Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
Culturally, when did the movement change? More case-studies.. accruing: In FFL 413626 Bhairitu writes: I wasn't kicked out either. [ ] As I've mentioned many times, I walked away disgusted that the TMO would charge $185 for what was essentially an intro lecture on ayurveda I could have given myself. That was in 1985. Edg writes: Never was kicked out of the movement, left it mindfully. From Maharishi's arrival in the West in the later 1950's TM as a developing organized movement in those times during the 1960's and 1970's was primary focused on teaching meditation to individuals also based then on the accruing scientific research on meditation up to the early 1970's. By the mid-1970's the TM organization transitioned over towards facilitating groups of individuals in to groups for communal practice of meditation as a form of direct-action for creating a better world. That change of theme then became a common core theme to many of Maharishi's activities from that time up until the end of his life in 2008. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : also a large format book entitled, Inauguration of the Dawn of the Age of Enlightenment (1975). These three volumes taken together give a good snapshot of the Transcendental Meditation movement at that time up to the mid-1970's. For context, this third book has the following quotes: “As a result of scientific research conducted during the past decade(s) on Transcendental Meditation, the practical aspect of the Science of Creative Intelligence, at more than two hundred universities and research institutes in different countries, including Germany, England, Canada, United States, Holland, India, South Africa, and Australia, involving the trends of life of about eleven hundred million people in the vicinity of eleven hundred World Plan centres in over eighty-nine countries on all continents, as endorsed and proclaimed by legislators, governors, mayors, educators, doctors, lawyers, businessmen, organizations, and individuals, and as a result of his successful world-wide activities, His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of the Science of Creative Intelligence, through the window of science, saw the coming dawn of the Age of Enlightenment and inaugurated it for the whole world in Switzerland on 12 January 1975” Text transcribed from the 1975 book: “. .Through the window of Science we see the Dawn of the Age of Enlightenment. Good time for the world is coming. Now, a few people in any country will be able to change the destiny of their nation for all good. One percent of the population will be sufficient to design the direction of time for all happiness, progress, and fulfillment everywhere. I see the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment. In this scientific age, it is no longer necessary for any nation to continue living with problems. This is the time of the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment. I am only giving expression to the phenomenon that is taking place. One percent of the people in any country can herald the dawn of a new age for the whole nation by devoting only fifteen minutes of their time twice a day. With such a little demand for such a great offer it is not conceivable that the world will go any longer in the footsteps of suffering. It is in the hands of a few individuals in every country today to change the direction of time and guide the destiny of their nation for all harmony, happiness, and progress. It is my joy to invite everyone to come in the light of the knowledge and experience that the Science of Creative Intelligence provides and enjoy participating in this global awakening to herald the Age of Enlightenment. -Maharishi 12 January 1975 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Memo: Accompanying this are two volumes, Celebrating the Dawn (1976) and Creating Ideal Society (1976) on Transcendental Meditation. These relate particularly to a transition in the activities of the larger TM movement that was taking place in the mid and late 1970's that are the precursor of themes in TM activism in the 1980's and beyond. From Maharishi's arrival in the West in the later 1950's TM as a developing organized movement in those times during the 1960's and 1970's was primary focused on teaching meditation to individuals also based then on the scientific research on meditation accruing up to the early 1970's. By the mid-1970's the TM organization transitioned over towards facilitating groups of individuals in to groups for communal practice of meditation as a form of direct-action for creating a better world. That change of theme then became a common core theme to many of Maharishi's activities from that time up until the end of his life in 2008. In gathering source publications I am seeing that the earlier 1970's were different from the late 1970's, the 1980's and to the present. The
Re: FUCK YOU -- YOU LYING FUCK, WILLY. Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
Jesus! Was this just one guy doing his thing, or do you think he had gotten the
idea from up the ladder in the TMO?
From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: FUCK YOU -- YOU LYING FUCK, WILLY. Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~
about TMO friendship ~~~
BTW, Bruce Beal, who was the Houston Center manager at one time, demanded
that I make a monthly contribution to the center from my Job at UPS. He kept me
from getting the Sidhis for years because I wouldn't supplement his income from
mine! Others gave contributions to build an PK clinic and were to receive PK
discounts. The clinic was never built and money never returned. They were
thieves as well. Oh shit, you got me started! Let it go and take it as it
comes, let it go and take it as it comes , let it go. LOL
From: rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: FUCK YOU -- YOU LYING FUCK, WILLY. Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~
about TMO friendship ~~~
It's a Potemkin village all the way down, Mike.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :
I've never been kicked out or disciplined by the TMO, I still get weekly
notifications of group Meds and seasonal celebrations from the local center.
However, because I find the *organization* so FUBAR, for my own peace of mind,
I choose to keep my distance from it, otherwise I would get kicked out. Quite
frankly, I find the TMO to be the antithesis of what it claims TM does for the
individual. It's not efficient, creative or compassionate. That is a façade.
I've found TM leaders to be spiritual bullies and power trippers. Oh Maharishi
wouldn't want that (I know because I'm in perfect tune with his thinking). I
find them lazy(oh Nature will organize that) and their fragile little egos get
offended easily if you offer constructive criticism or a better idea (oh,
you're just being negative). Don't rain on my parade attitude. I Like TM and
think of the results in longer terms and I love Maharishi, although I realized
he is just a man with human faults and not the God I once seemed to worship as.
As for the TMO, I find it to be an embarrassment. I think the straw that broke
the camel's back for me was telling me I had to give the TMO another $2,000.00
to keep teaching, assuming I wanted to. I will not be black-mailed.
From: richard@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: FUCK YOU -- YOU LYING FUCK, WILLY. Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~
about TMO friendship ~~~
It's starting to look like an informant went bat-shit crazy when I mentioned
getting kicked out of the TMO. This must be a sensitive issue. Go figure.
It might be a topic for discussion, but nobody seems to want to admit that they
got kicked out. Has anyone been kicked out of the TMO? If so, for what reason?
Just be honest. Thanks.
Questions:
What makes someone join a cult in the first place?
Why would anyone want to stay in a cult?
Why would anyone get kicked out of a cult?
Other topics for discussion:
How could anyone quit a cult and do it mindfully? Obviously anyone that stays
in an abusive cult for a decade or more has already had their brain washed
several times over, right?
How does someone in a cult get out of the trance-induction state? Should they
go see a cult-exit counselor? Some people feel better when they have someone to
talk to. I'm not convinced that dialoging on social media will help cure anyone
from cult-thinking.
Also, what about electric shock therapy? Where is Dr. Pete when we need him?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
FUCK YOU -- YOU LYING FUCK, WILLY.
Never was kicked out of the movement. Left it mindfully.
If I was in your state, I'd sue you for slander.
What an evil fucking twisted-ass creep you are.
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Re: FUCK YOU -- YOU LYING FUCK, WILLY. Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
Doesn't matter. he poisoned the well.
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: FUCK YOU -- YOU LYING FUCK, WILLY. Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~
about TMO friendship ~~~
Jesus! Was this just one guy doing his thing, or do you think he had gotten
the idea from up the ladder in the TMO?
From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: FUCK YOU -- YOU LYING FUCK, WILLY. Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~
about TMO friendship ~~~
BTW, Bruce Beal, who was the Houston Center manager at one time, demanded
that I make a monthly contribution to the center from my Job at UPS. He kept me
from getting the Sidhis for years because I wouldn't supplement his income from
mine! Others gave contributions to build an PK clinic and were to receive PK
discounts. The clinic was never built and money never returned. They were
thieves as well. Oh shit, you got me started! Let it go and take it as it
comes, let it go and take it as it comes , let it go. LOL
From: rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: FUCK YOU -- YOU LYING FUCK, WILLY. Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~
about TMO friendship ~~~
It's a Potemkin village all the way down, Mike.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :
I've never been kicked out or disciplined by the TMO, I still get weekly
notifications of group Meds and seasonal celebrations from the local center.
However, because I find the *organization* so FUBAR, for my own peace of mind,
I choose to keep my distance from it, otherwise I would get kicked out. Quite
frankly, I find the TMO to be the antithesis of what it claims TM does for the
individual. It's not efficient, creative or compassionate. That is a façade.
I've found TM leaders to be spiritual bullies and power trippers. Oh Maharishi
wouldn't want that (I know because I'm in perfect tune with his thinking). I
find them lazy(oh Nature will organize that) and their fragile little egos get
offended easily if you offer constructive criticism or a better idea (oh,
you're just being negative). Don't rain on my parade attitude. I Like TM and
think of the results in longer terms and I love Maharishi, although I realized
he is just a man with human faults and not the God I once seemed to worship as.
As for the TMO, I find it to be an embarrassment. I think the straw that broke
the camel's back for me was telling me I had to give the TMO another $2,000.00
to keep teaching, assuming I wanted to. I will not be black-mailed.
From: richard@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: FUCK YOU -- YOU LYING FUCK, WILLY. Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~
about TMO friendship ~~~
It's starting to look like an informant went bat-shit crazy when I mentioned
getting kicked out of the TMO. This must be a sensitive issue. Go figure.
It might be a topic for discussion, but nobody seems to want to admit that they
got kicked out. Has anyone been kicked out of the TMO? If so, for what reason?
Just be honest. Thanks.
Questions:
What makes someone join a cult in the first place?
Why would anyone want to stay in a cult?
Why would anyone get kicked out of a cult?
Other topics for discussion:
How could anyone quit a cult and do it mindfully? Obviously anyone that stays
in an abusive cult for a decade or more has already had their brain washed
several times over, right?
How does someone in a cult get out of the trance-induction state? Should they
go see a cult-exit counselor? Some people feel better when they have someone to
talk to. I'm not convinced that dialoging on social media will help cure anyone
from cult-thinking.
Also, what about electric shock therapy? Where is Dr. Pete when we need him?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
FUCK YOU -- YOU LYING FUCK, WILLY.
Never was kicked out of the movement. Left it mindfully.
If I was in your state, I'd sue you for slander.
What an evil fucking twisted-ass creep you are.
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Re: FUCK YOU -- YOU LYING FUCK, WILLY. Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
It's a Potemkin village all the way down, Mike. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : I've never been kicked out or disciplined by the TMO, I still get weekly notifications of group Meds and seasonal celebrations from the local center. However, because I find the *organization* so FUBAR, for my own peace of mind, I choose to keep my distance from it, otherwise I would get kicked out. Quite frankly, I find the TMO to be the antithesis of what it claims TM does for the individual. It's not efficient, creative or compassionate. That is a façade. I've found TM leaders to be spiritual bullies and power trippers. Oh Maharishi wouldn't want that (I know because I'm in perfect tune with his thinking). I find them lazy(oh Nature will organize that) and their fragile little egos get offended easily if you offer constructive criticism or a better idea (oh, you're just being negative). Don't rain on my parade attitude. I Like TM and think of the results in longer terms and I love Maharishi, although I realized he is just a man with human faults and not the God I once seemed to worship as. As for the TMO, I find it to be an embarrassment. I think the straw that broke the camel's back for me was telling me I had to give the TMO another $2,000.00 to keep teaching, assuming I wanted to. I will not be black-mailed. From: richard@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 9:49 AM Subject: Re: FUCK YOU -- YOU LYING FUCK, WILLY. Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~ about TMO friendship ~~~ It's starting to look like an informant went bat-shit crazy when I mentioned getting kicked out of the TMO. This must be a sensitive issue. Go figure. It might be a topic for discussion, but nobody seems to want to admit that they got kicked out. Has anyone been kicked out of the TMO? If so, for what reason? Just be honest. Thanks. Questions: What makes someone join a cult in the first place? Why would anyone want to stay in a cult? Why would anyone get kicked out of a cult? Other topics for discussion: How could anyone quit a cult and do it mindfully? Obviously anyone that stays in an abusive cult for a decade or more has already had their brain washed several times over, right? How does someone in a cult get out of the trance-induction state? Should they go see a cult-exit counselor? Some people feel better when they have someone to talk to. I'm not convinced that dialoging on social media will help cure anyone from cult-thinking. Also, what about electric shock therapy? Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : FUCK YOU -- YOU LYING FUCK, WILLY. Never was kicked out of the movement. Left it mindfully. If I was in your state, I'd sue you for slander. What an evil fucking twisted-ass creep you are.
Re: FUCK YOU -- YOU LYING FUCK, WILLY. Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
I was never re-certified. I hadn't taught since the mid seventies and had no
plans to resume teaching and I'd be damned if I was going to give them
$2,000.00 to maintain credentials I had no intentions of using, at least for
the time being. I looked at it as blackmail. Their services are no longer
needed by me as well.
From: rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: FUCK YOU -- YOU LYING FUCK, WILLY. Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~
about TMO friendship ~~~
It looks like you are no longer in good standing with the TMO, your name does
not appear on the re-certified list of TM Teachers. Your services are
apparently no longer needed. Go figure.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
I wasn't kicked out either. It's justanother wild Willytex delusion. As I've
mentioned many times, Iwalked away disgusted that the TMO would charge $185 for
what wasessentially an intro lecture on ayurveda I could have givenmyself.
That was in 1985.
On 04/15/2015 10:55 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@...[FairfieldLife] wrote:
I'venever been kicked out or disciplined by the TMO, I stillget weekly
notifications of group Meds and seasonalcelebrations from the local center.
However, because Ifind the *organization* so FUBAR, for my own peace ofmind, I
choose to keep my distance from it, otherwise Iwould get kicked out. Quite
frankly, I find the TMO tobe the antithesis of what it claims TM does for
theindividual. It's not efficient, creative orcompassionate. That is a façade.
I've found TM leadersto be spiritual bullies and power trippers. OhMaharishi
wouldn't want that (I know because I'm inperfect tune with his thinking). I
find them lazy(ohNature will organize that) and their fragile little egosget
offended easily if you offer constructive criticismor a better idea (oh, you're
just being negative). Don'train on my parade attitude. I Like TM and think of
theresults in longer terms and I love Maharishi, although Irealized he is just
a man with human faults and not theGod I once seemed to worship as. As for the
TMO, I findit to be an embarrassment. I think the straw that brokethe camel's
back for me was telling me I had to give theTMO another $2,000.00 to keep
teaching, assuming Iwanted to. I will not be black-mailed.
From:richard@... [FairfieldLife]FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Wednesday, April 15, 2015 9:49 AM
Subject:Re: FUCK YOU -- YOU LYING FUCK, WILLY. Re:[FairfieldLife] ~~
about TMO friendship~~~
It'sstarting to look like an informantwent bat-shit crazy when Imentioned
getting kicked out ofthe TMO. This must be a sensitiveissue. Gofigure.
Itmight be a topic for discussion,but nobody seems to want to admitthat they
got kicked out. Has anyone beenkicked out of the TMO? Ifso, for what reason?
Just behonest. Thanks.
Questions:
What makes someone join a cult inthe first place?
Why would anyone want to stay in acult?
Why would anyone get kicked out ofa cult?
Other topics for discussion:
How could anyone quit a cult anddo it mindfully? Obviouslyanyone that stays
in an abusivecult for a decade or more hasalready had their brain washedseveral
times over, right?
How does someone in a cult get outof the trance-induction state?Should they go
see a cult-exitcounselor? Some people feelbetter when they havesomeone to talk
to. I'mnot convinced that dialoging onsocial media will help cure anyonefrom
cult-thinking.
Also, what about electric shocktherapy? Where is Dr. Pete when weneed him?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
FUCKYOU -- YOU LYING FUCK, WILLY.
Never was kicked out of themovement. Left it mindfully.
If I was in your state, I'd sue youfor slander.
What an evil fucking twisted-asscreep you are.
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Re: FUCK YOU -- YOU LYING FUCK, WILLY. Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
BTW, Bruce Beal, who was the Houston Center manager at one time, demanded that
I make a monthly contribution to the center from my Job at UPS. He kept me from
getting the Sidhis for years because I wouldn't supplement his income from
mine! Others gave contributions to build an PK clinic and were to receive PK
discounts. The clinic was never built and money never returned. They were
thieves as well. Oh shit, you got me started! Let it go and take it as it
comes, let it go and take it as it comes , let it go. LOL
From: rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: FUCK YOU -- YOU LYING FUCK, WILLY. Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~
about TMO friendship ~~~
It's a Potemkin village all the way down, Mike.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :
I've never been kicked out or disciplined by the TMO, I still get weekly
notifications of group Meds and seasonal celebrations from the local center.
However, because I find the *organization* so FUBAR, for my own peace of mind,
I choose to keep my distance from it, otherwise I would get kicked out. Quite
frankly, I find the TMO to be the antithesis of what it claims TM does for the
individual. It's not efficient, creative or compassionate. That is a façade.
I've found TM leaders to be spiritual bullies and power trippers. Oh Maharishi
wouldn't want that (I know because I'm in perfect tune with his thinking). I
find them lazy(oh Nature will organize that) and their fragile little egos get
offended easily if you offer constructive criticism or a better idea (oh,
you're just being negative). Don't rain on my parade attitude. I Like TM and
think of the results in longer terms and I love Maharishi, although I realized
he is just a man with human faults and not the God I once seemed to worship as.
As for the TMO, I find it to be an embarrassment. I think the straw that broke
the camel's back for me was telling me I had to give the TMO another $2,000.00
to keep teaching, assuming I wanted to. I will not be black-mailed.
From: richard@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: FUCK YOU -- YOU LYING FUCK, WILLY. Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~
about TMO friendship ~~~
It's starting to look like an informant went bat-shit crazy when I mentioned
getting kicked out of the TMO. This must be a sensitive issue. Go figure.
It might be a topic for discussion, but nobody seems to want to admit that they
got kicked out. Has anyone been kicked out of the TMO? If so, for what reason?
Just be honest. Thanks.
Questions:
What makes someone join a cult in the first place?
Why would anyone want to stay in a cult?
Why would anyone get kicked out of a cult?
Other topics for discussion:
How could anyone quit a cult and do it mindfully? Obviously anyone that stays
in an abusive cult for a decade or more has already had their brain washed
several times over, right?
How does someone in a cult get out of the trance-induction state? Should they
go see a cult-exit counselor? Some people feel better when they have someone to
talk to. I'm not convinced that dialoging on social media will help cure anyone
from cult-thinking.
Also, what about electric shock therapy? Where is Dr. Pete when we need him?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
FUCK YOU -- YOU LYING FUCK, WILLY.
Never was kicked out of the movement. Left it mindfully.
If I was in your state, I'd sue you for slander.
What an evil fucking twisted-ass creep you are.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~ [1 Attachment]
The problem I see for the TMO, moving into the future, is that it's an organization in which NO ONE inspires confidence. You would *have* to be an existing, pre-programmed-as-the-result-of-decades-of-propaganda True Believer to find *any* of the leaders or celebrity spokespersons of the TM movement in any way charismatic or confidence-inspiring. Show photos of them to anyone under 30, straight off the street, and they'd laugh at you for considering them worthy of attention, much less worthy of being followed in a spiritual context. Young, dynamic people don't follow people who look like this: From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~ about TMO friendship ~~~ I was talking to a well-placed governor a few years ago, and the concern he expressed was in the old days, people just wanted to hang out around Maharishi, but now of course that is impossible, and people have a different attitude toward both learning and going on courses because the draw of an alleged 'master' is nowhere in sight. Also even getting existing practitioners on courses needs some new impetus because it has to be practical, convenient and affordable for them to go on courses. A lot of facilities have been shut down, and renting places can be expensive locally. For example, opening a TM center these days requires it face a certain direction, and finding real estate that meets just this simple requirement is rather difficult. Also as far as knowledge, there is nothing really new in the offerings, though there seem to be some techniques His Appointed Royalness Tony is giving out to long time teachers on special courses. There are these 'Experience of Self' courses at MUM, but everybody experiences this every day anyway, even if they do not realise it. It is basically the same old thing with new dressing. TM's real problem is it is heavily invested in beginning a spiritual trek, but does not have the chops to effectively take it to completion which is why so many people drift off to other teachings or give up. I hear it is difficult getting new teachers because M is not there, they are very concerned about it as a career, how they will support themselves etc., the enthusiasm about being around M is not the driving factor any more, so a realistic business model as a profession looms in people's mind now. Basically any spiritual philosophy has certain ideas that are discussed and certain techniques that are practised and over time something happens or does not. Standing out from the crowd with this kind of thing seems to be getting more difficult as more or less generic versions of techniques are proffered in the marketplace. The main problem as I see it is the TM organisation is boxed in with a set of specific beliefs and guidelines that actively prevent them from looking at more possibilities. The tithing/donation model which works for religions who have been able to brainwash their flock is more difficult for TM because it has to pretend it has no religious associations, but the DLF is basically working on this model, and just how that will pan out when he goes is unknown. If TM manages to maintain some respectable amount of initiations, there will always be a few celebrities that will fall into the net, but whether the glow around them is enough is another matter. TM has not managed to get really established as a major brand on its own; so far it seems to have always depended on some kind of exposure based on the celebrity status of someone, like Maharishi, Merv Griffin, The Beach Boys, Beatles, etc., which is not a very stable model, particularly because celebrities' foibles are far more likely to become public and screw the image being created (recall Mr Collins recently). Also, as a person practices a technique, over time, the initial enthusiasm a person has is likely to diminish over time. For example, recently the Beatles and Clint Eastwood, while they have lent some support to the DLF projects, they do not appear to be particularly enthusiastic about it. Celebrities often do this if it does not involve a lot of time and energy if the project seems reasonable. But these people can't offer what the people seeking relief from their problems need, they are just window dressing. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~ about TMO friendship ~~~ Something I think the TMO should be thinking about for the future -- were the TM movement given to thinking about the real-world (as opposed to fantasy) future -- is What are we going to do when
Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
Why does everyone assume that the model that MMY developed must be the only model that the TM organization can use? The David Lynch Foundation does just fine getting new and old-time celebrities to support the cause, and just because you don't see the new wave that is beginning, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Jim Carrey's commencement speech to MUM has gone viral with 6+ million views on youtube: Full Speech: Jim Carrey's Commencement Address at the 2014 MUM Graduation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V80-gPkpH6M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V80-gPkpH6M Full Speech: Jim Carrey's Commencement Address a... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V80-gPkpH6M Maharishi University of Management (http://www.mum.edu) granted degrees to 285 students representing 54 countries. Jim Carrey gave the commencement a... View on www.youtube... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V80-gPkpH6M Preview by Yahoo That's 5+ million people who never would have heard of MUM otherwise. If nothing else, the google adsense revenue alone should be enough to pay for a full-time MUM faculty member. And the TM org is canny enough to figure out how to continue creating new publicity at all levels. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The problem I see for the TMO, moving into the future, is that it's an organization in which NO ONE inspires confidence. You would *have* to be an existing, pre-programmed-as-the-result-of-decades-of-propaganda True Believer to find *any* of the leaders or celebrity spokespersons of the TM movement in any way charismatic or confidence-inspiring. Show photos of them to anyone under 30, straight off the street, and they'd laugh at you for considering them worthy of attention, much less worthy of being followed in a spiritual context. Young, dynamic people don't follow people who look like this:
Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
It went viral because Carrey is a famous actor, not because of ANYTHING the
university says or does.
