Re: OT: Houston we have a problem (HELP!)
Susan, I would ask the vet about some form of 'kitty prozac'. I'm keeping a cat for a woman who lost her job, and I've had to put him on clonicalm. tonya Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, Please read below and let me know if you have any suggestions for this kitty. We have already recommended a veterinary exam, (Dr. Smith, feline expert extraordinaire) in case it's a medical problem. I do not know this kitty, but she was rescued from our local pound after she was confiscated from a rescue group, along w/ 53 other cats. Long story, but I will say that it was all politics and the rescue group was not @ fault. Anyway, she has been in her new home for about 2 months and things seemed to be going fine, until recently. Any suggestions would be most helpful. Thanks! I'm having trouble getting into my address book so I'm attaching this to a previous note from you. Abby is not a happy little girl and I don't know what to do about her. I think she's schizophrenic. In the morning she's a reasonable cat but by night she's a wild thing. She's still making unprovoked attacks on the old cats who are now terrified of her. It's to the point that they won't use their litter boxes because she's lying in wait when they come out. She takes their bowls away from them--doesn't eat the food but won't let them eat. I've resorted to putting her in the guest room alone at night so she doesn't sneak up on Diana ( who sleeps on my pillow) and launch a battle at three in the morning. And more, Abby has attacked me a couple of times in the last two days with claws and teeth. I was barefoot at the time and she shredded the sole of my foot. She can't be petted without fighting back, will not permit picking up, fights brushing, and is generally hostile. No, I won't give her up...she might not survive another transfer. But I've got to find a way to calm her down before she or one of the other girls gets hurt. I've had Siamese all my life and these are not Siamese characteristics. She comes and tells me she's hungry several times a day so I've resorted to giving her small meals at intervals during the day. Since we haven't had storms in several days, she hasn't had the frantic reactions those brought, but she's really a mystery to me. She seems to have no concept of human interaction and resents any attempt at stroking or petting. Any ideas? Thanks, Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
Re: Oh my Goodness!
Why thank you Wendy! This morning, Miss Ursula decided to come from behind the couch and have her breakfast. Percy hasn't taken his face outta his bowl since I set it down. Pappy (papillon) is still riding rough shot, hissing at the poor dear child.. Lillian was miffed because Percy slept in HER bed last night. Lola has accepted him, even tho she thinks that he's a big ga-loot! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:21 PM Subject: Re: Oh my Goodness! Susan, Congratulations on your new addition to the fur family! I like the name Percy. My sister had a Percy bear growing up, so it makes me think of snuggling. I hope all your kitties settle in soon with their new housemate! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 7:56:48 AM Subject: Oh my Goodness! Well, this morning my friend Julia brought over my new fiv+ / felv+ kitty. She was calling him Oreo since he is a tuxie, but that has to go. She was just out of names, due to so many rescues this year. I feel her pain. :( Anyway, what do folks think about Percy? For some reason when he came outta the carrier the name Percy came to mind. Of course, as we all know, he will have several names before it's all over :) So far, no bloodshed in the felv+ suite. My cats were appalled @ how he jumped outta the carrier and went straight for their breakfast, which was chicken egg whipped souffle' w/ cheese from Elegant Medleys.Sprinkled w/ Lysine Missing Link PF.. (hey, I would rather them eat something better, but the Elegant Medleys got started when Serenity was still w/ me. That's all she would eat along w/ baby food when she was dying. And it works) Four bowls out, he ate 2, now I will have to put out 5 maybe 6 in the mornings. He has the big head of a fiv+ tom cat. But he is sweet as can be. Miss Princess Naughty Lola peered @ him like he was an oversized insect, she did not want him to get to close to her feathery baby fine cream chocolate furrage.. Miss Lillian, who actually came from the same hoarder as him, sniffed him but he was not allowed to sniff her, she growled. Papillon is mad, hiding in the bathroom, but I think he will be ok, Percy is so passive. Miss Ursula, my botiful doll faced Sealpoint, is hiding behind the couch, that is her comfort zone when she feels like she's being invaded. Percy is just so happy to be outta a cage, he was in a cage by himself in Julia's dry storage building.. He is so people oriented, it must have been hard on him. This was a good move, and thanks Diane for being supportive of me in making this decision yesterday. Now you are up to date, will keep you posted on the latest happenings @ Chez Mew today.. :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent -- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
Re: Joy Please add to the CLS :(
Sherry, I don't know how you do it...but it takes a hell of a person to be around all the ones that are in your shelter. It seems you have had your share of losses lately. Thank god for good people such as yourself to give love and care to those in need. I'm so sorry to hear about Spencer and Joy. They are now free and chasing butterflies at the bridge. You are an angel yourself. There will a place for you in heaven as well. Take care! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
RE: OT: Houston we have a problem (HELP!)
Wow, I'm having a similar problem with a stray I took in. She was okay for 2 weeks with my crew of 20 cats until I tried trapping some kittens outside (they may have been her's). I had the crate for the kittens (about 6) set up in my spare room, trapped 2 kittens -- got one in the crate then got the 2nd trap into the hallway when the tortie stray jumped on top of the trap and started howling and attacked me! Do you believe I hid in the bathroom, I know silly me! My husband shooed her inside our bedroom and we moved the crate into the garage. Next morning, she attacked my large male cat Sylvester -- my husband said she went after him unrelentlessly and he had to hit her with a bottle to get her off and she bit him. After that, I put her back outside but she wanted back in and silly me couldn't stand it (she also had a cold and I was giving her meds and set up a spay appt). She is now in her cat free (Hah!) downstairs living room. She was in heat several times and was fixed this past Saturday and is on Clavamox (she had lot of blood in her urine but seems to be getting better). She rubs on me in the morning and seems to be sweet but then starts twitching her tail at the same time and tries to get my hand, swats at me, bites -- she didn't break skin until today but it isn't too bad. One time Sylvester ran into the room w/o knowing she was there and boy did she try to get him -- got him out safely before she did anything. Then another time, my sweet 12 yr old kitty Sagusma ran in and there was a standoff but I picked her up and got her out. I am almost afraid of her and am thinking maybe I should have just TNR'd her. I just hate leaving friendly cats out there (tho she is more of a Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde). It is just weird as she sometimes likes to lay on top of me and have me scratch her chin. Then she gets skitzo. Anita Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 02:33:51 -0700From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: OT: Houston we have a problem (HELP!)To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Susan, I would ask the vet about some form of 'kitty prozac'. I'm keeping a cat for a woman who lost her job, and I've had to put him on clonicalm. tonyaSusan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, Please read below and let me know if you have any suggestions for this kitty. We have already recommended a veterinary exam, (Dr. Smith, feline expert extraordinaire) in case it's a medical problem. I do not know this kitty, but she was rescued from our local pound after she was confiscated from a rescue group, along w/ 53 other cats. Long story, but I will say that it was all politics and the rescue group was not @ fault. Anyway, she has been in her new home for about 2 months and things seemed to be going fine, until recently. Any suggestions would be most helpful. Thanks! I'm having trouble getting into my address book so I'm attaching this to a previous note from you. Abby is not a happy little girl and I don't know what to do about her. I think she's schizophrenic. In the morning she's a reasonable cat but by night she's a wild thing. She's still making unprovoked attacks on the old cats who are now terrified of her. It's to the point that they won't use their litter boxes because she's lying in wait when they come out. She takes their bowls away from them--doesn't eat the food but won't let them eat. I've resorted to putting her in the guest room alone at night so she doesn't sneak up on Diana ( who sleeps on my pillow) and launch a battle at three in the morning. And more, Abby has attacked me a couple of times in the last two days with claws and teeth. I was barefoot at the time and she shredded the sole of my foot. She can't be petted without fighting back, will not permit picking up, fights brushing, and is generally hostile. No, I won't give her up...she might not survive another transfer. But I've got to find a way to calm her down before she or one of the other girls gets hurt. I've had Siamese all my life and these are not Siamese characteristics. She comes and tells me she's hungry several times a day so I've resorted to giving her small meals at intervals during the day. Since we haven't had storms in several days, she hasn't had the frantic reactions those brought, but she's really a mystery to me. She seems to have no concept of human interaction and resents any attempt at stroking or petting. Any ideas? Thanks, Susan J. DuBose ^..^www.PetGirlsPetsitting.comwww.Tx.SiameseRescue.orgwww.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent _ Recharge--play some free games. Win
Re: Joy Please add to the CLS :(
Oh, well said, Terrie, working in a shelter is very hard, you just want to take them all home, especially the special needs, and give them somewhere to live out their life in the comfort care that they so deserve. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:22 AM Subject: Re: Joy Please add to the CLS :( Sherry, I don't know how you do it...but it takes a hell of a person to be around all the ones that are in your shelter. It seems you have had your share of losses lately. Thank god for good people such as yourself to give love and care to those in need. I'm so sorry to hear about Spencer and Joy. They are now free and chasing butterflies at the bridge. You are an angel yourself. There will a place for you in heaven as well. Take care! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ -- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.
Re: Joy Please add to the CLS :(
Sherry, Thank you for all you do for these sweet little guys and thank you for letting the world take note of them at their passing. Each and every one of them are incredibly special. Any one of them could have been one of our beloved cats. They deserve to be mourned by all of us who love cats. I'm sure Spencer and Joy are together in a beautiful place free of all their sadness and pain, with all the other wonderful little souls that have been lost by each of us at one time or another. Thank you again for all you give to these sweet little guys. Sending our love, Glenda and family --- Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here we go again,sweet beautiful Joy a tortie that loved giving you kisses on your face passed away today while under to be checked out,she was going down hill and had fiv and felv.She was the first kitty that I noticed in the window when I drove up to check it out before starting my volunteering.I will miss that sweet tortie girl. Sherry - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433
Re: Please talk to me
Angela, What wonderful news! It made my day! Please stick around and keep learning from these guys. There is usually something helpful every day or two that makes us better cat parents...Although you have 3-months before a retesting and everything will probably be just dandy, there is nothing wrong with keeping their immune systems boosted during the waiting period. Just so you know you are completely on top of things from minute one. Thank you for that bright spot yesterday! Take care, Glenda --- Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all who have hellped me thru this day... Thank you for your support and encouraging words. We just got back from the Vet's office, with Ripley and Sherman, the SNAP test came back NEG!! We are going to retest in 3 months. The Vet said the only difference in the 2 tests (SNAP verses IFA) is the accuracy is a little higher with the IFA. Both tests are in the 90 percent range. God bless all! Ang Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI Angela This sounds exactly like what happened to my Pumpkin. What may be different is that Pumpkins was hiding the fact he was not eating. Although I did figure it out. His gums were exactly as you described he spent two nights at the vet hospital with fluids and IV Baytril. He crashed the second night. I imagine much like your baby did. His spirit was gone when I arrived to visit him that morning. They had cleaned him up and he was cold. I felt so bad that I did not see his symptoms sooner. I had him euthanized. Cats are good at hiding there symptoms. I had another cat who was sick at the same time and being treated for anemia by a different vet. This was due to the fact he had been hit by a car several months earlier and that was the only available vet who could see him in a hurry. Now I was worried Junior's condition was more serious. I took him back in that week and though he looked fine he had a fever of 106.5. The kept him hydrated him and called me to say they wanted to to a FELV test. He has tested neg that same year. It came back positive. I had 11 cats at that time. Two more tested positive. One also had been sickly had FIV as well. He had been adopted from a shelter. I was in panic mode last fall. The group kept me going. I lost Tiny from unrelated cause he died very suddenly last Christmas. Lionel, my felv/fiv cat was also PTS he was not well. Good news Junior is stable and he had a very rough go but is fine now other than his pos status. He gets immune booster like the group says. Sally On 8/21/07, Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, Boy was not good, at all, last night. He went down hill very fast. He was fine last Thursday, then Friday we moved, I thought he just was - Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/
Re: New Diagnosis
Michael, Good job! You are what this website is all about! The very best to you and your cats! Glenda --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks guys. I stopped on my way home from work and picked up some Lysine and Echinacea, I'm going to start putting it in their food. I also got some high protein purina naturals food to replace their cat chow indoor formula, and I'll step up to proplan or iams or something if I need to. I also plan on sanitizing all the feeding bowls and drinkwell fountain daily. After speaking with the former fosters and the state coordinator for VA SRC, I think this is the best plan for now. I'll keep you all updated once I get a real diagnosis from the tests they sent off today. Michael ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/
RE: Spencer Please add to the CLS :(
Sherry, I'm so sorry about Spencer and Joy. Blessings to them at the Bridge, and to you and all the others there. Diane R. Diane Rosenfeldt Legal Secretary Quarles Brady LLP 411 East Wisconsin Avenue Suite 2040 Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53202-4497 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 4:51 PM To: Felvtalk Subject: Spencer Please add to the CLS :( I just got home from camping and recieved an e-mail that we lost sweet Spencer,a young tabby boy.We sure are having our share of losses this summer.Thanks all Sherry Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48518/*http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/;_yl c=X3oDMTE3NWsyMDd2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDY2FyLWZpbmRlcg -- This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: Joy Please add to the CLS :(
Dear Sherrie I am so sorry that you have lost Joy and Spencer. Thank you for loving and caring for them. Jane
RE: Success with Rescue Cat
