[FairfieldLife] FFL Picture Is Missing in the Title Page

2013-08-30 Thread jr_esq

[FairfieldLife] Most of us dint know this?

2013-08-30 Thread cardemaister

[FairfieldLife] TV review: "The Bridge" (crappy US version)

2013-08-30 Thread turquoiseb
I finally got around to watching the first episode of the American remake of one of the best TV series in recent years, Denmark's "Bron/Broen." Other than sharing a title ("The Bridge") and a basic plotline, the two series seem to have little to do with one another. One was brilliant, the other (yo

[FairfieldLife] Ramana Ashram Kumbabishekam Part Two

2013-08-30 Thread Richard
Second part on the Kumbabishekam aat Sri Ramanasramam. http://richardarunachala.wordpress.com/2013/08/30/ramanasramam-kumbabishekam-part-2/ Richard

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Groups Format?

2013-08-30 Thread Share Long
Bhairitu, I haven't been able to see that picture at all! Not even when I visited the group home page via Yahoo Groups! From: Bhairitu To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Groups Forma

[FairfieldLife] Re: TV review: "The Bridge" (crappy US version)

2013-08-30 Thread doctordumbass
Speaking of being able to watch European detective series, here in the US, the MHz Worldview channel, out of Washington, DC, rocks. It is the only source I know of, possibly because it is non-commercial. I was watching "Detective Montalbano" last night, a series set in Sicily. Lively and engagi

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Picture Is Missing in the Title Page

2013-08-30 Thread Alex Stanley
JR wrote: > Hey, Rick > > Someone needs to paste back the FFL picture for the title page. Until everyone is burdened with the Neo interface, there will probably be no configuring done to the main page. And, considering that the new interface is set up to have a short, wide, banner-style image, i

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2013-08-30 Thread Share Long
Perhaps the sine qua non of being a professional editor is being particular about word usage and persnickety about following grammar rules. From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:02 PM Subject: RE: Re

[FairfieldLife] Re: New Groups Format?

2013-08-30 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Share Long wrote: > > Bhairitu, I haven't been able to see that picture at all! Not even when I visited the group home page via Yahoo Groups! > That's because you are still on the old interface. It's only in Neo that y

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

2013-08-30 Thread Alex Stanley
Forget that hippy stuff... time to turn it over to a new generation. What we need now is hip-hop music with twerking Mother Divine ladies in tight, flesh-colored, neck-to-ankle dresses. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > Transcendentalism has always been the counter-point a

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

2013-08-30 Thread Buck
Yeah, sound design introducing our TM leadership at public forum meetings on stage, instead of Hail to the Chief should play Joe Cocker's Something's Coming On as theme song for introducing John Hagelin as he comes up on stage to speak. Would be fabulous. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viL7V

[FairfieldLife] Re: Diamonds and Rust

2013-08-30 Thread obbajeeba
My question to all the name dropping from 0-60 in less than 1200 words, did it get him laid? Did it get him two in the bush? One for each spiritually iconic moment. I mean, it worked for the Weinstein brothersand that Virgin records owner dude. Did it work for the Turq? Does it to this day

[FairfieldLife] RE: TV review: "The Bridge" (crappy US version)

2013-08-30 Thread awoelflebater

[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: FFL Picture Is Missing in the Title Page

2013-08-30 Thread awoelflebater

[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: How the deluded see the world....

2013-08-30 Thread awoelflebater

[FairfieldLife] Wind Map

2013-08-30 Thread Richard J. Williams
"An invisible, ancient source of energy surrounds us—energy that powered the first explorations of the world, and that may be a key to the future. This map shows you the delicate tracery of wind flowing over the US." Wind Map: http://hint.fm/wind/

[FairfieldLife] New msg view shortens to “one line”.

2013-08-30 Thread dhamiltony2k5

[FairfieldLife] Re: New Groups Format?

2013-08-30 Thread Richard J. Williams
> > I haven't been able to see that picture at all! > > Not even when I visited the group home page via > > Yahoo Groups! > > Alex Stanley: > That's because you are still on the old interface. > It's only in Neo that you get the Kremlin pic: > Why are you guys so stressed out about the Yahoo

[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: How the deluded see the world....