From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~ about TMO friendship ~~~
Why does everyone assume that the model that MMY developed must be the only
model that the TM organization can use?
The David Lynch Foundation does just fine getting new and old-time celebrities
to support the cause, and just because you don't see the new wave that is
beginning, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Jim Carrey's commencement speech to MUM has gone viral with 6+ million views on
youtube:
Full Speech: Jim Carrey's Commencement Address at the 2014 MUM Graduation
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Maharishi University of Management (http://www.mum.edu) granted degrees to 285
students representing 54 countries. Jim Carrey gave the commencement a...|
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| View on www.youtube...|Preview by Yahoo|
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That's 5+ million people who never would have heard of MUM otherwise.
If nothing else, the google adsense revenue alone should be enough to pay for a
full-time MUM faculty member.
And the TM org is canny enough to figure out how to continue creating new
publicity at all levels.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
The problem I see for the TMO, moving into the future, is that it's an
organization in which NO ONE inspires confidence.
You would *have* to be an existing,
pre-programmed-as-the-result-of-decades-of-propaganda True Believer to find
*any* of the leaders or celebrity spokespersons of the TM movement in any way
charismatic or confidence-inspiring. Show photos of them to anyone under 30,
straight off the street, and they'd laugh at you for considering them worthy of
attention, much less worthy of being followed in a spiritual context. Young,
dynamic people don't follow people who look like this:
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Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~ about TMO friendship ~~~
Why does everyone assume that the model that MMY developed must be the only
model that the TM organization can use?
Duh. Because the TM organization is a personality cult. Such cults don't change
just because the personality dies. If anything, the personality-in-charge's
rules become even more written in stone and unchangeable when he croaks.
Look at what you yourself did below. While writing a post ostensibly claiming
that the TMO could possibly use some other sales model than celebrity
spokesmodels, you go on to describe the latest use of celebrity spokesmodels.
You didn't even notice. THAT is how entrenched and stuck in their ways cults
and cultists can get.
The David Lynch Foundation does just fine getting new and old-time celebrities
to support the cause, and just because you don't see the new wave that is
beginning, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Jim Carrey's commencement speech to MUM has gone viral with 6+ million views on
youtube:
Full Speech: Jim Carrey's Commencement Address at the 2014 MUM Graduation
||
|||| Full Speech: Jim Carrey's Commencement Address a...
Maharishi University of Management (http://www.mum.edu) granted degrees to 285
students representing 54 countries. Jim Carrey gave the commencement a...|
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| View on www.youtube...|Preview by Yahoo|
||
That's 5+ million people who never would have heard of MUM otherwise.
If nothing else, the google adsense revenue alone should be enough to pay for a
full-time MUM faculty member.
And the TM org is canny enough to figure out how to continue creating new
publicity at all levels.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
The problem I see for the TMO, moving into the future, is that it's an
organization in which NO ONE inspires confidence.
You would *have* to be an existing,
pre-programmed-as-the-result-of-decades-of-propaganda True Believer to find
*any* of the leaders or celebrity spokespersons of the TM movement in any way
charismatic or confidence-inspiring. Show photos of them to anyone under 30,
straight off the street, and they'd laugh at you for considering them worthy of
attention, much less worthy of being followed in a spiritual context. Young,
dynamic people don't follow people who look like this:
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Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
I thought you were talking about a model where celebrities wanted to be around MMY. Using celebrities to promote a product is used by jjust about everyone if they can afford it, so I see no reason fro that to change. For the cost of room, board, a plane ticket, and a nice plaque, MUM can get 6.5 million people to watch a video where the central theme is graduating from MUM. Why would they change THAT model? ANd of course, if the negotiations go well in South America and in Africa, the TMO will expand 20-fold over the 10 years. Why would they try to do things differently? Few companies in history go from 5 million customers to 100 million customers in only 10 years. Of course, success like that will breed its own set of problems, but I'm pretty sure that they're looking at sustainability issues at the same time that they're looking at expansion issues, which is something MMY had to deal with using extremely drastic measures last time. This time, they have 10 years warning. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~ about TMO friendship ~~~ Why does everyone assume that the model that MMY developed must be the only model that the TM organization can use? Duh. Because the TM organization is a personality cult. Such cults don't change just because the personality dies. If anything, the personality-in-charge's rules become even more written in stone and unchangeable when he croaks. Look at what you yourself did below. While writing a post ostensibly claiming that the TMO could possibly use some other sales model than celebrity spokesmodels, you go on to describe the latest use of celebrity spokesmodels. You didn't even notice. THAT is how entrenched and stuck in their ways cults and cultists can get. The David Lynch Foundation does just fine getting new and old-time celebrities to support the cause, and just because you don't see the new wave that is beginning, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Jim Carrey's commencement speech to MUM has gone viral with 6+ million views on youtube: Full Speech: Jim Carrey's Commencement Address at the 2014 MUM Graduation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V80-gPkpH6M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V80-gPkpH6M Full Speech: Jim Carrey's Commencement Address a... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V80-gPkpH6M Maharishi University of Management (http://www.mum.edu) granted degrees to 285 students representing 54 countries. Jim Carrey gave the commencement a... View on www.youtube... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V80-gPkpH6M Preview by Yahoo That's 5+ million people who never would have heard of MUM otherwise. If nothing else, the google adsense revenue alone should be enough to pay for a full-time MUM faculty member. And the TM org is canny enough to figure out how to continue creating new publicity at all levels. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The problem I see for the TMO, moving into the future, is that it's an organization in which NO ONE inspires confidence. You would *have* to be an existing, pre-programmed-as-the-result-of-decades-of-propaganda True Believer to find *any* of the leaders or celebrity spokespersons of the TM movement in any way charismatic or confidence-inspiring. Show photos of them to anyone under 30, straight off the street, and they'd laugh at you for considering them worthy of attention, much less worthy of being followed in a spiritual context. Young, dynamic people don't follow people who look like this:
Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
Well, yes, that is the point of using famous people to promote a product: people are interested in the famous person, and while watching the famous person, they've learned to associate whatever good vibes they get from thinking about the famous person with the product. In this case, MUM. HUGE plus for the TMO and MUM itself. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : It went viral because Carrey is a famous actor, not because of ANYTHING the university says or does. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 6:30 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~ about TMO friendship ~~~ Why does everyone assume that the model that MMY developed must be the only model that the TM organization can use? The David Lynch Foundation does just fine getting new and old-time celebrities to support the cause, and just because you don't see the new wave that is beginning, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Jim Carrey's commencement speech to MUM has gone viral with 6+ million views on youtube: Full Speech: Jim Carrey's Commencement Address at the 2014 MUM Graduation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V80-gPkpH6M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V80-gPkpH6M Full Speech: Jim Carrey's Commencement Address a... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V80-gPkpH6M Maharishi University of Management (http://www.mum.edu) granted degrees to 285 students representing 54 countries. Jim Carrey gave the commencement a... View on www.youtube... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V80-gPkpH6M Preview by Yahoo That's 5+ million people who never would have heard of MUM otherwise. If nothing else, the google adsense revenue alone should be enough to pay for a full-time MUM faculty member. And the TM org is canny enough to figure out how to continue creating new publicity at all levels. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The problem I see for the TMO, moving into the future, is that it's an organization in which NO ONE inspires confidence. You would *have* to be an existing, pre-programmed-as-the-result-of-decades-of-propaganda True Believer to find *any* of the leaders or celebrity spokespersons of the TM movement in any way charismatic or confidence-inspiring. Show photos of them to anyone under 30, straight off the street, and they'd laugh at you for considering them worthy of attention, much less worthy of being followed in a spiritual context. Young, dynamic people don't follow people who look like this:
Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
It's a Potemkin village all the way down. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : You've got it all wrong, we don't happen to the world, the world happens to us. :-D On 04/13/2015 09:12 AM, Duveyoung wrote: Fuck Lynch. In any other Yuga but Kali, the guy'd put to death on the spot. The TMO almost got Russel Brand. But he's too smart. I'm thinking the TMO might get lucky with another hot rock band or whatever. Suckers born every minute etc. Without a figure head to allure, though, there's small chance of getting someone into deep believer-hood. Maharishi says just don't gots the whallop anymore, cuz: HE'S DEAD. Who's going to give even a dime to grungy Girish? Not Bill Gates. Maybe a Russel type, but not a serious-ass business type. 16% reduced use of oxygen charts just are bullshit to the ultra-rich -- they're rich and beloved of God OBVIOUSLY, so a guru offering an in with God is a much lesser offer to them than it would be to a poor person. Believe it: they're already enjoying life as if God was their personal concierge. David Lynch got himself grabbed by the ego, and, hey, given his films' darknesses, sure seems like a proper karma for him to be victimized. Think of the shit he's put into all our minds with his tales of such fucked up personalities -- film after film with everything being done with a vile twist. THAT'S REAL NEGATIVITY DELIVERED TO THE WORLD. Real harm. Yeah, I said it. Real harm. When you put out that much PURE SHIT into the brains of millions, what are the chances that some folks in the audience are just on the cusp of acting out, and then a Lynch film puts someone past the tipping point? To most folks, that's a silly question. Nope. We're all affecting each other -- just some of us got the mojo to smack a whole-lotta minds in one go, and that responsibility is being met by EVIL DISREGARD for the sanctity of the mindset of the masses. Lynch is sick minded. End of story. Heh, R.Crumb would be a better celebrity for us. Just sayin'.
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also a large format book entitled, Inauguration of the Dawn of the Age of Enlightenment (1975). These three volumes taken together give a good snapshot of the Transcendental Meditation movement at that time up to the mid-1970's. For context, this third book has the following quotes: “As a result of scientific research conducted during the past decade(s) on Transcendental Meditation, the practical aspect of the Science of Creative Intelligence, at more than two hundred universities and research institutes in different countries, including Germany, England, Canada, United States, Holland, India, South Africa, and Australia, involving the trends of life of about eleven hundred million people in the vicinity of eleven hundred World Plan centres in over eighty-nine countries on all continents, as endorsed and proclaimed by legislators, governors, mayors, educators, doctors, lawyers, businessmen, organizations, and individuals, and as a result of his successful world-wide activities, His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of the Science of Creative Intelligence, through the window of science, saw the coming dawn of the Age of Enlightenment and inaugurated it for the whole world in Switzerland on 12 January 1975” Text transcribed from the 1975 book: “. .Through the window of Science we see the Dawn of the Age of Enlightenment. Good time for the world is coming. Now, a few people in any country will be able to change the destiny of their nation for all good. One percent of the population will be sufficient to design the direction of time for all happiness, progress, and fulfillment everywhere. I see the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment. In this scientific age, it is no longer necessary for any nation to continue living with problems. This is the time of the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment. I am only giving expression to the phenomenon that is taking place. One percent of the people in any country can herald the dawn of a new age for the whole nation by devoting only fifteen minutes of their time twice a day. With such a little demand for such a great offer it is not conceivable that the world will go any longer in the footsteps of suffering. It is in the hands of a few individuals in every country today to change the direction of time and guide the destiny of their nation for all harmony, happiness, and progress. It is my joy to invite everyone to come in the light of the knowledge and experience that the Science of Creative Intelligence provides and enjoy participating in this global awakening to herald the Age of Enlightenment. -Maharishi 12 January 1975 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Memo: Accompanying this are two volumes, Celebrating the Dawn (1976) and Creating Ideal Society (1976) on Transcendental Meditation. These relate particularly to a transition in the activities of the larger TM movement that was taking place in the mid and late 1970's that are the precursor of themes in TM activism in the 1980's and beyond. From Maharishi's arrival in the West in the later 1950's TM as a developing organized movement in those times during the 1960's and 1970's was primary focused on teaching meditation to individuals also based then on the scientific research on meditation accruing up to the early 1970's. By the mid-1970's the TM organization transitioned over towards facilitating groups of individuals in to groups for communal practice of meditation as a form of direct-action for creating a better world. That change of theme then became a common core theme to many of Maharishi's activities from that time up until the end of his life in 2008. In gathering source publications I am seeing that the earlier 1970's were different from the late 1970's, the 1980's and to the present. The theoretical framework of the TM movement became re-formatted and re-enforced by the scientific research then being performed on meditation which drove policy implications for the organization of the TM movement from that period. For instance, Paper 98 in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program Collected Papers, Volume 1 provides a good insight in to an impetus of the re-alignment of priority for the TM movement from then. The period of the mid 1970's was then a time where more developed [revolutionary and millenarian] themes and subsequent campaigns came about within TM. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : By e-mail: “The main phenomenon I would point to regarding this is that culturally we promote practices that create an uncomfortable or hostile environment for people who are seekers, critical thinkers, and more developmentally mature. These individuals receive negative reinforcement from the community to the extent that they believe they don't belong in the movement whereas the individuals that are more
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I was talking to a well-placed governor a few years ago, and the concern he expressed was in the old days, people just wanted to hang out around Maharishi, but now of course that is impossible, and people have a different attitude toward both learning and going on courses because the draw of an alleged 'master' is nowhere in sight. Also even getting existing practitioners on courses needs some new impetus because it has to be practical, convenient and affordable for them to go on courses. A lot of facilities have been shut down, and renting places can be expensive locally. For example, opening a TM center these days requires it face a certain direction, and finding real estate that meets just this simple requirement is rather difficult. Also as far as knowledge, there is nothing really new in the offerings, though there seem to be some techniques His Appointed Royalness Tony is giving out to long time teachers on special courses. There are these 'Experience of Self' courses at MUM, but everybody experiences this every day anyway, even if they do not realise it. It is basically the same old thing with new dressing. TM's real problem is it is heavily invested in beginning a spiritual trek, but does not have the chops to effectively take it to completion which is why so many people drift off to other teachings or give up. I hear it is difficult getting new teachers because M is not there, they are very concerned about it as a career, how they will support themselves etc., the enthusiasm about being around M is not the driving factor any more, so a realistic business model as a profession looms in people's mind now. Basically any spiritual philosophy has certain ideas that are discussed and certain techniques that are practised and over time something happens or does not. Standing out from the crowd with this kind of thing seems to be getting more difficult as more or less generic versions of techniques are proffered in the marketplace. The main problem as I see it is the TM organisation is boxed in with a set of specific beliefs and guidelines that actively prevent them from looking at more possibilities. The tithing/donation model which works for religions who have been able to brainwash their flock is more difficult for TM because it has to pretend it has no religious associations, but the DLF is basically working on this model, and just how that will pan out when he goes is unknown. If TM manages to maintain some respectable amount of initiations, there will always be a few celebrities that will fall into the net, but whether the glow around them is enough is another matter. TM has not managed to get really established as a major brand on its own; so far it seems to have always depended on some kind of exposure based on the celebrity status of someone, like Maharishi, Merv Griffin, The Beach Boys, Beatles, etc., which is not a very stable model, particularly because celebrities' foibles are far more likely to become public and screw the image being created (recall Mr Collins recently). Also, as a person practices a technique, over time, the initial enthusiasm a person has is likely to diminish over time. For example, recently the Beatles and Clint Eastwood, while they have lent some support to the DLF projects, they do not appear to be particularly enthusiastic about it. Celebrities often do this if it does not involve a lot of time and energy if the project seems reasonable. But these people can't offer what the people seeking relief from their problems need, they are just window dressing. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~ about TMO friendship ~~~ Something I think the TMO should be thinking about for the future -- were the TM movement given to thinking about the real-world (as opposed to fantasy) future -- is What are we going to do when the existing pool of celebrity TMers runs dry? What's that mean for our sales model? This pool of celebs WILL, after all, run dry. There aren't going to be any NEW celebrity TMers. There is no mechanism for raising them properly. David Lynch was one of the last who was raised in the ashram model of being taught to revere the guru from afar, and then finally being offered the opportunity to meet him in person, even if it cost him a million dollars. So he got to meet Maharishi, got to get MMY to focus on him, and even got his blessing-from-afar as he went out and worked to sell his products and fulfill his dreams. That path clearly *worked* to turn Lynch into a True Believer, and a lifer. But that path is no longer open to the TMO. There ain't no guru to introduce future celebrities to. What? You think they're gonna pay big bucks to meet King Tony? Or Bevan? Or Hagelin? Get real. Maharishi
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You had one single job to do, yet you failed to reach enlightenment in 5 - 7 years, and then you did not produce a single enlightened individual in over 30 years of teaching. Correct me if I'm wrong about this. Thanks. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : FUCK YOU -- YOU LYING FUCK, WILLY. Non sequitur. Never was kicked out of the movement. Left it mindfully. You did what you could to help your guru and get the cult started. You tried to turn a simple relaxation technique into a religion with the Maharishi as your God. So, you got upset when we didn't buy into it - get over it. You can learn a lot from the family dog: No matter what life brings you, just kick some grass over that shit and move on. .
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For most average TMers you ARE the TMO, Edg. The only thing you forgot to cover is what exactly was your TMO status claim? You spent what, 39 years working for the cult? For what purpose? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Fuck Lynch. In any other Yuga but Kali, the guy'd put to death on the spot. Non sequitur. The TMO almost got Russel Brand. But he's too smart. Non sequitur. Who's going to give even a dime to grungy Girish? Non sequitur. You had one single job to do - reach an enlightened state in 5- 7 years. You sucked as a spiritual teacher, so you got kicked out of the TMO - apparently you failed to produce one single enlightened person in over three decades. What we want to know now is what happened to all the money? LoL!