Caroline, I'm so happy for you! Yes, I'm sure another will turn up. That's what always happens right? I totally forgot about the reverse look-up feature. Good work! Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: Success with Rescue Cat Okay, since there's been lots of debate and dare I say, controversy, over the Malnourished Rescue Cat my mom and I took in and have been caring for, I wanted everyone to know that she is GOING HOME and we have successfully reunited her with her family. Long story short, we pretty much took EVERYONE'S advice and tried a variety of tactics (as I previously mentioned-- signs posted, I posted on websites, etc.). As I had mentioned, from the Rabies tag, all we were able to obtain is the telephone number and street name (not number) of the owner and the name of the cat- Nosey. My mom and I pretty much sat on it for a while since by then, we'd already taken her to the Vet and started her on Clavamox and she needed so much rehabilitation anyway. We tried to decide what to do and we just hated the idea of totally cold call to this number...not knowing ANYTHING about the person and whether they were a good owner. We are almost finished with the Clavamox and have finished one tube of Terramycin and Nosey is still exhibiting Upper Respiratory Infection symptoms, thus my mom said we have to either: 1) take her back to the vet this week, as needs more care, or 2) call the owners and make sure they take her to the vet. Since I had the owner phone number, I FINALLY remembered that the Whitepages.com has this handy tab where you can do a reverse look-up- using the phone number...it will give you a name and address. Bingo! I got the street address we'd been wanting, which also provided me with the NAMES of the two people living there So, then I of course googled their names...and low and behold, one of them is a Partner at a law firm here and of course, my mouth dropped open (I am a lawyer too- and although this is a big city, it's a SMALL legal community), thus I knew I had to contact her at that point. I also knew she could definitely afford the vet bill Nosey incurred (they live on very rich street- I know that sounds weird, but the property value of the houses on that street is ridiculous). Anyway, I feel like the ultimate pet detective, seriously. Sometimes I think all I need in life is google and the white or yellowpages.com!!! My mom and I discussed it and I decided to send her an email at her firm's email address from my work email, so she would know where I work and that I am an attorney too. I took the initial vague route first (as was discussed on this list serve)...to feel her out, etc. She replied and said it's their cat and they looked for her for weeks and weeks, but didn't check online sites (which she apologized for) and asked when they could come get her. After another consult with my mom, my mom wanted me to send her another email where I socked it to her with the malnutrition, that she would have died if we hadn't taken her in, she went to the vet and this and that was done and the bill is this amount, we've been feeding her this that, she needs to go back to the vet because the URI is still lingering, I advise she go back and get this treatment (a full blood panel to check liver/kidney function, fecal for tapeworms, etc.). AND then I asked if she was outdoor/indoor cat and said if so, I recommend she NOT be an outdoor cat because she does not fair well outside, she has this URI that won't go away, and she's deathly afraid of storms and if she is out when one comes, she will run and hide. WHEW! All that. I also apologized for hitting her with all this at once and at work and admitted that I wanted to feel her out initially before I admitted that we had the cat in our house and have done intensive care/rehabbing. She responded really well!!! She gave me info about Nosey's background- they've had Nosey since birth and she lives with her Mother and Brother cats. They are mostly outside cats because they live on a large piece of property with a covered porch. She said the cats seldom go beyond the immediate neighbors (who love them), but the mother cat became an indoor cat a few years ago when she developed a URI!!! So, hopefully, now that poor Nosey has one that she can't seem to shake, they will make her an indoor cat now (which I did press upon her). She said they will compensate us for the care we did, thanked us, and said they will continue with further vet care for Nosey. We are going to try to connect tonight to do the hand-off. My mom and I both really happy that we've had a great result, but I have to admit that it took some detecting on my part, as we weren't going to turn this cat over to the great unknown! I will never know how Nosey got one mile
RE: Success with Rescue Cat
Woo-hoo, Caroline! I'm so glad Nosey's owners have been located and checked out as good people. They will all be so happy! Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: Success with Rescue Cat Okay, since there's been lots of debate and dare I say, controversy, over the Malnourished Rescue Cat my mom and I took in and have been caring for, I wanted everyone to know that she is GOING HOME and we have successfully reunited her with her family. Long story short, we pretty much took EVERYONE'S advice and tried a variety of tactics (as I previously mentioned-- signs posted, I posted on websites, etc.). As I had mentioned, from the Rabies tag, all we were able to obtain is the telephone number and street name (not number) of the owner and the name of the cat- Nosey. My mom and I pretty much sat on it for a while since by then, we'd already taken her to the Vet and started her on Clavamox and she needed so much rehabilitation anyway. We tried to decide what to do and we just hated the idea of totally cold call to this number...not knowing ANYTHING about the person and whether they were a good owner. We are almost finished with the Clavamox and have finished one tube of Terramycin and Nosey is still exhibiting Upper Respiratory Infection symptoms, thus my mom said we have to either: 1) take her back to the vet this week, as needs more care, or 2) call the owners and make sure they take her to the vet. Since I had the owner phone number, I FINALLY remembered that the Whitepages.com has this handy tab where you can do a reverse look-up- using the phone number...it will give you a name and address. Bingo! I got the street address we'd been wanting, which also provided me with the NAMES of the two people living there So, then I of course googled their names...and low and behold, one of them is a Partner at a law firm here and of course, my mouth dropped open (I am a lawyer too- and although this is a big city, it's a SMALL legal community), thus I knew I had to contact her at that point. I also knew she could definitely afford the vet bill Nosey incurred (they live on very rich street- I know that sounds weird, but the property value of the houses on that street is ridiculous). Anyway, I feel like the ultimate pet detective, seriously. Sometimes I think all I need in life is google and the white or yellowpages.com!!! My mom and I discussed it and I decided to send her an email at her firm's email address from my work email, so she would know where I work and that I am an attorney too. I took the initial vague route first (as was discussed on this list serve)...to feel her out, etc. She replied and said it's their cat and they looked for her for weeks and weeks, but didn't check online sites (which she apologized for) and asked when they could come get her. After another consult with my mom, my mom wanted me to send her another email where I socked it to her with the malnutrition, that she would have died if we hadn't taken her in, she went to the vet and this and that was done and the bill is this amount, we've been feeding her this that, she needs to go back to the vet because the URI is still lingering, I advise she go back and get this treatment (a full blood panel to check liver/kidney function, fecal for tapeworms, etc.). AND then I asked if she was outdoor/indoor cat and said if so, I recommend she NOT be an outdoor cat because she does not fair well outside, she has this URI that won't go away, and she's deathly afraid of storms and if she is out when one comes, she will run and hide. WHEW! All that. I also apologized for hitting her with all this at once and at work and admitted that I wanted to feel her out initially before I admitted that we had the cat in our house and have done intensive care/rehabbing. She responded really well!!! She gave me info about Nosey's background- they've had Nosey since birth and she lives with her Mother and Brother cats. They are mostly outside cats because they live on a large piece of property with a covered porch. She said the cats seldom go beyond the immediate neighbors (who love them), but the mother cat became an indoor cat a few years ago when she developed a URI!!! So, hopefully, now that poor Nosey has one that she can't seem to shake, they will make her an indoor cat now (which I did press upon her). She said they will compensate us for the care we did, thanked us, and said they will continue with further vet care for Nosey. We are going to try to connect tonight to do the hand-off. My mom and I both really happy that we've had a great result, but I have to admit that it took some detecting on my part, as we weren't going to turn this cat over to the great unknown! I will never know how Nosey got one mile away from her home, and in
RE: Success with Rescue Cat
Susan, I noticed that about England on a British cat chat site that I was once a member of. But they all had backyards that were very small with fences and very interesting tops to the fences that kept the cats from crawling over. I hope someday to have a nice cat enclosure, but I could never have a fenced in yard. Our yard is much too big-plus we like our neighbors and don't want to fence them out! :-) But, I do sometimes feel cruel not letting the kitties out. I know they'd love to run around and roll around in the grass. This will remind me to keep saving for an enclosure! Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Success with Rescue Cat A, Caroline, you're GREAT! Good work,good work! They sound like good pet owners, and I bet they will keep her inside now. You HAVE to give people the benefit of the doubt. Heck, in England folks think it's cruel to make a cat stay inside 24/7. That's why I spent a small fortune this spring on a cat enclosure. Thanks for sharing! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:49 PM Subject: OT: Success with Rescue Cat Okay, since there's been lots of debate and dare I say, controversy, over the Malnourished Rescue Cat my mom and I took in and have been caring for, I wanted everyone to know that she is GOING HOME and we have successfully reunited her with her family. Long story short, we pretty much took EVERYONE'S advice and tried a variety of tactics (as I previously mentioned-- signs posted, I posted on websites, etc.). As I had mentioned, from the Rabies tag, all we were able to obtain is the telephone number and street name (not number) of the owner and the name of the cat- Nosey. My mom and I pretty much sat on it for a while since by then, we'd already taken her to the Vet and started her on Clavamox and she needed so much rehabilitation anyway. We tried to decide what to do and we just hated the idea of totally cold call to this number...not knowing ANYTHING about the person and whether they were a good owner. We are almost finished with the Clavamox and have finished one tube of Terramycin and Nosey is still exhibiting Upper Respiratory Infection symptoms, thus my mom said we have to either: 1) take her back to the vet this week, as needs more care, or 2) call the owners and make sure they take her to the vet. Since I had the owner phone number, I FINALLY remembered that the Whitepages.com has this handy tab where you can do a reverse look-up- using the phone number...it will give you a name and address. Bingo! I got the street address we'd been wanting, which also provided me with the NAMES of the two people living there So, then I of course googled their names...and low and behold, one of them is a Partner at a law firm here and of course, my mouth dropped open (I am a lawyer too- and although this is a big city, it's a SMALL legal community), thus I knew I had to contact her at that point. I also knew she could definitely afford the vet bill Nosey incurred (they live on very rich street- I know that sounds weird, but the property value of the houses on that street is ridiculous). Anyway, I feel like the ultimate pet detective, seriously. Sometimes I think all I need in life is google and the white or yellowpages.com!!! My mom and I discussed it and I decided to send her an email at her firm's email address from my work email, so she would know where I work and that I am an attorney too. I took the initial vague route first (as was discussed on this list serve)...to feel her out, etc. She replied and said it's their cat and they looked for her for weeks and weeks, but didn't check online sites (which she apologized for) and asked when they could come get her. After another consult with my mom, my mom wanted me to send her another email where I socked it to her with the malnutrition, that she would have died if we hadn't taken her in, she went to the vet and this and that was done and the bill is this amount, we've been feeding her this that, she needs to go back to the vet because the URI is still lingering, I advise she go back and get this treatment (a full blood panel to check liver/kidney function, fecal for tapeworms, etc.). AND then I asked if she was outdoor/indoor cat
Re: New to group; Questions
Hi Melody! First, I want to say thanks so much for wanting to help a felv+cat, people who decide to bring one knowingly into their lives seem to be few far between. I have 5 now, and I also have many felv- cats, many of those are chronically ill w/other ailments or geriatric. Meaning, they already have compromised immune systems and I have to be very careful not to expose them to felv. So, I recommend 2 things, not allowing them to playunder the door w/each other (good to get a flap that can prevent this) and always wash your hands after handling your felv+ cat. It is a very delicate virus, so I do not believe you need to change your clothes after you spend time w/your felv+ cat. I don't change my clothes, but if I did I would have to do it several times per day. There are others on this list who might advise you to change your clothes, I don't know. Ask your vet for his /her opinion, also. This brings up another question, are you comfortable w/your vet's knowledge of felv..? Discoveries are being made quite frequently about this disease, so it is good to have a vet that is well informed and who keeps up w/all the new medical developments. I also recommend the standard immune boosters, L-Lysine, for sure, and I also use a product called Missing Link,but I get the Professional Strength formula, which is by prescription (vet). I also sprinkle Nutritional Yeast onto my cats' dry food, which is loaded w/B vitamins. These above products are also good for your felv- cats also, it wouldn't hurt them that's for sure to have some supplements. I would invest in a high quality dry food, I use Innova Evo mixed w/Wellness Core only for my felv+ cats. My felv- cats get predominantly the above foods, but if I have a coupon or find a good sale on Nutro, Iams or Blue Buffalo I will mix a bit into their food bin to help stretch the kitty budget. They also like these brands, and they think they are getting a real treat when I mix them in... :) You are correct about dedicated food bowls, I always run mine through the dishwasher, which would kill any germs but my felv+ cats have their own bowls dishes regardless. Bedding should not be shared, either, just to be safe., and my felv+ have their own litterboxes also. (I use a different typeof box altogether for them, that way I know when I see them they are for felv+). Since my washer / dryer area is in my felv- cats' room, I never pull the laundry from the felv+suite and leave it anywhere my felv- can lay on it, just to be safe. It goes directly into the washer, and I use an environmentally friendly detergent (7th Generation) but I do use bleach. I hear that 7th Generation also has a bleach product, but I have yet to find time to hunt it down.. :) My cats also have the Drinkwell systems, in both areas. I have 2 fountains that are dedicated to the felv+ alone, and they get switched out every 2 weeks. I also never clean both areas on the same day, just to be sure I do not mix any bowls, beds or Drinkwells. Does that make sense? I hope this helps you! Please let us know how things go and if you have anyone questions! Thanks! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Forgotten Souls To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:08 PM Subject: New to group; Questions Good evening, all! I'm new to this group, and came here in hopes I could get some feedback/advice on multicat homes with pos and neg cats. Specifically, I currently have neg cats, and am looking to assist a FeLeuk kitty. We have a nice size home, and have a large spare room that can be easily converted for a FeLeuk cat to be isolated from my neg guys. My major concerns really are what types of precautions will need to be taken to protect the neg cats from contracting it, and protecting the pos cat from any issues as well. I have been doing some extensive reading, and aside from common sense things (dedicated food dish, litterbox, etc, using bleach solutions to sanitize), what else should I be aware of to protect the cats from eachother? Pardon my questions if they come across as silly, I just want the best for these guys and don't want to place any undue harm on anys cats, or commit to something I can't do. How long does the virus actually survive in the environment? Is there anything I should be doing when going between the FeLeuk room and my cats to prevent transmission (change clothes, etc)? If any of you have a set up like this, can you give me specifics on how you are making it
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On 8/21/07, Forgotten Souls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good evening, all! Hi there! How long does the virus actually survive in the environment? Very short time. The saying here is when it dries, it dies. How contagious and easily does the virus actually transmit from an affected cat? It is extremely difficult to transmit to a healthy adult cat. Main modes of transmission are deep bite wounds and nursing. Healthy adult cats have ~85% immunity to the virus. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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I have a volunteer who lives in England. She says they do not declaw there at all, I believe it is against the law. She was also horrified to hear about the stray/feral cat situation and says they really don't have that in England. Now whether or not that is true and she's just not aware I do not know. On 8/22/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, and for some reason, I am thinking that they do not have the animal cruelty problem there that we have here. I could be wrong. My cats actually seem healthier since they have access to the fresh air. No matter what the weather is like, they are out there. At night, of course, they have to sleep on top of me. Ever guarding the food source:) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Success with Rescue Cat Susan, I noticed that about England on a British cat chat site that I was once a member of. But they all had backyards that were very small with fences and very interesting tops to the fences that kept the cats from crawling over. I hope someday to have a nice cat enclosure, but I could never have a fenced in yard. Our yard is much too big—plus we like our neighbors and don't want to fence them out! J But, I do sometimes feel cruel not letting the kitties out. I know they'd love to run around and roll around in the grass. This will remind me to keep saving for an enclosure! Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Success with Rescue Cat -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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On Aug 22, 2007, at 4:23 PM, Marylyn wrote: Dixie has a 10 x 10 x 6 foot tall dog kennel (a shade topper is on the way) that ran about $200. If you buy the panels you can add on to the enclosure or reconfigure it as needed. Until you are very sure where the little darlings can sneak out you need to spend time with them there. Usually they can get under the door or where the door meets the bar. It is easy to fix these places but you have to know where they are and the cats will tell you if you listen and give them enough time. You may be able to find chain link panels/ kennels used or on sale. Dixie has not had hers very long but she likes it. Ebony and Mi Tu loved theirs. They had almost 24/7/365 access to it thru a pet door. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:58 PM Subject: Re: Success with Rescue Cat Yes, and for some reason, I am thinking that they do not have the animal cruelty problem there that we have here. I could be wrong. My cats actually seem healthier since they have access to the fresh air. No matter what the weather is like, they are out there. At night, of course, they have to sleep on top of me. Ever guarding the food source:) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Success with Rescue Cat Susan, I noticed that about England on a British cat chat site that I was once a member of. But they all had backyards that were very small with fences and very interesting tops to the fences that kept the cats from crawling over. I hope someday to have a nice cat enclosure, but I could never have a fenced in yard. Our yard is much too big—plus we like our neighbors and don’t want to fence them out! J But, I do sometimes feel cruel not letting the kitties out. I know they’d love to run around and roll around in the grass. This will remind me to keep saving for an enclosure! Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Success with Rescue Cat
