Re: [Felvtalk] Bedwetting Cat sofa advice?
I fill litter boxes with water and put in places where I don't want my cats to use the floor for the toilet.It is said that cats don't like the feel of aluminum too.So, maybe a dollar shower curtain ,the aluminum material,and the smell of citrus,will keep them off your couch.Cathy From: catatonya catato...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 1:16 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bedwetting Cat sofa advice? I went with an outoor love seat and 2 chairs with removable cushions. I have a glider already. If someone comes over I'll get the cushions out of the spare bedroom and put them on the patio furniture. lol. I think you could mix the cat attract. Maybe start out with it straight, and if it works, start mixing regular back in I had one cat years ago that cat attract worke for. I also know people use the small kiddy wading pools for litter boxesI've never tried that, but when it got bad in the past, I just put litter boxes in every room they used. I sat them on the sofas, on a chest at the bottom of my bed, etc... I'm down to 5 cats, but I still have to separate food and water dishes in all different rooms I always have more food bowls than there are cats. You might increase the number of litter boxes and spread them out. The cats do like to corner and pounce on unsuspecting victims eating or in the litterbox! God bless you and all who rescue. Believe it or not, I've had more dog problems recently. I haven't even moved the patio furniture from the basement where it was delivered up to the living room. My old sofas are in various stages of being taken apart since I can't give them to Goodwill! I've been 'handicapping' the back deck stairs with lights and astro turf to prevent falls from a couple of elderly dogs Happy New Year! tonya From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bedwetting Cat sofa advice? To prevent the bedding and sofa covers from being snatched off the furniture by the cat you can purchase sticky-back Velcro. Attach one side to the underside of the plastic sheeting or whatever you are using and place the matching strip on the sofa and press down to stick it to the sofa material. It doesn't have to be perfect but it will prevent the plastic from drifting away off the sofa. You can also use things like metal clips purchased at an office supply store to clip the plastic to the sofa. Use enough of them. You can also purchase screw pins that are used to pin sofa covers to old furniture. Doesn't do any damage. The small hole it makes closes up when the pin is removed. Have you thought about buying a fitted sofa and love seat cover? You can have the back plasticized with a heat process. You have to look this up in the phone book though, under plasticizing or phone an upholstery company and see if they can do that. As a last resort, put your sofa and love seat and TV in a separate room that can be closed off and put plastic lawn furniture in you living room and turn the living room over to the misbehaving cat. I'm going to buy some of that cat attract litter. Can it be mixed with pine litter or clay litter? I can't afford anything very expensive. I usually get donated litter here. I have so many cats who think outside of the box that I no longer use a pooper scooper. I use a small yard shovel. Sigh. The President of one of our rescue organizations is going to build an outside shelter attached to a shed on her property for 15 cats who will never learn litter box protocol. They were rescued after their former owner passed away. They are older cats with set habits and some health issues, not adoptable. It seems like the cat rescue movement is filled with saints and angels, the best of the human species. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Cathy___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
i HAVE SOME THAT DO THAT ALSO.tHE HIGHER RUBBER MAID PLASTIC BOXES SEEM TO HELP.CATHY From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home A couple of comments: any cat with URI will have teary eyes and it may last for almost a month, unless treated with antibiotic ophthalmic drops or ointment. So it really doesn't have anything to do with the cat's FIV status. My cats have a very fastidious habit of perching on the edge of the litter box, like owls perching on tree branches. However, since most of my cats are of normal or porcine weight, over goes the litter box and I come in to a room I just cleaned and scrubbed to find pine pellets and dust everywhere, not to mention whatever the cat had put into the litter box in the first place. All over the floor. Aside from switching to clay litter and filling the box with 50 lbs. of the stuff, anyone have any idea about the tip-over problem? My last comment is this: anyone just happening onto this list and reading some of the posts would think that we are a bunch of lunatics having a bad hair day. Litter scattered all over, cats ordering us around, plastic and metal furniture, beds covered with plastic sheeting, disposable sofas? Until you have actually met a cat close up and personal, you don't understand. Then when you have, this all makes a lot of sense. Have a good holiday everyone. Put the Christmas Tree in the garage, away from the cats and use battery operated Hanukkah candles. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
Oh. It is said that all black cats originated from Bombay India. From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com To: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Bombay kitty? What does that mean? K ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
if u do a web search ,it shows you cats, It says they are medium size,JET BLACK,gleaming coat,GOLD TO COPPER EYES,sweet,facial expression.I have several all black cats,Naya, Ebony,Onyx,Heidi then I have black with the white on its chest which people call the collar in French, Bernie Mack,Button,Zorro he has the white mark on his chest and below his belly,Vogue, Nikita,then I have black and white ones.I HAVE LAMONT who is small all black and has those gold,deep orange,or copper eyes.Cathy From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com To: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Bombay kitty? What does that mean? K ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
wonderful of you..Miss Kitty sounds like a real Bombay kitty.Cathy From the Bronx N Y From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com To: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net Cc: craig white craiglwh...@gmail.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Thanks to all for kind words. I am what I am - an animal lover. For those who care to know: I got both cats tho had to drive all the way to camp ground, (abt 6 hrs round trip), as cats were uncooperative to the point of downright hostility when Marcia's brother, Craig, had them in cardboard carriers. Cat scratch fever! He ended up putting them/in folding dog crate til I got there. Appears the grey one (actually more of a brown/black/grey tabby), was NOT the one the woman had deserted. The smaller black female was hers. The grey is a battle scarred fully intact male who roamed the campground. Craig had the honor of naming him - Ozzie it is. Oz for short. I am concerned about him as he is hoarse, has a funny nose, tearing eyes and sneezesupper resp issues at the very least I suspect. As soon as I closed them in my master bathroom (quarantine), he spent over 1/2 hr scarfing down food and water. Smaller black cat appears to have absolutely NO white on her. Not on chest, feet, tip of tail, nothing. Never seen one pure black before. She is a lover/lap cat. First thing out of carrier she made one round of bathroom and used the litter pan. My kind of Kitty. Unless Craig or Marcia come up with something else I am calling her Miss Kitty after Marshall Dillion's lady friend in Gun Smoke. According to Craig he talked to the lady who left her behind and Miss Kitty has been spayed and tested neg for FeLV. I have to ask him if he knows if she has had her vaccinations or not cause I don't want to double dose her. So, all is quiet in the master bathroom, I am calling my vet first thing tomorrow and 4 of my other kitties are lined up outside the bathroom door waiting to try and sneak in. Film at 11. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
Until he finds a home a box,and towels will help keep him warm. Get him to the Bronx N Y and I'll take him From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Hi guys Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an abandoned cat? My brother is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat , made it into a housecat and the left it there. She packed up and left for the winter. He said its curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind chill. I am pissed but I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone will be gone from that campground for the season. My brother is leaving tomorrow. His dog would eat the cat so he can't take it. Shelters r full. Anyone have any ideas?? Thanks Marcia Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Unusual kitten story
Hi, that is a nice storyIn Jan.2005 I was standing outside my house and something just flew by. I said to my neighbor was that a rat or a kitten.? Well, it was a kitten and he ran right inside my house. He is gray,with white feet,small,and his nam is M M..Also, a mother cat who I named Momma Tulip was always having babies.When I moved in this house I was told that by my neighbors. Well Momma Tulip wuold go thru plastic bags to get food. I would tell her I'm gonna get you. Well. I did get her inside,but she was ferral so I didn't know how to get her to the vet. The day of her appointment Momma Tulip was sitting in the carrier. So, she was spayed,and I was so happy to see her always with food,water,warmth,and love.I kept my promise. Cathy Bronx N Y From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:21 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Unusual kitten story Hi Everyone, Here's a kitten story you should all enjoy. My daughter who helps me with rescue work and TNR, has a lot of stray cats at her house. There is one feral in particular she has been trying to trap for years. This cat produces at least 2 litters a year, and she hides the kittens and then brings them around when they are about 9 or 10 weeks and as wild as their mother is. This year she brought her 3 kittens earlier than usual (about 3 or 4 weeks old) and my daughter was able to gather them up and bring them inside to be socialized. BUT how to catch the mom?? She has tried a trap to no avail. This is one smart mom cat! So she set up a large plastic storage box on the front porch where she feeds all these strays, and put the kittens inside. She had a large screen to put on top if mom cat went inside, but she had to hide, as mom cat wouldn't go in if she saw Karin. Well quick as a flash the mother grabbed one of the kittens and ran! Karin brought the other two back in and the mother cat had the other kitten outside someplace for 2 days. Karin saw no sign of the third kitten, but when the weather got very cold and rainy she finally saw the mom and kitten on her porch. Karin opened the door to get the kitten, and the mother tried to grab him and run but the kitten saw Karin and ran to her instead! I think this is an amazing story. Did that kitten remember being inside where it was warm, or had he bonded with my daughter before his cat mom stole him? All 3 kittens are now safe, and warm inside and learning to eat well. I hope you enjoyed this story and I wonder if any of you have had similar stories to share. Lorrie and 14 rescued cats and Karin with 18 rescued cats!! - End forwarded message - ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat
around here doesn't say where you are?? From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat I (and others) use the term ``pound'' for all so-called ``shelters'' that are not truly No Kill (saving 90%+). On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: According to her email it wasn't a pound, it was a so-called no-kill shelter. Pounds are usually owned by the local municipality. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http://www.furkids.org/ From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Alev Durmus alev_dur...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat What pound was this? That's one of the only good things about the pounds around here is that they don't test for FIV/Felv, so then they don't kill for it. Of course, I think they should test, and still not kill for it. These are the open-admission No Kill (saving 90%+) shelters in the U.S.: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Since they made you wait for an opening, they are not open-admission by that list compiler's standards. There are many so-called no-kill (note the lowercase letters) ``shelters'' that are not open-admission, and many say they are no-kill even if they do kill, presumably to get donations. The only way you can absolutely tell if a pound is a No Kill shelter is to somehow get their intake/transfer/kill stats---sometimes via FOIA (Freedom of Information Act). If you're lucky, they post them on their website. Most pounds in this country are just killing machines, unfortunately. See the bottom of my messages for how to change this. Fortunately, now that people know it can be done, they are demanding their pounds become No Kill shelters. All it will take is time. Hopefully, in my lifetime. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] No signs and then they are gone.
