the way to forum. But in your case, it's just no so funny! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding by the NIH - to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get funding by the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it. Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them nearly as stupid as funding research on TM. The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk. Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” Price tag? $423,500, according to NIH records. The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in Vietnam. The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact of a “genital-washing program” on men in South Africa. I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog all the time, so it could be you are lying as is our tradition but for your own sake, at least make the prevarications somewhat credible. From: infor cwae infocwae@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some
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You have not addressed how my statement is inaccurate (You can't, because it isn't) nor have you addressed why you need to continue to defend an organization that has a long track record of lies and deception and its founder and the technique itself when you no longer do the technique, nor its advanced programs and don't teach it anymore. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:14 AM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Oh, Holy Mother of Jesus. So, let me get this straight. The TMO is a lying organization from gitgo. (or so you say). We know the rest, right, Marshy, old goat, ladeda deda. The same diatribe you pour out several times a day. But, you are saying, that because you view the TMO as a disreputable organization, you now have the right to make inflammatory, inaccurate, partial truth statement about same organization. Believe me. I know that makes sense to you. But, ...what was it you were saying about mental problems? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : What a double standard fool you are - you are asking me or anyone else to make objective statements about the TM or the TMO??? When has the TMO ever done that? With them its all about telling over the top lies to make money and you who claim not to even meditate much anymore have to defend them? You got mental problems that just won't quit. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:36 AM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Michael, You can't be trusted to make any kind of objective statement regarding TM. If it were to your advantage to praise the NIH in some regard, you would do so. You have no in-depth knowledge of the studies you cite below. On the surface, they look frivolous, but you have no idea if some real benefit may have come from them. Again, your only interest in citing those studies, is a means to discredit TM. And your case is weak in this instance, and often quite skewed (to say the least) in the other instances you come up with on a daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that he is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a grant proposal. You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er are more predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the final analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent benefits - most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Michael, Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the TMSP? You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think. Try something. I don't know what. But try to develop an interest other than TM. You are sinking into utter idiocy. P.S. Try looking back at some of your more early posts. Occasionally you had something interesting to say. A funny thing happened on the way to forum. But in your case, it's just no so funny! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding by the NIH - to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get funding by the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it. Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them nearly as stupid as funding research on TM. The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk. Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” Price tag? $423,500, according to NIH records. The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in Vietnam. The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact of a “genital-washing program” on men in South Africa. I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog all the time, so
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The biggest problem with TM is though it tried to be secular it is not secular enough. Maharishi goofed by saying that the mantras are meaningless sounds. They are attributed to the Hindu pantheon but are really just sounds. The pantheon itself is made up as analogies to forces in nature. It just so happens that those sounds work well and may be better than others. Even my tantra guru thought they were arrived at by trial and error. And as I have mentioned many a time beej mantras can be used by anyone and it doesn't take a puja to activate them. It's long mantras like the Advanced Technique that required special handling. On 10/11/2014 05:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that he is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a grant proposal. You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er are more predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the final analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent benefits - most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. *From:* steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM *Subject:* Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Michael, Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the TMSP? You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think. Try something. I don't know what. But try to develop an interest other than TM. You are sinking into utter idiocy. P.S. Try looking back at some of your more early posts. Occasionally you had something interesting to say. A funny thing happened on the way to forum. But in your case, it's just no so funny! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding by the NIH - to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get funding by the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it. Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them nearly as stupid as funding research on TM. The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk. Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” Price tag? $423,500, according to NIH records. The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in Vietnam. The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact of a “genital-washing program” on men in South Africa. I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog all the time, so it could be you are lying as is our tradition but for your own sake, at least make the prevarications somewhat credible. *From:* infor cwae infocwae@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM *Subject:* 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high schools we worked in. This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time program. We own them. 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left. A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training staff left the school. 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year. One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints
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Actually, the NIH is pretty cash-strapped these days and the competition is very fierce for research grants, especially in a non-mainstream field like TM. And $24 million to study TM isn't the same as $200,000, or $800,000. TM researchers are very aware of this, and while privately funded TM pilot studies still get published (the pilot studies on PTSD in Uganda were paid for by teh DLF, for example), when TM researchers go after public funding, they are REALLY careful in how they design the studies. Only the best designs with the most plausible rationale are going to get the money, and since the data from NIH-funded studies, by law, must be made easily available to the public, even if the study never gets published, there's very strong incentive to ONLY use NIH grants for studies where TM researchers are pretty darned positive that TM will shine. Here's an example of a proposed design for a new TM study: Design and rationale of a comparative ef... [Contemp Clin Trials. 2014] - PubMed - NCBI http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25066921 Design and rationale of a comparative ef... [Contemp Clin Trials. 2014] - PubMed - NCBI http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25066921 PubMed comprises more than 23 million citations for biomedical literature from MEDLINE, life science journals, and online books. Citations may include links to full-text content from PubMed Central and publisher web sites. View on www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25066921 Preview by Yahoo It will be pretty cool if that study gets funded by the NIH. Of course, I expect TM to do well in treating PTSD, so I am most interested in seeing the results of the genetic analysis component of the study. That is the new darling for TM research, as it could be done for any kind of study--psychological, neurological, cardio, pure consciousness, enlightenment--anything. It is a very 21st Century thing to suspect that there are genetic and epigentic factors that influence how people respond to therapies, including TM. For example, is there a genetic or measurable epigenetic component for why some people show breath suspension during pure consciousness while others don't? Likewise with experience of bliss during TM? [I've never had bliss the way David Lynch describes, even as the aftermath of what I believe are pure consciousness episodes, and yet he says that every meditation period is extremely blissful] What about Yogic Flying and other TM-SIdhis practice? Is hopping during Yogic Flying predictable on a genetic/epigenetic level? Does YF influence things epigenetically in a measurable way? [any experience or activity almost certainly creates an epigenetic change, so measurable needs to be inserted here] Could epigenetic testing help guide recommendations to make TM and Yogic Flying more effective? Could it be used to augment/replace Ayurvedic consultations? Those are questions that could occupy researchers for another 100 years, even if TM research suddenly became even more popular than mindfulness studies. L [By the way, genital washing in South Africa might be a REALLY important issue. STDs are rampant throughout Africa due to various social and hygiene issues. Would you object to an $800,000 study on ways to improve health education to help fight the spread of Ebola, even if said study was simply about finding more effective ways of convincing people to wash their hands?] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that he is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a grant proposal. You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er are more predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the final analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent benefits - most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Michael, Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the TMSP? You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think. Try something. I don't know what. But try to develop an interest other than TM. You are sinking into utter idiocy. P.S. Try looking back at some of your more early posts. Occasionally you had something interesting to say. A funny thing happened on the way to forum. But in your case, it's just no so funny! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding
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Please tell us who your tantra guru is? From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 3:04 PM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco The biggest problem with TM is though it tried to be secular it is not secular enough. Maharishi goofed by saying that the mantras are meaningless sounds. They are attributed to the Hindu pantheon but are really just sounds. The pantheon itself is made up as analogies to forces in nature. It just so happens that those sounds work well and may be better than others. Even my tantra guru thought they were arrived at by trial and error. And as I have mentioned many a time beej mantras can be used by anyone and it doesn't take a puja to activate them. It's long mantras like the Advanced Technique that required special handling. On 10/11/2014 05:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that he is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a grant proposal. You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er are more predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the final analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent benefits - most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Michael, Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the TMSP? You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think. Try something. I don't know what. But try to develop an interest other than TM. You are sinking into utter idiocy. P.S. Try looking back at some of your more early posts. Occasionally you had something interesting to say. A funny thing happened on the way to forum. But in your case, it's just no so funny! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding by the NIH - to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get funding by the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it. Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them nearly as stupid as funding research on TM. The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk. Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” Price tag? $423,500, according to NIH records. The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in Vietnam. The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact of a “genital-washing program” on men in South Africa. I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog all the time, so it could be you are lying as is our tradition but for your own sake, at least make the prevarications somewhat credible. From: infor cwae infocwae@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high schools we worked in. This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time program. We own them. 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left. A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training staff left
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Different meditation traditions have different interpretations of what mantras are, and how they should be used. While I don't have access to either book, I've been able to read excerpts through amazon.com and google books: Ritual and Mantras: Rules without Meaning http://www.amazon.com/Ritual-Mantras-Rules-without-Meaning/dp/8120814118/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8qid=1411674554sr=8-3keywords=mantra+staal http://www.amazon.com/Ritual-Mantras-Rules-without-Meaning/dp/8120814118/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8qid=1411674554sr=8-3keywords=mantra+staal Ritual and Mantras: Rules without Meaning http://www.amazon.com/Ritual-Mantras-Rules-without-Meaning/dp/8120814118/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8qid=1411674554sr=8-3keywords=mantra+staal Ritual and Mantras: Rules without Meaning [Frits Staal] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Rituals and Mantras: Rules without Me... View on www.amazon... http://www.amazon.com/Ritual-Mantras-Rules-without-Meaning/dp/8120814118/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8qid=1411674554sr=8-3keywords=mantra+staal Preview by Yahoo Understanding Mantras http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Mantras-Harvey-P-Alper/dp/8120807464/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1411674614sr=1-1 http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Mantras-Harvey-P-Alper/dp/8120807464/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1411674614sr=1-1 Understanding Mantras http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Mantras-Harvey-P-Alper/dp/8120807464/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1411674614sr=1-1 Understanding Mantras [Harvey P. Alper] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Understanding Mantras explores the origin, nature, function, an... View on www.amazon... http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Mantras-Harvey-P-Alper/dp/8120807464/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1411674614sr=1-1 Preview by Yahoo Maharishi's take on how mantras are meaningless is quite traditional--for some people. It's utter nonsense for others, and that is why there is confusion about whether or not Maharishi is telling the truth about mantras. There's MANY different traditions, and probably sub-traditions within the traditions. Likewise, keeping a mantra as a mental thing never to be written down or spoken aloud appears to be traditional as well--for SOME traditions, and again, there's variations there as well. Best to think of TM as its own tradition with its own rules, rather than trying to justify every little thing that MMY said. Afterall, MMY himself implied that much of what he taught was via intuition (and/or trial and error). By all accounts, the early courses on the TM-SIdhis were substantially different than how they are taught now, for example. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : The biggest problem with TM is though it tried to be secular it is not secular enough. Maharishi goofed by saying that the mantras are meaningless sounds. They are attributed to the Hindu pantheon but are really just sounds. The pantheon itself is made up as analogies to forces in nature. It just so happens that those sounds work well and may be better than others. Even my tantra guru thought they were arrived at by trial and error. And as I have mentioned many a time beej mantras can be used by anyone and it doesn't take a puja to activate them. It's long mantras like the Advanced Technique that required special handling. On 10/11/2014 05:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that he is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a grant proposal. You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er are more predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the final analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent benefits - most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:steve.sundur@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Michael, Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the TMSP? You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think. Try something. I don't know what. But try to develop an interest other than TM. You are sinking into utter idiocy. P.S. Try looking back at some of your more early posts. Occasionally you had something interesting to say. A funny thing happened on the way to forum. But in your case, it's just no so funny! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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Tell you I guess since I'm talked about him over the years and posted his videos and folks commented on him (and some visited him). His site has expired as his son failed to renew the domain name but here is his YouTube channel. He passed away of heart failure two years ago this month. https://www.youtube.com/user/Swami999 He's not the only guru by a long shot who thought the mantras came about by trial and error instead of being cognized. So they were recognized instead. On 10/11/2014 12:20 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Please tell us who your tantra guru is? *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 11, 2014 3:04 PM *Subject:* Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco The biggest problem with TM is though it tried to be secular it is not secular enough. Maharishi goofed by saying that the mantras are meaningless sounds. They are attributed to the Hindu pantheon but are really just sounds. The pantheon itself is made up as analogies to forces in nature. It just so happens that those sounds work well and may be better than others. Even my tantra guru thought they were arrived at by trial and error. And as I have mentioned many a time beej mantras can be used by anyone and it doesn't take a puja to activate them. It's long mantras like the Advanced Technique that required special handling. On 10/11/2014 05:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that he is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a grant proposal. You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er are more predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the final analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent benefits - most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. *From:* steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] mailto:steve.sun...@yahoo.com[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM *Subject:* Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Michael, Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the TMSP? You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think. Try something. I don't know what. But try to develop an interest other than TM. You are sinking into utter idiocy. P.S. Try looking back at some of your more early posts. Occasionally you had something interesting to say. A funny thing happened on the way to forum. But in your case, it's just no so funny! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding by the NIH - to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get funding by the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it. Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them nearly as stupid as funding research on TM. The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk. Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” Price tag? $423,500, according to NIH records. The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in Vietnam. The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact of a “genital-washing program” on men in South Africa. I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog all the time, so it could be you are lying as is our tradition but for your own sake, at least make the prevarications somewhat credible. *From:* infor cwae infocwae@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM *Subject:* 399652Re
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Book a flight to India and ask around. Do your homework. On 10/11/2014 12:25 PM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: Different meditation traditions have different interpretations of what mantras are, and how they should be used. While I don't have access to either book, I've been able to read excerpts through amazon.com and google books: Ritual and Mantras: Rules without Meaning http://www.amazon.com/Ritual-Mantras-Rules-without-Meaning/dp/8120814118/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8qid=1411674554sr=8-3keywords=mantra+staal image http://www.amazon.com/Ritual-Mantras-Rules-without-Meaning/dp/8120814118/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8qid=1411674554sr=8-3keywords=mantra+staal Ritual and Mantras: Rules without Meaning http://www.amazon.com/Ritual-Mantras-Rules-without-Meaning/dp/8120814118/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8qid=1411674554sr=8-3keywords=mantra+staal Ritual and Mantras: Rules without Meaning [Frits Staal] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Rituals and Mantras: Rules without Me... View on www.amazon... http://www.amazon.com/Ritual-Mantras-Rules-without-Meaning/dp/8120814118/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8qid=1411674554sr=8-3keywords=mantra+staal Preview by Yahoo Understanding Mantras http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Mantras-Harvey-P-Alper/dp/8120807464/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1411674614sr=1-1 image http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Mantras-Harvey-P-Alper/dp/8120807464/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1411674614sr=1-1 Understanding Mantras http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Mantras-Harvey-P-Alper/dp/8120807464/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1411674614sr=1-1 Understanding Mantras [Harvey P. Alper] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Understanding Mantras explores the origin, nature, function, an... View on www.amazon... http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Mantras-Harvey-P-Alper/dp/8120807464/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1411674614sr=1-1 Preview by Yahoo Maharishi's take on how mantras are meaningless is quite traditional--for some people. It's utter nonsense for others, and that is why there is confusion about whether or not Maharishi is telling the truth about mantras. There's MANY different traditions, and probably sub-traditions within the traditions. Likewise, keeping a mantra as a mental thing never to be written down or spoken aloud appears to be traditional as well--for SOME traditions, and again, there's variations there as well. Best to think of TM as its own tradition with its own rules, rather than trying to justify every little thing that MMY said. Afterall, MMY himself implied that much of what he taught was via intuition (and/or trial and error). By all accounts, the early courses on the TM-SIdhis were substantially different than how they are taught now, for example. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : The biggest problem with TM is though it tried to be secular it is not secular enough. Maharishi goofed by saying that the mantras are meaningless sounds. They are attributed to the Hindu pantheon but are really just sounds. The pantheon itself is made up as analogies to forces in nature. It just so happens that those sounds work well and may be better than others. Even my tantra guru thought they were arrived at by trial and error. And as I have mentioned many a time beej mantras can be used by anyone and it doesn't take a puja to activate them. It's long mantras like the Advanced Technique that required special handling. On 10/11/2014 05:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that he is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a grant proposal. You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er are more predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the final analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent benefits - most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. *From:* steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:steve.sundur@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM *Subject:* Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Michael, Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the TMSP? You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think. Try something. I don't know what. But try to develop an interest other than TM. You are sinking