OT - Bengal Cat Rescue
I know someone here in Little Rock who has a Bengal cat that we're looking for a home or rescue for. Does anyone know anything about the Bengal cat rescues - like in Missouri or Minnesota or wherever? Thanks, Gloria in Arkansas
OT - Bengal Cat Rescue
I know someone here in Little Rock who has a Bengal cat that we're looking for a home or rescue for. Does anyone know anything about the Bengal cat rescues - like in Missouri or Minnesota or wherever? Thanks, Gloria in Arkansas
OT: Very OT: England
This is way OT, but I agree with the way they equip their police officers in England. I assume that hand guns are outlawed in general, but I dont know. As for violent crimeyes, they have that. I had to read the book Among the Thugs in grad school. Its about one man who hangs out with the soccer fans in Britain (non-fiction). Read about soccer fans, and youll totally change your perspective on England (by you I dont mean you, Caroline, just the plural, general you). Some of the atrocities are astounding. These thugs are often skinheads who detest authority (cops) and anyone but WASPs. They are actually more like gangs organized around which soccer team they support. I could repeat some of the things they did, but Ill try to keep this pg as reminded before. Its horrifying. Much worse than our NFL fans or other professional sports fanswho can be extreme at timesthese soccer fans in England are far more over the top than any sports fans here. In your spare time (ha ha), you should read this bookvery interesting although not uplifting. Its always good to be informed about other cultures, I think. We have so much to learn about the world! :-) I sincerely apologize for being very OT, but I consider you guys my friends, and Id like to share this info. Sometimes I just cant help but chit chat, sorry! Feel free to chastise me with abandon! Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 3:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Success with Rescue Cat No, I don't think they have the animal cruelty issue like we do. You have to remember that England's version of police officers don't even carry guns!!! Because they so rarely have any violent crime! An animal cruelty is a violent crime. I have always taken all my cats out on leashes, and now, harnesses. And I moved to the house I live in now a year ago, pretty much for Monkee. So that he could have a front, screened in and enclosed porch...which he worshiped. I moved there last August, not knowing that it would be the last year of his life, and that come Aug. 2007, he'd be gone. But I know for a fact that last year of his life was his happiest because he LOVED that porch more than anything! I hope to eventually always have a similar (but bigger) screened and enclosed porch for all the kitties I will someday have. They get the best of both worlds that way! -Caroline _ From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Success with Rescue Cat Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:58:49 -0500 Yes, and for some reason, I am thinking that they do not have the animal cruelty problem there that we have here. I could be wrong. My cats actually seem healthier since they have access to the fresh air. No matter what the weather is like, they are out there. At night, of course, they have to sleep on top of me. Ever guarding the food source:) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/ www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/ www.shadowcats.net http://www.shadowcats.net/ As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Success with Rescue Cat Susan, I noticed that about England on a British cat chat site that I was once a member of. But they all had backyards that were very small with fences and very interesting tops to the fences that kept the cats from crawling over. I hope someday to have a nice cat enclosure, but I could never have a fenced in yard. Our yard is much too bigplus we like our neighbors and dont want to fence them out! :-) But, I do sometimes feel cruel not letting the kitties out. I know theyd love to run around and roll around in the grass. This will remind me to keep saving for an enclosure! Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Success with Rescue Cat _ Messenger http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2734??PS=47575 Café open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now.
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Well done, Caroline. You and your mother must be both saddened and relieved at once. I'm sure you will miss her, but knowing that she is going home to a place where she is loved is a consolation. For 2 to 3 cat households, jackets are a great way to allow cats outdoors to roam around with relative safety. It really has changed all our lives. MeMe can spend hours on end hunting bugs or watching the bird bath and I no longer have the guilt of keeping her in, or the anxiety of worrying about where she is. She goes in and out a dozen times a day. I've begun putting her coat on in the morning and taking it off at night. On Aug 22, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: No, I don't think they have the animal cruelty issue like we do. You have to remember that England's version of police officers don't even carry guns!!! Because they so rarely have any violent crime! An animal cruelty is a violent crime. I have always taken all my cats out on leashes, and now, harnesses. And I moved to the house I live in now a year ago, pretty much for Monkee. So that he could have a front, screened in and enclosed porch...which he worshiped. I moved there last August, not knowing that it would be the last year of his life, and that come Aug. 2007, he'd be gone. But I know for a fact that last year of his life was his happiest because he LOVED that porch more than anything! I hope to eventually always have a similar (but bigger) screened and enclosed porch for all the kitties I will someday have. They get the best of both worlds that way! -Caroline From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Success with Rescue Cat Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:58:49 -0500 Yes, and for some reason, I am thinking that they do not have the animal cruelty problem there that we have here. I could be wrong. My cats actually seem healthier since they have access to the fresh air. No matter what the weather is like, they are out there. At night, of course, they have to sleep on top of me. Ever guarding the food source:) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Success with Rescue Cat Susan, I noticed that about England on a British cat chat site that I was once a member of. But they all had backyards that were very small with fences and very interesting tops to the fences that kept the cats from crawling over. I hope someday to have a nice cat enclosure, but I could never have a fenced in yard. Our yard is much too big—plus we like our neighbors and don’t want to fence them out! J But, I do sometimes feel cruel not letting the kitties out. I know they’d love to run around and roll around in the grass. This will remind me to keep saving for an enclosure! Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Success with Rescue Cat Messenger Café — open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now.
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Here is how my enclosure is set up, in case anyone plans to build one in the future. My house is an L, w/the bottom of the L being the cats' room. The body of the L is the master bedroom w/the living room on the other side. The top of the L is the office, which runs along the driveway and is all windows. The felv+ cats live in the office, which is the about the size of a 2 car garage w/a full bathroom. The non felv section is the cat room, the master bathroom, the master bedroom, and their enclosure which includes a porch that comes off of the office area. In otherwords, the enclosure fills in the L shape to make a 15 x 25 cat enclosure. My friend Julia built the enclosure w/her crew. She is an fine artist /faux finisher by trade, but has a business called kitty kat habitats on the side. She is usually off doing million $$ homes ( I helped her w/a $22. million home as well as a $2.5 million upgrade to St.Mary's cathedral downtown.THAT was fun, 4 stories up, feelin'like Micheagelo) but she really likes doing small kitty projects. Anyway, she had the concrete for the slab poured @ a very gradual 1/2inch sloop so that we could hose it out and the water would drain out. The concrete is stained fern green w/ bronze flecks, w/a high gloss finish /sealer. No phosphates can be used on it, so I either use Simple Green for cleaning or Citro Solve. There is a water faucet that I can attach a hose to, and one right outside the enclosure for litterbox duty. The enclosure is surrounded by a French drainage system, as well as more French Drains throughout the yard. The enclosure is screened in w/ the very black pet screen that is really heavy duty, and on top of this is 2 x 4 inch welded wire for more security. You cannot see into the enclosure, unless you are right up to the screen and cup your eyes to look in. The cats can see outside just fine, though. The base of the enclosure ( from concrete to last board) has a 1 inch gap, w/ the petscreen flappingover hanging down about 3 inches. This is so I can wash the floor squeegie it out but the flies /mosquitoes cannot come in. There are 3 ceiling fans w/light kits, 2 run along the inside of the enclosure and one is on the little concrete porch. There is a big door that can open up to the enclosure,but I keep cat trees in front of it so it's rarely used. It is just for when I shoo all the cats into the house and have to move any furniture or something big in or out. Main outside access is through the airlockwhich is off of the little concrete porch. In otherwords, if I were to exit from the office, I would turn right, unlock the door,exit, close door, then open another to leave. The airlock system prevents any cat from escaping. The airlock is as big as a good size walk in closet,and I store my extra litter bird /squirrel food there. The roof is a realroof not the plastic green sheets. It is fully insulated w/plywood on top and shingles that match the house on the roof. We are planning on painting clouds on the ceiling, and along the wall Julia wants to paint a jungle theme. She's a great artist, when she has time ( she will be designing a new Tarot deck for me. Siamese cats) Anyway, the 25 ft. screened wall has a 2 foot overhang so that the rain does not come in,no matter how hard it rains or the wind blows. Also on this side, the enclosure wall goes up about 2 ft., then it goes out two more feet for an addition perch area. This area has 3 levels of different size boards for their lounging,running perching pleasure. I have 4 @ 60qt. clear blue boxes w/ 30lbs.of Yesterday's News, 4 @ 55qt. clear boxes w/ 30 lbs.of Tidy Cat, and one 2.5 x 2.5 clear lowbox w/Tidy Cat for my kitty Hobbs, who is missing most of both of his back legs:( They also have my old leather couch (it's12 yrs old, withstands cat pee poop w/a little baking soda) and an old coffee table that hold 3 waters 2 food bowls. Underneath the coffee table is one food bowl and one water bowl, once again so that Hobbs can reach it. Inside their room ( there is a cat door that goes from their room to the enclosure, and a cat door that goes from the master bedroom to the enclosure to the little porch) they have my old tile kitchen table along one wall. The table holds 2 large food bowls and 2 Drinkwells. Under the table are 4 kitty meals on wheeels (plastic food storage bins) that each hold 45 to 50 lbs.of food. 2 of the bins are housecat mix (Evo Core) and 2 of the bins are the dry feral mix ( Costco brand mixed w/Purina One). They also have a double trunk that stores cat beds but on top has a blanket w/beds on top of that for them to sleep on. They also have a very tacky teal velvet loveseat w/fringe @ the bottom that they sleepon and that Hobbs Foxy Brown hide under. They also have a cushy readingchair that is for sleeping, and the furniture is all covered w/pee pads (hospital grade) w/throws on top. They have
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I thought felv could be transmitted through saliva, like preening, water bowls (staying wet) or litterboxes. fiv transmits through deep puncture wounds. Correct me if I am wrong. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:56 PM Subject: Re: New to group; Questions On 8/21/07, Forgotten Souls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good evening, all! Hi there! How long does the virus actually survive in the environment? Very short time. The saying here is when it dries, it dies. How contagious and easily does the virus actually transmit from an affected cat? It is extremely difficult to transmit to a healthy adult cat. Main modes of transmission are deep bite wounds and nursing. Healthy adult cats have ~85% immunity to the virus. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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Hello All! This is Ang. You helped me thru a very hard time on Tuesday with the passing of my kitty, Boy. I just read the message from Melody and I just wanted to share with everyone that my vet told me yesterday, when I had Ripley and Sherman to the vet, that clothes should be washed, hardwood floors should be bleached/scrubbed and all fabric should be washed. Couch and chair cushions should be washed by hand with hot water and disinfectant. I have also learned that food bowls, water bowls and litter boxes should be thrown out. They say that the virus can live outside the body for 3 hours, but I would rather be safe than sorry. Ang Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Melody! First, I want to say thanks so much for wanting to help a felv+cat, people who decide to bring one knowingly into their lives seem to be few far between. I have 5 now, and I also have many felv- cats, many of those are chronically ill w/other ailments or geriatric. Meaning, they already have compromised immune systems and I have to be very careful not to expose them to felv. So, I recommend 2 things, not allowing them to playunder the door w/each other (good to get a flap that can prevent this) and always wash your hands after handling your felv+ cat. It is a very delicate virus, so I do not believe you need to change your clothes after you spend time w/your felv+ cat. I don't change my clothes, but if I did I would have to do it several times per day. There are others on this list who might advise you to change your clothes, I don't know. Ask your vet for his /her opinion, also. This brings up another question, are you comfortable w/your vet's knowledge of felv..? Discoveries are being made quite frequently about this disease, so it is good to have a vet that is well informed and who keeps up w/all the new medical developments. I also recommend the standard immune boosters, L-Lysine, for sure, and I also use a product called Missing Link,but I get the Professional Strength formula, which is by prescription (vet). I also sprinkle Nutritional Yeast onto my cats' dry food, which is loaded w/B vitamins. These above products are also good for your felv- cats also, it wouldn't hurt them that's for sure to have some supplements. I would invest in a high quality dry food, I use Innova Evo mixed w/Wellness Core only for my felv+ cats. My felv- cats get predominantly the above foods, but if I have a coupon or find a good sale on Nutro, Iams or Blue Buffalo I will mix a bit into their food bin to help stretch the kitty budget. They also like these brands, and they think they are getting a real treat when I mix them in... :) You are correct about dedicated food bowls, I always run mine through the dishwasher, which would kill any germs but my felv+ cats have their own bowls dishes regardless. Bedding should not be shared, either, just to be safe., and my felv+ have their own litterboxes also. (I use a different typeof box altogether for them, that way I know when I see them they are for felv+). Since my washer / dryer area is in my felv- cats' room, I never pull the laundry from the felv+suite and leave it anywhere my felv- can lay on it, just to be safe. It goes directly into the washer, and I use an environmentally friendly detergent (7th Generation) but I do use bleach. I hear that 7th Generation also has a bleach product, but I have yet to find time to hunt it down.. :) My cats also have the Drinkwell systems, in both areas. I have 2 fountains that are dedicated to the felv+ alone, and they get switched out every 2 weeks. I also never clean both areas on the same day, just to be sure I do not mix any bowls, beds or Drinkwells. Does that make sense? I hope this helps you! Please let us know how things go and if you have anyone questions! Thanks! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Forgotten Souls To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:08 PM Subject: New to group; Questions Good evening, all! I'm new to this group, and came here in hopes I could get some feedback/advice on multicat homes with pos and neg cats. Specifically, I currently have neg cats, and am looking to assist a FeLeuk kitty. We have a nice size home, and have a large spare room that can be easily converted for a FeLeuk cat to be isolated from