2013-08-30 Thread dhamiltony2k5

[FairfieldLife] RE: FFL Picture Is Missing in the Title Page

2013-08-30 Thread iranitea

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2013-08-30 Thread Share Long
Wow! Thank you. It's beautiful! And so pertinent (-: From: Alex Stanley To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 7:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Groups Format?   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: >

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: FFL Picture Is Missing in the Title Page

2013-08-30 Thread j_alexander_stanley

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2013-08-30 Thread Share Long
Richard, IF I was stressed out about the new format, it would probably by for the same reason you're stressed out about people not formatting and snipping (-: I had no idea that long posts take up physical space. I thought it was all happening in the ether. Honestly. Anyway, it's nice to see t

[FairfieldLife] The Fairfield, Iowa Meditating Community

2013-08-30 Thread dhamiltony2k5

[FairfieldLife] RE: The Fairfield, Iowa Meditating Community

2013-08-30 Thread dhamiltony2k5

[FairfieldLife] RE: Rep. Grayson: the military industrial complex wants the Syrian strike

2013-08-30 Thread s3raphita

[FairfieldLife] RE: FFL Picture Is Missing in the Title Page

2013-08-30 Thread jr_esq

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2013-08-30 Thread awoelflebater

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2013-08-30 Thread Share Long
I like the new sign but I really liked the old sign because we have posters from all over the world and the old sign kind of celebrated that. I like the Kremlin pic too but it required a greater mental leap to connect! From: "jr_...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldL

[FairfieldLife] RE: FFL Picture Is Missing in the Title Page

2013-08-30 Thread emilymae.reyn

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2013-08-30 Thread Bhairitu
Did you look at FFL on your Android browser? It would become fairly obvious why they have this new interface. More and more people are looking at sites on mobile devices. The old format was not mobile friendly and Neo is. A lot of web sites are doing this. Basically you author the site for

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: FFL Picture Is Missing in the Title Page

2013-08-30 Thread Emily Reyn
Through email http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WANNqr-vcx0 From: "emilymae.r...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 8:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: FFL Picture Is Missing in the Title Page   Damn, so was I. Is it

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: FFL Picture Is Missing in the Title Page

2013-08-30 Thread j_alexander_stanley

Re: [FairfieldLife] TV review: "The Bridge" (crappy US version)

2013-08-30 Thread Bhairitu
I'll have to disagree with you on this because I've been enjoying the series. I don't think you get a good sense of it just off the first episode. Now to be fair I haven't watched the Danish version because the asshats do this thing when they get the right to keep it blocked in the US. By no

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: For Emily - and Bob & Ann

2013-08-30 Thread bobpriced

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2013-08-30 Thread authfriend

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2013-08-30 Thread j_alexander_stanley

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2013-08-30 Thread bobpriced

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2013-08-30 Thread Bhairitu
The one thing that Google Groups does that Yahoo could adopt is you have to select the "Quote original" option to have prior post included when you write a post. And if that option has been selected you still only get the reply but there is an option to display the quoted text. However I'm no

[FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Re: New Groups Format?

2013-08-30 Thread obbajeeba
This new format is making me more crazy than Share. See you guys in a few days. I am going to hang out with the drunks, and the Sea Cows in the spring fed river..have a great weekend, FFL peeps. OXO -Obba

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Rep. Grayson: the military industrial complex wants the Syrian strike

2013-08-30 Thread Bhairitu
The dummies at the White House are still trying to sell a damn attack this morning despite the fact that Americans are overwhelmingly opposed to it. On 08/30/2013 08:16 AM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: Re "The UK Parliament has rejected an attack.": A lot of the feedback on UK newspaper sites -

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2013-08-30 Thread authfriend

[FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Re: New Groups Format?

2013-08-30 Thread obbajeeba
I see not little dots. Only the one between my eyes on my forehead.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Picture Is Missing in the Title Page

2013-08-30 Thread obbajeeba
Share, enjoy your new subdasha change. Mine has changed too, today, giving me company with the Royal rebels. So far, so good. Last night I hung out with a bunch of pirates, and they too are have royal connections. Hug to you, sister star, we are jyotish sisters that's for shar. --- In Fairfiel

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: FFL Picture Is Missing in the Title Page

2013-08-30 Thread j_alexander_stanley

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2013-08-30 Thread emilymae.reyn

[FairfieldLife] new groups format?

