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I really do not think that Lucy has FIP -- according to the lab work she
told me - but at the same time, FOI also works for felk sometimes, and I
hope that it will help Lucy --
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Muscle testing is often called kinesiology and, while it appears strange, can
be very accurate. Would the pharmacist be willing to test Phelix? If not,
see if you can find an alternative vet in the area.
If you have men who will
The eye with glaucoma is the bad eye. I can't see that the medicine helps
except for temporarily. If he has to stay on it then it would make sense to
remove the eye. I will find out about the ears he does ha a swelling behin
his ears. I am hoping is just infection.
Sally
On 1/18/07, [EMAIL
Hideyo - thank you for sending to her. Fingers crossed and many prayers for
both Michelle and Lucy.
Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for letting us know. I sure hope it
helps Lucy. I also hope it
helps Michelle to know that some is coming. I hate being at that point
where you don't
Sally, I am sorry to hear that Junior's eye is still
causing problems. Both of you are in my prayers.
Cindy Reasoner
--- Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am taking Junior to the Vet tomorrow. His right
eye still has glaucoma,
you can see it bulge and the cataract that is
forming. He
This sounds to me like they have a bad overpopulation problem and are trying to
reduce the number of animals killed because of unwanted breeding. I think it is
good to have to have a special license if you have an unalterd dog. I also
don't have a problem with them making people pay for the
The ordinance was in response to two pit bull killings and was supposed to
address dangerous dogs.
If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of compassion
Red Bank called to say that now I do not have a return appointment for
tomorrow, that the cytology reports won't be back until tomorrow, and that I
will
get a call tomorrow morning after the oncologist and internist look at the
reports, with a plan. Meanwhile, this morning Lucy is not
Wow Michelle - that is a hard one. My gut feeling is that there is no reason
not to start the interferon, for sure. I don't know anything about the kind of
reactions you get with epogen, but the times I have used the cat has seemed to
feel better. Will be interested in seeing what the
How soon did the cat feel better from epogen?
In a message dated 1/19/2007 11:07:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Wow Michelle - that is a hard one. My gut feeling is that there is no
reason not to start the interferon, for sure. I don't know anything about the
He seemed to perk up within 24 hours.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:How soon did the cat feel better from epogen?
In a message dated 1/19/2007 11:07:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL
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Wow Michelle - that is a hard one. My gut feeling is that there is no reason
Hi
Junior went to the vet this morning. Hie was given a shot of depomedrol. The
vet said it would either make things better or worse. The next option is
removing the eye.
The thing with his ears is inflammation. No infection there thank goodness.
I asked about the interferon, but no luck
Hi Sally,
I did have a kitten last summer that had the bottom half
of one ear turn bright red, but there was no thickening
of it. My vet diagnosed it as similar to a swimmer's ear
infection, and gave me an ointment to treat it (Panalog, if
I remember right?) It helped only very slightly, but she
I have used epogen on 5 cats so far, but I did not see any immediate
response - for anemia case, it takes up to one to three weeks to take an
effect - and the main think you need to watch is to keep an eye on BP as
it will increase BP and cat can become blind due to high BP, and could
cause
Michelle helped me so much when I was going through problem with the
city and that's the lease I could to pay her back --:-)
Even if she does not have FIP, as FOI does work for Felk kitties as well
- I am hoping that she will feel better from it.
_
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Hideyo - you are way more knowledgeable about epogen than I am -- I thought my
Valley perked up within a day of having it; I guess that isn't physiologically
possible -- do you think I just imagined it?
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Dearest Michelle,
As I wrote before, I just went through this same push/pull anxiety with
Spencer. It's enough to give you a nervous breakdown. I'm feeling your
pain right through the computer. I know Lucy is in bad shape, but it
does sound like she's at least comfortable for the most part.
I don't think you imagined it at all - you know your baby, Valley more
than anything else probably, and I am sure that she was feeling better -
but not sure if it was the epogen that caused - and it's possible - if
your kitty's BP is very low, and epogen will very quickly increase BP
and it might
Thanks. I gave her the feline interferon about an hour ago. She seemed
feverish, so a while later I gave her some fluids. She then ate a small handful
of
dry EVO on her own. She is just laying there now. She is not grooming. She is
definitely worse day by day. That said, she looked
Acemmanan might be back ordered - I order for my dog, JoJo a month ago
and it's not available until February-if anyone has in their hand,
please let Michelle know -- - do you think he will prescribe epogen?
Please keep an eye on her gum as if her PCV goes now, you might want to
really pay
Blood pressure increasing from very low sure may have been behind feeling
better. I need to learn more about the side effects before I consider using
it again. Our rescue group's vet tech recommended it for a couple of cats in
the past but Valley was the first of my own I used it on.
No problem - were you using epogen on Valley to treat anemia due to non
CRF?
_
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 11:32 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Lucy--what to do?