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I would not throw all those things away. But of course it is up to you. It seems very silly to me, since Ripley, Sherman, and Boy have all been living together for..how long? to at this point start throwing things away. On 8/22/07, Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All! This is Ang. You helped me thru a very hard time on Tuesday with the passing of my kitty, Boy. I just read the message from Melody and I just wanted to share with everyone that my vet told me yesterday, when I had Ripley and Sherman to the vet, that clothes should be washed, hardwood floors should be bleached/scrubbed and all fabric should be washed. Couch and chair cushions should be washed by hand with hot water and disinfectant. I have also learned that food bowls, water bowls and litter boxes should be thrown out. They say that the virus can live outside the body for 3 hours, but I would rather be safe than sorry. Ang Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Melody! First, I want to say thanks so much for wanting to help a felv+cat, people who decide to bring one knowingly into their lives seem to be few far between. I have 5 now, and I also have many felv- cats, many of those are chronically ill w/other ailments or geriatric. Meaning, they already have compromised immune systems and I have to be very careful not to expose them to felv. So, I recommend 2 things, not allowing them to playunder the door w/each other (good to get a flap that can prevent this) and always wash your hands after handling your felv+ cat. It is a very delicate virus, so I do not believe you need to change your clothes after you spend time w/your felv+ cat. I don't change my clothes, but if I did I would have to do it several times per day. There are others on this list who might advise you to change your clothes, I don't know. Ask your vet for his /her opinion, also. This brings up another question, are you comfortable w/your vet's knowledge of felv..? Discoveries are being made quite frequently about this disease, so it is good to have a vet that is well informed and who keeps up w/all the new medical developments. I also recommend the standard immune boosters, L-Lysine, for sure, and I also use a product called Missing Link,but I get the Professional Strength formula, which is by prescription (vet). I also sprinkle Nutritional Yeast onto my cats' dry food, which is loaded w/B vitamins. These above products are also good for your felv- cats also, it wouldn't hurt them that's for sure to have some supplements. I would invest in a high quality dry food, I use Innova Evo mixed w/Wellness Core only for my felv+ cats. My felv- cats get predominantly the above foods, but if I have a coupon or find a good sale on Nutro, Iams or Blue Buffalo I will mix a bit into their food bin to help stretch the kitty budget. They also like these brands, and they think they are getting a real treat when I mix them in... :) You are correct about dedicated food bowls, I always run mine through the dishwasher, which would kill any germs but my felv+ cats have their own bowls dishes regardless. Bedding should not be shared, either, just to be safe., and my felv+ have their own litterboxes also. (I use a different typeof box altogether for them, that way I know when I see them they are for felv+). Since my washer / dryer area is in my felv- cats' room, I never pull the laundry from the felv+suite and leave it anywhere my felv- can lay on it, just to be safe. It goes directly into the washer, and I use an environmentally friendly detergent (7th Generation) but I do use bleach. I hear that 7th Generation also has a bleach product, but I have yet to find time to hunt it down.. :) My cats also have the Drinkwell systems, in both areas. I have 2 fountains that are dedicated to the felv+ alone, and they get switched out every 2 weeks. I also never clean both areas on the same day, just to be sure I do not mix any bowls, beds or Drinkwells. Does that make sense? I hope this helps you! Please let us know how things go and if you have anyone questions! Thanks! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Forgotten Souls To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:08 PM Subject: New to group; Questions Good evening, all! I'm new to this group, and came here in hopes I could get some feedback/advice on multicat homes with pos and neg cats. Specifically, I currently have neg cats, and am looking to assist a
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FELV can be transmitted vertically (in utero or in milk) which is the most common method of transmission. It is a virus that is difficult to transmit. Transmission through saliva, tears, urine and feces is known as horizontal transmission. This would include deep bite wounds (which also transmit FIV). There is significant age resistance. http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/57000.htm On 8/22/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought felv could be transmitted through saliva, like preening, water bowls (staying wet) or litterboxes. fiv transmits through deep puncture wounds. Correct me if I am wrong. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:56 PM Subject: Re: New to group; Questions On 8/21/07, Forgotten Souls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good evening, all! Hi there! How long does the virus actually survive in the environment? Very short time. The saying here is when it dries, it dies. How contagious and easily does the virus actually transmit from an affected cat? It is extremely difficult to transmit to a healthy adult cat. Main modes of transmission are deep bite wounds and nursing. Healthy adult cats have ~85% immunity to the virus. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Update
Ok, guys, here's the status. I just called the vet's office, they told me both Poppy and Grizzabella's tests came back positive today. I guess what I need to do now is figure out what to do from here. I did ask about UT, and she just sort of side-stepped the question. I also asked what happened to Dr. Merryman, and the only thing she would tell me was She's not here anymore and I don't know what she's doing. So, needless to say, I think I'm done with this vet's office. I'm pretty sure I can get a referral to UT, so I guess that's the next step, both of them are headed there as soon as I can get the referrals. I tried the echinacea and lysine supplements, but none of them have felt well enough to eat since their vaccines yesterday, so I'll try it again when they're feeling better. If they don't take it. I'm a bit upset right now, so I'm gonna leave it at that guys, til I have a little time to calm down. I'm open to suggestions as to what I should do next. Michael ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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Oh, here is some great info from the Merck vet manual about throwing off the virus! In ~70% of adult cats, viremia and virus shedding are transient, lasting only 1-16 wk. A few cats continue to shed virus in secretions for several weeks to months after they cease to be viremic. Virus may persist in bone marrow for a longer period, but even this latent, or sequestered, infection usually disappears within 6 mo. Some FeLV-exposed cats (~30%) do not mount an adequate immune response and go on to become persistently (ie, permanently) viremic. Persistently viremic cats develop fatal diseases after a variable time period. Same url. On 8/22/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FELV can be transmitted vertically (in utero or in milk) which is the most common method of transmission. It is a virus that is difficult to transmit. Transmission through saliva, tears, urine and feces is known as horizontal transmission. This would include deep bite wounds (which also transmit FIV). There is significant age resistance. http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/57000.htm On 8/22/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought felv could be transmitted through saliva, like preening, water bowls (staying wet) or litterboxes. fiv transmits through deep puncture wounds. Correct me if I am wrong. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:56 PM Subject: Re: New to group; Questions On 8/21/07, Forgotten Souls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good evening, all! Hi there! How long does the virus actually survive in the environment? Very short time. The saying here is when it dries, it dies. How contagious and easily does the virus actually transmit from an affected cat? It is extremely difficult to transmit to a healthy adult cat. Main modes of transmission are deep bite wounds and nursing. Healthy adult cats have ~85% immunity to the virus. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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Michael, I am so sorry! My heart just sank to my toes. I'm new at this too, actually I think that you know more than I do by the words you used. (I don't know what they mean, UT?), But I do know heartache. You and both kitties are in my prayers! God Bless Ang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, guys, here's the status. I just called the vet's office, they told me both Poppy and Grizzabella's tests came back positive today. I guess what I need to do now is figure out what to do from here. I did ask about UT, and she just sort of side-stepped the question. I also asked what happened to Dr. Merryman, and the only thing she would tell me was She's not here anymore and I don't know what she's doing. So, needless to say, I think I'm done with this vet's office. I'm pretty sure I can get a referral to UT, so I guess that's the next step, both of them are headed there as soon as I can get the referrals. I tried the echinacea and lysine supplements, but none of them have felt well enough to eat since their vaccines yesterday, so I'll try it again when they're feeling better. If they don't take it. I'm a bit upset right now, so I'm gonna leave it at that guys, til I have a little time to calm down. I'm open to suggestions as to what I should do next. Michael - Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.
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I agree, but do what you are commfortable with doing. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: Re: New to group; Questions I would not throw all those things away. But of course it is up to you. It seems very silly to me, since Ripley, Sherman, and Boy have all been living together for..how long? to at this point start throwing things away. On 8/22/07, Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All! This is Ang. You helped me thru a very hard time on Tuesday with the passing of my kitty, Boy. I just read the message from Melody and I just wanted to share with everyone that my vet told me yesterday, when I had Ripley and Sherman to the vet, that clothes should be washed, hardwood floors should be bleached/scrubbed and all fabric should be washed. Couch and chair cushions should be washed by hand with hot water and disinfectant. I have also learned that food bowls, water bowls and litter boxes should be thrown out. They say that the virus can live outside the body for 3 hours, but I would rather be safe than sorry. Ang Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Melody! First, I want to say thanks so much for wanting to help a felv+cat, people who decide to bring one knowingly into their lives seem to be few far between. I have 5 now, and I also have many felv- cats, many of those are chronically ill w/other ailments or geriatric. Meaning, they already have compromised immune systems and I have to be very careful not to expose them to felv. So, I recommend 2 things, not allowing them to playunder the door w/each other (good to get a flap that can prevent this) and always wash your hands after handling your felv+ cat. It is a very delicate virus, so I do not believe you need to change your clothes after you spend time w/your felv+ cat. I don't change my clothes, but if I did I would have to do it several times per day. There are others on this list who might advise you to change your clothes, I don't know. Ask your vet for his /her opinion, also. This brings up another question, are you comfortable w/your vet's knowledge of felv..? Discoveries are being made quite frequently about this disease, so it is good to have a vet that is well informed and who keeps up w/all the new medical developments. I also recommend the standard immune boosters, L-Lysine, for sure, and I also use a product called Missing Link,but I get the Professional Strength formula, which is by prescription (vet). I also sprinkle Nutritional Yeast onto my cats' dry food, which is loaded w/B vitamins. These above products are also good for your felv- cats also, it wouldn't hurt them that's for sure to have some supplements. I would invest in a high quality dry food, I use Innova Evo mixed w/Wellness Core only for my felv+ cats. My felv- cats get predominantly the above foods, but if I have a coupon or find a good sale on Nutro, Iams or Blue Buffalo I will mix a bit into their food bin to help stretch the kitty budget. They also like these brands, and they think they are getting a real treat when I mix them in... :) You are correct about dedicated food bowls, I always run mine through the dishwasher, which would kill any germs but my felv+ cats have their own bowls dishes regardless. Bedding should not be shared, either, just to be safe., and my felv+ have their own litterboxes also. (I use a different typeof box altogether for them, that way I know when I see them they are for felv+). Since my washer / dryer area is in my felv- cats' room, I never pull the laundry from the felv+suite and leave it anywhere my felv- can lay on it, just to be safe. It goes directly into the washer, and I use an environmentally friendly detergent (7th Generation) but I do use bleach. I hear that 7th Generation also has a bleach product, but I have yet to find time to hunt it down.. :) My cats also have the Drinkwell systems, in both areas. I have 2 fountains that are dedicated to the felv+ alone, and they get switched out every 2 weeks. I also never clean both areas on the same day, just to be sure I do not mix any bowls, beds or Drinkwells. Does that make sense? I hope this helps you! Please let us know how things go and if you have anyone questions! Thanks! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net
Re: Update
I am sorry, Michael. Please keep us informed. Good luck. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 4:12 PM Subject: Update Ok, guys, here's the status. I just called the vet's office, they told me both Poppy and Grizzabella's tests came back positive today. I guess what I need to do now is figure out what to do from here. I did ask about UT, and she just sort of side-stepped the question. I also asked what happened to Dr. Merryman, and the only thing she would tell me was She's not here anymore and I don't know what she's doing. So, needless to say, I think I'm done with this vet's office. I'm pretty sure I can get a referral to UT, so I guess that's the next step, both of them are headed there as soon as I can get the referrals. I tried the echinacea and lysine supplements, but none of them have felt well enough to eat since their vaccines yesterday, so I'll try it again when they're feeling better. If they don't take it. I'm a bit upset right now, so I'm gonna leave it at that guys, til I have a little time to calm down. I'm open to suggestions as to what I should do next. Michael -- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.
Re: New to group; Questions
Thanks Kelly! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 4:10 PM Subject: Re: New to group; Questions FELV can be transmitted vertically (in utero or in milk) which is the most common method of transmission. It is a virus that is difficult to transmit. Transmission through saliva, tears, urine and feces is known as horizontal transmission. This would include deep bite wounds (which also transmit FIV). There is significant age resistance. http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/57000.htm On 8/22/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought felv could be transmitted through saliva, like preening, water bowls (staying wet) or litterboxes. fiv transmits through deep puncture wounds. Correct me if I am wrong. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:56 PM Subject: Re: New to group; Questions On 8/21/07, Forgotten Souls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good evening, all! Hi there! How long does the virus actually survive in the environment? Very short time. The saying here is when it dries, it dies. How contagious and easily does the virus actually transmit from an affected cat? It is extremely difficult to transmit to a healthy adult cat. Main modes of transmission are deep bite wounds and nursing. Healthy adult cats have ~85% immunity to the virus. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Benjamin Please add to the CLS :(
Sherry, I'm so sorry. tonya Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am writing this in tears,Benny was such a sweet sweet black kitty.He was just wasting away to nothing.I tried to get him to eat everytime I was there.Monday he ate many treats(which he lived for) and a bit of canned food.But he was down to 7 pounds from 14.We tried everything and Jen said WE can't keep him here just for US it just is not fair to him.I agree but it hurts so very much.I am sorry for all the sad posts I write,it is a hard job volunteering for sick kitties.Thank you all for helping me through it all. Sherry and our MANY fur angels - Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.
Re: OT - Bengal Cat Rescue
Here is the listings for Bengal Rescue Network _http://www.geocities.com/bengalrescue/regions.html_ (http://www.geocities.com/bengalrescue/regions.html) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) In a message dated 8/22/2007 1:33:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know someone here in Little Rock who has a Bengal cat that we're looking for a home or rescue for. Does anyone know anything about the Bengal cat rescues - like in Missouri or Minnesota or wherever? Thanks, Gloria in Arkansas Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: Update
Sorry, I should have clarified. UT is the Univ ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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Let me try this again UT is the University of Tennessee Medical Center. They have a Veterinary program there, its a teaching school. I think an internal medicine specialist is the next step, if I can get my doc to refer me. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: Update
Michael, If they are not symptomatic, you have breathing room. You can read on the website some of the protocols used to treat FeLV. In addition there are other immune boosters you can order w/o prescriptions. I initially used Immunoregulin protocol listed on the website, It has to be given by your vet IV injection however you can order it yourself from Revival Animal Health. My vets office said I was getting it cheaper than they could buy it. I have also used Transfer Factor Plus by 4life . Good food is essential to good health. I imagine the cats just feel bad from the vaccinations. they do need to eat whatever Will tempt them. Best of luck, I take it you are near UT? Maybe you can email the clinic. Sally Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and Spike Visit my BB for some pictures post your as well. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: Joy Please add to the CLS :(
Hi Wendy I am doing pretty good.The volunteering is very rewarding but also heartbreaking.I am proud to be able to love them while they are here. I also still have my missing Maizee days.Otherwise doing pretty good.How about you?? Sherry wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sherry, I hope you're doing great. I'm sorry to hear about Spencer and Joy. They were lucky to know you. How are you doing these days? :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 8:00:11 PM Subject: Joy Please add to the CLS :( Here we go again,sweet beautiful Joy a tortie that loved giving you kisses on your face passed away today while under to be checked out,she was going down hill and had fiv and felv.She was the first kitty that I noticed in the window when I drove up to check it out before starting my volunteering.I will miss that sweet tortie girl. Sherry - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games.