That is one reason the ASPCA does not adopt out cats with FELV,because it hits all at once. FIV cats they adopt out,because they can live a long time.The lady that had the cat for 91/2 yrs ,good for you. Some cats without FELV don't live that long.Oh, It happened to me too,one day fine ,next day not feeling well,next day or two gone. But, they died home when they were ready.Cathy Fron the BRonx N Y From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: dlg...@windstream.net; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Yeah, I wondered if there had been any signs earlier but I just didn't notice them. It was like one night she started breathing a little funny and the next day it became worse so I took her to the vet and of course the stress of the trip made things a lot worse so as soon as we got there the vets rushed her to the back to see what was going on. By the time they did the x-ray and got back to me she was getting weak. I went to the back where she was at to see her and talk with the vet and she died while we were talking. I had no prep time at all and it was awful. Here one day and gone the next. Her name was Two Face. She was a torti with some white on her and half her face was orange and the other half black. What a sweetheart. Wish I could have had her for a lot longer. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:06:48 -0500 From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon CC: molvey...@hotmail.com That is the way it was with Nitnoy. We never really had the time to decide on treatment before she was gone. I keep thinking there is something I missed and should have seen. molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: Lisa, You were lucky because 9 1/2 years is a long time for a FeLV cat, especially if he had it as a kitten. Most cats that had FeLV as a kitten don't live past 3 years. Many live less than a year. If you were giving him interferon then maybe that was it. I have heard of some that lived about that long but not too often if they got it as a kitten from their mom. One vet told me about one that lived until it was 18. I kind of wonder if the vet was smoking dope cause that's really odd. I had one that died at 2 years old that had a mediastinal tumor. Like Prancer she was fine then one day her breathing became labored. Before the vet and I could even discuss what to do she died. At the time I did not know she had FeLV because she tested negative as a kitten. They didn't see the tumor on X-ray because of all the fluid so we did a necropsy to see where the fluid was coming from. Sure enough the vet found this large tumor and it had actually punctured her heart and the fluid in her chest was all blood. Then the vet got curious and did a combo test and found the FeLV. My guess is that most likely the tumor would have eventually ruptured Prancer's heart too so you probably did the best thing for Prancer. I didn't know they could treat those kinds of tumors. In my cat's case it was too late when we found it but I'm glad to know that in case something comes up in the future. Maureen Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT - Reply message - From: Terri Brown To: Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon Date: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 3:23 pm I used interferon with Salome'. I started her on it when she was about 3 years old, and I gave it to her as often as I could get a hold of it. Salome' lived to be 9 1/2 years old, and she died from liver failure. Hope that helps! T =^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire =^..^= - Original Message - From: Lisa Conner To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 1:48 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon Hi All, I think everyone was so hung up with this politcal debate, no one saw my 2 questions on Interferon and the length of years a Felv + cat has lived. Ok- so, I joined when my 9 + year old boy, Prancer became very sick..literally overnight. He breathing was extremely labored and I rushed him to the Emergency Vet. They said he was critical , and didn’t think he was going to make it. May be best to put him to sleep since he was Felv+ and needed oxygen and and his gums were pale. That night they extracted 3 ½ cups of fluid from his lungs. Thank goodness, because that saved his life. In the morning we transferred him to our regular vet and our vet thought it was his heart. He was right. The ultrasound showed a huge mass tumor at the base of his heart. The vet wasn’t sure how much
Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
I heard that too. Plastic can do it.I also read in Joey's Green book to: wash the area with ivory soap.Also, apply Fruit of the Earth Aloe Vera.I use paper,metal,ceramic dishes. Sometimes plastic gets used too.Cathy Bronx N Y From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver Re: acne---if you haven't done, try changing to metal food/water dishes. Sometimes ceramic or plastic hold bacteria that get on the cat's face cause acne. Metal can also be cleaned more thoroughly... -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of longhornf...@verizon.net Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 8:10 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver Fantastic news! I'm so happy for you Oliver. I can relate to the kitty acne. I had a big orange white boy who had it but it did not last too long. I took the same steps that Lee described. Congrats! Happy to hear some good news :) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com Sender: Felvtalk felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 23:08:56 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Searching For Foster People / No Kill / Rescues in NY on Long Island
Hey, I'll forward this to Neighborhood cats,the do TNR in N Y. If it helps I can take one.CAthy ,in th Bronx N Y From: Amanda Vollaro avoll...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Searching For Foster People / No Kill / Rescues in NY on Long Island Hey all, I've been a lurker here for quite a while - lost a batch of yearlings to FeLV about a year ago, and your advice has taught me quite a bit about treatment of young cats that came up positive. I've been lucky in that most of my kitten rescues turned out negative, but I am working with several who are pos and will probably never go neg - it sucks - why are the sweetest ones always pos?! Anyway, I've become overwhelmed with the sheer number of kitties that I'm dealing with (24) and even though I've been working with The Brookhaven Animal Alliance to get them all fixed, I'm at my wits end. I'm trying to find foster parents for at least six little darling 7 month old ragdoll kittens. Some are loners and can go on their own, others could be paired for comfort...they are all indoor-outdoor cats (they have a kitty-run on my deck outside) and every one of them is a love. Does anyone know of anybody doing fostering in my area (Suffolk County) and could you please let me know their contact info? I have tried asking some of the gals that I know, and they are booked up solid. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
Ok .Litter topic...I have 60 cats . I use Cedarific...It is light weight...the pellets only breakdown when peed on.I hate clumping...So, pine trees win...Cathy Bronx N Y From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter Definitely bending over for any length of time can be a big pain in the back. I pick up my litter boxes and place them on a plastic lawn furniture end table. It raises the box to a level where I can scoop in comfort and the cats like to sit under it and play with my pants leg. 'Stop that, stop that, no claws!! I can't easily get up from those garden kneeler seats because of really weak knees. Whoever coined the term Golden Years was probably not yet 18. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter Yep, my college degree sits behind me at my desk doing me absolutely no good whatsoever ;) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 14:19:58 -0700 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter I have 40 cats so any cat litter expense is going to be flushing money down the drain or into the garbage. I use pine pellets which cost $6.00 for 40 lbs. at Tractor Supply. At that price my cats can poop and pee in luxury. The pine breaks down to a yellow powder though and I have to sweep it up all the time to prevent my cat room from looking like a weird beach because the cats dig and then track with their paws. Yellow, yellow everywhere. I use a light weight variable length squeegee to sweep because a broom just makes all that yellow go airborne. At least there is no initial dust up when I pour the pine and it really deodorizes the contents of the litter box unless I don't dump it often enough. I dump and wash and refill about every 3 days, scoop the poop every day. Lots of work. For this I needed a college degree? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter I use scoopable litter, but I use the dust free kind. Some scoopable litter is so dusty clouds of it billow up and this is obviously bad stuff. I never use any scoopinig litter with small kittens, but with as many grown cats as I have (total 24) I use very large litter boxes and I simply can't lift them (to dump) when they are filled with the clay litter. I have painful arthritis and I'm ancient... almost 80. I'd really like to hear from others on the list about who uses clay litter and who uses scoopable. Fresh Step and Tidy Cat scoopable don't seem to have any dust at all, but it's scary to think scoopable litter is so bad. Lorrie On 10-08, Natalie wrote: Liter, especially clumping litter, should be banned - I have tons of info on it, how a company responded to a concerned cat owner, Buyer beware. I discourage all my adopters from using it. Sodium bentonite is fatal to cats if they inhale it, eat it, inadvertently when cleaning themselves - or kittens, while playing. People always seem to think that if something is expensive, it must be the best - and they want the best for their cats! Hartz litter is pretty disgusting, too! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] sOMETHING IS WRONG.
THANKYOU// CATHY. BRONX N Y From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] sOMETHING IS WRONG. When you get a message is too long notice from the moderator, it means that you sent the entire thread of conversation, maybe 10 or more of everyone elses messages along with your two lines. When you click on Reply and write your message, remember to scroll down and delete all but the message you are answering. Also delete all the junk that Yahoo adds. I once sent such a long thread through the email tool to a client at the website I work that it crashed our email. Boss was so angry he wrote in upper case to me for the rest of the week. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 2:44 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] sOMETHING IS WRONG. I'm getting a message saying my message is too long. this is the second time this happened.My message is the most three lines. I told the person that a wet cloth or cotton ball dipped in Star Olive Oil kills fleas,It came from the book Joey Green's pet cures.Thanks. C L DiDonna ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] sOMETHING IS WRONG.
I'm getting a message saying my message is too long. this is the second time this happened.My message is the most three lines. I told the person that a wet cloth or cotton ball dipped in Star Olive Oil kills fleas,It came from the book Joey Green's pet cures.Thanks. C L DiDonna___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] me and my kitties will pray for Barnaby
Why did they let him out ? Did he want ot come out? Did you try catnip,and sardines? From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Barnaby in your thoughts I pray that he is still alive and they can save him. Keep us posted! Lynda From: Sharyl Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 6:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Barnaby in your thoughts Will keep Barnaby in my prayers Sharyl From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: FeLV Talk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 5:28 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Please keep Barnaby in your thoughts One of my FeLV foster cats, Barnaby, was adopted last week. His adopters kept him in a bathroom for 2 days (they were told to give him at least 2 weeks to get used to being moved) then let him out in a house. He immediately went in a crawl space in the basement. The space is inaccessible. He has not eaten food that has been left in the ceiling. This is going on a week now he has not had food or water. We are going over tonight to with a snake camera which can see into tight places. We have to decide whether to cut a hole in the side of the house or remove the bathtub. Please don't judge this persons involved. Just please keep him in your thoughts tonight. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http://www.furkids.org/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Transport to Best Friends
good luckuse a harness.if he is in a safe place,with food,water,you know what he needs,you don't have to be home...Cathy From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Transport to Best Friends Good luck Thank you for what you are trying to do for this kitty Sharyl From: Jamielynn Storch jlsphotograp...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Transport to Best Friends This is a cat that failed in his last attempt to make it to Best Friends because of how poorly he handled transport. He was 1 of 3 cats supposed to be headed out there and they decided they needed to work with a vet to find a better solution for getting him through long travel. The biggest issue is now with all the new travel security requirements he can't just stay in his carrier he must be removed and his carrier xrayed while he comes through the xray with me. They have done tests runs with the sedation and feel it is the best option for us making it through security safely without putting him, myself or security at risk when removing him from the carrier. Other products have not worked with him. He takes a very long time to adjust and warm up (but once he does is said to be a total sweety). Other problem being I do not know nor have I ever met this cat. He will be arriving at my house in a few hours but I am no home and will only have time to meet him for about 10 minutes prior to being out the door again this evening. None of it is the ideal situation however I am his only option to save his life and I do not feel comfortable removing a cat from the carrier unsedated that those who actually know the cat have expressed great concern about the problems I will have with him. I don't think its as simple as minor anxiety or stress for this guy. -- Jamielynn Storch http://www.jlynnphotographyonline.com/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list... too quiet
I GOT YOUR MESSAGE. From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list... too quiet I'm here also with just one young cat who needs retesting. She's getting fatter and fluffier by the minute, thank the Great Cat. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list... too quiet I rarely post but I am still here. Now with senior cat problems. The ones that survived are getting old. Sally On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:56 AM, James G Wilson phaed...@charter.net wrote: Hey all, Just testing the list since it's been so quiet. Hope this goes through ok. Best wishes to all. James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Support) http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
RACCONS eat everything.The Bronx zoo told someone to gie them lettuce. Maybe you can leave lettuce,apples.grapes,outside.for them.If not don't leave the dry overnite,and maybe they wont come back.Cathy Bronx. N Y From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder? I am feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding station. I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the plates when done. But the dry food is a staple food for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give. Also, in case I can't get there to feed them. Any suggestions? I have seen some constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything! Please let me know. I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats. Dotty - Freehold, NJ From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time. I hate it when it does that. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400 Ha, ha - I love it!!! You sound as pissed off as I was. Believe me he is on my shitlist too. I was boiling about it for days. Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking about it. I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die. I don't know. He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP. I didn't give him a chance to send me away with nothing. Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing okay. Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and everything although she had lost some weight. So she wasn't in any pain. But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about that anyway. The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even that expensive. He's such a dumbass. I didn't know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her. So if he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care. He figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or treatments on her. I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her. BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have been just killing her. I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals. I'm going to steal it. Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something. I'll use your answer for those folks. It's probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean! Maureen “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: marciabmar...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:14:58 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? What the hell is wrong with this vet, that he didn't even want to help a little helpless suffering animal feel better? And he has the knowledge and power to do just that!! I'm baffled. Not tooting my own horn by any means, but when people ask me why I do what I do for animals, the only answer I have for them is because I can, and that obligates me. I make no money of course, but I spend plenty. I guess it all boils down to caring enough. That vet would and is on my shitlist and I don't even know him. Sent from
Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site
PETCO HAS THEM From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Val Green harpestry...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site Where did you get a stainless steel fountain? Val Green harpestry...@aol.com wrote: Natalie, Manny loves to drink out of the faucet! Please let me know where you found your fountain. I'll check with my vet about sub-q fluids. On Feb 8, 2012, at 6:26 AM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Apple cider vinegar, unpasteurized...and Vitamin C, too. The water fountain should be stainless steel, not plastic. I just ordered another one, on sale. I'll find the site, and pass it on later. Does Manny like to drink from a faucet at all? Sub-q fluids can add years to their liveseasy to do. Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday.