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Where did you meet him? From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 4:29 PM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Tell you I guess since I'm talked about him over the years and posted his videos and folks commented on him (and some visited him). His site has expired as his son failed to renew the domain name but here is his YouTube channel. He passed away of heart failure two years ago this month. https://www.youtube.com/user/Swami999 He's not the only guru by a long shot who thought the mantras came about by trial and error instead of being cognized. So they were recognized instead. On 10/11/2014 12:20 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Please tell us who your tantra guru is? From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 3:04 PM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco The biggest problem with TM is though it tried to be secular it is not secular enough. Maharishi goofed by saying that the mantras are meaningless sounds. They are attributed to the Hindu pantheon but are really just sounds. The pantheon itself is made up as analogies to forces in nature. It just so happens that those sounds work well and may be better than others. Even my tantra guru thought they were arrived at by trial and error. And as I have mentioned many a time beej mantras can be used by anyone and it doesn't take a puja to activate them. It's long mantras like the Advanced Technique that required special handling. On 10/11/2014 05:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that he is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a grant proposal. You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er are more predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the final analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent benefits - most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Michael, Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the TMSP? You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think. Try something. I don't know what. But try to develop an interest other than TM. You are sinking into utter idiocy. P.S. Try looking back at some of your more early posts. Occasionally you had something interesting to say. A funny thing happened on the way to forum. But in your case, it's just no so funny! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding by the NIH - to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get funding by the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it. Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them nearly as stupid as funding research on TM. The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk. Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” Price tag? $423,500, according to NIH records. The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in Vietnam. The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact of a “genital-washing program” on men in South Africa. I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog all the time, so it could be you are lying as is our tradition but for your own sake, at least make the prevarications somewhat credible. From: infor cwae infocwae@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project
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Bhairitu: He's not the only guru by a long shot who thought the mantras came about by trial and error instead of being cognized. So they were recognized instead. I look to science when credible research is available. However, lots of life does not (yet) have substantial numbers of of peer-reviewed double blind studies (if applicable) to help validate a hypothesis. For me, another source of (some) validation, is the fruits of evolutionary adaptation. Whether in insight was cognized, or recognized, seen under the influence, or in dreams, deduced, or brainstormed, etc, is not key. The core question is whether some traditional practice (medicinal, health, spiritual, psychological, artistic, customs, rituals) provided some evolutionary advantage over 100s of not 1000's of generations. That is, on day 1, who knows, it may have been a Life of Brian type scene, of 1000 different crazy and diverse truths being pronounced -- no matter how derived. However, some groups (families, tribes, villages, cultures, etc) survived, others did not. Undoubtedly, some instances of success were undoubtedly random. Spurious correlations (of which some great and beautiful examples were posted by someone the other day.) A FEW actually (may have had) a causal effect whereby A did (a majority of the time) result in B (particularly if you did it with C and D co-factors, etc). . The statistical probability that a particular intervention (ritual, custom, practice) provided some survival (affluence, success, well-being) value gets stronger with each successive generation of practicioners. Over time, over many generations, practices based on spurious correlations become less. Practices with some causal power increase. Over 100's of generations, the probability of some sustained cultural practice being a fluke, a random outcome, a spurious correlation), becomes smaller. And over 100's of generations, I presume many variations of rituals, customs, practices etc were tweaked and outcomes observed. More successful variations were sustained, others dropped off. Edison said he never failed when attempting to develop a new technology, but he did find 10,000 things that did not work. The process of adaptive evolution might be viewed in similar vein. 1000's of variations of ritual, practices, customs were conducted, over 100's of generations. Many were found to not work and were discarded, and the few success stories were kept and passed on to subsequent generations. These successful practices provided an evolutionary advantage to these particular groups, families, villages, tribes or networks. They tended to succeed and flourish while others, not using that particular practice, ritual, custom did less so, or eventually fizzled out. Someone once quipped God [or Nature] created Karma and then retired. An alternative hypothesis is that God [Nature] created Evolutionary Adaptation and then retired. (Outside the box, perhaps karma is a tool of evolutionary adaptation, or vv.)
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A friend who was also a TM teacher had him as a patient and Swami offered to teach him. So I met him through my friend. I didn't just jump in but met with him a number of times before learning from him about 6 months later. There even some folks who had been on Purusha who learned from him. On 10/11/2014 01:39 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Where did you meet him? *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 11, 2014 4:29 PM *Subject:* Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Tell you I guess since I'm talked about him over the years and posted his videos and folks commented on him (and some visited him). His site has expired as his son failed to renew the domain name but here is his YouTube channel. He passed away of heart failure two years ago this month. https://www.youtube.com/user/Swami999 He's not the only guru by a long shot who thought the mantras came about by trial and error instead of being cognized. So they were recognized instead. On 10/11/2014 12:20 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Please tell us who your tantra guru is? *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 11, 2014 3:04 PM *Subject:* Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco The biggest problem with TM is though it tried to be secular it is not secular enough. Maharishi goofed by saying that the mantras are meaningless sounds. They are attributed to the Hindu pantheon but are really just sounds. The pantheon itself is made up as analogies to forces in nature. It just so happens that those sounds work well and may be better than others. Even my tantra guru thought they were arrived at by trial and error. And as I have mentioned many a time beej mantras can be used by anyone and it doesn't take a puja to activate them. It's long mantras like the Advanced Technique that required special handling. On 10/11/2014 05:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that he is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a grant proposal. You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er are more predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the final analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent benefits - most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. *From:* steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] mailto:steve.sun...