Blood pressure
At 10:17 AM 1/19/2007, you wrote:
There is no way I could improve on what Nina has said to you. It was
beautifully written and expresses what each of us feel in our hearts
all too often, I do look back and question my own decisions to at
times, make those extraordinary efforts to keep my
Thanks, Hideyo. Yes, if anyone has any acemannan-- can I please buy some
from you?? If we use it, I don't think we can wait until February. I kind of
doubt Lucy will last that long without something to turn her around.
her gums are mostly gray, with only a few pink spots, so it is hard to
Michelle,
This is a tough one for sure..What tests are they waiting results for?
Bandy received epogen for 6 wks, and his anemia was non-regenerative...but
you know what it worked..We did this before we ever saw the internal med
specialist..his pcv went up rather fast considering things,
I don't know if she is comfortable. When she is feverish, she definitely
isn't. At other times it is hard to tell if she is just weak or also nauseous
or
painful somewhere. The oncologist said he does not think she has any pain.
Maybe it is just fatigue from the anemia and the fevers. She
At 11:36 AM 1/19/2007, you wrote:
Perhaps I have missed something. Have they transfused her, Severe
anemia makes the very weak and not eat. When my dog had autoimmune
mediated anemia her refusal to eat was the first indication,
Epogen is possible depending upon the type of anemia, but to me
Hi Michelle,
I have to agree that Nina said it all...and she is right...Your gut will tell
you...Spend time with her and try not to panic...I will always regret what I
did with Bandy because I did panic..
So take a deep breath and it will come to you..
Kerry
Her HCT was 18 when last tested night before last. They generally only
transfuse cats if it gets down to 13 or below. I think part of the reason is
the
potential reaction to the transfusion (they can have an allergic reaction)
and part of the reason is a general shortage of cat blood so
What is it that you think you did in panic and regret? Knowing this may help
me with the decisions I am making.
In a message dated 1/19/2007 2:51:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Hi Michelle,
I have to agree that Nina said it all...and she is right...Your gut will
Can you have the run the blood type with the existing sample - so that
you know what it is - I did that with Ayumi just in case she needed
transfusions.
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they don't have a sample anymore. I asked them to run the reticulites from
any blood they have, this morning, and they said they don't have any.
In a message dated 1/19/2007 3:19:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Can you have the run the blood type with the
She just ate a bunch of little pieces of turkey deli slice, then ate a few
more pieces of dry EVO. Her nose was stuffy and now is runny (am using vicks
vaporizer and neosenephrine) so that may have made the difference. I think
that she does have a URI on top of whatever else she has, and I
Michelle - don't let BP issue stop using epogen though in the future -
you just need to watch it - if BP goes over 170 or something, you can
give norvasc to control BP so that she won't become blind - you can do
certain things to prevent it -
If you haven't please read this link - it's mainly
Michelle, Do you think that immuno-regulin might help
her fevers? I don't know anything about what sweet
Lucy is going through but I know with my Smokey when
he was running a fever he wouldn't eat. I do know
that I was having a terrible time with him getting
fevers and the immuno-regulin seemed
She's on I-R. I was giving it to her sub-q for her URI, which I thought was
helping, but then she spiked a fever anyway. So I brought her in to the
local vet on Wed and got her .25 ml IV. Her fever spiked highest later that
night. If I kept her on it she would not be due for another shot
Michelle,
Isn't one of the side effects of the IR fever spikes? Am I thinking of
something else? Could her fluctuating fever be a reaction to the IR??
Nina
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She's on I-R. I was giving it to her sub-q for her URI, which I
thought was helping, but then she spiked a
No. Those fever spikes, if they happen, happen immediately after getting it,
last about a half hour, and then go away and don't come back. She has
gotten I-R in the past for URI's without getting any fever at all from it. And
now
she gets fevers on and off all day whether or not it is a
Cindy, what dose IV I-R did you give smoky? The vet in Ohio gives a whole ml
at a time, which is what I gave to Patches when she had pneumonia and to
Ginger. It helped them a lot, but Ginger had a very high fever spike right
afterwards. The company recommends .25 ml, which is what I gave
Hi,
I don't know if anyone can help these two feluk babies. The only thing I
could possibly do is get them out of the shelter, but I can not house them
due to the fact Hillman Waller is very sick right now and the newest one is
still so small and sick...no other rooms to house these two.
Michelle, which oncologist are you dealing with over at Redbank? Hope it's
not the one I'm using as he has been very patient with me.
Lucy continues to be in my thoughts and prayers,
Renee
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:25:49 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do?--
Michelle, I'll be offline till Sunday and just want you to know that
though I can't offer any advice I'll be continuing to think of and pray
for Lucy. Love and comfort go a huge way in helping fight off illness,
and, God knows, Lucy couldn't be more loved or comforted than she is by
you. We all
(This email from Michelle didn't reach me directly.) Just want to say
shame on this oncologist. He should be understanding of your fears and
concerns and respect the fact you have worked hard to be so
knowledgeable about your beloved pets. You wouldn't even be talking to
him if you didn't love
Craig Clifford.
In a message dated 1/19/2007 5:30:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Michelle, which oncologist are you dealing with over at Redbank? Hope it's
not the one I'm using as he has been very patient with me.
