I know she must seem like a yoyo or rollercoaster at this point, but please say prayers for Lucy. She has been extremely lethargic since yesterday and today only ate 1/2 a jar of baby food. She is a bit stuffed up and her nose is a little bubbly, so I am hoping it is just the cold she has not
My vet mentioned zithro and said it does not usually cause GI symptoms, but
that she got so sick from the clavamox that he is afraid to try any strong abx
right now. We gave her .25 ml of Immuno-Regulin today, which is a pretty
low dose but he has never used it before and did not feel
Thanks, Leslie. Frank blood (bright red blood) on the outside of
stool does happen with IBD when the problem is in the lower part of the
intestines, which is what she has. So occasionally, when she is having a
flare-up, she gets that. Often, like this time, it is the precursor to getting
He did attribute it to that. And it happens only sporadically-- once today,
as far as I know.
Thanks, Michelle
In a message dated 11/9/2006 7:59:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michelle,
It sounds like a good plan, hopefully the only frustration will be in
it would be for her uri, not for the ibd. the hope would be it would not
vex her ibd.
michelle
In a message dated 11/9/2006 10:46:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi
Michelle,I'm relieved to hear Lucy is feeling and eating better. I
did give Gypsy Penicillin
vitamin C would probably be terrible for her ibd, though. that's the
catch-22.
michelle
In a message dated 11/9/2006 10:27:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I sometimes give my
kitties fluid with V-C (injectable) to flush stuff
out..
I think you should try to get him looked at by an internist. FeLV+
cats are more prone to lymphoma (a LOT more prone), but respond to chemo as well
as negative cats, though the remissions can be shorter. chemo does not
tend to make them sick like with humans, and it is often very effective
The homeopath that Nina referred me to charged $40 once, and emailed with
me, I would guess, at least 15 or 20 times. At one point I offered to send
her more money since I was emailing her so much, and she said no. And the
nosodes themselves, which I bought somewhere else, were not very
I just read on an herbalist's list serve that a very small amount of castor
oil rubbed on feline acne is supposed to help. But I would get it
diagnosed, and remove plastic dishes if it is. Then, if you want to read the
herbalist's recs on this, let me know and I will find the link.
Michelle
Thanks, Kerry. Lucy does seem a lot better, knock on wood, from the
Immuno-regulin. Eating up a storm, in fact. Knock on wood again.
So sorry to hear Inky had a backslide, but glad he is on the mend.
What is polyflex?
Michelle
In a message dated 11/11/2006 8:18:27 A.M. Eastern Standard
If you are not going to do chemo, then please please get the vet to give
him dexamethasone injections, or, even better, a combined shot of 1/2 ml dex and
1/2 ml depomedrol. These are very strong steroids that shrink lymphoma and make
them feel a whole lot better. They can help cats with
Kerry, my vet talked to a GI specialist and told me that for IBD she uses a
smaller dose of metronidazole, long-term. The dose is 5 mg/pound of body
weight. Since Lucy is 8 pounds, it is 40 mg twice a day. This is too small
and odd an amount to be able to break off the pills, so we got it
so, so sorry, Sherry.
Michelle
Tell her to contact the Attorney General's office in her state. They deal
with consumer fraud issues. She can file a complaint with them, and then
tell the homeopath she has done so and that she will take further action if she
continues to harass her.
If the homeopath does contact the
I'm sorry I have not been following this thread and just read this (over
700 emails in my inbox). My cat patches, who used to get hairballs a lot, would
occasionally fall over as if passing out after or during puking up a hair ball.
She has done it at least 3 or 4 times, and I have stuck my
I just want to emphasize, too, that chemo can really help lymphoma in some
cases. People tend to shy away from it when they do not really understand,
because they think of humans getting so sick from it. Vets do not give
cats and dogs the same level of chemo that they give to humans, and
That is such an amazing thing to do. Thank you from all of us.
And good luck!!
Michelle
In a message dated 11/12/2006 5:04:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Just
want you to know I'm running a marathon today. People sometimes dedicate
every mile to someone
Sending prayers, Sherry. We all know that some of them can go a lot
longer than 2 years, so it is always worth hoping and praying.
How many positives are at the shelter?
Michelle
In a message dated 11/12/2006 9:19:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Could I ask for
That is good news! And what an amazing thing-- a shelter with so many
positives, devoted to positives.
What do you do when they test negative?
