[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-19 Thread Jason
--- sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: snip That indeed might be the case. In which case, all of MMY's pontificating about full enlightenment meaning that one never makes mistakes was merely the wishful ramblings of yet another religious fanatic trying to justify the extremes of his

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: --- sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: snip That indeed might be the case. In which case, all of MMY's pontificating about full enlightenment meaning that one never makes mistakes was merely the wishful ramblings of yet

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-18 Thread Robin Carlsen
Dear Lawson, Just one thing you should know: By definition Unity Consciousness means the individual intention for one's actions does not start with oneself. It starts with cosmic intelligence. This was very much my experience. So, unless cosmic intelligence decided to make accomplishing the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-18 Thread sparaig
All of this ignores my observation that IF you were involved with the TM-Sidhis practice at some point, you WOULD have manifested the ability to float during your TM-Sidhis practice as part of your transition to Unity, according to MMY's claim that full enlightenment can be tested by the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-18 Thread salyavin808
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: All of this ignores my observation that IF you were involved with the TM-Sidhis practice at some point, you WOULD have manifested the ability to float during your TM-Sidhis practice as part of your transition to Unity,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: All of this ignores my observation that IF you were involved with the TM-Sidhis practice at some point, you WOULD have manifested the ability

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-18 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: All of this ignores my observation that IF you were involved with the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-18 Thread iranitea
Robin, the very moment you start to DEFEND your own enlightenment, there is already something wrong. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Dear Lawson, Just one thing you should know: By definition Unity Consciousness means the individual intention

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-18 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: ...I have my own reasons for continuing that go beyond whatever beliefs I had

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-18 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: Robin, the very moment you start to DEFEND your own enlightenment, there is already something wrong. I didn't read any of this, and won't. It's too sad to participate in, even vicariously. I'm commenting because the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-18 Thread iranitea
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: Robin, the very moment you start to DEFEND your own enlightenment, there is already something wrong. I didn't read any of this, and won't. It's too

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-18 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
Welcome back Robin. I did not say anything earlier, not sure you were going to stay a while. And I do not seem to have much time lately to wade through voluminous text. I think your analysis below has some weight to it. As Susan hinted at earlier, I think the state you were experiencing was a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: All of this ignores my observation that IF you were involved with the TM-Sidhis practice at some point, you WOULD have manifested the ability to float during your TM-Sidhis practice as part of your transition to Unity,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-18 Thread authfriend
Xeno, can you fly? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Welcome back Robin. I did not say anything earlier, not sure you were going to stay a while. And I do not seem to have much time lately to wade through voluminous text. I think your

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-18 Thread Robin Carlsen
Dear Lawson, I was NOT practising the TM-Sidhis during [my] transition to Unity. Maharishi introduced us (on my Sixth Month Course) to the sidhis *after* I 'slipped into Unity', and even then they were not formalized; there was no hopping; they were given out just like mantras, and we did them

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-18 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
I am not a siddha. What does this have to do with enlightenment? Who in the TMO, including MMY have demonstrated this? I am speaking of scientifically confirmed levitation, even temporary and partial (reduction of body mass, not necessarily floating). Names, places, researchers, and peer

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-18 Thread authfriend
Just to acknowledge that according to what Robin says in his post to Lawson on this, what I've said here is irrlevant/off base. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: All of this ignores my

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: I am not a siddha. What does this have to do with enlightenment? Has to do with a conversation Lawson and I and Robin were having about MMY's statement that being able to fly is the sine qua non of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-18 Thread authfriend
It's amazing how both of you seem to keep forgetting, over and over, that Robin has said--also over and over-- that he's no longer enlightened. Yet you keep trying to hold him to your standards of enlightenment and suggesting he's a fraud because he doesn't meet them. This tag-team, pile-on

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: snip That indeed might be the case. In which case, all of MMY's pontificating about full enlightenment meaning that one never makes mistakes was merely the wishful ramblings of yet another religious fanatic trying to justify

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-18 Thread Robin Carlsen
Good one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: snip That indeed might be the case. In which case, all of MMY's pontificating about full enlightenment meaning that one never makes mistakes was

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: snip That indeed might be the case. In which case, all of MMY's pontificating about full enlightenment meaning that one never makes mistakes was merely the

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2012-06-18 Thread Share Long
Hmmm, I wonder if perfection is like karma.  You know, unfathomable (-: From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 1:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-18 Thread Susan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Dear Xeno, Nice post. Terrific C. S,. Lewis quote. Now please don't misunderstand me, I am only asking a question, not trying

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Siddhi means perfection. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/siddhi?s=t LOL. You're going by an online English

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: [...] snip By the time I actually learned Yogic Flying in the Summer of 1985 (84?) I can't recall for sure, but I think you and I figured out at some

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread salyavin808
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Siddhi means perfection.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Just kind of curious Barry. Science as far as I know does not examine the notion of breath, or prana, and the different types of pranas. And yet eastern literature discusses prana and the different types of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread Jason
Robin you say that you had to transfer your allegience to another reality. There is only one reality. Has it occured to you that both east and west could be wrong or both partially right.? Do you realise that by completely rejecting the east, you have in effect 'thrown the baby along with