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Memo: Accompanying this are two volumes, Celebrating the Dawn (1976) and Creating Ideal Society (1976) on Transcendental Meditation. These relate particularly to a transition in the activities of the larger TM movement that was taking place in the mid and late 1970's that are the precursor of themes in TM activism in the 1980's and beyond. From Maharishi's arrival in the West in the later 1950's TM as a developing organized movement in those times during the 1960's and 1970's was primary focused on teaching meditation to individuals also based then on the scientific research on meditation accruing up to the early 1970's. By the mid-1970's the TM organization transitioned over towards facilitating groups of individuals in to groups for communal practice of meditation as a form of direct-action for creating a better world. That change of theme then became a common core theme to many of Maharishi's activities from that time up until the end of his life in 2008. In gathering source publications I am seeing that the earlier 1970's were different from the late 1970's, the 1980's and to the present. The theoretical framework of the TM movement became re-formatted and re-enforced by the scientific research then being performed on meditation which drove policy implications for the organization of the TM movement from that period. For instance, Paper 98 in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program Collected Papers, Volume 1 provides a good insight in to an impetus of the re-alignment of priority for the TM movement from then. The period of the mid 1970's was then a time where more developed [revolutionary and millenarian] themes and subsequent campaigns came about within TM. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : By e-mail: “The main phenomenon I would point to regarding this is that culturally we promote practices that create an uncomfortable or hostile environment for people who are seekers, critical thinkers, and more developmentally mature. These individuals receive negative reinforcement from the community to the extent that they believe they don't belong in the movement whereas the individuals that are more devout and dedicated to Maharishi's teachings receive positive reinforcement.” discussion: This is an extremely pertinent, succinct and very well said e-mail and it should not be lost track of in all of this. Again, it goes back to a nature of character in the leadership within this and what we have now as the TM communities. Thanks for taking the time to put this point together. Thanks also for being there coming along attending to and doing this work on behalf of our meditating communities. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : “The problems and the solutions for the TM movement are in the first three sutras: Friendliness, Compassion, Happiness.” -A friend who is successful in life, an old meditator who moved to Fairfield, Iowa in retirement observes. ..when did the movement change? Reminisces: More distinctly it changed in 1977 with the coming of the Vedic Atom re-organization and the wholesale sweeping out of a corporate order of national leaders and coordinators then who had used metrics of numbers of initiations to guide the movement up to that point. From then the movement became sidhis-centric, it overlooking entirely the teaching of TM, it overlooked the meditators, and the new administrators adjudicated based much less on merit and metrics and much more by their sense in fealty of a faith and belief in Maharishi and Maharishi's teaching using a one-way, “never do we entertain negativity, never do we denounce anyone”. There was a change in the cultural esprit de corps in teaching of TM from then to being more of a faith-based organization. From the moments of the Vedic Atom creation a lot of the most experienced and effective TM teachers were left out with no place to return to 'out in the field' within the movement. These were the experienced field teachers who themselves were still on courses in Europe or just then going over to courses and not in sync in that free-for-all creation of teams made up of just anyone and going out in usurpation. I was there and saw this, eye-witness. It was like witnessing the decapitation of the whole officer corps of a standing army then. Chaos ensued out in the field and autocrats tried to control it from on top at a distance. It was quite sad to watch what happened to people. It was something that happened. Even great leadership makes mistakes in history. Years later now in TM, scientist CEO's, administrators, with some who are effective teachers by character being more in charge the teaching movement now is getting back to metrics of performance and evaluation in the teaching of TM. We may yet wait for the remaining old-guard Plutarchs to get out of the way and in to their retirement or die,
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There is no hope for the TM Movement since it was founded on the energies of deceit, deception and self aggrandizement. And while there were some TM teachers who were dedicated to spreading TM, there were a whole lot more who were in it for what they could to for themselves personally. Meaning they wanted to get enlightened and would do whatever it took to achieve that illusory goal. These men and women would abandon a TM Center in a heartbeat to go do some long rounding courses, leaving everyone in the lurch, bailing out on any commitments they had made to anyone and everyone. The current Movement is being propped up by an aging bizarro movie maker who parades a bunch of celebrities in front of the world waving their hands and saying Look at us! We are famous and rich! We got that way by doing TM! Do TM and you can be famous and rich too! They grinning TM mooks like Bob Roth then claim there is lots and lots of science to back up the outrageous claims made for TM, and the TM scientist shills like Boby Schneider then step up and wave sheaves of paper around saying Look at all these studies we got the guv'ment to pay for! They prove that TM is good! Never mind about the raw data, you can't see that, just take our word for it, TM is good! The Movement has very little traction these days, far too many people see through the absurdities they proffer. It is on its last legs. I give it another maybe 7-8 years before it is marginalized enough that you won't much of it anymore. When Lynch kicks the bucket, the celebrity pitch will run out of steam, RIP TM Movement, and good riddance. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~ about TMO friendship ~~~ “The problems and thesolutions for the TM movement are in the first three sutras:Friendliness, Compassion, Happiness.” -A friend who is successfulin life, an old meditator who moved to Fairfield, Iowa in retirementobserves. ..when did the movement change? Reminisces:More distinctly it changed in 1977 with the coming of the Vedic Atomre-organization and the wholesale sweeping out of a corporate orderof national leaders and coordinators then who had used metrics ofnumbers of initiations to guide the movement up to that point. Fromthen the movement became sidhis-centric, it overlooking entirely theteaching of TM, it overlooked the meditators, and the newadministrators adjudicated based much less on merit and metrics andmuch more by their sense in fealty of a faith and belief in Maharishiand Maharishi's teaching using a one-way, “never do weentertain negativity, never do we denounce anyone”. There was achange in the cultural esprit de corps in teaching of TM from then tobeing more of a faith-based organization. From themoments of the Vedic Atom creation a lot of the most experienced andeffective TM teachers were left out with no place to return to 'outin the field' within the movement. These were the experienced fieldteachers who themselves were still on courses in Europe or just thengoing over to courses and not in sync in that free-for-all creationof teams made up of just anyone and going out in usurpation. I wasthere and saw this, eye-witness. It was like witnessing thedecapitation of the whole officer corps of a standing army then.Chaos ensued out in the field and autocrats tried to control it fromon top at a distance. It was quite sad to watch what happened topeople. It was something that happened. Even great leadership makesmistakes in history. Yearslater now in TM, scientist CEO's, administrators, with some who areeffective teachers by character being more in charge the teachingmovement now is getting back to metrics of performance and evaluationin the teaching of TM. We may yet wait for the remainingold-guard Plutarchs to get out of the way and in to their retirementor die, whichever can come first. An alarming message for changewithin sent by some retrogressive element in this more recently wasin honors granted in a re-appearance and rehabilitation of theWilsons, Neil Patterson, Abramson and some others being brought upand placed seated on stage at the 40th anniversary celebrationof MIU. Is that a movement that people would come back to, goingforward? # ..when did the movement change? Bhairitu writes: After the AE courses. Some teachers came back and assumed being TM Gestapo. Most of them were very mediocre souls probably lifetimes away from attaining any permanent state of enlightenment. They were rude and mean to other teachers and made pronouncement as if they had a stick up their butt. That's when folks started fleeing elsewhere. ..I've been away from the TMO since 1985 but I seem to recall some of them got drummed out themselves. They never bothered me but I sure heard stories from people who were
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Something I think the TMO should be thinking about for the future -- were the TM movement given to thinking about the real-world (as opposed to fantasy) future -- is What are we going to do when the existing pool of celebrity TMers runs dry? What's that mean for our sales model? This pool of celebs WILL, after all, run dry. There aren't going to be any NEW celebrity TMers. There is no mechanism for raising them properly. David Lynch was one of the last who was raised in the ashram model of being taught to revere the guru from afar, and then finally being offered the opportunity to meet him in person, even if it cost him a million dollars. So he got to meet Maharishi, got to get MMY to focus on him, and even got his blessing-from-afar as he went out and worked to sell his products and fulfill his dreams. That path clearly *worked* to turn Lynch into a True Believer, and a lifer. But that path is no longer open to the TMO. There ain't no guru to introduce future celebrities to. What? You think they're gonna pay big bucks to meet King Tony? Or Bevan? Or Hagelin? Get real. Maharishi was the draw. To meet him was why the Beatles and Clint and Merv and most of the other old-time celebrities allowed Maharishi to use their names to sell his products. And their names definitely did help to sell his products, so people in the TMO came to rely on the celebrity spokesperson model for spreading their message, just as Scientology did. But there ain't no Maharishi these days, and nothing even close. There is nothing to actually draw a big celebrity in to the cult with. So the pool of celebrity TMers is gonna dry up. What are they going to do then to market TM? Any thoughts? From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ... The current Movement is being propped up by an aging bizarro movie maker who parades a bunch of celebrities in front of the world waving their hands and saying Look at us! We are famous and rich! We got that way by doing TM! Do TM and you can be famous and rich too! ... The Movement has very little traction these days, far too many people see through the absurdities they proffer. It is on its last legs. I give it another maybe 7-8 years before it is marginalized enough that you won't much of it anymore. When Lynch kicks the bucket, the celebrity pitch will run out of steam, RIP TM Movement, and good riddance. A good point. The TM movement is being propped up -- financially and in PR terms -- by a 69-year-old guy who chain-smokes American Spirits and cigars, drinks a dozen or more cups of coffee a day, and (by his own admission) gets zero exercise. He's like a heart attack waiting to happen, and my bet is that not a single person whose livelihood depends on him has given a single thought to what they're going to do when he finally has one and croaks. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~ about TMO friendship ~~~ “The problems and thesolutions for the TM movement are in the first three sutras:Friendliness, Compassion, Happiness.” -A friend who is successfulin life, an old meditator who moved to Fairfield, Iowa in retirementobserves. ..when did the movement change? Reminisces:More distinctly it changed in 1977 with the coming of the Vedic Atomre-organization and the wholesale sweeping out of a corporate orderof national leaders and coordinators then who had used metrics ofnumbers of initiations to guide the movement up to that point. Fromthen the movement became sidhis-centric, it overlooking entirely theteaching of TM, it overlooked the meditators, and the newadministrators adjudicated based much less on merit and metrics andmuch more by their sense in fealty of a faith and belief in Maharishiand Maharishi's teaching using a one-way, “never do weentertain negativity, never do we denounce anyone”. There was achange in the cultural esprit de corps in teaching of TM from then tobeing more of a faith-based organization. From themoments of the Vedic Atom creation a lot of the most experienced andeffective TM teachers were left out with no place to return to 'outin the field' within the movement. These were the experienced fieldteachers who themselves were still on courses in Europe or just thengoing over to courses and not in sync in that free-for-all creationof teams made up of just anyone and going out in usurpation. I wasthere and saw this, eye-witness. It was like witnessing thedecapitation of the whole officer corps of a standing army then.Chaos ensued out in the field and autocrats tried to control it fromon top at a distance. It was quite sad to watch what happened topeople. It was something that happened. Even
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From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ... The current Movement is being propped up by an aging bizarro movie maker who parades a bunch of celebrities in front of the world waving their hands and saying Look at us! We are famous and rich! We got that way by doing TM! Do TM and you can be famous and rich too! ... The Movement has very little traction these days, far too many people see through the absurdities they proffer. It is on its last legs. I give it another maybe 7-8 years before it is marginalized enough that you won't much of it anymore. When Lynch kicks the bucket, the celebrity pitch will run out of steam, RIP TM Movement, and good riddance. A good point. The TM movement is being propped up -- financially and in PR terms -- by a 69-year-old guy who chain-smokes American Spirits and cigars, drinks a dozen or more cups of coffee a day, and (by his own admission) gets zero exercise. He's like a heart attack waiting to happen, and my bet is that not a single person whose livelihood depends on him has given a single thought to what they're going to do when he finally has one and croaks. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~ about TMO friendship ~~~ “The problems and thesolutions for the TM movement are in the first three sutras:Friendliness, Compassion, Happiness.” -A friend who is successfulin life, an old meditator who moved to Fairfield, Iowa in retirementobserves. ..when did the movement change? Reminisces:More distinctly it changed in 1977 with the coming of the Vedic Atomre-organization and the wholesale sweeping out of a corporate orderof national leaders and coordinators then who had used metrics ofnumbers of initiations to guide the movement up to that point. Fromthen the movement became sidhis-centric, it overlooking entirely theteaching of TM, it overlooked the meditators, and the newadministrators adjudicated based much less on merit and metrics andmuch more by their sense in fealty of a faith and belief in Maharishiand Maharishi's teaching using a one-way, “never do weentertain negativity, never do we denounce anyone”. There was achange in the cultural esprit de corps in teaching of TM from then tobeing more of a faith-based organization. From themoments of the Vedic Atom creation a lot of the most experienced andeffective TM teachers were left out with no place to return to 'outin the field' within the movement. These were the experienced fieldteachers who themselves were still on courses in Europe or just thengoing over to courses and not in sync in that free-for-all creationof teams made up of just anyone and going out in usurpation. I wasthere and saw this, eye-witness. It was like witnessing thedecapitation of the whole officer corps of a standing army then.Chaos ensued out in the field and autocrats tried to control it fromon top at a distance. It was quite sad to watch what happened topeople. It was something that happened. Even great leadership makesmistakes in history. Yearslater now in TM, scientist CEO's, administrators, with some who areeffective teachers by character being more in charge the teachingmovement now is getting back to metrics of performance and evaluationin the teaching of TM. We may yet wait for the remainingold-guard Plutarchs to get out of the way and in to their retirementor die, whichever can come first. An alarming message for changewithin sent by some retrogressive element in this more recently wasin honors granted in a re-appearance and rehabilitation of theWilsons, Neil Patterson, Abramson and some others being brought upand placed seated on stage at the 40th anniversary celebrationof MIU. Is that a movement that people would come back to, goingforward? # ..when did the movement change? Bhairitu writes: After the AE courses. Some teachers came back and assumed being TM Gestapo. Most of them were very mediocre souls probably lifetimes away from attaining any permanent state of enlightenment. They were rude and mean to other teachers and made pronouncement as if they had a stick up their butt. That's when folks started fleeing elsewhere. ..I've been away from the TMO since 1985 but I seem to recall some of them got drummed out themselves. They never bothered me but I sure heard stories from people who were their victims. Sometimes what goes around comes around. # Are any of them still in charge of anything:? L Discussing: “One thing which is interesting hereis that this movement was founded by people who had a distinct lackof the first list and an abundance of the second list. To takea year off college and go to a 3-month TM TTC in 1972 required agreat lack of obedience, compliance, conformity, discipline andadherence; and a great abundance
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The movement changed about the time Jerry Jarvis started the SIMS - before that the movement was different in the USA. That's about the time they put people like the two Barrys in charge of coordinating the movement and initiating. When some of the punks came back from the TTC they thought the universe revolved around them. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : After the AE courses. Almost all of the participants on these courses were from SIMS and the TMO in Europe, mostly young kids who had no idea what thie purpose was in lSome teachers came back and assumed being TM Gestapo. Some of the SIMS teachers never changed, as can be seen by what they are now posting to FFL - they are still posing as spiritual teachers, trying to tell people what to do and think, based on their own opinions; blaming their guru for their failure to obtain enlightenment in 5-7 years. They tried to turn TM practice into a religion with the Maharishi as their God. Most of them were very mediocre souls probably lifetimes away from attaining any permanent state of enlightenment. Non sequitur. They were rude and mean to other teachers and made pronouncement as if they had a stick up their butt. Non sequitur. That's when folks started fleeing elsewhere. Non sequitur. Sorta reminds me of the Wayward Pines trailer I just posted. Non sequitur. On 04/12/2015 12:56 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Discussing: “One thing which is interesting here is that this movement was founded by people who had a distinct lack of the first list and an abundance of the second list. To take a year off college and go to a 3-month TM TTC in 1972 required a great lack of obedience, compliance, conformity, discipline and adherence; and a great abundance of authenticity, self-direction, self-expression, appreciation of diversity, critical analysis, and playfulness. When did we change?” ..when did the movement change?
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You two guys sound kind of JELLOS that TM is so popular now, in spite of your efforts to discredit the movement. You just can't admit the truth: it's not David Lynch's fault that you both got kicked out of the TMO because you sucked as spiritual teachers. It's not complicated. We already know that the millionaire artist David Lynch can't compare to all your accomplishments - MJ can bake cookies and bread and the TB can write an online diary. Very impressive. That's what I'm talking about! From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ... The current Movement is being propped up by an aging bizarro movie maker who parades a bunch of celebrities in front of the world waving their hands and saying Look at us! We are famous and rich! We got that way by doing TM! Do TM and you can be famous and rich too! ... The Movement has very little traction these days, far too many people see through the absurdities they proffer. It is on its last legs. I give it another maybe 7-8 years before it is marginalized enough that you won't much of it anymore. When Lynch kicks the bucket, the celebrity pitch will run out of steam, RIP TM Movement, and good riddance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : A good point. The TM movement is being propped up -- financially and in PR terms -- by a 69-year-old guy who chain-smokes American Spirits and cigars, drinks a dozen or more cups of coffee a day, and (by his own admission) gets zero exercise. Non sequitur. He's like a heart attack waiting to happen, and my bet is that not a single person whose livelihood depends on him has given a single thought to what they're going to do when he finally has one and croaks. Non sequitur. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~ about TMO friendship ~~~ “The problems and the solutions for the TM movement are in the first three sutras: Friendliness, Compassion, Happiness.” -A friend who is successful in life, an old meditator who moved to Fairfield, Iowa in retirement observes. ..when did the movement change? Reminisces: More distinctly it changed in 1977 with the coming of the Vedic Atom re-organization and the wholesale sweeping out of a corporate order of national leaders and coordinators then who had used metrics of numbers of initiations to guide the movement up to that point. From then the movement became sidhis-centric, it overlooking entirely the teaching of TM, it overlooked the meditators, and the new administrators adjudicated based much less on merit and metrics and much more by their sense in fealty of a faith and belief in Maharishi and Maharishi's teaching using a one-way, “never do we entertain negativity, never do we denounce anyone”. There was a change in the cultural esprit de corps in teaching of TM from then to being more of a faith-based organization. From the moments of the Vedic Atom creation a lot of the most experienced and effective TM teachers were left out with no place to return to 'out in the field' within the movement. These were the experienced field teachers who themselves were still on courses in Europe or just then going over to courses and not in sync in that free-for-all creation of teams made up of just anyone and going out in usurpation. I was there and saw this, eye-witness. It was like witnessing the decapitation of the whole officer corps of a standing army then. Chaos ensued out in the field and autocrats tried to control it from on top at a distance. It was quite sad to watch what happened to people. It was something that happened. Even great leadership makes mistakes in history. Years later now in TM, scientist CEO's, administrators, with some who are effective teachers by character being more in charge the teaching movement now is getting back to metrics of performance and evaluation in the teaching of TM. We may yet wait for the remaining old-guard Plutarchs to get out of the way and in to their retirement or die, whichever can come first. An alarming message for change within sent by some retrogressive element in this more recently was in honors granted in a re-appearance and rehabilitation of the Wilsons, Neil Patterson, Abramson and some others being brought up and placed seated on stage at the 40th anniversary celebration of MIU. Is that a movement that people would come back to, going forward? # ..when did the movement change? Bhairitu writes: After the AE courses. Some teachers came back and assumed being TM Gestapo. Most of them were very mediocre souls probably lifetimes away from attaining any permanent state of enlightenment. They were rude and mean to other teachers and made pronouncement as if they had a stick up their butt. That's when folks started fleeing
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You've got it all wrong, we don't happen to the world, the world happens to us. :-D On 04/13/2015 09:12 AM, Duveyoung wrote: Fuck Lynch. In any other Yuga but Kali, the guy'd put to death on the spot. The TMO almost got Russel Brand. But he's too smart. I'm thinking the TMO might get lucky with another hot rock band or whatever. Suckers born every minute etc. Without a figure head to allure, though, there's small chance of getting someone into deep believer-hood. Maharishi says just don't gots the whallop anymore, cuz: HE'S DEAD. Who's going to give even a dime to grungy Girish? Not Bill Gates. Maybe a Russel type, but not a serious-ass business type. 16% reduced use of oxygen charts just are bullshit to the ultra-rich -- they're rich and beloved of God OBVIOUSLY, so a guru offering an in with God is a much lesser offer to them than it would be to a poor person. Believe it: they're already enjoying life as if God was their personal concierge. David Lynch got himself grabbed by the ego, and, hey, given his films' darknesses, sure seems like a proper karma for him to be victimized. Think of the shit he's put into all our minds with his tales of such fucked up personalities -- film after film with everything being done with a vile twist. THAT'S REAL NEGATIVITY DELIVERED TO THE WORLD. Real harm. Yeah, I said it. Real harm. When you put out that much PURE SHIT into the brains of millions, what are the chances that some folks in the audience are just on the cusp of acting out, and then a Lynch film puts someone past the tipping point? To most folks, that's a silly question. Nope. We're all affecting each other -- just some of us got the mojo to smack a whole-lotta minds in one go, and that responsibility is being met by EVIL DISREGARD for the sanctity of the mindset of the masses. Lynch is sick minded. End of story. Heh, R.Crumb would be a better celebrity for us. Just sayin'.
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By e-mail: “The main phenomenon I would point to regarding this is that culturally we promote practices that create an uncomfortable or hostile environment for people who are seekers, critical thinkers, and more developmentally mature. These individuals receive negative reinforcement from the community to the extent that they believe they don't belong in the movement whereas the individuals that are more devout and dedicated to Maharishi's teachings receive positive reinforcement.” discussion: This is an extremely pertinent, succinct and very well said e-mail and it should not be lost track of in all of this. Again, it goes back to a nature of character in the leadership within this and what we have now as the TM communities. Thanks for taking the time to put this point together. Thanks also for being there coming along attending to and doing this work on behalf of our meditating communities. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : “The problems and the solutions for the TM movement are in the first three sutras: Friendliness, Compassion, Happiness.” -A friend who is successful in life, an old meditator who moved to Fairfield, Iowa in retirement observes. ..when did the movement change? Reminisces: More distinctly it changed in 1977 with the coming of the Vedic Atom re-organization and the wholesale sweeping out of a corporate order of national leaders and coordinators then who had used metrics of numbers of initiations to guide the movement up to that point. From then the movement became sidhis-centric, it overlooking entirely the teaching of TM, it overlooked the meditators, and the new administrators adjudicated based much less on merit and metrics and much more by their sense in fealty of a faith and belief in Maharishi and Maharishi's teaching using a one-way, “never do we entertain negativity, never do we denounce anyone”. There was a change in the cultural esprit de corps in teaching of TM from then to being more of a faith-based organization. From the moments of the Vedic Atom creation a lot of the most experienced and effective TM teachers were left out with no place to return to 'out in the field' within the movement. These were the experienced field teachers who themselves were still on courses in Europe or just then going over to courses and not in sync in that free-for-all creation of teams made up of just anyone and going out in usurpation. I was there and saw this, eye-witness. It was like witnessing the decapitation of the whole officer corps of a standing army then. Chaos ensued out in the field and autocrats tried to control it from on top at a distance. It was quite sad to watch what happened to people. It was something that happened. Even great leadership makes mistakes in history. Years later now in TM, scientist CEO's, administrators, with some who are effective teachers by character being more in charge the teaching movement now is getting back to metrics of performance and evaluation in the teaching of TM. We may yet wait for the remaining old-guard Plutarchs to get out of the way and in to their retirement or die, whichever can come first. An alarming message for change within sent by some retrogressive element in this more recently was in honors granted in a re-appearance and rehabilitation of the Wilsons, Neil Patterson, Abramson and some others being brought up and placed seated on stage at the 40th anniversary celebration of MIU. Is that a movement that people would come back to, going forward? # ..when did the movement change? Bhairitu writes: After the AE courses. Some teachers came back and assumed being TM Gestapo. Most of them were very mediocre souls probably lifetimes away from attaining any permanent state of enlightenment. They were rude and mean to other teachers and made pronouncement as if they had a stick up their butt. That's when folks started fleeing elsewhere. ..I've been away from the TMO since 1985 but I seem to recall some of them got drummed out themselves. They never bothered me but I sure heard stories from people who were their victims. Sometimes what goes around comes around. # Are any of them still in charge of anything:? L Discussing: “One thing which is interesting here is that this movement was founded by people who had a distinct lack of the first list and an abundance of the second list. To take a year off college and go to a 3-month TM TTC in 1972 required a great lack of obedience, compliance, conformity, discipline and adherence; and a great abundance of authenticity, self-direction, self-expression, appreciation of diversity, critical analysis, and playfulness. When did we change?” ..when did the movement change? As the culture of the movement became TM-siddhis centric. Back when the metric changed from numbers of meditators and the teaching of TM over to groups of people practicing TM-yogic-flying.
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Fuck Lynch. In any other Yuga but Kali, the guy'd put to death on the spot. The TMO almost got Russel Brand. But he's too smart. I'm thinking the TMO might get lucky with another hot rock band or whatever. Suckers born every minute etc. Without a figure head to allure, though, there's small chance of getting someone into deep believer-hood. Maharishi says just don't gots the whallop anymore, cuz: HE'S DEAD. Who's going to give even a dime to grungy Girish? Not Bill Gates. Maybe a Russel type, but not a serious-ass business type. 16% reduced use of oxygen charts just are bullshit to the ultra-rich -- they're rich and beloved of God OBVIOUSLY, so a guru offering an in with God is a much lesser offer to them than it would be to a poor person. Believe it: they're already enjoying life as if God was their personal concierge. David Lynch got himself grabbed by the ego, and, hey, given his films' darknesses, sure seems like a proper karma for him to be victimized. Think of the shit he's put into all our minds with his tales of such fucked up personalities -- film after film with everything being done with a vile twist. THAT'S REAL NEGATIVITY DELIVERED TO THE WORLD. Real harm. Yeah, I said it. Real harm. When you put out that much PURE SHIT into the brains of millions, what are the chances that some folks in the audience are just on the cusp of acting out, and then a Lynch film puts someone past the tipping point? To most folks, that's a silly question. Nope. We're all affecting each other -- just some of us got the mojo to smack a whole-lotta minds in one go, and that responsibility is being met by EVIL DISREGARD for the sanctity of the mindset of the masses. Lynch is sick minded. End of story. Heh, R.Crumb would be a better celebrity for us. Just sayin'.