Re: Joy Please add to the CLS :(
Thank you Glenda :) glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sherry, Thank you for all you do for these sweet little guys and thank you for letting the world take note of them at their passing. Each and every one of them are incredibly special. Any one of them could have been one of our beloved cats. They deserve to be mourned by all of us who love cats. I'm sure Spencer and Joy are together in a beautiful place free of all their sadness and pain, with all the other wonderful little souls that have been lost by each of us at one time or another. Thank you again for all you give to these sweet little guys. Sending our love, Glenda and family --- Sherry DeHaan wrote: Here we go again,sweet beautiful Joy a tortie that loved giving you kisses on your face passed away today while under to be checked out,she was going down hill and had fiv and felv.She was the first kitty that I noticed in the window when I drove up to check it out before starting my volunteering.I will miss that sweet tortie girl. Sherry - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433 - Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.
Re: Joy Please add to the CLS :(
Thank you Terrie,I sure hope I will get to see these wonderful babies again. :) Sherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sherry, I don't know how you do it...but it takes a hell of a person to be around all the ones that are in your shelter. It seems you have had your share of losses lately. Thank god for good people such as yourself to give love and care to those in need. I'm so sorry to hear about Spencer and Joy. They are now free and chasing butterflies at the bridge. You are an angel yourself. There will a place for you in heaven as well. Take care! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ - Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. - Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.
Re: James are you out there?
Bleach is the only thing that kills panleuk, then it must be at the proper concentration and left for the proper duration. Otherwise it can persist on surfaces for months or years. My vet has recommended that I bleach all bleachable surfaces daily due to some virii I have had. I have not had a cat die from me using bleach. I have had a cat die from this mystery virus I have had - my vet believes it is mutated calici. I don't know about the efficacy of vinegar on whatever this is, but I do know bleach will kill it. I get regular bleach from Target. On 8/20/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry I offended you but I stand by not using chorine bleach around a cat. Further I believe vinegar is a commonly used disinfectant. Again, sorry I don't live up to your high standards. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Monday, August 20, 2007 3:43 PM *Subject:* Re: James are you out there? Wendy, The two latest examples that have come to my attention are the suggestions to substitute vinegar for bleach when disinfecting for possible panluek contamination, (with a mention that most infectious diseases don't last long in the environment) and the use of Prednisolone Acetate Ophthalmic Suspension, (steroid eye med), for all leukemia-positive patients who exhibit eye problems, (dangerous side effects can occur esp when the eye is lacerated). I'm not saying that we should know all the ramifications regarding everything we suggest in our efforts to help, what I am saying is that what is posted should be clarified with a disclaimer when we are not sure. It is always better to 'back up' our statements with links to studies that illustrate our viewpoints regardless of our certainty. We must always keep in mind that while many of us have been dealing with this insidious disease long enough to be confident in treating less serious maladies at home, there are those that are not experienced enough to recognize what is potentially dangerous and what is not. I have said many times that when dealing with felv pos kitties, it is never a good idea to take a 'wait and see' approach. When we post advice with an authoritative tone it may dissuade someone from making a potentially life saving visit to the vet. I certainly do hope that you are right and that I am over reacting about the danger to this list. If you re-read my post when going digest you will see that my being overwhelmed personally was only one of the reasons I stated for leaving. We had recently lost a long time valuable member because of hurt feelings, and for me, the list was beginning to lose what was always one of it's most valuable benefits; the feeling of safety and belonging that we felt in coming together for the common good of helping and caring for our sick fur babies. This forum is difficult enough on our emotional sensibilities without attacking each other or pointing judgmental fingers at those who's beliefs and circumstances are different than our own. Nina Subject: Re: James are you out there? From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:28:20 -0700 (PDT) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Nina, As much as I love you, I do not agree with your saying that incorrect information is being presented as matter-of-fact. Can you please post specific examples of this happening? Anytime this does happen, usually someone here can clarify. I have not gone anywhere, am here every single day, and have not seen this happening as you say. Yes, it's true that many long time members are not around, but we don't know all the reasons for each one's absence. I know Elizabeth left because of personal reasons, and you said you had a lot going on recently so were going digest for a while. As someone who is very active on this site, I was disappointed to read your post because I do not feel the same way you do. Some OT, yes, BUT, fortunately we aren't seeing much going on in the way of people needing FeLV help, so the OT does help keep the group active when there is not a lot going on. I agree that the mean spirited stuff should not happen, however, there are only three instances that I know of in the past year, all three in the past 3 months, and 2 of those have been resolved and the other I believe the same in a matter of days. I do not see that this list is in the danger that you do. There are people here to help when help is needed. Respectfully, :) Wendy -- Rescuties - Saving the
Re: New to group; Questions
Absolutely. Everyone should do what they are comfortable with, and it probably isnt' as big a deal for her to replace all the items as it would be for me or another rescuer. I just don't want people who are new to the list to think they need to throw everything out, particularly if cats have already been sharing them for some period of time. On 8/22/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, but do what you are commfortable with doing. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Joy Please add to the CLS :(
Pretty good here. Starting a new IT job, and my head is about to explode with all the software I have to learn. lol. Thanks for asking. It seems our site is picking up again. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad... :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 5:37:23 PM Subject: Re: Joy Please add to the CLS :( Hi Wendy I am doing pretty good.The volunteering is very rewarding but also heartbreaking.I am proud to be able to love them while they are here. I also still have my missing Maizee days.Otherwise doing pretty good.How about you?? Sherry wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sherry, I hope you're doing great. I'm sorry to hear about Spencer and Joy. They were lucky to know you. How are you doing these days? :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 8:00:11 PM Subject: Joy Please add to the CLS :( Here we go again,sweet beautiful Joy a tortie that loved giving you kisses on your face passed away today while under to be checked out,she was going down hill and had fiv and felv.She was the first kitty that I noticed in the window when I drove up to check it out before starting my volunteering.I will miss that sweet tortie girl. Sherry Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
Re: Update
Micheal, I have heard that the UT facility is excellent. And I heard this from vet, who is excellent also. I had a client that was moving to Memphis and he had a dog that was going thru chemo. Dr. Smith said he highly recommended UT. (University of Tennessee). I hope this makes you feel a bit better. That they have a good rep. down here (Austin). (When I see or heard the letters UT, tho, I automatically think of University of Texas, of course.. :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 5:10 PM Subject: Re: Update Let me try this again UT is the University of Tennessee Medical Center. They have a Veterinary program there, its a teaching school. I think an internal medicine specialist is the next step, if I can get my doc to refer me. -- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.
Re: OT: Success with Rescue Cat
Wow Caroline! How wonderful! I am so happy that you feel good about the caregiver of this kitty and I really hope the transfer goes well. Did she sound happy, relieved, surprised, etc? Or did you communicate solely via email? Please let us know how it goes tonight. I am really curious and I hope you walk away feeling like you did something really important that made a difference, because you did. And I hope, when you see them reunite, you are beyond comfortable with how much the owners love their furbaby. What you did was wonderful, taking her in like that. And look how it made your mom change, now considering doing more rescue! Isn't that great, in and of itself?! My hat's off to you and your mom, :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:49:03 PM Subject: OT: Success with Rescue Cat Okay, since there's been lots of debate and dare I say, controversy, over the Malnourished Rescue Cat my mom and I took in and have been caring for, I wanted everyone to know that she is GOING HOME and we have successfully reunited her with her family. Long story short, we pretty much took EVERYONE'S advice and tried a variety of tactics (as I previously mentioned-- signs posted, I posted on websites, etc.). As I had mentioned, from the Rabies tag, all we were able to obtain is the telephone number and street name (not number) of the owner and the name of the cat- Nosey. My mom and I pretty much sat on it for a while since by then, we'd already taken her to the Vet and started her on Clavamox and she needed so much rehabilitation anyway. We tried to decide what to do and we just hated the idea of totally cold call to this number...not knowing ANYTHING about the person and whether they were a good owner. We are almost finished with the Clavamox and have finished one tube of Terramycin and Nosey is still exhibiting Upper Respiratory Infection symptoms, thus my mom said we have to either: 1) take her back to the vet this week, as needs more care, or 2) call the owners and make sure they take her to the vet. Since I had the owner phone number, I FINALLY remembered that the Whitepages.com has this handy tab where you can do a reverse look-up- using the phone number...it will give you a name and address. Bingo! I got the street address we'd been wanting, which also provided me with the NAMES of the two people living there So, then I of course googled their names...and low and behold, one of them is a Partner at a law firm here and of course, my mouth dropped open (I am a lawyer too- and although this is a big city, it's a SMALL legal community), thus I knew I had to contact her at that point. I also knew she could definitely afford the vet bill Nosey incurred (they live on very rich street- I know that sounds weird, but the property value of the houses on that street is ridiculous). Anyway, I feel like the ultimate pet detective, seriously. Sometimes I think all I need in life is google and the white or yellowpages.com!!! My mom and I discussed it and I decided to send her an email at her firm's email address from my work email, so she would know where I work and that I am an attorney too. I took the initial vague route first (as was discussed on this list serve)...to feel her out, etc. She replied and said it's their cat and they looked for her for weeks and weeks, but didn't check online sites (which she apologized for) and asked when they could come get her. After another consult with my mom, my mom wanted me to send her another email where I socked it to her with the malnutrition, that she would have died if we hadn't taken her in, she went to the vet and this and that was done and the bill is this amount, we've been feeding her this that, she needs to go back to the vet because the URI is still lingering, I advise she go back and get this treatment (a full blood panel to check liver/kidney function, fecal for tapeworms, etc.). AND then I asked if she was outdoor/indoor cat and said if so, I recommend she NOT be an outdoor cat because she does not fair well outside, she has this URI that won't go away, and she's deathly afraid of storms and if she is out when one comes, she will run and hide. WHEW! All that. I also apologized for hitting her with all this at once and at work and admitted that I wanted to feel her out initially before I admitted that we had the cat in our house and have done intensive care/rehabbing. She responded really well!!! She gave me info about Nosey's background- they've had Nosey since birth and she lives with her Mother and Brother cats. They are mostly outside cats because they live on a large piece of property with a covered
Re: OT: Success with Rescue Cat
Absolutely amazing! How absolutely cool! This is one lucky cat to have gotten so much help! I loved this story...Glenda --- Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Okay, since there's been lots of debate and dare I say, controversy, over the Malnourished Rescue Cat my mom and I took in and have been caring for, I wanted everyone to know that she is GOING HOME and we have successfully reunited her with her family. Long story short, we pretty much took EVERYONE'S advice and tried a variety of tactics (as I previously mentioned-- signs posted, I posted on websites, etc.). As I had mentioned, from the Rabies tag, all we were able to obtain is the telephone number and street name (not number) of the owner and the name of the cat- Nosey. My mom and I pretty much sat on it for a while since by then, we'd already taken her to the Vet and started her on Clavamox and she needed so much rehabilitation anyway. We tried to decide what to do and we just hated the idea of totally cold call to this number...not knowing ANYTHING about the person and whether they were a good owner. We are almost finished with the Clavamox and have finished one tube of Terramycin and Nosey is still exhibiting Upper Respiratory Infection symptoms, thus my mom said we have to either: 1) take her back to the vet this week, as needs more care, or 2) call the owners and make sure they take her to the vet. Since I had the owner phone number, I FINALLY remembered that the Whitepages.com has this handy tab where you can do a reverse look-up- using the phone number...it will give you a name and address. Bingo! I got the street address we'd been wanting, which also provided me with the NAMES of the two people living there So, then I of course googled their names...and low and behold, one of them is a Partner at a law firm here and of course, my mouth dropped open (I am a lawyer too- and although this is a big city, it's a SMALL legal community), thus I knew I had to contact her at that point. I also knew she could definitely afford the vet bill Nosey incurred (they live on very rich street- I know that sounds weird, but the property value of the houses on that street is ridiculous). Anyway, I feel like the ultimate pet detective, seriously. Sometimes I think all I need in life is google and the white or yellowpages.com!!! My mom and I discussed it and I decided to send her an email at her firm's email address from my work email, so she would know where I work and that I am an attorney too. I took the initial vague route first (as was discussed on this list serve)...to feel her out, etc. She replied and said it's their cat and they looked for her for weeks and weeks, but didn't check online sites (which she apologized for) and asked when they could come get her. After another consult with my mom, my mom wanted me to send her another email where I socked it to her with the malnutrition, that she would have died if we hadn't taken her in, she went to the vet and this and that was done and the bill is this amount, we've been feeding her this that, she needs to go back to the vet because the URI is still lingering, I advise she go back and get this treatment (a full blood panel to check liver/kidney function, fecal for tapeworms, etc.). AND then I asked if she was outdoor/indoor cat and said if so, I recommend she NOT be an outdoor cat because she does not fair well outside, she has this URI that won't go away, and she's deathly afraid of storms and if she is out when one comes, she will run and hide. WHEW! All that. I also apologized for hitting her with all this at once and at work and admitted that I wanted to feel her out initially before I admitted that we had the cat in our house and have done intensive care/rehabbing. She responded really well!!! She gave me info about Nosey's background- they've had Nosey since birth and she lives with her Mother and Brother cats. They are mostly outside cats because they live on a large piece of property with a covered porch. She said the cats seldom go beyond the immediate neighbors (who love them), but the mother cat became an indoor cat a few years ago when she developed a URI!!! So, hopefully, now that poor Nosey has one that she can't seem to shake, they will make her an indoor cat now (which I did press upon her). She said they will compensate us for the care we did, thanked us, and said they will continue with further vet care for Nosey. We are going to try to connect tonight to do the hand-off. My mom and I both really happy that we've had a great result, but I have to admit that it took some detecting on my part, as we weren't going to turn this cat over to the great unknown! I will never know how Nosey got one mile away from her home, and in so doing, she had to have crossed one of the busiest state roads in Louisville (4 lanes of non-stop busy traffic, 45 mph speed limit) to get to our neighborhood???!! Thanks
To Michael Re: Update
Hi Michael, Welcome to the group. I'm sorry that you had to find us, but glad you did. I know this news must be devastating for you, as you said your kitties were your babies. But there is so much you can do for them to keep their immune systems strong. First, you are right to find a vet you are comfortable with. I like to call them on the phone and speak with the vet directly, asking him/her their philosophy on treating FeLV cats. If they say pts, I'm outta there. Second, you did well to test with IFA. Third, you are right. An internist is your best bet in dealing with FeLV. Fourth, the two most important things you can do to keep your kitties healthy is to feed them a high quality diet, one with no grains, like Innova Evo or the like. Add supplements like lysine to the food. Lysine must not have propylene glycol in the ingredients. It causes Heinz body anemia in cats. The other thing is to keep your kitties as stress-free as possible. New additions to the family, vacations and especially boarding, moving, environmental factors like heat, company, and loud noises are all some things that can stress kitties out (you probably already know this, but it can't hurt to write it for the benefit of all). I'm not saying not to take vacation or to have friends over. I just wouldn't have any big parties without putting my kitties away in a bedroom or go away for an extended vacation or travel if I can help it. My Cricket who I lost almost two years ago was fine when we went away for a week at a time every so often. The virus kicked in and he developed anemia when we had ten extra family members staying at our house for a week during a hurricane. Fifth, vaccinate your negatives for FeLV, but be aware the vaccine is only about 70% effective; I've seen other stats elsewhere, so that's a general number. Sixth, your kitties are all already exposed. Separating them at this point is only going to stress them out further, something you don't want. Seventh, your kitties can still seroconvert and 'throw' the virus, so don't give up hope that one day they will be negative. I would retest every 3-6 months (probably 6, since it's less stressful on them to travel and test less often). Eighth (man, I'm getting up there...lol), do the food switchover gradually, mixing like 10/90%, then 30/70%, 50/50, etc. or however you want to do it, so it doesn't upset their systems. Please post here asap if you don't get them eating in 24 hours. It's important so that fatty liver disease not set in, but I imagine they will be fine. I am surprised they vaccinated with a positive test though. Did they vaccinate for FeLV? Please keep us posted Michael. We're here to help. :) Wendy Dallas, TX Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
