[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-03 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/7/06 4:32 PM, Paul Mason at premanandpaul@ wrote: I have been practising transcendental meditation regularly for well over three decades now, but that has not made me a 'true believer'. Thank God. Ingegerd

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-03 Thread Paul Mason
At one time the puja pictures were available by mail order from Holland, but they were only colour litho prints not oil paintings. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Thanks t3,

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-03 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That someone can sell a technique to help people relax does not automatically make them a saint. An excellent point. One of the *foundations* of the True Believer mentality is if this person taught me or told me one

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-03 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At one time the puja pictures were available by mail order from Holland, but they were only colour litho prints not oil paintings. That's true for all the initiation pictures. We printed them in Rheinweiler. --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-03 Thread Robert Gimbel
(snip) An excellent point. One of the *foundations* of the True Believer mentality is if this person taught me or told me one thing that has proved useful or true, then everything he says is useful and true. Extrapolating from this assumption, over time True Believers put the leader of

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-03 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fuck off and die is intended to give offense and arouse strong feelings of hostility, contrary to what Barry is telling Michael. Not a *threat*, but most definitely not innocuous (which is what I said earlier). Yes,I

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-03 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That someone can sell a technique to help people relax does not automatically make them a saint. That someone is able to recognize that the essential recipe of sainthood-for-all is the simplest of relaxation

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-03 Thread randymeltzer
The story I heard about the puja painting of Guru Dev (can't remember from whom it was, but it was in the late 90's), was that it was done by an artist in India. A TM teacher while travelling in India, happenned to wander into this artist's shop and saw the painting on the wall. He asked the

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-03 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your constant mantra that you're not trying to convince anybody of anything, Barry, is a crock. It's an excuse you haul out to get yourself off the hook when somebody mounts a solid challenge to whatever you're trying

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-03 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) An excellent point. One of the *foundations* of the True Believer mentality is if this person taught me or told me one thing that has proved useful or true, then everything he says is useful and true.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-03 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Sep 2, 2006, at 7:31 PM, bob_brigante wrote: So you are claiming that although MMY left India and taught you and millions of other Westerners TM, a practice which you say brings the light, and which practice you say you have practiced for 30 years, you do not regard discomfort around MMY

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-03 Thread Paul Mason
Another piece of jigsaw puzzle, thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, randymeltzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The story I heard about the puja painting of Guru Dev (can't remember from whom it was, but it was in the late 90's), was that it was done by an artist in India. A TM teacher

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-03 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Your constant mantra that you're not trying to convince anybody of anything, Barry, is a crock. It's an excuse you haul out to get yourself off the

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-03 Thread wmurphy77
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another piece of jigsaw puzzle, thanks. snip So what happened when you looked in MMY's eyes that caused you to stop meditating? (P.S. Like your website BTW.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-03 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 2, 2006, at 7:31 PM, bob_brigante wrote: So you are claiming that although MMY left India and taught you and millions of other Westerners TM, a practice which you say brings the light, and which practice

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-03 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip In spiritual movements, the most common criterion these days is that if the followers have been trained to believe that the leader is almost by definition unable to do anything wrong or make a mistake, anyone who

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-03 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: What's so ironic in this case is that your story about MMY *wasn't even a challenge*,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-03 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Sep 3, 2006, at 10:35 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 2, 2006, at 7:31 PM, bob_brigante wrote: So you are claiming that although MMY left India and taught you and millions of other Westerners TM, a practice which

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-03 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip As I've been saying for some time--and LB Shriver also commented recently--some of the True NON-Believers here, Barry in particular, are utterly

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-03 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, as there is no way to prove, if a vision is true or not, it would have been impossible to demonize MMY. As you say, everything is possible, but to me the story MMY retells about the beginning of the movement,

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-03 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the temple is within a short walk of where three oceans meet. By bathing there one is reported to wash away all sins. Needless to say, I am sinless. :) Great. I lost my hotelkey there, while swimming. There are

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-03 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev on 9/3/06 3:48 PM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you know that at the side toward Viv. island, at the temple walls lived a great Avadhuta, Mayi Amma? She is on one of the early videos of Ammachi who visited her

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-03 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That someone can sell a technique to help people relax does not automatically make them a saint. *** Every post you make only serves to further reduce your credibility. Anybody who has actually practiced

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: The thing that strikes me as a little odd is that without exception,

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I just think it's fascinating is all, and I look forward to what is inevitably going to happen after Maharishi himself dies. The *same*

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Unfortunately, Barry can't deal with teachers who deal in contradictions and have different answers to life's questions, depending on the state of

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Unfortunately, Barry can't deal with teachers who deal in contradictions and

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had an active relationship with His Holiness for many many years. Is it out of the norm? Sure! Yes! Of course! Is it absolutely real? Sure! Yes! Of course! Should I deny it, or not speak about it, or doubt