2013-08-30 Thread authfriend

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2013-08-30 Thread Share Long
Bhairitu, I'll give you my answer on that if and when I get neo'd (-: From: Bhairitu To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Groups Format?   The one thing that Google Groups does that

[FairfieldLife] RE: new groups format?

2013-08-30 Thread anartaxius

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2013-08-30 Thread j_alexander_stanley

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2013-08-30 Thread Share Long
Bha, let's see how sane Obbajee is living in 99F 37C weather and sleeping room was above 80F 26C last night because window AC is old and worn out. From: obbajeeba To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 11:28 AM Subject:

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2013-08-30 Thread j_alexander_stanley

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2013-08-30 Thread Emily Reyn
Thank you.  I figured it out I hope.  I won't ask you why my reply seemed to hook into John's email and why the interface keeps freezing up on me. Back to email for now; change comes slow to us who are dyed-in-the-wool recalcitrants.   Working on that one though.  Maybe the email messages will st

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: new groups format?

2013-08-30 Thread authfriend

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2013-08-30 Thread Share Long
Obbajee, it already feels lighter, thank God, hugs back atcha except it is broiling here today and sweatiness is happening (-: From: obbajeeba To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 11:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Picture I

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2013-08-30 Thread Emily Reyn
Judy, h.Yes, the reply feature is weird.  I've got to go but will check back later.  Thanks for your help.   From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 10:00 AM Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife]

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: new groups format?

2013-08-30 Thread anartaxius

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Picture Is Missing in the Title Page

2013-08-30 Thread obbajeeba
Share 7 Elevens are really cold if you stand near the coolers. Go and read the ingredients on all the products. That can buy you about 2 hours in extreme arctic climate. I pray for you, Share. I pray Surya is kind to me on this new day of time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share L

[FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Re: New Groups Format?

2013-08-30 Thread obbajeeba
OH look! The old format with rich text! Yay! First, thanks to Auth. I will read your description of what to do on Monday. Share, I am going to sleep in odd places the next 3 evenings. Let's tell war stories on Monday. Unless I can escape Sunday evening. I am babysitting people who find fun as n

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2013-08-30 Thread Share Long
dear bob's your uncle (yes, I've been waiting to use that one on you), mental leaping is all well and good but Funny Farm Lounge and Kremlin... hmmm, OTOH From: "bobpri...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 11:08 AM Sub

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2013-08-30 Thread Michael Jackson
I found when the first time I used the stupid crappy Neo that I was replying to people at the noreply@yahoogroups, but it was actually being sent to their private e-mail address that I didn't have. From: "anartax...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.c

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2013-08-30 Thread authfriend

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2013-08-30 Thread Share Long
No 7 11s in FF Obbadohba but very creative idea except for loitering which is against the law in USA, funny strange place that it is. for new antaradasha from Vyasa's prayer to planets: I pray to Surya, the day maker, destroyer of all sins, the enemy of darkness, of great brilliance, the descend

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: new groups format?

2013-08-30 Thread authfriend

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2013-08-30 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 8/30/2013 10:56 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Did you look at FFL on your Android browser? It would become fairly obvious why they have this new interface. More and more people are looking at sites on mobile devices. The old format was not mobile friendly and Neo is. Oh great! Now the nerds can

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2013-08-30 Thread authfriend

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2013-08-30 Thread bobpriced

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2013-08-30 Thread j_alexander_stanley

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2013-08-30 Thread Rick Archer
The old photo was cool, with Fairfield taking off into outer space, but it was more or less square and didn’t fit the new format. I’m happy with the new horizontal one Alex uploaded. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of j_alexander_stan...@y

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[FairfieldLife] RE: Rep. Grayson: the military industrial complex wants the Syrian strike

2013-08-30 Thread jr_esq

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2013-08-30 Thread authfriend

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2013-08-30 Thread sharelong60
Alex, it didn't come to my email inbox, but it came to Message View. Shoot, I don't even know it that's helpful info!