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On 04/13/2015 05:26 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *From:* Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ... The current Movement is being propped up by an aging bizarro movie maker who parades a bunch of celebrities in front of the world waving their hands and saying Look at us! We are famous and rich! We got that way by doing TM! Do TM and you can be famous and rich too! ... The Movement has very little traction these days, far too many people see through the absurdities they proffer. It is on its last legs. I give it another maybe 7-8 years before it is marginalized enough that you won't much of it anymore. When Lynch kicks the bucket, the celebrity pitch will run out of steam, RIP TM Movement, and good riddance. */A good point. The TM movement is being propped up -- financially and in PR terms -- by a 69-year-old guy who chain-smokes American Spirits and cigars, drinks a dozen or more cups of coffee a day, and (by his own admission) gets zero exercise. He's like a heart attack waiting to happen, and my bet is that not a single person whose livelihood depends on him has given a single thought to what they're going to do when he finally has one and croaks. /* Nah, he'll probably outlive us all. ;-)
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So, a decade or more ago you got kicked out of the cult. You still sound really depressed about it. Have you ever considered visiting a cult-exit counselor? If not, why not? Thanks. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : There is no hope for the TM Movement since it was founded on the energies of deceit, deception and self aggrandizement. Non sequitur. Most people aren't interested in the personalities involved - we already know about Curtis, Barry and Rick, and we can form our own opinions - all we want to know is what happened to all the money. It must have cost the TMO thousands of dollars in food and lodging to put you up for all those years. Go figure. And while there were some TM teachers who were dedicated to spreading TM, there were a whole lot more who were in it for what they could to for themselves personally. Non sequitur. Meaning they wanted to get enlightened and would do whatever it took to achieve that illusory goal. These men and women would abandon a TM Center in a heartbeat to go do some long rounding courses, leaving everyone in the lurch, bailing out on any commitments they had made to anyone and everyone. Non sequitur. The current Movement is being propped up by an aging bizarro movie maker who parades a bunch of celebrities in front of the world waving their hands and saying Look at us! We are famous and rich! We got that way by doing TM! Do TM and you can be famous and rich too! Non sequitur. They grinning TM mooks like Bob Roth then claim there is lots and lots of science to back up the outrageous claims made for TM, and the TM scientist shills like Boby Schneider then step up and wave sheaves of paper around saying Look at all these studies we got the guv'ment to pay for! They prove that TM is good! Never mind about the raw data, you can't see that, just take our word for it, TM is good! Non sequitur. The Movement has very little traction these days, far too many people see through the absurdities they proffer. It is on its last legs. I give it another maybe 7-8 years before it is marginalized enough that you won't much of it anymore. When Lynch kicks the bucket, the celebrity pitch will run out of steam, RIP TM Movement, and good riddance. Non sequitur. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~ about TMO friendship ~~~ “The problems and the solutions for the TM movement are in the first three sutras: Friendliness, Compassion, Happiness.” -A friend who is successful in life, an old meditator who moved to Fairfield, Iowa in retirement observes. ..when did the movement change? Reminisces: More distinctly it changed in 1977 with the coming of the Vedic Atom re-organization and the wholesale sweeping out of a corporate order of national leaders and coordinators then who had used metrics of numbers of initiations to guide the movement up to that point. From then the movement became sidhis-centric, it overlooking entirely the teaching of TM, it overlooked the meditators, and the new administrators adjudicated based much less on merit and metrics and much more by their sense in fealty of a faith and belief in Maharishi and Maharishi's teaching using a one-way, “never do we entertain negativity, never do we denounce anyone”. There was a change in the cultural esprit de corps in teaching of TM from then to being more of a faith-based organization. From the moments of the Vedic Atom creation a lot of the most experienced and effective TM teachers were left out with no place to return to 'out in the field' within the movement. These were the experienced field teachers who themselves were still on courses in Europe or just then going over to courses and not in sync in that free-for-all creation of teams made up of just anyone and going out in usurpation. I was there and saw this, eye-witness. It was like witnessing the decapitation of the whole officer corps of a standing army then. Chaos ensued out in the field and autocrats tried to control it from on top at a distance. It was quite sad to watch what happened to people. It was something that happened. Even great leadership makes mistakes in history. Years later now in TM, scientist CEO's, administrators, with some who are effective teachers by character being more in charge the teaching movement now is getting back to metrics of performance and evaluation in the teaching of TM. We may yet wait for the remaining old-guard Plutarchs to get out of the way and in to their retirement or die, whichever can come first. An alarming message for change within sent by some retrogressive element in this more recently was in honors granted in a re-appearance and rehabilitation of the Wilsons, Neil Patterson, Abramson and some others being brought up and placed seated
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..when did the movement change? Reminisces: More distinctly it changed in 1977 with the coming of the Vedic Atom re-organization and the wholesale sweeping out of a corporate order of national leaders and coordinators then who had used metrics of numbers of initiations to guide the movement up to that point. From then the movement became sidhis-centric, it overlooking entirely the teaching of TM, it overlooked the meditators, and the new administrators adjudicated based much less on merit and metrics and much more by their sense in fealty of a faith and belief in Maharishi and Maharishi's teaching using a one-way, “never do we entertain negativity, never do we denounce anyone”. There was a change in the cultural esprit de corps in teaching of TM from then to being more of a faith-based organization. From the moments of the Vedic Atom creation a lot of the most experienced and effective TM teachers were left out with no place to return to 'out in the field' within the movement. These were the experienced field teachers who themselves were still on courses in Europe or just then going over to courses and not in sync in that free-for-all creation of teams made up of just anyone and going out in usurpation. I was there and saw this, eye-witness. It was like witnessing the decapitation of the whole officer corps of a standing army then. Chaos ensued out in the field and autocrats tried to control it from on top at a distance. It was quite sad to watch what happened to people. It was something that happened. Even great leadership makes mistakes in history. Years later now in TM, scientist CEO's, administrators, with some who are effective teachers by character being more in charge the teaching movement now is getting back to metrics of performance and evaluation in the teaching of TM. We may yet wait for the remaining old-guard Plutarchs to get out of the way and in to their retirement or die, whichever can come first. An alarming message for change within sent by some retrogressive element in this more recently was in honors granted in a re-appearance and rehabilitation of the Wilsons, Neil Patterson, Abramson and some others being brought up and placed seated on stage at the 40th anniversary celebration of MIU. Is that a movement that people would come back to, going forward? # ..when did the movement change? Bhairitu writes: After the AE courses. Some teachers came back and assumed being TM Gestapo. Most of them were very mediocre souls probably lifetimes away from attaining any permanent state of enlightenment. They were rude and mean to other teachers and made pronouncement as if they had a stick up their butt. That's when folks started fleeing elsewhere. ..I've been away from the TMO since 1985 but I seem to recall some of them got drummed out themselves. They never bothered me but I sure heard stories from people who were their victims. Sometimes what goes around comes around. # Are any of them still in charge of anything:? L Discussing: “One thing which is interesting here is that this movement was founded by people who had a distinct lack of the first list and an abundance of the second list. To take a year off college and go to a 3-month TM TTC in 1972 required a great lack of obedience, compliance, conformity, discipline and adherence; and a great abundance of authenticity, self-direction, self-expression, appreciation of diversity, critical analysis, and playfulness. When did we change?” ..when did the movement change? As the culture of the movement became TM-siddhis centric. Back when the metric changed from numbers of meditators and the teaching of TM over to groups of people practicing TM-yogic-flying. The friendly, compassionate, and happy movement became something else under a new administrative leadership with a different mission from then. Discussing: “Specifically, our community culture highly values: obedience, compliance, conformity, discipline and adherence. These values go directly against the grain of: creativity, authenticity, self-direction, self-expression, appreciation of diversity, critical analysis, and playfulness which are generally the characteristics of later stages of development.” ..Discussion: I feel this is a very powerful way of analyzing. ..examples of our community culture valuing “conformity,” for example? LEnglish5 wrote : I think you're wrong all the way across the board in your conclusinos, even if you make partially valid points. The TM organization appears to be thriving, and on the verge of being 100x laster than it has ever been, while being recognized by the largest organizations in the world as being important. Of course, that last may never happen, but what if does? L Yes, granted that in places the TM movement is progressing. That evidently depends though on people and a character of the people involved how it is
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“The problems and the solutions for the TM movement are in the first three sutras: Friendliness, Compassion, Happiness.” -A friend who is successful in life, an old meditator who moved to Fairfield, Iowa in retirement observes. ..when did the movement change? Reminisces: More distinctly it changed in 1977 with the coming of the Vedic Atom re-organization and the wholesale sweeping out of a corporate order of national leaders and coordinators then who had used metrics of numbers of initiations to guide the movement up to that point. From then the movement became sidhis-centric, it overlooking entirely the teaching of TM, it overlooked the meditators, and the new administrators adjudicated based much less on merit and metrics and much more by their sense in fealty of a faith and belief in Maharishi and Maharishi's teaching using a one-way, “never do we entertain negativity, never do we denounce anyone”. There was a change in the cultural esprit de corps in teaching of TM from then to being more of a faith-based organization. From the moments of the Vedic Atom creation a lot of the most experienced and effective TM teachers were left out with no place to return to 'out in the field' within the movement. These were the experienced field teachers who themselves were still on courses in Europe or just then going over to courses and not in sync in that free-for-all creation of teams made up of just anyone and going out in usurpation. I was there and saw this, eye-witness. It was like witnessing the decapitation of the whole officer corps of a standing army then. Chaos ensued out in the field and autocrats tried to control it from on top at a distance. It was quite sad to watch what happened to people. It was something that happened. Even great leadership makes mistakes in history. Years later now in TM, scientist CEO's, administrators, with some who are effective teachers by character being more in charge the teaching movement now is getting back to metrics of performance and evaluation in the teaching of TM. We may yet wait for the remaining old-guard Plutarchs to get out of the way and in to their retirement or die, whichever can come first. An alarming message for change within sent by some retrogressive element in this more recently was in honors granted in a re-appearance and rehabilitation of the Wilsons, Neil Patterson, Abramson and some others being brought up and placed seated on stage at the 40th anniversary celebration of MIU. Is that a movement that people would come back to, going forward? # ..when did the movement change? Bhairitu writes: After the AE courses. Some teachers came back and assumed being TM Gestapo. Most of them were very mediocre souls probably lifetimes away from attaining any permanent state of enlightenment. They were rude and mean to other teachers and made pronouncement as if they had a stick up their butt. That's when folks started fleeing elsewhere. ..I've been away from the TMO since 1985 but I seem to recall some of them got drummed out themselves. They never bothered me but I sure heard stories from people who were their victims. Sometimes what goes around comes around. # Are any of them still in charge of anything:? L Discussing: “One thing which is interesting here is that this movement was founded by people who had a distinct lack of the first list and an abundance of the second list. To take a year off college and go to a 3-month TM TTC in 1972 required a great lack of obedience, compliance, conformity, discipline and adherence; and a great abundance of authenticity, self-direction, self-expression, appreciation of diversity, critical analysis, and playfulness. When did we change?” ..when did the movement change? As the culture of the movement became TM-siddhis centric. Back when the metric changed from numbers of meditators and the teaching of TM over to groups of people practicing TM-yogic-flying. The friendly, compassionate, and happy movement became something else under a new administrative leadership with a different mission from then. Discussing: “Specifically, our community culture highly values: obedience, compliance, conformity, discipline and adherence. These values go directly against the grain of: creativity, authenticity, self-direction, self-expression, appreciation of diversity, critical analysis, and playfulness which are generally the characteristics of later stages of development.” ..Discussion: I feel this is a very powerful way of analyzing. ..examples of our community culture valuing “conformity,” for example? LEnglish5 wrote : I think you're wrong all the way across the board in your conclusinos, even if you make partially valid points. The TM organization appears to be thriving, and on the verge of being 100x laster than it has ever been, while being recognized by the largest organizations in the world as being
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I've been away from the TMO since 1985 but I seem to recall some of them got drummed out themselves. They never bothered me but I sure heard stories from people who were their victims. Sometimes what goes around comes around. On 04/12/2015 03:20 PM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: Are any of them still in charge of anything:? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Really? You weren't around back then to see these goons? Maybe you would have liked these types. It's a wonder they didn't wear jackboots. On 04/12/2015 01:30 PM, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Most of them were very mediocre souls probably lifetimes away from attaining any permanent state of enlightenment. Judgmental much? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 04/12/2015 12:56 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Discussing: “One thing which is interesting here is that this movement was founded by people who had a distinct lack of the first list and an abundance of the second list. To take a year off college and go to a 3-month TM TTC in 1972 required a great lack of obedience, compliance, conformity, discipline and adherence; and a great abundance of authenticity, self-direction, self-expression, appreciation of diversity, critical analysis, and playfulness. When did we change?” ..when did the movement change? After the AE courses. Some teachers came back and assumed being TM Gestapo. Most of them were very mediocre souls probably lifetimes away from attaining any permanent state of enlightenment. They were rude and mean to other teachers and made pronouncement as if they had a stick up their butt. That's when folks started fleeing elsewhere. Sorta reminds me of the Wayward Pines trailer I just posted.
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“Specifically, our community culture highly values: obedience, compliance, conformity, discipline and adherence. These values go directly against the grain of: creativity, authenticity, self-direction, self-expression, appreciation of diversity, critical analysis, and playfulness which are generally the characteristics of later stages of development.” Discussion: I feel this is a very powerful way of analyzing. ..examples of our community culture valuing “conformity,” for example? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yes, granted that in places the TM movement is progressing. That evidently depends though on people and a character of the people involved how it is going. In Latin America pretty obviously it is happening because of the integrity of the person there leading it. Elsewhere the TM movement is pretty small. They guy in Latin Am. is way inclusive in language and nature, sort of like the new pope, and simply teaching TM. At the level of the Global Country of World Peace it evidently is way exclusive as a faith-based organization. Their GCWP is a very small organization actually. It is some numbers of hundreds. It seems is not out of the woods yet, post MMY: 'All chiefs and no indians', as the old saying went.. And certainly no young leaders on the stage or at the microphones yet at important functions. The Global Country is about 30 Rajas and some 'Ministers' like Bevan and Neil holding fast to the movement tiller and microphone. Lot of the Rajas evidently bailed in various ways. A meditator community observer here with a valid Dome badge watching their meetings and videos comments, 'they should look and see if anyone is following'. By contrast, I was up at Mayo Clinic last week. Consistently rated at the top in healthcare, their contrast in organizational culture of ease, fluidity, collaboration, graciousness, mission of service, focus and outcome is spectacular by contrast with the halting organizational cultural of fears endemic within organizational TM. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : I think you're wrong all the way across the board in your conclusinos, even if you make partially valid points. The TM organization appears to be thriving, and on the verge of being 100x laster than it has ever been, while being recognized by the largest organizations in the world as being important. Of course, that last may never happen, but what if does? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I suspect Michael, that Maharishi as a young spiritual groupie was much like the people who eventually surrounded him, with that bright naive sense that everything would be grand. And then the reality of the world, the incapacities of the people, began to set in. Nothing goes the way you think it will go (though statistically there are always a few people who are on the lucky end of the curve). He did acknowledge there would be a flaw that would derail the whole thing. But there is always more than one way for something to come off the rails, and it can come from inside oneself just as well as from outside. Creating an organisation, especially a large one, is one way to bollix up the works because resources that might have been used to supposedly enlighten people have to be diverted to support and sustain the organisation. The organisation then becomes a vampire that sucks its supposed beneficiaries dry in order to sustain itself. Anyone at the head of such an organisation who has personal issues or flaws in relation to its stated mission becomes a major distorting factor in its growth, along with the flaws of all the rest who become part of it. Add to that that enlightenment offers nothing in the end except the knowledge that there was nothing to get in the first place and cuts you loose to live your life independently means those few who do 'succeed' in getting what this truly odd business of 'spiritual' growth is about are not usually going to be enthusiastic about being surrounded by spiritual cretins and their inept dreams of a utopia. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Too bad he was a damnable liar. From: email4you mikemail4you@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 5:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] ~~ about friendship ~~~ [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) https://us-mg6.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=1m3eulnvn0j8u#TopText from email4you included below] I will fill the world with Love, and create Heaven on Earth. Maharishi,1959 Jai Guru Dev Stationery, a Yahoo Mail and Paperless Post collaboration https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/features/stationery
Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
..when did the movement change? As the culture of the movement became TM-siddhis centric. Back when the metric changed from numbers of meditators and the teaching of TM over to groups of people practicing TM-yogic-flying. The friendly, compassionate, and happy movement became something else under a new administrative leadership with a different mission from then. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : “Specifically, our community culture highly values: obedience, compliance, conformity, discipline and adherence. These values go directly against the grain of: creativity, authenticity, self-direction, self-expression, appreciation of diversity, critical analysis, and playfulness which are generally the characteristics of later stages of development.” ..Discussion: I feel this is a very powerful way of analyzing. ..examples of our community culture valuing “conformity,” for example? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yes, granted that in places the TM movement is progressing. That evidently depends though on people and a character of the people involved how it is going. In Latin America pretty obviously it is happening because of the integrity of the person there leading it. Elsewhere the TM movement is pretty small. They guy in Latin Am. is way inclusive in language and nature, sort of like the new pope, and simply teaching TM. At the level of the Global Country of World Peace it evidently is way exclusive as a faith-based organization. Their GCWP is a very small organization actually. It is some numbers of hundreds. It seems is not out of the woods yet, post MMY: 'All chiefs and no indians', as the old saying went.. And certainly no young leaders on the stage or at the microphones yet at important functions. The Global Country is about 30 Rajas and some 'Ministers' like Bevan and Neil holding fast to the movement tiller and microphone. Lot of the Rajas evidently bailed in various ways. A meditator community observer here with a valid Dome badge watching their meetings and videos comments, 'they should look and see if anyone is following'. By contrast, I was up at Mayo Clinic last week. Consistently rated at the top in healthcare, their contrast in organizational culture of ease, fluidity, collaboration, graciousness, mission of service, focus and outcome is spectacular by contrast with the halting organizational cultural of fears endemic within organizational TM. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : I think you're wrong all the way across the board in your conclusinos, even if you make partially valid points. The TM organization appears to be thriving, and on the verge of being 100x laster than it has ever been, while being recognized by the largest organizations in the world as being important. Of course, that last may never happen, but what if does? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I suspect Michael, that Maharishi as a young spiritual groupie was much like the people who eventually surrounded him, with that bright naive sense that everything would be grand. And then the reality of the world, the incapacities of the people, began to set in. Nothing goes the way you think it will go (though statistically there are always a few people who are on the lucky end of the curve). He did acknowledge there would be a flaw that would derail the whole thing. But there is always more than one way for something to come off the rails, and it can come from inside oneself just as well as from outside. Creating an organisation, especially a large one, is one way to bollix up the works because resources that might have been used to supposedly enlighten people have to be diverted to support and sustain the organisation. The organisation then becomes a vampire that sucks its supposed beneficiaries dry in order to sustain itself. Anyone at the head of such an organisation who has personal issues or flaws in relation to its stated mission becomes a major distorting factor in its growth, along with the flaws of all the rest who become part of it. Add to that that enlightenment offers nothing in the end except the knowledge that there was nothing to get in the first place and cuts you loose to live your life independently means those few who do 'succeed' in getting what this truly odd business of 'spiritual' growth is about are not usually going to be enthusiastic about being surrounded by spiritual cretins and their inept dreams of a utopia. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Too bad he was a damnable liar. From: email4you mikemail4you@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 5:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] ~~ about friendship ~~~ [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s)
Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
Really? You weren't around back then to see these goons? Maybe you would have liked these types. It's a wonder they didn't wear jackboots. On 04/12/2015 01:30 PM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: Most of them were very mediocre souls probably lifetimes away from attaining any permanent state of enlightenment. Judgmental much? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 04/12/2015 12:56 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Discussing: “One thing which is interesting here is that this movement was founded by people who had a distinct lack of the first list and an abundance of the second list. To take a year off college and go to a 3-month TM TTC in 1972 required a great lack of obedience, compliance, conformity, discipline and adherence; and a great abundance of authenticity, self-direction, self-expression, appreciation of diversity, critical analysis, and playfulness. When did we change?” ..when did the movement change? After the AE courses. Some teachers came back and assumed being TM Gestapo. Most of them were very mediocre souls probably lifetimes away from attaining any permanent state of enlightenment. They were rude and mean to other teachers and made pronouncement as if they had a stick up their butt. That's when folks started fleeing elsewhere. Sorta reminds me of the Wayward Pines trailer I just posted.
Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
Discussing: “One thing which is interesting here is that this movement was founded by people who had a distinct lack of the first list and an abundance of the second list. To take a year off college and go to a 3-month TM TTC in 1972 required a great lack of obedience, compliance, conformity, discipline and adherence; and a great abundance of authenticity, self-direction, self-expression, appreciation of diversity, critical analysis, and playfulness. When did we change?” ..when did the movement change? As the culture of the movement became TM-siddhis centric. Back when the metric changed from numbers of meditators and the teaching of TM over to groups of people practicing TM-yogic-flying. The friendly, compassionate, and happy movement became something else under a new administrative leadership with a different mission from then. Discussing: “Specifically, our community culture highly values: obedience, compliance, conformity, discipline and adherence. These values go directly against the grain of: creativity, authenticity, self-direction, self-expression, appreciation of diversity, critical analysis, and playfulness which are generally the characteristics of later stages of development.” ..Discussion: I feel this is a very powerful way of analyzing. ..examples of our community culture valuing “conformity,” for example? LEnglish5 wrote : I think you're wrong all the way across the board in your conclusinos, even if you make partially valid points. The TM organization appears to be thriving, and on the verge of being 100x laster than it has ever been, while being recognized by the largest organizations in the world as being important. Of course, that last may never happen, but what if does? L Yes, granted that in places the TM movement is progressing. That evidently depends though on people and a character of the people involved how it is going. In Latin America pretty obviously it is happening because of the integrity of the person there leading it. Elsewhere the TM movement is pretty small. They guy in Latin Am. is way inclusive in language and nature, sort of like the new pope, and simply teaching TM. At the level of the Global Country of World Peace it evidently is way exclusive as a faith-based organization. Their GCWP is a very small organization actually. It is some numbers of hundreds. It seems is not out of the woods yet, post MMY: 'All chiefs and no indians', as the old saying went.. And certainly no young leaders on the stage or at the microphones yet at important functions. The Global Country is about 30 Rajas and some 'Ministers' like Bevan and Neil holding fast to the movement tiller and microphone. Lot of the Rajas evidently bailed in various ways. A meditator community observer here with a valid Dome badge watching their meetings and videos comments, 'they should look and see if anyone is following'. By contrast, I was up at Mayo Clinic last week. Consistently rated at the top in healthcare, their contrast in organizational culture of ease, fluidity, collaboration, graciousness, mission of service, focus and outcome is spectacular by contrast with the halting organizational cultural of fears endemic within organizational TM. anartaxius wrote : I suspect Michael, that Maharishi as a young spiritual groupie was much like the people who eventually surrounded him, with that bright naive sense that everything would be grand. And then the reality of the world, the incapacities of the people, began to set in. Nothing goes the way you think it will go (though statistically there are always a few people who are on the lucky end of the curve). He did acknowledge there would be a flaw that would derail the whole thing. But there is always more than one way for something to come off the rails, and it can come from inside oneself just as well as from outside. Creating an organisation, especially a large one, is one way to bollix up the works because resources that might have been used to supposedly enlighten people have to be diverted to support and sustain the organisation. The organisation then becomes a vampire that sucks its supposed beneficiaries dry in order to sustain itself. Anyone at the head of such an organisation who has personal issues or flaws in relation to its stated mission becomes a major distorting factor in its growth, along with the flaws of all the rest who become part of it. Add to that that enlightenment offers nothing in the end except the knowledge that there was nothing to get in the first place and cuts you loose to live your life independently means those few who do 'succeed' in getting what this truly odd business of 'spiritual' growth is about are not usually going to be enthusiastic about being surrounded by spiritual cretins and their inept dreams of a utopia. mjackson74 wrote : Too bad he was a damnable liar. From: email4you
Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
On 04/12/2015 12:56 PM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Discussing: “One thing which is interesting here is that this movement was founded by people who had a distinct lack of the first list and an abundance of the second list. To take a year off college and go to a 3-month TM TTC in 1972 required a great lack of obedience, compliance, conformity, discipline and adherence; and a great abundance of authenticity, self-direction, self-expression, appreciation of diversity, critical analysis, and playfulness. When did we change?” ..when did the movement change? After the AE courses. Some teachers came back and assumed being TM Gestapo. Most of them were very mediocre souls probably lifetimes away from attaining any permanent state of enlightenment. They were rude and mean to other teachers and made pronouncement as if they had a stick up their butt. That's when folks started fleeing elsewhere. Sorta reminds me of the Wayward Pines trailer I just posted.
Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
Most of them were very mediocre souls probably lifetimes away from attaining any permanent state of enlightenment. Judgmental much? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 04/12/2015 12:56 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Discussing: “One thing which is interesting here is that this movement was founded by people who had a distinct lack of the first list and an abundance of the second list. To take a year off college and go to a 3-month TM TTC in 1972 required a great lack of obedience, compliance, conformity, discipline and adherence; and a great abundance of authenticity, self-direction, self-expression, appreciation of diversity, critical analysis, and playfulness. When did we change?” ..when did the movement change? After the AE courses. Some teachers came back and assumed being TM Gestapo. Most of them were very mediocre souls probably lifetimes away from attaining any permanent state of enlightenment. They were rude and mean to other teachers and made pronouncement as if they had a stick up their butt. That's when folks started fleeing elsewhere. Sorta reminds me of the Wayward Pines trailer I just posted.
Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about TMO friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
Are any of them still in charge of anything:? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Really? You weren't around back then to see these goons? Maybe you would have liked these types. It's a wonder they didn't wear jackboots. On 04/12/2015 01:30 PM, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Most of them were very mediocre souls probably lifetimes away from attaining any permanent state of enlightenment. Judgmental much? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 04/12/2015 12:56 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Discussing: “One thing which is interesting here is that this movement was founded by people who had a distinct lack of the first list and an abundance of the second list. To take a year off college and go to a 3-month TM TTC in 1972 required a great lack of obedience, compliance, conformity, discipline and adherence; and a great abundance of authenticity, self-direction, self-expression, appreciation of diversity, critical analysis, and playfulness. When did we change?” ..when did the movement change? After the AE courses. Some teachers came back and assumed being TM Gestapo. Most of them were very mediocre souls probably lifetimes away from attaining any permanent state of enlightenment. They were rude and mean to other teachers and made pronouncement as if they had a stick up their butt. That's when folks started fleeing elsewhere. Sorta reminds me of the Wayward Pines trailer I just posted.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century
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[FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century
Imagine 21st century yoga centers for every million population that bring the light of Maharishi's teachings in a way that approaches all things anew. David Lynch and Bob Roth have the intention of teaching millions of people TM. Along with intention, illumined attention and creative intelligence . . . It takes money, and the trick to money is knowing where it is and knowing how to gather it. Growing a small account to a very large and growing account isn't difficult if you know how. It begins with knowing the possibilities and not making any ungrounded assessments. Imagine self-sustaining, fully-funded centers, with highly qualified and paid teachers offering affordable Maharishi-inspired Vedic education everywhere in our global village. If there are any computer programers, MQL4 developers or Forex traders interested in exploring the possibilities, send me an email. http://www.TradeWynds.net/ http://www.TradeWynds.net/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century
Imagine in the 1970s when TM was in it's prime the only competition were organizations where folks might wind up wearing kurtajamis. IOW, TM was successful then because of it's secularness. But though there had been yogis visiting the US since Vivekananda this was the age of mass media and the Beatles sprung TM into the public eye. Fast forward 40 years and there is more competition. Yoga has become quite a fad. Why spend nearly $1000 when you can do a weekend workshop and learn to meditate for far less? And there are more types of meditation courses available. 40 years ago the public knew little about meditation and now they have a lot more information available. There's nothing special about beej mantra meditation often sometimes practiced in India with no initiation. If people want to do TM, then fine, but let's cut the hyperbole. It makes fans look ignorant. On 04/08/2015 12:09 PM, tradewynds...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Imagine 21st century yoga centers for every million population that bring the light of Maharishi's teachings in a way that approaches all things anew. David Lynch and Bob Roth have the intention of teaching millions of people TM. Along with intention, illumined attention and creative intelligence . . . It takes money, and the trick to money is knowing where it is and knowing how to gather it. Growing a small account to a very large and growing account isn't difficult if you know how. It begins with knowing the possibilities and not making any ungrounded assessments. Imagine self-sustaining, fully-funded centers, with highly qualified and paid teachers offering affordable Maharishi-inspired Vedic education everywhere in our global village. If there are any computer programers, MQL4 developers or Forex traders interested in exploring the possibilities, send me an email. http://www.TradeWynds.net/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century
I would rather send you a picture of my middle finger sticking up.
Marshy was a liar, cheat and thief, not to mention a con artist.
His teachings were a mish mash of Hindu religion, belief with a big old dose
of superstition thrown in.
ANY organization that purports to spread Marshy's teachings is something that
should be shut down.
And if you are part of the Movement, you motives are obvious, if you are not an
official Movement big shot, then you are stupid if you think the Movement is
going to do anything with any money you give them besides make it disappear as
they have always done.
You website is one big red flag. A lot of platitudes and no real description of
what you want people to do. No thanks!
From: tradewynds...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 3:09 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century
Imagine 21st century yoga centers for every million population that bring the
light of Maharishi's
teachings in a way that approaches all things anew.
David Lynch and Bob Roth have the intention of teaching millions of people TM.
Along with intention, illumined attention and creative intelligence . . .
It takes money, and the trick to money is knowing where it is and knowing how
to gather it.
Growing a small account to a very large and growing account isn't difficult if
you know how.
It begins with knowing the possibilities and not making any ungrounded
assessments.
Imagine self-sustaining, fully-funded centers, with highly qualified and paid
teachers offering affordable Maharishi-inspired Vedic education everywhere in
our global village.
If there are any computer programers, MQL4 developers or Forex traders
interested in exploring the possibilities, send me an email.
http://www.TradeWynds.net/
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Re: [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century
Is this the picture you're looking for? :-D http://funnyand.com/funny-man-meditating-middle-finger/ On 04/08/2015 01:18 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I would rather send you a picture of my middle finger sticking up. Marshy was a liar, cheat and thief, not to mention a con artist. His teachings were a mish mash of Hindu religion, belief with a big old dose of superstition thrown in. ANY organization that purports to spread Marshy's teachings is something that should be shut down. And if you are part of the Movement, you motives are obvious, if you are not an official Movement big shot, then you are stupid if you think the Movement is going to do anything with any money you give them besides make it disappear as they have always done. You website is one big red flag. A lot of platitudes and no real description of what you want people to do. No thanks! *From:* tradewynds...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2015 3:09 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century Imagine 21st century yoga centers for every million population that bring the light of Maharishi's teachings in a way that approaches all things anew. David Lynch and Bob Roth have the intention of teaching millions of people TM. Along with intention, illumined attention and creative intelligence . . . It takes money, and the trick to money is knowing where it is and knowing how to gather it. Growing a small account to a very large and growing account isn't difficult if you know how. It begins with knowing the possibilities and not making any ungrounded assessments. Imagine self-sustaining, fully-funded centers, with highly qualified and paid teachers offering affordable Maharishi-inspired Vedic education everywhere in our global village. If there are any computer programers, MQL4 developers or Forex traders interested in exploring the possibilities, send me an email. http://www.TradeWynds.net/ http://www.tradewynds.net/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century
There's just no way the Maharishi can compare to all your accomplishments. LoL! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I would rather send you a picture of my middle finger sticking up. Marshy was a liar, cheat and thief, not to mention a con artist. His teachings were a mish mash of Hindu religion, belief with a big old dose of superstition thrown in. ANY organization that purports to spread Marshy's teachings is something that should be shut down. And if you are part of the Movement, you motives are obvious, if you are not an official Movement big shot, then you are stupid if you think the Movement is going to do anything with any money you give them besides make it disappear as they have always done. You website is one big red flag. A lot of platitudes and no real description of what you want people to do. No thanks! From: tradewyndsnet@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 3:09 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century Imagine 21st century yoga centers for every million population that bring the light of Maharishi's teachings in a way that approaches all things anew. David Lynch and Bob Roth have the intention of teaching millions of people TM. Along with intention, illumined attention and creative intelligence . . . It takes money, and the trick to money is knowing where it is and knowing how to gather it. Growing a small account to a very large and growing account isn't difficult if you know how. It begins with knowing the possibilities and not making any ungrounded assessments. Imagine self-sustaining, fully-funded centers, with highly qualified and paid teachers offering affordable Maharishi-inspired Vedic education everywhere in our global village. If there are any computer programers, MQL4 developers or Forex traders interested in exploring the possibilities, send me an email. http://www.TradeWynds.net/ http://www.tradewynds.net/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century
That's about it! And isn't there some FFL rule against posting that kind of
solicitation?
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century
Is this the picture you're looking for? :-D
http://funnyand.com/funny-man-meditating-middle-finger/
On 04/08/2015 01:18 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
I would rather send you a picture of my middle finger sticking up.
Marshy was a liar, cheat and thief, not to mention a con artist.
His teachings were a mish mash of Hindu religion, belief with a big old
dose of superstition thrown in.
ANY organization that purports to spread Marshy's teachings is something
that should be shut down.
And if you are part of the Movement, you motives are obvious, if you are not
an official Movement big shot, then you are stupid if you think the Movement is
going to do anything with any money you give them besides make it disappear as
they have always done.
You website is one big red flag. A lot of platitudes and no real description
of what you want people to do. No thanks!
From: tradewynds...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 3:09 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century
Imagine 21st century yoga centers for every million population that bring the
light of Maharishi's
teachings in a way that approaches all things anew.
David Lynch and Bob Roth have the intention of teaching millions of people TM.
Along with intention, illumined attention and creative intelligence . . .
It takes money, and the trick to money is knowing where it is and knowing how
to gather it.
Growing a small account to a very large and growing account isn't difficult
if you know how.
It begins with knowing the possibilities and not making any ungrounded
assessments.
Imagine self-sustaining, fully-funded centers, with highly qualified and paid
teachers offering affordable Maharishi-inspired Vedic education everywhere in
our global village.
If there are any computer programers, MQL4 developers or Forex traders
interested in exploring the possibilities, send me an email.
http://www.TradeWynds.net/
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Re: [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century
Bingo! This site just s c r e a m s SCAM. Anyone who invests there kinda
deserves to lose their money.
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2015 1:13 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century
That's about it! And isn't there some FFL rule against posting that kind of
solicitation?
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century
Is this the picture you're looking for? :-D
http://funnyand.com/funny-man-meditating-middle-finger/
On 04/08/2015 01:18 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
I would rather send you a picture of my middle finger sticking up.
Marshy was a liar, cheat and thief, not to mention a con artist.
His teachings were a mish mash of Hindu religion, belief with a big old
dose of superstition thrown in.
ANY organization that purports to spread Marshy's teachings is something
that should be shut down.
And if you are part of the Movement, you motives are obvious, if you are not
an official Movement big shot, then you are stupid if you think the Movement is
going to do anything with any money you give them besides make it disappear as
they have always done.
You website is one big red flag. A lot of platitudes and no real description
of what you want people to do. No thanks!
From: tradewynds...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 3:09 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century
Imagine 21st century yoga centers for every million population that bring the
light of Maharishi's
teachings in a way that approaches all things anew.
David Lynch and Bob Roth have the intention of teaching millions of people TM.
Along with intention, illumined attention and creative intelligence . . .
It takes money, and the trick to money is knowing where it is and knowing how
to gather it.
Growing a small account to a very large and growing account isn't difficult
if you know how.
It begins with knowing the possibilities and not making any ungrounded
assessments.
Imagine self-sustaining, fully-funded centers, with highly qualified and paid
teachers offering affordable Maharishi-inspired Vedic education everywhere in
our global village.
If there are any computer programers, MQL4 developers or Forex traders
interested in exploring the possibilities, send me an email.
http://www.TradeWynds.net/
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Why TMO don't like GMO'sTony had his books GHOST written!
Which was ghost written, Fagan's material or Nader's book? From: wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Why TMO don't like GMO'sTony had his books GHOST written! Yes Ghost written for the most part later more errors when found which were NOT not noticed by the mainly Purusha writers were then corrected subsequently up dated in several revisions In a message dated 12/18/2014 12:28:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, no_re...@yahoogroups.com writes: I met John Fagan once, just after he'd announced his rejection of government funding (I think it was) for doing research into GMO's. He came over to do some promotion work with the Natural Law Party who had joined the coalition of the willing in raising public awareness about GM tech. Fagan did a lecture at a London university that was quite interesting, he concentrated on the trouble with the unforseen consequences of meddling with nature and the inadequate testing involved in GM safety. However, he promised us TMers with a special lecture at HQ that I was looking forward to as I thought he might be a bit more technical about DNA and how it all works but all he had was the SCI consciousness angle. Apparently Maharihsi had been telling him that GMO's disrupt the natural flow of knowledge from the unified field and would prevent us getting enlightened. It depressed me at the time as it was like an intro lecture instead of some hard science. It would tie in well with King Tony's books though so I'm surprised we never heard more about it. It might have given John Hagelin a chance to get his string theories into the food chain too. The trouble with this SCI approach was that they couldn't say any of it public and had to hide behind the non-existent evidence against GMO which amounted to fear of the unknown or distaste at mixing genes from different species. Consequently they looked a bit out of place at most of the anti-GM conventions we attended. Just for once I'd like to have seen them stand up and say what they really think in public, it would have raised a few eyebrows amongst all the proper scientists present! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Given the fact that Fagan is one and has been one of the TM elite scientists, excuse me, so called scientists whom Marshy used to puff up the reputation of TM and the TMO with questionable assertions over scientific proof that TM is good good good, given the fact that the Marshy and the Movement lied and lies about: The mantras The provenance of TM itself The effects of TM (as in overstating the positive effects of TM) Lying about the lack of unpleasant effects of TM and the TMSP Lying about the Marshy Effect Lying about the effect of yagyas Lying about the use of money And on and on, what are the odds that a TM insider who is using an official TMO position on GMO crops to make money is doing so only from altruistic motives? From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Why the TMO don't like GMO's We have adobe soil here not sand. But adobe soil is bad enough because it puts my doors out of whack when the moisture changes. No, I see no problem in Fagan marketing a testing system. It's his company isn't it not the TMO? Besides that's a bristling business and he will have plenty of competition. And not everything the TMO does is bad. On 12/17/2014 09:56 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: You either have you head in the sand or you are much more forgiving than I am. When someone who is an insider in the TMO which itself is famous for saying one thing and doing another, and famous for taking money through subterfuge and false pretenses come out swinging at a particular windmill and then, under the radar sets up a company that charges big money to do what he is calling EVERYONE to do, then it raises the red flag. Plus Fagan is not calling for an END to GMO's - he just wants to be the go to guy to TEST for GMO's. Take note of the article that Fagan was lobbying the US gov'ment to implement HIS testing method. Fagan has lobbied the FDA to adopt his genetic labeling certification method as the official U.S. standard He likes GMO's cuz he makes money off of them. If he was really agin GMO's he would be out there trying to stop them, not test for them. He is using the same tactics Marshy taught him - cry wolf and get the government to pay for it. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Why the TMO don't like GMO's I sure can't see what
Re: [FairfieldLife] Why TMO don't like GMO'sTony had his books GHOST written!
Yes Ghost written for the most part later more errors when found which were NOT not noticed by the mainly Purusha writers were then corrected subsequently up dated in several revisions In a message dated 12/18/2014 12:28:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, no_re...@yahoogroups.com writes: I met John Fagan once, just after he'd announced his rejection of government funding (I think it was) for doing research into GMO's. He came over to do some promotion work with the Natural Law Party who had joined the coalition of the willing in raising public awareness about GM tech. Fagan did a lecture at a London university that was quite interesting, he concentrated on the trouble with the unforseen consequences of meddling with nature and the inadequate testing involved in GM safety. However, he promised us TMers with a special lecture at HQ that I was looking forward to as I thought he might be a bit more technical about DNA and how it all works but all he had was the SCI consciousness angle. Apparently Maharihsi had been telling him that GMO's disrupt the natural flow of knowledge from the unified field and would prevent us getting enlightened. It depressed me at the time as it was like an intro lecture instead of some hard science. It would tie in well with King Tony's books though so I'm surprised we never heard more about it. It might have given John Hagelin a chance to get his string theories into the food chain too. The trouble with this SCI approach was that they couldn't say any of it public and had to hide behind the non-existent evidence against GMO which amounted to fear of the unknown or distaste at mixing genes from different species. Consequently they looked a bit out of place at most of the anti-GM conventions we attended. Just for once I'd like to have seen them stand up and say what they really think in public, it would have raised a few eyebrows amongst all the proper scientists present! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Given the fact that Fagan is one and has been one of the TM elite scientists, excuse me, so called scientists whom Marshy used to puff up the repu tation of TM and the TMO with questionable assertions over scientific proof that TM is good good good, given the fact that the Marshy and the Movement lied and lies about: The mantras The provenance of TM itself The effects of TM (as in overstating the positive effects of TM) Lying about the lack of unpleasant effects of TM and the TMSP Lying about the Marshy Effect Lying about the effect of yagyas Lying about the use of money And on and on, what are the odds that a TM insider who is using an official TMO position on GMO crops to make money is doing so only from altruistic motives? From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Why the TMO don't like GMO's We have adobe soil here not sand. But adobe soil is bad enough because it puts my doors out of whack when the moisture changes. No, I see no problem in Fagan marketing a testing system. It's his company isn't it not the TMO? Besides that's a bristling business and he will have plenty of competition. And not everything the TMO does is bad. On 12/17/2014 09:56 AM, Michael Jackson _mjackson74@..._ (mailto:mjackson74@...) [FairfieldLife] wrote: You either have you head in the sand or you are much more forgiving than I am. When someone who is an insider in the TMO which itself is famous for saying one thing and doing another, and famous for taking money through subterfuge and false pretenses come out swinging at a particular windmill and then, under the radar sets up a company that charges big money to do what he is calling EVERYONE to do, then it raises the red flag. Plus Fagan is not calling for an END to GMO's - he just wants to be the go to guy to TEST for GMO's. Take note of the article that Fagan was lobbying the US gov'ment to implement HIS testing method. Fagan has lobbied the FDA to adopt his genetic labeling certification method as the official U.S. standard He likes GMO's cuz he makes money off of them. If he was really agin GMO's he would be out there trying to stop them, not test for them. He is using the same tactics Marshy taught him - cry wolf and get the government to pay for it. From: Bhairitu _noozguru@..._ (mailto:noozguru@...) [FairfieldLife] _FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) To: _FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Why the TMO don't like GMO's I sure can't see what is wrong
[FairfieldLife] The TMO
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Re: [FairfieldLife] The TMO
*Nothing exists except atoms and empty space; everything else is opinion. -Democritus* On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 8:3x5 PM, Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: http://i.imgur.com/rzwt7OB.jpg
[FairfieldLife] The TMO Disease: Hypochondria
I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the whole faux outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't need to do it again vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have managed to remain remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to go there and put any attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on? Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the health care industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma, but most are just everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or chiropractic or some alternative practice or some mainstream specialty like cardiovascular medicine. And to a person I don't think any of them would disagree with the comments one of them put on the T-shirt below (some MDs might get a bit of a hitch in their panties over the mention of chiropractic, but that's about it). Most of them would LOVE it if their patients would just pay more attention to their diets and to getting enough exercise. But they don't. They want a quick cure. And they want it whether it comes from a Big Pharma pill or a homeopathic sugar pill or a Chinese tonic or an Ayurvedic potion. Health care providers -- whoever they are -- get pushed into the savior role because people go to them demanding the quick cure and shouting Cure me, cure me! They're not willing to do the work every day that keeps them healthy in the first place, so they expect someone else to do it for them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The TMO Disease: Hypochondria
On 8/26/2014 5:04 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the whole faux outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't need to do it again vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have managed to remain remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to go there and put any attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on? Well, I hope this isn't an example of your science writing! As a science writer you should know that some types of diabetes is partly inherited. According to my research, a lack of exercise is believed to cause 7% of cases. There is no known preventive measure for type 1 diabetes. Diabetes mellitus is a chronic disease, for which there is no known cure. Prevention and treatment involves a healthy diet, physical exercise, not using tobacco, and being a normal body weight. So, we eat right tokeep fit and go to the YMCA every day to get some exercise. /Your health is your greatest wealth./ Hypochondriasis or hypochondria (sometimes referred to as health phobia or health anxiety) refers to excessive preoccupancy or worry about having a serious illness. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypochondriasis Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the health care industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma, but most are just everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or chiropractic or some alternative practice or some mainstream specialty like cardiovascular medicine. And to a person I don't think any of them would disagree with the comments one of them put on the T-shirt below (some MDs might get a bit of a hitch in their panties over the mention of chiropractic, but that's about it). Most of them would LOVE it if their patients would just pay more attention to their diets and to getting enough exercise. But they don't. They want a quick cure. And they want it whether it comes from a Big Pharma pill or a homeopathic sugar pill or a Chinese tonic or an Ayurvedic potion. Health care providers -- whoever they are -- get pushed into the savior role because people go to them demanding the quick cure and shouting Cure me, cure me! They're not willing to do the work every day that keeps them healthy in the first place, so they expect someone else to do it for them. https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10170738_10151974954190877_1522489666_n.jpg?oh=74692e375a35b42f8feb970483dd07a8oe=546C092C__gda__=1417619932_50e261c0c9ef425f537203bea722ab7c
[FairfieldLife] The TMO as a restaurant
Season 6 episode 16 of Kitchen Nightmares. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XjgHEctcy0 Samy and Amy would make great TB'ers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO trivia test question
Palase don't! I'll take a double frozen Margarita though! From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 4:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO trivia test question Give that man a cigar! --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Jerry Jarvis From: Duveyoung mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 2:00 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] TMO trivia test question  In the film, Silver Streak, at one point a person answers a phone call from the FBI to warn about the runaway train coming into the station at full speed. What was the name of the person who answered the phone?