@yahoo.com[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM *Subject:* Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Michael, Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the TMSP? You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think. Try something. I don't know what. But try to develop an interest other than TM. You are sinking into utter idiocy. P.S. Try looking back at some of your more early posts. Occasionally you had something interesting to say. A funny thing happened on the way to forum. But in your case, it's just no so funny! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding by the NIH - to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get funding by the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it. Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them nearly as stupid as funding research on TM. The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk. Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” Price tag
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It is an opinion, not a statement of fact when you state what you do about the NIH. They are different things - opinions and facts, I'm sure you know. Or if you don't, it might be a good place for you to start when trying to sort things out. Good luck! Let me know if I can help. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You have not addressed how my statement is inaccurate (You can't, because it isn't) nor have you addressed why you need to continue to defend an organization that has a long track record of lies and deception and its founder and the technique itself when you no longer do the technique, nor its advanced programs and don't teach it anymore. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:14 AM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Oh, Holy Mother of Jesus. So, let me get this straight. The TMO is a lying organization from gitgo. (or so you say). We know the rest, right, Marshy, old goat, ladeda deda. The same diatribe you pour out several times a day. But, you are saying, that because you view the TMO as a disreputable organization, you now have the right to make inflammatory, inaccurate, partial truth statement about same organization. Believe me. I know that makes sense to you. But, ...what was it you were saying about mental problems? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : What a double standard fool you are - you are asking me or anyone else to make objective statements about the TM or the TMO??? When has the TMO ever done that? With them its all about telling over the top lies to make money and you who claim not to even meditate much anymore have to defend them? You got mental problems that just won't quit. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:36 AM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Michael, You can't be trusted to make any kind of objective statement regarding TM. If it were to your advantage to praise the NIH in some regard, you would do so. You have no in-depth knowledge of the studies you cite below. On the surface, they look frivolous, but you have no idea if some real benefit may have come from them. Again, your only interest in citing those studies, is a means to discredit TM. And your case is weak in this instance, and often quite skewed (to say the least) in the other instances you come up with on a daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that he is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a grant proposal. You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er are more predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the final analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent benefits - most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Michael, Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the TMSP? You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think. Try something. I don't know what. But try to develop an interest other than TM. You are sinking into utter idiocy. P.S. Try looking back at some of your more early posts. Occasionally you had something interesting to say. A funny thing happened on the way to forum. But in your case, it's just no so funny! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding by the NIH - to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get funding by the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it. Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them nearly as stupid as funding research on TM. The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk. Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” Price
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From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:21 PM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Thank you very much for this program! San Francisco is an amazing city and everything helps keep it that way. Please do not be overly concerned by some self-centered people here, just out to tear down TM, more in keeping with their unsuccessful lives. LOL, look at the rest of your posts tonight, it utterly kills me that you think a casual observer will look at your Bawee obsession as the product of a healthy mind and one that's been doing TM for decades, and not only that has attained some sort of spiritual goal! You bring up a good point, Salyavin. WHY would someone obsess the way Jimbo (fleetwood_macncheese) does about little ol' ME? I mean, he seemingly can't make it through a single day without writing some made-up tirade about me. Now if he were just a normal, everyday person, that could be construed as normal, everyday obsession, like Ann's or Judy's or Steve's. But Jim (as he never seems to tire of telling everyone) is ENLIGHTENED. Think about the *implications* of someone enlightened spending much of his online time obsessing on someone like me as Jim spends. We all know, for example, that Jimbo has claimed not just to be in CC (Cosmic Consciousness, or the first stage of enlightenment, for the lurking reporters) but in Unity or Brahman Consciousness (the highest rungs of the TM consciousness ladder). He's claimed this many, many, many times. We *also* know that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, who Jimbo claims as his teacher, said many, many, many times that anyone who is truly in the state of Unity Consciousness or Brahman Consciousness can manifest all of the siddhis (mystical powers, such as invisibility and levitation - flying). Therefore, if Jimbo is telling the truth and really IS in Unity Consciousness or Brahman Consciousness, he can FLY. Presumably he spends much of his time entertaining his neighbors in the trailer park they live in by levitating for them. Jim also KNOWS pretty much everything, as he never delights in telling us. He goes to great lengths to point out that someone enlightened the way he is doesn't just believe things, he KNOWS them, because he's...uh...well...just that SPECIAL. As he also never stops telling us, people as enlightened as he is are very rare. He tells us quite often, in fact, that he's the ONLY fully enlightened being on this forum. But this is the part that puzzles me. If Jimbo is all that special and powerful, able to FLY and all that, *WHY* does he spend so much of his time obsessing on a lowlife like myself? Could it possibly be that I'm not just yer ordinary lowlife but...S A T A N ? That's the only thing I can think of that would warrant the amount of time Jim spends obsessing about me, and how upset he seems to get any time anyone says anything positive about me. He's not really just stalking and harassing someone he doesn't like...by stalking me he's waging war against evil protecting FFL and the world against S A T A N. Yeah...that's the ticket. It all finally makes sense now, doesn't it? :-) Signed,