Michelle
In a message dated 11/12/2006 10:19:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
We have
around 80 fiv,felv pos at the
I have a much better solution, if it will work. When I need to give my cats
supplements, I mix them into chicken or turkey baby food (beechnut or gerber's,
just make sure no onion is in it-- just turkey and broth and gerber's has corn
starch). Most cats LOVE baby food and will eat almost
I would test all of them, because you do not want to adopt out without
knowing, both because of contagion and because you then will not know what the
person/family will do if the cat later tests positive by surprise. If you are
going to adopt a positive to someone, you want to know and make
Kerry, I don't think the diet is crazy, but I am not sure salt is good, or
even ok, for a CRF cat. Did you ask the vet? In addition to making him drink, it
might actually be difficult on his kidneys. I am not at all sure about that, but
think I heard something about it. or maybe when Lamby,
Baytril does help with URI's. It is very strong, though, and what gave Lucy
the original diarrhea that started her IBD, so she can't get it. It works well,
though.
Michelle
In a message dated 11/9/2006 7:59:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Does
Baytrill help with
I'm sorry.
Michelle
I'm sorry.
Michelle
The protocol Lucy is on is 5 mg/pound twice a day for a month then once a
day. That would be about 25 or 30 mg twice a day for Inky. I am assuming your
vet just decided on a different protocol because of his particular health
problems, but just want to make sure I told you the right thing
sub q is definitely better than drinking-- they get more fluids, I think,
and it flushes the kidneys better. When Josephine had renal lymphoma, the
sub q fluids really made her feel better.
I know it is hard to give them to very small or thin cats, though.
Michelle
Did he get the transfusion as well? or has he improved just on the
epogen?
Michelle
In a message dated 11/15/2006 2:21:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thanks. I was so sure Sunday that he was dying - gave him the
2ndEpogen shot Monday morning. No improvement
I think there is a feline cancer group too, besides the lymphoma group, on
yahoo.
Michelle
sending prayers, hideyo. What about trying Immuno-Regulin for the ones with
uri's and fever?
Michelle
In a message dated 11/16/2006 1:16:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi, everyone, I have a couple of kitties who are not feeling too well and I
need you to
also, can you bring one of them to an internist, just to see if there is
something contagious in the house that the regular vet is missing?
Michelle
In a message dated 11/16/2006 1:16:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi, everyone, I have a couple of kitties who
Hideyo, from the numbers it looks like his WBC has been high even since
November 1. Is it possible he has a severe kidney infection and that is what
is
causing the high kidney values and the anemia (since kidney problems can
cause anemia)?
Michelle
In a message dated 11/16/2006 2:11:51
It is better to do it IV because this ensures it gets everywhere it is
supposed to go. It is what the drug company says to do. But my vet said that if
a
drug can be given IV, then it is safe to give it sub-q or IM, just potentially
not as effective.
I think it is fine to combine it with
I have never dealt with kidney infections. Doxy is a good, strong,
broad-spectrum antibiotic. For some reason I thought they use baytril for
kidney
problems, but maybe that is only for UTI's.
Michelle
In a message dated 11/16/2006 2:36:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
have they been tested for hemobart? I am just wondering if there is
something we, including the vet, are all missing, that an internist might know
to
look for.
In a message dated 11/16/2006 2:33:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hideyo.ya
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I just don’t know why
good, thanks. The Immuno-regulin really seems to have helped her. When I
took her last Thursday for it, she had just about stopped eating again from
her
URI and was very stuffy. About an hour or two after the shot she started
eating again, and she has acted normal ever since, except for
I have been wary about it, but my vet assured me that if it is safe IV it
will be safe sub-q, only potentially not as effective. Humans do not take
things sub-q very well-- we do not have the same kind of skin or the same space
between our skin and under-layers. Several others on this
Hideyo, I am still not convinced they have FIP, still. It is very unlikely
for so many to get it at once. Can you consult with an internist?
Michelle
In a message dated 11/17/2006 10:13:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What a nice things to say, Marlyn – you
Kerry, I never answered this question. I/D helped Lucy for a few weeks and
then she grew sensitive to it, and even a few pieces of it would set her off at
this point.