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: Whatever, I remember the lectures and can't help noticing it all came to nought. Except the part about creating a situation where some of the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread iranitea
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: Robin you say that you had to transfer your allegience to another reality. There is only one reality. Has it occured to you that both east and west could be wrong or both partially right.? Do you realise that by

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread iranitea
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Face it Robin, you were *never* enlightened in the first place. Bingo! The conclusion is therefore: not the Maharishi was deceived, but Robin was (and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread salyavin808
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - mahavakyas

2012-06-17 Thread Share Long
their own inherent high vibe. From: iranitea no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 8:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: I cannot help, and notice the strong emotional sense of nostalgia in [deleted]'s report. I think many TM teachers can identify with these feelings, the memories of being on rounding courses and so on. I know these feelings,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread iranitea
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: Whatever, I remember the lectures and can't help noticing it all came

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: Robin you say that you had to transfer your allegience to another reality. There is only one reality. Has it occured to you that both east and west could be wrong or both partially right.? Do you realise that by

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: I *like* this new, more saloon-like ambiance of spirituality. There is a Been-There-Done-That-ed-ness about it that I find also contains balance, and a greater sense of acceptance of and comfort with Who One Is Right Here,

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2012-06-17 Thread Share Long
What's a twif?  Wasn't in official welcoming glossary (-: From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 11:08 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread Share Long
: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Face it Robin, you were *never* enlightened in the first place. Bingo! The conclusion is therefore: not the Maharishi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: What's a twif?  Wasn't in official welcoming glossary (-: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=twif

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: What's a twif?  Wasn't in official welcoming glossary (-: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=twif I dispute this, and

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2012-06-17 Thread Share Long
Oy!  Who says FFL isn't educational?  (-: From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 11:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread authfriend
It isn't clear what discrepancy iranitea is referring to between anything Lawson or Judy say here about Sid(d)his, because Lawson and I have been saying the same things. I suspect what he meant to suggest is that there's a discrepancy between what Lawson and I are saying *and something else*, but

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2012-06-17 Thread Share Long
Ah, higher education (-: From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 11:44 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread Jason
--- turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: I *like* this new, more saloon-like ambiance of spirituality. There is a Been-There-Done-That-ed-ness about it that I find also contains balance, and a greater sense of acceptance of and comfort with Who One Is Right Here, Right Now, than the I'll

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread salyavin808
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: I *like* this new, more saloon-like ambiance of spirituality. There is a Been-There-Done-That-ed-ness about it that I find also contains balance, and a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread merudanda
just for fun for other lurkers It's partly just a habit I accidentally picked up and now can't kick, partly a perplexing puzzle..Uli Hesse [;)] .lol Aber unter uns: So ein ordentliches Männerspiel ist schon ein bisschen kraftvoller ... Hm ... Vielleicht ist es doch besser, wenn der Trainer kokst.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread Jason
Judy, you do at times have the tendency to go off on a tangent. The point is in the begining MMY didn't consider siddhis as important. Then for a brief period of time it was considered important. Then, in the 80's due to lawsuits again a U-turn was made that it was meant only for

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: snip Face it Robin, you were *never* enlightened in the first place. Bingo! The conclusion is therefore: not the Maharishi was deceived, but Robin was (and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: Judy, you do at times have the tendency to go off on a tangent. Could you identify the tangent I went on for me, please? The point is in the begining MMY didn't consider siddhis as important. Before he started to develop

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: Whatever, I remember the lectures and can't help noticing it all came

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: [...] Whatever, I remember the lectures and can't help noticing it all came to nought. Except the part about creating a situation where

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread salyavin808
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: There's no end of bullshit some people will believe. Obviously. However, if one suspends all common sense (to use your term) while participating in something, and then decides that that something doesn't

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: Judy, you do at times have the tendency to go off on a tangent. The point is in the begining MMY didn't consider siddhis as important. Then for a brief period of time it was considered important. Then, in the 80's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: snip Face it Robin, you were *never* enlightened in the first place. Bingo! The

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: [...] . Now it is mostly ignored�except for people like David Orme-Johnson. But I suppose the writing was on the wall when the judge in New Jersey ruled that TM was a religion (Malik versus Yogi 1977). That for me,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: [...] Nope, wrong, sorry. The presentations and brochures when the TM-Sidhis course was first made available to the rank and file in 1976 said the practice was for developing enlightenment, the supernormal performances being

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread sparaig
Has it ever occured to you that you threw out the baby with the bath water? That TM and TM-Sidhis practice are beneficial in their own right, regardless of the overblown rhetoric that was used to sell them to you? L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: snip And full blown UC is different than having valid experiences of UC which is what apparently MMY said about Robin at one point. I make the case that many of Robin's issues stemmed from the fact that he missed [or rejected]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread salyavin808
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Has it ever occured to you that you threw out the baby with the bath water? Nope, I still do TM but because I like it not because I'm kidding myself it's doing anything more than put a nice shine on things. Any further