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It's not readable anymore. Whatever you've written below, it's simply not readable anymore, Barry. Even the reporters aren't interested, I can assure you. If asked, they might say, sure Barry, you tell em, but they've tired of it themselves. What might have been clever at one time, as devolved into just boring ass shit as you might call it. What to tell you? Maybe cycle back to the Crumbs, at this point. I don't know. You tell me. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:21 PM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Thank you very much for this program! San Francisco is an amazing city and everything helps keep it that way. Please do not be overly concerned by some self-centered people here, just out to tear down TM, more in keeping with their unsuccessful lives. LOL, look at the rest of your posts tonight, it utterly kills me that you think a casual observer will look at your Bawee obsession as the product of a healthy mind and one that's been doing TM for decades, and not only that has attained some sort of spiritual goal! You bring up a good point, Salyavin. WHY would someone obsess the way Jimbo (fleetwood_macncheese) does about little ol' ME? I mean, he seemingly can't make it through a single day without writing some made-up tirade about me. Now if he were just a normal, everyday person, that could be construed as normal, everyday obsession, like Ann's or Judy's or Steve's. But Jim (as he never seems to tire of telling everyone) is ENLIGHTENED. Think about the *implications* of someone enlightened spending much of his online time obsessing on someone like me as Jim spends. We all know, for example, that Jimbo has claimed not just to be in CC (Cosmic Consciousness, or the first stage of enlightenment, for the lurking reporters) but in Unity or Brahman Consciousness (the highest rungs of the TM consciousness ladder). He's claimed this many, many, many times. We *also* know that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, who Jimbo claims as his teacher, said many, many, many times that anyone who is truly in the state of Unity Consciousness or Brahman Consciousness can manifest all of the siddhis (mystical powers, such as invisibility and levitation - flying). Therefore, if Jimbo is telling the truth and really IS in Unity Consciousness or Brahman Consciousness, he can FLY. Presumably he spends much of his time entertaining his neighbors in the trailer park they live in by levitating for them. Jim also KNOWS pretty much everything, as he never delights in telling us. He goes to great lengths to point out that someone enlightened the way he is doesn't just believe things, he KNOWS them, because he's...uh...well...just that SPECIAL. As he also never stops telling us, people as enlightened as he is are very rare. He tells us quite often, in fact, that he's the ONLY fully enlightened being on this forum. But this is the part that puzzles me. If Jimbo is all that special and powerful, able to FLY and all that, *WHY* does he spend so much of his time obsessing on a lowlife like myself? Could it possibly be that I'm not just yer ordinary lowlife but...S A T A N ? That's the only thing I can think of that would warrant the amount of time Jim spends obsessing about me, and how upset he seems to get any time anyone says anything positive about me. He's not really just stalking and harassing someone he doesn't like...by stalking me he's waging war against evil protecting FFL and the world against S A T A N. Yeah...that's the ticket. It all finally makes sense now, doesn't it? :-) Signed,
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:21 PM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Thank you very much for this program! San Francisco is an amazing city and everything helps keep it that way. Please do not be overly concerned by some self-centered people here, just out to tear down TM, more in keeping with their unsuccessful lives. LOL, look at the rest of your posts tonight, it utterly kills me that you think a casual observer will look at your Bawee obsession as the product of a healthy mind and one that's been doing TM for decades, and not only that has attained some sort of spiritual goal! You bring up a good point, Salyavin. WHY would someone obsess the way Jimbo (fleetwood_macncheese) does about little ol' ME? I mean, he seemingly can't make it through a single day without writing some made-up tirade about me. Now if he were just a normal, everyday person, that could be construed as normal, everyday obsession, like Ann's or Judy's or Steve's. But Jim (as he never seems to tire of telling everyone) is ENLIGHTENED. Think about the *implications* of someone enlightened spending much of his online time obsessing on someone like me as Jim spends. We all know, for example, that Jimbo has claimed not just to be in CC (Cosmic Consciousness, or the first stage of enlightenment, for the lurking reporters) but in Unity or Brahman Consciousness (the highest rungs of the TM consciousness ladder). He's claimed this many, many, many times. We *also* know that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, who Jimbo claims as his teacher, said many, many, many times that anyone who is truly in the state of Unity Consciousness or Brahman Consciousness can manifest all of the siddhis (mystical powers, such as invisibility and levitation - flying). Therefore, if Jimbo is telling the truth and really IS in Unity Consciousness or Brahman Consciousness, he can FLY. Presumably he spends much of his time entertaining his neighbors in the trailer park they live in by levitating for them. Jim also KNOWS pretty much everything, as he never delights in telling us. He goes to great lengths to point out that someone enlightened the way he is doesn't just believe things, he KNOWS them, because he's...uh...well...just that SPECIAL. As he also never stops telling us, people as enlightened as he is are very rare. He tells us quite often, in fact, that he's the ONLY fully enlightened being on this forum. But this is the part that puzzles me. If Jimbo is all that special and powerful, able to FLY and all that, *WHY* does he spend so much of his time obsessing on a lowlife like myself? Could it possibly be that I'm not just yer ordinary lowlife but...S A T A N ? That's the only thing I can think of that would warrant the amount of time Jim spends obsessing about me, and how upset he seems to get any time anyone says anything positive about me. He's not really just stalking and harassing someone he doesn't like...by stalking me he's waging war against evil protecting FFL and the world against S A T A N. Yeah...that's the ticket. It all finally makes sense now, doesn't it? :-) Signed, Dear bawee, as much as you'd like to think you are a bad boy, even bordering on some sort of upsetting evil influence you are not one of the big boys. Leave the really bad stuff to those who are really bad. As I mentioned the other day, evil is interesting so that, unfortunately, excludes you.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : It's not readable anymore. Whatever you've written below, it's simply not readable anymore, Barry. Even the reporters aren't interested, I can assure you. If asked, they might say, sure Barry, you tell em, but they've tired of it themselves. What might have been clever at one time, as devolved into just boring ass shit as you might call it. What to tell you? Maybe cycle back to the Crumbs, at this point. I don't know. You tell me. (-: I know, right? I see the blue text and I think, OK, maybe today bawee's got something to say. So, with the tiniest spark of hope, I start to read but, nope, nothin' new here. So I skim very quickly past the same old, same old only to arrive, once more disappointed, at the end of another paint by number post. When bawee says he can type with his eyes closed (who can't?) I also realize he types with his mind closed. Kinda of a cute graphic at the end though.
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One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding by the NIH - to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get funding by the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it. Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them nearly as stupid as funding research on TM. The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk. Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” Price tag? $423,500, according to NIH records. The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in Vietnam. The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact of a “genital-washing program” on men in South Africa. I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog all the time, so it could be you are lying as is our tradition but for your own sake, at least make the prevarications somewhat credible. From: infor cwae infoc...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high schools we worked in. This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time program. We own them. 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left. A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training staff left the school. 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year. One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or misunderstandings. 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply flawed There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published.