OH GOOD .TKS From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday. Hi,Sorry, thought Julie had gotten the word to you all. She was going to go get her, but the pound said that the cat's owners were going to pick her up. She wasn't positive, as most of you guessed, but rather on thyroid medication.Thanks for all your help On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 3:20 AM, Westninthst westnint...@yahoo.com wrote: Is the cat pulled?Sent via my Samsung Transform Ultra from Boost Mobile Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com wrote:There is a list of transporters on this FB page, as I wrote before: https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=231576100186179I know almost nothing about transport.Also need someone to pull her. She's down in Irvine and I'm up in L.A. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:04 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com wrote: I just saw her email - can we help make the arrangement to transport her to NYC somehow? Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:35:18 -0800From: westninthst@yahoo.comTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday. ill take her..i'm in new york city From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: cdza...@gmail.com Cc: Karineh Grigorian petsalon...@yahoo.com; felineleuke...@yahoogroups.com; aa...@aol.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; kitty4...@juno.com kitty4...@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:34 PMSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday. Ask Karineh what three sanctuaries offered to take her Felv+ kitty. One had a fee of $200, which seems very doable via Chipin. On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 2:16 PM, kitty4...@juno.com kitty4...@juno.com wrote: PLEASE CROSSPOST TO YOUR GROUPS. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY 'ROOM AT THE INN' FOR THIS CAT? PLEASE DIRECTLY CONTACT: cdza...@gmail.com. THANX...MarionPlease note: forwarded message attachedFrom: Cyndi Zacko cdza...@gmail.comTo: undisclosed-recipients:;Subject: Fwd: Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday.Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 19:36:18 -0800Please network - I would have her�RETESTED FOR SURE -- Forwarded message --From: Caring Friends Cat Rescue caringfriendscatres...@yahoo.comDate: Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 7:34 PMSubject: Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday.To: joyce@gmail.com joyce@gmail.com, Cyndi Zacko cdza...@gmail.com, faith rajac faithra...@hotmail.com, Lorraine Rudolph jsljr...@aol.com I recieved this e-mail from one of my volunteers today. One of her students found this kitty and her mom took it to the Irvine Shelter. She tested positive for felv. They believe she's around 15 years old. If no one steps up to take her they are going to euthanized her on Thursday. Does anyone have a safe comfy place for this kitty? Please contact the Irvine shelter if you can help her. Julie Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried consumerproducts.com-- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal!Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org/___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal!Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal!Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday.
I'M IN THE BRONX. I HAVE OLDER CATS AND FELV CATS... I HAVE ALOT OF CATS BUT THEY ARE TAKEN CARE OF. CATHY From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday. I just saw her email - can we help make the arrangement to transport her to NYC somehow? Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:35:18 -0800From: westninthst@yahoo.comTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday. ill take her..i'm in new york city From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: cdza...@gmail.com Cc: Karineh Grigorian petsalon...@yahoo.com; felineleuke...@yahoogroups.com; aa...@aol.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; kitty4...@juno.com kitty4...@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday. Ask Karineh what three sanctuaries offered to take her Felv+ kitty. One had a fee of $200, which seems very doable via Chipin. On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 2:16 PM, kitty4...@juno.com kitty4...@juno.com wrote: PLEASE CROSSPOST TO YOUR GROUPS. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY 'ROOM AT THE INN' FOR THIS CAT? PLEASE DIRECTLY CONTACT: cdza...@gmail.com. THANX...Marion Please note: forwarded message attached From: Cyndi Zacko cdza...@gmail.com To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Fwd: Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday. Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 19:36:18 -0800 Please network - I would have her�RETESTED FOR SURE -- Forwarded message -- From: Caring Friends Cat Rescue caringfriendscatres...@yahoo.com Date: Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 7:34 PM Subject: Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday. To: joyce@gmail.com joyce@gmail.com, Cyndi Zacko cdza...@gmail.com, faith rajac faithra...@hotmail.com, Lorraine Rudolph jsljr...@aol.com I recieved this e-mail from one of my volunteers today. One of her students found this kitty and her mom took it to the Irvine Shelter. She tested positive for felv. They believe she's around 15 years old. If no one steps up to take her they are going to euthanized her on Thursday. Does anyone have a safe comfy place for this kitty? Please contact the Irvine shelter if you can help her. Julie Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried consumerproducts.com-- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org___ Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday.
ill take her..i'm in new york city From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: cdza...@gmail.com Cc: Karineh Grigorian petsalon...@yahoo.com; felineleuke...@yahoogroups.com; aa...@aol.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; kitty4...@juno.com kitty4...@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday. Ask Karineh what three sanctuaries offered to take her Felv+ kitty. One had a fee of $200, which seems very doable via Chipin. On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 2:16 PM, kitty4...@juno.com kitty4...@juno.com wrote: PLEASE CROSSPOST TO YOUR GROUPS. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY 'ROOM AT THE INN' FOR THIS CAT? PLEASE DIRECTLY CONTACT: cdza...@gmail.com. THANX...MarionPlease note: forwarded message attachedFrom: Cyndi Zacko cdza...@gmail.comTo: undisclosed-recipients:;Subject: Fwd: Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday.Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 19:36:18 -0800Please network - I would have her�RETESTED FOR SURE -- Forwarded message --From: Caring Friends Cat Rescue caringfriendscatres...@yahoo.comDate: Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 7:34 PMSubject: Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday.To: joyce@gmail.com joyce@gmail.com, Cyndi Zacko cdza...@gmail.com, faith rajac faithra...@hotmail.com, Lorraine Rudolph jsljr...@aol.com I recieved this e-mail from one of my volunteers today. One of her students found this kitty and her mom took it to the Irvine Shelter. She tested positive for felv. They believe she's around 15 years old. If no one steps up to take her they are going to euthanized her on Thursday. Does anyone have a safe comfy place for this kitty? Please contact the Irvine shelter if you can help her. Julie Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried consumerproducts.com-- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal!Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Booster
Last week my vet said one is better than none. I was surprised ,but glad. From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Booster I agree – if you keep the cat strictly inside, you wouldn’t even have to use the vaccine…you also must understand that even if you got the required booster, any vaccine is only about 80% effective. From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 9:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Booster Hi Melody! Welcome to the forum. I'm no expert but I do know that if you don't get the second shot, then your cat is not fully protected, if at all. You will have to start over (as if your kitty never received the first shot) when you are able to get her back to the vet. I sympathize with you regarding financial circumstances. It's a tough economy :( The best way to protect her until you are able to get her both shots is to keep her indoors. Best wishes, Lynda - Original Message - From:Melody Estevez To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent:Tuesday, December 06, 2011 3:37 AM Subject:[Felvtalk] Felv Booster Hello Everyone.I'm new here and this question is about the Felv vaccine. My cat was tested for feline leukemia and tested negative. On October 16, 2011 she received her Felv#1 vaccine and was due for her booster (Felv#2) three weeks later. Due to financial circumstances I was unable to take her back. I'm still struggling financially so I haven't made an appointment. My question is, how effective is the felv vaccine she did receive? Also, when I take her back will she have to be tested again? My cat is an indoor outdoor cat. Melody ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds
tks everyone, this is great infoCAthy luvyasammie --- On Thu, 10/20/11, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, October 20, 2011, 7:54 AM Thanks Gary! I will keep your email for future reference. It's very informative. I've never actually ordered these equivalents for my cats (or dogs) - only for myself. We have to keep our priorities straight. LOL Thanks again. I appreciate you taking the time to share this information. Cindy - Original Message - From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:23 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Cindy, FishMox is NOT the same as Clavamox, FishMox is the same as Amoxicillin. Clavamox is a mixture of amoxicillin and clavauntic(sp) acid which enhances the amoxicillin. FishMox is fine to use, just make sure you know how to dose it for cats, it comes in 250 mg or 500 mg capsules. Dosage for cats is 5-10 mg per pound once or twice a day. Clavamox is available from overseas without a script, but tends to be a bit expensive. The human form of clavamox is called Augmentin and has the same ingredients, but you have to be careful with dosages for cats as they way ingredients are listed tends to be confusing. Tablets of the same dosage vets give use to be sold overseas, but as far as I know, it has been discontinued by every place I know. Doxycycline is and excellent antibiotic and is the antibiotic of choice for many things in the Cornell University Shelter Medicine program. You can buy it without a script as Bird Biotic in 100 mg capsules. dosage for cats is max 4 mg per pound once a day. Both FishMox (amoxicillin) and Bird Biotic (doxycycline) must be mixed with a liquid for proper dosing. Additionally, doxycycline should never be given to a cat in any dry form as it can cause damage in the esophagus. You can use a lot of different liquids to mix these with, but I use 1/3 water and then add 2/3 lite kayro syrup, It helps kill the taste and doesn't go bad. Amoxicillin must be refrigerated after mixing and lasts 10 to 14 days, but it can be frozen for long periods. Doxycycline need not be refrigerated (unless the liquid you use needs refrigeration) and should be discarded after 30 days. Here are a couple of links http://www.1drugstore-online.com and http://www.supersavermeds.com/ If anyone is interested in Zithromax, I get it from a contact in Thailand much cheaper than here. Email me off list and I will put you in contact with him. Please, everyone be sure to know the proper dose for cats for any med you are giving and how to get that dose from the product you have. Gary -- From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Lorrie, I'm late chiming in here. I can't help you with Acarexx, but look into FishMox for the clavamox. It can be ordered without a prescription and from what I was told, it's the same as clavamox. I even ordered it for myself once when I had an infected tooth. Cindy - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 11:14 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Does anyone know where I can buy RX vet meds overseas without an RX? With 25 cats in my shelter and at home I need to keep some basic things at home such as Acarexx for earmites, Clavamox (antibiotic) etc. Thanks, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV
The virus isn't airborne. it has to get into the bloodstream. I have a couple of FELV cats,but they r with my other cats. --- On Wed, 9/7/11, April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com wrote: From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, September 7, 2011, 2:16 PM Hi Dot, This is all new to me too. I do have other cats at home, Spicy lives in a bedroom by herself. She has two windows to look out of, a cat tree and a sofa. Spicy has had no signs of the illness. So I didn't know she had it. I adopted her the first weekend in June and took her to the vet a week later. The receptionist at my vets was the one that stressed getting the test done because she knew that the shelter I adopted her from didn't test, I had no idea. So for a week she was with my other cats. I just looked it up there are 6 stages of FELV. Spicy is in stage 5. From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV Hi April - I just read your mail. My cat, Chloe, female one year old, pretty gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive. I have known since June when she had a fever. She has stabilized and is doing so well now. Very healthy and playful. She is a little squirt, i call her. I have been looking for a home for her since I have two other negative cats and have to keep them separated. She is so cute. i hated to just put her down so figured i would give it a shot to see if i could adopt her. Do you have other cats at home? How is your cat doing now? You said it's in her bone marrow. Are there different stages? I am not sure totally about the disease as this is the first cat I have ever had in 30 years that has the leukemia. So, it is all new to me also. Dot (freehold, NJ) From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Update Hi, A couple of weeks ago I posted about my cat Spicy who I had adopted from animal control unaware she hadn't been tested for FELV/FIV. I was questioning whether to get her a friend or not. Last week I had her blood sent out to confirm if she really had FELV. Well her results came in yesterday, it's in her bone marrow. I still haven't decided on a friend for her yet, I'm unsure what to do with my house already full. I think I would need to adopt another cat with it already in their bone marrow too, right? I've never had a FELV+ cat, so I don't know what to do. April ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more
last week,or the week before,the same day as the earthquake in NY.I had a gas pipe break on my street . The fireman knocked on everyones door:we had to leave our homes.I didn't want to leave my cats. He said I had to get out. He also said no cats got out when the door was open. I left my house,blessed myelf,and askedGod to let me be OK,and let the house be OK:so I could take care of my furry family. I have more than 30 cats.But, anyway, I wish I was in jamies,or a gown. If yousaw the N Y firemen you would understand.SMILE --- On Mon, 9/5/11, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, September 5, 2011, 1:35 AM Biotin? I take it myself and get it at Walmart. Same thing? On 9/4/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: True - that was my worst worry, that windows might be smashed and cats could get out.. I slept dressed that one night, because I wanted to be ready should anything happen.can you imagine being caught in an emergency in a night gown or jammies? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 1:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more Natalie I am glad you and yours are OK! I'll bet you were extra worried just because of the little lives that are in your hands. I know that when we are in a tornado warning or anything that could affect my animals, that's all I can focus on , is keeping them safe! So glad you are OK(-: Marcia On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I also use, and must reorder some Biotin from Nickers International. It's a great supplement that contains the right amount of B12, and more, and cats like it mixed into their food. http://www.nickersinternational.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=04016 http://www.nickersinternational.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=04016Sh ow=ExtInfo Sho w=ExtInfo Description/Instructions/Ingredients Nutritional supplement rich in biotin (6 mg per tsp), an essential B vitamin and nutritional enzyme for the synthesis of fatty acids - important building blocks for skin and coat. Biotin helps metabolize carbohydrates and proteins, maximizing the nutritional value of your pet's diet. Pet owners feed biotin for dry skin, constant scratching and dull thinning coat. A safe, economical and effective alternative to prednisone and antihistamines. Makes your pet look and feel the way nature intended! Great tasting and easy to feed. No artificial colors, flavors or preservatives. Feed every day. Sprinkle on food or mix into food. The enclosed 1/4 teaspoon contains 1.5 mg (1500mcg) of biotin. Dogs under 30 lbs. and all cats: 1/4 teaspoon each day. Dogs over 30 lbs: 1/4 teaspoon for every 30 lbs. of body weight each day. A double lever may be safely given to pregnant and lactating pets. Best when used with tender loving care! Ingredients: Primary dried yeast, biotin, malto dextrin. Guaranteed Analysis per ounce: Crude Protein 42 % (Min) Crude Fat.. 4 % (Min) Crude FIber.. 4 % (Max) Moisture... 4 % (Max) Ash... 4 % (Max) Calcium. 0.05 % (Min) 0.07 % (Max) Phosphorus... 0.87 % (Min) Salt... 0.027 % (Min) 0.033 % (Max) Minerals (Min): Potassium: 1.78 % Magnesium: 0.12 % Zinc: 5 mg Iron: 1 mg Copper: 2 mg Manganese: 0.2 mg Selenium: 0.03 mg Vitamins (Min): B12: 0.02 mcg Inositol: 119 mg Choline: 101 mg Biotin: 58 mg Niacin: 10 mg Thiamine (B1): 2.25 mg Panthotenic Acid: 1.6 mg Riboflavin (B2): 1.06 mg P-Amino Benzoic Acid: 1 mg B6: 1 mg Folic Acid: 0.35 mg Features Helpful effective for: dry skin, constant scratching, dull thin coat, excessive shedding. Contains biotin and essential fatty acids plus a wide spectrum of vitamins and minerals. Contains no artificial flavors, colors or preservatives. Each scoop contains 1.5 mg (1500 mcg) of Biotin. Feed 1/4 teaspoon (scoop provided) per 30 lbs of weight. 4-8 months' supply for pets under 30 lbs. Recommended for biotin deficiencies which may cause: Dry, Itchy , Scaly Skin Seborrheic Dermatitis Eczema Military Eczema in Cats Alopecia (Loss of Hair) Poor Coat Color and Coat Quality Cracked or Tender Pads Infected Toe Nails Stiffness in Aged Dogs and Cats Hindquarter Weakness Loss of Appetite Stress in Pregnancy and lactation ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd.
Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more
--- On Mon, 9/5/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, September 5, 2011, 12:45 PM When and why was your door left open door open? If we had to leave this house, we wouldn’t allow anyone to leave doors open, should they have to work in there! I threaten workers with a penalty worse than death, should they allow any cat to get out. If doors were left open around here, believe me, they’d run out spooked….,and I’d have to track them down, some would have to be trapped - it would be a nightmare! Don’t even want to think about that. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of CATHERINE DIDONNA Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 12:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more last week,or the week before,the same day as the earthquake in NY.I had a gas pipe break on my street . The fireman knocked on everyones door:we had to leave our homes.I didn't want to leave my cats. He said I had to get out. He also said no cats got out when the door was open. I left my house,blessed myelf,and askedGod to let me be OK,and let the house be OK:so I could take care of my furry family. I have more than 30 cats.But, anyway, I wish I was in jamies,or a gown. If yousaw the N Y firemen you would understand.SMILE --- On Mon, 9/5/11, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, September 5, 2011, 1:35 AM Biotin? I take it myself and get it at Walmart. Same thing? On 9/4/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: True - that was my worst worry, that windows might be smashed and cats could get out.. I slept dressed that one night, because I wanted to be ready should anything happen.can you imagine being caught in an emergency in a night gown or jammies? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 1:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more Natalie I am glad you and yours are OK! I'll bet you were extra worried just because of the little lives that are in your hands. I know that when we are in a tornado warning or anything that could affect my animals, that's all I can focus on , is keeping them safe! So glad you are OK(-: Marcia On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I also use, and must reorder some Biotin from Nickers International. It's a great supplement that contains the right amount of B12, and more, and cats like it mixed into their food. http://www.nickersinternational.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=04016 http://www.nickersinternational.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=04016Sh ow=ExtInfo Sho w=ExtInfo Description/Instructions/Ingredients Nutritional supplement rich in biotin (6 mg per tsp), an essential B vitamin and nutritional enzyme for the synthesis of fatty acids - important building blocks for skin and coat. Biotin helps metabolize carbohydrates and proteins, maximizing the nutritional value of your pet's diet. Pet owners feed biotin for dry skin, constant scratching and dull thinning coat. A safe, economical and effective alternative to prednisone and antihistamines. Makes your pet look and feel the way nature intended! Great tasting and easy to feed. No artificial colors, flavors or preservatives. Feed every day. Sprinkle on food or mix into food. The enclosed 1/4 teaspoon contains 1.5 mg (1500mcg) of biotin. Dogs under 30 lbs. and all cats: 1/4 teaspoon each day. Dogs over 30 lbs: 1/4 teaspoon for every 30 lbs. of body weight each day. A double lever may be safely given to pregnant and lactating pets. Best when used with tender loving care! Ingredients: Primary dried yeast, biotin, malto dextrin. Guaranteed Analysis per ounce: Crude Protein 42 % (Min) Crude Fat.. 4 % (Min) Crude FIber.. 4 % (Max) Moisture... 4 % (Max) Ash... 4 % (Max) Calcium. 0.05 % (Min) 0.07 % (Max) Phosphorus... 0.87 % (Min) Salt... 0.027 % (Min) 0.033 % (Max) Minerals (Min): Potassium: 1.78 % Magnesium: 0.12 % Zinc: 5 mg Iron: 1 mg Copper: 2 mg Manganese: 0.2 mg Selenium: 0.03 mg Vitamins (Min): B12: 0.02 mcg Inositol: 119 mg Choline: 101 mg Biotin: 58 mg Niacin: 10 mg Thiamine (B1): 2.25 mg Panthotenic Acid: 1.6 mg Riboflavin (B2): 1.06 mg P-Amino Benzoic Acid: 1 mg B6: 1 mg Folic Acid: 0.35 mg Features Helpful effective for: dry skin, constant
[Felvtalk] CLOSE THE DOOR
No the door wasn't left open. I have a door then a small foyer,and then another door to come into the house.I had someone helping me with my TV when we smelled the gas. I started to close the windows. I guess he went to close the window on the staircase when I heard the fireman. I yelled.I'm not sure if I cursed. I think I did.I SIAD WHY IS THE F G DOOR OPEN.THAT'S WHEN I HEARD THE FIREMAN. MY FRIEND SHOULD NOT HAVE OPEND THE DOOR WITHOUT CLOSING THEOTHER ONE.HE SAID THE CATS RAN WHEN THEY SAW THE FIREMAN.THAT'SS WHEN THE FIREMAN SAID NO CATS GOT OUT.I DON'T LET TOO MANY PEOLE IN MY HOUSE. I HAVE TO WATCH THE ONES THAT DO COME. COME IN ONE DOOR,CLOSE AND THEN OPEN THE OTHER ONE.NOT THAT HARD RIGHT? BUT IF THEY GET OUT THEY RUN INSIDE,OR I CAN PICK THEM UP.It happened once.Cathy --- On Mon, 9/5/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, September 5, 2011, 12:45 PM When and why was your door left open door open? If we had to leave this house, we wouldn’t allow anyone to leave doors open, should they have to work in there! I threaten workers with a penalty worse than death, should they allow any cat to get out. If doors were left open around here, believe me, they’d run out spooked….,and I’d have to track them down, some would have to be trapped - it would be a nightmare! Don’t even want to think about that. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of CATHERINE DIDONNA Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 12:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more last week,or the week before,the same day as the earthquake in NY.I had a gas pipe break on my street . The fireman knocked on everyones door:we had to leave our homes.I didn't want to leave my cats. He said I had to get out. He also said no cats got out when the door was open. I left my house,blessed myelf,and askedGod to let me be OK,and let the house be OK:so I could take care of my furry family. I have more than 30 cats.But, anyway, I wish I was in jamies,or a gown. If yousaw the N Y firemen you would understand.SMILE --- On Mon, 9/5/11, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, September 5, 2011, 1:35 AM Biotin? I take it myself and get it at Walmart. Same thing? On 9/4/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: True - that was my worst worry, that windows might be smashed and cats could get out.. I slept dressed that one night, because I wanted to be ready should anything happen.can you imagine being caught in an emergency in a night gown or jammies? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 1:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more Natalie I am glad you and yours are OK! I'll bet you were extra worried just because of the little lives that are in your hands. I know that when we are in a tornado warning or anything that could affect my animals, that's all I can focus on , is keeping them safe! So glad you are OK(-: Marcia On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I also use, and must reorder some Biotin from Nickers International. It's a great supplement that contains the right amount of B12, and more, and cats like it mixed into their food. http://www.nickersinternational.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=04016 http://www.nickersinternational.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=04016Sh ow=ExtInfo Sho w=ExtInfo Description/Instructions/Ingredients Nutritional supplement rich in biotin (6 mg per tsp), an essential B vitamin and nutritional enzyme for the synthesis of fatty acids - important building blocks for skin and coat. Biotin helps metabolize carbohydrates and proteins, maximizing the nutritional value of your pet's diet. Pet owners feed biotin for dry skin, constant scratching and dull thinning coat. A safe, economical and effective alternative to prednisone and antihistamines. Makes your pet look and feel the way nature intended! Great tasting and easy to feed. No artificial colors, flavors or preservatives. Feed every day. Sprinkle on food or mix into food. The enclosed 1/4 teaspoon contains 1.5 mg (1500mcg) of biotin. Dogs under 30 lbs. and all cats: 1/4 teaspoon each day. Dogs over 30 lbs: 1/4 teaspoon for every 30 lbs. of body weight each day. A double lever may be safely given to pregnant and lactating pets. Best when used with tender loving care! Ingredients: Primary dried yeast, biotin, malto dextrin. Guaranteed Analysis per ounce: Crude Protein 42 % (Min) Crude Fat.. 4
Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane
so true,but this will only be for a day. keep the cats together,leave plenty of food,they should be fine.I know,believe me, I'm in NY .I didn't feel the earthquake,but a gas line broke out side my house. The fireman said I had to leave.I have alot more than 15 cats. But, I left ,locked my door,blessed myself,and said: please God don't let me lose my house or my furry family. I live for them.Everything was fine in a short time. --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 8:15 AM Good for you. There is no way I'd ever abandon my cats, but the problem is I have 15 cats, and a small Suzuki compact car, so I'd have to rent or buy a van, which I'd definitely do. Lorrie On 08-26, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Since Katrina, I have been accumulating carriers (have 7 cats). If I have to leave my home, they go with me. I have an Astro van and all I have to do is put the seats down and I have plenty of room for the carriers. I will leve my home and all else behind, but my cats go with me. I can sleep in the van with them. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue people
me too. Most rescuers I don't get along with. --- On Sat, 8/6/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue people To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 6, 2011, 7:09 AM I have a rescue shelter, which is a large two story building with individual rooms for the cats, and I guess I've been very fortunate, because others in the area who rescue have been very helpful to me. It's the general public who give me such problems. They dump their pregnant females on me, as well un-neutered males who spray and fight. The worst thing they do is tape up kittens in cardboard boxes and leave them out in front of my building when no one is there. Thankfully we find them on time. Lorrie On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote: I do rescue and have for years, and the people who have been by far the nastiest to me, have been OTHER RESCUERS. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
I agree. I take the flys out of my outside cat's drinking water to save them. --- On Sat, 8/6/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 6, 2011, 11:49 AM tHAT IS WHY OUR NATION IS IN THE SHAPE IT'S IN. tHE ECONOMY IS BASED ON THROWAWAY AND BUY A NEW ONE. cAR GETS A DENT, TRADE IT. WE THROW AWAY CHILDREN AND/OR ABUSE THEM, DISCARD SPOUSES LIKE A USED PAPER CUP. THE POOR ANIMALS DON'T STAND A CHANCE. ME, I STOP AND PICK UP TURTLES WHO ARE CROSSING THE ROAD AND PUT THEM SAFELY IN THE GRASS ON THE SIDE THEY WERE HEADING TO. I EVEN STOPPED ON MY ROAD ONE DAY AND URGED A SNAKE ACROSS THE ROAD (HE WAS SO LONG I COULDN'T GO AROUND HIM) WITH A STICK. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Martha Walton Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 11:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant apartment. Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat. They took Peaches to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed. I don't know why the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her first. They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had a baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore. That's how Peaches came to live here. I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead and give Nibbles vaccinations. I'll let you know what the vet says. Thanks for all your help!! It has been hard to get information about what to do. On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote: Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the first shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it to be effective. It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would. I would keep her separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and she has had two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others are all current! Your a good momma to be cautious. I hope this helps, we all try to share our experiences and knowledge on this forum, but we are not experts :) Keep us posted. Thanks, L - Original Message - From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:17 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question We have a new addition (Peaches) to my household, making a total of 4 cats. Need advice on Feline Leukemia Vaccinations. I have not introduced new cat (Peaches) to my other cats, as I want to make sure all are safe against feline leukemia. Peaches is up to date with all shots, but waiting on vet to do fecal because I saw a tapeworm. Peaches is sequestered to basement. Very comfy down there. Here's the situation: *Peaches* (New Cat) Age: 4.5 yr Current vaccination for Feline Leukemia, but *was never tested* before vaccination. Peaches was never tested for Feline Leukemia, she was given 1st 2nd feline leukemia in 2009. She also had a vaccination in 2010 I have 3 other cats: All cats will stay indoors! *Nibbles *(got from shelter when 1 yr. old) Age: 2.5 Nibbles had 1st Feline Leukemia shot 3/23/11, but not 2nd Feline Leukemia shot. Didn't get 2nd: worrying about tumors didn't think that I would rescue a cat again and planning on keeping all cats indoors. *However, I rescued another cat.* Should I go ahead and give Nibbles her second shot of the series, or is it too late?? *Littlebit* Age: 11 Current Feline Leukemia vacc *Lacy* Age: 6 months Current Feline Leukemia vacc What do you think I should do??? Should I go ahead and give Nibbles her second shot of the series, or is it too late?? Should I get Peaches tested for Feline Leukemia?? ** __**_ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_** felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felin eleukemia.org __**_ Felvtalk
Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?
Well. the sexiest living animal was my Momma Tulip. I watched her a couple of times,before she was fixed,and she had some moves. The guys didn't have a chance.You know Momma Tulip is a cat. --- On Wed, 8/3/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, August 3, 2011, 11:34 AM Are your pockets stuffed with catnip or do you rub it all over yourself? =^..^= -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 11:11 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier? Does owning a cat make you sexier? Well, judging by the cats clamoring for my attention, I'd say there is *some* kind of animal magnetism that I exude! :=) Bonnie Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:48 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier? HA HA HA, yes people seem VERY surprised when they meet me because my name is Edna and I am in cat rescue. Naturally, their minds go to the crazy cat lady on the Simpsons but that is just not the case ;) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:46:31 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier? http://www.catster.com/cats-101/does-owning-a-cat-make-you-sexier No, we're NOT a bunch of little old ladies in tennis shoes... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Transmission - thanks for replies
MAYBE TULO WASN'T FELV. HE could of had a heart condition,or cancer,or other things. --- On Fri, 5/20/11, Debbie Bendell dbendell1...@gmail.com wrote: From: Debbie Bendell dbendell1...@gmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV Transmission - thanks for replies To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, May 20, 2011, 1:49 PM I am new to this listserv and couldn't figure out how to reply, so I'm posting a new message. Thanks for your responses. I feel a little less stupid and guilty for not having every cat tested before it joined my household. I have many cats and the fee for testing is $40, so I can't afford to do them all at once. Does a cat get noticeably sick when it's first infected? Three of my cats have been sick enough to need bloodwork since I adopted Tulo, and they all tested negative. If a cat is infected by an asymptomatic carrier, will the newly infected cat also be asymptomatic? My cats are indoor cats. There is no possible outside source of infection. I am just baffled at how Tulo could go from alive and healthy to very sick and dead in one week. I'm also baffled that no other cats have shown signs of illness. Debbie -- *You may not change the world by saving one animal, but to that animal it means the whole world and eventually, saving animals will change the world.* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] How long can FeLV stay dormant?
Good for you. Mine r healthy too. If it an broke ,don't fix it. It the cat tests neg. why wait for it to be positive? regards, CAthy --- On Mon, 3/14/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] How long can FeLV stay dormant? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 10:02 PM Ideally, when a cat is tested for anything, FIV/FeLV, it should be isolated for three months and retested. However, rescue groups cannot do it because of space limitations, especially isolation areas. When a cat tests negative, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's true - the cat may just have been exposed to it, and it would show up 3 months later I've never had a FIV cat living with healthy ones, nor can I do it as a rescue organization. However, we had one cat that tested negative for FIV/FeLV, and many years later, started being illmy vet asked for some blood test at the lab, but they mistakenly tested for FIV - it turned out that she was positive. No one living with her ever became sick, to this day. She died about two years later at age 14/15. However, FIV is not as serious as FeLV, which seems increasingly more mysterious to me after having been reading all the posts about FeLV+ cats living with healthy ones. The two FeLV+ cats we have, are very healthy, exhibit absolutely no signs of any symptoms. I'm not sure what exactly it means when someone says that a FeLV cat with no symptoms could be a carrier; it can't be that the cat is perfectly healthy and can't mean that at some point, will not become symptomatic, does it? I do everything I can to keep them very healthy with supplements, good food, TLC, etc. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] How long can FeLV stay dormant? I've heard from some of the vets that FeLV can hide in the bone marrow for a while before ever showing up on a combo test. How long do you think that can happen before the combo tests shows positive? Anyone have experience with this? If the FeLV + cat and the other cat have been living together for a year and the healthy cat's combo test was negative after a year together with lots of exposure, is there a chance it is still hiding in the healthy cat's bone marrow and not showing up yet? It seems to me that a year would be enough time for the virus to show up in a test. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] anyone in PA area or anywhere take in a super lovey friendly FelV positive senior?
The Best Little Cat House In Pa. Lynn Stitt --- On Tue, 3/15/11, dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote: From: dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] anyone in PA area or anywhere take in a super lovey friendly FelV positive senior? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 7:40 PM Hi - the shelter near me in philadelphia has a very lovey kissing hugging 10-15 year old senior kitty who just is a total lovebug. His owner died. Can anyone take him in? He is on the very very sweet side and my bathroom doesn't seem like it's good enough for this little lovebug. As far as I know he's not IFA confirmed but if I take him in the interim, I will make sure he's confirmed. Even a foster would be appreciated - he's in the urgent list and I'm surprised they even gave him this long a chance. Let me know. Dana * * www.twitter.com/smallspark * Share something interesting today.* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] anyone in PA area or anywhere take in a super lovey friendly FelV positive senior?
