Re: [Felvtalk] Bear's pcv dropping again
Thinking of you and Bear, Michelle, and praying for the little sweetie's recovery. Big hugs, Kerry On Friday, December 27, 2013 7:47 AM, "lernermiche...@aol.com" wrote: Thank you all for your prayers. Bear actually stabilized for 2 days and things were looking up, they were talking about sending him home today, but now his pcv is dropping again and he's back to the level where they normally give a transfusion. His body seems to have adapted to lower oxygen levels so they are waiting because this might actually be a reaction to the last transfusions. The strong medication he's on (cyclosporine) can take 5-7 days to work, and he's only gotten it 3 days so far, so the hope is to keep him going until that can kick in. But there is no guarantee it will work even when it does. Please keep him in your prayers/thoughts. Michelle ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear
Hi Michelle Sending healing thoughts for your little Bear and praying that the transfusions work. Lots of love and hugs to you both. Kerry On Wednesday, December 25, 2013 7:51 AM, "lernermiche...@aol.com" wrote: Thanks to everyone for prayers. He needed 2 transfusions last night to raise his PCV enough-- the first one raised it only from 10 to 12 and he was still breathing labored, and the second raised it to 19. I am waiting to hear from the vet now regarding his pcv from this morning, 4 hours after the second transfusion, to learn how fast he is killing it off. Margo, his kidneys are not very compromised (they are a little from lack of oxygen from the severe anemia yesterday) so I don't think the erytropoetin is the problem. The main problem is he is killing the red blood cells off and doing it so quickly that it's impossible to tell at this point if he is able to regenerate new ones-- it looks like not but that happens if they kill them off at the bone marrow level, as they never make it out into the blood stream to show up on a test, so we need to stop the hemolysis to have any hope of figuring that out and helping him regenerate. It can apparently take up to 7 days to be able to tell. The crisis is in the killing off, and if we do not stop that nothing will help him. I am thinking that we added fuel to the fire and made this worse, me and my spouse, as we gave him an LTCI shot on Sunday in the hope it would help him regenerate red blood cells as it's supposed to help with severe red cell anemia. But LTCI works by stimulating the very thing that the immunosuppressives are now trying to stop, so I think we really screwed up by giving him that and probably accelerated the hemolysis. Kicking myself for that so much. I had asked the vet about giving it to him and she said she wouldn't just in case it had caused the original hemolysis, but she added that she really did not think it did and was being cautious, so when the anemia did not seem to be resolving and it looked like he wasn't regenerating my husband and I figured it was unlikely to hurt and gave it to him. But I think the problem is not causing the hemolysis initially, but that it may have accelerated it by stimulating the bone marrow that was already overstimulated in the wrong way. Ugh, a million times ugh. Anyway, waiting with baited breath to see if the treatments are working. If they do, he has a lot of other issues to deal with, so I think his long-term chances are very slim. But we just couldn't not treat, especially if this was caused by some kind of medication (they think it may have been his thyroid meds) and has a chance of being reversed. So my Christmas present this morning was a PCV of 19. Hopefully it was not just for Christmas morning and has not disappeared already. Thank you all for your prayers at this busy time of year, Michelle -Original Message- From: Margo To: felvtalk Sent: Wed, Dec 25, 2013 6:21 am Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear Michelle, I'm so sorry. > I will be thinking of Bear with all the good energies I can >muster. > Has erythropoietin (Epogen) been considered? It isn't always >appropriate, but can sometimes be a stop-gap until the actual treatment works. > Crossing fingers, toes paws and whiskers for a positive >turn=around. >All the best, Margo > >-Original Message- >From: lernermiche...@aol.com >Sent: Dec 24, 2013 7:15 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear > > >Turns out it does not look like FIP, looks like hemolytic anemia, where he is >killing off his own red blood cells, and the vet simply did not keep him on a >high enough dose of immune-suppressants so he crashed again. Now he is really >bad. I don't know what his chances are at this point, but I do not think they >are good, though the vets say he can turn around. He just got a transfusion >and they are starting him on cyclosporine, a stronger immune suppressant. And >doxycycline. > >Please send him prayers. He is FIV+, not FeLV+, though he has had as many >issues as my FeLV cats did. I got back on this list looking for feline >interferon, which I don't need, but one thing I know this list is good for is >prayers. Please pray it's a good Christmas for Bear and he responds well to >the transfusion and the cyclosporine. > >thank you, >Michelle > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] MaryChristine
Hi Gloria Please pass on my very best wishes to MaryChristine for her full and speedy recovery. Glad to hear she's doing well. Kerry From: Gloria B. Lane To: Feline Leukemia Sent: Sat, March 12, 2011 1:18:37 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] MaryChristine Just fyi, for those who know MaryChristine - she had heart bypass surgery on Monday, over yonder in New York State. The update from a friend of hers says that she's out of intensive care, now in a regular room, and doing well. Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Good news
Hi Tracey..yes, agree, I asked the rescue group organizer if she was going to speak to lab and vet. I'll be following up with her. Kerry From: Tracey Shrout To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, December 26, 2010 5:51:00 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Good news That is wonderful Kerry! I hope you shared the results with the lab people and the vet...and I wonder what their reaction was...could save lots of kitties in the future. Thanks for sharing with us! Tracey On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Kerry MacKenzie wrote: > Dear all > It's been a few years since I last posted. Background: I found this > amazing, > wonderful, kind, supportive, and knowledgeable group--it remains my best > Internet experience--after discovering that 5 members of a feral colony of > 4 > kittens and 2 adults that I took in in 2003 had tested positive for a > disease > called feline leukemia. (1 of the adults, Momcat, was negative. I should > say, we > didn't know if she was really the mother--I just gave her the name as she > was > the only adult female in the group. I saw no reason to separate her as > she'd > already been exposed, plus she was the most stressed/timid of all of them.) > Re-testing a few months later showed no change--5 pos, 1 neg. > Within 2 years, 3 of the kittens and the positive adult succumbed to the > disease, 2 on the same day. > A few months later I re-tested again. This time, both remaining cats, > Momcat and > Mickey, tested negative. Hi-fiving all round! They're now 8 and 7, > respectively. > Still resolutely feral, but healthy! > Fast forward to September this year when I began fostering Sally, a 5-week > calico that had tested positive on both ELISA and IFA. The rescue group > said > they would re-test in 3 months. > The lab people said: "Why bother? Nothing you do is going to change the > result." > One of the vets at the clinic said the same thing: re-testing is pointless. > The rescue group disregarded the "advice" and earlier this month I took her > for > a 2nd round of ELISA and IFA. Result: both negative! > Just wanted to share--I figure we can always use good news. > I will also say--and it's very much my decision, based on my personal > experience > with healthy adult Momcat (above), who lived alongside 5 positives but > remained > neg--this is the 2nd time I've fostered a pos kitten--Daisy remained > positive > and found a great forever home where she has a pos boyfriend too--and both > times > I've mixed them freely with my healthy, adult cats. As I say, my personal > decision. I would not say anyone else should do the same thing. > > Sending good wishes to all of you who do so much and for all the kitties in > your > care. > love and hugs and happy holidays. > Kerry M., mom to Flavia, Caramel, Levi, Snoball--all of whom gave me so > much in > their all-too-short lives, and are now immortalized thanks to Belinda and > the > Candlelight Service--Mickey, Momcat, Katyis, Trixie and Tiger, and foster > mom to > Sally. > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Good news
Dear all It's been a few years since I last posted. Background: I found this amazing, wonderful, kind, supportive, and knowledgeable group--it remains my best Internet experience--after discovering that 5 members of a feral colony of 4 kittens and 2 adults that I took in in 2003 had tested positive for a disease called feline leukemia. (1 of the adults, Momcat, was negative. I should say, we didn't know if she was really the mother--I just gave her the name as she was the only adult female in the group. I saw no reason to separate her as she'd already been exposed, plus she was the most stressed/timid of all of them.) Re-testing a few months later showed no change--5 pos, 1 neg. Within 2 years, 3 of the kittens and the positive adult succumbed to the disease, 2 on the same day. A few months later I re-tested again. This time, both remaining cats, Momcat and Mickey, tested negative. Hi-fiving all round! They're now 8 and 7, respectively. Still resolutely feral, but healthy! Fast forward to September this year when I began fostering Sally, a 5-week calico that had tested positive on both ELISA and IFA. The rescue group said they would re-test in 3 months. The lab people said: "Why bother? Nothing you do is going to change the result." One of the vets at the clinic said the same thing: re-testing is pointless. The rescue group disregarded the "advice" and earlier this month I took her for a 2nd round of ELISA and IFA. Result: both negative! Just wanted to share--I figure we can always use good news. I will also say--and it's very much my decision, based on my personal experience with healthy adult Momcat (above), who lived alongside 5 positives but remained neg--this is the 2nd time I've fostered a pos kitten--Daisy remained positive and found a great forever home where she has a pos boyfriend too--and both times I've mixed them freely with my healthy, adult cats. As I say, my personal decision. I would not say anyone else should do the same thing. Sending good wishes to all of you who do so much and for all the kitties in your care. love and hugs and happy holidays. Kerry M., mom to Flavia, Caramel, Levi, Snoball--all of whom gave me so much in their all-too-short lives, and are now immortalized thanks to Belinda and the Candlelight Service--Mickey, Momcat, Katyis, Trixie and Tiger, and foster mom to Sally. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lyttle Guy passed away
James, I am so sorry. I'm glad he knew what it was to be loved, and so dearly, and was in your arms until the end. Know you're in my thoughts at this very sad time, hugs, Kerry From: James G Wilson To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 4:37:03 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Lyttle Guy passed away Lyttle Guy passed away in my arms at 4:18am this morning. He had series of seizures and then gasped his last breath. He was truly loved and shall be dearly missed James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research & Support) http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (Weather for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] ~
Thanks so much for that encouragement Belinda! I'm passing on to Toni & Lea. Your Bailey was such a little trooper and survivor, ~Kerry From: Belinda Sauro To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, January 7, 2010 3:16:31 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Daisy Kerry Bailey's eyes did this off and on all his life, he lived to be 11 years old and it never effected him other than the appearance. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Daisy
Barb and Jenny, Thanks so much. Using different search words in the archives helped. ~~Kerry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Daisy
Thanks for this and your good wishes, Heather--I'll try an archive search using those words (uneven pupil size). I had never heard of spastic pupil syndrome either, until now. Your 15-year-old feral cat...what a trooper. I sure hope Daisy wins this one...she's only about 3. She has a lot of people rooting for her; let's hope it works. ~~Kerry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 4
I don't know about Nystagmus, Heather. It concerns my former little felv foster
kitten, Daisy, whose adoptive mom says the following: "I took Daisy to Roscoe
Village Animal Hospital on Saturday. She was due
for a check-up ... one of her pupils was not dilating.
They took the pressure in her eyes and both were on the high side, with
the one not dilating being quite high. I filled a prescription for eye
drops 2 x day. They recommend I take her to an ophthalmologists in
about a week to see if the drops are working and to see if there's a
better diagnosis for her pupil issue. Other than the pressure, there
aren't any other indicators (scratch, redness, etc) that explain her eye
issue. She is not behaving any differently."
The original rescuer is also involved, as she helps pay vet costs. It was she
who asked me for any advice I might have or could glean, as she saw from the
notes that one of the vets had mentioned the possibility of spastic pupil
syndrome.
She also would very much like to know if there's anything that would boost
Daisy's ("low normal") white blood cell count; and whether taking her off the
pred she's on would help her wbc or the eye issue. Re the pred, she has no ibd
symptoms (when I first fostered her she had bad digestive problems and it took
some months to get her over them, but we managed it).
I am wondering about IR--I got as far as ordering it once in 2004 for one of my
FeLV kitts who had nonregenerative anemia but she passed away the day it
arrived and I never got the chance to try it. I'm wondering if anyone has any
recent info on IR's efficacy for low white cell bc.
Any and all info much appreciated.
Kerry
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:06:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Kerry MacKenzie
Subject: [Felvtalk] spastic pupil syndrome
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Dear all, I wanted to ask if anyone has any experience of "spastic pupil
syndrome" in leukemia kitts and if you've heard of any treatment for it. Any
info would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Kerry M.
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:02:06 -0500
From: Heather
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Is this like Nystagmus, where their eyes move back and forth quickly?
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Kerry MacKenzie wrote:
> Dear all, I wanted to ask if anyone has any experience of "spastic pupil
> syndrome" in leukemia kitts and if you've heard of any treatment for it.
> Any info would be much appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Kerry M.
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[Felvtalk] spastic pupil syndrome
Dear all, I wanted to ask if anyone has any experience of "spastic pupil syndrome" in leukemia kitts and if you've heard of any treatment for it. Any info would be much appreciated. Thanks, Kerry M. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Emergency in Albuquerque--please cross-post
Hideyo Yamamoto, a former longstanding and incredibly hard-working member of the list, has today sent word of an emergency situation in Albuquerque, NM: a close friend of Hideyo's, and fellow cat rescuer, has passed away suddenly and tragically at age 50, leaving behind 150 cats she took care of that now need homes. I believe Hideyo and the rescue group this person worked with have been able to temporarily place 30 since yesterday, leaving approx 120 to place. The cats are in good health, but there are some semi-ferals. If you or anyone you know can help, please contact Hideyo directly: email: hideyo.yamam...@msn.com cell phone: 505-227-6293 If possible, she prefers that people contact her by cell phone as she's not able to check her computer often. Thanks very much. Kerry MacKenzie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mo Please add to the CLS :(
I'm sorry, Sherry. What an amazing little soul Mo sounds---your description of his antics is a vivid one. He will surely be sorely missed. hugs, Kerry From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 8:53:43 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Mo Please add to the CLS :( We lost our sweet three legged Mo(missing one) tonight.he was quite a character.I used to get a laugh when he would swat at the other Sids kids with his phantom leg and THEY would actually duck like he was going to hit them.He also would scratch at your foot to get your attention.He also would put his paw up on your back while you sat on the floor.He sure made it clear he wanted to be loved. :) Dr. Jen gave me the chance to go say my good byes today and he purred like a motor boat.He also gave me a quick kiss on my hand.We will miss you our beautiful black tripod boy. :( Sherry "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way" ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Remove me from email list
Duh---thank you Gloria! Kerry From: Gloria B. Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:06:48 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Remove me from email list Holly, go to the link at the bottom of any of the FELVtalk emails, click on it, and you can unsubscribe yourself. This generally a way to remove yourself or alter your subscription for most of the email lists I subscribe to. Best wishes, Gloria On Jul 13, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Holly Cohen wrote: > Please remove me. > > > > The 2nd request that I sent bounced back. > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Remove from email list
Holly, to unsubscribe you need to go to the email that arrives on the 1st of every month where you'll find the relevant link. I don't have my email any more otherwise I'd send you a copy. The info may be on the website too--I'm not sure. Someone else may also have it. Kerry From: Holly Cohen To: felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:38:11 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Remove from email list Please remove me from the email list. This is my second request. Kind regards, Holly Cohen ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Jack - please add to CLS
That's awful. Poor Jack. He's in a better place now. Wheelchair or no, your neighbor's behavior towards animals is horrible. If there were any justice she wouldn't be allowed near an animal. Kerry From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:40:57 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Jack - please add to CLS First, can I say how annoyed I am with the neighbors? I don't know if yall remember, but Jack was the neighbor's tomcat we got neutered that was pos/pos for FELV and FIV. I try so hard to be charitable with people, and am usually successful, and this person is in a wheelchair, but apparently they saw Jack out in the yard not moving (but still alive) and brought him in and put him on the back porch and he was there 3 days before he died. They didn't call me for assistance, or anything, I would have taken him to the vet and put it on our burgeoning credit card bill. Now they have new kittens which we will have to take to get altered also, or it won't get done...and she took a dog to the pound to be killed because he bit someone - now she wants an Irish Setter puppy..sigh. We have it in our code of ethics that people are animals too, and should be treated well..but sometimes it is just hard. Anyway, please add Jack to the CLS...may he have a better life over the bridge than he did here, and may he forgive me for not doing anything to help him, I would have done so if I had known. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals "Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say "take them first as long as you leave me alone". ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Good news for a change from ME :)
Aw, thanksit *is* lovely to get the good news when it happens. So glad to hear Grace is doing so well! May she just get better and better! hugs, Kerry From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 8:16:17 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Good news for a change from ME :) I worked my shift at Sids tonight and our beautiful Grace was there and looking GREAT!!! She followed me around talking to me.I gave her MANY kisses from me and from all of YOU!! Thanks for the prayers. :) Lets hope our little tortie girl keeps feeling so good. Sherry "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way" ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] sad news
I'm so sorry Jaci. You did everything you could for BB. And you gave him the most precious thing of all, the knowledge he was truly loved and cherished. big hugs, Kerry From: "jastiff...@aol.com" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 10:10:44 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] sad news Hello everyone, I'm sad to say that I lost my BB todayhe was a brave boy who went as far as he could in this life.? I got to be there and hold him one last time as he went to sleep.? Thanks to everyone for their kindnessthere will always be a place in my heart, and a piece missing from my life for my sweet BB.? Thanks also for this forum and the information that you are trying to spread about this horrible disease.? Jaci -Original Message- From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 9:16 am Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Aspirin for cats. 1/4 baby aspirin every 3 days --- On Sat, 5/30/09, Lorrie wrote: From: Lorrie Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Aspirin for cats. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 9:41 AM Two different vets told me one whole baby aspirin (enteric coated) every 48 hours, for full grown cats, was the proper does. Lorrie On 05-29, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: > Jody, > > Did the vet say a whole baby aspirin?? On the internet I'm seeing > that the recommended dose is 1/4 of a baby aspirin every 3 or 4 > days, since cats' livers don't process aspirin very well.? It's not > common but not unheard of for a vet to prescribe aspirin, but > usually a mini-dose as described.? Is there an emergency vet where > you live that you can call to check whether the dose you gave Darcy > is okay?? I'm not trying to scare you (I know, probably too late > for that) but if another vet thinks the dose your vet said is okay, > then it probably is, but if it isn't you'll want to know that asap, > right? > > I would assume you have checked the incision site for inflammation?? > > Here are big vibes that Darcy feels better very soon without further > intervention.? Hugs to you. > > Diane R. > >? > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jody Butler > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 10:37 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Thoughts & Prayers Needed for Darcy > > Our sweet baby, Darcy, ten months old and FeLV+ was neutered on Tuesday.? We > brought her home Wednesday and she seemed okay, considering she'd just had > surgery. > ? > Yesterday she was in more pain, but we just figured the pain shot they'd > given that was supposed to be good for two days was wearing off. > ? > Today is even worse.? I called the vet this AM.? She suggested giving a baby > aspirin, which I did before going to work. > ? > Tonight, she barely lifts her head and is mewing so pitifully.? She a te some > earlier in the day but won't eat tonight.? I called the vet again, and she > had me give 1/8 of an antibiotic and we'll bring her in tomorrow morning > first thing.? We've had other FeLV kitties neutered with no troubles, but > I'm getting scared tonight. > ? > I just needed to share this tonight.? Any encouraging words or suggestions > are greatly appreciated! > ? > Jody (& Darcy) > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cherry Please add to the CLS :(
It's heartbreaking Sherry--I'm so sorry to hear about Cherry. She sounds a real sweetie. And at least she knew she was deeply and surely loved. big hugs, and a million thanks to Dr Jen for all she does. So hard. Kerry From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2009 6:31:48 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Cherry Please add to the CLS :( Jens words I sent her over the Rainbow Bridge with a kiss on the forehead and tears in my eyes; for her, for Dani, for Champ, for Adam and for tiger Lily. Those we have loved and lost. We lost our sweet one eyed Cherry.She was a loving lap cat who begged for your attention,and ALWAYS got it. It has been a tough week for us volunteers and Wondwerful Dr. Jen. "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way" ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Dani Please add to the CLS :(
I'm so sorry to hear your sweet little Dani and Patton lost the fight. Prayers to Cherry and Grace and all the sick Crash cats, Sherry. What a dreadful week for you and Dr Jen. So, so hard on you both. I'm glad the list is here for you, and everyone on it that has sick cats. Much love and big hugs, Kerry From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 8:33:12 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Dani Please add to the CLS :( Ok now this is just plain heartbreaking.I just found out tonight that sweet little Dani (Dani girl) lost to this disgusting disease.Ok so how much heartbreak are we supposed to take all at once?? Cherry and Grace are still foghting the good fight. Dani was a dainty sweet Tortie.She will be missed. Please keep Dr Jen in your prayers,she is especially having it rough.Not only is she battling the felvs right now but several Crash cats are too very ill.We lost a Crash cat too this week.Patton was a sweet big black boy.She is also trying to save a couple other Crash cats that are very ill.It is really adding up the medical bills.I am trying to think of some way to help out with some of them.She puts her heart soul and money into these wonderful animals.Thanks for your prayers.Sorry for all the sad news in the past week,I hope you dont kick me off the list. :( Sherry "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way" ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Darcy
Lorrie, Jody wrote on June 1: Thank you all for the words of support. Sweet Darcy went downhill so fast, becoming unable to walk. I drove to an emergency clinic where they did their best for her through the weekend. Yesterday we helped her to the Bridge, knowing there was just no more anyone could do. Her FeLv wouldn't let her fight off the ravages of whatever attacked her - probably a cancer that centered in her nervous system. We miss her dreadfully but know she had a good life with us, short though it was. She was much loved. Jody Help blind cats see a future! On 04/06/2009, at 3:24 PM, Lorrie wrote: Did anyone hear anything more about Darcy, the little female who was in such pain after her spay. PLEASE let us know how she is. I have been worried about her, but I may have missed a post from Jody letting us know how she is. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] To all who are grieving...