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Thanks for the info. I'll definitely look into better foods. Do you all think its ok to mix in their morning and nightly Fancy Feast Elegant Medleys? There are three of them, and they share a can each morning and each night, so they average only 1/3 of a can at a time, but its something they have come to expect. I guess I'm wondering if there's something wrong with giving that to them. They've been on the Purina Naturals dry food, but I'm going to switch over to something with no grains and high proteins. I'm going to look for the Innova Evo, but I don't recall ever seeing it. I'll be sure to look for something with no grains tomorrow. As for the nutritional supplement recommendation, I've already gotten Lysine and Echinacea, but haven't been able to get them to eat it yet. I'm hoping they will when they're feeling better. They did eat tonight, so that makes me feel better now that I've seen them eating. As for the supplements, are those the only two recommended, or is there something else? And do you guys mix that in the dry food, or in their wet food? Luckily, we rarely ever have guests, and rarely leave for more than a couple of days at a time (and my sister is here with them when we leave, with whom they are very familiar, she has been living here on and off). They did not vaccinate the cat they knew had tested positive, but vaccinated Poppy because they ran out of ELISA tests and had to send in an IFA test with her along with Grizzabella's. I'm not comfortable with this vet office treating them, so that's why I'm going in the morning to get them to refer them to University of Tennessee School of Veterinary Medicine. I looked up the hospital tonight, quite impressive...they have 10 exam rooms, 7000 dogs/cats a year, an intensive care unit, specialists in every field you can imagine, it looks very promising: _http://www.vet.utk.edu/_ (http://www.vet.utk.edu/) The vet's office bothered me because they didn't even recommend an IFA test to verify her positive ELISA test. They just said she had it, period. That didn't sit well with me. I feel very personally responsible for them getting sick and I'm taking this very hard. But all I can do now is make sure they have the absolute best care possible. Ok, to summarize, here's what I need input on from you guys: 1. Fancy Feast Elegant Medleys...1/3 of a can morning and night...is this ok? 2. Dry food...brand recommendations 3. Supplements...any recommendations other than lysine and echinacea, and do you put it in wet or dry food? 4. Treatment options? Do you use the ImmunoRegulin Or Interferon Alpha in healthy cats, or is that treatment options you use when they're symptomatic? Thanks for all the support to everyone and all the emails I've received. It really helps me to feel like I have some sense of control over the situation, and I'm not just completely helpless. Michael ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
T-cyte.....?
Hi guys, a couple of days ago I posted that my vet was using this drug on his felv+cats to boost their immune systems. During the next phase of the research, he said I could have my cats on it @ no charge. has anyone heard of it? Thanks! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
Re: To Michael Re: Update
Hi Michael, First, please do not blame yourself. You have enough to deal w/ without stressing yourself out further. You did not create this disease, nor did you knowingly give it to your cats. Ok, questions.(You will get alot of responses, but do what you feel is right for you). Elegant Medleys is fine, and 1/3 of a can is fine too, BID (twice per day). My felv+cats eat this and they like it. I put the Lysine in their moist food in the morning along w/the Missing Link. Same thing @ night. You can get Missing Link w/o a prescription,but if you get the ProfessionalStrength formula, it has a detox factor, but it comesform the vet. L-Lysine should be about 500mg per day. My vet always recommends breaking up any meds, supplements to twice per day, as opposed to once perday,therefore the body has a more constant supply, make since? Dry foods, I use Innova Evo (bronze bag, specialty pet food stores only) and Wellness Core mixed (white bag w/bronze lettering,pet foods specialty store). Follow Wendy's guidelines that were posted for introducing the new food to them (gradual). I would only use interferon if they start to become ill, but that is just me. I use the Lysine to boost their immune system,then break out the big gun interferon,if they start showing signs of illness. Others on the list use it more frequently, it is a preference, tho. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:23 PM Subject: Re: To Michael Re: Update Thanks for the info. I'll definitely look into better foods. Do you all think its ok to mix in their morning and nightly Fancy Feast Elegant Medleys? There are three of them, and they share a can each morning and each night, so they average only 1/3 of a can at a time, but its something they have come to expect. I guess I'm wondering if there's something wrong with giving that to them. They've been on the Purina Naturals dry food, but I'm going to switch over to something with no grains and high proteins. I'm going to look for the Innova Evo, but I don't recall ever seeing it. I'll be sure to look for something with no grains tomorrow. As for the nutritional supplement recommendation, I've already gotten Lysine and Echinacea, but haven't been able to get them to eat it yet. I'm hoping they will when they're feeling better. They did eat tonight, so that makes me feel better now that I've seen them eating. As for the supplements, are those the only two recommended, or is there something else? And do you guys mix that in the dry food, or in their wet food? Luckily, we rarely ever have guests, and rarely leave for more than a couple of days at a time (and my sister is here with them when we leave, with whom they are very familiar, she has been living here on and off). They did not vaccinate the cat they knew had tested positive, but vaccinated Poppy because they ran out of ELISA tests and had to send in an IFA test with her along with Grizzabella's. I'm not comfortable with this vet office treating them, so that's why I'm going in the morning to get them to refer them to University of Tennessee School of Veterinary Medicine. I looked up the hospital tonight, quite impressive...they have 10 exam rooms, 7000 dogs/cats a year, an intensive care unit, specialists in every field you can imagine, it looks very promising: http://www.vet.utk.edu/ The vet's office bothered me because they didn't even recommend an IFA test to verify her positive ELISA test. They just said she had it, period. That didn't sit well with me. I feel very personally responsible for them getting sick and I'm taking this very hard. But all I can do now is make sure they have the absolute best care possible. Ok, to summarize, here's what I need input on from you guys: 1. Fancy Feast Elegant Medleys...1/3 of a can morning and night...is this ok? 2. Dry food...brand recommendations 3. Supplements...any recommendations other than lysine and echinacea, and do you put it in wet or dry food? 4. Treatment options? Do you use the ImmunoRegulin Or Interferon Alpha in healthy cats, or is that treatment options you use when they're symptomatic? Thanks for all the support to everyone and all the emails I've received. It really helps me to feel like I have some sense of control over the situation, and I'm not just completely helpless. Michael
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Hi Michael, I don't know the food stores in Tennessee. I buy my good food at a local pet store. Petco, Petsmart, etc do not carry it. You can get any food from www.petfooddirect.com Yes, please do not blame yourself. I know we do that - I was blaming myself yesterday when I had to have a kitty PTS that had aggressive, incurable, untreatable cancer of the mouth. You did not cause this, you can't cure it (you can help the kitty's immune system and keep them in the best possible shape to cure it themselves, but you can't *cure* it, and you can't control it. You really, really need a vet who is a partner. I am fortunate to have one who never tells me to PTS too early or too late. There are some bad vets out there but fortunately there are some very good ones. I had a kitten who tested light pos last year. The first thing my vet told me was to wait 6 months, then retest. That is standard and anyone who is not telling you that is suspect. (There is hope, my girl tested neg on the retest, so did the rest of the litter). I think it is fine for kitties to have a treat, just like people.:) On 8/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the info. I'll definitely look into better foods. Do you all think its ok to mix in their morning and nightly Fancy Feast Elegant Medleys? There are three of them, and they share a can each morning and each night, so they average only 1/3 of a can at a time, but its something they have come to expect. I guess I'm wondering if there's something wrong with giving that to them. They've been on the Purina Naturals dry food, but I'm going to switch over to something with no grains and high proteins. I'm going to look for the Innova Evo, but I don't recall ever seeing it. I'll be sure to look for something with no grains tomorrow. As for the nutritional supplement recommendation, I've already gotten Lysine and Echinacea, but haven't been able to get them to eat it yet. I'm hoping they will when they're feeling better. They did eat tonight, so that makes me feel better now that I've seen them eating. As for the supplements, are those the only two recommended, or is there something else? And do you guys mix that in the dry food, or in their wet food? Luckily, we rarely ever have guests, and rarely leave for more than a couple of days at a time (and my sister is here with them when we leave, with whom they are very familiar, she has been living here on and off). They did not vaccinate the cat they knew had tested positive, but vaccinated Poppy because they ran out of ELISA tests and had to send in an IFA test with her along with Grizzabella's. I'm not comfortable with this vet office treating them, so that's why I'm going in the morning to get them to refer them to University of Tennessee School of Veterinary Medicine. I looked up the hospital tonight, quite impressive...they have 10 exam rooms, 7000 dogs/cats a year, an intensive care unit, specialists in every field you can imagine, it looks very promising: http://www.vet.utk.edu/ The vet's office bothered me because they didn't even recommend an IFA test to verify her positive ELISA test. They just said she had it, period. That didn't sit well with me. I feel very personally responsible for them getting sick and I'm taking this very hard. But all I can do now is make sure they have the absolute best care possible. Ok, to summarize, here's what I need input on from you guys: 1. Fancy Feast Elegant Medleys...1/3 of a can morning and night...is this ok? 2. Dry food...brand recommendations 3. Supplements...any recommendations other than lysine and echinacea, and do you put it in wet or dry food? 4. Treatment options? Do you use the ImmunoRegulin Or Interferon Alpha in healthy cats, or is that treatment options you use when they're symptomatic? Thanks for all the support to everyone and all the emails I've received. It really helps me to feel like I have some sense of control over the situation, and I'm not just completely helpless. Michael Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: To Michael Re: Update
Just so you know some of the better food stores (Whole Foods (?), Rainbow Blossom, etc) that cater to people into organic foods etc carry EVO and some vets do. I think you can get it over the internet also. It is great dry (I'm not trilled with the canned but that is my cat). Primal Raw is wonderful too(cubes that are frozen---thaw them without the muss and fuss and they are balanced and about the price of FF and some other foods). You can add ground veggies and, at least Dixie, thinks it is wonderful. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:44 PM Subject: Re: To Michael Re: Update Hi Michael, First, please do not blame yourself. You have enough to deal w/ without stressing yourself out further. You did not create this disease, nor did you knowingly give it to your cats. Ok, questions.(You will get alot of responses, but do what you feel is right for you). Elegant Medleys is fine, and 1/3 of a can is fine too, BID (twice per day). My felv+cats eat this and they like it. I put the Lysine in their moist food in the morning along w/the Missing Link. Same thing @ night. You can get Missing Link w/o a prescription,but if you get the ProfessionalStrength formula, it has a detox factor, but it comesform the vet. L-Lysine should be about 500mg per day. My vet always recommends breaking up any meds, supplements to twice per day, as opposed to once perday,therefore the body has a more constant supply, make since? Dry foods, I use Innova Evo (bronze bag, specialty pet food stores only) and Wellness Core mixed (white bag w/bronze lettering,pet foods specialty store). Follow Wendy's guidelines that were posted for introducing the new food to them (gradual). I would only use interferon if they start to become ill, but that is just me. I use the Lysine to boost their immune system,then break out the big gun interferon,if they start showing signs of illness. Others on the list use it more frequently, it is a preference, tho. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:23 PM Subject: Re: To Michael Re: Update Thanks for the info. I'll definitely look into better foods. Do you all think its ok to mix in their morning and nightly Fancy Feast Elegant Medleys? There are three of them, and they share a can each morning and each night, so they average only 1/3 of a can at a time, but its something they have come to expect. I guess I'm wondering if there's something wrong with giving that to them. They've been on the Purina Naturals dry food, but I'm going to switch over to something with no grains and high proteins. I'm going to look for the Innova Evo, but I don't recall ever seeing it. I'll be sure to look for something with no grains tomorrow. As for the nutritional supplement recommendation, I've already gotten Lysine and Echinacea, but haven't been able to get them to eat it yet. I'm hoping they will when they're feeling better. They did eat tonight, so that makes me feel better now that I've seen them eating. As for the supplements, are those the only two recommended, or is there something else? And do you guys mix that in the dry food, or in their wet food? Luckily, we rarely ever have guests, and rarely leave for more than a couple of days at a time (and my sister is here with them when we leave, with whom they are very familiar, she has been living here on and off). They did not vaccinate the cat they knew had tested positive, but vaccinated Poppy because they ran out of ELISA tests and had to send in an IFA test with her along with Grizzabella's. I'm not comfortable with this vet office treating them, so that's why I'm going in the morning to get them to refer them to University of Tennessee School of Veterinary Medicine. I looked up the hospital tonight, quite impressive...they have 10 exam rooms, 7000 dogs/cats a year, an intensive care unit, specialists in every field
Re: To Michael Re: Update
OK: here is what Dixie gets in addition to the Primal Raw (Wellness canned if things are really rough) + veggies + raw organic eggs 3-4 times a week. She gets Just Born with Colostrum (rural community, hard to get just Colostrum and she likes the Just Born); Transfer Factor; Lysine; various alternative/holistic remedies as needed + a large container of various cat grasses just because. A number of supplements get thrown in as her holistic/alternative vets recommend and other things as her regular vets recommend.The Colostrum is a major thing for me. I have elderly people friends who use it and the results are amazing. One broke a bone (sorry can't remember which) but her doctors were astounded at her recovery rate..she shouldn't have had anything near total recovery but did and at the rate of a very young person. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:23 PM Subject: Re: To Michael Re: Update Thanks for the info. I'll definitely look into better foods. Do you all think its ok to mix in their morning and nightly Fancy Feast Elegant Medleys? There are three of them, and they share a can each morning and each night, so they average only 1/3 of a can at a time, but its something they have come to expect. I guess I'm wondering if there's something wrong with giving that to them. They've been on the Purina Naturals dry food, but I'm going to switch over to something with no grains and high proteins. I'm going to look for the Innova Evo, but I don't recall ever seeing it. I'll be sure to look for something with no grains tomorrow. As for the nutritional supplement recommendation, I've already gotten Lysine and Echinacea, but haven't been able to get them to eat it yet. I'm hoping they will when they're feeling better. They did eat tonight, so that makes me feel better now that I've seen them eating. As for the supplements, are those the only two recommended, or is there something else? And do you guys mix that in the dry food, or in their wet food? Luckily, we rarely ever have guests, and rarely leave for more than a couple of days at a time (and my sister is here with them when we leave, with whom they are very familiar, she has been living here on and off). They did not vaccinate the cat they knew had tested positive, but vaccinated Poppy because they ran out of ELISA tests and had to send in an IFA test with her along with Grizzabella's. I'm not comfortable with this vet office treating them, so that's why I'm going in the morning to get them to refer them to University of Tennessee School of Veterinary Medicine. I looked up the hospital tonight, quite impressive...they have 10 exam rooms, 7000 dogs/cats a year, an intensive care unit, specialists in every field you can imagine, it looks very promising: http://www.vet.utk.edu/ The vet's office bothered me because they didn't even recommend an IFA test to verify her positive ELISA test. They just said she had it, period. That didn't sit well with me. I feel very personally responsible for them getting sick and I'm taking this very hard. But all I can do now is make sure they have the absolute best care possible. Ok, to summarize, here's what I need input on from you guys: 1. Fancy Feast Elegant Medleys...1/3 of a can morning and night...is this ok? 2. Dry food...brand recommendations 3. Supplements...any recommendations other than lysine and echinacea, and do you put it in wet or dry food? 4. Treatment options? Do you use the ImmunoRegulin Or Interferon Alpha in healthy cats, or is that treatment options you use when they're symptomatic? Thanks for all the support to everyone and all the emails I've received. It really helps me to feel like I have some sense of control over the situation, and I'm not just completely helpless. Michael -- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.
