Jen I pray that you and everyone else involved manages to keep safe and keep
their animals safe too. I hope that homes etc... don't get too damaged either.
Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Where are you in Mississippi?
On Sep 21, 2005, at 1:39 PM, Julie wrote:
I volunteer for a group in Mississippi that rescues feral and
domesticated cats and does TNR or adopts them out. I am the main
foster home because I have a really big basement. Yesterday, I had
5 foster cats test
Good luck Jen--we're thinking of you all. Take care, and safe homecoming when
it's over. I'm praying for your home too.
V. glad you got somewhere to go and lots of other offers too--I just read one
million folks are on the move. Kerry
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Nina, just wondering how Gracie's doing---and you too. Continuing to
send healing vibes, and visualizing her sweet little furry head in that
bowl. Let us know when you get time, hugs to you both, Kerry
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My Beloved Group,
First of all, I'm sorry I haven't been able to participate fully in the
group this last couple of weeks. I love you all, but for the last
couple of days, I haven't even been able bring myself to read the
posts. I'm physically and emotionally exhausted by Grace and my last
Nina, I am so sorry. I do not think lack of fat makes veins smaller or harder to find, so though I may be wrong, I do not think that should be a concern. You know how I am, though, I do not think I would do it at all since she does not seem to be in active pain. I do think the annoyed look she
Nina,
I am so, so, sorry about you losing Grace. I think you are right, in
thinking that she feels it is time to go. I think she is turning away from
you to spare both of you more pain. I have had to euthanize very thin cats
as well and there has never been a problem. The tranquilizer has always
Nina,
My heart goes out to you - this is such a difficult time.
I would ask Grace what she wants - to go on her own or to be
assisted. If she asks for assistance, then I would also ask her
if she wants someone new to come now, or if she wants to wait
for her vet Dr.Ortega.
Please know that we
Michelle,
Thank you so much for answering my post. When I was struggling with
gathering the energy it took to actually write, I was thinking of you.
I wanted your opinion about this. I wish I were braver. Funny, isn't
it, I always think of myself as strong and brave, but when it comes to
Thank you Joan for sharing you experience. I think I may call the
housecall vet. I've never felt so indecisive in my life. It's amazing
how such a sweet, loving little soul can stir up such despair.
N
Doljan, Joan wrote:
Nina,
I am so, so, sorry about you losing Grace. I think you are
Nina,
I'm so sorry you're going through this right now, it's so hard. If you're worried about them finding a vein, you could request that they inject her parenterally, that's how my vet helped Ninja - no worried or stress about finding a vein and using an IV, just a shot.Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello Kat,
Thank you for your kindness. I did talk to an AC about Grace. She did
say that it would be okay to help her cross. This was, can it be, just
yesterday morning? When she asked Grace what her sign to me would be
when she was ready, Grace told her When she's sees the pain in my
Hello, Barb, thank you. What does parenterally mean exactly? Is that
subq, IM?
N
Barb Moermond wrote:
Nina,
I'm so sorry you're going through this right now, it's so hard. If
you're worried about them finding a vein, you could request that they
inject her parenterally, that's how my vet
I had to look up the exact meaning myself http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=parenteral
it's an injection into the abdomen, but not into any organ within the abdomen
Ninja winced a bit with the initial needle entry, but that was it. Unfortunately, she was so ill, intestinal lymphoma, that
Nina,
That is true just the shot would be so much better can you make an appointment for Friday, so at least you have some more good bye time.
CherieBarb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nina,
I'm so sorry you're going through this right now, it's so hard. If you're worried about them finding a
Thanks Cherie,
I just called my Internist's office and they will be able to squeeze me
in tomorrow at 9:30. I know you all know how this feels. The final
moment, the realization that there's nothing left to do, nothing left to
try. How can a heart break over and over again?
N
Cherie A
Because your heart is big enough and flexible enough to love over and over again.Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Cherie,I just called my Internist's office and they will be able to squeeze me in tomorrow at 9:30. I know you all know how this feels. The final moment, the realization that
Hi all,
I'm going through this same thing and am so grateful
for all the experience and calmness on this subject.
And Nina, I don't feel so crazy since reading how you
are feeling the same way.
My cat MacKenzie is not positive, but he is dying.
His breathing is mostly quieter now, but very
Thank you Janine for letting me know what's going on with you and
MacKenzie. The picture you paint makes me see your MacKenzie as if he's
in front of my eyes, and not just in my mind. Your sharing this with
us, somehow makes me feel a little less alone.
I'm so torn about this decision.
Nina,
A Grace and all our furrbabies heal the broken hearts, then when they leave us they tend to break all over again...Are they going to come to your house, so you do not have to move her?
Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Cherie,I just called my Internist's office and they will be able to
Janine,
I am sorry to hear about MacKenzie, it is so hard and hurts so much, be strong for him, he needs you now.
Cheriejanine paton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all, I'm going through this same thing and am so gratefulfor all the experience and calmness on this subject. And Nina, I don't feel so
Nina wrote:
Can anyone tell me how difficult it is to
put an animal to sleep in an emaciated condition?
Dear Nina,
You would want the vet to be VERY CAREFUL. One of my positive
kitties, my beloved little shy golden turkish angora kitty, Katyusha,
had a very painful death - I think -
Nina, my heart breaks for you. I have been through the same situation recently with my Bubba and I know watching them leave is harder than actually losing them. I felt so guilty when he died for having feelings of relief when it was over. Seeing our babies suffer from this terrible disease is
My Dear Friends,
You are faced with, quite possibly, the hardest decision in the world. My heart breaks for you. It's completely natural for any human being with a compassionate soul to question the course of action. It's also completely natural to second-guess and change our minds and hope for
Oh Nina, I'm so sad for you and Gracie. It's so painful for you to watch
her fade away.