Have you started Inky on the low dose flagyl yet? if so, is it helping? It
really seems to be helping Lucy so far, knock
If Olive's necropsy showed FIP, then maybe they really all do have FIP. It
has not made sense to me, given that FIP experts say it is a mutation, not a
virus in itself. But maybe particular corona viruses are more likely to
mutate or something, and maybe that is the one going around that
Kerry, did you ever try the Immuno-Regulin for Bandy? It should help him
kick the infection and someone on the list a long time ago said it helped her
cat kick chronic ringworm. I am quite enamored with the stuff after seeing how
fast it worked for Lucy with her URI, knock on wood. She got
My sheep Lamby got ARF from copper poisoning last year and her creatinine
went up to 12.5. They did not think she would make it. They did IV fluids for 5
days and chelation therapy for the copper and, thank god, she pulled through
and her kidney values came down to 2.7, where they had
If you look at Dr. Addie's description of dry FIP on her website, it does
sound like it's possible that Hideyo's cats are getting it.
Michelle
Do they know what it is? Does she have diarrhea at all? any weight loss? IBD
(inflamamtory bowel disease) can show up as only vomiting. It is usually
treated with special diet (sometimes home-made) and sometimes with flagyl
and/or steroids.
Michelle
In a message dated 11/18/2006 2:07:53
Hideyo, did Ayumi get the dental? If so, how did it go?
Someone on this list mentioned at some point that giving injections of
triamcinilone, a steroid, directly into mouth lesions might help.
Michelle
If he is putting it in cat food or mixed with meat, it is not for the rats.
shooting cats may be illegal. I would definitely make a report to the
police/animal control. Unless you are worried about calling attention to the
ferals
at all.
Maybe the best thing to do is call Merry and
Sending prayers, Sherry. Does the sanctuary give them Immuno-regulin shots
when they have URI's? I find it really, really helps them get over it.
Michelle
In a message dated 11/20/2006 10:48:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi everyone,just wondered if you could
I highly recommend trying to get them to give the I-R as well. It's not
that expensive-- $35 for a vial that has about 20 doses in it, and in my
experience they often only need two doses or so. The shelter where my
positives
came from regularly uses it, as does Best Friends with their
Diane,
Definitely do not euthanize! If you can, take her to a board-certified
internist, usually you can fine one at a big veterinary hospital, a vet school
hospital, or a veterinary referral center. They are more skilled at diagnosis.
All the feline leukemia virus means is that her
actually, hematocrit has to do with the concentration of the blood cells, I
believe, not the iron levels per se.
Michelle
In a message dated 11/23/2006 4:50:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
hemocrit (that's the amount of iron in the blood) and see if she's anemic.
Are you sure that what he has is a URI? If steroids helped, it might be
something else. What are the symptoms?
Immuno-regulin usually helps with URi's at that dose. It can be given 1 ml,
which is twice the dose-- the vet who wrote the article on the website uses
that dose, and I have
PCV 32 means that she is not anemic. I would not worry about her blood
count.
It sounds like she has fluid in or around her lungs. This could mean
pneumonia, which would be treated with antibiotics. Or it could mean
mediastinal
lymphoma (see my previous email) or congestive heart
That's great. Please let us know what happens.
Michelle
In a message dated 11/24/2006 11:44:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Have an appointment today at 4 pm with an oncologist/internal medicine vet
for evaluation of Asia. This is a relief just knowing I can get
I would DEFINITELY stay with EVO. Lymphoma thrives on carbs, so you should
limit those. EVO does not have many carbs, as it is grain-free.
Some people buy Essiac tea at the health food store and syringe a little of
that every day. It is a holistic anti-cancer treatment. There is one
I'm sorry about the mass, but glad you are seeing someone who will treat it.
The COP protocol is an old protocol, I think. I think many oncologists use
the Wisconsin protocol now. I don't know what Oncovin is. The Wisconsin
protocol starts with Elspar, I believe.
I highly recommend
that's great, Hideyo. You needed some good news.
Michelle
so sorry, Sherry. I find the weather change can have an effect on them.
Michelle
That's great!! I hope it continues for a long time, too. If at some point
she stops responding, there are a few chemo drugs to ask about-- CCNU being
one, Elspar being another if she is not using it now. But hopefully that will
not be the case for a long time.
Your old vet should be
I have usually dealt with at least 2 vets at a time-- a very close one for
simple matters, and one farther away who is an internist or who I trust more
for more serious things.
