> >
> > Failure for who ? For those that didn't get the hang of it
> > obviously. For those that never took it seriously, ofcourse. For
> > those that for some personal reasons never made it work, or
those
> > that where just kidding around even having conversations during
> > flying ? Yes.
> >>
> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >
> >
> It is a marketing term based on the name of the sutra.
>
> >>>
> >>> Do the Yoga Sutras actually call it flying? Because if that's
the
> >>> case, Dave should complain about Patanjali,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> What is YMMV.??
Y.our M.ilage M.ay V.ary
>
> sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:38:39 -0000
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Flying vs. Hopp
What is YMMV.??sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:38:39 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Flying vs. Hopping - Huh. I rather like it. YMMV.
How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > The flying program was not wonderful. A total failure.
> Yog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > 200 years in the future, if a histrorian conducts a post-
> > > mortem on the TM-movement,
> > > his conclusion will be, "Yogic-flying destroyed
> > > TM - movement."
>
> 200 years from now no one will know anything about MMY
> or the TMO. Gone, poof!
20 years from now, this will be true f
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock
> > wrote:
> > >
TM is a technique, a good technique. Whether people
will be practicing TM 200 years from now, who knows. I
doubt it though.
--- coshlnx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- (below - 200 years from now TMO and MMY gone,
> poof). I agree, but
> what's your opinion on TM. Will people be
> practicing i
--- (below - 200 years from now TMO and MMY gone, poof). I agree, but
what's your opinion on TM. Will people be practicing it 200 years
from now, in the same form? Thanks.
>
>
>
> --- hyperbolicgeometry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock
> > wrote:
> > > >
--- hyperbolicgeometry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"
> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason
> Spock
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > The flying program was not wonderful. A total failure.
> Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock
wrote:
> >
> >
> > The flying program was not wonderful. A total failure.
Yogic-flying is the biggest
> mistake Maharishi ever made in his life.
> >
> >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> The flying program was not wonderful. A total failure. Yogic-flying
> is the biggest
mistake Maharishi ever made in his life.
>
> 200 years in the future, if a histrorian conducts a post-mortem
ement." ShempMcGurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:00:02 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Flying vs. Hopping Next to TM, my experience is that
the "flying" technique was the best thing since apple pie.Having said that, I wonder what they trade off has been?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Jul 20, 2006, at 12:51 AM, sparaig wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 19, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
> wrote:
> > >
> [snip]
> > > It's been 22 years since I took the Sidhis course, but I have zero
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
> wrote:
> > >
> [snip]
> > > It's been 22 years since I took the Sidhis course, but I have
zer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
wrote:
> >
[snip]
> > It's been 22 years since I took the Sidhis course, but I have zero
> > recollection of being promised that I'd fly. It was thoroughly
> > explai
On Jul 20, 2006, at 10:42 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jul 20, 2006, at 12:51 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:On Jul 19, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Jul 20, 2006, at 12:51 AM, sparaig wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 19, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > >
On Jul 20, 2006, at 12:51 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jul 19, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: It is a marketing term based on the name of the sutra. Do the Yoga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, the marketing changed after 1977 when the first citizen
sidha
> > >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, the marketing changed after 1977 when the first citizen sidha
> > course lawsuits after the first flying block. It was a technical
> > cha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, the marketing changed after 1977 when the first citizen sidha
> > course lawsuits after the first flying block. It was a technical
> > cha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote:
> >
> > Yet, no one has flown. No one is flying.
> >
> > This problem could have been avoided by simply not calling
> > it "flying" or making the claims for "fly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yes, the marketing changed after 1977 when the first citizen sidha
> course lawsuits after the first flying block. It was a technical
> change written by movement lawyers. MMY continued to promise flying
> in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Want to see the ads they used?
>
> http://www.lwmgserver.com/tm-ads/
Well done.
I just can't wait to hear how the apologists deal
with this.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Yes, the marketing changed after 1977 when the first citizen sidha
> course lawsuits after the first flying block. It was a technical
> change written by movement lawyers. MMY continued to promise flying
> in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Want to see the ads they used?
>
> http://www.lwmgserver.com/tm-ads/
Those are great. Bet you could sell them on ebay. BTW, they're from when, 1976
or
thereabouts?
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex St
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Jul 19, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
> > wrote:
> >>>
> >> It is a marketing term based on the name of the sutra.
> >
> > Do the Yoga Sutras actuall
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote:
> > >
> > > As I said in another post, my complaint is not with Patanjali or his
> > > writing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Jul 19, 2006, at 7:47 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >>
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote:
> >>>
> >>> As I said in another post, my com
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You're almost right.
>
> I'm not, as you point out, complaining about people who characterize
> their activities as "flying," even if they're not.
>
> I'm merely attempting to hold the TMO accountable for their dubious
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Yogic Flying," used everyday by the TMO. Could that mean, oh, I
> don't know flying?
Or the technique found in the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali called "flying?"
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote:
> >
> > As I said in another post, my complaint is not with Patanjali or his
> > writings.