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO trivia test question
Give that man a cigar! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Jerry Jarvis From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 2:00 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] TMO trivia test question  In the film, Silver Streak, at one point a person answers a phone call from the FBI to warn about the runaway train coming into the station at full speed. What was the name of the person who answered the phone?
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO - Part 2
LOL MUM is one of the Movement's largest cash cows... At first, I thought this was serious stuff. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: The Second Level of the TM Movement. Behind the scenes of Marshy have always been his three nephews, Anand and Ajay Srivastava, and Girish Chandra Varma. These boys, after Marshy, have reaped the majority of the financial rewards that Movement has taken in over the years. They keep Movement's begging wheels spinning eternally. The Third Level of the Movement: Marshy always had various lieutenants such as Charlie Lutes, Jerry Jarvis and others to do his bidding and carry out his orders. Some of them are dead, like Lutes and others like Jerry irritated Marshy and were relegated to positions of little importance or ejected from the Movement altogether. Others have stood the test of time, like Bevan Morris, Neil Patterson and of course, King Tony Nader. Of them all, Bevan has probably been with the Movement and was with Marshy the longest without being dismissed for not playing along with Marshy's demagoguery. Bevan was placed years ago in charge of one of the Movement's largest cash cows, Maharishi International University, renamed for some unknown reason as Maharishi University of Management which is a very apropos name as it mainly exists to manage the flow of funds from the United States to the TM Movement in Vlodrop, Holland and Marshy's India. People in the Movement like Bevan, Neil and Tony were the greatest enablers of Marshy and his enormities. They saw and either encouraged or condoned his lies. They knew that he was directing most of the money the Movement raised into his own hands and that of his family. Much worse in my opinion was each of his close lieutenants seeing and knowing Marshy washaving sex with women while claiming to be a life-long celibate monk and boldly telling both single and married women and men to be celibate, supposedly so their evolution would not suffer. In light of the fact that Marshy was having sex with the same women he was counseling, I believe he did it deliberately for two reasons â one reason was to maintain the illusion that he was a holy man, a celibate monk and the other reason was to make sure there was less competition for the women he targeted for relationships and also to make sure they would be good and horny when he came on to them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO - Part 4
Well, as Jerry Jarvis used to say with a twinkle in his eye, that's one way of looking at it. I'm a currency trader. I call the Forex, the streams of abundance. And find the key to success, the key to consistently turning small amounts of money into larger amounts, is to 'Want What The Market Wants'. I sense the purity of Maharishi's teaching, the effortless experience of finer, finer, finest state of the mantra, a mantra that each of us were asked and agreed to keep private, the transcending of the finest state of the mantra, over time, along with, especially with dynamic activity, specific activity that helps each of us in becoming that one true thing that only we can become, the two together, distinct but inseperable, like purusha and prakriti, transcending and specific dynamic activity, results in giving change an evolutionary direction. That would include, from one generation to another, an evolution of the TMO. Is Maharishi's teaching, is the TMO worth protecting? Will nature support it? Let Thy will be done . . . --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: The Seventh Level of the Movement: These are the people who have a greater degree of mental independence from the Movement than the Bliss Ninnys, yet they support the overall (deceitful) intent of the Movement which is no longer personal enlightenment, no longer global enlightenment but rather world peace through the so-called yogic flying program. These are the real enablers of the Movement because I believe they outnumber the TM True Believers who have no ability to discern truth from lies. The more independent TM'ers are able to discern truth, but they give the Movement a free pass, either ignoring Movement lies and various enormities or, if confronted with overwhelming evidence of wrongdoing, find excuses for the Movement behavior or just blatantly saying I don't care. I like TM and I think the Movement does more good than bad, and I think the good the Movement does outweighs and justifies its excesses and lies. Which is the same excuse they used to justify their lack of holding Marshy accountable for his enormities. When asked what good the Movement does, the response is usually the idea that one day world peace will result from Movement activities or that it is good for people to be introduced to the idea of freedom from attachment to the fruits of activity through meditation. These ridiculous notions ignore the fact that in nearly 60 years of TM practice and 38 years of TM Sidhi practice, the world is in much worse condition today than it was when the practices began. The excuses also ignore the fact that there are many people whose practice of TM had detrimental effects on their physical, mental, emotional and financial health. The Global Country of World Peace Marshy created the global country of world peace where the ministers administer this non-existent country from the level of awareness. Mostly what they administer is PR about how grand TM and its ancillary programs how, how you can donate money to the TM Movement and how that will one day create world peace. Enlightenment, once the corner stone of Marshy's pitch to the world, is rarely if ever mentioned. One wonders how, if we no longer are going to get enlightened, the practice of TM and its subsidiary programs will create world peace. You would think that after all the talk of enlightened leadership Marshy's Movement has done, one would need enlightened leaders to create and administrate world peace. Instead we rely on groups of people who have numerous personal problems themselves to create world peace with their consciousness by flying together, although no one actually flies and if personal stories are to be believed, many perform other techniques in the groups, sleep or just look around when others are bouncing around. While I am all in favor of world peace, I don't believe it will be created by an organization that has nothing more to offer than self-aggrandizement and the opportunity to donate money for endless projects that never materialize. And that's the TM Movement.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO - Part 4
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: mahaa-snepa today than it was when the practices began. The excuses also ignore the fact that there are many people whose practice of TM had detrimental effects on their physical, mental, emotional and financial health. I seem to think that's inevitable, because it seems not possible to cherry pick individuals that have primarily white (shukla) karma ripening, or stuff... :D
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO - Part one
Is that it? Is this the great expose? I think most of this came up the second week FFL was live. (-: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: If I have not caused many on FFL to despise me, this post will go a long way towards that end, not that it is intentional and even though I am going to have some fun with this, I am writing in a serious vein. My Description of the TM Movement The First Level of the Movement: It all started with Marshy, a scribe by caste, erroneously or deceitfully (take your pick) described for years as being from the warrior caste. This may have been due to white folk not understanding the difference between kayastha and kshatriya. Marshy was a follower of Swami Bramananda, and became his secretary. He was told by the Swami that he was a businessman and Marshy was no particular favorite of the Swami, just his scribe. After Swami Bramananda's death, Marshy wandered around for a while, then began to claim a special relationship with the Swami he did not have. Lying from the beginning, he eventually told everyone that Guru Dev, as he called the Swami, had given him the mantras and the charge to give the knowledge of spiritual freedom in enlightenment and the means to achieve enlightenment in this life to the people of the world. Marshy's wanderings eventually led him to the United States and England. In England he evidently like the appearance of the British gals who came to learn wisdom at his feet and began a decades long practice of attempting to seduce the ladies who came to him for spiritual guidance and enlightenment. Marshy also became very enamored of money and did all he could to collect as much as he could get, of course he wanted it to fund his world-wide movement which was dedicated to the betterment of mankind, tho much of his attention in the afterhours was devoted to womankind. His association with the Beatles led to a great deal of unexpected publicity which he used to the fullest extent possible to gain more converts. In those days his pitch was: the more people doing TM, the better the world would be. In a pre-cursor of what would become routine fear mongering with him, he made hints that nuclear war was a possibility if enough people did not do TM. As time went by he became more and more manipulative and began to concoct wilder and more outlandish schemes to defraud people of their money, gain their personal love and allegiance and for a few decades, get sex from those of his followers who were willing. Allegations have been made that in the times he was not successful in seducing women, he sent to India for Indian men to satisfy his sexual needs. Eventually, even with all the absurd fantasies he was promoting â enlightenment through TM, levitation and other super powers through the TM Sidhi program, perfect health through his brand of Ayurveda, improvement of life through his brand of Indian astrology, removal of bad karma with Hindu sacrifices (yagas), he became increasingly bizarre as his own set of karmas became manifest when he became increasingly senile. Eventually he led a Howard Hughes existence, cut off from the world by those who had everything to lose by revealing his actual mental and medical state. And so he died, reviled by those who saw through his façade, adored by those who allowed the Vedic wool to be pulled over their eyes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO - Part 2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: The Second Level of the TM Movement. Behind the scenes of Marshy have always been his three nephews, Anand and Ajay Srivastava, and Girish Chandra Varma. These boys, after Marshy, have reaped the majority of the financial rewards that Movement has taken in over the years. They keep Movement's begging wheels spinning eternally. The Third Level of the Movement: Marshy always had various lieutenants such as Charlie Lutes, Jerry Jarvis and others to do his bidding and carry out his orders. Some of them are dead, like Lutes and others like Jerry irritated Marshy and were relegated to positions of little importance or ejected from the Movement altogether. Others have stood the test of time, like Bevan Morris, Neil Patterson and of course, King Tony Nader. Of them all, Bevan has probably been with the Movement and was with Marshy the longest without being dismissed for not playing along with Marshy's demagoguery. Bevan was placed years ago in charge of one of the Movement's largest cash cows, Maharishi International University, renamed for some unknown reason as Maharishi University of Management which is a very apropos name as it mainly exists to manage the flow of funds from the United States to the TM Movement in Vlodrop, Holland and Marshy's India. People in the Movement like Bevan, Neil and Tony were the greatest enablers of Marshy and his enormities. They saw and either encouraged or condoned his lies. They knew that he was directing most of the money the Movement raised into his own hands and that of his family. Much worse in my opinion was each of his close lieutenants seeing and knowing Marshy washaving sex with women while claiming to be a life-long celibate monk and boldly telling both single and married women and men to be celibate, supposedly so their evolution would not suffer. In light of the fact that Marshy was having sex with the same women he was counseling, I believe he did it deliberately for two reasons â one reason was to maintain the illusion that he was a holy man, a celibate monk and the other reason was to make sure there was less competition for the women he targeted for relationships and also to make sure they would be good and horny when he came on to them. Michael, why didn't I think of that. Finally, someone who has finally connected all the dots. You have performed a service to mankind Michael. I hope this isn't the end of the expose!
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO - Part 3
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Fourth Level of the Movement: There are many other TM teachers (now Governors of the Age of Enlightenment) who were not as close to Marshy but served on his staff. And yet more who functioned all over the world doing the bidding of Marshy and whoever was his closest lieutenant of the moment. These are the men and women who believe absolutely that Marshy was enlightened, was a saint and was focused on bringing the entire world into a mythical state of Vedic Oneness with All the Laws of Nature. These are the men and women who carried out the orders of Marshy and the Movement, ignoring or mentally justifying any experiences of behavior on the part of Marshy and his minions at the top of the Movement that were not in keeping with the high ideals the Movement always espoused. These are men and women who were themselves often mistreated by people with greater power in the Movement, but who continued to believe that Marshy's work was so important that they themselves should accept whatever unfair or cruel treatment they were enduring for the greater good of their own eventual enlightenment and the enlightenment of the world. Fifth Level of the Movement: Regular people who began as simple TM meditators and later became sidhas also helped to keep the various TM Movement facilities around the world running smoothly. Some of them with assets did so by giving large amounts of money to the Movement for the many projects that Marshy repeatedly claimed would bring important good things to the world. Most of the money was of course used for the pleasure of Marshy and his family, and to build monuments to Marshy and his ego. Other people with no money or little money gave of their own physical labor and expertise in staffing long term or for temporary time periods the various Movement facilities and on various Movement related projects. Most of the time, these people worked on a volunteer basis. This volunteer program allowed the Movement to save itself, over time, hundreds of millions of dollars by not paying people what they deserved for their labor, and enabled the Movement to create one of the most egregious abuses of its history. In the early days of the Movement, it may have paid some of the people who worked for it, but soon the volunteer staff program was created. The term volunteer was and is a contradiction in terms since if one wanted to work for the TM Movement, the only choice one had was to work as an unpaid volunteer. The staff in TM facilities did receive small stipends of perhaps fifty to three hundred dollars per month. The lack of paying regular wages and salaries, the lack of workman's comp insurance, the lack of benefits and retirement for any and all of the TM staff including the professors at their university enabled the Movement to save many millions of dollars, and would often result in people being cast aside with no compensation of any kind when the people were no longer physically, emotionally or financially able to serve the Movement. Far from being an organization that uplifted people and made their lives better, the TM Movement has been an organization that has used people up, putting them in difficult situations physically, financially and emotionally. One of the dirty secrets that is not so secret, yet one which the Movement has never been willing to acknowledge, is the fact that often people who do TM have mental and emotional problems from the practice. It is called unstressing. In many instances people who live and work in Movement facilities have begun to manifest unstable mental and emotional states from doing TM. In such cases the Movement asks them to leave. Being asked to leave is the extent of the care and affection the people who have built and maintained the Movement receive from the Movement when they are no longer able to actively serve the Movement. Many of these fifth level Movement people are also true believers who think that Marshy can do no wrong, and that regardless of the excesses or omissions of the Movement itself, they feel that the overall goal of world enlightenment is worth what the Movement does to gain such a goal no matter what the cost to the true believers. The Sixth Level of the Movement: There are a number of sidhas, governors and non-governor TM teachers who do not work for the Movement, but believe TM is a good thing. These are the people who have some degree of independence from the Movement, yet support the Movement in all it does. These are the independent TM'ers who actually believe anything and everything the TMO brings down the pike. Shall we call this, Michael's Collected Papers. A good name I think.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO - Part 4
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: The Seventh Level of the Movement: These are the people who have a greater degree of mental independence from the Movement than the Bliss Ninnys, yet they support the overall (deceitful) intent of the Movement which is no longer personal enlightenment, no longer global enlightenment but rather world peace through the so-called yogic flying program. These are the real enablers of the Movement because I believe they outnumber the TM True Believers who have no ability to discern truth from lies. The more independent TM'ers are able to discern truth, but they give the Movement a free pass, either ignoring Movement lies and various enormities or, if confronted with overwhelming evidence of wrongdoing, find excuses for the Movement behavior or just blatantly saying I don't care. I like TM and I think the Movement does more good than bad, and I think the good the Movement does outweighs and justifies its excesses and lies. Which is the same excuse they used to justify their lack of holding Marshy accountable for his enormities. When asked what good the Movement does, the response is usually the idea that one day world peace will result from Movement activities or that it is good for people to be introduced to the idea of freedom from attachment to the fruits of activity through meditation. These ridiculous notions ignore the fact that in nearly 60 years of TM practice and 38 years of TM Sidhi practice, the world is in much worse condition today than it was when the practices began. The excuses also ignore the fact that there are many people whose practice of TM had detrimental effects on their physical, mental, emotional and financial health. The Global Country of World Peace Marshy created the global country of world peace where the ministers administer this non-existent country from the level of awareness. Mostly what they administer is PR about how grand TM and its ancillary programs how, how you can donate money to the TM Movement and how that will one day create world peace. Enlightenment, once the corner stone of Marshy's pitch to the world, is rarely if ever mentioned. One wonders how, if we no longer are going to get enlightened, the practice of TM and its subsidiary programs will create world peace. You would think that after all the talk of enlightened leadership Marshy's Movement has done, one would need enlightened leaders to create and administrate world peace. Instead we rely on groups of people who have numerous personal problems themselves to create world peace with their consciousness by flying together, although no one actually flies and if personal stories are to be believed, many perform other techniques in the groups, sleep or just look around when others are bouncing around. While I am all in favor of world peace, I don't believe it will be created by an organization that has nothing more to offer than self-aggrandizement and the opportunity to donate money for endless projects that never materialize. And that's the TM Movement. And the thing was done Okay everyone, let's give a round of applause for MICHAEL JACKSON!. Backstage: Interviewer: Michael Jackson, you've got your seven levels here. What was the inspiration for that? MJ: Well, I felt I needed to put together in one place, all the points I've been working on for the last few months. I: I noticed Michael, that much of your original time on the site was spent sparring with Rich W illiams. Do you feel that set you back some, in your projects. MJ: No, I just needed to sort through some of personalities here, to see where the alliances lay. I: Mike, if I may be so informal, let talk about Mark. Jeepers, and forgive me, I don't mean to be crude, but did you just simply wet your pants halfway throught that conversation? Was it as life changing as it appears to have been? MJ: Mark has been almost a father figure to me. Here, in this one person, it all came together. Excuse me. Do you have a tissue? I: You do know that Mark is the keeper of a high TMO relic, a pair of Maharishi's sandals? MJ: I've heard about that. It's a subject for a future discussion. I: Thank you Mike for your time. MJ: Sure. I want to give a shout out to everyone in NC. You know I love you fellow Tar Heels. HUA.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO - Part one
TM is actually only half of the Contemplation Technique. The Contemplation Technique requires picturing your deity in your mind while repeating a mantra. Picturing your deity - focus - eliminates the spaciness associated with TM. While the Contemplation Technique is not quite so charming, it is better for effectiveness in activity. The Contemplation Technique is a known 30-40 year path. So then the question is: How long is the path for only half of the Contemplation Technique - for TM? The path seems to be a least 30-40 years or longer. The other question is: Without the other half of the Contemplation Technique, does one end up in the same place that one would end, without picturing his deity in his mind? If he becomes enlightened, with what does he have an affinity? In addition to being only half of the Contemplation Technique, unless one follows some other religious instruction to keep himself oriented in a righteous direction, it seems that one could become, to quote the characters from a popular movie, either Saruman or Gandalf? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Is that it? Is this the great expose? I think most of this came up the second week FFL was live. (-: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: If I have not caused many on FFL to despise me, this post will go a long way towards that end, not that it is intentional and even though I am going to have some fun with this, I am writing in a serious vein. My Description of the TM Movement The First Level of the Movement: It all started with Marshy, a scribe by caste, erroneously or deceitfully (take your pick) described for years as being from the warrior caste. This may have been due to white folk not understanding the difference between kayastha and kshatriya. Marshy was a follower of Swami Bramananda, and became his secretary. He was told by the Swami that he was a businessman and Marshy was no particular favorite of the Swami, just his scribe. After Swami Bramananda's death, Marshy wandered around for a while, then began to claim a special relationship with the Swami he did not have. Lying from the beginning, he eventually told everyone that Guru Dev, as he called the Swami, had given him the mantras and the charge to give the knowledge of spiritual freedom in enlightenment and the means to achieve enlightenment in this life to the people of the world. Marshy's wanderings eventually led him to the United States and England. In England he evidently like the appearance of the British gals who came to learn wisdom at his feet and began a decades long practice of attempting to seduce the ladies who came to him for spiritual guidance and enlightenment. Marshy also became very enamored of money and did all he could to collect as much as he could get, of course he wanted it to fund his world-wide movement which was dedicated to the betterment of mankind, tho much of his attention in the afterhours was devoted to womankind. His association with the Beatles led to a great deal of unexpected publicity which he used to the fullest extent possible to gain more converts. In those days his pitch was: the more people doing TM, the better the world would be. In a pre-cursor of what would become routine fear mongering with him, he made hints that nuclear war was a possibility if enough people did not do TM. As time went by he became more and more manipulative and began to concoct wilder and more outlandish schemes to defraud people of their money, gain their personal love and allegiance and for a few decades, get sex from those of his followers who were willing. Allegations have been made that in the times he was not successful in seducing women, he sent to India for Indian men to satisfy his sexual needs. Eventually, even with all the absurd fantasies he was promoting â enlightenment through TM, levitation and other super powers through the TM Sidhi program, perfect health through his brand of Ayurveda, improvement of life through his brand of Indian astrology, removal of bad karma with Hindu sacrifices (yagas), he became increasingly bizarre as his own set of karmas became manifest when he became increasingly senile. Eventually he led a Howard Hughes existence, cut off from the world by those who had everything to lose by revealing his actual mental and medical state. And so he died, reviled by those who saw through his façade, adored by those who allowed the Vedic wool to be pulled over their eyes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO - Part one
remind me to read this when I'm trying to drift off to sleep --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hopintopin annwkingsley@... wrote: TM is actually only half of the Contemplation Technique. The Contemplation Technique requires picturing your deity in your mind while repeating a mantra. Picturing your deity - focus - eliminates the spaciness associated with TM. While the Contemplation Technique is not quite so charming, it is better for effectiveness in activity. The Contemplation Technique is a known 30-40 year path. So then the question is: How long is the path for only half of the Contemplation Technique - for TM? The path seems to be a least 30-40 years or longer. The other question is: Without the other half of the Contemplation Technique, does one end up in the same place that one would end, without picturing his deity in his mind? If he becomes enlightened, with what does he have an affinity? In addition to being only half of the Contemplation Technique, unless one follows some other religious instruction to keep himself oriented in a righteous direction, it seems that one could become, to quote the characters from a popular movie, either Saruman or Gandalf? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Is that it? Is this the great expose? I think most of this came up the second week FFL was live. (-: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: If I have not caused many on FFL to despise me, this post will go a long way towards that end, not that it is intentional and even though I am going to have some fun with this, I am writing in a serious vein. My Description of the TM Movement The First Level of the Movement: It all started with Marshy, a scribe by caste, erroneously or deceitfully (take your pick) described for years as being from the warrior caste. This may have been due to white folk not understanding the difference between kayastha and kshatriya. Marshy was a follower of Swami Bramananda, and became his secretary. He was told by the Swami that he was a businessman and Marshy was no particular favorite of the Swami, just his scribe. After Swami Bramananda's death, Marshy wandered around for a while, then began to claim a special relationship with the Swami he did not have. Lying from the beginning, he eventually told everyone that Guru Dev, as he called the Swami, had given him the mantras and the charge to give the knowledge of spiritual freedom in enlightenment and the means to achieve enlightenment in this life to the people of the world. Marshy's wanderings eventually led him to the United States and England. In England he evidently like the appearance of the British gals who came to learn wisdom at his feet and began a decades long practice of attempting to seduce the ladies who came to him for spiritual guidance and enlightenment. Marshy also became very enamored of money and did all he could to collect as much as he could get, of course he wanted it to fund his world-wide movement which was dedicated to the betterment of mankind, tho much of his attention in the afterhours was devoted to womankind. His association with the Beatles led to a great deal of unexpected publicity which he used to the fullest extent possible to gain more converts. In those days his pitch was: the more people doing TM, the better the world would be. In a pre-cursor of what would become routine fear mongering with him, he made hints that nuclear war was a possibility if enough people did not do TM. As time went by he became more and more manipulative and began to concoct wilder and more outlandish schemes to defraud people of their money, gain their personal love and allegiance and for a few decades, get sex from those of his followers who were willing. Allegations have been made that in the times he was not successful in seducing women, he sent to India for Indian men to satisfy his sexual needs. Eventually, even with all the absurd fantasies he was promoting â enlightenment through TM, levitation and other super powers through the TM Sidhi program, perfect health through his brand of Ayurveda, improvement of life through his brand of Indian astrology, removal of bad karma with Hindu sacrifices (yagas), he became increasingly bizarre as his own set of karmas became manifest when he became increasingly senile. Eventually he led a Howard Hughes existence, cut off from the world by those who had everything to lose by revealing his actual mental and medical state. And so he died, reviled by those who saw through his façade, adored by those who allowed the Vedic wool to be pulled over their eyes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO - Part 4
Humorous and untrue - also why would I be shouting at NC people? I live south of them From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:54 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO - Part 4 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: The Seventh Level of the Movement: These are the people who have a greater degree of mental independence from the Movement than the Bliss Ninnys, yet they support the overall (deceitful) intent of the Movement which is no longer personal enlightenment, no longer global enlightenment but rather world peace through the so-called yogic flying program. These are the real enablers of the Movement because I believe they outnumber the TM True Believers who have no ability to discern truth from lies. The more independent TM'ers are able to discern truth, but they give the Movement a free pass, either ignoring Movement lies and various enormities or, if confronted with overwhelming evidence of wrongdoing, find excuses for the Movement behavior or just blatantly saying I don't care. I like TM and I think the Movement does more good than bad, and I think the good the Movement does outweighs and justifies its excesses and lies. Which is the same excuse they used to justify their lack of holding Marshy accountable for his enormities. When asked what good the Movement does, the response is usually the idea that one day world peace will result from Movement activities or that it is good for people to be introduced to the idea of freedom from attachment to the fruits of activity through meditation. These ridiculous notions ignore the fact that in nearly 60 years of TM practice and 38 years of TM Sidhi practice, the world is in much worse condition today than it was when the practices began. The excuses also ignore the fact that there are many people whose practice of TM had detrimental effects on their physical, mental, emotional and financial health. The Global Country of World Peace Marshy created the global country of world peace where the ministers administer this non-existent country from the level of awareness. Mostly what they administer is PR about how grand TM and its ancillary programs how, how you can donate money to the TM Movement and how that will one day create world peace. Enlightenment, once the corner stone of Marshy's pitch to the world, is rarely if ever mentioned. One wonders how, if we no longer are going to get enlightened, the practice of TM and its subsidiary programs will create world peace. You would think that after all the talk of enlightened leadership Marshy's Movement has done, one would need enlightened leaders to create and administrate world peace. Instead we rely on groups of people who have numerous personal problems themselves to create world peace with their consciousness by flying together, although no one actually flies and if personal stories are to be believed, many perform other techniques in the groups, sleep or just look around when others are bouncing around. While I am all in favor of world peace, I don't believe it will be created by an organization that has nothing more to offer than self-aggrandizement and the opportunity to donate money for endless projects that never materialize. And that's the TM Movement. And the thing was done Okay everyone, let's give a round of applause for MICHAEL JACKSON!. Backstage: Interviewer: Michael Jackson, you've got your seven levels here. What was the inspiration for that? MJ: Well, I felt I needed to put together in one place, all the points I've been working on for the last few months. I: I noticed Michael, that much of your original time on the site was spent sparring with Rich W illiams. Do you feel that set you back some, in your projects. MJ: No, I just needed to sort through some of personalities here, to see where the alliances lay. I: Mike, if I may be so informal, let talk about Mark. Jeepers, and forgive me, I don't mean to be crude, but did you just simply wet your pants halfway throught that conversation? Was it as life changing as it appears to have been? MJ: Mark has been almost a father figure to me. Here, in this one person, it all came together. Excuse me. Do you have a tissue? I: You do know that Mark is the keeper of a high TMO relic, a pair of Maharishi's sandals? MJ: I've heard about that. It's a subject for a future discussion. I: Thank you Mike for your time. MJ: Sure. I want to give a shout out to everyone in NC. You know I love you fellow Tar Heels. HUA.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO and Maharishi bashing, vs. What???