Thank you!Every day I learn something new. FYI, in UK, LOL means lots of love. Can lead to lots of confusion here :>) From: MaryChristine To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 3:51:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] To all who are grieving... Great Minds Think Alike On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Kerry MacKenzie wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] To all who are grieving...
what's GMTA?!. On 03/06/2009, at 3:13 PM, Debbie Harrison wrote: GMTA, my dear, that's why! Debbie (COL) "The time is always right to do what is right" - Martin Luther King Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:02:54 -0400 From: twelvehousec...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] To all who are grieving... why am i not surprised, old pal, old friend? 2009/6/3 Debbie Harrison : Mine will be something like "She loved cats...but tolerated people" Debbie (COL) "The time is always right to do what is right" - Martin Luther King Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:57:33 -0400 From: twelvehousec...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] To all who are grieving... thanks to emily and laurie for these posts; i have been thinking of my eventual obit, as i read all the wonderful things people put in the paper (i've moved back to my home town, and find myself not only reading the obits, but KNOWING the folks written about, scary.) i've decided i want mine to say something honest, like, "she was really a pain in the neck to those humans who didn't know her well, but has been joyously welcomed home by the thousands of cats whose lives she encountered." On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Elizabeth Paz wrote: Thank You for posting this Emily, it touched my heart. Liz. From: emilyofw...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:35:43 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] To all who are grieving... ...most gentle thoughts. It is the nature of a list like this that there is constant loss to deal with, and the fiftieth one is no easier than the first. But with each story, I am struck by the remarkable people here, who did not choose the easy way out and put a cat to sleep simply because he or she tested positive. There is a lot of grief here, but a lot of love as well. The kitties waiting for us all at the Bridge were blessed to find human families who saw the value in them despite the dread diagnosis. -Emily Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Create a cool, new character for your Windows Live™ Messenger. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9656621 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out! http://windowslive.com/explore? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out! http://windowslive.com/explore? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sudden passing?
I'm so sorry Susan. What a shock for you. I had this very discussion yesterday with a rescuer. We were commenting on how quickly and devastatingly our FeLV cats can succumb. One day they can seem ok, the next they're gone. In my experience I've had a few days' notice. But by that time the nonregenerative anemia was taking its toll, or the lungs were full of fluid, or there were masses of tumors. Cats as we know are very good at hiding pain. You said that looking back he may have seemed a bit lethargic. One thing that will happen now--I'm sure we all agree on this--you will become ultra-observant and notice every little change in behavior in any of your cats in future (it pretty well always means something is amiss, and is all we often have to go on). It was only after my very first FeLV cat passed that I realized his habit in the last few weeks of sitting with his back to everyone had with hindsight meant he wasn't feeling good (probably understatement). I consider it his legacy to the rest of us---I'm ever-vigilant now for any hint of behavior change. I would just make sure your remaining sweetie gets oodles of cuddles and attention now which I'm sure you're already doing. This is a tough time for him to be sure. Maybe consider a new FeLV companion for him in due course... Devastating though it is, your little sweetie at least had a peaceful passing. That's what I would wish for mine. Fast, and no vet visit involved. Give your little sweetie a cuddle from me, Kerry From: Susan Finkelstein To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 8:23:08 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Sudden passing? My FeLV+ 5-year-old (or so) kitty died suddenly over the weekend and I was wondering if anyone has had any similar experiences or heard of any with otherwise (seemingly) healthy leuk-positive cats. He seemed fine, thriving in fact: plump, nice coat, good appetite, good stool, active, affectionate. I found him curled up as if he were sleeping comfortably but he was gone. Thinking back, he may have seemed slightly lethargic for a day or two beforehand, but not enough to warrant any concern at the time on my part. Does anyone know if this happens -- a heart thing? Stroke? Needless to say, the only other FeLV+ cat in the household (they were sequestered together) seems kinda lost, and I am a bit worried that he will be affected physically. Thanks! Susan ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tigerlily Please add to the CLS :(
Oh, I'm so sorry, Sherry. Poor, brave Tigerlily. At least she was surrounded by love, and the tender care of your wonderful Dr Jen. Thank YOU for being there for all the little sweeties, Sherry From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 8:08:12 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Tigerlily Please add to the CLS :( I am so sorry to say that Tigerlily lost her battle yesterday.She had quickly deteriorated overnight.She was one of those cats that won you over right away.She had a way of talking to you with littlr ppss.This has been a rough week for us volunteers,but even rougher for Dr. Jen. Yesterday I forwarded a few of your kind words to her and it really made her feel good.She said she really needed it. So thank you all for being there. Sherry "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way" ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Darcy Is An Angel Now
I'm so sorry Jody. You gave her the most precious things of all, the knowledge she was truly loved, and release from her pain. Rest in peace, sweet Darcy. hugs, Kerry M. On 01/06/2009, at 2:32 PM, Jody Butler wrote: Thank you all for the words of support. Sweet Darcy went downhill so fast, becoming unable to walk. I drove to an emergency clinic where they did their best for her through the weekend. Yesterday we helped her to the Bridge, knowing there was just no more anyone could do. Her FeLv wouldn't let her fight off the ravages of whatever attacked her - probably a cancer that centered in her nervous system. We miss her dreadfully but know she had a good life with us, short though it was. She was much loved. Jody Help blind cats see a future! www.blindcatrescue.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tigerlily,Grace and Cherry update
Thanks for the update Sherry. Continuing to send prayers and healing thoughts to your sweet Tigerlily, Grace and Cherry. Wonderful that Tigerlily retested fiv - -- Dr Jen has a good gut instinct. Tell Dr Jen she is indeed awesome, hugs, Kerry M. On 30/05/2009, at 7:58 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: Well I spoke with Dr. Jen tonight and she said she was just about to let Tigerlily go when ger gut told her not to give up just yet.She also retested her and she is now fiv-. She had to put a feeding tube in and now just needs prayers. Grace is a rollercoaster,fevers up and down not eating well.But she is not giving up on her. Cherry is doing the best now,she is reponding pretty well to the meds but still not out of the water yet. So please keep them all in your prayers Jen included she is just SO drained,but she is AWESOME!! Thank you all; Sherry "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way" ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] assist-feeding: was re: Darcy
In my case, Flavia was so weak that she offered no resistance. I would just settle her on my lap with the (wet )cat food next to me, put a little dollop of food on my finger, open her mouth (clench each side of her jaw---a cat's mouth opens automatically when you do that) and then SMEAR the food on the ROOF of her mouth. It's a pretty certain way of getting the food to stay in the mouth--she'll then take it from there. Repeat until she has enough cals inside here. It can take a while! It's also good to do this when a cat has no smell, perhaps because of a--URI--- upper respiratory infection. No smell = no want food. When the food is put in the mouth it gives a chance for the taste sense to take over the job and get the appetite going. On 30/05/2009, at 11:47 AM, MaryChristine wrote: first you put the cat's bib on, the one from marta's cafepress site that says, "remember which one of us has the claws."--there's actually quite a good assist-feeding group, i'm told--someone, the link? belinda, you've done assist-feeding a lot, yes? it's DEFINITELY something anyone with a challenged cat should know how to do MC On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Sander, Sue wrote: How do you assist feed a cat? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 12:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thoughts & Prayers Needed for Darcy echoing kerry's thoughts, and everyone else's prayers--please let us know what the vet has to say--spaying is usually a simple, straight-forward procedure, but even when complications do arise, they usually can be overcome. GLOW for the little one! MC On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Kerry MacKenzie wrote: Sending prayers for sweet Darcy. The exact same thing happened with my FeLV Flavia and she recovered: She did so badly after her spay (the boys all did fine; it's the females that have it harder), that when i took her to the vet as an emergency I was totally distraught thinking she would have to be euthanized (a housecall vet who came the night before and gave her fluids had basically washed his hands of her in the morning when I called to tell him she was still not eating). My *new* vet showed me how to assist feed her--which made all the difference. So important to get those calories inside. I'm sure she gave her antibiotics too, maybe even more painkiller but i can't recall. She recovered beautifully. Please let us know how Darcy does. Darcy and her mom are in my thoughts. hugs, Kerry Our sweet baby, Darcy, ten months old and FeLV+ was neutered on Tuesday. We brought her home Wednesday and she seemed okay, considering she'd just had surgery. Yesterday she was in more pain, but we just figured the pain shot they'd given that was supposed to be good for two days was wearing off. Today is even worse. I called the vet this AM. She suggested giving a baby aspirin, which I did before going to work. Tonight, she barely lifts her head and is mewing so pitifully. She ate some earlier in the day but won't eat tonight. I called the vet again, and she had me give 1/8 of an antibiotic and we'll bring her in tomorrow morning first thing. We've had other FeLV kitties neutered with no troubles, but I'm getting scared tonight. I just needed to share this tonight. Any encouraging words or suggestions are greatly appreciated! Jody (& Darcy) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.or g ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thoughts & Prayers Needed for Darcy
Sending prayers for sweet Darcy. The exact same thing happened with my FeLV Flavia and she recovered: She did so badly after her spay (the boys all did fine; it's the females that have it harder), that when i took her to the vet as an emergency I was totally distraught thinking she would have to be euthanized (a housecall vet who came the night before and gave her fluids had basically washed his hands of her in the morning when I called to tell him she was still not eating). My *new* vet showed me how to assist feed her--which made all the difference. So important to get those calories inside. I'm sure she gave her antibiotics too, maybe even more painkiller but i can't recall. She recovered beautifully. Please let us know how Darcy does. Darcy and her mom are in my thoughts. hugs, Kerry Our sweet baby, Darcy, ten months old and FeLV+ was neutered on Tuesday. We brought her home Wednesday and she seemed okay, considering she'd just had surgery. Yesterday she was in more pain, but we just figured the pain shot they'd given that was supposed to be good for two days was wearing off. Today is even worse. I called the vet this AM. She suggested giving a baby aspirin, which I did before going to work. Tonight, she barely lifts her head and is mewing so pitifully. She ate some earlier in the day but won't eat tonight. I called the vet again, and she had me give 1/8 of an antibiotic and we'll bring her in tomorrow morning first thing. We've had other FeLV kitties neutered with no troubles, but I'm getting scared tonight. I just needed to share this tonight. Any encouraging words or suggestions are greatly appreciated! Jody (& Darcy) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tiger Lily,Adam,Cherry and Grace
Sending good thoughts and healing vibes for all your sick furbabes, Sherry. I'm glad that Grace is feeling a little better. love and hugs, Kerry From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:02:27 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Tiger Lily,Adam,Cherry and Grace Well I am asking for an overload of prayers and good thoughts from you wonderful people. Dr. Jen sent us a LONG e-mail about poor Champ and these other 4.TigerLily was fostered out to a volunteer and she still is just not doing well. Cherry our SWEET one eyed girl is in a bad way too.. ADAM,this is one of my boyfriends from Sids(yes I have many I know) Adam is a special boy I have been worried about him all week,I thought he was getting better but he is not.If he does not show a sign of improvement tomorrow she will have to let him go. Grace is actually the one out of all of them that just might make a recovery,still not quite out of the water but hopeful. Dr. Jen had a very emotionally draining day and my heart goes out to her.But then she has to come home and break all the bad new to us. :( So please think good thoughts for her too. THank you all Sherry "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way" ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Champ Please add to the CLS :(
I'm so sorry Sherry. Champ sounded a real champ, and a total sweetie too. It's just so terribly sad that you've lost him. You and Dr Jen are amazing. Your little sweeties had way better lives, short though they were, because of you. big hugs, Kerry From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:55:44 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Champ Please add to the CLS :( Well Gracie is still doing a bit better,But sweet Champ lost his battle today.He was a quiet shy gray and white boy.He never caused any trouble and was always happy.Thank you . Sherry "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way" ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Grace
Sending prayers for little Grace, Sherry. Dr Jen sounds such a compassionate and caring vet. hugs, Kerry M. From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:13:40 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Grace I am asking for prayers for sweet little Grace.I just recieved an e-mail that she is in very bad shape with a high fever and just not well.she was fune Monday when I was there,but we all know what horrible things can arise with FELV.I HATE this disease!! I have watch SO MANY beautiful babies die from this,my heart breaks EVRY time. Please keep her in your thoughts.I believe she is with Dr Jen tonight. Thank you Sherry "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way" ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Laura is gone
I'm so sorry, Laura, to hear your little Laura lost the battle. Sadly most of us on the list know the devastation of losing a little one to FeLV. I'm glad Laura at least was loved and cared for in her all too short life, right to the end. So many don't even have that. Please know you're in my thoughts. Big hugs, Kerry On 22/05/2009, at 8:27 AM, Laura B wrote: One week ago today I had to let Laura go, she was losing the fight. She had been acting "off" for about a month, we took her to see my vet and her labs were awful. We tried a course of Pred, and did get a small rally, but at the beginning of last week she started fading again, we could tell it was time. I miss her immensely, she was the sweetest girl, she would have been three on June 2. I really hate this disease, it robs our young kitties of life, and there is no hope. Hug your kitties, Human Laura ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pixie is a fluffy orange angel
Giselle, I am so sorry to hear you've lost your beloved Pixie. You must be devastated. Most of us on this list all too sadly have a good idea of what you are going through now. Please know that we share your sorrow and are crying with you. We on this list are like one big family and we all feel the loss of one of our babies to this dreadful disease. I'm glad that Pixie had such a wonderful mom and that she knew what it was to be loved and cared for, and glad too that she was able to wait until you arrived home despite the severity of her symptoms, and that you were able to find a gentle and sympathetic vet to help her pass. In my experience all of these make a big difference in dealing with the pain of the loss of our dear little fur babies. I hope the happy memories of sweet Pixie will eventually ease your sorrow. Big hugs, Kerry From: G D To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 11:43:21 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Pixie is a fluffy orange angel It is with profound sadness that I share that my sweet baby Pixie Katzenellenbogan passed away yesterday evening. She was euthanized by a gentle and sympathetic vet while I stroked and talked to her. I told her she was deeply loved. Yesterday I got second and third opinions from vets I felt were genuinely interested in Pixie (unlike the apathetic first vet) and it was terrible news all around (see the bloodwork analysis below). In the last two days she deteriorated quickly before my eyes despite the regimen of syringe-administered diluted wet food prescribed by the vet. Her breathing had become increasingly fast and shallow (a vet explained she was gasping for oxygen due to the anemia). She was crying out in pain, even while lying still, too weak to stand up or walk, and staring blankly. It was heartbreaking to see her suffering. Things she once enjoyed held no interest (favorite stinky foods, lying in a sunbeam, toys, going out in the yard, being brushed). I emailed the lab results from Pixie's bloodwork to a friend who's a vet in Canada and her analysis was: "There are a couple of things on her bloodwork that are alarming. First of all, she is very anemic (ie very low red blood cell count). In conjunction with what's going on with her high white blood cell count and platelets though, I'm less concerned about the anemia itself and more concerned about an actual leukemia (ie cancer). Her red blood cells and platelets are both very low which indicates that the bone marrow is likely diseased and not producing them properly. On top of that, according to the written interpretation at the bottom, the red blood cells and platelets that do exist are all showing signs of immaturity- this means that they are not sticking around in the bone marrow long enough to mature completely because something (ie the leukemia that is pumping out cells) is taking up space in the bone marrow. Besides the changes in her CBC, some other parameters also point towards this diagnosis: her calcium level is elevated which is often seen in association with cancer and her CPK is high which might indicate muscle wasting. Muscle wasting is often also seen with cancer." I thought yesterday was hard (choosing to end Pixie's suffering & helping her cross over) but today is even worse. Waking up with no Pixie at the foot of the bed, no Pixie meowing for her tuna, no Pixie scampering down the stairs. Seeing her things everywhere -- food bowls, toys, blankets, cat grass, scratching mats, the armchair she shredded, a brush full of orange fur -- is devastating. HOW can I possibly live here without her? Pixie was born in South Philadelphia in spring 2005, rescued from the streets during a snowstorm in February 2006, and came into my life in March 2006. She was a feisty little champ like Rocky. Pixie became a Dutch cat in August 2006 when we moved to the Netherlands (her permanent & final home), flying Northwest so I could bring her in the cabin, tucking her carrier under the seat in front of me, and carrying a pop-up make-shift litterbox, food, water, vet documents, and Rescue Remedy. She was the perfect companion. _ Hotmail® goes with you. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Mobile1_052009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pixie didn't eat during the five days I was away