Lucy continues to be in my thoughts and
Hi Michelle,
Do you have any a/d? Appetite stimulants?
I went into panic mode when I took him to the hospital for IV fluids and they
had to keep him. We had been doing sub-q's and I should have continued them as
he wasn't that bad off until some things went wrong while he was there..Since
I do have a/d and appetite stims, but she can't handle the appetite stims
(periactin makes her a zomby and does not make her eat). Good news though--
Gray
bought her some dry i/d and she got all excited and has eaten a bunch of it
several times. At this point I think she has had at least
Michelle, Dr. Clifford is my Emily's oncologist. I'm sorry that you are
having a bad experience with him. Can you call the Internist rather than Dr.
Clifford with your questions? Hopefully Lucy's fever will stop spiking and
they will have some concrete answers for you tomorrow
Well, there are two possibilities as to why he is more patient with you: 1)
you are less annoying than I am (extremely possible), or 2) Emily actually has
cancer and he doesn't think Lucy does (though I am wondering if the pred she
has been on is masking it, as no other diagnosis fully
At 01:52 PM 1/19/2007, you wrote
The recommended doses I see is 1/2 to 1 cc IV is the very best route
I used 1/2 cc the first time and them I went to 2/4 cc,,,Max
weight 11 lbs...
Kelly
Cindy, what dose IV I-R did you give smoky? The vet in Ohio gives a
whole ml at a time, which
That is what is listed in the medications books, but the company material
says .25 cc. Maybe I should try a higher dose?
In a message dated 1/19/2007 7:40:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The recommended doses I see is 1/2 to 1 cc IV is the very best route
I
actually, I don't have the book I saw that in, and all I can show the vet is
the company info which says .25 so he did not want to do more. Can you send
me info or a link or a citation to where it says 1/2 to 1?
In a message dated 1/19/2007 7:40:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL
I'm glad she is eating some, Michelle. Still remembering you guys in my
prayers.
elizabeth
On 1/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do have a/d and appetite stims, but she can't handle the appetite stims
(periactin makes her a zomby and does not make her eat). Good news
So I have this new theory that maybe Lucy's symptoms result from IBD and a
URI. I read in Merck vet manual (I think-- it is written for vets so
technical and hard to understand) that IBD can cause anemia and fluid
distension in
the stomach. Anemia can cause heart murmer and enlargement
Yeah, I guess Dr. Clifford is a bit frustrated about not being able to give
you an answer right away. And the calls may be a bit more than he is used
to, especially considering how hectic it gets there, but it's certainly
understandable why you would need to make those phone calls.
As
Oh, I have read most of the posts about Emily. I forgot-- sorry. I am glad
she is doing well.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/19/2007 9:00:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As for Emily, she has mammary gland cancer. She had two surgeries and she
is getting
I am hoping Junior's eye starts to improve after his shot today. His ear is
now curling back where it is deflating from the swelling. He looks very
funny. Hopefully by tomorrow the ears will be back to normal. He seems to
feel a bit better. He ate well and slept a good part of the day. We shall
I'm so glad Junior is feeling a wee bit better - hoping so much this helps
him.
elizabeth
On 1/19/07, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am hoping Junior's eye starts to improve after his shot today. His ear
is now curling back where it is deflating from the swelling. He looks very
I was just wondering this too since it seems to happen after?? If I
remember I'll ask my vet tomorrow when she calls with Fred's blood work,
I don't know if she has used it much so she may not know.
Isn't one of the side effects of the IR fever spikes? Am I thinking
of something else?
At 07:13 PM 1/19/2007, you wrote:
IR does cause a short term increase in temp,,,
I was just wondering this too since it seems to happen
after?? If I remember I'll ask my vet tomorrow when she calls with
Fred's blood work, I don't know if she has used it much so she may not know.
Isn't
At 04:41 PM 1/19/2007, you wrote:
Go here..scroll a bit
http://www.felineleukemia.org/treatmnt.html#ireg
actually, I don't have the book I saw that in, and all I can show
the vet is the company info which says .25 so he did not want to do
more. Can you send me info or a link or a citation
This is know is true, my vet mentioned it today because Fred had a
heart murmur today something he's never had before and he is and has
been slightly anemic for a while now (28% last blood work three weeks
ago). Remember too Bailey was anemic, no fluid in the belly but his
anemia was
Excuse my typo..I did not go from 1/2 cc to 2/4 cc,,,yeah I know it
is the same
It should have said 1/2 to 3/4 or 0.5 to 0.75 cc
sorry
Kelly
How would you have treated the pancreatitis had you known?
In a message dated 1/19/2007 11:13:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Remember too Bailey was anemic, no fluid in the belly but his anemia was
symptomatic of his undiagnosed pancreatitis which ended up being
A friend of mine whose kitty would have pancreatitis attacks
frequently but not so much now that they have figured out what works for
her, gives her cat higher doses of prednisolone when she has an attack,
this cat has been on prednisolone for many years because of it (over 7
years I
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