> >
> > My complaint is with the TMO. They used, and continue to use, t
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Whether or not Patanjali used the term "flying" is not the point. The
> TMO did and does.
>
> Nobody's flying.
>
> My complaint is not with Patanjail's writings. It's with the TMO's
> claims.
LOL, so the TMO should tea
Yes, the marketing changed after 1977 when the first citizen sidha
course lawsuits after the first flying block. It was a technical
change written by movement lawyers. MMY continued to promise flying
in the air with the flying sutra with specific timetables for all the
years I was involved. But
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave"
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So, let me get this straight:
> > > >
> > > > The TMO continues to liberally use terms like "yogic
> > > flying," "group
> > > > flying," "flying together," etc. MMY, Bevan, Hagelin, and the
> > rich
> > > > guys in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> What is that http://www.lwmgserver.com/ thingy?
> What do they do? Does it cost money?
That appears to be Bikemaster Dave's business:
http://www.overlandtouring.com/aboutdave.php
Ya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Jul 19, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
> > wrote:
> >>>
> >> It is a marketing term based on the name of the sutra.
> >
> > Do the Yoga Sutras actual
Yea, those posters are far out.
I was not expecting any of that when I took the Sidhis, it was
always that the hopping is to develop consciousness.
What is that http://www.lwmgserver.com/ thingy?
What do they do? Does it cost money?
OffWorld
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <[EMAIL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Want to see the ads they used?
Right. And the dates on the ads are...?
They certainly were no longer being used by the time
I took the TM-Sidhis course, around the same time Alex
did (we may have been on the same course)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Want to see the ads they used?
>
> http://www.lwmgserver.com/tm-ads/
Those must be very early ads because by the time I took the Sidhis
program, the invisibility sutra was no longer given, and there was no
promotion of a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote:
> > >
> > > As I said in another post, my complaint is not with Patanjali
or his
> > > writi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Everybody doesn't know that.
Yeah, I think pretty much everybody who knows there is
such a thing as Yogic Flying knows it's just hopping.
And even if they don't, they surely will well before
they get to the point of plunk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Yogic Flying," used everyday by the TMO. Could that mean, oh, I
> don't know flying?
It could, but as you and everybody else knows,
because the TMO makes it very clear, it doesn't.
You really haven't got a beef her
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You're almost right.
>
> I'm not, as you point out, complaining about people who
characterize
> their activities as "flying," even if they're not.
>
> I'm merely attempting to hold the TMO accountable for their dubious
On Jul 19, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is a marketing term based on the name of the sutra. Do the Yoga Sutras actually call it flying? Because if that's the case, Dave should complain about Patanjali, n
On Jul 19, 2006, at 7:47 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: As I said in another post, my complaint is not with Patanjali or his writings. My complaint is with the TMO. They
Want to see the ads they used?
http://www.lwmgserver.com/tm-ads/
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote:
> > >
> > > As I said in a
No doubt, this very second, the TMO is reading your posts to FFL and
responding with an entirely new set of guidelines for how the TM-
Sidhis program is promoted.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You're almost right.
>
> I'm not, as you point out, comp
You're almost right.
I'm not, as you point out, complaining about people who characterize
their activities as "flying," even if they're not.
I'm merely attempting to hold the TMO accountable for their dubious
claims about their ability to teach people to "fly."
We hold companies accountable in
It is called "yogic flying", ( not "flying" ) meaning hopping as the
first stage, and then theoretically more, which is how it is defined
in the Vedic texts.
OffWorld
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Yogic Flying," used everyday by the TMO. Could that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote:
> >
> > As I said in another post, my complaint is not with Patanjali or his
> > writings.
> >
> > My complaint is with the TMO. They used, and continue to use, t
Reason reveals in your words here that what you are ACTUALLY saying
here is that you are not complaining about people who use the
term "flying" in regard to the sutra (eg. Patanjali), but you are
telling us that you want to complain about the TMO.any excuse
will do eh?
OffWorld
--- In Fa
"Yogic Flying," used everyday by the TMO. Could that mean, oh, I
don't know flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote:
> >
> > As I said in another post, my complaint is not with Patanjali or
Everybody doesn't know that.
"Yogic Flying" That's the term the TMO uses. Sounds like flying to me.
Sounds like a claim of flying as well.
What difference does it make? The truth. That's the difference.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In Fai
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> As I said in another post, my complaint is not with Patanjali or his
> writings.
>
> My complaint is with the TMO. They used, and continue to use, the
> term "flying." Nobody's flying. They made a claim, continue to make
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Whether or not Patanjali used the term "flying" is not the point.
> The TMO did and does.
>
> Nobody's flying.
>
> My complaint is not with Patanjail's writings. It's with the TMO's
> claims.
The TMO doesn't claim anybo
As I said in another post, my complaint is not with Patanjali or his
writings.
My complaint is with the TMO. They used, and continue to use, the
term "flying." Nobody's flying. They made a claim, continue to make
it, took people's money, continue to take it, on deception. That's
my only point.
Whether or not Patanjali used the term "flying" is not the point. The
TMO did and does.
Nobody's flying.