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Research on Meditation: Oh, how I love the title! http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/2013/03/08/research-has-not-shown-that-meditation-beats-a-placebo/ Research on TM and Other Forms of Meditation Stinks | C... In response to my last post, which proposed that Transcendental Meditation and other cults might be exploiting the placebo effect, some readers cited studies suppos... View on blogs.scientificamerica... Preview by Yahoo From: infor cwae infoc...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high schools we worked in. This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time program. We own them. 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left. A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training staff left the school. 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year. One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or misunderstandings. 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply flawed There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published.
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Even better, cuz its got pictures: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/2013/03/04/do-all-cults-like-all-psychotherapies-exploit-the-placebo-effect/ Do All Cults, Like All Psychotherapies, Exploit the Plac... I'm a child of the Sixties, so I've known lots of people over the years who've joined cults. One of the most popular was Transcendental Meditation, ... View on blogs.scientificamerica... Preview by Yahoo From: infor cwae infoc...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high schools we worked in. This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time program. We own them. 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left. A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training staff left the school. 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year. One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or misunderstandings. 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply flawed There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published.
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Michael, Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the TMSP? You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think. Try something. I don't know what. But try to develop an interest other than TM. You are sinking into utter idiocy. P.S. Try looking back at some of your more early posts. Occasionally you had something interesting to say. A funny thing happened on the way to forum. But in your case, it's just no so funny! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding by the NIH - to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get funding by the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it. Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them nearly as stupid as funding research on TM. The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk. Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” Price tag? $423,500, according to NIH records. The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in Vietnam. The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact of a “genital-washing program” on men in South Africa. I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog all the time, so it could be you are lying as is our tradition but for your own sake, at least make the prevarications somewhat credible. From: infor cwae infocwae@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high schools we worked in. This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time program. We own them. 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left. A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training staff left the school. 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year. One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or misunderstandings. 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply flawed There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published.
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I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high schools we worked in. This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time program. We own them. 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left. A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training staff left the school. 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year. One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or misunderstandings. 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply flawed There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published.
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Hello ! First I would like to congratulate you for you success in bringing meditation meditation to schools in San Francisco, effects of which are just beginning to be seen. While appreciating your thorough response you should be aware that many posters here deliberately post negativity to try to damage the global initiatives to raise collective consciousness. They are not to be taken seriously and do not deserve a response. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, infocwae@... wrote : I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high schools we worked in. This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time program. We own them. 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left. A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training staff left the school. 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year. One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or misunderstandings. 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply flawed There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published.
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Thank you very much for this program! San Francisco is an amazing city and everything helps keep it that way. Please do not be overly concerned by some self-centered people here, just out to tear down TM, more in keeping with their unsuccessful lives. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, infocwae@... wrote : I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high schools we worked in. This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time program. We own them. 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left. A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training staff left the school. 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year. One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or misunderstandings. 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply flawed There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Thank you very much for this program! San Francisco is an amazing city and everything helps keep it that way. Please do not be overly concerned by some self-centered people here, just out to tear down TM, more in keeping with their unsuccessful lives. LOL, look at the rest of your posts tonight, it utterly kills me that you think a casual observer will look at your Bawee obsession as the product of a healthy mind and one that's been doing TM for decades, and not only that has attained some sort of spiritual goal! This poor guy will cancel his TM project if he reads too much of the deluded bilge that gets posted here by the enlightened LOL, this place is the worst advert for TM! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, infocwae@... wrote : I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high schools we worked in. This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time program. We own them. 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left. A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training staff left the school. 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year. One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or misunderstandings. 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply flawed There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Thank you very much for this program! San Francisco is an amazing city and everything helps keep it that way. Please do not be overly concerned by some self-centered people here, just out to tear down TM, more in keeping with their unsuccessful lives. LOL, look at the rest of your posts tonight, it utterly kills me that you think a casual observer will look at your Bawee obsession as the product of a healthy mind and one that's been doing TM for decades, and not only that has attained some sort of spiritual goal! This poor guy will cancel his TM project if he reads too much of the deluded bilge that gets posted here by the enlightened LOL, this place is the worst advert for TM! Sal, for a guy who seems to have a sense of humour, a brain in his head and has the fortune to be British on top of it all you seem to miss one small but important fact: how bawee acts and the things that he writes gives away all anyone needs to know about the guy. Our director of operations who just posted would have no delusions about bawee's character or his MO. I'm also sure he doesn't give a shit anyway nor would this person be interested in judging Mac one way or another since Mac's responses to bawee are simply any normal person's response to someone as judgmental and obnoxious as bawee is. Capiche? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, infocwae@... wrote : I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high schools we worked in. This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time program. We own them. 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left. A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training staff left the school. 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year. One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or misunderstandings. 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply flawed There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published.
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you may be correct about the couches, but I know you were ousted from both schools because of parental objections - I know the lady who spearheaded the movement against you. You are continuing the lies the Movement has perpetrated for decades. Come to South Carolina and see how far you get. I'll be waiting in the door of every school you attempt to get a foothold in. The Movement wants to create more revenue for itself and you are deluded if you think its anything else. Maharishi was a fraud and con artist - try bringing his TM cons here to SC and let's see how it falls out. From: infor cwae infoc...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high schools we worked in. This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time program. We own them. 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left. A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training staff left the school. 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year. One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or misunderstandings. 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply flawed There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published.
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TM tears itself down - like Barry once said here, if TM was all its cracked up to be, they wouldn't have to lie to sell it. This goon you are praising didn't even have the balls to give his own name. From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 4:53 PM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Thank you very much for this program! San Francisco is an amazing city and everything helps keep it that way. Please do not be overly concerned by some self-centered people here, just out to tear down TM, more in keeping with their unsuccessful lives. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, infocwae@... wrote : I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high schools we worked in. This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time program. We own them. 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left. A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training staff left the school. 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year. One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or misunderstandings. 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply flawed There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published.