Get him to NY and I'll take him --- On Tue, 3/15/11, dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote: From: dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] anyone in PA area or anywhere take in a super lovey friendly FelV positive senior? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 7:40 PM Hi - the shelter near me in philadelphia has a very lovey kissing hugging 10-15 year old senior kitty who just is a total lovebug. His owner died. Can anyone take him in? He is on the very very sweet side and my bathroom doesn't seem like it's good enough for this little lovebug. As far as I know he's not IFA confirmed but if I take him in the interim, I will make sure he's confirmed. Even a foster would be appreciated - he's in the urgent list and I'm surprised they even gave him this long a chance. Let me know. Dana * * www.twitter.com/smallspark * Share something interesting today.* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Can Humans Make FELV+ cats sick?
no,we can't make them sick --- On Wed, 1/19/11, Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry steph.she...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry steph.she...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Can Humans Make FELV+ cats sick? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 2:24 PM Just wondering if anyone knows if humans who are sick with a cold, the flu, etc can make a FELV+ cat sick. Magic is currently still asymptomatic (other than her diagnosis). I'm just wondering when we are sick if they are more susceptible with their weakened immune system. Thanks, Stephanie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Can Humans Make FELV+ cats sick?
sorry, we don't catch from each other.Their Lukemia and Aides is diff from ours.C --- On Wed, 1/19/11, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Can Humans Make FELV+ cats sick? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 2:52 PM Not true. There are a lot of illnesses that can be transmitted between animals and humans, incluiding a lot of different types of colds. Here's a nice long list to scare yourself with: http://svmweb.vetmed.wisc.edu/pbs/zoonoses/ If the animals and the people are basically healthy it's not much of an issue. But with cats with compromised immune systems, whether they are kittens or elderly or FIV+ or FeLV+ or dealing with cancer, then they are more susceptible to all sorts of things. --- On Wed, 1/19/11, CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com wrote: From: CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Can Humans Make FELV+ cats sick? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 11:32 AM no,we can't make them sick --- On Wed, 1/19/11, Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry steph.she...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry steph.she...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Can Humans Make FELV+ cats sick? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 2:24 PM Just wondering if anyone knows if humans who are sick with a cold, the flu, etc can make a FELV+ cat sick. Magic is currently still asymptomatic (other than her diagnosis). I'm just wondering when we are sick if they are more susceptible with their weakened immune system. Thanks, Stephanie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats
Hi, my experience is that very young kittens don't live long. But, other than that my cats are vaccinated, I have a few postive cats. I have water drinking fountains, and they are all together.Your kitten is strong, I think you should let her/him out with your other cats.Cathy --- On Mon, 12/6/10, Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry steph.she...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry steph.she...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 2:01 PM Hi Everyone, I am new to this site and new to the world of FELV. My husband and I recently took in a stray kitten, Magic, who had been coming into our yard and on our porch. We've had her inside and separated from our FELV negative cats for six weeks now and love her dearly. At her first vet appt about five week ago she tested positive on two different snap tests. She also recently tested positive on the IFA test. Magic is about five months old and is healthy (other than FELV), active, growing and gaining weight, loves to play and is the sweetest girl. For now, she lives in our master bedroom separated from our other cats. One of the vets at my practice suggested it was possible to integrate her with our other cats if we had them all vaccinated. She did tell me that the vaccine isn't 100% so there was some risk to our other cats. Right now, I do not feel like is the option for me as it doesn't seem fair to expose my FELV negative to cats to the risk of the vaccine itself or exposure to her. However, I thought I would ask if anyone has gone this route and what their experience has been. The vet who suggested this to me isn't the vet I usually see and I am waiting for my regular vet to come back to work later this week. Assuming we don't integrate her with the other cats, she is currently living in our bedroom. She doesn't seem unhappy and while it's not an ideal set-up for us, it is something we could manage long term. I struggle with what is fair for her - to stay with us where we love her so much, but her space is limited or to find her a home where she can have more space and possibly time with her owners. If she stays with us in our bedroom, should we still vaccinate our other cats as a precaution? Any thoughts or experience anyone has on either of these issues would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Stephanie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night...
That was time... --- On Sat, 11/6/10, Kim kim_ferri...@embarqmail.com wrote: From: Kim kim_ferri...@embarqmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night... To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, November 6, 2010, 2:52 PM I am having such a hard time today with my kitten's death. My little kitten that was 2 months old died last night. She weighed 3/4 of a pound. She was the runt of the litter that I had raised since they were four weeks old. She has been a huge challenge for me the month I had her. My vet first thought she had mega esophagus but then wasn't so sure when she threw up roundworms. She had a problem keeping her food down since the very beginning. Anyway, Friday, my vet wormed her, and her three siblings. She was doing great yesterday until around 7 pm. I gave her a small bowl of KMR and shortly afterwards she started having difficulty breathing and was breathing through her mouth. She had eaten canned kitten food earlier and was doing fine. She died while I was holding her trying to give her a sub q injection. I don't know what I was thinking. I know I killed her. She couldn't breathe and I was trying to hold her still and evidently I had her in a position that her breathing worse because she just went limp and died in my hands. It was so fast that I didn't even get to give her any fluids. I knew she was having troubles breathing but yet I held her still and she was unable to breath because of it. I'm having a hard time with her death. She was such a sweet kitten and even though I can't admit it in front of her other three siblings she was my favorite. Can anyone explain this to me? Were the worms fighting the Strongid and migrating to her lungs making her unable to breathe? Did the KMR have something to do with it? I feel so bad. When I saw her throw up the worms Thursday night I told her to hang in there and I would get her all better in the morning after the vet wormed her but instead I feel like I killed her and did wrong by her. I am so sorry I did this to her and wish I could take it all back. She didn't deserve to die this way. Kim ...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will change for that one pet... The top ten reasons to spay and neuter your dog or cat were killed in a shelter today. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy is gone.
so sorry. I thougth he was doing better. I know how it feels,I lost several. Did he go naturally at home? CAthy --- On Tue, 10/26/10, paola cresti iend...@yahoo.com wrote: From: paola cresti iend...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy is gone. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, October 26, 2010, 10:20 PM Alice, so sorry to hear his journey came to an end, but what a journey it was! He found a good home with you and thanks to you he had the best life he could possibly have given what was handed to him. He surely knew that from how he showed you his love. Will miss your updates (the improvement ones) and thank you for your constant retelling of his expriences, they have been a wealth of information for us beginners with this terrible disease. Paola From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, October 25, 2010 11:54:05 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy is gone. Murphy has passed to the bridge tonight to join Buster, Oni, Jack and Schatzi-Rosie's 4 brothers that passed last year. He was 2 1/2. Glenn and I saw in his eyes tonight that he was tired. He gave it all he had but in the end FeLV took him too.We will miss him so much-he filled the house with his incredible personality. He always ran to the door to greet everyone-he never knew a stranger. I will miss his big, poly-dactyl feet going clickity-click around the house and how he could leap up the wall and turn the light switch off and on when he chased the laser toy. Rosie will miss giving him vampire kisses-she's a tough love kinda girl and she is the last Mohican of the 6 FeLV+ kitties we began this journey with. Thanks to all of you for your kindness and caring. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction
HI, It might have been to much,or not mixed enough. My vet has a tube,Varalys,oral gel for cats.Each 1.25 ml contains 250mg of L-lysineHCI in a highly palatable base. I copied that from the tube.CAthy--- On Mon, 10/11/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 12:47 PM I believe that L-Lysine is available in liquid form.maybe that would work better? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:50 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction Have been reading lately on here about L-Lysine for the cat...I crushed a tablet very well (I have a mortar and pestle from when my mom was here and we had to crush her meds) and added it to Lucky's food. Poor guy vomited it right up -- I mean, back into the feed dishes! So now I don't know exactly what to do...maybe decrease to half a tab (about 250 mg)? Anyone else had a cat with a bad reaction to L-Lysine? Ideas? Thanks! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] My cat Cheshire crossing over
It was good you were with her. Of cause she blinked at you.But, we all have a time to go. I know what you feel. Regards,Cathy --- On Mon, 9/27/10, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My cat Cheshire crossing over To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 6:28 PM So sorry about your sweet baby Cheshire. You did the right thing she knew you loved her. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 9/27/10, Claudia Veiga elisasta...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Claudia Veiga elisasta...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] My cat Cheshire crossing over To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 5:41 PM My sweet, beautiful little Cheshire crossed the rainbow bridge last Wednesday night. She had only been sick for less than 10 days. She was on antibiotics and some pred for 10 days for gum problems. I was going to schedule her for a cleaning in a few weeks, but her health seemed to decline a few days after that. She started hiding under the bed, and not eating, when seh came out, I saw a growth on her throat area, adn took her to the vet. They weren't sure if it was a abcess or worse. I took her back seveveral times over the course of 6 days, she had to be given fluids through IV, and I syringe fed her. I've never been through anything like this before. I was praying for her. On wednesday they told me they couldn't do surgery to remove the cyst 'cause she was so anemic and her blood count was so low, it looked like she had leukemia. The only thing to do was bring her home or try to get her more help at the vet hospial where they have cancer specialists for a transfusion. I brought her there. They had an extensive list of treatment for her, and costs. It was stressful. I gave them permission for treatment and a deposit before they could do anything. They told me she started to go into distress when put in the Oxygen tank and tube, I wanted them to do whatver they could to help her, and Cheshire blinked at me when I was in the room with her right next to her. She wasn't really blinking before that as whe had a tube in her mouth that was helping her breath. This was so painful for me. Her heart gave out, and that's how she went. I don't know if anyone on here has been through anything like this, but I've wondered if by brining her to that hospital and trhing to get here more help to stabilize her for a transfusion caused her more distresss that lead to her passing? I've talked to the doctors who told me no, that didn't do it, she was just very sick,a nd even if i'd brought her home, she would haev onyl survived a few days or 24 hours. I even had jsut bought the Mega C plus which I had heard good things about reversing felv. I told her how much I love her and she knows that until I see her again. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] vets
tks. a friend told me about a vet in the East Village who does regular meds,and holistic med,is very nice and reasonable. --- On Fri, 7/2/10, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vets To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 2:55 PM Well we've got a New Yorker on the list or did, now I forget who! Gloria On Jul 1, 2010, at 4:35 PM, CATHERINE DIDONNA wrote: Can anyone recommend a vet that cares about FELV cats in New York City? Thankyou --- On Wed, 6/30/10, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness- Revolution used? and update To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 1:21 PM Amy, based on what you have written I wouldn't worry about the high Ca right now. What was his phos level? There is an issue when both Ca and Phos are high but again that wouldn't affect his hind legs. It could be the anemia. In the end we do what we can with the resources we have. He's lucky to have you loving him. Sharyl --- On Wed, 6/30/10, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness- Revolution used? and update To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 12:12 PM No idea why he has hind leg weakness. I'll researched all the causes and none seem to apply other than the leukemia. He has had routine blood work every 6 months of his life and we have monitored him very closely as we do all our positive cats. No major problems other than some weight loss and IBD over the past couple years. I don't think I've ever taken one of my positive cats to the vet that some level hasn't been off. Historically when I've drawn more blood or done further testing, it always ends up being nothing. I spend lots of money and put the cats through lots of testing and then 6 months later, the value is normal again. I've just grown to step back and not flip out every time I see a low or high value for that reason. I have to say I still feel sick every time I see the HCT drop in one of them though. So that's my hesitation with taking 3 ml of blood from a non-regenerative anemic cat. He just had a full CBC/Chem which is not a small amount of blood and I'm afraid to draw so much blood again when I think his time with me is limited to begin with. The only thing I can come up with as a cause of the hind leg weakness is long term steroid use. I read that it's more common with injectable steroids so not sure if it even applies to pred. He's been on pred for almost a year. However, I have no doubt that it is the one thing that has kept him alive. Neither me or the specialist I'm seeing are even considering taking him off that as I have no doubt he will crash. We tried weaning him off it a year ago after treating him for hemobart and he started going downhill quickly. That said, his bone marrow is shot. He's been non-regenerative for over a year and making red blood cells from his spleen or elsewhere. We knew he couldn't do this forever so I'm not shocked at where we are, just sad. Since he's been anemic for a year and holding steady, I guess the weakness could be a result of the anemia as well. Yet he doesn't seem weak otherwise really. He sleeps a lot and yes it's obvious he doesn't keep up with the other cats but not so weak that it takes too much energy to walk in my opinion. His liver and kidney values are all normal. Appetite is normal. No signs of lymphoma after 2 ultrasounds, probably has IBD and is on EVO which seems to have helped keep that in check. His calcium is just over normal - 11.6 with normal being 8.2-11.5. I looked at blood work from all my other cats and they all run towards the high end, 10 or higher. So I'm weighing the risk worth the benefit of drawing another 3 ml of blood to see if he's really got a high calcium vs just waiting it out and if he's around in a month or so, rechecking it then. Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome. Thank you everyone for all the suggestions. My gut tells me that he is close to the point of losing his battle with this disease. I always try to keep hope and remain optimistic but watching one cat after another be taken down by this disease, it's hard to keep the faith sometimes. Fingers crossed, Wolfie will pull through this and defy the odds as he has until now. Amy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk
Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary
THANKYOU.CATHY --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Stray Cat Alliance stray_cat_allia...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Stray Cat Alliance stray_cat_allia...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 11:12 AM Here here! I wish we would no longer test at all. If a cat is sick, they are sick. Treat that. It just seems like cats always get the short end of every stick - while I love dogs - they are much higher up the totem pole than cats, who are way down at the bottom. Why don't we declaw dogs? Or test them for parvo - or whatever? _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan
HI, IS IMULAN USED WHEN THE CATS AREN'T DOING WELL? I HAVE A COULPLE WITH FELV ,BUT THEY ARE PERFECTLY HEALTHY. SHOULD I BE GIVING THEM SOMETHING NOW.?tHANKS --- On Sat, 8/29/09, Embarq Customer dag...@embarqmail.com wrote: From: Embarq Customer dag...@embarqmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Imulan To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 2:25 PM I've been a member here for quite a while, but hardly ever respond with comments. However, thanks to the good people on this list your discussions about Imulan, our little Jake, three-legged an absolutely wonderful cat, is now on Imulan injections to try to forestall his non-regenerative anemia. I had printed off some of your information to give to our vet, who is ordinarily very progressive and well-informed, he said he'd never heard of Imulan, but was very interested. So he called Prolab, who is the manufacturer of it, who was happy to send him 13 pages of very persuasive information. He was truly impressed with what he read, of course, ordered it for us. He says that he can't wait to retest Jake's blood about a week after his second injection, because he is so excited about the implications. Imulan is truly Jake's only chance. After only one day, Jake is more alert, already his appetite has picked up some, so we are hopeful. And not only for Jake, but for all of our other fur babies. We have a small sanctuary here, Haven Hill, where all the 25 resident cats are FeLV+, but fortunately, none of the others are symptomatic at this time. The Imulan is $78/injection, that's in TN, in case anyone is interested. Expensive, yes, but perhaps we will only need to have one cat on it at a time. The one thing that threw our vet, as well as us, is just WHY isn't information about Imulan being more widely circulated? It should be in all the vet journals publications! Also, there should be a faster means to get this drug into the hands of the vets. We had it over-nighted from MO, and it took two days -- which is a lot of time, when our little ones are waiting for it! Their regular delivery to us would have taken from Wed. until Mon. -- just WAY too much time! At any rate, we are grateful to have it, are praying for a turn-around for Jake. We also have him on Transfer Factor. Again, I want to thank all of you on this list for all the valuable information you pass on to all of us. Being a member of this group has offered me an amazing education about FeLV that I probably wouldn't have gotten otherwise. So, thank you. And God bless all of you your little ones. I will keep you posted as to Jake's progress. Diane Owner/Haven Hill, in the lovely mountains of Virginia, near the TN line ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a Sanctuary
HI, Try BEST LITTLE CATHOUSE IN PA..LYNN STITT.HARRISBURG PA 17112, 717 469 2540 CATHY. u CAN TELL LYNN I GAVE YOU THE INFO. CATHY DIDONNA --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Donna Hotz dhotz...@gmail.com wrote: From: Donna Hotz dhotz...@gmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a Sanctuary To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 8:52 AM I live in Central New Jersey and I have a cat that showed up on my doorstep about 10 months ago. He is so super friendly that my husband and I decided that we wanted to take him in as one of our own. We took him to the vet about 3 weeks ago and he tested positive for Leukemia. We were heartbroken. We cannot take him inside due to the fact that we have 2 healthy cats inside already. The vet said that he is about 2-3 years old and in good health with the exception of testing positive for Leukemia. (by the way - he did test negative for HIV and he has been neutered) He is the sweetest cat and just wants to be petted and loved and talked to. I was out back the other back in my lounge chair and he jumped up onto my chest and wanted me to pet him, which of course I did. He is also very friendly with the neighbor children. I would love to find a safe place for him where he can get some interaction with humans as well as other cats. We have a few other cats that we feed outside and he seems to get along well with them. I need to find a safe place for him where he will be loved and cared for. We really need your help!!! Any information in the New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania area will be helpful. Thanks! Donna ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision
I BELIEVE WHEN THE TIME TO GO IS HERE,one goes. I won't kill any cat. If she isn't in pain let her go when her time is here,and being with you couldn't be better. I've been through itCathy --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com wrote: From: Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 5:46 PM Both the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and Dixie Louise Doodle Katt, JP left this world on their own. If I ever have the opportunity to let one leave this way I will. I will not let one suffer but I will (try) not to impose my own pian on their bodies. Put yourself in the little one's place and see what you would want. Both my girls hated the vets. My decision and theirs was right for them. Permit them a cool place as well as a warm place. Kitty and Ebony wanted to be cool. I don't know what the explaination is and it really doesn't matter. Blessings to you for carrying. You are cared for in return. On Aug 11, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Christy Buchin wrote: Lorrie, I am so sorry for your heart ache. Is there any time for a blood transfusion? When I had asked my family vet about anemia, (my cat was down to a HCT of 9 at one point), he said they become very lethargic and just get tired and weak and eventually pass. I wish you the very best!! I am so sorry! Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:02:50 -0400 From: felineres...@kvinet.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision Dear Friends, I have a difficult decision to make, and I hope you can help... I have several FelV cats at a shelter I have in town. Most remain in good health by all appearances, however one 8 year old female has been steadily losing weight, she is now very anemic; extremely emaciatedm and she stopped eating two days ago. She will still lick a bit of baby food from my fingers, and she is still drinking water, but this is all. I know she is probably going to die soon, but I want her to die in familiar surroundings where she is loved, rather than having to make a trip to the vet which is always terrifying for cats. The vets here will not come out to see or euthanize a sick cat. This cat does not appear to be in any pain. She has no tumors, nor neurogical symptoms, but I know she will soon die from the anemia. I do not believe in extending the life of a cat who has a terminal illness, therefore I will not put her through transfusions or heroic measures. If I had a terminal illness I would not wish this for myself! What I'm asking is this I'm sure some of you have had anemic FelV cats and I want to know if dying from anemia is painful. If so I will have her put to sleep. Even though I know the trip to the vet will be frightening for her... I do not want her to suffer. Thank you for your help, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?OCID=0809TL-HM ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Kitty box with a lip to catch urine???
can u put the box in the bath tub? You need something as high or higher than the opening. I use large storage bins for liter boxes,and believe me, they can jump in them. regards, Cathy --- On Mon, 6/29/09, wendy wendy2...@yahoo.com wrote: From: wendy wendy2...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Kitty box with a lip to catch urine??? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 1:13 PM Great ideas! Thank you guys! I wish I would have known about heating the plastic before cutting. Would have thrown one less fit...lol! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:29:03 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Kitty box with a lip to catch urine??? While everyone is talking about totes: They make nice shelters for cats, especially if they are insulated and filled with pine needles (Mom's ferals and four of my cats all came from a pine thicket) or straw. On Jun 29, 2009, at 9:19 AM, Sharyl wrote: Wendy, since Pepper is healthy I wouldn't bother putting any opening in the tote. I use the large Rubbermaid totes for litter boxes. Mine just jump in them. As Leroy got into his late teens, he had trouble getting in the tote. I just put a small rubbermaid stool next to it. He used that to climb in. I did save the hood of an old litter box that I set on top of one tote for when the kitties want privacy. It doesn't snap on but the tote is in a corner and it balances on the tote pretty good. The girls seem to like privacy when they poop. All of my boys have always stood up to pee. Don't know why. That's why I went to totes. For the dumpster rescues in the cat enclosure, I left the lid on the tote and cut a opening in one of the small sides. Keeps the rain out of the litter and they don't seem to have any problems getting in it. Found it easier to cut the tote after heating the side with a heat gun. A hair dryer would probably work. Then I covered the edges with duct tape so they wouldn't hurt themselves. Sharyl --- On Sun, 6/28/09, wendy wendy2...@yahoo.com wrote: From: wendy wendy2...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: Kitty box with a lip to catch urine??? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 4:38 PM Hey guys, I haven't posted much in the past few months. Can hardly keep up with life offline, much less online. I hope all of you are doing well, as well as your furbabies. I have an 'engineering' question for you guys. I have a healthy kitty, Pepper, who keeps backing up to the litter box opening and peeing, and of course it goes outside the box, and then urine pools underneath the box (I even use a Christmas tree tray under the box to catch the urine, but still it gets quite ripe after a couple of days). She's been doing this for years and I just keep cleaning it up. But as all of you probably can identify, I hate the smell and the clean-up, and was wondering if any of you have a similar sitation with any of your cats and how you deal with it? I've tried different kitty boxes, but as long as they have an opening, the pee is going in that direction. There's got to be an easier way to deal with this. I was thinking maybe I could make some kind of lip on the opening edge to direct the pee to a receptacle??? Any ideas out there? Thanks! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary
Harrisburg Pa.717 469-2540 Lynn Stitt. Cathy . --- On Sat, 5/30/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 9:26 PM http://www.thebestlittlecathouseinpa.com/ On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: Where is The Best Little Cat House in PA? On 05-26, CATHERINE DIDONNA wrote: Where are you located? Where is the Sanctuary? The best little cat house in Penn. will take him for free when there is room. Regards. C ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary
the ASPCA sends cats there. --- On Mon, 6/1/09, Stray Cat Alliance stray_cat_allia...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Stray Cat Alliance stray_cat_allia...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 4:30 PM Wouldn't it depend on quality of life? Any sanctuary should be checked out prior with a personal visit and some questions. Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 15:09:33 -0400 From: twelvehousec...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary just to cause more trouble, as i'm so good at doing, not separating is NOT necessarily the worse thing, if death is the only alternative. FIVs are generally the healthiest populations at any sanctuary, and they throw off FeLV at the same or possibly a higher rate than any other cat--double-positives will often end up testing positive only for FIV after living in a FeLV environment. remember that most cats who end up in sanctuary settings are NOT up for adoption--if they were considered adoptable, and rescues or shelters were willing to try to find them homes, they wouldn't be going to sanctuaries. while some sanctuaries do have active adoption programs, many do not, for very good reasons: they have to spend their time and money taking care of unwanted, undesirable, unadoptable cats. folks who are willing to adopt FIVs and FeLVs are far more willing, also, to be--or equally willing to be--educable about the facts re: the two viruses, and understand that living with FeLVs in order to live doesn't mean you're gonna BE one of the them. which is not a blanket endorsement of the practice, but if we truly believe what we're saying, and what the research is showing us, we have to carry it out further--it'd be great if there were an FIV/FeLV sanctuary in every town, with a separate room for each population, but it ain't happening, and these cats do NOT deserve to die for lack of space. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Hotmail® goes with you. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Mobile1_052009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Qs re CA/Urgent: FeLV+ senior boy needs money to get to sanctuary
wHERE are you located? Where is the Sanctuary? The best little cat house in Penn. will take him for free when there is room.REgards. C --- On Tue, 5/26/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Qs re CA/Urgent: FeLV+ senior boy needs money to get to sanctuary To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 4:39 PM Curious...why do they want to do a blood panel? Also, why does the fundraising page list the goal at $550? I rescued a guy a number of years ago who was four paw declawed, elderly and his mouth was a mess. Someone had shut him in the wall of a building and a worker heard his cries and let him out. He, too, tested positive for FeLV. He lived several more years in a sanctuary with friends of mine. Boscoe sounds a lot like him. Thanks for helping him. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] CA/Urgent: FeLV+ senior boy needs money to get to sanctuary Permission to cross-post granted. Cross-posting encouraged. I have just a few days to raise the money for Boscoe. Boscoe's fundraising page is set up at http://www.fundable.com/groupactions/groupaction.2009-05-26.2918289545 Boscoe’s a really hard luck boy. He used to be someone’s pet but somehow wound up trying to survive on the streets. He showed up at my house wearing a tight dirty flea collar, emaciated and filthy. We took him in, put him in a quarantine cage till we could get him to a vet. Boscoe had his vet appointment May 17th and the poor old boy had a lot going on: 1. His mouth was a mass of bad teeth and infection. How he managed to eat enough to survive is anyone’s guess. Also, he has a condition called ankylosis – the teeth fuse to the bone of the jaw. This made dental work more difficult but they did a really good job with the boy. 2. He was filthy. He could not groom himself with his diseased mouth and when he tried he just got foul smelling spit all over himself. And he had burrs and debris stuck in what should have been a longhaired gray and white coat. His tail was like one solid dreadlock. So Boscoe was shaved from neck to tail. BIG improvement. 3. He was neutered, got his FVRCP and rabies vaccines, nails trimmed, ears cleaned. 4. And Boscoe tested FeLV+ The FeLV+ part really sucked. It meant I could not offer Boscoe lifetime sanctuary. We have 9 cats of our own, including two who are FIV+, senior and special needs fosters, as well as a steady stream of more readily adoptable foster cats. So Boscoe is stuck in a cage at my house. There’s just no alternative. But Boscoe has gotten very very lucky. He has been accepted into a small home-based sanctuary – a home with a family where they take only FeLV+ cats. He can spend what time he has left in this world napping on a bed in a sunbeam, having his long coat brushed daily (once it grows back), never missing a meal. This is a HOME for this boy! The family that runs this sanctuary quite reasonably requests a donation when they accept a new cat. In Boscoe’s case, because of his age (estimated between 6 and 8 years though a vet tech swears he is 14 because of his nails), the requested donation is $500. They want to get Boscoe a senior blood panel immediately and that isn’t cheap. The donation is reasonable and the opportunity for Boscoe to have a wonderful life in a family environment is just so amazing. I have to raise the money to get him there. I can’t afford $500 out of my own pocket. I can kick in something. But I really need help with this. Please, please, please help me get the money that Boscoe needs to go to this sanctuary. Any donation will help. Thanking you in advance on behalf of Boscoe and myself. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone out there?