Giselle, Leaving aside any other diagnosis, and given that you believe she hasn't drunk water for days, Pixie sounds at the very least dehydrated. I am NOT a vet but my advice is, arrange as fast as possible ---now--today---for her to be checked for dehydration and given fluids as necessary. Sub-cutaneous fluid will immediately help a dehydrated cat feel better in a way that mere drinking water cannot do. Second, find a responsive and supportive vet--a vet who understands that FeLV cats are not second-class cats. I would run a mile (and have done) in the opposite direction from one who is clearly so uncaring. Pixie and you deserve much better. (If she will need further sub-Qs--hydration sessions-- get the (new) vet or vet's tech to show you how it's done--it's easy, and a good vet clinic will be happy to show you (that's how I learned--my vet pushed me into it, thank goodness). It saves $$ and time and the stress on a cat of vet visits.) Good luck. Kerry M. From: G D To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 4:02:52 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Pixie didn't eat during the five days I was away Hi everyone, Pixie is my best buddy and constant companion as I work from home. She's a 4-year old female FeLV+. Last Thursday I went away for 5 days, leaving her home alone with a neighbor coming over for at least an hour each day to keep her company, feed wet food, brush, clean litterbox, etc. I returned from my trip yesterday and immediately knew something was wrong -- Pixie didn't come greet me and her dry food and water bowls were almost totally full (how I left them before leaving on Thursday). The neighbor said Pixie didn't eat her wet food either. She is now much skinnier around the midsection/haunches and clearly weak. Straight away I syringe-fed her a wet food & water slurry before rushing over to the vet where the vet on duty found Pixie had lost over 1 lb (since she was last weighed in 2007) and said her gums and eyes looked pale. The vet suggested Pixie might have nonregenerative anemia linked to bone marrow failure. She had some blood drawn, got weighed and had temperature taken but that's it. I'm waiting to hear the blood work results tomorrow. Vet didn't even recommend how to deal with the weight loss and probable dehydration. Didn't suggest x-rays either. This woman basically shrugged when I asked about courses of treatment (like, why bother?) for a FeLV cat who might have anemia. Bottom line: I'm terrified about Pixie and don't know what to do to help her recover. She's my second cat ever, and first cat I've been primary caregiver to. I feel guilty about going away at all last week, but she had been OK on previous occasions when I travelled. I've been syringe-feeding her slurries every 2 hours all day but she doesn't seem to be regaining strength and she's breathing faster than normal and I catch her staring blankly. Any advice from you guys is much appreciated. Thanks, Giselle _ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage1_052009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Zuckerman has crossed
Oh Amy, I'm so sorry. It is so so hard to lose one baby, but to lose six in 9 months---I'm so sorry for all the heartbreak you've been suffering for so long. Zuckerman's life was far too short like so many of our kitts, but at least he spent it with you and was loved and cared for right to the end. I love your description of him and his favorite things to do-- he sure was a lovable character, wasn't he, who knew how to live and have fun. What a sweetie. Rest in peace, Zuckerman. big hugs, Kerry M. From: Amy Dalgliesh To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:58:34 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Zuckerman has crossed My Zman lost his fight today. He is my 6th in the past 9 months. I know that it is to be expected when you take in sickly street kids, but it doesn't help with the pain of losing any one of these wonderful creatures. . Zuckerman was a 2 week old kitten with a horrible URI when I found him. He quickly became a momma's boy, going to work with me during the day and holding paws through the carrier door at night. Once old enough to graduate from the carrier, he became quite the snuggler, curling up at my neck during the night. He loved to suckle earlobes and would launch himself off a piece of furniture onto any unsuspecting person who happened by in order to attach himself to one. I told him that he would have to stop because we couldn't have a 12 pound adult "catapulting" himself onto everyone. Guess I don't have to worry about that now, he was only 8 months old and less than 4 pounds at the end.. We were holding paws when he left. It's been said before by all of us and unfortunately I know it will be said many more times, but I hate this freaking disease. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ kitty is sick
Sending good healing wishes for little Laurabless you for giving her a loving home. Kerry From: Laura B To: "felvt...@felineleukemia" Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 5:33:16 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ kitty is sick My Positive blind girl is sick, I have had her for just a year now and this is the first time she's been ill. I had my neighbor take her to my vet yesterday and she had a fever of 104.9, she's also not eating much and VERY lethargic. I'm very worried. I adopted Laura (she was named after me by my vets staff, long story) because she was living at the vets, was blind and being tormented by another cat. I had her tested when I brought her home and found out she was pos, she came from a colony that had alot of pos's, so I think she'd been pos since a kitten, just didn't show on her first snap test. Anyway, at that time we found out the cat that was bullying her was also pos, he recently passed away. Laura will be three next month, I've read that many kitties don't live more than 2-3 years after diagnosis.. Vet drew blood yesterday so today we should get those results back...please keep a good thought it's not something dire. Laura ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Charlotte to the CLS
I'm so sorry, Laura. I'm so glad you were able to be with Charlotte and comfort her, so that she passed secure in the knowledge she was a much-loved kitty. hugs, Kerry From: Laura Mostello To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 11:51:19 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Charlotte to the CLS Charlotte has just passed away. I came home from work, went into her room and she was lying on her side, crying and breathing heavily. I ran and let my dogs out, came back to her and held her for what turned out to be about 4 hours. She gradually slowed down, but was responding to my voice for quite a while. Eventually that stopped and I knew she was probably unconscious. She passed at the stroke of midnight, and I know it sounds crazy, but I immediately felt so calm - I can only explain it by saying that as soon as she died I physically felt her suffering end. It was so strange. I am sitting here crying as I write this even though I know it's better and she won't be in pain any more. But she'd been doing so well and eating like a pig. Just this morning she was stuffing her face with chicken. So I thought that maybe I could have her with me for just a while longer, and just maybe she'd be one who survived despite the odds. Guess I was wrong. I hate this disease. Thanks everyone for all your help. Laura ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I'm new here...
Dear all Just been reading the most recent postswhere "Imulan" is mentioned, is it shorthand for "LCTI" ---Imulan's product? I just want to be clear -- I only just heard of this product. Thanks, Kerry On 23/04/2009, at 5:55 PM, Jane Lyons wrote: Hi Karen I would be interested ( as would everyone on this list) in knowing about the success you have had in treating Felv. Are you representing or connected in anyway with Immulan ? Thanks Jane On Apr 23, 2009, at 6:32 PM, Karen Griffith wrote: Judy, Sorry to hear about your Wilson's test results. You will receive much good advise from the members here. I am an Animal Scientist/ Animal Nutritionist from Ohio State University. Feel free to call me at 740-992-5782. I have had much success with FELV+ kitties and can speak with you personally and fill you in on what I have found to be the best protocol / support / treatment options. (This offer also goes to anyone on the list that would like some help. For those wondering about the Immulan, I have one client using it with additional treatments with success. Did not have the luck she had hoped for with it alone.) Looking forward to speaking with you. The best time to reach me is after 9 pm EST. Karen Griffith - Original Message - From: "Judy Eaton" To: "Feline leukemia" Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:57 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] I'm new here... This is my introductory note to you guys. I am Judy Eaton and live in Richland, Oregon, a tiny, remote farming community. I am a lifelong animal lover, especially of cats, and have owned many. Currently, I have an 11 month old grey tabby, Wilson Combat, who is fel leuk positive. I found out about the diagnosis when I had him neutered at 5 months, and last weekend had him checked again, due to lethargy, no appetite, and third eyelid over one eye. He is still positive. His blood was checked, and actually his count was pretty good. However, he still isn't eating, and just moping around. I have offered him every kitty treat I can think of( cooked chicken, hamburger, tuna), with no luck. He purrs, and looks good,no vomiting or diarrhea, but the anorexia has to lead to major weight loss. Do these cats get better and then worse in cycles? I would suspect that. I am an RN and have had comparable experiences with people with devastating diagnoses, and guessed that this cat's case may be similar. I am so sad about all this, and I guess I just need some support! We are letting him go outside. He has his own kitty door...We are very isolated, and my husband and I want him to be as happy as he can be. I know the risks. Thanks! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Petey
Thank you Tonya. I'll be passing on your condolences to Lea too. Hope you and yours are well, Kerry On 22/04/2009, at 6:21 PM, catatonya wrote: Kerry, My internet has been down. I'm so sorry to read about Petey. tonya --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Kerry MacKenzie wrote: From: Kerry MacKenzie Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Petey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 5:44 PM You're so right. Thanks Lorrie. From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:17:48 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Petey I'm so sorry about Petey. These losses are so hard on us, and it never gets any easier no matter how many times we go thru it. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Immulin
Thanks Hiromiand I'm so glad to hear Puma is doing so well! Long may Puma have good health. I'll fwd your email to Lea. Kerry On 22/04/2009, at 6:03 PM, Hiromi Page wrote: I brought my cat (Puma) to a new vet for his bladder infection in Jan 2009. I was then told that 1. Puma is FeLV+ 2. Puma has severe anemia 3. Puma's kidney/Liver are failing (The vet said that based on Puma's blood test results) I put Puma on the LTCI treatment, and he finished 6th shots so far. The vet did another blood test 2weeks after his 6th shots, and the vet told me that 1. Puma is FeLV- this time (it's ELISA, so we will test him again) 2. Puma doesn't have anemia any more 3. All the values for the blood test came back as normal I don't quite believe that this treatment cures FeLV...my stance is that if it works, great! if not, it's OK. But I'm very happy that it helped Puma's anemia - he is not suffering from it any more! I'm planning on 3 more monthly shots for Puma as maintenance/follow- up (?). Hope this helps. Hiromi ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Immulin
Thanks v much Gary. Have fwded on your info. Kerry On 22/04/2009, at 4:55 PM, gary wrote: I believe you are talking about a product called LTCI that is made by a company called Imulan their website is http://imulan.com The product is not related to IR. Some people have had very good success with LTCI and some have not. I don't believe there is any information about its effectiveness when used on asymptomatic cats and I would find it far too expensive to use as a simple immune booster. Assuming I had the money, I might give it a try for a symptomatic cat where you can tell if there is an improvement. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzie Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 3:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Immulin Dear all, Does anyone have any experience in treating FeLV kitts with Immulin? My FelV foster's new forever mom just sent me the email extract below from her ex (who also adopts FeLV kitts). She is looking for any info on Immulin. I wonder if it's akin to Immuno Regulin, or even IR itself, re-packaged for cats (as opposed to dogs and horses)? I wonder about this guy being taken for a ride---even unintentionally--by his vet, as it sounds pricy. I've been trying to research on the web with no success. I've also been unable to dig up any more info on Immuno Regulin other than what I already read several years ago--mainly 2 articles by vets supporting use of IR by Dr Mike Lies, and Dr Karen Thomas, respectively. Immulin - appears to be a scientific breakthrough that I am excited about. Results have been incredible. Its a boost to the immune system that in many cases has helped them to beat their diseases. The only issue is cost. It is a very expensive and intensive program. I am also uncertain about the stress of making him go to the vet so often and taking the shots themselves. Doctor thinks pros outway cons by far, I am a little less convinced of that but still excited about the possibilities here.<<< Any info on Immulin, or (more up to date) info on IR would be very welcome. Incidentally, one Google result showed an email from a guy that said Dr Karen Thomas' experiences were available on "Jim's website". He may mean this website -- James's -- but I've never seen anything from a Dr Karen Thomas here?? Hugs to all and good health wishes to all your kitts, Kerry M. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Immulin
Thanks v much Jane--do you happen to know the name of the other group? I'm not familiar with it. Kerry On 22/04/2009, at 4:44 PM, Jane Lyons wrote: Hi Kerry I think that MC and Lance know something about it. If you go to the other Felv group, Sheila Smith's husband is a vet in Austin,Tx and he has been giving it to his Felv cats for quite a while. He was available to talk to vets who were interested in using it. She would be able to update you on the results he has had with it. My vet was turned off by Immulan's website. Apparently the company had been sold recently and the original clinical trials were discontinued and the current owners were not forthcoming with information. My vet was not interested in working with them, and I dropped it because MeMe was doing well with Interferon. I wish I had more information to share, but if you track down Sheila Smith, you should get some current information. Jane On Apr 22, 2009, at 4:48 PM, Kerry MacKenzie wrote: Dear all, Does anyone have any experience in treating FeLV kitts with Immulin? My FelV foster's new forever mom just sent me the email extract below from her ex (who also adopts FeLV kitts). She is looking for any info on Immulin. I wonder if it's akin to Immuno Regulin, or even IR itself, re-packaged for cats (as opposed to dogs and horses)? I wonder about this guy being taken for a ride---even unintentionally--by his vet, as it sounds pricy. I've been trying to research on the web with no success. I've also been unable to dig up any more info on Immuno Regulin other than what I already read several years ago--mainly 2 articles by vets supporting use of IR by Dr Mike Lies, and Dr Karen Thomas, respectively. >>>Immulin - appears to be a scientific breakthrough that I am excited about. Results have been incredible. Its a boost to the immune system that in many cases has helped them to beat their diseases. The only issue is cost. It is a very expensive and intensive program. I am also uncertain about the stress of making him go to the vet so often and taking the shots themselves. Doctor thinks pros outway cons by far, I am a little less convinced of that but still excited about the possibilities here.<<< Any info on Immulin, or (more up to date) info on IR would be very welcome. Incidentally, one Google result showed an email from a guy that said Dr Karen Thomas' experiences were available on "Jim's website". He may mean this website -- James's -- but I've never seen anything from a Dr Karen Thomas here?? Hugs to all and good health wishes to all your kitts, Kerry M. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Immulin
Dear all, Does anyone have any experience in treating FeLV kitts with Immulin? My FelV foster's new forever mom just sent me the email extract below from her ex (who also adopts FeLV kitts). She is looking for any info on Immulin. I wonder if it's akin to Immuno Regulin, or even IR itself, re-packaged for cats (as opposed to dogs and horses)? I wonder about this guy being taken for a ride---even unintentionally--by his vet, as it sounds pricy. I've been trying to research on the web with no success. I've also been unable to dig up any more info on Immuno Regulin other than what I already read several years ago--mainly 2 articles by vets supporting use of IR by Dr Mike Lies, and Dr Karen Thomas, respectively. >>>Immulin - appears to be a scientific breakthrough that I am excited about. Results have been incredible. Its a boost to the immune system that in many cases has helped them to beat their diseases. The only issue is cost. It is a very expensive and intensive program. I am also uncertain about the stress of making him go to the vet so often and taking the shots themselves. Doctor thinks pros outway cons by far, I am a little less convinced of that but still excited about the possibilities here.<<< Any info on Immulin, or (more up to date) info on IR would be very welcome. Incidentally, one Google result showed an email from a guy that said Dr Karen Thomas' experiences were available on "Jim's website". He may mean this website -- James's -- but I've never seen anything from a Dr Karen Thomas here?? Hugs to all and good health wishes to all your kitts, Kerry M. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Petey
Thanks Diane. From: Diane Rosenfeldt To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:11:43 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Petey Oh, darn it. Condolences to Petey's mom, and gentlest of Bridge vibes to Petey. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzie Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Petey I just got the very sad news that Petey was put to sleep this morning. I want to thank everyone for their feedback and support yesterday. Petey's mom is also the new mom of my former foster FeLV Daisy. I'll be (gently) encouraging her to join the list. I didn't know Petey was even ill until yesterday, and I think she and Petey would have benefited enormously from being part of this wonderful group. Good wishes as always to all of you and your furbabes. Kerry M. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Petey
You're so right. Thanks Lorrie. From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:17:48 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Petey I'm so sorry about Petey. These losses are so hard on us, and it never gets any easier no matter how many times we go thru it. Lorrie > On 04-16, Kerry MacKenzie wrote: I just got the very sad news that > Petey was put to sleep this morning. I want to thank everyone for > their feedback and support yesterday. Petey's mom is also the new > mom of my former foster FeLV Daisy. I'll be (gently) encouraging > her to join the list. I didn't know Petey was even ill until > yesterday, and I think she and Petey would have benefited > enormously from being part of this wonderful group. Good wishes as > always to all of you and your furbabes. Kerry M. > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Petey
I just got the very sad news that Petey was put to sleep this morning. I want to thank everyone for their feedback and support yesterday. Petey's mom is also the new mom of my former foster FeLV Daisy. I'll be (gently) encouraging her to join the list. I didn't know Petey was even ill until yesterday, and I think she and Petey would have benefited enormously from being part of this wonderful group. Good wishes as always to all of you and your furbabes. Kerry M. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Petey isn't eating and x-rays have found nothing
Thanks Belinda. I just received the latest on Petey, see below. Will keep you all posted. Kerry Petey is at Family Pet – they’ll do a full blood work-up and probably give him some fluids. The Dr. didn’t seem too optimistic. She thinks his heart murmur is recent – the emergency vet last night heard it and I told him I thought he’d always had that, but the FP vet didn’t have that in any of her notes from her previous times with him. She also thinks his gums are too pale, even for a FeLeuk cat. She looked at his x-rays and thought his small intestine looked abnormal and will have other vets give their opinion. She has a few preliminary ideas - anemia, which could also have something to do with his heart murmur; a gastro-intestinal issue; or, worst case scenario, lymphoma – and I think she mentionedstomach cancer. Hopefully they will be able to rule out or find out more with the blood work. I’m hoping to hear from her within the hour to discuss the results and our options. She didn’t sound very optimistic about any of it. She thought he was quite sick and was very concerned about his heavy breathing during his visit. Will let you know what I find out.. From: Belinda Sauro To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 12:23:38 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Petey isn't eating and x-rays have found nothing Hi Kerry, What's his HCT, anemia will cause these types of symptoms. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4011 (20090415) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Petey isn't eating and x-rays have found nothing