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Huh. It's not like he tried to hide it, either cwae.org is not hard to find: Executive Team | Center for Wellness and Achievement in Education http://cwae.org/executive_team.php Executive Team | Center for Wellness and Achievement in Education http://cwae.org/executive_team.php Your description View on cwae.org http://cwae.org/executive_team.php Preview by Yahoo Jeff Rice, Director of Operations Mr. Rice has been a business leader and consultant for more than 20 years, specializing in organizational development. He brings his knowledge of successful start-up models in the high tech industry to our developing organization. Mr. Rice also served as a volunteer on several previous initiatives to reduce violence and improve academic performance in Northern California schools through the use of meditation-based stress management. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : TM tears itself down - like Barry once said here, if TM was all its cracked up to be, they wouldn't have to lie to sell it. This goon you are praising didn't even have the balls to give his own name. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 4:53 PM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Thank you very much for this program! San Francisco is an amazing city and everything helps keep it that way. Please do not be overly concerned by some self-centered people here, just out to tear down TM, more in keeping with their unsuccessful lives. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, infocwae@... wrote : I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high schools we worked in. This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time program. We own them. 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left. A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training staff left the school. 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year. One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or misunderstandings. 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply flawed There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published.
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you are a hoot Michael. a hoot. you and Barry are really on your muscle today, as my mother in law used to say. hey, at least there is something that motivates you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you may be correct about the couches, but I know you were ousted from both schools because of parental objections - I know the lady who spearheaded the movement against you. You are continuing the lies the Movement has perpetrated for decades. Come to South Carolina and see how far you get. I'll be waiting in the door of every school you attempt to get a foothold in. The Movement wants to create more revenue for itself and you are deluded if you think its anything else. Maharishi was a fraud and con artist - try bringing his TM cons here to SC and let's see how it falls out. From: infor cwae infocwae@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high schools we worked in. This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time program. We own them. 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left. A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training staff left the school. 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year. One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or misunderstandings. 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply flawed There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published.
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Your bitterness, and spiritual myopia is showing Sal. You've got to understand, that no matter how much you insist, that people will see things differently than you do. A tough lesson, but you will be happier once you realize it. Good luck. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Thank you very much for this program! San Francisco is an amazing city and everything helps keep it that way. Please do not be overly concerned by some self-centered people here, just out to tear down TM, more in keeping with their unsuccessful lives. LOL, look at the rest of your posts tonight, it utterly kills me that you think a casual observer will look at your Bawee obsession as the product of a healthy mind and one that's been doing TM for decades, and not only that has attained some sort of spiritual goal! This poor guy will cancel his TM project if he reads too much of the deluded bilge that gets posted here by the enlightened LOL, this place is the worst advert for TM! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, infocwae@... wrote : I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high schools we worked in. This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time program. We own them. 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left. A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training staff left the school. 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year. One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or misunderstandings. 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply flawed There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published.
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people will see things differently than you do. Only the TM-mind numbed idiots will. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 9:10 PM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Your bitterness, and spiritual myopia is showing Sal. You've got to understand, that no matter how much you insist, that people will see things differently than you do. A tough lesson, but you will be happier once you realize it. Good luck. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Thank you very much for this program! San Francisco is an amazing city and everything helps keep it that way. Please do not be overly concerned by some self-centered people here, just out to tear down TM, more in keeping with their unsuccessful lives. LOL, look at the rest of your posts tonight, it utterly kills me that you think a casual observer will look at your Bawee obsession as the product of a healthy mind and one that's been doing TM for decades, and not only that has attained some sort of spiritual goal! This poor guy will cancel his TM project if he reads too much of the deluded bilge that gets posted here by the enlightened LOL, this place is the worst advert for TM! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, infocwae@... wrote : I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high schools we worked in. This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time program. We own them. 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left. A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training staff left the school. 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year. One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or misunderstandings. 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply flawed There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, infocwae@... wrote : I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high schools we worked in. This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time program. We own them. 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left. A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training staff left the school. 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year. One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or misunderstandings. 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply flawed There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. Sounds plausible and rational to me.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : TM tears itself down - like Barry once said here, if TM was all its cracked up to be, they wouldn't have to lie to sell it. This goon you are praising didn't even have the balls to give his own name. I daresay you could find that out without more than two googles. Want me to do it for you? From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 4:53 PM Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco Thank you very much for this program! San Francisco is an amazing city and everything helps keep it that way. Please do not be overly concerned by some self-centered people here, just out to tear down TM, more in keeping with their unsuccessful lives. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, infocwae@... wrote : I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high schools we worked in. This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time program. We own them. 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left. A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training staff left the school. 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year. One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or misunderstandings. 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is either bogus or deeply flawed There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Huh. It's not like he tried to hide it, either cwae.org is not hard to find: Executive Team | Center for Wellness and Achievement in Education http://cwae.org/executive_team.php Executive Team | Center for Wellness and Achievement in Education http://cwae.org/executive_team.php Your description View on cwae.org http://cwae.org/executive_team.php Preview by Yahoo Jeff Rice, Director of Operations Mr. Rice has been a business leader and consultant for more than 20 years, specializing in organizational development. He brings his knowledge of successful start-up models in the high tech industry to our developing organization. Mr. Rice also served as a volunteer on several previous initiatives to reduce violence and improve academic performance in Northern California schools through the use of meditation-based stress management. See MJ, Sparaig did it real fast.