doctordumbass: This has been interesting to watch BARRY DOES NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT MMMY OR RAMA! Why can't you get that through your head? He's not interested - he only wants to talk about Judy. LoL! - Barry, who worshiped a drug addicted rapist for years... So you keep slinging that good 'ole Texas bullshit as long as you want, eh podner? All it will accomplish is that more and more people here will realize that you share the same mindset as the anticultists you quote, and that you're the same kinda Texan that George is -- all hat, no cattle. - Unc Pretty fuckin' weird. Bee wants a weird life, and he has got one.:-) As for MJ, this is a phase to grow through, and more power to him, completing the phase.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO and Maharishi bashing, vs. What???
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: This has been interesting to watch - Barry, who worshiped a drug addicted rapist for years, and MJ, who has a similar history of spiritual dabbling, are dead set on their goal to make us all realize the errors of Maharishi's ways, that he wasn't perfect, or a saint. What I find interesting about all of this *interest* in Maharishi's life, is that neither one of them has any basis for comparison, whatsoever. Its not like they are comparing Maharishi to someone *better*, or even to themselves, and their actions in life. Nope, its just bash, bash, bash, because the TMO does continue on, and is getting quite successful, far more so than Bee's dead rapist teacher. Pretty fuckin' weird. Bee wants a weird life, and he has got one.:-) As for MJ, this is a phase to grow through, and more power to him, completing the phase. Spot on ! BINGO ! :-) But I don't find the Turq much weird. He's just like many (but not all) OLD folks I know, inflexible, stuck in the past, fearsome of the future and boring. Without realizing he has become irrelvant and his posts predictable and boring, ZzZ... The funny thing is that he THINKS he is a big provocateur but in reality he just keeps repeating the same old, same old - thinking that he actually are pushing some buttons whereas the truth is that he receives little more than a big YAWN in return.
[FairfieldLife] Best TMO come backs
I remembered a story today about Charlie Donahue being interviewed by Tom Synder. This may be a sign I've been spending to much time on FFL. In any event, its a good story and some may enjoy it. If you have different versions of these stories or other stories of good come backs I would enjoy reading them. Charlie was interviewed by Tom Synder. Tom liked to throw his guests off with an opening one liner. At the beginning of the interview Tom shook hands with Charlie and said: Tom Your hand's are wet, are you nervous? Charlie No, you've run out of paper towels in your bathroom. Another favourite of mine I remember the end but I'm not confident of my memory of the beginning. Someone rounding too much on teacher training in Fuggi asked Maharishi in evening theatre question period what he should do about a strong recurring thought he was having (not sure how clear the man was this first evening or if Maharishi understood what he was saying). Maharishi seemed to say the man should act out the thought. A night or two later the man came back on crutches and bandaged. He waited patiently in line for the mike and then explained to Maharishi that he had acted on his thought to thrown himself in front of a car and he had just returned from the hospital. In what seemed like not missing a beat Maharishi said (I'm paraphrasing) Its not good to put oneself under the wheel.
[FairfieldLife] The TMO disconnect from the real world
Good raps, blusc0ut. I'll riff on the things it brought up for me -- not that my musings are what you had in mind, just that what you wrote got me to thinking about them. And -- as always -- these are just musings, theories, me trying in retrospect to make sense of something that probably doesn't make any. They are NOT a declaration of Truth or claim that this is what was going on. Basically, I've always wondered how much of the reclusive side of the TMO was a product of the social mindset of the organization, and how much was a product of the TM and TM- sidhi techniques themselves. I think a case can be made for either one, or both. The fear of contact with the real world thang can be seen (at least by me) as an extension of the Treat the meditators like children who can't handle themselves out in the real world mindset established in the first TM residence courses. Participants were actually for- bidden to leave the course and go into town, or to do work-related things, or do much of anything real. And make no mistake about it, this instruction was *never* for the benefit of the participants. When I worked at the Regional Office, I got to see the lists of instructions for residence course leaders sent from Seelisberg; they stated in clear terms that the reason we were to keep people from leaving courses was to prevent any possible embarrassment to the TMO. We were to make sure they didn't wander into some town and, being totally spaced-out, do something that would reflect badly on TM and the TMO. This treat them like children mindset was naturally extended to longer courses when they began to appear, and to the reclusive butt-bouncing communities or courses when they appeared. On the other hand, I can see that a lot of this fear of the real world comes from TM and the TM-sidhis itself. I have participated in meditation retreats from other traditions in which we were meditating 12 or more hours a day and there was no such suggestion to not go into town. Because there was no need for such a suggestion; no one was ever spaced out. The meditation worked as meditation was *supposed* to work, and created increased clarity and the ability to cope in the participants. So if something came up that required their attention in the real world, they were not only able to handle it, they (we) tended to do so more efficiently, and with no trace of spaced- out-ed-ness, only increased clarity of mind. On another level, I was exposed in the Rama trip to a very different model for what spiritual attainment meant. Everything in that org was presented in terms of Does it fly in the real world, or Does it have any value in the real world. There was never any sense of anyone having a day job, as opposed to their spiritual life. Our jobs *were* our spiritual lives, and an integral part of our sadhana. We were taught to use them as an opportunity to focus and excel, and taught that excellence in one's career was FAR more an indication of spiritual progress than any internal, subjective experience. Compare and contrast to the TMO, in which many people didn't even *have* careers. Many of them followed the monk model and went all Purusha or Mother Divine, begging others for money so they never even *had* to work. Instead they got to focus on the subjective side of their lives, which was then *never tested* by exposing it to the real world. One of the reasons I bailed from the TMO in the first place was that I had begun to notice that good experiences seemed to be linked to being on a course. Leave the course, and these experiences went away. This did not strike me as a balanced or valid approach to spiritual experience; if it can't persist in the midst of the busy marketplace, and can only exist in some rarefied retreat setting, it's not real...it's as artificial as the retreat or monastery concept itself. Suffice it to say I'm not a fan of the recluse approach to spiritual development. I don't feel that ANY subjective experience is valid or of lasting value unless it can be had while working in and interfacing with the real world. I don't think Maharishi ever thought this way, which is natural if you think about it because *he* never really interfaced with the real world. From Day One he was treated like the monk he was, and other people both paid for his life and sheltered him from the real world 24/7. I don't think that he ever had much respect for career or for actual accomplishment out in the world because he never experienced those things. He was a dreamer, and his view of the world was IMO largely a dream, rarely based on reality. I think that a *balanced* spiritual life is one in which everyone pays their own way (by working at some job that allows them to do so), and has no problem interfacing gracefully and *well* (meaning successfully) with the world around them, and with people who aren't a part of the same spiritual path. Fear of those people or of the real world -- and a reluctance to
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO connection with the Paterson trial?
Rick, do you think MMY was party to the deliberate dishonest exaggeration of the gold content from the exploratory mines that led to Global Gold Corp's stock value surge ? Perhaps MMY, rather than an intimate participant in the dishonesty by the Global Gold Corp, was innocent of the stock fraud. I recall that Neil P was said to have had a nervous breakdown earlier in the decade. Perhaps news of Neil's 'nervous breakdown' was related to the discovery of the fraud. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Paterson_(politician): Neil Paterson owned 92% of Global Gold Corp, while his brother John owned the remaining 8%. Where did Neil get the money to own that 92% share? He worked full-time for the TMO all his life. Unless there was an inheritance, the TMO must have invested in the company, as it often did in business ventures. If that is the case, knowing MMY's micro-managerial tendencies, he was probably consulting with Neil on a regular basis, dictating or influencing decisions which led to the current state of affairs. The company was worth over $800 million in 2004, when MMY was still very much alive. If you think he wouldn't have had his fingers in that pie, you don't know him very well.
[FairfieldLife] New TMO edict: All women must wear saris this way!
from: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/23/elizabeth-hurley-dons-she_n_474\ 257.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/23/elizabeth-hurley-dons-she_n_47\ 4257.html
[FairfieldLife] New TMO edict: All women must wear saris this way!
Oh stop it... i thought i was going to have to learn a new folding pattern or something,shesh i ve been had meow meow
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO pulling out of FF?
...or just downsizing? They're auctioning off 1/3 of their FF land holdings. In the disposal, the larger farm ground parcels of the average ground brought about $3,000 an acre, bought by local farmers. The smaller extremely nice (CSR) farm ground parcel brought about $6,000 an acre, bought by a farmer too. The parcel with the office building used as a MSAE school was bought for about $300k `by someone from Arizona'. http://download.globalcountry.net/emailing/ 2009_12_10_auction_announcement.pdf Dear Supporters of Invincible America, It is a great joy to announce that on Tuesday, December 15th beginning at 10:00 a.m. CST, Global Country of World Peace will make available for sale at auction one of the most beautiful buildings in our Invincible America community and a number of parcels of organic farmland totaling 600 acres. This auction will continue Tuesday afternoon and Wednesday morning. Please see the announcement for details of when each parcel will be sold. Since Global Country of World Peace owns quite a lot of land in the community we want to make about 1/3 of it available for those who wish to take advantage of prime organic real estate along Route 1 and inside Maharishi Vedic City for development, organic agriculture or residential or commercial uses. We feel this will help stimulate faster growth in the community and make property available contiguous to Maharishi University of Management, between MUM and Maharishi Vedic City, and within Maharishi Vedic City. In addition, proceeds of the sale of these properties will be used to support Global Country of World Peace Movement activities in the community and around the country.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO pulling out of FF?
Going back in to the Guyfawkes Critique. Is not the MUM Bd. of Trustees independent enough now to retire Bevan? Make him ameritus? He got sacked as pres of the trustee. Time come now to sack him as Pres of the university. He has done enough in 30 years. Get him out of the way entirely by just keeping him as a lecturer? He could be fabulous if he'd let himself just be that instead of trying to wag the dog. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 no_re...@... wrote: The obvious candidate for the next round of land auctions is the university in Kansas. Because that'll be a much bigger loss of face than selling off surplus bits in Fairfield then when it finally happens (and it must do) we'll know that the magnitude of the tragedy is finally dawning on people and there might even be a chance to get them to listen to reason and common sense. Though not if Bevan has any say in the matter. Oh well they can't say they weren't warned.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO pulling out of FF?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 no_re...@... wrote: One contingent is contending to take the proceeds, buy prime land cheaper in South America through the TMo down there, farm it 'organically' with cheap labor as an enlightened movement business supporting the TMo Why does the TMO need constant support from businesses? It has a good meditation technique and teachers who have left the movement have demonstrated that it's possible to build a viable business on the basis of a valued service. There should be no need for endless begging for money. The TMO has in effect become a fund raising and property development business with a small sideline in spiritual development and in time the small sideline will die out. Teaching Meditation, Credulous Donors, Vanity Projects the 'Nut Jobs in Crowns'. Yes, goes back to your combined critique about credulous donors, vanity projects and nut jobs in crowns (robes too). Sucking money out of credulous donors evidently was a type of viable business model that Maharishi could pull off.Obviously is different going on now with the demise of Maharishi and things will take different controls since Maharishi's. Seems viable assets they got could be 1) TM 2)Consciousness-based education (the schools). Some health products, The Raj, some publishing (all related), and then whatever real assets left they have found. Most everything left over like that downtown Manhattan building are those kind of assets that cost money or time to keep and not necessarily in their line of business' hence in discovery they're now liking to sell. The vanity assets that are not really in the core business but become distractions that drag on the core it seems are on the block. Either wasting money, time of the remaining core business or of (credulous) donor supporters. Then as a category there are those other ethereal meditation-programming 'assets' like Purusha, MD, pundits too requiring budgets to run, costing cash to keep up, yet also generate funds from credulous well-wishing supporters. These are defining in their way that run along with the other meditation assets. Special in their way with the meditation business and with credulous supporters. These assets regardless, their 2010 'business' model hinges a lot on the management of nut jobs in crowns balancing meditation, credulous donors, vanity projects,. Is interesting if for no other reason that they have effects on a lot of people still. Anybody seen a 2009 balance sheet and income statement for any of the TM entities? Would they have the courage to publish them? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/236703
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO pulling out of FF?
A Courts-Martial 1) Sale of 600 prime acres of failed farming. 2)Sale of Folded school building. Transcendental Rajas do inquiries into failed management of Transcendental Meditation Projects.Patrick Peel vacuum cleaner salesman failed farm Manager. Ashley Deen failed school master. Relieved, of duty. Dishonorable dis-charges given? Probably not, but the evident TM verdict: the sale of their projects. No doubt was gut-wrenching discovery and deliberation by the Rajas weighing these failed assignments. Who originally hired these people? Oversaw their work? How did that go? More dismissals coming from the courts of inquiry? Failed farming Apparently by the Wins to Schayfer to Peel. Nice equipment bought. Made lots of hay and failed at marketing. Equipment sold. Global Country selling land. Transcription of the proceedings? Notwithstanding our explicit teaching of the purest life and loftiest conceptions of right, the societies have suffered through certain members, some by defalcations and others by grossest mismanagement. Where so little coercion exists, where so much responsibility rests on individual loyalty, one person, taking advantage of the trust reposed in him, by signing a document, or by secret, ill-judge investments, may deluge a whole society with debt. This has been frequently done. from Shakerism 1904 Sober warning. Is also the precarious position of having a Raja like that German TM-raja or a Conhaus get up in robes as representatives and thence publicly derail a lot of carefully placed PR capital by poor antic. That imbecility is a little different from someone like a Jeffry Wells, for instance on leaving the inside evidently taking and walking with $50k out of the University operating budget as he left the inner circle. That apparently stunned the operation for a while. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: ...or just downsizing? They're auctioning off 1/3 of their FF land holdings. http://download.globalcountry.net/emailing/ 2009_12_10_auction_announcement.pdf Dear Supporters of Invincible America, It is a great joy to announce that on Tuesday, December 15th beginning at 10:00 a.m. CST, Global Country of World Peace will make available for sale at auction one of the most beautiful buildings in our Invincible America community and a number of parcels of organic farmland totaling 600 acres. This auction will continue Tuesday afternoon and Wednesday morning. Please see the announcement for details of when each parcel will be sold. Since Global Country of World Peace owns quite a lot of land in the community we want to make about 1/3 of it available for those who wish to take advantage of prime organic real estate along Route 1 and inside Maharishi Vedic City for development, organic agriculture or residential or commercial uses. We feel this will help stimulate faster growth in the community and make property available contiguous to Maharishi University of Management, between MUM and Maharishi Vedic City, and within Maharishi Vedic City. In addition, proceeds of the sale of these properties will be used to support Global Country of World Peace Movement activities in the community and around the country.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO pulling out of FF?
A Courts-Martial 1) Sale of 600 prime acres of failed farming. 2)Sale of Folded school building. Transcendental Rajas do inquiries into failed management of Transcendental Meditation Projects.Patrick Peel vacuum cleaner salesman failed farm Manager. Ashley Deen failed school master. Relieved, of duty. Dishonorable dis-charges given? Probably not, but the evident TM verdict: the sale of their projects. No doubt was gut-wrenching discovery and deliberation by the Rajas weighing these failed assignments. Who originally hired these people? Oversaw their work? How did that go? More dismissals coming from the courts of inquiry? Failed farming Apparently by the Wins to Schayfer to Peel. Nice equipment bought. Made lots of hay and failed at marketing. Equipment sold. Global Country selling land. Transcription of the proceedings? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: ...or just downsizing? They're auctioning off 1/3 of their FF land holdings. http://download.globalcountry.net/emailing/ 2009_12_10_auction_announcement.pdf Dear Supporters of Invincible America, It is a great joy to announce that on Tuesday, December 15th beginning at 10:00 a.m. CST, Global Country of World Peace will make available for sale at auction one of the most beautiful buildings in our Invincible America community and a number of parcels of organic farmland totaling 600 acres. This auction will continue Tuesday afternoon and Wednesday morning. Please see the announcement for details of when each parcel will be sold. Since Global Country of World Peace owns quite a lot of land in the community we want to make about 1/3 of it available for those who wish to take advantage of prime organic real estate along Route 1 and inside Maharishi Vedic City for development, organic agriculture or residential or commercial uses. We feel this will help stimulate faster growth in the community and make property available contiguous to Maharishi University of Management, between MUM and Maharishi Vedic City, and within Maharishi Vedic City. In addition, proceeds of the sale of these properties will be used to support Global Country of World Peace Movement activities in the community and around the country.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO pulling out of FF?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: ...or just downsizing? They're auctioning off 1/3 of their FF land holdings. http://download.globalcountry.net/emailing/ 2009_12_10_auction_announcement.pdf Dear Supporters of Invincible America, In addition, proceeds of the sale of these properties will be used to support Global Country of World Peace Movement activities in the community and around the country. One contingent is contending to take the proceeds, buy prime land cheaper in South America through the TMo down there, farm it 'organically' with cheap labor as an enlightened movement business supporting the TMo
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO pulling out of FF?