thanks Sidney, good point---I imagine the emergency clinic wd have had to wait for bloodwork results and so presumably the regular vet will do that this morning. Will ask abt CBC and see what it says. From: "souther...@aol.com" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 9:40:46 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Petey isn't eating and x-rays have found nothing HAS anyone done a CBC? I'm wondering if his red blood cell count is down, which might account for the shortness of breath since they carry oxygen. Pale gums can be a sign of low red blood cells. I'm not a vet, I've just got a dog with low red and white cells from a tick borne disease. Sidney ** Great deals on Dell’s most popular laptops – Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220631252x1201390195/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213968550%3B35701427%3Bh) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Petey isn't eating and x-rays have found nothing
Dear all, would welcome your input very much--any ideas you may have on what's wrong with Petey. Background: My FeLV foster kitten Daisy recently went to her (lovely) new forever home. Her companion, also positive, is Petey.. He's 7, and he's the sweetest cat you ever met. He welcomed Daisy (I've seen them together a few times) and they get on great. ~~I just heard the bad news from Lisa (one of Daisy's original rescuers) that Petey is sick. He has *stopped eating*, and it's obvious the emergency vet didn't find the problem. See Lisa's 2 emails below outlining symptoms and xray results---wd very much appreciate your thoughts/opinions as to what might be at the root of Petey's lack of appetite, drooling and hard breathing. I'll pass them asap to Lea (Petey's mom) and Lisa. many thanks---Kerry M. (1st email) Subject: Petey Please send good thoughts to Petey today…Lea called last night at 9PM to ask for my advice because he didn’t seem well; his appetite had been bad since Monday and he was drooling and breathing hard. I told her to head to CVES right away. She called about 10:30 to let me know they were going to take some X-rays and keep him overnight for observation, then off to Family Pet this morning. Let’s all cross our fingers that it’s nothing serious… (2nd email) Subject: Petey update I just talked to Lea. The x-rays last night did not show any problems; heart looked normal, lungs looked normal, kidneys, liver, bowel, etc., all fine. His heart and lungs sounded fine. The vet said his gums were pale but obviously they didn't have any of his previous records to compare with so they are not sure if the gums are paler than they normally are. She ended up taking him back home with her versus leaving him there and they are going in to Family Pet at 11AM this morning. He slept with her last night, soundly, but again this morning did not want any food. I will send another update as soon as I hear more... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Heartworm?
Thanks Debbie! From: Debbie Harrison To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 12:31:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Heartworm? Kerry, when I was MUCH younger, vets would tell you that cats couldn't get heartworms...but I have seen for myself that it is possible. I have not used Revolution, but the spay/neuter clinic routinely uses it for every animal they put under for sedation. I do keep my cats on Frontline and Advantage...wouldn't that kill any mosquito borne parasite as well? Curious kittens arecurious. Debbie (COL) "The time is always right to do what is right" - Martin Luther King > Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:41:21 -0700 > From: kerrymacken...@ymail.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Heartworm? > > Dear all, > Just received this from my vet's clinic. My first instinct is no, but I > would welcome your thoughts on the necessity for "all-year-round Revolution"? > Thanks! > Kerry M. > > Feline Heartworm Update: > > > > > Dear Pet Owner, > April 2009 > > A new study from Auburn University has indicated that heartworm disease in > cats is a far bigger issue than previously thought. Cats can get heartworm > infection through the simple bite of an infected mosquito. Studies have > shown: Indoor cats are just as susceptible to infection when mosquitoes enter > our home. > > Once bitten, immature heartworms are transmitted and the heartworm lifecycle > begins. The larval worms then start their journey through the body, > ultimately affecting the heart, blood vessels and lungs. > > A cat's body is designed to respond and kill foreign invaders, including > heartworm larvae before they develop into adults. As the cat's body > responds, the intense inflammatory reaction causes severe damage to the lung > tissue. This disease state is clinically recognized as Heartworm Associated > Respiratory Disease or H.A.R.D. Once this damage to the lung tissue occurs, > it is not reversible and there is no treatment to remove the adult heartworms > from a cat. > > With this new information we are now recommending ALL CATS be put on > Revolution year round. Revolution is a broad spectrum parasiticide that in > addition to preventing heartworm also prevents intestinal parasites, ear > mites and fleas. > > Please contact us if you would like to discuss prevention for your cat. > > Sincerely, > > The Doctors and Staff at Roscoe Village Animal Hospital > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Feline Heartworm?
Dear all, Just received this from my vet's clinic. My first instinct is no, but I would welcome your thoughts on the necessity for "all-year-round Revolution"? Thanks! Kerry M. Feline Heartworm Update: Dear Pet Owner, April 2009 A new study from Auburn University has indicated that heartworm disease in cats is a far bigger issue than previously thought. Cats can get heartworm infection through the simple bite of an infected mosquito. Studies have shown: Indoor cats are just as susceptible to infection when mosquitoes enter our home. Once bitten, immature heartworms are transmitted and the heartworm lifecycle begins. The larval worms then start their journey through the body, ultimately affecting the heart, blood vessels and lungs. A cat's body is designed to respond and kill foreign invaders, including heartworm larvae before they develop into adults. As the cat's body responds, the intense inflammatory reaction causes severe damage to the lung tissue. This disease state is clinically recognized as Heartworm Associated Respiratory Disease or H.A.R.D. Once this damage to the lung tissue occurs, it is not reversible and there is no treatment to remove the adult heartworms from a cat. With this new information we are now recommending ALL CATS be put on Revolution year round. Revolution is a broad spectrum parasiticide that in addition to preventing heartworm also prevents intestinal parasites, ear mites and fleas. Please contact us if you would like to discuss prevention for your cat. Sincerely, The Doctors and Staff at Roscoe Village Animal Hospital ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Jazzman and Oscar
Sending prayers and positive healing wishes for your sweet boys Jazz and Oscar, Sherry. You're all in my thoughts, hugs, Kerry From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 5:53:37 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Jazzman and Oscar I am pleading for a major prayer request for these two wonderful Sids boys.Jazz I fear is not going to pull through and Oscar is under the weather too.Thanks so much. Sherry "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way" ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Valentino Please add to the CLS :(
I'm so sorry, Sherry. Valentino does sound a real lover boy. (How strange that he should pass away right before Valentine's day.) I'm glad that he was so loved and cared for, especially as his health deteriorated. You're an angel for all you do for our furbabes in need, Sherry. Happy Valentines Day. Kerry M. From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 7:34:05 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Valentino Please add to the CLS :( We lost another one of our special Sids kids yesterday.Valentino was a BIG sweet loverboy who ALWAYS had a purr for us (and happy farts).He ended up blind about a month ago and was doing pretty good,but the virus took over and he just could not take anymore. May he enjoy all the kitty treats he can now. Sherry "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way" ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murdoch Please add him to the CLS :(
I'm so sorry, Sherry. Murdoch sounds like he was a particularly lovable little soul. I'm glad he knew you. I'm sending prayers for Stryker, with hopes that he turns around. hugs, Kerry M. From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 6:59:01 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Murdoch Please add him to the CLS :( Well I'm sure you all remember me asking for prayes for this sweet guy.He quickly went down hill and Dr. Jen had to let him go tonight.He was a rough looking orange fluffy guy with a crumpled ear.But the cutest little face to love. Also could you say a little prayer for Stryker? He is at the clinic and not doing so well.Thank you all for being here. Sherry "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way" ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ELISA & IFA
Thanks so, so much MC. Really really appreciate your feedback.VERY interesting about the serum business. I guess this will be the next stage for Daisy. I'll keep you and the list posted. Kerry From: MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:09:30 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ELISA & IFA okay, well, no one really wants to hear THIS one, but yes, using serum makes the odds that an ELISA is accurate MUCH MUCH higher. in fact, as recently as last november, a famous felv researcher (intials np) stated in a private note to someone other than myself that an ELISA done on whole blood is essentially useless. gee, great, this is at the same time that other "professionals' are trying to assure us that standard, done-at-the-vet's-office ELISA's (almost ALWAYS done with whole blood) are highly accurate. i just found out about this about a month ago, and still haven't digested it and what it means when the real experts (as opposed to those who just have chosen ignorance) can't agree. as for the confusion over the IFA being done at the same time as an ELISA, you're right and wrong, kerry--if it's the FIRST testing, and there has been no time for the virus to have worked itself out of kitty's system, then yes, the results will often be the same, based on the same antigenic response. however, after exposure time has been factored in, the IFA is considered the confirmatory test. so if you do an ELISA and get a positive, but do a negative IFA at the same time, cat is considered negative. if you do an ELISA and get a positive and get a positive IFA at the same time, cat is considered iffy and still could be testing due to exposure. if you RETEST and get another positive IFA (most vets don't actually bother doing more than one ELISA, actually, going straight to the IFA after the first ELISA if its positive), and more than 120 days from last possible exposure has occurred, then kitty is considered positive. the whole, "occult" thing is something that i don't particularly think has been proven yet--using that as a theory, it means that ANY CAT THAT HAS EVER BEEN OUTDOORS OR POSSIBLY EXPOSED TO A POSITIVE CAT CAN SUDDENLY become positive--and we know that doesn't happen. look at the merck--even it says that 70% of adult healthy cats don't stay positive--i think that's a hold-over hypothesis from when it wasn't understood that a NEGATIVE test doesn' mean anything, either, really--that every cat that could have been exposed needs to be retested after 120 days, so that the true "occult" infection time is really the same EXPOSURE time that is involved both in incubatoin and processing the virus out of the system. the hypothesis of carriers and hidden, untestable populations made sense back when little was known, but there is too much evidence for mixed households, and feral colonies with stable FeLV populations--with little evidence that cats who suddenly test positive were ever truly negative--remember that all my cats were originally exposed by a beautiful tortie who most decidedly tested negative at the shelter before she came home--and died fully positive a little over a year later. none of the very young, nor the older, frail cats in the house ever turned positive. (anny and mysti were 3 months old when brownee moved in, they're going on nine now, so i guess they COULD be harboring it occultly..) um, what was the question again? -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: o/t anyone know the best deal for Feliway
Thank you Kiley ,and everyone else who replied. I'll be offline for 2 weeks now but will be thinking of all your kitties and sending healing vibes and prayers for those that are sick. till later, you wonderful people, Love y'all, take care-- Kerry - Original Message - From: "Kiley Dozier-Bosanko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:31 PM Subject: Re: o/t anyone know the best deal for Feliway > I've had great luck with the diffuser, but I've never tried the spray. Mio > used to pee on my bed if I was out of the house for more than 12 hours, poor > girl. I bought the diffuser and plugged it in next to my bed, we have been > accident free since February. > > > From: "Marylyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > To: > Subject: Re: o/t anyone know the best deal for Feliway > Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:46:11 -0500 > > I've had no luck with the diffuser and know several people who haven't > either. Is it working for you? > > > > > > > If you have men who will > exclude any of God's creatures > from the shelter of > compassion and pity, you will have men who > will deal likewise with > their fellow man. >St. > Francis >- Original Message - >From: Barb Moermond >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 1:58 PM >Subject: RE: o/t anyone know the best deal for Feliway > > >here's an even better deal > > > http://www.petsnmore.com/home.asp?searchstr=feliway&GCID=S16135x002&keyword= feliway%20diffuser > >This one is the lowest I've found for the 6 pack of refills > > >"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks Barb! > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Moermond > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 1:51 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: o/t anyone know the best deal for Feliway > > > check this out:) > > http://www.entirelypets.com/6pakfedire48.html > > > "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hi all >I need to buy a bunch of Feliway. If anyone knows of a good source >pricewise, I'd appreciate it. >Thanks! >Kerry M. > >IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters > was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw > LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of > avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person > uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or > recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement > to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or > marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that > transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on > the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. > >This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for > the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have > received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are > not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this > e-mail. > > > > > > Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito > > "My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely > living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." > - Anonymous > > -- -- > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. > > > >Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito > >"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely > living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." >- Anonymous > > > -- >How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call > rates. > > >
Re: Patty
As far as I know, no one has heard for quite some time. I wish too that we had some way to find out how she is doing, and pray that she's recovering. Kerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 10:12 PM Subject: Patty Can anyone tell me how Patty is doing? I pray that she is on the road to recovery. Sheila
Re: advice re sedation for kitten on long trip
Thanks Hideyo and Marylyn, appreciate it, have passed on the info to her. Kerry - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 3:36 AM Subject: Re: advice re sedation for kitten on long trip One of the holistic vets I know recommends a very concentrated catnip spray too. I got something similar to what she uses at one of the PetsMarts. The combination of rr and catnip works better than either alone. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 11:28 PM Subject: RE: advice re sedation for kitten on long trip Theyact very differentlyincidividually,, some kitties really freak out with drug.. my recommendation is not to use any, but give some rescue remedy instead. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzieSent: Friday, August 25, 2006 7:32 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: advice re sedation for kitten on long trip Hi all I don't know if this will go thru because I'm having a lot of problems. But I have to try, as someone I know is driving in the next couple of days from Chicago to NY City and asked my advice about sedating her kitten for the trip. I believe the kitten is 5 months old, and certainly under a year. I've never used any sort of sedation and said i wd ask you wonderful guys. I believe Benadryl was mentioned recently on the list? Any advice much appreciated! Kerry No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/427 - Release Date: 8/24/2006
Re: advice re sedation for kitten on long trip
Thanks Phaewryn--much appreciated, I'll pass this on to her. Kerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 11:46 PM Subject: Re: advice re sedation for kitten on long trip DON'T do it, period. Provide a kennel big enough to put a litter box in with the kitten (do NOT use clumping litter), and just let him work it out. Sedation makes them carsick, and has side effects. It's not in any way helpful, unless you have a cat that really freaks out and hyperventilates and tries to kill himself, sedation is just not required or recommended. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster & Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 8/25/2006
advice re sedation for kitten on long trip
Hi all I don't know if this will go thru because I'm having a lot of problems. But I have to try, as someone I know is driving in the next couple of days from Chicago to NY City and asked my advice about sedating her kitten for the trip. I believe the kitten is 5 months old, and certainly under a year. I've never used any sort of sedation and said i wd ask you wonderful guys. I believe Benadryl was mentioned recently on the list? Any advice much appreciated! Kerry
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(My email is not getting thru) - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:45 AM Subject: Re: just need to vent about my feral feluk (sorry if this shows up twice, post wasn't going through this morning)Jeni,What happened with the cat that was trapped in your wall? I was reading some stuff in the files of my feral list and I came across this advice for your situation. I hope you don't need it at this point. Please give us an update.NinaOne way to get cats out of a crawlspace is to cover the hole with hardware cloth (wire mesh 1/4-1/2 inch holes) and cut a flap in it. Pull it out a tiny bit toward you...just enough so that a cat trapped inside will push against it and get out. The cat/kitten pushes out. But, when they come back, the rigid wire doesn't push IN to the crawlspace (it gets hung up on itself since you started it in one direction) and the cat can't get back in. You can also buy a one way door from Tomahawk (lets animals out but not back in but it sounds like time is of essence, here. A one-way door looks like a cage trap end, with a door that pushes open. You put one end against the hole, and the cat pushes out the other. With cats it is important to cover the sides of the one-way door the same way you would a trap, so that the cat, in the darkness of the cellar, sees the light at the end of the device (the door it has to push through) and doesn't spend a lot of time trying to get out the wire at the sides (just like you see a cat do when it's stuck in a trap). If you use hardware cloth it is important to make the flap small (less than six inches by six inches, and pull it out only a little. Don't bend it a lot or it will be floppy enough for the cat to pull down and go back inside. I usually cut the wire so the flap points up (does this make any sense at all?) Like an upside down cat door. JENI RECA wrote: I just wanted to thank everyone for all the encouragement, kind words and of course advice. We are borrowing a trap from a friend, plan on trapping her and just getting her back in the house. Unfortuantely we do not have an extra room to keep her in. We have one bedroom an open floor area with the kitchen and livingroom and the down stairs is all opened. I plan on making her a small comfortable area under our stair area where she can hide better in and maybe won't want to go back into the wall. Thank you again, this list and the people on it are great and it's nice to be able to turn to in need. Thank you Jeni
Re: New to the List, Cats, and FeLV!!