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: snip Face it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] Nope, wrong, sorry. The presentations and brochures when the TM-Sidhis course was first made available to the rank and file in 1976 said the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: snip And full blown UC is different than having valid experiences of UC which is what apparently MMY said about Robin at one point. I make the case that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] Nope, wrong, sorry. The presentations and brochures when the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread Susan
I'm chiming in late on this topic, but I was there when the siddhis were first taught to us. And my recollection (contrary to yours Barry) is that, right from the beginning, MMY talked about them as a technique to promote the ability to maintain PC while in activity, and also as a test of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: snip And full blown UC is different than having valid experiences of UC which is what

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Has it ever occured to you that you threw out the baby with the bath water? Nope, I still do TM but because I like it not because I'm kidding

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread iranitea
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Judy, you do at times have the tendency to go off on a tangent. The point is in the begining MMY didn't consider siddhis as important. Then

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - mahavakyas

2012-06-17 Thread iranitea
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 8:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Robin you say that you had to transfer your allegience to another reality. There is only one reality

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread iranitea
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: I *like* this new, more saloon-like ambiance of spirituality. There is a Been-There-Done-That-ed-ness about it that I find also contains balance, and a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: [...] Bottom line, there's no way we can tell what state of consciousness Robin was in. But it's entirely possible to rule out some of the reasons that have been given for believing he was not in UC. Fred Travis sometimes

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Judy, you do at times have the tendency to go off on a tangent.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: [...] Why did he wait until Robin had precipitated a crisis at MIU--even telling Bevan prior to that to leave Robin alone--if he knew all along Robin wasn't in UC? He was having valid experiences of UC, according to all

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -

2012-06-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] Why did he wait until Robin had precipitated a crisis at MIU--even telling Bevan prior to that to leave Robin alone--if he knew all along Robin wasn't

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - mahavakyas

2012-06-17 Thread Share Long
Do you mean:  Not sure about That? (-: From: iranitea no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 5:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - mahavakyas   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long

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2012-06-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] Why did he wait until Robin had precipitated a crisis at MIU--even telling Bevan

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2012-06-16 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: You've been had is what. But the TMO train you to rationalise your way round that, you'll probably tell me that the siddhis are designed to speed up the positive effects of TM and not to gain supernormal powers -

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2012-06-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: [...] Not really the point though is it? If TM lived up to its claims you wouldn't be able to get stuck. Hmmm??? People get stuck in

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2012-06-16 Thread Share Long
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:08 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: [...] Not really the point though is it? If TM lived up

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2012-06-16 Thread salyavin808
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: [...] Not really the point though is it? If TM lived up to its claims

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2012-06-16 Thread Share Long
: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote

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2012-06-16 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I've continued my TM Sidhi practice and added healing modalities such as EFT tapping. I actually think TM helps me make wiser decisions concerning such. No personal offense meant, but this is just priceless. Can you

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2012-06-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig

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2012-06-16 Thread Jason
--- Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: I've continued my TM Sidhi practice and added healing modalities such as EFT tapping. I actually think TM helps me make wiser decisions concerning such. --- turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: No personal offense meant, but this is just

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2012-06-16 Thread Share Long
. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 10:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I've continued my TM Sidhi

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2012-06-16 Thread salyavin808
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Siddhi means perfection. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/siddhi?s=t LOL. You're going by an online English dictionary's definition of a technical Sanskrit term? Technical term interpreted for you by

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2012-06-16 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Siddhi means perfection. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/siddhi?s=t LOL. You're going by an online English

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2012-06-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: snip And... it was presented to me that the purpose of the TM-Sidhis was to create a situation where pure consciousness would somehow be carried into extremely dynamic activity in very unusual ways, and that that was the real

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2012-06-16 Thread seventhray1
Just kind of curious Barry. Science as far as I know does not examine the notion of breath, or prana, and the different types of pranas. And yet eastern literature discusses prana and the different types of prana quite a bit, and often authoritatively. Because science, or at least western

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2012-06-16 Thread authfriend
Ask him how he'd explain seeing the Rama dude levitate and make golden light and go invisible and so on in non-hooey terms. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Just kind of curious Barry. Science as far as I know does not examine the notion of breath,

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2012-06-15 Thread salyavin808
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: The only way out is through Now there's some wisdom. The thing

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2012-06-15 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: For many people, it is, but they tend to have a real life and not get stuck working for the TMO. Not really the point though is it? If TM lived

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2012-06-15 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: For many people, it is, but they tend to have a real life and not get stuck

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2012-06-15 Thread Robert
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: For many people, it is, but they tend to have a real life and not get stuck working for the TMO. Not really the point though is it? If TM lived up to its claims you wouldn't be able to get stuck. Just to

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2012-06-15 Thread salyavin808
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: That is why Guru Dev could do a Yagya in India, to 'End WWII' and because he was 'Operating from a non-localized Place'... Of all the delusions you recount below I find this one actually offensive. I only find it offensive

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