I have never been able to let mine go without intervention. I just
couldn't stomach it, thinking they were suffering while I stood by
helplessly--but I would much prefer that I could, and that they could
cross
Nina..I am crying so hard - and almost cant read your writings on
email.. but just reading from the title and know how you are, I know
exactly what you are going through right now -
I am so sorry...I don't want Gracie to go --- but I do have to tell you
one thing what George told me via Jasmine
Bonnie,
This was one of my concerns. I'm so sorry you had this experience, but
because of it, you may be helping others, you're certainly helping me.
I know how hard it is to forgive ourselves when these things happen.
Your intentions were loving and I know that Katyusha knows this too.
This goes for you as well Kerry. You never told me the full
circumstances of what happened with Levi, but I know it was horrendous
for both of you. You're too kind and loving a person to dwell on what
happened. What can we do, but move on and learn from life's hard
lessons the best we can.
Nina, I am sorry. This is so awful for you and her to have to go through this. If you do euthanize at some point, maybe you can give her some oral valium first, the way you did earlier, so that she is more relaxed for the process?
While she does sound uncomfortable, she does not sound like she
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Nina, the valium--or tranx anyway--Michelle
recommends sounds a good idea. My vet gave Flavia and Snowball a sedative, to
relax the little souls. I didn't know it was an option until then. I wish I'd
known about it for Levi. hugs, kerry
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I am not sure it is about bravery. It does take bravery to be with someone as they die a natural death. But I think that the hardest thing I ever did in my life was to euthanize my horse Shire. If I had felt it would be ok, or fair, to him, it would have been easier for me, i think, to just
Hi, Kerry,
I am supposed to take Hannibal for an appointment this afternoon
I so dread to do this for a obvious reason..the last time I looked, he was on
the top of the self which makes it a bit difficult to get him.. so we will see
I am just worried that he may be anemic.. I learned
Hi
I am posting this for a friend who rescues in Florida - she sent me this
message
"I have a cat, Kitty Boy, who is VERY
skinny!! He hasn't been playful either, and I know there is definitely
something very wrong!! He's always hungry! His belly is big in
comparison to the rest of him!
Yeah.. if he is an older kitty, thyroid
might be it.. but I have one kitty, whose name is OB
and he has a similar problem with Kitty Boy,, (he is an older kitty,
too) all the blood work came back normal including thyroid.. but he
kept getting skinny and losing hair.. no one knew what was
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Michelle---I think you said it
all---whatever the cause, she needs to get him to a trusted vet for tests now.
Without delay.
And yes, I agree, give him as much
food as he wants until he problem is found and fixed. Kerry
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Nina
so sorry to hear of this sad time. Having Euthanased my dear Tidge and
Bramble I can say that they were different experiences. I personally wouldn't
sedate another who was weak before the shot as Tidge's veins collapsed due to
the sedative so they had to give her the shot through her
Yes please Hideyo - thanks
Just out of interest - did you get the full thyroid test done or the basic
test?
Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
I made that decision with my Butch.
It is very hard, but I firmly believe that when they have given up there is no need for anything to be dragged out. I almost wish people could have the option of euthanasia because I know some would take it.
Butch was having trouble breathing and had lost
I know I am posting this late.
Darling Nina, the decision to euthanize is a personal one, but I will
tell you my thoughts.
If Grace told you through the AC that she was okay with euthanasia, and if
you know that she is not going to get better, and she has asked to leave, then I
would
Hi - the cat I was asking about I have discovered is 2.5 years old.
Michelle, Minstrel, buddy Angel Bramble
Nina,
I can't help you decide, but my thoughts are with you. I don't
personally believe in euthanasia, but I came very close with TeeCee this
spring. It's tough...
With Care,
Steph
My vet has been able to do it with no problem at all. It takes a skilled
and loving, caring soul to do that. She may be upset that you are looking
at the situation as a death bed vigil instead of a time to remember,
together and in body, all the good times and love you have shared. She may
be
A heart that is full of love can break in infinite number of times. A hard
heart might break once.
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: Question about Euthanasia and my Grace
Thanks
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Nina, my heart goes out to you, I am so sorry for your pain. These
are such difficult, important, and soul-searching questions. I can
only answer of course from my own experience, but want to mention
that homeopathy also has ways of supporting the one who is about to
pass on, so you
There are Bach essences and other aids for the person too. Check with your
homeopath/health food store etc for recommendations for you and your
grieving process. They help. Honest. They do not make the hurt go away.
Don't think that. They do make it easier to deal with. If there is no pain
I personally think Euthanasia of pets is wrong. We shouldn't have the power
to take an innocent life. Only God has that power.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Question about Euthanasia and my Grace
Date: Thu, 22 Sep
I have to say, I'm with you on that - Euthanizing my horse Whatsie was the
hardest thing I ever did and gave me much of my present perspective on
euthanasia.
Gloria
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
I have repeatedly tried to get the practice of Dr. E
A Boswell added to Ky and have failed. I have filled out the forms and I
don't know of anything else to do. I am not complaining, just trying to
provide a well respected source to those in Ky and adjoining areas.
Can you assist me?Thanks.
Nina,
I'm so sorry. I can say that as animals lose weight it does make it
more difficult to find a vein. My vet can find a vein in a potato, but
it sounds like your favorite vet is not available. Make sure that
whoever you decide on sedates her first. Also, do NOT let them take
her away from
I may be wrong about the weight being the issue about finding a vein,
but if Grace is anemic, that too can cause a problem with it.
tonya
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Nina, I am so sorry. I do not think lack of fat makes veins smaller
or
harder to find, so though I may be wrong, I do not
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