Hi Marissa And a big welcome, although I'm sorry for the reason you had to find us. First, thanks for opening your heart to this sweet little soul. And, given that you say you've been largely more of a "dog person" I'm hugely impressed by the manner in which you've proceeded so far, eg, your instinct about your vet's diet comments is right on the nail. Your main goal is to keep Slinky's immune system boosted as much as you can, so Number One essential--which you're already doing (if only Slinky would co-operate!)--is go to a good pet food store as you've done and buy top-quality cat food ie cat food without additives and preservatives and fillers, like Innova, Wellness, or Eagle, to name a few. (Showering him with all that love and affection you're already giving him will sure help keep his immune system boosted too!) If he absolutely won't eat any of the top brands after you've tried a few---and this is just my suggestion--maybe you cd try mixing it to begin with with a "junk" pet food that he will eat and then gradually eliminate the "junk"? Just an idea, and maybe others on the list will have a better idea. Another idea--again just my own suggestion--would be to try finger feeding him the good stuff, and see if that changes his attitude. Tomorrow I'll send you info gleaned from the FeLV section of Anitra Frazier's The New Natural Cat book that I used for my FeLV cats--it's on my work computer. I used her recipe for Vita-Mineral mix for my FeLV kitts from the time I got them till the time I lost them and I'm convinced that even tho their lives were cut far too short, it helped them enormously. You will get lots more advicethe list can be slow on weekends. Please fire away with any Qs--you can never ask too many. This is the kindest, most supportive, most knowledgeable group ever and was my lifeline/godsend when I discovered all my brood had FeLV. Will be in touch again tomorrow Marissa. You are already doing a great job in using your own instinct to guide you--Slinky is a lucky little kit to have found you. take care, Kerry - Original Message - From: Marissa Johnson To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 11:21 AM Subject: New to the List, Cats, and FeLV!! Hi all. So I'm new to all of this! I recently took in a stray that was living under my boyfriend's house (his mom gave birth there and we found homes for all the kittens...one being mine. Mom still lives there and he feeds her). My family had cats when I was in high school but they were indoor/outdoor (we lived in the country) and I never bonded with them too much. They were mostly my step-mom's pets. I've generally been more of a dog person. But now i have this WONDERFUL, adorable little baby (about 14-15 weeks old) named Slinky. He's a gray and white DSH and the sweetest cat ever. And when I took him to the vet (last weekend...I just got him recently), he tested positive for FeLV. :( The vet said that he had about a 25% chance of "growing out of it" (or fighting it off or being a fals positive or whatever it is that causes cats to test positive as kittens and negative as adults), and about a 25% chance of having it his whole life and not being affected by it. The only "symptom" he's had is that he had an upper resperatory infection about 3 weeks ago. My boyfriend's sister took him to the vet (it was before I got him) and they gave him amoxicillan and eye drops and he seemed to recover pretty quickly. He still sneezes a fair amount, but that's it. So...I brought him home and I'm praying for the best. He was kind of lethargic and quiet for a couple days after the vet visit, but I assume that's probably from the trauma and the vaccinations (other than FeLV). He's been pretty much back to his normal self for a few days now. But his mom still has a TON of questions!!! My first thought was to wonder whether vitamin supplements or diet or something might help to boost his immune system and either help him fight off the virus or keep secondary infections at bay. The vet said as long as his diet is sufficient, he doesn't need them, but I'm not sure the vet is the best (I'm also new to the area, so trying to find a vet is a challenge!). I was giving him dry Purina kitten chow (it was all I knew to get) and the vet said that was as good as anything. I don't really believe him though. So I went to a natural pet food store and the owner gave me some canned food and some dry...all natural, no grains (innova evo). But he won't eat it. He won't touch the dry food at all! And the canned he'll only eat if it's the only option...and he won't really even eat it if I mix it with the purina. Ugh! I also bought a vitamin powder and something to help his digestive track (which he isn't too crazy about). But I'm a little lear
Re: Testing your account
Thanks James---I just logged on again and got 90 emails all at once, which includes all the mail from Monday eve, Tuesday and today! So looks like normal service is resumed, whew! Thanks for getting back to me so quickly, Best, Kerry - Original Message - From: To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 11:27 PM Subject: Testing your account > Hi Kerry, everything looks OK on this end for your home account. So, I'm sending > you a note from the felineleukemia.org mail site to see if MSN is blocking our > domain for some reason (long story). Please let me know if you get this message > at my regular address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If this message comes through, then > maybe your spam filter is catching list mail inadvertantly? Well, let's go from > here to find out. Best wishes to you and yours. >
Re: Patti could use your prayers
Patti dearest, just want to let you know i sent you an email off-list last night, and will add another little off-list one tonight. (Nina let me know later that you don't necessarily see all your off-list email, so thought I'd better mention it.) I'm even sorrier now to hear that all this terrible stuff happened--as Nina told me last night--over 2 months ago, on May 15. Two months ago! You poor darling. I just hate the idea of you going through all that awfulness and none of us knowing and being able to lend our support. I wish we all lived physically nearer you (and each other)! much love and big hugs to you, dear Patti, Kerryx
Re: I killed Grayson
Tonya dearest, someone else said it already I think, but from everything I know about you from our beloved list, the only thing you personally could ever smother a cat with is pure unadulterated love. I could imagine many of us including myself reacting in grief the way you are doing---totally beating yourself up--but it's simply not justified. You are the best friend a little soul like Grayson could ever have. You are the best. I'm glad Grayson found you, and knew what it was to be loved in his short life, and I wish there were more like you in this world. much love and big hugs to you, dear Tonya. Kerry. - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:58 AM Subject: I killed Grayson I just woke and Grayson was dead. I think I smothered him. I think 2:30 was the last time he woke me up to be fed. I had him up by my neck but remember finding him sleeping down next to me at one point and moving him back up. I guess it didn't cross my mind at the time that he should have been screaming for food at that point. I just moved him back up higher on the bed and covered him in his little towel and fell back asleep. When I woke again I wondered why he hadn't cried yet or moved over to my neck. He was dead because I had killed him. tonya
Re: (no subject)
According to my vet--who I trust and respect--there has been a significant increase in diabetes and overweight in cats over the past few years. This is apparently attributed to the high carb content of dry food. When I got my first cat 10 years ago I recall being advised to switch to dry food, even tho my cats were happy with their wet food. I dutifully changed to dry. Now the thinking is totally changed, and wet is better, not least because of its high water content that helps prevent dehydration.. Wish I'd never switched to dry. I give mine both, because they lost weight when I cut down on dry and increased the wet. They wdn't eat the wet. Even now, I open no bigger than a 5oz can twice a day, between 5 cats. More often than not, much of it remains uneaten. They're quite addicted to the dry. Very frustrating (and wasteful)! Kerry - Original Message - From: gwork To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: (no subject) I just recorded my Spaz story yesterday, and it has reminded me of a few things. I was wondering how common diabetes is in cats, and if any of you have experiences with it? I do not have any, but I would like to try to learn something ahead of time just in case. Hopefully, I will get the overweight ones to lose some weight with the new diet. I know a fair amount about human diabetes, since my husband is diabetic, but that could be different. Also, since the last go-around with anemia, when I would try to open the windows/doors, always Spaz would begin sneezing, etc., as if having allergies. So I thought it better to stop this so as not to stress her immune system. Now, with the knowledge of these supplements, that may change, but I was wondering if anyone else has had anything like this happen? Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
Re: o/t advice needed
Thanks so much Tonya! (tried to email you directly as sooo o/t but non possibile--apologies to all) My dad is just extraordinary---he has been diagnosed as having stage 4 cancer (terminal; no treatment) but he's carrying on with a more or less normal life...a friend who called me while I was in Scotland to ask how he was was as amazed by my reply as I was after I popped my head out the door: "Well, right now, he's changing tractor tyres"! He's never once complained (and in fact his standard reply when anyone asks how he is, is what it's pretty well been all his life: "no complaints"!). But he's not in denial--he knows exactly the score: he floored me (and I'm sure all of us around the table) when he commented matter-of-factly last week "while I'm still able to eat, I'd really like to taste a lobster". Needless to say my sisters are now all scrabbling to organise a lobster feast. Thanks for the good Danny advice--I hadn't thought of crate--will pass to B. Plumbing pretty well resolved, tho found (in time) another potentially ghastly leak today--fortunately there was already a container in place. Teeth also fixed so I don't scare the horses any more. Well, maybe I do, but not for that reason. Thanks again for your good wishes Tonya! hugs, Kerry - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 9:49 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed Gosh Kerry! How is your father on top of everything else? I think of you often. As far as the cat spraying, I would recommend she start over and crate the cat for a while so the 2 can get used to each other more gradually. Then let it have a small room like a bathroom, etc. If it sprays it goes back into the crate.. etc Is the cat neutered? Also I'd try the feliway dispensers. And if none of that shows promise I'd try the kitty prozac ( I don't remember what it's called.) Good luck with everything. Plumbing problems suck. I had that blue poly that was recalled at my old house and had several major floods until I replumbed the entire house. tonya
Re: marketing ideas for Elizabeth
That is such a fabulous success story---congrats to your step-brother! - Original Message - From: gwork To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 9:21 PM Subject: marketing ideas for Elizabeth Just wanted to share the ideas. My step-brother, Johnathan Rand, began writing children's stories back in '99. He started out by going around northern MI to gas stations, gift shops, restaurants and hotels and leaving his books without asking for $ up front. He would give them $1 for each that was sold, and take back the ones that didn't. They began selling, esp. to tourists, and by 2003, he had over a million books in print. Now he has over two, maybe even three, I'm not sure anymore! He outsells Harry Potter in MI. So if you every have the time and inclination, it might work for you, too! Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
Re: Miss Kitty has gone to Rainbow Bridge
Dear Brenda I'm so, so sorry for what you've been through these last couple of years--many of us here can sadly relate only too well--and I'm thinking of you tonight and crying with you as you grieve for your precious Miss Kitty. As others have said, I'm just so glad Miss Kitty and her kittens knew what it was to be dearly loved right to the end. Thanks for caring for these sweet souls, Kerry - Original Message - From: Tim Lyons To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 7:50 PM Subject: Miss Kitty has gone to Rainbow Bridge Hi folks, I have only been lurking on the list for the past year or so. Some of you may remember me. I lost Cher, Midnight, Lisa and Suzy to the leukemia in a 6 month period in 2004. Today, we came home to find their mother, Miss Kitty dead. She had been having some kidney issues related to the leukemia, but was responding to the medications. Just last night, she had caught a small lizard. She was OK this morning. She ate her breakfast, she's been scratching on her scratching pad and acting only a little less than she would normally. This whole ride with her and the kittens has been tough. It's our first experience with FeLV and it's been HELL! I still wouldn't have put her & the kittens to sleep when we rescued them in July 2003. I just couldn't do it. Our vet recommended the same fate for Miss Kitty when we took her there about a month ago when her kidney issues flaired. We gave her 3 years of life that she would not have had otherwise and I don't regret any of it. She was a sweet, precious soul who didn't deserve the fate God handed her. May she rest softly with her babies at Rainbow Bridge. Please add her to the Candlelight Service for Monday. Thanks for being there when I needed you all. Brenda Lyons
Re: How is Shakiti today?
Elizabeth, So glad you hear Shakiti *wants* to eat, and is happily eating from your hand. Give the little sweetheart a big hug from me, Kerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 4:37 PM Subject: Re: How is Shakiti today? He tried to take a few bites from the dried food buffet today but wasn't able to keep it down. I'm still giving him something for upset tummy and he's doing a good job of letting mommy feed him the a/d. He seems to be feeling good otherwise though and he's been a complete angel about taking his medicine. In a message dated 6/24/2006 3:56:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey Elizabeth,How is Shakiti doing today? Is he eating on his ownyet?:)Wendy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Shakiti Update
Sending positives vibes by the zillion for Shakiti's appetite to just get better and better. (I've always found finger feeding easier than syringe -- there's something very satisfying about having them lick it off your finger too. I recall someone (who was that, guys?) in the group making us chuckle about her kitty who got to like the finger-feel method so much that he still insisted on it way after he got better--wouldn't eat any other way! Kerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:39 PM Subject: Re: Shakiti Update I put just a tiny bit of the a/d on my finger...held the boy and talked to him and then put that tiny bit just inside his teeth and he ate it. I told him how good and how smart he was. He just looked like his tummy was bothering him (the ears were a dead give-a-way) but he held it down for 30 minutes and that is the best we've done so far. I'm not going to rush it at all because I want it to stay down - but in about 30 minutes or so I think I'll give him another bite. It might make him feel better just to have a little something in his tummy if he can keep it in there. In a message dated 6/23/2006 1:26:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just started to respond to your other email and was going to tell you I felt a whole lot better about Shakiti after you told me you had withheld food when you got home. It sounds like he just has to have his appetite jump-started. I sure do hope so. He may be less likely to want to eat after being left at the vet's again. Poor guy, he must be a nervous wreck. Do your best to be calm and optimistic Elizabeth, he'll pick up on your tension level and respond accordingly. Give him some time to relax when you get him home and tell him if he eats, you won't have to bring him to the vet's again! When and if you attempt the assist feeding, think of it like feeding a baby, (an uncooperative one with claws!). I think 1cc may be a little too much to try "squirting" in his mouth at a time, go very slow and let him taste it and decide if he may actually be hungry after all. Have a small plate ready to shove under his nose if he seems interested, he may just start eating on his own. Remember to breathe when you watch his response! I'd start with baby food because most cats like that and there's a better chance you'll pique his hunger. Instead of attempting the assist-feeding, see if you can gently finger or spoon a little food into his mouth to entice him to eat.If you are going to tempt him with cream, pick him up some goat's milk at the grocery store when you get the baby food. It's better for them than cow's milk, get the fresh instead of the canned if they have it. You might as well stock up on yummy things to temp him with while your there, so go ahead and get the cow's cream, sour cream, yogurt, fresh salmon, if he likes fish, a chick breast if he likes chicken etc., baby food, (meat flavors, no veggies or grains), and any other sort of human food you think he'll like. Dice the raw chicken/meat into very small pieces and pop a tablespoon into the microwave to just warm it, the edges will change color, but most of it will still be raw. Make sure it's not to hot and hopefully the aroma will get him eating. I hesitate to say it, but I have a very good feeling that your little trouble maker is going to be fine. P.S. I like most of what you've told us about your vet, but I don't care what he says about it being okay for Shakiti to not eat for a couple of days, do your best to get him eating again. Do you know how to test for dehydration? Lift the skin on his scruff and make sure it bounces back quickly, if it just holds the shape of your "pinch" you've got trouble.Nina
Re: Bandy is better
That is just the best news, Kerry! We're all celebrating with you. big hugs to Bandy, Kerry - Original Message - From: Kerry Roach To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 4:15 AM Subject: Bandy is better Well, I think Bandy has finally turned the corner after 10 awful days..I don't want to jinx him as usually when I report something good...something else happens..But I wanted you all to know..On Wed..I found him sitting up in his bed for the first time in about 10 days..then about 5am on Thurs morning, he was walking all over the room and followed me around...actually talking to me which is always a good sign..The leg is still sore, but he is using it some now and not dragging it around anymore..He has lost around a pound..he is down to 7#2.5oz. so now I have to try to get him fattened up again..I guess the 1000cc of fluid that he has had in the last week is what kept him going...I took him in on Thurs. for another adequan injection..so we are on hold for the metacam for now..I give him torbutrol for pain if he needs it...his temp was 102.8, but that is where it has been for the last week so that is good for him..I don't know if I mentioned this, but Tues. we put him on 2cc of clindamycin twice a day which is a mega dose for a bone infection just in case that is what was causing some of this..I have had one of those in the past and they don't always show up on xray..I asked her if we could do this just in case that was what was causing all this leg problem so I don't know if that is what has made the difference or not..but it sure won't hurt.. Anyway, I really appreciate you all being here as you always are during a difficult time..you never know when you are going to need the info and it always helps to have it on hand...You guys are the greatest!! Thanks again, Kerry, Bandy, Inky and Angels Buster, Lil Rascal and Snoopy How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates.