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2013-08-30 Thread Share Long
And what about all the RE RE RE RE RE RE RE! From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 1:13 PM Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: FFL Picture Is Missing in the Title Page   Nop

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2013-08-30 Thread Share Long
Yep, NOW I got it in my yahoo email inbox. Don't know if this is helpful either! From: "j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 1:07 PM Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: FFL Picture

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Rep. Grayson: the military industrial complex wants the Syrian strike

2013-08-30 Thread authfriend

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2013-08-30 Thread Share Long
Yes, I realized he was replying to you Judy. I was just offering feedback in case it might be of use. Since I've not been neo'd yet, I don't know what's going on even more than usual! From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Frid

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Groups Format?

2013-08-30 Thread Bhairitu
On 08/30/2013 10:24 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 8/30/2013 10:56 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Did you look at FFL on your Android browser? It would become fairly obvious why they have this new interface. More and more people are looking at sites on mobile devices. The old format was not mobil

[FairfieldLife] RE: Wind Map

2013-08-30 Thread dhamiltony2k5

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2013-08-30 Thread Share Long
And here I thought my high tech savvy was so useful... From: "j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 1:29 PM Subject: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: FFL Picture Is Missing in the Ti

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2013-08-30 Thread judy stein
Even more reason for you not to try to be helpful. On Fri, 8/30/13, Share Long wrote: Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: FFL Picture Is Missing in the Title Page To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Date: Friday, August 30, 2013,

RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Wind Map

2013-08-30 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dhamiltony...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 1:44 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Wind Map Still, if things get really bad with climate change Fairfield is still a

[FairfieldLife] This is Only a Test

2013-08-30 Thread Richard J. Williams
This is a test to see if breaking lines at 40-50 characters is easy to read and easy to reply to. I'm using rich text with hyper text links and HTML. This is only a test. We don't need no education We don't need no thought control No dark sarcasm in the classroom Teachers leave them kids alone He

[FairfieldLife] What is the payload for this rocket?

2013-08-30 Thread Bhairitu
The launch of the world's largest rocket the other day from Vandenberg. Top secret payload. Maybe an EMF device that will sent Russia and China back to the dark ages? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL1dEBZ6Vyc

[FairfieldLife] A good TV interview on PTSD in the USA -- Huge breakthroughs coming in Latin America

2013-08-30 Thread Dick Mays
From: Maharishi's Global Family Chat Subject: [News] MGF Chat 20 August 2013 - A good TV interview on PTSD in the USA -- Huge breakthroughs coming in Latin America Date: August 30, 2013 7:15:21 AM CDT To: "Richard Mays" Maharishi’s Global Family Chat 20 August 2013 Video archives |Summary on

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Rep. Grayson: the military industrial complex wants the Syrian strike

2013-08-30 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 8/30/2013 1:13 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: It doesn't look like the rest of the world community wants another war either. This is a question that has to be settled at the UN. If Assad is guilty of violating the international law, he should be tried at the Hague for crimes against humanit

Re: [FairfieldLife] This is Only a Test

2013-08-30 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 8/30/2013 2:22 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: This is a test to see if breaking lines at 40-50 characters is easy to read and easy to reply to. I'm using rich text with hyper text links and HTML. This is only a test. This is a test to see if breaking lines at 40-50 characters is easy to r

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Rep. Grayson: the military industrial complex wants the Syrian strike

2013-08-30 Thread Bhairitu
On 08/30/2013 12:50 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 8/30/2013 1:13 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: It doesn't look like the rest of the world community wants another war either. This is a question that has to be settled at the UN. If Assad is guilty of violating the international law, he sho

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Rep. Grayson: the military industrial complex wants the Syrian strike

2013-08-30 Thread Mike Dixon
Kind of damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Nobody wants to help him. Wasn't that what he was all about when elected, getting international cooperation on these kinds of *projects*? Bush had coalition of the willing, about 50 nations, Obama 0. Must be *racism* on a world stage.

[FairfieldLife] Re: This is Only a Test

2013-08-30 Thread Richard J. Williams
Yes, I can read this text easily and it's easy to make a reply. The test is complete. RFC. Just click on Reply, key in your message at the top and press Enter after keying in 40-50 characters. Press Preview and then click Send. Whole Foods Market Sidewalk Cafe at the Vineyard:

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