Re: Update
Michael, There is nothing I can say that has not been said. We all feel so badly for you and your family. I'm just so glad, that from the moment you got the first positive test, you were up for the fight. I'm just sitting back feeling so grateful there are such great , well informed people here, that are very up to date on the latest and best ways to deal with this disease. The day I was told by my vet, a couple months ago, that my cat's test came back positive, is the same day I found these guys. I was on the computer about 10-hours that day, trying to learn everything I could...looking for that little shred of hope...It is an awful feeling. I venture to guess, the way I found these guys, is the same way most of us found this group, that one horrible day, when the bottom fell out...but there is hope, in many different forms, as you are learning...Bless your heart! Your little guys are very lucky to have you in their corner! Glenda --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, guys, here's the status. I just called the vet's office, they told me both Poppy and Grizzabella's tests came back positive today. I guess what I need to do now is figure out what to do from here. I did ask about UT, and she just sort of side-stepped the question. I also asked what happened to Dr. Merryman, and the only thing she would tell me was She's not here anymore and I don't know what she's doing. So, needless to say, I think I'm done with this vet's office. I'm pretty sure I can get a referral to UT, so I guess that's the next step, both of them are headed there as soon as I can get the referrals. I tried the echinacea and lysine supplements, but none of them have felt well enough to eat since their vaccines yesterday, so I'll try it again when they're feeling better. If they don't take it. I'm a bit upset right now, so I'm gonna leave it at that guys, til I have a little time to calm down. I'm open to suggestions as to what I should do next. Michael ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Re: New to group; Questions
Hi Melody, The first thought that came to mind is if you can possibly take in two FeLV+'s, to keep one another company, since cats in general are supposed to be social creatures. It might help with their stress level, which is a good thing. If you do this, I would adopt two that already know one another and like one another. What a wonderful thing for you to do. The only thing you really need to do is keep the pos and neg's separate so there isn't any exposure. Make sure there isn't much space between the bottom of the door and the floor, where they might scratch one another playing or otherwise. From what we know, the virus cannot live long outside the host's body, maybe a few seconds or minutes. After handling positives or their litter or food/water bowls, get into the habit of washing your hands just in case, as the research is not conclusive as to how easily, or even how, it's transmitted. We do know it can be carried in saliva, but it doesn't always show up there. However, we've found here that it seems to be a very hard virus to pass. A lot of us, including me, believe it can only be transferred from mother to kitten or via deep bite wounds. And vaccinate your negatives. Keep us posted on what you decide to do and introduce your new furbabies to us when they come home! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Forgotten Souls [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:08:09 PM Subject: New to group; Questions Good evening, all! I'm new to this group, and came here in hopes I could get some feedback/advice on multicat homes with pos and neg cats. Specifically, I currently have neg cats, and am looking to assist a FeLeuk kitty. We have a nice size home, and have a large spare room that can be easily converted for a FeLeuk cat to be isolated from my neg guys. My major concerns really are what types of precautions will need to be taken to protect the neg cats from contracting it, and protecting the pos cat from any issues as well. I have been doing some extensive reading, and aside from common sense things (dedicated food dish, litterbox, etc, using bleach solutions to sanitize), what else should I be aware of to protect the cats from eachother? Pardon my questions if they come across as silly, I just want the best for these guys and don't want to place any undue harm on anys cats, or commit to something I can't do. How long does the virus actually survive in the environment? Is there anything I should be doing when going between the FeLeuk room and my cats to prevent transmission (change clothes, etc)? If any of you have a set up like this, can you give me specifics on how you are making it work? How contagious and easily does the virus actually transmit from an affected cat? I think this should cover my barrage of questions for now. Any feedback on what to do is greatly appreciated. Thanks, everyone! Melody Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222
Re: New to group; Questions
I agree. Throwing things away seems like overkill, plus if they were exposed, it has already happened. I think a lot of times vets say things like to CYA. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 4:31:34 PM Subject: Re: New to group; Questions I agree, but do what you are commfortable with doing. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: Re: New to group; Questions I would not throw all those things away. But of course it is up to you. It seems very silly to me, since Ripley, Sherman, and Boy have all been living together for..how long? to at this point start throwing things away. On 8/22/07, Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All! This is Ang. You helped me thru a very hard time on Tuesday with the passing of my kitty, Boy. I just read the message from Melody and I just wanted to share with everyone that my vet told me yesterday, when I had Ripley and Sherman to the vet, that clothes should be washed, hardwood floors should be bleached/scrubbed and all fabric should be washed. Couch and chair cushions should be washed by hand with hot water and disinfectant. I have also learned that food bowls, water bowls and litter boxes should be thrown out. They say that the virus can live outside the body for 3 hours, but I would rather be safe than sorry. Ang Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Melody! First, I want to say thanks so much for wanting to help a felv+cat, people who decide to bring one knowingly into their lives seem to be few far between. I have 5 now, and I also have many felv- cats, many of those are chronically ill w/other ailments or geriatric. Meaning, they already have compromised immune systems and I have to be very careful not to expose them to felv. So, I recommend 2 things, not allowing them to playunder the door w/each other (good to get a flap that can prevent this) and always wash your hands after handling your felv+ cat. It is a very delicate virus, so I do not believe you need to change your clothes after you spend time w/your felv+ cat. I don't change my clothes, but if I did I would have to do it several times per day. There are others on this list who might advise you to change your clothes, I don't know. Ask your vet for his /her opinion, also. This brings up another question, are you comfortable w/your vet's knowledge of felv..? Discoveries are being made quite frequently about this disease, so it is good to have a vet that is well informed and who keeps up w/all the new medical developments. I also recommend the standard immune boosters, L-Lysine, for sure, and I also use a product called Missing Link,but I get the Professional Strength formula, which is by prescription (vet). I also sprinkle Nutritional Yeast onto my cats' dry food, which is loaded w/B vitamins. These above products are also good for your felv- cats also, it wouldn't hurt them that's for sure to have some supplements. I would invest in a high quality dry food, I use Innova Evo mixed w/Wellness Core only for my felv+ cats. My felv- cats get predominantly the above foods, but if I have a coupon or find a good sale on Nutro, Iams or Blue Buffalo I will mix a bit into their food bin to help stretch the kitty budget. They also like these brands, and they think they are getting a real treat when I mix them in... :) You are correct about dedicated food bowls, I always run mine through the dishwasher, which would kill any germs but my felv+ cats have their own bowls dishes regardless. Bedding should not be shared, either, just to be safe., and my felv+ have their own litterboxes also. (I use a different typeof box altogether for them, that way I know when I see them they are for felv+). Since my washer / dryer area is in my felv- cats' room, I never pull the laundry from the felv+suite and leave it anywhere my felv- can lay on it, just to be safe. It goes directly into the washer, and I use an environmentally friendly detergent (7th Generation) but I do use bleach. I hear that 7th Generation also has a bleach product, but I have yet to find time to hunt it down.. :) My cats also have the
Re: To Michael Re: Update
Michael You and your kitties are very fortunate to have found this list, so consider that a very good omen. We are all using a variety of supplements, and you will get many different recommendations, the trick is to get the ones that you can get them to eat. l-lycine is tasteless. You should be able to sprinkle a half capsule (500mg) on their dry food. I try to blend it in very well, and my ultra finicky cat has not detected it. If she sees me sprinkle anything on her food she will not touch it, so I prepare everything under cover. My vet recommended an immune booster called Maitake-DMG. It is a liquid and we give it to her in a dropper 2x each day. My vet (who practices both allopathic and homeopathic medicine) recommended a pro-biotic called FortiFlora as an immune booster. My cat is a Fancy Feast addict and she eats the FortiFlora with relish. It is a powder and I mix it in her wet food. I have discovered that it is very difficult to introduce quality foods to a junk food addict. You have to do it slowly and little bits at a time. I have concentrated on making sure that she gets the supplements, as I am still working on weaning her from junk. She was addicted to FF when we got her. There are people here with great experience. You will get good advice and then determine what works for your guys. I can imagine how shell shocked you must be. I can identify completely. Remember the good news is that they are not symptomatic. Jane On Aug 22, 2007, at 9:53 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi Michael, I don't know the food stores in Tennessee. I buy my good food at a local pet store. Petco, Petsmart, etc do not carry it. You can get any food from www.petfooddirect.com Yes, please do not blame yourself. I know we do that - I was blaming myself yesterday when I had to have a kitty PTS that had aggressive, incurable, untreatable cancer of the mouth. You did not cause this, you can't cure it (you can help the kitty's immune system and keep them in the best possible shape to cure it themselves, but you can't *cure* it, and you can't control it. You really, really need a vet who is a partner. I am fortunate to have one who never tells me to PTS too early or too late. There are some bad vets out there but fortunately there are some very good ones. I had a kitten who tested light pos last year. The first thing my vet told me was to wait 6 months, then retest. That is standard and anyone who is not telling you that is suspect. (There is hope, my girl tested neg on the retest, so did the rest of the litter). I think it is fine for kitties to have a treat, just like people.:) On 8/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the info. I'll definitely look into better foods. Do you all think its ok to mix in their morning and nightly Fancy Feast Elegant Medleys? There are three of them, and they share a can each morning and each night, so they average only 1/3 of a can at a time, but its something they have come to expect. I guess I'm wondering if there's something wrong with giving that to them. They've been on the Purina Naturals dry food, but I'm going to switch over to something with no grains and high proteins. I'm going to look for the Innova Evo, but I don't recall ever seeing it. I'll be sure to look for something with no grains tomorrow. As for the nutritional supplement recommendation, I've already gotten Lysine and Echinacea, but haven't been able to get them to eat it yet. I'm hoping they will when they're feeling better. They did eat tonight, so that makes me feel better now that I've seen them eating. As for the supplements, are those the only two recommended, or is there something else? And do you guys mix that in the dry food, or in their wet food? Luckily, we rarely ever have guests, and rarely leave for more than a couple of days at a time (and my sister is here with them when we leave, with whom they are very familiar, she has been living here on and off). They did not vaccinate the cat they knew had tested positive, but vaccinated Poppy because they ran out of ELISA tests and had to send in an IFA test with her along with Grizzabella's. I'm not comfortable with this vet office treating them, so that's why I'm going in the morning to get them to refer them to University of Tennessee School of Veterinary Medicine. I looked up the hospital tonight, quite impressive...they have 10 exam rooms, 7000 dogs/cats a year, an intensive care unit, specialists in every field you can imagine, it looks very promising: http://www.vet.utk.edu/ The vet's office bothered me because they didn't even recommend an IFA test to verify her positive ELISA test. They just said she had it, period. That didn't sit well with me. I feel very personally responsible for them getting sick and I'm taking this very hard. But all I can do now is make sure they have the
Re: New to group; Questions
They are like people doctors..there are certain things they have to say/do then, if you corner them/ask them what they would do etc you get another story. They are bound to do/recommend things that, theoretically, are in the best interest of the patient. When asked what they would do and to consider quality of life the answers may be different. I am going thru some of this with my mother and the textbook answers are different from the real life answers. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 9:23 PM Subject: Re: New to group; Questions I agree. Throwing things away seems like overkill, plus if they were exposed, it has already happened. I think a lot of times vets say things like to CYA. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 4:31:34 PM Subject: Re: New to group; Questions I agree, but do what you are commfortable with doing. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: Re: New to group; Questions I would not throw all those things away. But of course it is up to you. It seems very silly to me, since Ripley, Sherman, and Boy have all been living together for..how long? to at this point start throwing things away. On 8/22/07, Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All! This is Ang. You helped me thru a very hard time on Tuesday with the passing of my kitty, Boy. I just read the message from Melody and I just wanted to share with everyone that my vet told me yesterday, when I had Ripley and Sherman to the vet, that clothes should be washed, hardwood floors should be bleached/scrubbed and all fabric should be washed. Couch and chair cushions should be washed by hand with hot water and disinfectant. I have also learned that food bowls, water bowls and litter boxes should be thrown out. They say that the virus can live outside the body for 3 hours, but I would rather be safe than sorry. Ang Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Melody! First, I want to say thanks so much for wanting to help a felv+cat, people who decide to bring one knowingly into their lives seem to be few far between. I have 5 now, and I also have many felv- cats, many of those are chronically ill w/other ailments or geriatric. Meaning, they already have compromised immune systems and I have to be very careful not to expose them to felv. So, I recommend 2 things, not allowing them to playunder the door w/each other (good to get a flap that can prevent this) and always wash your hands after handling your felv+ cat. It is a very delicate virus, so I do not believe you need to change your clothes after you spend time w/your felv+ cat. I don't change my clothes, but if I did I would have to do it several times per day. There are others on this list who might advise you to change your clothes, I don't know. Ask your vet for his /her opinion, also. This brings up another question, are you comfortable w/your vet's knowledge of felv..? Discoveries are being made quite frequently about this disease, so it is good to have a vet that is well informed and who keeps up w/all the new medical developments. I also recommend the standard immune boosters, L-Lysine, for sure, and I also use a product called Missing Link,but I get the Professional Strength formula, which is by prescription (vet). I also sprinkle Nutritional Yeast onto my cats' dry food, which is loaded w/B vitamins. These above products are also good for your felv- cats also, it wouldn't hurt them that's for sure to have some supplements. I would invest in a high quality dry food, I use Innova Evo mixed w/Wellness Core only for my felv+ cats. My felv- cats get predominantly the above foods, but if I have a coupon or find a good sale on Nutro, Iams or Blue Buffalo I will mix a bit
Re: T-cyte.....?