Re: Shakiti Update
Have you tried finger feeding him meantime Elizabeth? I had to do that with my Flavia and Caramel for a while--I gave them the high-cal Hills prescription food from vet--they were happy to take it from my finger. (They cdn't smell the food and if cats can't smell, they have no inclination to eat for themselves--once it was smeared inside their mouths they were able to taste/eat it.) Can't find your orig post but so glad he coughed up the rogue floss. Love your drawings which I saw for first time today. They are out of this world. Kerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 9:33 PM Subject: Re: Shakiti Update I'm just a little worried about the boy. He doesn't seem to be eating. Just tried to tempt him with some chicken broth but no such luck. He did eat a little treat but tossed it back up shortly thereafter. I may call the vet in the morning. Going down there anyway to get Mama Kitty her B12 shot. In a message dated 6/22/2006 10:03:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Elizabeth,What a fantastic story!!! I am so happy that Shakiticoughed the floss up! Yea! I will pray that hecontinues to improve and by tomorrow, there are nosigns of any problems at all, and he's back to normal!:)Wendy--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> As soon as the vet got in from lunch - I called him.> They had been watching > Shakiti all afternoon and given him peroxide as an> emetic...but no sign of > dental floss. > > We discussed the prospects of surgery. He said he> really hated to do > unnecessary surgery - but on the other hand didn't> want to put Shakiti's health and > life at risk. I told him I really did not know> what would be best for my > boy and he said that he would be willing for me to> watch him a day or two. He > felt that if Shakiti made it through Friday without> any problems - he would > probably be ok. > > I told them I would be there in a bit and that I> would stay up all night > with him if necessary. > > I said prayers all the way there. > > When I got there, I expected to just pay the bill -> get my boy and go - but > they called me back into a room and said,> 'Elizabeth, we have a problem'. My > heart sank. I think it stopped beating. I could > feel the tears starting to > burn.> > *graphic description alert*> In a bit, the doctor and the vet tech came out with> a folded towel. They > opened up the towel and there were a number of spots> of bright red blood along > about an 8 inch streak that Shakiti had> regurgitated. They told me the blood > was a bad sign. They said - all day we have been> watching for Shakiti to > throw up and nothing...but while you were on the > way here, he started to vomit. > > > Well...I looked at it carefully...and the vet tech> looked at it > carefully...and then we both looked right at each> other and said 'Wait a minute! What's > that?!?' > > What was it? Just a big wad of dental floss. The> doctor got some tweezers > and it stretched out nearly 2 feet!> *end graphic content*> > Oh my goodness -- you can't imagine the waves of> relief and the change in my > face, the doctor's face and the vet tech's face. It> was the whole piece - > unbroken. The doctor believes now that the blood> must have been from retching > the foul thing up -- he said that is not uncommon in> cats.> > They wanted to keep the baby overnight but I made> 'big eyes' and said, > 'Couldn't I take him home and watch over him?' -- I> just know that I would watch > and baby him like crazy and spoil him rotten while> they would have to leave > him overnight. They agreed. > > They gave him a steroid shot to decrease any> inflammation and some demerol > for pain and discomfort. I am to watch for any> further signs of vomiting or > if he hides like he feels bad and tomorrow I can> start him on canned food if > he feels ok.> > He is being a perfect angel and he has forgiven me> completely. He's staring > into space happy as a clam with his demerol buzz. > Everytime I tell him how > good he is - he smiles at me and purrs. > > Oh! And the great news is the Shakiti tested> negative for FeVL today. His > shots are up to date and as soon as he feels better> he can wreak havoc and > pester Tiffany just like good ol' times.> > Mama Kitty still looks great -- although I've got to> have a little > discussion with her about the headless baby bunny> gift she left for me this afternoon.> > Thanks for being there you guysyou rock.> > p.s. Always, always flush your flos
Re: o/t advice needed
wow, great, novel idea--thanks Kiley! - Original Message - From: "Kiley Dozier-Bosanko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 6:55 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed > Kerry, > I'm not sure if this will work because Kitty probably isn't as playful as my > younger kitties, but it's worth a try. When I was introducing my two > kitties I made a toy out of two catnip scented mice tied together with a > ribbon. I put the ribbon under a shut door with one cat in each room and > one toy on each side. Every time one kitty would grab a mouse it would make > the other mouse move. It really helped my cats get used to eachother, > without the intimidation of being face to face. If your friend has a toy > that she knows kitty really likes, it might be enough to entice her to play > and it sounds like Danny is desperate for some feline comanionship. > Kiley
Re: Update: Need more prayers for my little babies..
What a relief that Waku and Lizzy's temps have gone down, Hideyo107 is very scary indeed. Sending zillions of healing vibes for your babies. (I also just sent you a separate topic, off-list direct email Hideyo--wd appreciate if you cd read when you have a spare moment.) Kerry - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: Hideyo Yamamoto ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: RE: Update: Need more prayers for my little babies.. Thank you for all your prayers for my little kittens --- Waku’s temperature got almost to 107 yesterday and was scared for a while.. but today,, both Lizzy’s and Waku’s temperature were down to 102 to 103.. and am hoping that they will only continue to be a normal temp.. again, thank so much for your prayers.. From: Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:48 AMTo: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'Subject: Need more prayers for my little babies.. Hi, I know I ask you this a lot… but I need more prayers for my babies form you guys.. If you remember I rescued two day old kitten about five weeks ago..she has been doing great… And also Waku, who was having a difficult time putting weight.. and she has put some weight and been doing great… but now, both of them are running a very very high fever between 104 and 105.5 --- I usually don’t freak out high fevers as I have lots of experience with my babies in the past.. Low fever though… I freak out.. Anyway,, Waku’s third eye lid is covering a half of her eyes (actually there is some viral thing going on in my house.. about 6 or so of my adult kitties start showing third eye lid with no other symptoms.. and goes away in a couple of months..).. and she looks very very not feeling well…. Please please pray that these two babies will fever will go down soon and they will go back to where they usually are feeling.. thank you!! Hideyo
Re: o/t advice needed
You're right--great value. I bought one of these for Tiger but it was no good for him--he just went to the end and continued to pee over the side! Now, for him, I use the highest regular litter box I can get, with lid (never been able to find *long* one with lid). - Original Message - From: "Nina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:49 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed > Kerry, > It sounds like space is an issue for your friend, but I've bought those > big tubs they sell at Home Depot for mixing small batches of cement to > use as litterboxes when aversion is a problem. They're really cheap and > most cats like the added space they afford. > Nina > > > Marylyn wrote: > > > Please tell her the Rubbermaid or generic is a lot less expensive than > > regular litter boxes. > > >
Re: o/t advice needed
Thanks Kris--B will also be much encouraged by your email--problem sounds pretty similar! - Original Message - From: "gwork" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 10:37 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed > My house is divided into two parts because I have two cats that just will > not get along. To make a long story short, I finally realized that whenever > the other 4 cats were in our bedroom sleeping and I let Spaz or Gizmo into > the "other" part of the house, Spaz was using their litter boxes. Every > single time this would happen, it would initiate a round of spraying from > one or two of the others. However, they did mostly limit their spraying to > the litter box area, so Danny's sounds different, but my opinion is it > couldn't hurt, at least for the time being. They can feel threatened if > they have to share, especially when Kitty is reacting this way to Danny. If > she was more accepting, none of this would probably be happening. It is > very similar to what I went through with Gizmo and Motley. Oh, also, when we > were still trying to get those two to get along, it got so bad that Gizmo > was terrified to go anywhere at all in the house, and would stay on top of > the cupboard until she simply couldn't stand it any longer, go to the > nearest rug, and relieve herself of diarrhea from waiting so long. It took > me a little bit to figure out what was going on (I thought Spaz was having > bowel problems at first), but obviously, after that, I knew I had to > separate them. At that time, though, I did not know about all these other > helpful products, so that could've made a difference. Anyway, I give your > friend much credit for making this much of an effort and trying. I hope it > will settle down soon. > > Kris > http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com > - Original Message - > From: "Kerry MacKenzie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:41 PM > Subject: Re: o/t advice needed > > > >A big thankyou from my friend re Danny (& Kitty)follows below. > > Also a rundown of what she's now doing (but before she got the latest tips > > from you wonderful people). > > D'you think she really *should* be putting each litterbox in a different > > room. (It also sounds like she still has just the 2 boxes.) > > Many thanks to everyone again. > > Kerry > > > > > > Hi Kerry, > > > > Would you please send everyone my heartfelt THANKS for all the good > > advice?! > > This is wonderful. > > > > So far I've done > > Separate litterboxes; Rescue Remedy in his water and a drop on his paw; 15 > > minutes of play time every night; sitting with him and reading or watching > > TV; he is starting to respond to my calling his name. He also knows when > > he's NOT supposed to do something when I say his name, like jumping on the > > dining table. Danny has claimed the living room and has his own dark, > > quiet > > corner between the couch and book shelf, lined with a catnip mat, where he > > can cuddle and feel safe; he's VERY curious and has checked out every inch > > of my apartment so far, likes to sit in the living room windows and watch > > the birds. He is starting to get a hang of our routine - meowing for food > > when I get up in the morning, petting time when I do exercise in the > > living > > room in the morning (this time is just for him). Meowing for treats and > > food when I get home from work. > > > > Kitty gets lots of attention, sleeps with me and I make sure to talk to > > her > > as much as possible. I try to keep as much of our old routine as possible. > > She get holistic animal medical drops "Jealousy" in her water. She has > > retreated into the bedroom 90% of the time and I make a point to bring her > > into the kitchen with me for interaction, so I can spend more time with > > her. > > She is very nervous and anxious and will absolutely not let Danny near her > > (she has never allowed any other cat near her). If Danny comes near, she > > gets very aggressive, growls and the chases him away, screeching. Danny > > is > > confused by this. He wants to make contact and, I think, play. She is > > afraid to use her litterbox because Danny is around. I will not put her > > litterbox and food in the bedroom because I don't want to separate > > everything! Kitty has NEVER wanted to go outside and now she constantly > > tries to run out the back door when I'm going out to water the plants. > > Seems like she does not want to be in the same place as Danny. > > > > I will use the other tips and hope Danny will stop peeing and spraying. > > He > > also started to pee in the bathroom and now on the kitchen floor (just > > found > > it yesterday). > > > > Keep my fingers crossed that it will get better soon! > > B > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: o/t advice needed
Hmm...I must try that myself (for Tiger--who still has his not infrequent moments)! - Original Message - From: "gwork" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 11:17 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed > Yes, my mother has also had good experience with placing a litter box near > the mishap, as well. > > Kris > http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com > - Original Message - > From: "Nina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 8:22 PM > Subject: Re: o/t advice needed > > > > Hey Kerry, > > Thank you for keeping us posted on Danny's progress. It does sound like > > his new momma is a kind woman and willing to work with him and "Kitty" in > > making the transition. I think she's a bit crazy if she's still being > > stubborn about not wanting to separate the litter boxes though! I'd go > > out and buy three more, (poor Miss Kitty, she shouldn't have to be nervous > > about using her litterbox). I've been known to strewn them all over the > > house. I've found that if someone is having accidents, (territorially > > motivated or not), if I put a litterbox near the mishap, they end up using > > it instead of the floor or wall. Tell her to watch her geriatric Kitty > > very closely, what a terrible turn of events that would be if she dashed > > out the door and something happened to her before she adjusted to her new > > brother. > > Hugs, > > Nina > > > > Kerry MacKenzie wrote: > > > >>A big thankyou from my friend re Danny (& Kitty)follows below. > >> > > > > > > > >
Re: o/t advice needed
Thanks Nina!--that's what i wanted to hear before I give B my 2 cents worth (re the boxes). Yes, she has always been very dedicated to Kitty, so i really hope she perseveres with Danny. It was her mention of "giving it a month" that sent shivers down my spine when i got back. And lost me no time in directing the prob to the wonderful list. I hope now that she feels she's getting all this wonderful info and support she'll keep ploughing on. Kerry - Original Message - From: "Nina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:22 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed > Hey Kerry, > Thank you for keeping us posted on Danny's progress. It does sound > like his new momma is a kind woman and willing to work with him and > "Kitty" in making the transition. I think she's a bit crazy if she's > still being stubborn about not wanting to separate the litter boxes > though! I'd go out and buy three more, (poor Miss Kitty, she shouldn't > have to be nervous about using her litterbox). I've been known to > strewn them all over the house. I've found that if someone is having > accidents, (territorially motivated or not), if I put a litterbox near > the mishap, they end up using it instead of the floor or wall. Tell her > to watch her geriatric Kitty very closely, what a terrible turn of > events that would be if she dashed out the door and something happened > to her before she adjusted to her new brother. > Hugs, > Nina > > Kerry MacKenzie wrote: > > >A big thankyou from my friend re Danny (& Kitty)follows below. > > > > > >
Re: o/t advice needed
thank you thank you again Marylyn. A Q-- >>Kitty may not like her litter box in the same area as her litter box unless this has always been the setup<< did you mean as "Danny's litter box" (Danny only arived a couple of weeks ago)---just want to clarify before I fwd to B! thanks, Kerry - Original Message - From: "Marylyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:08 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed > I would put the litter boxes as far away from each other as possible. Kitty > may not like her litter box in the same area as her litter box unless this > has always been the setup. I strongly urge the use of Feliway. Some of the > larger stores carry it and a lot of vets do. I have never had any luck with > the kind you plug in, just the spray on. > > > > > > > > > If you have men who will > exclude any of God's creatures > from the shelter of > compassion and pity, you will have men who > will deal likewise with > their fellow man. > St. > Francis > - Original Message - > From: "Kerry MacKenzie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 5:41 PM > Subject: Re: o/t advice needed > > > >A big thankyou from my friend re Danny (& Kitty)follows below. > > Also a rundown of what she's now doing (but before she got the latest tips > > from you wonderful people). > > D'you think she really *should* be putting each litterbox in a different > > room. (It also sounds like she still has just the 2 boxes.) > > Many thanks to everyone again. > > Kerry > > > > > > Hi Kerry, > > > > Would you please send everyone my heartfelt THANKS for all the good > > advice?! > > This is wonderful. > > > > So far I've done > > Separate litterboxes; Rescue Remedy in his water and a drop on his paw; 15 > > minutes of play time every night; sitting with him and reading or watching > > TV; he is starting to respond to my calling his name. He also knows when > > he's NOT supposed to do something when I say his name, like jumping on the > > dining table. Danny has claimed the living room and has his own dark, > > quiet > > corner between the couch and book shelf, lined with a catnip mat, where he > > can cuddle and feel safe; he's VERY curious and has checked out every inch > > of my apartment so far, likes to sit in the living room windows and watch > > the birds. He is starting to get a hang of our routine - meowing for food > > when I get up in the morning, petting time when I do exercise in the > > living > > room in the morning (this time is just for him). Meowing for treats and > > food when I get home from work. > > > > Kitty gets lots of attention, sleeps with me and I make sure to talk to > > her > > as much as possible. I try to keep as much of our old routine as possible. > > She get holistic animal medical drops "Jealousy" in her water. She has > > retreated into the bedroom 90% of the time and I make a point to bring her > > into the kitchen with me for interaction, so I can spend more time with > > her. > > She is very nervous and anxious and will absolutely not let Danny near her > > (she has never allowed any other cat near her). If Danny comes near, she > > gets very aggressive, growls and the chases him away, screeching. Danny > > is > > confused by this. He wants to make contact and, I think, play. She is > > afraid to use her litterbox because Danny is around. I will not put her > > litterbox and food in the bedroom because I don't want to separate > > everything! Kitty has NEVER wanted to go outside and now she constantly > > tries to run out the back door when I'm going out to water the plants. > > Seems like she does not want to be in the same place as Danny. > > > > I will use the other tips and hope Danny will stop peeing and spraying. > > He > > also started to pee in the bathroom and now on the kitchen floor (just > > found > > it yesterday). > > > > Keep my fingers crossed that it will get better soon! > > B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 6/20/2006 > > > > > >