Dianne, I am sure you must know this already, but lymphoma is usually not
cured. At best it is held in
It is curable in humans because they use more chemo, I think. I have heard
of dogs being cured, and I have heard of cats years out, who could be called
cured. It just is not very common with cats, and even less common with
positives because their remissions are shorter. In positives, it
If it is lymphoma, it is small cell, because 5 months is a long time for
large cell going untreated-- cat would not be alive. Even with small cell,
there is usually some lethargy. Is she lethargic?
My positive cat Lucy has IBD. I was very scared it was lymphoma at first,
and have been
Sending prayers, and encourage you again to try Immuno-regulin with her. It
has really helped my cats get through bad URI's, most recently Lucy who
could not seem to kick the URI until getting I-R.
Michelle
In a message dated 11/27/2006 1:16:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL
I think that you have the perfect attitude, actually. And I am sorry for
all you have been through. We have lost 9 animals in 5 years, plus a human,
most after long illnesses, so truly understand what you are saying. At this
point I freak out at the slightest sign of illness, fearing
I am so sorry, Candace.
Michelle
In a message dated 11/26/2006 8:34:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I just wanted to let you know that Pepper died a few hours ago. He started
getting better with this current episode but was not so good earlier today.
I was
Oh, I have no doubt you are doing the right thing. I am very glad you opted
for chemo. Lymphoma is more responsive to chemo than other cancers are, and
also faster growing without chemo than other cancers are.
Michelle
In a message dated 11/28/2006 4:52:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Have you tried mixing the lysine into some chicken or turkey baby food? most
cats really love baby food and will eat lysine mixed into it. I have found
lysine to help more than anything with eye problems. Though if it is uveitis
he really may need the ointment as well. Did the vet show
Sally,
If it is actually uveitis, it needs a steroid administered to it. My
horse Pepsi had uveitis and went blind in the eye due to not doing this soon
enough, and my cat Buddy had it and responded well to the steroid. You just
don't
want to use a steroid if the eye is ulcerated. A
Even after my horse Pepsi's eye was blind from uveitis, an opthalmologist
(who I should have gotten to see her right away but did not know what was going
on and listened to my regular vet) she was still having pain and inflammation
in it. The opthalmologist was able to make that go away
Yes, uveitis is treated with topical steroids in the eye. Prednisolone
drops is what is usually used; sometimes atropine is used, I think for pain in
the eye. See Kerry's email about Bandy's course on these two eye drops (drops
can be easier to get in than ointment, too). I also needed
When aspirin is given for blood clots, it is to thin the blood, which then
takes away the pain (by getting rid of the clot); it is not primarily for
pain. They also give small amounts of aspiring to lower fevers sometimes.
But
pain is usually treated with something else, like metacam,
I'm sorry Sherry. Sounds like lymphoma.
Michelle
ditto
Michelle
In a message dated 12/5/2006 5:47:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have had a cat take torbutrol after dental surgery and she was fine.
I am not saying not to do the surgery, because it might be fine, but if the
hematoma does not hurt him, cauliflower ear really is not a big deal. My
father has one from a high school wrestling injury over 50 years ago and it
has
never bothered him or even been very noticeable. obviously
I DEFINITELY think that what this says is that FeLV is a biologic carcinogen
responsible for the development of feline lymphoma and that the shifts have
come from vaccines cutting down on the incidence of FeLV.
Michelle
In a message dated 12/6/2006 10:27:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Hi and welcome. If dental is badly needed I would do it. Two of my
positives had multiple teeth extracted and it went ok, though one got a URI
from the
stress of surgery that took a while to go away. But their teeth were so bad
they could not eat without the extractions.
I would
I think the patch is fentonyl, which my animals have had bad reactions to.
Michelle
In a message dated 12/6/2006 3:06:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I gave my cat torbutrol orally, but it might come in a patch too.
On 12/6/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For bone marrow biopsy they knock them out for a few minutes and aspirate
the bone with a needle. Then wake them up. Simon had it and had no pain from
it, and the only mark was a very tiny scab like a bug bite.
Michelle
In a message dated 12/6/2006 12:04:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
How can it be No Kill if it kills cats simply for testing positive for
corona? That is not No Kill.
I think the largest actual No Kill shelter is probably Best Friends in Utah,
which has several thousand cats and dogs at a time and does not kill based
on tests.
Michelle
In a message
So then the cat with the positive corona titer is not going to be killed? A
high corona titer does not cause suffering.