A Courts-Martial 1) Sale of 600 prime acres of failed farming. 2)Sale of Folded school building. Transcendental Rajas do inquiries into failed management of Transcendental Meditation Projects.Patrick Peel vacuum cleaner salesman failed farm Manager. Ashley Deen failed school master. Relieved, of duty. Dishonorable dis-charges given? Probably not, but the evident TM verdict: the sale of their projects. No doubt was gut-wrenching discovery and deliberation by the Rajas weighing these failed assignments. Who originally hired these people? Oversaw their work? How did that go? More dismissals coming from the courts of inquiry? Failed farming Apparently by the Wins to Schayfer to Peel. Nice equipment bought. Made lots of hay and failed at marketing. Equipment sold. Global Country selling land. Transcription of the proceedings? Notwithstanding our explicit teaching of the purest life and loftiest conceptions of right, the societies have suffered through certain members, some by defalcations and others by grossest mismanagement. Where so little coercion exists, where so much responsibility rests on individual loyalty, one person, taking advantage of the trust reposed in him, by signing a document, or by secret, ill-judge investments, may deluge a whole society with debt. This has been frequently done. from Shakerism 1904 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: ...or just downsizing? They're auctioning off 1/3 of their FF land holdings. http://download.globalcountry.net/emailing/ 2009_12_10_auction_announcement.pdf Dear Supporters of Invincible America, It is a great joy to announce that on Tuesday, December 15th beginning at 10:00 a.m. CST, Global Country of World Peace will make available for sale at auction one of the most beautiful buildings in our Invincible America community and a number of parcels of organic farmland totaling 600 acres. This auction will continue Tuesday afternoon and Wednesday morning. Please see the announcement for details of when each parcel will be sold. Since Global Country of World Peace owns quite a lot of land in the community we want to make about 1/3 of it available for those who wish to take advantage of prime organic real estate along Route 1 and inside Maharishi Vedic City for development, organic agriculture or residential or commercial uses. We feel this will help stimulate faster growth in the community and make property available contiguous to Maharishi University of Management, between MUM and Maharishi Vedic City, and within Maharishi Vedic City. In addition, proceeds of the sale of these properties will be used to support Global Country of World Peace Movement activities in the community and around the country.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO pulling out of FF?
One contingent is contending to take the proceeds, buy prime land cheaper in South America through the TMo down there, farm it 'organically' with cheap labor as an enlightened movement business supporting the TMo Why does the TMO need constant support from businesses? It has a good meditation technique and teachers who have left the movement have demonstrated that it's possible to build a viable business on the basis of a valued service. There should be no need for endless begging for money. The TMO has in effect become a fund raising and property development business with a small sideline in spiritual development and in time the small sideline will die out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO pulling out of FF?
This Guyfawkes Critique reads a good one. Is a critique that catches a lot of aspect. Reflects on a lot of this since way back. The Guyfawkes Critique: the plane was kept in the air by credulous wealthy donors. Now the machinery meets the geology and we have what's known as Controlled Flight into Terrain. That's aviation terminology for flying a perfectly serviceable aircraft into the side of a mountain due to pilot error. In this case, the underlying idea is perfectly good, and there's a viable business teaching a good mediation technique to the general public. But there's not a viable business in sucking money from wealthy donors so that a bunch of nut jobs in crowns who think they rule the world can spend it on vanity projects. The danger is that the good part of the business will go down the toilet with the bad parts.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO pulling out of FF?
This Guyfawkes Critique reads a good one. Is a critique that catches a lot of aspect. Reflects on a lot of this since way back. The Guyfawkes Critique: the plane was kept in the air by credulous wealthy donors. And, the incredulous bailed and gone out earlier? Lots of credulous gone to incredulous through time. Has been some change of tide through the tidal basin with occasional noteworthy rip tides. Now the machinery meets the geology and we have what's known as Controlled Flight into Terrain. That's aviation terminology for flying a perfectly serviceable aircraft into the side of a mountain due to pilot error. In this case, the underlying idea is perfectly good, and there's a viable business teaching a good mediation technique to the general public. But there's not a viable business in sucking money from wealthy donors so that a bunch of nut jobs in crowns who think they rule the world can spend it on vanity projects. The danger is that the good part of the business will go down the toilet with the bad parts.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO pulling out of FF?
the plane was kept in the air by credulous wealthy donors. credulous gone over to incredulous through time. -The meditating community-wide survey msg# 3896 thread Also look in the files section of FFL. The actual survey is archived there. The seeds of the present were present then in 1994~ It is a very interesting read. -Fairfield and the TMO, the dwindle # 4724 -The Iowa Meditating Landscape, Trickle-down Depopulation 4503 , 4502 , 13564 This Guyfawkes Critique reads a good one. Is a critique that catches a lot of aspect. Reflects on a lot of this since way back. The Guyfawkes Critique: the plane was kept in the air by credulous wealthy donors. Now the machinery meets the geology and we have what's known as Controlled Flight into Terrain. That's aviation terminology for flying a perfectly serviceable aircraft into the side of a mountain due to pilot error. In this case, the underlying idea is perfectly good, and there's a viable business teaching a good mediation technique to the general public. But there's not a viable business in sucking money from wealthy donors so that a bunch of nut jobs in crowns who think they rule the world can spend it on vanity projects. The danger is that the good part of the business will go down the toilet with the bad parts.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO pulling out of FF?
A Courts-Martial 1) Sale of 600 prime acres of failed farming. 2)Sale of Folded school building. The stain of a high-water mark. It'll be slow death by a thousand cuts. Most people saw it coming decades ago but the plane was kept in the air by credulous wealthy donors. Now the machinery meets the geology and we have what's known as Controlled Flight into Terrain. That's aviation terminology for flying a perfectly serviceable aircraft into the side of a mountain due to pilot error. In this case, the underlying idea is perfectly good, and there's a viable business teaching a good mediation technique to the general public. But there's not a viable business in sucking money from wealthy donors so that a bunch of nut jobs in crowns who think they rule the world can spend it on vanity projects. The danger is that the good part of the business will go down the toilet with the bad parts. It'll be interesting to watch the slow stages. My guess is that they'll sell of every last building and parcel of land before they'll take off their crowns and admit they've made TM a laughing stock. At this point in the game the few remaining ones are still holding onto the idea that the cosmic cavalry will turn up at the last minute to save the day, i.e. use the last drop of money in the organization to pay for a phase transition. The next stage will be the growing realization that it's not going to happen, and they've left it too late to change course. The obvious candidate for the next round of land auctions is the university in Kansas. Because that'll be a much bigger loss of face than selling off surplus bits in Fairfield then when it finally happens (and it must do) we'll know that the magnitude of the tragedy is finally dawning on people and there might even be a chance to get them to listen to reason and common sense. Though not if Bevan has any say in the matter. Oh well they can't say they weren't warned.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO pulling out of FF?
The Guyfawkes' Critique: the plane was kept in the air by credulous wealthy donors. Now the machinery meets the geology and we have what's known as Controlled Flight into Terrain. That's aviation terminology for flying a perfectly serviceable aircraft into the side of a mountain due to pilot error. In this case, the underlying idea is perfectly good, and there's a viable business teaching a good mediation technique to the general public. But there's not a viable business in sucking money from wealthy donors so that a bunch of nut jobs in crowns who think they rule the world can spend it on vanity projects. The danger is that the good part of the business will go down the toilet with the bad parts.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO pulling out of FF?
I don't get it. What makes farmland organic? It is a great joy to announce that on Tuesday, December 15th beginning at 10:00 a.m. CST, Global Country of World Peace will make available for sale at auction one of the most beautiful buildings in our Invincible America community and a number of parcels of organic farmland totaling 600 acres. This auction will continue Tuesday afternoon and Wednesday morning. Please see the announcement for details of when each parcel will be sold. Since Global Country of World Peace owns quite a lot of land in the community we want to make about 1/3 of it available for those who wish to take advantage of prime organic real estate along Route 1 and inside Maharishi Vedic City for development, organic agriculture or residential or commercial uses. We feel this will help stimulate faster growth in the community and make property available contiguous to Maharishi University of Management, between MUM and Maharishi Vedic City, and within Maharishi Vedic City. In addition, proceeds of the sale of these properties will be used to support Global Country of World Peace Movement activities in the community and around the country.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO pulling out of FF?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: I don't get it. What makes farmland organic? Once a week the pundit boys are allowed out from behind the barbed wire of their compound and allowed to take a dump on the property. Holy shit, Batman. It is a great joy to announce that on Tuesday, December 15th beginning at 10:00 a.m. CST, Global Country of World Peace will make available for sale at auction one of the most beautiful buildings in our Invincible America community and a number of parcels of organic farmland totaling 600 acres. This auction will continue Tuesday afternoon and Wednesday morning. Please see the announcement for details of when each parcel will be sold. Since Global Country of World Peace owns quite a lot of land in the community we want to make about 1/3 of it available for those who wish to take advantage of prime organic real estate along Route 1 and inside Maharishi Vedic City for development, organic agriculture or residential or commercial uses. We feel this will help stimulate faster growth in the community and make property available contiguous to Maharishi University of Management, between MUM and Maharishi Vedic City, and within Maharishi Vedic City. In addition, proceeds of the sale of these properties will be used to support Global Country of World Peace Movement activities in the community and around the country.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO pulling out of FF?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: I don't get it. What makes farmland organic? I can't quickly find a list of requirements, but the term organic farmland is pretty standard, not just something the TMO dreamed up (if that's what you were suggesting). For example: http://www.ers.usda.gov/Data/Organic/ The question in my mind would be whether the land in question is USDA *certified* organic farmland. I would guess it means farmland on which synthetic fertilizers and pesticides have not been used for a certain amount of time, among other practices that are either required or prohibited.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO pulling out of FF?
On Dec 12, 2009, at 8:57 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: I don't get it. What makes farmland organic? I would guess because they've never used pesticides on it, at least since they've owned it. But I've never heard it expressed that way either. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO pulling out of FF?
A Courts-Martial 1) Sale of 600 prime acres of failed farming. 2)Sale of Folded school building. Transcendental Rajas do inquiries into failed management of Transcendental Meditation Projects.Patrick Peel vacuum cleaner salesman failed farm Manager. Ashley Deen failed school master. Relieved, of duty. Dishonorable dis-charges given? Probably not, but the evident TM verdict: the sale of their projects. No doubt was gut-wrenching discovery and deliberation by the Rajas weighing these failed assignments. Who originally hired these people? Oversaw their work? How did that go? More dismissals coming from the courts of inquiry? Transcription of the proceedings? JGD, -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: ...or just downsizing? They're auctioning off 1/3 of their FF land holdings. http://download.globalcountry.net/emailing/ 2009_12_10_auction_announcement.pdf Dear Supporters of Invincible America, It is a great joy to announce that on Tuesday, December 15th beginning at 10:00 a.m. CST, Global Country of World Peace will make available for sale at auction one of the most beautiful buildings in our Invincible America community and a number of parcels of organic farmland totaling 600 acres. This auction will continue Tuesday afternoon and Wednesday morning. Please see the announcement for details of when each parcel will be sold. Since Global Country of World Peace owns quite a lot of land in the community we want to make about 1/3 of it available for those who wish to take advantage of prime organic real estate along Route 1 and inside Maharishi Vedic City for development, organic agriculture or residential or commercial uses. We feel this will help stimulate faster growth in the community and make property available contiguous to Maharishi University of Management, between MUM and Maharishi Vedic City, and within Maharishi Vedic City. In addition, proceeds of the sale of these properties will be used to support Global Country of World Peace Movement activities in the community and around the country.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO pulling out of FF?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: A Courts-Martial 1) Sale of 600 prime acres of failed farming. 2)Sale of Folded school building. It'll be slow death by a thousand cuts. Most people saw it coming decades ago but the plane was kept in the air by credulous wealthy donors. Now the machinery meets the geology and we have what's known as Controlled Flight into Terrain. That's aviation terminology for flying a perfectly serviceable aircraft into the side of a mountain due to pilot error. In this case, the underlying idea is perfectly good, and there's a viable business teaching a good mediation technique to the general public. But there's not a viable business in sucking money from wealthy donors so that a bunch of nut jobs in crowns who think they rule the world can spend it on vanity projects. The danger is that the good part of the business will go down the toilet with the bad parts. It'll be interesting to watch the slow stages. My guess is that they'll sell of every last building and parcel of land before they'll take off their crowns and admit they've made TM a laughing stock. At this point in the game the few remaining ones are still holding onto the idea that the cosmic cavalry will turn up at the last minute to save the day, i.e. use the last drop of money in the organization to pay for a phase transition. The next stage will be the growing realization that it's not going to happen, and they've left it too late to change course. The obvious candidate for the next round of land auctions is the university in Kansas. Because that'll be a much bigger loss of face than selling off surplus bits in Fairfield then when it finally happens (and it must do) we'll know that the magnitude of the tragedy is finally dawning on people and there might even be a chance to get them to listen to reason and common sense. Though not if Bevan has any say in the matter. Oh well they can't say they weren't warned.
[FairfieldLife] The TMO will steal your Dome badge (was Re: on getting Google hits.)
As I suggested not long ago, you need go no further than Fairfield Life to do what you want to do. Simply put the phrase you want in the Subject line of an FFL post and chances are if the phrase is unique enough your post will appear in Google's top ten within 24 hours. The reason, as far as I can tell is not FFL per se but the site on which it is archived. That is scanned very regularly by Google, and seems to be heavily weighted in its rankings. To test my theory (for that is all it is, based on only one previous experiment) I am adding your phrase to the Subject line of this post. Google for that phrase in quotes later today or tomorrow to see if I am correct. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 8:53 PM, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: Any ideas on how to facilitate Google hits on a given topic? (say, The TMO will steal your Dome badge or whatever.) Somebody told me that if one follows these steps, you can get some hits from Google searches. 1. First, get a gmail address (any name,)...done that. 2. Next, bring up blogger.com (run by Google) and set up a name for the owner of the blog site, say Widgetqz. After this is set up, it will have the following URL: http://www.blogspot.widgetqz.com 3. Then enter your blogs with appropriate titles that you might think will get some hits, possibly, The TMO sucks. OK, I did that...now to test this, I enter into the search field, The TMO sucks (or any topic with key phrases or words). Tried that, but no hits came up linking to my blogger.com. What am I doing wrong, or does this hit strategy not work. Thx for your help. 1) It takes a while for Google to find you, even if you register your site with it. 2) Google works on a complicated algorithm sort of based on the number of sites which link to yours. So now you have the blog. Get thousands of people to link to it. What you really want to do is Google bomb. Unfortunately Google got wise to this. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_bomb
Re: [FairfieldLife] The TMO will steal your Dome badge (was Re: on getting Google hits.)
On Aug 25, 2009, at 4:33 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Google for that phrase in quotes later today or tomorrow to see if I am correct. Actually it worked just now.
[FairfieldLife] International TMO Finances, was: Mark Meredith dies
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of guyfawkes91 Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:40 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mark Meredith dies Vlodrop took out an injunction the day after Maharishi's funeral to freeze accounts held by some of Maharishi's family. That's an interesting tidbit. I've often wondered whether Maharishi's funneling of money to his family was just an Indian support one's family thing or whether his nephews were blackmailing him, as in send us money or we'll spill the beans. Of course, even with MMY gone, bean-spilling could shake up the movement pretty bad, so maybe that theory is bunk. Maybe it was just an Indian family thing, and with MMY gone, the Vlodropians didn't share that sentiment.
[FairfieldLife] Re: tmo banking
Lol ! ... Your scheme is a reasonable as a Bar Mitzvah in a Bankok Brothel. That's not a valid argument. In any case most people with a knowledge of human nature would consider it very reasonable to suggest that an unaccountable organization which uses locations known for banking secrecy and which makes very sure that no one is allowed to question authority is very likely up to no good. A valid argument would be to show us the accounts. If we could get the details of the amount of money sent abroad from published accounts for donor nations and if we could get published accounts for the Indian charities then we can compare amounts and draw conclusions. Without being able to get hold of the accounts for India we can make a guess by comparison; the David Lynch financed projects around the world (which the Varma/Srivastava clan don't have financial control over) have yielded tens of thousands of children meditators for an outlay of just a few million in the last few years. In the last 20 years hundreds of millions have gone into India and we see only a few cheap buildings, and 1,500 pundits, plus of course the palace built for the Varma/Shrivastava clan. Mmmm.
[FairfieldLife] Re: tmo banking
Zero transparency and accountability in financial dealings, wonder why the tmo is there? Do we need to spell it out. I suppose we do. Various TM charities around the world take in funds and then send them to international. On each set of national accounts we will see X amount received, mostly in donations since there's no business to speak of, and Y sent abroad to further the purposes of the charity, with X-Y appearing to be a reasonable amount for administration. Then the Indian charity will show amounts A coming into the country, and amounts B being spent ostensibly on the purposes of the charity, with A-B being a reasonable amount. It's not until you put all the figures from all over the world together that you'll see massive discrepancies, with the total amount going to Jersey being much much more than the amount recorded as going to the Indian charities. The difference of course goes to the Srivastava/Varma clan and is smuggled into India as gold bars or whatever. The TMO could clear up the bad smell once and for all by having an independent audit of the entire global business, but you can be pretty sure that's not going to happen because if it does certain senior figures could be looking at time behind bars.
[FairfieldLife] Re: tmo banking
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , guyfawkes91 guyfawke...@... wrote: Zero transparency and accountability in financial dealings, wonder why the tmo is there? Do we need to spell it out. I suppose we do. Various TM charities around the world take in funds and then send them to international. On each set of national accounts we will see X amount received, mostly in donations since there's no business to speak of, and Y sent abroad to further the purposes of the charity, with X-Y appearing to be a reasonable amount for administration. Then the Indian charity will show amounts A coming into the country, and amounts B being spent ostensibly on the purposes of the charity, with A-B being a reasonable amount. It's not until you put all the figures from all over the world together that you'll see massive discrepancies, with the total amount going to Jersey being much much more than the amount recorded as going to the Indian charities. The difference of course goes to the Srivastava/Varma clan and is smuggled into India as gold bars or whatever. Lol ! ... Your scheme is a reasonable as a Bar Mitzvah in a Bankok Brothel. OffWorld
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: tmo banking
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 9:41 PM, off_world_beings no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Lol ! ... Your scheme is a reasonable as a Bar Mitzvah in a Bankok Brothel. OffWorld Thank you. Let me file that one away under stolen assonance and alliteration.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Finances
'honest-services fraud' redresses the deprivation of an intangible right to another's honest services. In 1988, Congress criminalized a scheme or artifice to deprive another of the intangible right of honest services under the mail- and wire-fraud statutes. Conviction carries a maximum sentence of 20 years. ... In the public sector, cases typically involve bribery or some other personal gain by a public official, such as a failure to disclose a conflict of interest that benefited the official. ... Prosecutors use the honest-services charge against private-sector individuals, too, such as corporate executives, usually in cases involving kickbacks or circumstances where the executives have cheated a company. Unlike garden-variety criminal fraud, which requires that a victim was bilked out of tangible property, such as money, honest-services fraud redresses the deprivation of an intangible right to another's honest services. -Wall Street Journal --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_li...@... wrote: I noticed that guidestar.org had the 06 tax filing for Maharishi global development fund, which the latest available. MGDF is one of innumerable tmo orgs in the US, but appears to be the most significant financially. It's interesting to me primarily because of how much money it's been transferring to offshore accts the past decade via grants. In 06 it transferred about $38 million offshore, continuing the trend. I also noticed though that it gave almost $12 million to Maharishi Vedic Education Development Corp, located on MUM campus, whose purpose is to teach TM according to the filing. I was curious about this org. so I looked up its filing. Actually this seems to be a pretty big org, taking in over $23 million in grants and revenues in that same year it got the big grant from MGDF. It's difficult to know exactly how it spent that money, but it does itemize: over $9 million in salaries and wages though not listed by individual, $3m for occupancy which I guess means rent but that seems extraordinarily high for such an org., $2.3m in PR, $900,000 for conferences, $600,000 for travel, $360,000 for bookkeeping, $415,000 for telephone, and various other stuff. IT also gives some grants to other tmo orgs. I thought the $9 million in salaries/wages might include wages to laborers for building the world peace centers, but the balance sheet doesn't list anything like that, so it's not going into hard assets like real estate. Bevan is president, feldman treasurer, though norin isquith appears to do the books. Would love to know who's getting the big salary dollars. o
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Finances
Is a Big subject. Also do a google search on internal revenue service tax fraud Tax fraud can be reported to the IRS through the IRS webpage. The IRS does give substantial rewards for big fraud. What they do need are some good pointers for discovering people, their income and tax filings. This looks like you have found that. The IRS has been interested in recent years in 'non-profit' tax- exempt shell organizations. Excessive pay and reimbursement abuse. The conflict of in-bred organizational directors, trustees and executive pay/ reimbursement. of course, TM-orgs have never been known for the clarity of their transparency. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_li...@... wrote: I noticed that guidestar.org had the 06 tax filing for Maharishi global development fund, which the latest available. MGDF is one of innumerable tmo orgs in the US, but appears to be the most significant financially. It's interesting to me primarily because of how much money it's been transferring to offshore accts the past decade via grants. In 06 it transferred about $38 million offshore, continuing the trend. I also noticed though that it gave almost $12 million to Maharishi Vedic Education Development Corp, located on MUM campus, whose purpose is to teach TM according to the filing. I was curious about this org. so I looked up its filing. Actually this seems to be a pretty big org, taking in over $23 million in grants and revenues in that same year it got the big grant from MGDF. It's difficult to know exactly how it spent that money, but it does itemize: over $9 million in salaries and wages though not listed by individual, $3m for occupancy which I guess means rent but that seems extraordinarily high for such an org., $2.3m in PR, $900,000 for conferences, $600,000 for travel, $360,000 for bookkeeping, $415,000 for telephone, and various other stuff. IT also gives some grants to other tmo orgs. I thought the $9 million in salaries/wages might include wages to laborers for building the world peace centers, but the balance sheet doesn't list anything like that, so it's not going into hard assets like real estate. Bevan is president, feldman treasurer, though norin isquith appears to do the books. Would love to know who's getting the big salary dollars.