Re: o/t advice needed
Are these lid-less, Marylyn? (She may feel safer with lids) - Original Message - From: "Marylyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:38 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed > Please tell her the Rubbermaid or generic is a lot less expensive than > regular litter boxes. > > > > > > > If you have men who will > exclude any of God's creatures > from the shelter of > compassion and pity, you will have men who > will deal likewise with > their fellow man. > St. > Francis > - Original Message - > From: "Nina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:22 PM > Subject: Re: o/t advice needed > > > > Hey Kerry, > > Thank you for keeping us posted on Danny's progress. It does sound like > > his new momma is a kind woman and willing to work with him and "Kitty" in > > making the transition. I think she's a bit crazy if she's still being > > stubborn about not wanting to separate the litter boxes though! I'd go > > out and buy three more, (poor Miss Kitty, she shouldn't have to be nervous > > about using her litterbox). I've been known to strewn them all over the > > house. I've found that if someone is having accidents, (territorially > > motivated or not), if I put a litterbox near the mishap, they end up using > > it instead of the floor or wall. Tell her to watch her geriatric Kitty > > very closely, what a terrible turn of events that would be if she dashed > > out the door and something happened to her before she adjusted to her new > > brother. > > Hugs, > > Nina > > > > Kerry MacKenzie wrote: > > > >>A big thankyou from my friend re Danny (& Kitty)follows below. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 6/20/2006 > > > > > >
Re: o/t advice needed
A big thankyou from my friend re Danny (& Kitty)follows below. Also a rundown of what she's now doing (but before she got the latest tips from you wonderful people). D'you think she really *should* be putting each litterbox in a different room. (It also sounds like she still has just the 2 boxes.) Many thanks to everyone again. Kerry Hi Kerry, Would you please send everyone my heartfelt THANKS for all the good advice?! This is wonderful. So far I've done Separate litterboxes; Rescue Remedy in his water and a drop on his paw; 15 minutes of play time every night; sitting with him and reading or watching TV; he is starting to respond to my calling his name. He also knows when he's NOT supposed to do something when I say his name, like jumping on the dining table. Danny has claimed the living room and has his own dark, quiet corner between the couch and book shelf, lined with a catnip mat, where he can cuddle and feel safe; he's VERY curious and has checked out every inch of my apartment so far, likes to sit in the living room windows and watch the birds. He is starting to get a hang of our routine - meowing for food when I get up in the morning, petting time when I do exercise in the living room in the morning (this time is just for him). Meowing for treats and food when I get home from work. Kitty gets lots of attention, sleeps with me and I make sure to talk to her as much as possible. I try to keep as much of our old routine as possible. She get holistic animal medical drops "Jealousy" in her water. She has retreated into the bedroom 90% of the time and I make a point to bring her into the kitchen with me for interaction, so I can spend more time with her. She is very nervous and anxious and will absolutely not let Danny near her (she has never allowed any other cat near her). If Danny comes near, she gets very aggressive, growls and the chases him away, screeching. Danny is confused by this. He wants to make contact and, I think, play. She is afraid to use her litterbox because Danny is around. I will not put her litterbox and food in the bedroom because I don't want to separate everything! Kitty has NEVER wanted to go outside and now she constantly tries to run out the back door when I'm going out to water the plants. Seems like she does not want to be in the same place as Danny. I will use the other tips and hope Danny will stop peeing and spraying. He also started to pee in the bathroom and now on the kitchen floor (just found it yesterday). Keep my fingers crossed that it will get better soon! B
Re: Chester Not Eating
Hi again Lisa, How is Chester today? Here's the chicken broth I mentioned. I made it loads of times for my Felv kitties, and froze it. It's much easier than the length of the recipe implies. You just need to make it when you're home for several hours as it needs to simmer for 3-5 hrs. Sending healing vibes for the little sweetheart. I hope he's eating today. hugs, Kerry (Everything between here and the end of recipe is Frazier's words.) High Calcium Chicken Broth: Your own homemade chicken broth will be full of calcium and nutrients. Here's how to make it: 2 to 3lb chicken (I prefer thighs) 1 lb chicken necks and backs water to cover 1/4 cup tomato juice (not V8 juice) Put all chicken into a soup pot large enough so the chicken fills the pot only halfway. Cover with water until water is one to two inches above chicken. Cover the pot loosely (tip the lid). Bring to a low simmer. Simmer three to five hours, occasionally breaking up the chicken and adding more water if necessary. During the last hour remove the lid and let the water cook down until the chicken is barely covered. Broth is now deliciously strong. Pour off broth, cool to room temperature, and then store in refrigerator. While the broth is cooling, pour enough cold water over the chicken left in the pot to cover. Then let it cool some more until it's cool enough for you to be able to touch. With your hands, knead, squeeze, and stir the chicken around in the water to get all the good out of the meat and into the water. The water will begin to look milky. Finally, take handfuls of chicken meat, wring out the liquid into the pot, and throw the meat away. (The hours of simmering have succeeded in transferring the usable nutrition from the meat into the broth. What little nutrition is left in the meat at this point would be largely indigestible.) Leave the bones and the broth behind in the pot. Pour this broth off and store it with the first batch of broth. Transfer the bones into a smaller pot. Crack them up so they form a fairly compact mass in the bottom of the pan. Cover the bones with water and add the one-fourth cup tomato juice. Simmer one-half to one hour. Pour off this broth, again combining it with the other broth. Throw the bones away. Store about two cups of the broth in a jar in the refrigerator; store the rest in the freezer in pint-size covered freezer containers to be thawed as needed. To thaw, stand the container in a bowl of hot water. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "felv" Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:55 AM Subject: Chester Not Eating
Re: Chester Not Eating
Lisa, Sending prayers for Chester, and Timmy. Mine used to enjoy chicken broth (from Anitra Frazier's Natural Cat book) when they were poorly. Will send the recipe from my work computer tomorrow. Kerry - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "felv" Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:55 AM Subject: Chester Not Eating > Good Morning, > Hope you all had a good weekend. Chester did not do good this weekend. It > was hot out in 90s. I kept him in basement and kept putting wash rag w/cold > water on him. Basement was very cool and his body should be able to > regulate temp. Was not moving around much-took his temp and I thought he > might have fever but it was good 101. Yesterday he did not eat or drink. > Should I try Pedialyte? Do they like the taste? Tried everything-canned > tuna, turkey lunch meat, and treats. Has baby food worked? Any ideas? Has > gone to the bathroom, eyes and gums look good, is responsive to our voices > but no energy. Is this just the heat? We got a CVC Wed and results were > very good-healty blood. But bad news too-my other cat Timmy is also > positive. Scheduled retest in 8 weeks and praying for false positives. > Thanks, > Lisa > > -- > WOW! Homepage (http://www.wowway.com) > >
Re: Cornell website and misinformation
I second that. It's shameful of Cornell to continue posting such outdated info. Should we ask James if he would take it off this website? I remember being astonished at its inaccuracy years ago, and being bewildered as to why a body as supposedly authoritative as Cornell would post such misleading info. - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:14 PM Subject: Cornell website and misinformation Belinda,Thank you for taking the time to dispel some of the misinformation on the Cornell site. They aren't the only source of what people would suspect to be reliable information that causes more harm than good in the public's perception of felv. It think that many in the veterinary community take the approach of "safety" first and they err on the side of caution. Unfortunately that causes panic and hopelessness. Every vet, (and guardian for that matter), that is enlightened is a victory for all our special needs kids. Keep fighting the good fight girl,NinaBelinda wrote: In my opinion and my opinion only, some of their info is outdated and incorrect, espeically when it comes to transmitting the virus and how long it survives in the enviornment. Last time I was on their website looking up info the way they presented it in my opinion is by using scare tactics and for that reason many people going to their website for info along with a vet that doesn't know anything realistic about it will opt to take their vets advise and euthanize a positive cat. I've had people call me and specifically quote stuff they read on Cornell's website and says they had seriously thought about euthanizing the positive they found and then thankfully looked around some more and atleast got enough conflicting info to reconsider. >From their website: "FeLV doesn't survive long outside a cat's body—probably less than a few hours under normal household conditions." Any vet I've EVER asked about this say's it doesn't live anywhere near this long, some think a minute or two, some think seconds, NOBODY thinks up to an hour under any circumstances. "It is impossible to accurately predict the life expectancy of a cat infected with FeLV. With appropriate care and under ideal conditions, infected cats can remain in apparent good health for many months, although most succumb to a FeLV-related disease within two or three years after becoming infected. If your cat has already experienced one or more severe illnesses as a result of FeLV infection, or if persistent fever, weight loss, or cancer is present, a much shorter survival time can be expected." Not necassarily true. My Frankie was sick every single year with a URI, pretty bad ones, in December. I finally let my vet test him at about 7 years of age. He was positive, indoor only and I suspect born with it or got it shortly after birth (I got Frankie in a bar when he was about 3 weeks old, couldn't even eat real food yet). He lived to be 9 years old still getting his usual URI in December and finally succumbed to anemia which my then vet had no idea how to treat other than with transfusions which she told me would only work for a while and he would suffer. His HCT was at 6% when he finally displayed any sign to me that there was something wrong. And really the only sign I got that told me something was wrong was that he wasn't staying in bed with me as he usually did every night all of his 9 years. He still weighted 18 pounds, was eating fine, and not really sleeping more or lethargic. He hid it so good by the time we did find it it was pretty much too late to do anything for him, I lost him the night we diagnosed him. "Feline leukemia virus will not survive outside the cat for more than a few hours in most environments. However, FeLV-infected cats are frequently infected with other hardier infectious agents, and these may pose some threat to a newcomer. Thoroughly clean and disinfect or replace food and water dishes, bedding, litter pans and toys. A dilute solution of household bleach (4 ounces of bleach in a gallon of water) makes an excellent disinfectant. Vacuum carpets and mop floors. Any new cats or kittens should be properly vaccinated before entering the household." As I said before as far as I'm concerned "Feline leukemia virus will not survive outside the cat for more than a few hours in most environments." is not true and almost all the FeLV positives that I'm aware if have died from anemia or some type of cancer and to my knowledge neither of these is contagious. Very few FeLV positive cats in todays world die from URI's or something else similar that a healthy cat probably wouldn't even get. It happens I'm sure though not to the extent that they try to make it sound like and therefore unnecessarily scare people. Anyone who has an outbreak of Panleukemia or something else as contagious that is not limited to FeLV+'s as they are trying to make
Re: Please pray for Bandy
Sending prayers for Bandy, Kerry. I'm glad he's eating, and by himself, even if it's not a huge amount. (It's always so comforting, isn't it, when you know they're getting food inside them.) Kerry - Original Message - From: Kerry Roach To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 4:24 PM Subject: Re: Please pray for Bandy I guess he is holding his own right now..He did eat a few bites of dry food this morning which is the first time in almost a week..I am feeding him salmon with corn oil which he has always liked..He doesn't eat alot, but he is doing it himself..That makes me feel better...He has gone to his box around 7 times since yesterday and made it back to his bed without my help..He does this when I am away..so I guess he is drinking some water..He did receive another 200cc of sub-q fluids on Sunday...I am going to take him to see the doctor on Tues..as he still has something going on..He almost seems to have a sore throat.. I am trying not to stress him out too much so I have been spreading his treatments out more so he can have more time to rest.. Thanks again for all of your prayers and support.. Kerry and Bandy Do you Yahoo!?Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Re: Samantha's Prognosis
Sending prayers for your dear Samantha, Julia. Kerry - Original Message - From: "Julia Hagstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:37 PM Subject: Samantha's Prognosis > Hi, all :( > > Well, I have good news and bad news. The good news is that Samantha > doesn't have FIV or FIP, just FelV. The bad news is that the tumor in > her chest is definitely Mediastinal lymphoma, and it's in her lymph > nodes, unfortunately. :( I can give her chemo and radiation and > prolong her life for 3-4 months, or I can simply leave her be (they > gave her Prednisone, short-term chemo, and something to keep her from > having an allergic reaction to the chemo, today). She is better, and > they drained some more fluid out of her, to test it for lymphoma cells, > as my regular vet hadn't done that, yet; she wanted to see what I > wanted to do, first. I now have to decide whether to spend almost > $1700.00 and get her the radiation and chemo that will prolong her life > for 3-4 months or just leave her be, and my inclination is to leave her > be, and keep her home until she is suffering too much to do anything > except let her go, with regular checkups from my regular vet, of > course. I have meds to give her and they took her off the Lasix, as > her body is producing more fluid than the Lasix can help her get rid of > quickly, and all the other meds she was on except the antiobiotic, and > they have me giving her one pill, once a day (don't remember what it > is) and Children's Benadryl from the drugstore. Please pray for us, > and any advice you care to offer is gratefully accepted. I need all > the support and advice you care to give. Thanks for all your support. > > Julia Hagstrom > >
Re: o/t advice needed
Again thanks Nina---I wonder if she even has 2 water bowls. I'll mention this too. - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 3:43 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed Good idea Marylyn. I wonder if the flower essences we were discussing on the list would help too. I would try the RR, "Emergency" and "Relationship". She could add them to the water, (use either the RR or the "Emergency"), or dab a bit on the inside tip of Danny's ears, (if he doesn't mind her touching him). Darla says that cats who don't respond to one will sometimes respond to the other. I sent a link for the Australian FEs to the list a while you were gone, if you can't find it, I'll send it again. It's worth a try. I'd put the Relationship in both the cat's water bowls.NinaMarylyn wrote: Additional idea that has worked for me: Spray Feliway on her hands and clothes before she visits Danny. He will feel so much more at home with her.
Re: o/t advice needed
Another great idea--thank you, thank you Marylyn! - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 3:36 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed Additional idea that has worked for me: Spray Feliway on her hands and clothes before she visits Danny. He will feel so much more at home with her. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:05 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed <>Kerry,However small B's, dwelling space is, she should have a bathroom. Tell her to make it comfortable for Danny's in there, (the suggestion of a piece of clothing belonging to his former mistress as bedding is a very good one). Keep food and water down, (as far away from the litter box as she can). If she can rig the "high walled" litter box, he might prefer it. She needs to give him a space of his own until he can adjust to his new circumstances. She should visit him in there, but not be pushy with him. Just go in with a book and sit on the floor and read near him. Talk softly and convince him that he is welcome and that none of this is his fault. He'll be much more likely to use the litterbox, (and get used to using the litter box) if he feels safe and it's convenient. Not to mention, it will be the most desirable place for him to go in a small space. Lastly, she should reassure "her" cat that this will in no way infringe on how she treats or feels about him. When things calm down, she should shut her cat in the bedroom and allow Danny, under supervision to make excursions into the rest of her apt. He may not want to venture out at first, that's okay, just leave the door open for him and let him take his time. After a while, put Danny back in the bathroom with a treat and cuddle time, (if he wants it), and release the other cat. She can also switch Danny to the bedroom and allow her other cat to explore Danny's bathroom, (when he's not in it). This way they can get used to each other's scent's and territory. I understand that some people think this sort of thing is a bother, but it's so much better than having your apt sprayed with urine, or having to find another home for poor Danny. It won't go on forever and she'll be doing everyone a tremendous favor by letting them take things in their own time and pace. Wish her luck from me and tell her thank you for taking Danny in.I'll talk to you soon about your hectic life! Nina> B already has one cat that she's had for 15 years and she was quite concerned about how the two would get along. B does not have the space to allow them to be introduced slowly so they were basically thrown together, and now Danny is peeing and spraying everywhere it seems. > No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 6/19/2006
Re: Need more prayers for my little babies..