thankyou.cathy --- On Tue, 5/12/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone out there? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 9:37 AM Back at you Kelley! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:40 AM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone out there? Hope all the moms (those of cats and people) had a great Mother's day! Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/30-spays-in-30-days Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Immulin
hi, sorry it took so long to answer. I went to the vet on May 1,and he gave meProzyme13 dram. He said put 1/4 tsp in food once a day.IT COST $8. sINCE BOSCO'S blood count is down,he gave mePet-Tinic 4ml 8ml 2x daily by mouth . This is a vitamin-mineral palatable liquid . It is 4fl oz for $12. The prices are right,and aleast he gave me meds. Some vets say he/she has felv,and that's it.And that's after spending alot of money for the wellness blood test. Cathy --- On Wed, 4/22/09, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immulin To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 5:55 PM I believe you are talking about a product called LTCI that is made by a company called Imulan their website is http://imulan.com The product is not related to IR. Some people have had very good success with LTCI and some have not. I don't believe there is any information about its effectiveness when used on asymptomatic cats and I would find it far too expensive to use as a simple immune booster. Assuming I had the money, I might give it a try for a symptomatic cat where you can tell if there is an improvement. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzie Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 3:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Immulin Dear all, Does anyone have any experience in treating FeLV kitts with Immulin? My FelV foster's new forever mom just sent me the email extract below from her ex (who also adopts FeLV kitts). She is looking for any info on Immulin. I wonder if it's akin to Immuno Regulin, or even IR itself, re-packaged for cats (as opposed to dogs and horses)? I wonder about this guy being taken for a ride---even unintentionally--by his vet, as it sounds pricy. I've been trying to research on the web with no success. I've also been unable to dig up any more info on Immuno Regulin other than what I already read several years ago--mainly 2 articles by vets supporting use of IR by Dr Mike Lies, and Dr Karen Thomas, respectively. Immulin - appears to be a scientific breakthrough that I am excited about. Results have been incredible. Its a boost to the immune system that in many cases has helped them to beat their diseases. The only issue is cost. It is a very expensive and intensive program. I am also uncertain about the stress of making him go to the vet so often and taking the shots themselves. Doctor thinks pros outway cons by far, I am a little less convinced of that but still excited about the possibilities here. Any info on Immulin, or (more up to date) info on IR would be very welcome. Incidentally, one Google result showed an email from a guy that said Dr Karen Thomas' experiences were available on Jim's website. He may mean this website -- James's -- but I've never seen anything from a Dr Karen Thomas here?? Hugs to all and good health wishes to all your kitts, Kerry M. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Immulin
THANKS.. --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com wrote: From: Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immulin To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 4:00 PM If you need Pet Tinic long term you may be able to order it on amazon.com cheaper. I bought a large quantity for some ferals a few months ago. I can't recall the price but it was very good. Good luck. On May 5, 2009, at 2:46 PM, CATHERINE DIDONNA wrote: hi, sorry it took so long to answer. I went to the vet on May 1,and he gave meProzyme13 dram. He said put 1/4 tsp in food once a day.IT COST $8. sINCE BOSCO'S blood count is down,he gave mePet-Tinic 4ml 8ml 2x daily by mouth . This is a vitamin-mineral palatable liquid . It is 4fl oz for $12. The prices are right,and aleast he gave me meds. Some vets say he/she has felv,and that's it.And that's after spending alot of money for the wellness blood test. Cathy --- On Wed, 4/22/09, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immulin To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 5:55 PM I believe you are talking about a product called LTCI that is made by a company called Imulan their website is http://imulan.com The product is not related to IR. Some people have had very good success with LTCI and some have not. I don't believe there is any information about its effectiveness when used on asymptomatic cats and I would find it far too expensive to use as a simple immune booster. Assuming I had the money, I might give it a try for a symptomatic cat where you can tell if there is an improvement. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzie Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 3:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Immulin Dear all, Does anyone have any experience in treating FeLV kitts with Immulin? My FelV foster's new forever mom just sent me the email extract below from her ex (who also adopts FeLV kitts). She is looking for any info on Immulin. I wonder if it's akin to Immuno Regulin, or even IR itself, re-packaged for cats (as opposed to dogs and horses)? I wonder about this guy being taken for a ride---even unintentionally--by his vet, as it sounds pricy. I've been trying to research on the web with no success. I've also been unable to dig up any more info on Immuno Regulin other than what I already read several years ago--mainly 2 articles by vets supporting use of IR by Dr Mike Lies, and Dr Karen Thomas, respectively. Immulin - appears to be a scientific breakthrough that I am excited about. Results have been incredible. Its a boost to the immune system that in many cases has helped them to beat their diseases. The only issue is cost. It is a very expensive and intensive program. I am also uncertain about the stress of making him go to the vet so often and taking the shots themselves. Doctor thinks pros outway cons by far, I am a little less convinced of that but still excited about the possibilities here. Any info on Immulin, or (more up to date) info on IR would be very welcome. Incidentally, one Google result showed an email from a guy that said Dr Karen Thomas' experiences were available on Jim's website. He may mean this website -- James's -- but I've never seen anything from a Dr Karen Thomas here?? Hugs to all and good health wishes to all your kitts, Kerry M. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] vaccine
i get all my cats vaccinated for felv,and never had a problem. Cathy --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Lynne menar...@cogeco.ca wrote: From: Lynne menar...@cogeco.ca Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccine To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 4:20 PM Thank you Tanya. If we decide to get our other girl vaccinated, I will definitely follow your advice. Lynne - Original Message - From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccine Hello, I am a veterinary Technician and I see a lot of reactions to the leukemia vaccine. Next time ask your vet about giving your cat an antihistamine an hour before the vaccine. Hope this helps Tanya --- On Wed, 2/4/09, Lynne menar...@cogeco.ca wrote: From: Lynne menar...@cogeco.ca Subject: [Felvtalk] vaccine To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 9:56 PM Hi, I'm just curious if any of you had any problems with the feline leukemia vaccine. We had to take our Snowball to the vet on Sunday and decided to have her vaccinated. My husband took her back today because she has been lethargic and out of character for three days. The vet said it could be the vaccine and for whatever reason gave her a shot of prednisone. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3823 (20090203) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Help my Mickey
I FEEL FOR YOU .I lost My Mickey,a female, to cancer..But Tiger I lost to felv..How I loved themCathy Keep up the good work,Don't know about the leg problem. Are they related? ? --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Viky Digangi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Viky Digangi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Help my Mickey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 8:56 PM Marylyn, No I don't think there is a homeopathic vet in my area but I will check into that. Thank you for responding. I have never regretted keeping Mickey. He has brought me so much pleasure and I thank God for every day I have with him. He is a little black and white tuxedo cat who weighs a whopping 7 pounds. Viky Digangi Support Enforcement Officer II Monroe Regional Office 318-362-5280 ext 297 Fax 318-362-3363 Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/12/08 7:49 PM Do you have access to a homeopathic/alternative vet? If so, check about a consultation. Dixie was treated by both her regular vets and an alternative vet. I credit both with her quality of life. I am so very grateful he has had so long with you and hope he has many more. You are definately doing something very right. Know that in your heart and in your mind. On Oct 12, 2008, at 7:44 PM, Viky Digangi wrote: I adopted Mickey when he was about 5 months old and found out he was positive for felv. For 8 years he displayed no signs of the virus until last December when he fell in the garage about 8 feet and did not land on his feet. Although he was not seriously hurt this apparently triggered something with the virus. He became lethargic and would not eat. My vet at the time began a series of the immuno regulen shots and after about 3 months began giving them to him every two weeks. Last week I awoke to find flood all over my bed and followed the trail of blood drops through the house to Mickey. He had an adenoma on his back leg (which I had not noticed) which burst open. I took him to the vet I currently have and he said normally he would perform surgery to remove it but in Mickey's condition surgery would be dangerous for him. The adenoma had stopped bleeding by now so I said ok. It was fine all week until yesterday and it burst open again. He cannot keep losing blood this way and I was wondering if anyone else had encountered a situation like this.I thought of asking my vet if he would switch Mickey to prednisone to see if that would promote healing. Any suggestions? Viky Digangi Viky Digangi Support Enforcement Officer II Monroe Regional Office 318-362-5280 ext 297 Fax 318-362-3363 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
