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Lynn, I am so happy BooBoo is doing OK. My little Ki who died in June came from the same kind of place. I only had him for a yr, but it was a good year, and he knew what it was to be loved and wanted. Forget the past. I know there are many people who can help you on this list. I was a novice (still am) but I was going to try the IR on Ki. I was impressed with the stuff I read about it. Go for all you can as long as Boo is comfortable. Bless you all. Dede --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good luck with Boo Boo. I'm sorry the bloodwork doesn't look better. It sounds like you have a vet that knows what they're doing. Obviously the previous owners just suck. tonya Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BooBoo just came home from his neutering. He had no trouble whatsoever with the anesthesia, has eaten, had a drink and can't stop purring. He's really happy to be home. The vet went over his blood work with us and told us it didn't look good. He's already anemic. I was so hoping for some good news. He's checking into some drugs for the future if needed and we choose to go that route. He said they are very expensive. This whole experience has sucked the life out of me. I look at this precious little guy and he has absolutely no signs of a disease yet I know he does. I am so angry with his previous owners right now. They emailed me last week when I told them the news and they pretty much suggested that we gave him this disease because he was always healthy and happy. This coming from a family who never took him to a vet. He was a mess when we got him, totally matted, fleas and a terrible case of earmites. Now he's beautifully groomed, clean and seemingly overjoyed at being here. This all so totally new to me. We've never had a pet with an illness, let alone something like this. I swear I'm becomming depressed. I'm not gonna let BooBoo know it though. Lynne When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
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Good luck with Boo Boo. I'm sorry the bloodwork doesn't look better. It sounds like you have a vet that knows what they're doing. Obviously the previous owners just suck. tonya Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BooBoo just came home from his neutering. He had no trouble whatsoever with the anesthesia, has eaten, had a drink and can't stop purring. He's really happy to be home. The vet went over his blood work with us and told us it didn't look good. He's already anemic. I was so hoping for some good news. He's checking into some drugs for the future if needed and we choose to go that route. He said they are very expensive. This whole experience has sucked the life out of me. I look at this precious little guy and he has absolutely no signs of a disease yet I know he does. I am so angry with his previous owners right now. They emailed me last week when I told them the news and they pretty much suggested that we gave him this disease because he was always healthy and happy. This coming from a family who never took him to a vet. He was a mess when we got him, totally matted, fleas and a terrible case of earmites. Now he's beautifully groomed, clean and seemingly overjoyed at being here. This all so totally new to me. We've never had a pet with an illness, let alone something like this. I swear I'm becomming depressed. I'm not gonna let BooBoo know it though. Lynne
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Lynne, I have always heard that human tuna in significant quantities can be bad for cats, especially male ones. It's recommended to substitute human tuna with high-quality tuna cat food, which is supplemented with necessary cat nutrients that human tuna doesn't have. (I think this is true of a lot of human/cat versions of various kinds of food.) An added issue in boy cats is urinary tract obstruction, I believe. Here's just one of many articles on the subject: http://www.lenhumanesoc.org/Tips/ASPCA-Tuna.htm For more, just Google tuna and cats and there will be a lot of reading matter. Diane R. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: BooBoo is home!! Pat, BooBoo is a little pig cat. He would eat all day long if we'd feed him. He's eaten a whole can of tuna since he got home from the vet as well as some hard food and is still wanting more. Tuna in spring water seems to be his favorite. He also likes a bit of sardines for snack. I bought him a really good dry and canned food at the vets but he only seems to like the hard stuff. You know, our first cat, Chuck, who lived to 19 was a very finicky eater. Actually his favorite foods were chicken and steak. He also ate some hard crunchies but that cat loved chicken more than anything. We used to buy a bunch of friers and bake them and make up a bunch of meals in bags for him. If we ate beef, he got beef. It couldn't have been too harmful because he lived a long and healthy life. Lynne - Original Message - From: Pat Kachur mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 5:08 PM Subject: Re: BooBoo is home!! I join the chorus of don't be depressed and don't give up. I agree with just about everything the others have said. It can't be stressed too much that BooBoo needs to eat and keep eating. My Mandy gets Wellness brand food from Whole Foods and she is 6+ years old and still no symptoms other than being deaf (which may or may not be related to the leukemia virus). I hope you and BooBoo enjoy yourselves for many years. Pat - Original Message - From: Lynne mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: BooBoo is home!! BooBoo just came home from his neutering. He had no trouble whatsoever with the anesthesia, has eaten, had a drink and can't stop purring. He's really happy to be home. The vet went over his blood work with us and told us it didn't look good. He's already anemic. I was so hoping for some good news. He's checking into some drugs for the future if needed and we choose to go that route. He said they are very expensive. This whole experience has sucked the life out of me. I look at this precious little guy and he has absolutely no signs of a disease yet I know he does. I am so angry with his previous owners right now. They emailed me last week when I told them the news and they pretty much suggested that we gave him this disease because he was always healthy and happy. This coming from a family who never took him to a vet. He was a mess when we got him, totally matted, fleas and a terrible case of earmites. Now he's beautifully groomed, clean and seemingly overjoyed at being here. This all so totally new to me. We've never had a pet with an illness, let alone something like this. I swear I'm becomming depressed. I'm not gonna let BooBoo know it though. Lynne
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Figures Diane. I will show this to my husband who is the guilty party when it comes to giving him this. Lynne - Original Message - From: Diane Rosenfeldt To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 11:46 AM Subject: RE: BooBoo is home!! Lynne, I have always heard that human tuna in significant quantities can be bad for cats, especially male ones. It's recommended to substitute human tuna with high-quality tuna cat food, which is supplemented with necessary cat nutrients that human tuna doesn't have. (I think this is true of a lot of human/cat versions of various kinds of food.) An added issue in boy cats is urinary tract obstruction, I believe. Here's just one of many articles on the subject: http://www.lenhumanesoc.org/Tips/ASPCA-Tuna.htm For more, just Google tuna and cats and there will be a lot of reading matter. Diane R. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: BooBoo is home!! Pat, BooBoo is a little pig cat. He would eat all day long if we'd feed him. He's eaten a whole can of tuna since he got home from the vet as well as some hard food and is still wanting more. Tuna in spring water seems to be his favorite. He also likes a bit of sardines for snack. I bought him a really good dry and canned food at the vets but he only seems to like the hard stuff. You know, our first cat, Chuck, who lived to 19 was a very finicky eater. Actually his favorite foods were chicken and steak. He also ate some hard crunchies but that cat loved chicken more than anything. We used to buy a bunch of friers and bake them and make up a bunch of meals in bags for him. If we ate beef, he got beef. It couldn't have been too harmful because he lived a long and healthy life. Lynne - Original Message - From: Pat Kachur To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 5:08 PM Subject: Re: BooBoo is home!! I join the chorus of don't be depressed and don't give up. I agree with just about everything the others have said. It can't be stressed too much that BooBoo needs to eat and keep eating. My Mandy gets Wellness brand food from Whole Foods and she is 6+ years old and still no symptoms other than being deaf (which may or may not be related to the leukemia virus). I hope you and BooBoo enjoy yourselves for many years. Pat - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: BooBoo is home!! BooBoo just came home from his neutering. He had no trouble whatsoever with the anesthesia, has eaten, had a drink and can't stop purring. He's really happy to be home. The vet went over his blood work with us and told us it didn't look good. He's already anemic. I was so hoping for some good news. He's checking into some drugs for the future if needed and we choose to go that route. He said they are very expensive. This whole experience has sucked the life out of me. I look at this precious little guy and he has absolutely no signs of a disease yet I know he does. I am so angry with his previous owners right now. They emailed me last week when I told them the news and they pretty much suggested that we gave him this disease because he was always healthy and happy. This coming from a family who never took him to a vet. He was a mess when we got him, totally matted, fleas and a terrible case of earmites. Now he's beautifully groomed, clean and seemingly overjoyed at being here. This all so totally new to me. We've never had a pet with an illness, let alone something like this. I swear I'm becomming depressed. I'm not gonna let BooBoo know it though. Lynne