Sending healing vibes for your little ones Hideyo. best, Kerry - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: Need more prayers for my little babies.. Hi, I know I ask you this a lot… but I need more prayers for my babies form you guys.. If you remember I rescued two day old kitten about five weeks ago..she has been doing great… And also Waku, who was having a difficult time putting weight.. and she has put some weight and been doing great… but now, both of them are running a very very high fever between 104 and 105.5 --- I usually don’t freak out high fevers as I have lots of experience with my babies in the past.. Low fever though… I freak out.. Anyway,, Waku’s third eye lid is covering a half of her eyes (actually there is some viral thing going on in my house.. about 6 or so of my adult kitties start showing third eye lid with no other symptoms.. and goes away in a couple of months..).. and she looks very very not feeling well…. Please please pray that these two babies will fever will go down soon and they will go back to where they usually are feeling.. thank you!! Hideyo
Re: o/t advice needed
Wonderful idea Kat-thankyou! - Original Message - From: "Kat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:14 AM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed > Hi Kerry, > > I agree with the advice from Marylyn, but want to add - > If there is any way to get some of the bedding or clothes > from Danny's original owner to put in the dark cubby, that > may help him adjust and settle in too. > > Kat (Mew Jersey) > > PS > I'm keeping you in my prayers too, and > sending gentle, soothing, stress-free vibes. > > > On Tue, 20 Jun 2006, Marylyn wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:47:32 -0500 > > From: Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: o/t advice needed > > > > My first thought is to try Feliway spray. It helps a lot. Then put Rescue > > Remedy in their water. Wash down every place Danny has peed with Odo Ban. > > He is just trying to claim some space for himself. Can you imagine how > > awful and abandoned he feels? How very alone? He doesn't understand what > > has happened to his person and why he is in this situation and whether it > > is a home for life or he will be thrown out again He > > is very confused and very frightened.The Odo Ban is the only product I > > have found that really works on cat urine. Make sure there are at least two > > litter boxes. Since Danny is spraying I would suggest getting 18 gallon > > Rubbermaid boxes and cutting a "doorway" in it so Danny has plenty of high > > walls to spray. Don't put the lid on it though. Make sure each cat is > > getting attention separately and has his own food bowl. Given the stress > > this has to be putting on your friend and Danny's predicament I should > > seriously consider getting some valium from my vet for Danny and see it that > > helps. Danny needs a special place of his own to hide. Again, if there is > > little space, try a Rubbermaid container, this time with the lid on it. Cut > > a cat size hole near the end of one long side and high. The objective is to > > give the cat as much dark, safe space inside the box as possible. By > > cutting the hole about midway up the box and toward the end you maximize > > that space. Put in hay, shredded newspaper...something Danny can bury in > > and feel safe in (again spray the box and contents with Feliway). Other > > ideas are to consult an Animal Communicator and a holistic vet as well as a > > regular vet. > > > > It is possible that all the stress Danny is under may have led to a UTI. A > > vet checkup is not a bad idea. > > > > Make sure your friend remembers her original cat and the stress that cat is > > under too. Some of the above may help it. > > > > Good luck. It sounds like you can use some. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have men who will > > exclude any of God's creatures > > from the shelter of > > compassion and pity, you will have men who > > will deal likewise with > > their fellow man. > > St. > > Francis > > - Original Message - > > From: "Kerry MacKenzie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:55 PM > > Subject: o/t advice needed > > > > > > > Hi all > > > I'm just back in the country again after 5 weeks FML, and once again my > > > condolences go to those of you who have lost beloved furkids, along with > > > my > > > heartfelt wishes to all the sick kitties for a speedy recovery. > > > I've come back to discover a friend, B, throwing her hands up in despair > > > over her new kitty Danny. (Danny had to find a new home as his guardian, a > > > neighbor of B's, entered a nursing home.) B already has one cat that she's > > > had for 15 years and she was quite concerned about how the two would get > > > along. B does not have the space to allow them to be introduced slowly so > > > they were basically thrown together, and now Danny is peeing and spraying > > > everywhere it seems. > > > Any tips/advice, you wonderful people? I'm very concerned from what she's > > > said that Danny will soon become homeless again, so I'll be very grateful > > > for any advice I can fwd to her. (I would get on the archives and do my > > > own > > > research but I've come back to a plumbing disaster, a friend who I fear > > > may > > > be on the brink of suicide and now my front tooth has fallen out.) > > > Thanks for all/any help. Love you all. hugs, Kerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: o/t advice needed
Another excellent idea that I'd not thought of. Thanks Kris! - Original Message - From: "gwork" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:00 AM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed > I agree also, especially about the stress on the cat and his need for > attention and space of his own. If it is possible, sometimes it helps to > have the litter boxes separate from each other, so that one cat can more so > have his "own" box. > > Kris > http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com > - Original Message - > From: "Kat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:14 AM > Subject: Re: o/t advice needed > > > > Hi Kerry, > > > > I agree with the advice from Marylyn, but want to add - > > If there is any way to get some of the bedding or clothes > > from Danny's original owner to put in the dark cubby, that > > may help him adjust and settle in too. > > > > Kat (Mew Jersey) > > > > PS > > I'm keeping you in my prayers too, and > > sending gentle, soothing, stress-free vibes. > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Jun 2006, Marylyn wrote: > > > >> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:47:32 -0500 > >> From: Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> Subject: Re: o/t advice needed > >> > >> My first thought is to try Feliway spray. It helps a lot. Then put > >> Rescue > >> Remedy in their water. Wash down every place Danny has peed with Odo > >> Ban. > >> He is just trying to claim some space for himself. Can you imagine how > >> awful and abandoned he feels? How very alone? He doesn't understand > >> what > >> has happened to his person and why he is in this situation and whether > >> it > >> is a home for life or he will be thrown out again > >> He > >> is very confused and very frightened.The Odo Ban is the only product > >> I > >> have found that really works on cat urine. Make sure there are at least > >> two > >> litter boxes. Since Danny is spraying I would suggest getting 18 gallon > >> Rubbermaid boxes and cutting a "doorway" in it so Danny has plenty of > >> high > >> walls to spray. Don't put the lid on it though. Make sure each cat is > >> getting attention separately and has his own food bowl. Given the stress > >> this has to be putting on your friend and Danny's predicament I should > >> seriously consider getting some valium from my vet for Danny and see it > >> that > >> helps. Danny needs a special place of his own to hide. Again, if there > >> is > >> little space, try a Rubbermaid container, this time with the lid on it. > >> Cut > >> a cat size hole near the end of one long side and high. The objective is > >> to > >> give the cat as much dark, safe space inside the box as possible. By > >> cutting the hole about midway up the box and toward the end you maximize > >> that space. Put in hay, shredded newspaper...something Danny can bury in > >> and feel safe in (again spray the box and contents with Feliway). Other > >> ideas are to consult an Animal Communicator and a holistic vet as well as > >> a > >> regular vet. > >> > >> It is possible that all the stress Danny is under may have led to a UTI. > >> A > >> vet checkup is not a bad idea. > >> > >> Make sure your friend remembers her original cat and the stress that cat > >> is > >> under too. Some of the above may help it. > >> > >> Good luck. It sounds like you can use some. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> If you have men who will > >> exclude any of God's creatures > >> from the shelter of > >> compassion and pity, you will have men who > >> will deal likewise with > >> their fellow man. > >> St. > >> Francis > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Kerry MacKenzie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: > >> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:55 PM > >> Subject: o/t advice needed > >> > >> > >> > Hi all > >> &
Re: Spraying problem
Thanks Beth--have passed onto B. >>he is always very polite about coughing up the occassional hairball, only does that in the bathtub!)<< PS Cd you please send Tigger here to give some charm lessons to my bunch! Kerry - Original Message - From: Gary Murphy To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 10:47 PM Subject: Spraying problem Hi Kerry, My brother had a problem with his big male, Tigger, pooping on one spot of his carpet. He put 2 sheets of tinfoil on the spot to discourage him, but they separated and Tiggy went on the one tiny little strip of carpet showing in between the sheets. I then bought him a bag of litter called "Dr. Elsey's Cat Attract" that has something irresistible to cats in it, and he hasn't had a problem since. Not sure if it would help with territorial spray marking, but it's worth a shot. (Not sure why Tigger decided to start going on the carpet to begin with, as he is always very polite about coughing up the occassional hairball, only does that in the bathtub!) Good Luck, Beth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: o/t advice needed
Thanks for that Nina. I really hope she does/tries this. Will keep you all posted. - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:05 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed <>Kerry,However small B's, dwelling space is, she should have a bathroom. Tell her to make it comfortable for Danny's in there, (the suggestion of a piece of clothing belonging to his former mistress as bedding is a very good one). Keep food and water down, (as far away from the litter box as she can). If she can rig the "high walled" litter box, he might prefer it. She needs to give him a space of his own until he can adjust to his new circumstances. She should visit him in there, but not be pushy with him. Just go in with a book and sit on the floor and read near him. Talk softly and convince him that he is welcome and that none of this is his fault. He'll be much more likely to use the litterbox, (and get used to using the litter box) if he feels safe and it's convenient. Not to mention, it will be the most desirable place for him to go in a small space. Lastly, she should reassure "her" cat that this will in no way infringe on how she treats or feels about him. When things calm down, she should shut her cat in the bedroom and allow Danny, under supervision to make excursions into the rest of her apt. He may not want to venture out at first, that's okay, just leave the door open for him and let him take his time. After a while, put Danny back in the bathroom with a treat and cuddle time, (if he wants it), and release the other cat. She can also switch Danny to the bedroom and allow her other cat to explore Danny's bathroom, (when he's not in it). This way they can get used to each other's scent's and territory. I understand that some people think this sort of thing is a bother, but it's so much better than having your apt sprayed with urine, or having to find another home for poor Danny. It won't go on forever and she'll be doing everyone a tremendous favor by letting them take things in their own time and pace. Wish her luck from me and tell her thank you for taking Danny in.I'll talk to you soon about your hectic life! Nina> B already has one cat that she's had for 15 years and she was quite concerned about how the two would get along. B does not have the space to allow them to be introduced slowly so they were basically thrown together, and now Danny is peeing and spraying everywhere it seems. >
Re: o/t advice needed
Thanks Marylyn. Have passed on all yr great advice. Will let you all know how things go. Yes, both cats are very very confused right now. But I feel most for poor Danny. It makes me so mad that nursing homes don't take pets. (I believe a rare few do.) - Original Message - From: "Marylyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:47 AM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed > My first thought is to try Feliway spray. It helps a lot. Then put Rescue > Remedy in their water. Wash down every place Danny has peed with Odo Ban. > He is just trying to claim some space for himself. Can you imagine how > awful and abandoned he feels? How very alone? He doesn't understand what > has happened to his person and why he is in this situation and whether it > is a home for life or he will be thrown out again He > is very confused and very frightened.The Odo Ban is the only product I > have found that really works on cat urine. Make sure there are at least two > litter boxes. Since Danny is spraying I would suggest getting 18 gallon > Rubbermaid boxes and cutting a "doorway" in it so Danny has plenty of high > walls to spray. Don't put the lid on it though. Make sure each cat is > getting attention separately and has his own food bowl. Given the stress > this has to be putting on your friend and Danny's predicament I should > seriously consider getting some valium from my vet for Danny and see it that > helps. Danny needs a special place of his own to hide. Again, if there is > little space, try a Rubbermaid container, this time with the lid on it. Cut > a cat size hole near the end of one long side and high. The objective is to > give the cat as much dark, safe space inside the box as possible. By > cutting the hole about midway up the box and toward the end you maximize > that space. Put in hay, shredded newspaper...something Danny can bury in > and feel safe in (again spray the box and contents with Feliway). Other > ideas are to consult an Animal Communicator and a holistic vet as well as a > regular vet. > > It is possible that all the stress Danny is under may have led to a UTI. A > vet checkup is not a bad idea. > > Make sure your friend remembers her original cat and the stress that cat is > under too. Some of the above may help it. > > Good luck. It sounds like you can use some. > > > > > > > If you have men who will > exclude any of God's creatures > from the shelter of > compassion and pity, you will have men who > will deal likewise with > their fellow man. > St. > Francis > - Original Message - > From: "Kerry MacKenzie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:55 PM > Subject: o/t advice needed > > > > Hi all > > I'm just back in the country again after 5 weeks FML, and once again my > > condolences go to those of you who have lost beloved furkids, along with > > my > > heartfelt wishes to all the sick kitties for a speedy recovery. > > I've come back to discover a friend, B, throwing her hands up in despair > > over her new kitty Danny. (Danny had to find a new home as his guardian, a > > neighbor of B's, entered a nursing home.) B already has one cat that she's > > had for 15 years and she was quite concerned about how the two would get > > along. B does not have the space to allow them to be introduced slowly so > > they were basically thrown together, and now Danny is peeing and spraying > > everywhere it seems. > > Any tips/advice, you wonderful people? I'm very concerned from what she's > > said that Danny will soon become homeless again, so I'll be very grateful > > for any advice I can fwd to her. (I would get on the archives and do my > > own > > research but I've come back to a plumbing disaster, a friend who I fear > > may > > be on the brink of suicide and now my front tooth has fallen out.) > > Thanks for all/any help. Love you all. hugs, Kerry > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 > > > > > >
Re: o/t advice needed
Thanks Phaewryn-- The tooth was already a "temporary" one (put in 4 years ago) that had decided to choose this weekend to make a break for it. The nerve had been taken out 20 years ago so fortunately no pain. So plenty of empathy to spare for poor Danny--it's time that's been the problem. Dentist did another temp fix last night and further work tomorrow. Taking more time off work just what I need (not) after 5 weeks off already! > Yikes! Sounds like more than I could handle all own it's own, without trying to help > the neighbor's cat! Is the tooth falling out painful, and can it be re-attached > tomorrow at the dentists? > > Ever consider maybe your teeth are falling out from all the STRESS in your daily life > Kerry? ;-) > > > Phaewryn > > PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! > http://ucat.us/adopt.html > > DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for > pictures) and HOMES for CATS! > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 > >
Re: o/t advice needed
Thank you Moonvine---have fwded on. I hadn't thought about the box numbers. You guys are great! - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 9:19 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed > She needs to have one litterbox per cat, plus one, which would be 3 > for 2 cats. Basically she may have to wait since she could not do a > slow introduction. > > I know some of my friends who do fostering have cats who are on meds > for anxiety, which seems to help with this issue. I have mixed > feelings about cats being on anxiety meds. > > - Original Message - > From: Kerry MacKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Monday, June 19, 2006 9:08 pm > Subject: o/t advice needed > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Hi all > > I'm just back in the country again after 5 weeks FML, and once > > again my > > condolences go to those of you who have lost beloved furkids, > > along with my > > heartfelt wishes to all the sick kitties for a speedy recovery. > > I've come back to discover a friend, B, throwing her hands up in > > despairover her new kitty Danny. (Danny had to find a new home as > > his guardian, a > > neighbor of B's, entered a nursing home.) B already has one cat > > that she's > > had for 15 years and she was quite concerned about how the two > > would get > > along. B does not have the space to allow them to be introduced > > slowly so > > they were basically thrown together, and now Danny is peeing and > > sprayingeverywhere it seems. > > Any tips/advice, you wonderful people? I'm very concerned from > > what she's > > said that Danny will soon become homeless again, so I'll be very > > gratefulfor any advice I can fwd to her. (I would get on the > > archives and do my own > > research but I've come back to a plumbing disaster, a friend who I > > fear may > > be on the brink of suicide and now my front tooth has fallen out.) > > Thanks for all/any help. Love you all. hugs, Kerry > > > > >
o/t advice needed
Hi all I'm just back in the country again after 5 weeks FML, and once again my condolences go to those of you who have lost beloved furkids, along with my heartfelt wishes to all the sick kitties for a speedy recovery. I've come back to discover a friend, B, throwing her hands up in despair over her new kitty Danny. (Danny had to find a new home as his guardian, a neighbor of B's, entered a nursing home.) B already has one cat that she's had for 15 years and she was quite concerned about how the two would get along. B does not have the space to allow them to be introduced slowly so they were basically thrown together, and now Danny is peeing and spraying everywhere it seems. Any tips/advice, you wonderful people? I'm very concerned from what she's said that Danny will soon become homeless again, so I'll be very grateful for any advice I can fwd to her. (I would get on the archives and do my own research but I've come back to a plumbing disaster, a friend who I fear may be on the brink of suicide and now my front tooth has fallen out.) Thanks for all/any help. Love you all. hugs, Kerry
Re: o/t help--injured bird!
You're an angel NinaI called the hotline, and another angel answered. She's going to pick up little sparrow by 10 tomorrow---after she's finished her dawn downtown patrol for injured birds---and take him to the rehab where she works. I've filed the number for future ref! love and hugs, Kerry PS--Why does this always happenemergencies right before I fly to UK?! - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: Re: o/t help--injured bird! Hey Kerry,Looking for rehabers in your area I came across "Chicago Bird Collision Monitors". These folks have organized to help migratory birds that become disoriented, crash into the glass buildings and become injured. If they can't help, I'm betting they'll have numbers for rehaber in your area. Their hotline number for folks that have found injured birds is: 773-988-1867. They also list Flint Creek Wildlife Rehab: 847-602-0628, and Willowbrook Wildlife Center: 630-942-6200. NinaKerry MacKenzie wrote: Help--does anyone have any advice on helping injured sparrow I just found on my porch? Should I take it to emergency services? I leave town tomorrow morning so have no way to look after him/her after that.