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread Paul Mason
Guru Dev repeatedly said that he was not forwarding his own beliefs, but those of the Shastras that others should live by the Shastras, not by their own initiative. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guru Dev repeatedly said that he was not forwarding his own beliefs, but those of the Shastras that others should live by the Shastras, not by their own initiative. Yes, I believe so. But even the understanding of

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread Paul Mason
And that is a major role of the Guru to settle such disputes over the meaning of the Shastras and clarify about apparent contradictions. Which is why they are supposed to be so-o-o-o learned, AND be in the light entirely. Incidentally I am not presenting my own view on this, but that which I

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: I've had an active relationship with His Holiness for many many years. Is it out of the norm? Sure! Yes! Of course! Is it absolutely real? Sure!

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread Paul Mason
Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev behind my research work since way way back, whether it be wandering in the jungle chatting with swamis or trawling the internet or puzzling over the meaning of a rarely used Sanskrit word. I guess I am an unlikely conduit for his

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev behind my research work since way way back, whether it be wandering in the jungle chatting with swamis or trawling the internet or puzzling over the

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Unfortunately, Barry can't deal with teachers who deal in contradictions and have

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev behind my research work since way way back, whether it be wandering in the jungle chatting with swamis or trawling the internet or puzzling over the meaning

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And that is a major role of the Guru to settle such disputes over the meaning of the Shastras and clarify about apparent contradictions. Which is why they are supposed to be so-o-o-o learned, AND be in the light

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread Paul Mason
I anticipated the need to present Guru Dev's views on caste and soforth and I am right now working up a translation, should be ready in about half hour or so. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In almost every case, the claims themselves cannot possibly be either verified or disproven. So my personal litmus test when dealing with such claims (*especially* claims of communicating with the dead teacher) is to

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev behind my research work since way way back, whether it be wandering in the jungle chatting with swamis or trawling the internet or puzzling over the meaning

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the case of your ex-Guru Rama, people channeling him were doing so on an established authority within the community, which they were using to give messages. Michael, you should stick to what you actually know

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip My personal feeling is that the more one feels that they have to justify their decision to others, the greater chance there is that it was a bad one. But heaven help you if you wonder aloud in Barry's hearing

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: In the case of your ex-Guru Rama, people channeling him were doing so on an established authority within the community, which they were using to give

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: He took GD's advice for himself... Uh, excuse me...it seems to me that

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip In this particular case, you seem to have heard and chosen to believe a rumor THAT IS NOT EVEN MOVEMENT DOGMA. I never heard such a story, and I'd be willing to believe that many others here haven't, either. I

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread nablus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev behind my research work since way way back, whether it be wandering in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread Paul Mason
Does anyone have a copy of the photograph that t3rinity is referring to? It is to the left of MMY on page 53 of 'Thirty Years Around the World'. It looks like the photo that the puja portrait was painted from. An in-transit picture is at:-

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread Paul Mason
What bar are you propping up today? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Okay, it is time for me to

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev behind my research work since way way back, whether it be wandering in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread nablus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What bar are you propping up today? I'm just having a peek into your future my friend. It's spontanous, can't help it. Amend your ways. Why create more karma than necessary. We should long for the opposite. --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why Maharishi cut your scorpion-country off is getting more and more obvious with people like you on board. Obviously, you will reap what you sow. As we all shall. But you, my friend; be prepared

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why Maharishi cut your scorpion-country off is getting more and more obvious with people like you on board. Obviously, you will reap what you sow. As we all shall. But you, my friend; be prepared for

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread Peter
--- nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What bar are you propping up today? I'm just having a peek into your future my friend. It's spontanous, can't help it. Amend your ways. Why create more karma than

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread Paul Mason
Isn't the puja painting by Acharya. Clearly, Raj Varma painted portraits of Guru Dev, but I'm not sure which. I wrote to him back in the 1970's and asked him for any photos of Guru Dev that he had taken. He sent me about half a dozen which alas are no longer accessible, but hopefully, they

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread Marek Reavis
Comment below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Does anyone have a copy of the photograph that t3rinity is referring to? It is to the left of MMY on page 53 of 'Thirty

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread Ingegerd
I have some notes from 9th February 1970, where MMY talks about the start of SRM, the notes is written from a Audio Tape: When Guru Dev left his body I retired to the Himalayas where Guru Dev had met his Guru Dev. I felt I should go to Ramesh Waroom - I asked the saints. One was 90 years old.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guru Dev repeatedly said that he was not forwarding his own beliefs, but those of the Shastras that others should live by the Shastras, not by their own initiative. That was his job, afterall... While every good

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Guru Dev repeatedly said that he was not forwarding his own beliefs, but those of the Shastras that others should live by the Shastras, not