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Diane is right. Try Solid Gold cat tuna. My cats love it. Human tuna is not only bad for cats, it also can make them refuse food that is good for them. I think human tuna can cause kidney problems in cats. Laurie - Original Message - From: Diane Rosenfeldt To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: RE: BooBoo is home!! Lynne, I have always heard that human tuna in significant quantities can be bad for cats, especially male ones. It's recommended to substitute human tuna with high-quality tuna cat food, which is supplemented with necessary cat nutrients that human tuna doesn't have. (I think this is true of a lot of human/cat versions of various kinds of food.) An added issue in boy cats is urinary tract obstruction, I believe. Here's just one of many articles on the subject: http://www.lenhumanesoc.org/Tips/ASPCA-Tuna.htm For more, just Google tuna and cats and there will be a lot of reading matter. Diane R. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: BooBoo is home!! Pat, BooBoo is a little pig cat. He would eat all day long if we'd feed him. He's eaten a whole can of tuna since he got home from the vet as well as some hard food and is still wanting more. Tuna in spring water seems to be his favorite. He also likes a bit of sardines for snack. I bought him a really good dry and canned food at the vets but he only seems to like the hard stuff. You know, our first cat, Chuck, who lived to 19 was a very finicky eater. Actually his favorite foods were chicken and steak. He also ate some hard crunchies but that cat loved chicken more than anything. We used to buy a bunch of friers and bake them and make up a bunch of meals in bags for him. If we ate beef, he got beef. It couldn't have been too harmful because he lived a long and healthy life. Lynne - Original Message - From: Pat Kachur To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 5:08 PM Subject: Re: BooBoo is home!! I join the chorus of don't be depressed and don't give up. I agree with just about everything the others have said. It can't be stressed too much that BooBoo needs to eat and keep eating. My Mandy gets Wellness brand food from Whole Foods and she is 6+ years old and still no symptoms other than being deaf (which may or may not be related to the leukemia virus). I hope you and BooBoo enjoy yourselves for many years. Pat - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: BooBoo is home!! BooBoo just came home from his neutering. He had no trouble whatsoever with the anesthesia, has eaten, had a drink and can't stop purring. He's really happy to be home. The vet went over his blood work with us and told us it didn't look good. He's already anemic. I was so hoping for some good news. He's checking into some drugs for the future if needed and we choose to go that route. He said they are very expensive. This whole experience has sucked the life out of me. I look at this precious little guy and he has absolutely no signs of a disease yet I know he does. I am so angry with his previous owners right now. They emailed me last week when I told them the news and they pretty much suggested that we gave him this disease because he was always healthy and happy. This coming from a family who never took him to a vet. He was a mess when we got him, totally matted, fleas and a terrible case of earmites. Now he's beautifully groomed, clean and seemingly overjoyed at being here. This all so totally new to me. We've never had a pet with an illness, let alone something like this. I swear I'm becomming depressed. I'm not gonna let BooBoo know it though. Lynne
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Thank you Belinda. No Boo wasn't put on Doxycycline or anything when we brought him home. I'm making notes of all the info I'm getting on this group and plan to meet with the vet about what I've learned. Although I like this guy a lot, I'm positive he has little experience in treating animals with this disease and my impression is that he feels he's terminal and that's that. As problems arise we will deal with them then. This is not what I'm looking for from him. I guess I need to make it clear that I want him to live for a long time and am prepared to do whatever it takes. Lynne - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 12:34 PM Subject: Re: BooBoo is home!! Lynne, Somethings you can do for anemia are vitamin B and get some nutrived to supplement him with. Fred is anemic from his kidney disease and he get all of that plus a vitamin B shot once a week. I buy the nutrived here: http://www.calvetsupply.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPRODProdID=33 I've looked around and this is the cheapest place I've found it. I get the injectable vitamin B from my vet and the syringes to give the shots from my local pharmacy (it's cheaper than getting it from my vet). Fred also get something called Marrow Plus, I get that here: http://www.acuatlanta.net/advanced_search_result.php?search_in_keywords=1pl ural=1s=1keywords=Marrow+Plu I buy the 270 bottle and Fred gets 1/2 pill twice a day, I don't know if this one is doing a whole lot so if you have to choose between this and the nutrived, get the nutrived, I know that one has helped Fred. If the anemia is directly being caused by the virus at some point you may need to use prenisolone and epogen. The epo isn't as expensive as it sounds, alot of people on the anemia list I'm on use it and they get it from Walmart or Costco and a 5 or 6 shot supply is around $28 to $30 dollars. It is dosed three times a week to start and once the anemia is under control once a week or less. Was he started on doxycycline in case he had hemobartonella? This is a must with FeLV+ cats that become anemic. Hemo is VERY hard to test for and I know of many cats that were positive that tested negative numerous times, their vet had the fore site to put them on doxy and they got better. Hemo will kill them if not treated, but giving the doxy will put the hemo into remission, it is never cured but can be put into remission. Getting the doxy won't hurt them it they are negative but not treating the hemo if they are and are testing negative, may cost them their life. When Bailey first became sick, his first symptom was anemia, we reversed that with prednisolone and epogen, but we couldn't find the cancer we were pretty sure he had. Turns out he had pancreatic cancer. If he had not had the cancer the prednisolone and epogen would have kept him going for who knows how long, I know of one cat on my feline lymphoma list that was on epogen for 2 years and with out it he would have died in a month tops. I if it were me would ask for the doxy and the hemo test if he hasn't had it. Keep on top of the anemia. When getting blood to test for it ask your vet to take a drop or two from Boo Boo's ear instead of drawing a big vile that Boo Boo can't spare. Only a few drops is needed to check for anemia results. That's all I can think of for now. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