Michelle
In a message dated 12/13/2006 11:40:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It does not kill at all unless it is to end the suffering of
That's what I like to hear!! Go Asia! And go Dianne! :)
Michelle
I gave flax seed oil to our dog Fern, who had a sarcoma, every day, along
with essiac tea, a bunch of different herbs, and an experimental drug, and she
lived 18 months when her prognosis with chemo (which we did not do) was 2-6
months. I am not saying this was due to the flax oil-- I think
That's great! I never heard of a cat throwing FIV, but I have heard of high
rates of false positives on FIV tests. Was it confirmed by an IFA or DNA test?
If it was an in-house snap test, I would guess she was never actually
positive and the test result was wrong. Either way, good news!
cod liver oil is a type of fish oil.
michelle
In a message dated 12/15/2006 11:23:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have cod liver oil here already, it says flaxseed or fish oil... is that
the same as cod liver oil? I did try it for Mythic's skin issues, it did
Kerry, did you ever try the Immuno-Regulin? Smoky on this list had really
good luck with it getting rid of fevers, and when my Lucy could not throw a bad
URI a couple months ago just two shots of it did it for her. And if he has
a fever, he likely has a URI. That was Lucy's only symptom
What state and hospital is Dr. Ward? The name sounds familiar, though maybe
just from your emails...
Micherlle
In a message dated 12/16/2006 6:32:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thank you Gina. I met two women in the waiting room yesterday who also
need
What's happened since then?
I know it is distressing, and I would be trying to get him in too. But it is
true they want to do this, often, to die, and it is also true that
hypothermia is supposed to be one of the most painless ways to die, and to help
with
other kinds of pain, I think.
no, I think I just recognized the name from your emails! :)
Michelle
In a message dated 12/16/2006 9:57:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dr Heidi Ward in Sarasota Florida.
I've never heard of someone being able to tell about a resistance. But I do
not think it would ever be a problem to switch from alpha to omega. They are
not the same substance.
Michelle
In a message dated 12/16/2006 10:24:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi
I do NOT think you need the temp to go down in order to give the I-R. No,
Lucy did not have a temp spike at all from it, nor did Patches, nor did anyone
I
know other than my Ginger. But I also gave Ginger 1 ml, which is a very high
dose. I gave Lucy only .25 ml, which is actually the dose
oh, other thing you asked-- space between dosing. It says to do every 3-4
days for a while, i think. I have never given more than 2 shots. With Patches
she only needed one, with Ginger I did 2 shots 3 days apart, and with Lucy I
did 2 shots one week apart.
Michelle
please don't be hesitant about I-R. It really has been an extremely helpful
drug to many cats on this list, and I think Ginger is the only one who had
any reaction to it, and the reaction was quite temporary and harmless. If she
were still alive and had trouble with a fever or URI I
interferon with I-R is ok. I have not heard or read about any interactions
between I-R and anything else, but can not know for sure.
So glad he is feeling better. I do think it's a URI. Lucy just had fever,
lethargy, and inappetance, sneezed a couple of times and I saw her nose bubble
I laughed-- you are like us-- but be careful! If you make them too cozy and
give them too much food, they may reproduce more. I am not sure that making
them a shelter and keeping them locked in, with all the comforts and food of
home, is such a good idea. You may literally end up with
by the way, my comment was not to dissuade you from saving and relocating
them. I would never, ever kill a mouse, and am glad you are not either. I am
just worried about the domestication issue in terms of uncontrolled
reproduction.
Michelle
Here is something from Robert MacDowell, an Australian herbalist who I have
gotten canine, equine, and human mixes from. They really work! The mix I use
for endometriosis is literally the only medicine other than celebrex and
codeine that has helped my pain. Anyway, in case you are
I got an email from the system that 3 list emails to me bounced and I was
being removed from the list unless I confirmed and rejoined. Did this happen
to anyone else? Anyone know what's up?
Michelle
I am really sorry, and tearing up. You're right that you were lucky, in the
scheme of FeLV, to have him for so long. And he was lucky to have you.
Michelle
No, the system sends a message. The question is why the bounces are
happening.
Michelle
In a message dated 12/18/2006 8:11:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Need that page url?
I am so sorry about Pogo. I have lost several to lymphoma.
Michelle
Kerry,
There is NO danger to using I-R with steroids. The reason the
instructions for I-R say to go off steroids 7 days beforehand is to ensure the
I-R is
fully effective, since steroids can lower immune response. Lucy was on
steroids when she got I-R, and Mike Lees, the vet from Ohio
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