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] It is this last phenomenon I expect to happen a LOT in the TM movement when Maharishi finally dies. I expect there to be at least half a dozen folks who start hearing messages from Maharishi and that mini-cults

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And that is a major role of the Guru to settle such disputes over the meaning of the Shastras and clarify about apparent contradictions. Which is why they are supposed to be so-o-o-o learned, AND be in the light

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev behind my research work since way way back, whether it be wandering in the jungle

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev behind my research work since way way back, whether it be wandering in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev behind

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vision of Guru Dev by MMY? Never heard it before today. Never heard of him 'painting a picture' before, unless you mean colouring a photograph which you mentioned over on the googlegroup many many months back, as I

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: What bar are you propping up today? I'm just having a peek into your future my friend. It's spontanous, can't help it. Amend your ways. Why

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread Paul Mason
on 8/7/06 4:32 PM, Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been practising transcendental meditation regularly for well over three decades now, but that has not made me a 'true believer'. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/7/06 4:32 PM, Paul Mason at premanandpaul@ wrote: I have been practising transcendental meditation regularly for well over three decades now, but that has not made me a 'true believer'. --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Unfortunately, Barry can't deal with teachers who deal in contradictions and have

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread Paul Mason
I have been practising transcendental meditation twice a day since October 1970. Oh a few times when I have been travelling or sick, I guess I went to sleep, did anyone else go there? Oh, and for the sake of research I have experimented with variants of the technique for some days at a time.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to clarify, I think Jim's handling his report- ing of his own subjective experiences fairly well. But I have seen other folks, in the Rama trip and others, who *definitely* used their visions of the now-dead

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been practising transcendental meditation twice a day since October 1970. Oh a few times when I have been travelling or sick, I guess I went to sleep, did anyone else go there? Oh, and for the sake of research

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread Paul Mason
Correction: for the record I dropped practice for a few weeks after seeing the look in MMYs eyes whilst standing near him in Royal Albert Hall London in the mid-1970's. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been practising transcendental meditation

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] snicker cunt. insect. microbe. virus. prion. Next.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'm just having a peek into your future my friend. It's spontanous, can't help it. Amend your ways. Why create more karma than necessary. We should long for the opposite. Nabby, so far you're judge jury.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...]

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread Paul Mason
Sometimes you talk sense Sometimes you talk rubbish... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: I have been practising transcendental meditation twice a day since October 1970. Oh a

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: I have been practising transcendental meditation twice a day since

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have a copy of the photograph that t3rinity is referring to? It is to the left of MMY on page 53 of 'Thirty Years Around the World'. It looks like the photo that the puja portrait was painted from. An

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread Paul Mason
Thanks t3, thanks for your thoroughness, wouldn't it be funny if it were MMY who actually did the puja painting, I suppose that is out of the question? He has been very interested in maintaining the use of this particular image Look at the name M T V Acharya - M(ahesh) T Varma? Well it's a

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't this forum open to all for public discussion? Yet you go out of your frame constantly. Saying: 'Fuck off and die' claiming this to be just a nice american idiom. Contrary to what Judy told you, it really

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: It just strikes me that those who claim to believe in Maharishi's theory *should* have an intellectual problem with running into the individual conscious- ness of someone they consider enlightened who died. It seems to

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have some notes from 9th February 1970, where MMY talks about the start of SRM, the notes is written from a Audio Tape: When Guru Dev left his body I retired to the Himalayas where Guru Dev had met his Guru Dev. I

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread Paul Mason
Just checked M T V Acharya on the net, and it came up with an artist based in Bangalore, so it could well have been he who did the puja portrait. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks t3, thanks for your thoroughness, wouldn't it be funny if it

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread wmurphy77
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Correction: for the record I dropped practice for a few weeks after seeing the look in MMYs eyes whilst standing near him in Royal Albert Hall London in the mid-1970's. Care to share what you saw??? To

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can repeat any hearsay you want to here, Michael. Just don't expect people to automat- ically believe it the way you seem to. Where did I say that you have to believe it? I really don't care. But IF its true, it

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: It just strikes me that those who claim to believe in Maharishi's theory *should* have an intellectual problem with running into the individual

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks t3, thanks for your thoroughness, wouldn't it be funny if it were MMY who actually did the puja painting, I suppose that is out of the question? No, I don't think so. He has been very interested in

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just checked M T V Acharya on the net, and it came up with an artist based in Bangalore, so it could well have been he who did the puja portrait. On the first hit: SHANKAR: Long time artist. I think shankar is active

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been practising transcendental meditation twice a day since October 1970. Oh a few times when I have been travelling or sick, I guess I went to sleep, did anyone else go there? Oh, and for the sake of

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-02 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Correction: for the record I dropped practice for a few weeks after seeing the look in MMYs eyes whilst standing near him in Royal Albert Hall London in the mid-1970's. * It's not uncommon

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