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Lynne, Somethings you can do for anemia are vitamin B and get some nutrived to supplement him with. Fred is anemic from his kidney disease and he get all of that plus a vitamin B shot once a week. I buy the nutrived here: http://www.calvetsupply.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPRODProdID=33 I've looked around and this is the cheapest place I've found it. I get the injectable vitamin B from my vet and the syringes to give the shots from my local pharmacy (it's cheaper than getting it from my vet). Fred also get something called Marrow Plus, I get that here: http://www.acuatlanta.net/advanced_search_result.php?search_in_keywords=1plural=1s=1keywords=Marrow+Plu I buy the 270 bottle and Fred gets 1/2 pill twice a day, I don't know if this one is doing a whole lot so if you have to choose between this and the nutrived, get the nutrived, I know that one has helped Fred. If the anemia is directly being caused by the virus at some point you may need to use prenisolone and epogen. The epo isn't as expensive as it sounds, alot of people on the anemia list I'm on use it and they get it from Walmart or Costco and a 5 or 6 shot supply is around $28 to $30 dollars. It is dosed three times a week to start and once the anemia is under control once a week or less. Was he started on doxycycline in case he had hemobartonella? This is a must with FeLV+ cats that become anemic. Hemo is VERY hard to test for and I know of many cats that were positive that tested negative numerous times, their vet had the fore site to put them on doxy and they got better. Hemo will kill them if not treated, but giving the doxy will put the hemo into remission, it is never cured but can be put into remission. Getting the doxy won't hurt them it they are negative but not treating the hemo if they are and are testing negative, may cost them their life. When Bailey first became sick, his first symptom was anemia, we reversed that with prednisolone and epogen, but we couldn't find the cancer we were pretty sure he had. Turns out he had pancreatic cancer. If he had not had the cancer the prednisolone and epogen would have kept him going for who knows how long, I know of one cat on my feline lymphoma list that was on epogen for 2 years and with out it he would have died in a month tops. I if it were me would ask for the doxy and the hemo test if he hasn't had it. Keep on top of the anemia. When getting blood to test for it ask your vet to take a drop or two from Boo Boo's ear instead of drawing a big vile that Boo Boo can't spare. Only a few drops is needed to check for anemia results. That's all I can think of for now. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
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Lynne: That's great that he came through it fine. He sounds very happy. Neutered males crack me up b/c they don't seem to miss a beat after their surgery! It's like nothing happened! Don't get depressed...it's not time for that. He sounds like he's doing really well. What else about the blood work was bad? Was it just the anemia? It's possible he had such bad fleas and a lack of nutrition that he could have flea anemia and thus, it could be reversible. Don't despair yet. Something to try...I know it's gross, but I am a vegetarian and I got over it...is raw chicken livers and raw lean beef. My holistic vet had me feeding this to Monkee for his anemia. It's literally one of the best things you can do naturally to help combat the anemia. Just get a tub of chicken livers from the grocery- I personally got the ones that were Free Range, non-hormone fed chickens, or ones labeled organic b/c you don't really need him getting anything else that is bad for him right now. Chicken livers are tough so I would cut them up as best as I could and they became kind of a mush. You want to serve them room temperature, but DO NOT MICROWAVE THEM-- eww- the smell-- and you want them just room temp, not cooked- they still need to be raw. I would warm them by kind of a double-boiler process where I put the livers I was going to serve in a small bowl in a pot of hot/warm water to bring them to room temp. If BooBoo has trouble eating the raw livers, you can also blend or grind them. I used a blender myself when Monkee got weaker and seemed to need the pieces really cut up, so yeah, Monkee ended up with his own blender after that. As for the beef, you want lean ground sirloin that is low fat. I went to Whole Foods and actually got Monkee a thing of organic ground Buffalo. I was getting such a small amount (b/c I didn't know if he would eat it) that the butcher didn't even charge me when I told him it was for my