My complaint is not with Patanjail's writings. It's with the TMO's
claims.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote:
> > > >
> > > It is a marketing term based on the name of the sutra.
> >
> > Do the Y
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<>
You 'kinda' would be wrong. Start your complaint with Patanjali.
OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Not my last name.
>
> It all comes down to honesty. They promised:
>
> - Levitation
> - Flying
> - Invisibility
> - Strength of an Elephant
> - Master of Nature
>>.
No worries, maybe it is 3 lifetimes. You'll get there.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Plus, *we* all believed that we were going to
> fly. C'mon now, guys...'fess up. :-)>>>
I didn't. I thought it would be a powerful spiritual technique. And it
was. However, later, during "flying" I often felt that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yet, no one has flown. No one is flying.
>
> This problem could have been avoided by simply not calling
> it "flying" or making the claims for "flying.>>.
I agree that flying is a poor term for what it looks like.
But i
<>>
You didn't experience it during the TM-siddhis?
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Not my last name.
It all comes down to honesty. They promised:
- Levitation
- Flying
- Invisibility
- Strength of an Elephant
- Master of Nature
... among other things. I'm quoting from the advertising purchased
by the movement. None of it was true, then or now. Yet thousands of
dollars in cou
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
wrote:
> >
> > > I can certainly identify with what you say here.
> > > But I have no regrets, no mo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote:
> > >
> > It is a marketing term based on the name of the sutra.
>
> Do the Yoga Sutras actually call it flying? Because if that's the
> case, Dave shou
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote:
> >
> > Yet, no one has flown. No one is flying.
> >
> > This problem could have been avoided by simply not calling
> > it "flying" or making the claims for "flyi
I kinda don't think Patanjali used the term "flying." But the TMO
minions use it all the time. Just dial up the Maharishi Channel
listen to Bevan and The Boys talk about "yogic flying."
I know, I know, to the TB's, "flying" means hopping or bouncing or
whatever goes on, but to the rest of us, "
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote:
> > >
> > > So, let me get this straight:
> > >
> > > The TMO continues to liberally use t
The TM movement was a good ride for me for many
> years. I regret none of those years. And then it
> was a rough ride for me for many years, as I tried
> to deal with the cognitive dissonance of realizing
> that not only didn't deliver on its promises, it
> had some pretty scary ways of not delive
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> So, let me get this straight:
>
> The TMO continues to liberally use terms like "yogic flying," "group
> flying," "flying together," etc. MMY, Bevan, Hagelin, and the rich
> guys in the funny gold crowns utter those term
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:
>
> > I can certainly identify with what you say here.
> > But I have no regrets, no more than I have about
> > staying in a love affair past its expiration da
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:
>
> > I'm in a weird category here on this forum.
> > I've seen what appeared to be real levitation,
> > possibly a hundred times over fourteen years.
> > So I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can certainly identify with what you say here.
> But I have no regrets, no more than I have about
> staying in a love affair past its expiration date.
>
> I use that analogy purposefully. We were in a
> love affair
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I can point no fingers here because my group was directly told by
> MMY
> that three years of sidhaland would perfect our sidhis. It was part
> of his hook to get our slave labor. We rounded our asses off,
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm in a weird category here on this forum.
> I've seen what appeared to be real levitation,
> possibly a hundred times over fourteen years.
> So I'm convinced it can be done, well enough
> that hundreds of people at a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yet, no one has flown. No one is flying.
>
> This problem could have been avoided by simply not calling
> it "flying" or making the claims for "flying."
>
> I have the original print ads used by the TMO when they rolled
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> It is a marketing term based on the name of the sutra.
Do the Yoga Sutras actually call it flying? Because if that's the
case, Dave should complain about Patanjali, not the TMO.
Ya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Yet, no one has flown. No one is flying.
>
> This problem could have been avoided by simply not calling
> it "flying" or making the claims for "flying."
>
> I have the original print ads used by the TMO when they rolled
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yet, no one has flown. No one is flying.
>
> This problem could have been avoided by simply not calling
> it "flying" or making the claims for "flying."
>
> I have the original print ads used by the TMO when they rolled
Yet, no one has flown. No one is flying.
This problem could have been avoided by simply not calling
it "flying" or making the claims for "flying."
I have the original print ads used by the TMO when they rolled this
program out. They were fraught with untruth, as the succeeding
decades have bor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote:
> >
> > So, let me get this straight:
> >
> > The TMO continues to liberally use terms like "yogic
> flying," "group
> > flying," "flying together," etc. MMY,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> It's a deceptive marketing term as no one has flown or is flying.
>
> Your personal experience is valid for you, but I, for one, am not
> buying it.
All marketing terms are to some degree deceptive.
Regarding your choic
It's a deceptive marketing term as no one has flown or is flying.
Your personal experience is valid for you, but I, for one, am not
buying it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote:
> >
> > So, let
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> So, let me get this straight:
>
> The TMO continues to liberally use terms like "yogic
flying," "group
> flying," "flying together," etc. MMY, Bevan, Hagelin, and the rich
> guys in the funny gold crowns utter those ter
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