The only thing I could find is it is a t cell immunomodulator. It is given by injection SQ weekly for 4 weeks the monthly. Sally On 8/22/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, a couple of days ago I posted that my vet was using this drug on his felv+cats to boost their immune systems. During the next phase of the research, he said I could have my cats on it @ no charge. has anyone heard of it? Thanks! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/ www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/ www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and Spike Visit my BB for some pictures post your as well. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: OT - HELP - Bengal Cat Rescue
HELP = ANYBODY out there? - does anyboyd know anything about Bengal Cat rescues in the central USA? Thanks, Gloria At 03:32 PM 8/22/2007, Gloria B. Lane wrote: I know someone here in Little Rock who has a Bengal cat that we're looking for a home or rescue for. Does anyone know anything about the Bengal cat rescues - like in Missouri or Minnesota or wherever? Thanks, Gloria in Arkansas
Re: OT - Bengal Cat Rescue
In a message dated 8/22/2007 2:58:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Tator Bunz writes: Here is the listings for Bengal Rescue Network _http://www.geocities.com/bengalrescue/regions.html_ (http://www.geocities.com/bengalrescue/regions.html) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) In a message dated 8/22/2007 1:33:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know someone here in Little Rock who has a Bengal cat that we're looking for a home or rescue for. Does anyone know anything about the Bengal cat rescues - like in Missouri or Minnesota or wherever? Thanks, Gloria in Arkansas Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: OT - HELP - Bengal Cat Rescue
HELP = ANYBODY out there? - does anyboyd know anything about Bengal Cat rescues in the central USA? Thanks, Gloria At 03:32 PM 8/22/2007, Gloria B. Lane wrote: I know someone here in Little Rock who has a Bengal cat that we're looking for a home or rescue for. Does anyone know anything about the Bengal cat rescues - like in Missouri or Minnesota or wherever? Thanks, Gloria in Arkansas
Re: New to group; Questions
Evening, all! I'd first like to thank everyone for the wonderful information provided - it's been incredibly helpful! Oddly enough, as this is mentioned, when I showed interest in the possibility of assisting this little guy, I was told of one other who was in a similar position - FeLV pos purebred white persian. The first one is a 5 month old kitten who had recently gone through neutering and jaw surgery, only to be tested and come up pos. I felt particularly soft to the fact that he had gone through so much, and to have this guy euthanized after everything he's going through, especially after a successful surgery at that, it broke my heart. I've worked with seniors and special needs cats for quite a few years, and since moving into our newer home, have been blessed with some extra space. The doror is pretty flush with the ground, but I will definitely make a point of ensuring no one plays 'paw games' or 'paw hockey' with eachother; LOL! The only concern I really have is in moving from one room to the other, I have a couple of cats who can't stand to see a closed door, and love to try to dart through the doors when they open (meaning a closed bedroom door, or what-have-you; all of our guys are indoor only), and I'd be a bit concerned about one of those guys getting curious and attempting to dart into the 'FeLeuk' room. Based on what I'm reading, I should be ok, provided I snatch the curious kitty and get him out promptly, correct? Without sounding too silly or paranoid, should I take a wet cloth in such a situation and just give the kitty a quick wipe off? Again, thank you so much everyone for all of the wonderful feedback. If all goes well, we should be meeting our pair on Labor Day weekend. I'm still open to any other advice anyone has as well. And in reference to diet, we feed either Nutro diets or Evo/Core (for the 'really special' guys) and on holidays (Turkey Day and Christmas, as well as Easter), let's just say we usually get two turkeys and one doesn't go to us; LOL! We shred up the meat after cooking it and give the kitties a much deserved treat (and a much deserved rest when they all fall asleep after their fill of turkey!) Thanks again, everyone! Looking forward to sharing our newcomers with everyone!
RE: OT: Success with Rescue Cat
Happy Dance for Nosey--bet that little one is going to be one happy little girl and that her mom is going to give her a good talking to about wandering off! And good for you for saving this little girl's life and getting her home! Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of glenda Goodman Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: Success with Rescue Cat Absolutely amazing! How absolutely cool! This is one lucky cat to have gotten so much help! I loved this story...Glenda --- Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Okay, since there's been lots of debate and dare I say, controversy, over the Malnourished Rescue Cat my mom and I took in and have been caring for, I wanted everyone to know that she is GOING HOME and we have successfully reunited her with her family. Long story short, we pretty much took EVERYONE'S advice and tried a variety of tactics (as I previously mentioned-- signs posted, I posted on websites, etc.). As I had mentioned, from the Rabies tag, all we were able to obtain is the telephone number and street name (not number) of the owner and the name of the cat- Nosey. My mom and I pretty much sat on it for a while since by then, we'd already taken her to the Vet and started her on Clavamox and she needed so much rehabilitation anyway. We tried to decide what to do and we just hated the idea of totally cold call to this number...not knowing ANYTHING about the person and whether they were a good owner. We are almost finished with the Clavamox and have finished one tube of Terramycin and Nosey is still exhibiting Upper Respiratory Infection symptoms, thus my mom said we have to either: 1) take her back to the vet this week, as needs more care, or 2) call the owners and make sure they take her to the vet. Since I had the owner phone number, I FINALLY remembered that the Whitepages.com has this handy tab where you can do a reverse look-up- using the phone number...it will give you a name and address. Bingo! I got the street address we'd been wanting, which also provided me with the NAMES of the two people living there So, then I of course googled their names...and low and behold, one of them is a Partner at a law firm here and of course, my mouth dropped open (I am a lawyer too- and although this is a big city, it's a SMALL legal community), thus I knew I had to contact her at that point. I also knew she could definitely afford the vet bill Nosey incurred (they live on very rich street- I know that sounds weird, but the property value of the houses on that street is ridiculous). Anyway, I feel like the ultimate pet detective, seriously. Sometimes I think all I need in life is google and the white or yellowpages.com!!! My mom and I discussed it and I decided to send her an email at her firm's email address from my work email, so she would know where I work and that I am an attorney too. I took the initial vague route first (as was discussed on this list serve)...to feel her out, etc. She replied and said it's their cat and they looked for her for weeks and weeks, but didn't check online sites (which she apologized for) and asked when they could come get her. After another consult with my mom, my mom wanted me to send her another email where I socked it to her with the malnutrition, that she would have died if we hadn't taken her in, she went to the vet and this and that was done and the bill is this amount, we've been feeding her this that, she needs to go back to the vet because the URI is still lingering, I advise she go back and get this treatment (a full blood panel to check liver/kidney function, fecal for tapeworms, etc.). AND then I asked if she was outdoor/indoor cat and said if so, I recommend she NOT be an outdoor cat because she does not fair well outside, she has this URI that won't go away, and she's deathly afraid of storms and if she is out when one comes, she will run and hide. WHEW! All that. I also apologized for hitting her with all this at once and at work and admitted that I wanted to feel her out initially before I admitted that we had the cat in our house and have done intensive care/rehabbing. She responded really well!!! She gave me info about Nosey's background- they've had Nosey since birth and she lives with her Mother and Brother cats. They are mostly outside cats because they live on a large piece of property with a covered porch. She said the cats seldom go beyond the immediate neighbors (who love them), but the mother cat became an indoor cat a few years ago when she developed a URI!!! So, hopefully, now that poor Nosey has one that she can't seem to shake, they will make her an indoor cat now (which
Susan and cats still looking for a home!!!
I am sure all of you now know of the fire that destroyed the home of Susan, who has always been of great help and support to all of usalways. Many of the cats are in others place,, i have 3 of the ferals here with me, but she is in a one bedroom apartment with about 10 cats and is trying desperately to find a house to rent.. Preferably in the Vallejo or Oakland area of the San Francisco bay She is comfortable going up to about 2,000 per month,,,has a great income and great rental history as she was in her other home for 6 years until the electrical fire that started in the basement destroyed the home. she does not have good internet access as yet so she has asked me to post and to give permission to cross post to anyone that might have a rental available for her,, her email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] and her cell phone is (415) 238-8057 Please pass this on to everyone and anyone you may think of, thanks so much Kelly Lane
Re: T-cyte.....?
Sub Q...? H, that means loading up 5cats and driving them 70 miles round trip for each treatment. Not sure that might stress them out as much as it helps. Unless he lets me give them the injections @ home. Not intravenous, but sub q. Thanks Sally! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 9:50 PM Subject: Re: T-cyte.? The only thing I could find is it is a t cell immunomodulator. It is given by injection SQ weekly for 4 weeks the monthly. Sally On 8/22/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, a couple of days ago I posted that my vet was using this drug on his felv+cats to boost their immune systems. During the next phase of the research, he said I could have my cats on it @ no charge. has anyone heard of it? Thanks! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and Spike Visit my BB for some pictures post your as well. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: OT - HELP - Bengal Cat Rescue
We are looking for one in Texas, we have 2 purebreds @ our local kill pound that were dumped due to moving, w/the clock ticking. Both 7 yrs. I will let you know if we get a hold of them. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:16 PM Subject: Re: OT - HELP - Bengal Cat Rescue HELP = ANYBODY out there? - does anyboyd know anything about Bengal Cat rescues in the central USA? Thanks, Gloria At 03:32 PM 8/22/2007, Gloria B. Lane wrote: I know someone here in Little Rock who has a Bengal cat that we're looking for a home or rescue for. Does anyone know anything about the Bengal cat rescues - like in Missouri or Minnesota or wherever? Thanks, Gloria in Arkansas
Re: New to group; Questions
Ahhh, that's so nice... :) As for wiping off kitty that runs into the felv+room, I wouldn't, just be quick to snatch the little bugger tho! Everything always looks greener on the other side of the door.. Thnaks for sharing your story, good luck please keep us posted! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Forgotten Souls To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 11:08 PM Subject: Re: New to group; Questions Evening, all! I'd first like to thank everyone for the wonderful information provided - it's been incredibly helpful! Oddly enough, as this is mentioned, when I showed interest in the possibility of assisting this little guy, I was told of one other who was in a similar position - FeLV pos purebred white persian. The first one is a 5 month old kitten who had recently gone through neutering and jaw surgery, only to be tested and come up pos. I felt particularly soft to the fact that he had gone through so much, and to have this guy euthanized after everything he's going through, especially after a successful surgery at that, it broke my heart. I've worked with seniors and special needs cats for quite a few years, and since moving into our newer home, have been blessed with some extra space. The doror is pretty flush with the ground, but I will definitely make a point of ensuring no one plays 'paw games' or 'paw hockey' with eachother; LOL! The only concern I really have is in moving from one room to the other, I have a couple of cats who can't stand to see a closed door, and love to try to dart through the doors when they open (meaning a closed bedroom door, or what-have-you; all of our guys are indoor only), and I'd be a bit concerned about one of those guys getting curious and attempting to dart into the 'FeLeuk' room. Based on what I'm reading, I should be ok, provided I snatch the curious kitty and get him out promptly, correct? Without sounding too silly or paranoid, should I take a wet cloth in such a situation and just give the kitty a quick wipe off? Again, thank you so much everyone for all of the wonderful feedback. If all goes well, we should be meeting our pair on Labor Day weekend. I'm still open to any other advice anyone has as well. And in reference to diet, we feed either Nutro diets or Evo/Core (for the 'really special' guys) and on holidays (Turkey Day and Christmas, as well as Easter), let's just say we usually get two turkeys and one doesn't go to us; LOL! We shred up the meat after cooking it and give the kitties a much deserved treat (and a much deserved rest when they all fall asleep after their fill of turkey!) Thanks again, everyone! Looking forward to sharing our newcomers with everyone!
Update
Micheal, I have heard that the UT facility is excellent. And I heard this from my vet, who is excellent also. I had a client that was moving to Memphis and he had a dog that was going thru chemo. Dr. Smith said he highly recommended UT. (University of Tennessee). I hope this makes you feel a bit better. That they have a good rep. down here (Austin). (When I see or heard the letters UT, tho, I automatically think of University of Texas, of course.. :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 5:10 PM Subject: Re: Update Let me try this again UT is the University of Tennessee Medical Center. They have a Veterinary program there, its a teaching school. I think an internal medicine specialist is the next step, if I can get my doc to refer me. -- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.
OT: Just a Dog...?
Has anyone read this? Came out last year. Just a Dog: Understanding Animal Cruelty and Ourselves (Animals, Culture, and Society) - Arnold Arluke; Paperback Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