sick cat. Monkee loved the Buffalo and it was actually one of the last things he ate. Again, serve it room temp, RAW, and cut it up- even tho it's ground, you still need to make bite size kitty pieces. The chicken liver blood poured on top of the beef is also really good- Monkee loved it and it's so good for treating anemia. You have nothing to lose, so you should try it. BooBoo will love love love it I am sure and it will be a nice natural treatment for his anemia. I would definitely try it before you start throwing drugs at him-- at least to see if it's just a flea anemia or anemia brought about by lack of food and proper care, as opposed to actual Felv anemia. If you are interested in the homeopathic/holistic care- which I think BooBoo could really benefit from b/c he had such a hard time before you found him- you could look for a vet in your area that is a homeopathic vet. Mine is a regular vet in addition to being a homeopathic vet. One of the homeopathic treatments for anemia is Phosphorus. You can get it at a health foods store like Whole Foods. You want the 30c pellets. You can add them to food or directly administer to the mouth, but the pills are tiny so I would sometimes crush them and put them in cat milk- something like that. Give 3-5 pellets 3 times a day. ***Again- I'm not prescribing drugs here- just so everyone is clear- homeopathics don't have an contraindications or side-affects. This is the dose my holistic vet gave me for Monkee when his anemia was active. It's another thing to try b/c you have nothing to lose- there's no dangers in trying it. caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: BooBoo is home!!Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:12:45 -0500 BooBoo just came home from his neutering. He had no trouble whatsoever with the anesthesia, has eaten, had a drink and can't stop purring. He's really happy to be home. The vet went over his blood work with us and told us it didn't look good. He's already anemic. I was so hoping for some good news. He's checking into some drugs for the future if needed and we choose to go that route. He said they are very expensive. This whole experience has sucked the life out of me. I look at this precious little guy and he has absolutely no signs of a disease yet I know he does. I am so angry with his previous owners right now. They emailed me last week when I told them the news and they pretty much suggested that we gave him this disease because he was always healthy and happy. This coming from a family who never took him to a vet. He was a mess when we got him, totally matted, fleas and a terrible case of earmites. Now he's beautifully groomed, clean and seemingly overjoyed at being here. This all so totally new to me. We've never had a pet with an illness, let alone something like this. I swear I'm becomming depressed. I'm not gonna let BooBoo know it though. Lynne
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I'm glad BooBoo is home and doing well after his surgery. Sorry the vet didn't have better news on his bloodwork. Did he say what kind of anemia? Did he mention Epogen or food supplements or anything you can be doing proactively now, as opposed to in the future if needed? It's so important to keep these little guys' strength up. Please don't be depressed. This is sad but it happens. It's like with kids or parents -- if they get sick, you deal with it the best way you can, and you always keep in mind that you can't save everybody just by wanting to. Our Patches came to us much as BooBoo came to you -- horribly matted and flea-ridden, although rather than being owned, he was out on the streets until he made such a fuss outside our window one summer night. He crawled into our hearts for a few weeks, during which I joined this wonderful list, and then got too sick to stay in this world. In retrospect, I'm not sure if he had lived that we'd have been able to give him the care he needed and deserved -- we had 5 others, who would have needed vaccinations if we were to let him out among them, which he so wanted, and the vet bills and medicines would have been a real hardship. But this list has taught me that Patches found his way to us out of everyone else in the neighborhood when he needed us most, and although we tried desperately to get him better, maybe our entire role in his little saga was to get him clean and happy and loved and help him along to the next level mercifully. I do hope BooBoo stays with you for a long happy time, but if he doesn't, he and you will know it's not for lack of you fighting. I see that others have already sent some excellent suggestions about things to give BooBoo to fight the anemia. Please also know that all vets are not state-of-the-art when it comes to FeLV. Ask your vet if he's heard of the protocols mentioned in everybody's emails, and if he hasn't, see if he's willing to learn along with you. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 3:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: BooBoo is home!! BooBoo just came home from his neutering. He had no trouble whatsoever with the anesthesia, has eaten, had a drink and can't stop purring. He's really happy to be home. The vet went over his blood work with us and told us it didn't look good. He's already anemic. I was so hoping for some good news. He's checking into some drugs for the future if needed and we choose to go that route. He said they are very expensive. This whole experience has sucked the life out of me. I look at this precious little guy and he has absolutely no signs of a disease yet I know he does. I am so angry with his previous owners right now. They emailed me last week when I told them the news and they pretty much suggested that we gave him this disease because he was always healthy and happy. This coming from a family who never took him to a vet. He was a mess when we got him, totally matted, fleas and a terrible case of earmites. Now he's beautifully groomed, clean and seemingly overjoyed at being here. This all so totally new to me. We've never had a pet with an illness, let alone something like this. I swear I'm becomming depressed. I'm not gonna let BooBoo know it though. Lynne This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
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Lynne dont get depressed,you are the BEST thing that happened to BooBoo(I love the name,I had a BooBoo kiyyt too) Those people are just down right awful. When My Maizee Grace was anemic I fed her Lysine and Felovite and I believe it helped her along.She was having chemo and steroids all at once.So she fought it everyday.Good luck just know you are his best chance at a decent life. Sherry Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BooBoo just came home from his neutering. He had no trouble whatsoever with the anesthesia, has eaten, had a drink and can't stop purring. He's really happy to be home. The vet went over his blood work with us and told us it didn't look good. He's already anemic. I was so hoping for some good news. He's checking into some drugs for the future if needed and we choose to go that route. He said they are very expensive. This whole experience has sucked the life out of me. I look at this precious little guy and he has absolutely no signs of a disease yet I know he does. I am so angry with his previous owners right now. They emailed me last week when I told them the news and they pretty much suggested that we gave him this disease because he was always healthy and happy. This coming from a family who never took him to a vet. He was a mess when we got him, totally matted, fleas and a terrible case of earmites. Now he's beautifully groomed, clean and seemingly overjoyed at being here. This all so totally new to me. We've never had a pet with an illness, let alone something like this. I swear I'm becomming depressed. I'm not gonna let BooBoo know it though. Lynne - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
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Dear Lynne So glad BooBoo is back home safely. And, I'm so glad BooBoo found you and your husband. These people that had him are not good people. I hope they're out of your and BooBoo's life now. When I discovered 4 of my foster kittens had FeLV, I was in shock. I realized they now had to become my kittens, (they were also feral), as their adoption chances were so low (nil?). I guess what kept me going was the fact that these little souls were now at least warm and cared for (they'd been eking out a dangerous existence in sub-zero temps in someone's yard) and never had to worry about where to find their next meal again. That made me feel good. I got back much, much more. Yes, there were painful times, but knowing I did the best possible job I could to ensure their quality of life made it worth it. And Mickey threw off the virus anyway! Remember what a wonderful home you are giving to little BooBoo. Most folks want nothing to do with sick and special needs animals. You are doing something very special in adding BooBoo to your family. He may not be able to talk but I'll bet he's already letting you know how appreciative he is. I wanted to forward you this email before I leave work that I sent to someone else a while ago on immuno regulin. I was too late in getting it to use it for my Flavia, but everything I heard and read, from the folks here, and in the articles made it seem worth trying. And it wasn't expensive. Good luck! hugs to you and BooBoo, Kerry M. Dear Ken, Welcome, though I'm very sorry for the reason you had to find us. You sound like a very caring person and I'm also sorry you've found a vet who is unwilling to work with you. (I myself don't know any vets in Northern Jersey but perhaps others on the list will.) Here's the name tel # of the supplier (Revival Animal Health in Iowa) who fedexed it to 2 clinics for me overnight in July. (Total per 1 package inc shipping was $50---relatively inexpensive,) Both the vets I used/found were willing to try it even tho they had never used it before. I had to help one of them figure out the protocol using the info you'll see here. While I haven't yet had time to organise all the following into one coherent report--it's a number of emails rolled into one--I think it does contain some very background info including 3 articles.. Sending lots of healing vibes to your little Max. I highly recommend you order the IR asap and have it overnighted in the hope you'll have found an enlightened vet by the time it arrives. I left it too late. Please keep us posted when you have time. You will find this group a very caring and supportive bunch of people--it's been a godsend to me and my FeLV cats (it may be a bit slow on the weekend). Wishing very good luck to you and Max. (I'm in a timecrunch at work so have to sign off now, but fire away ANY Qs you have and others will jump in.) Kerry IR INFO: Revival's tel no is 800 786 4751. (Revival is the supplier I used.) While I sadly did not order the Immuno regulin in time to be able to use it, the Revival people were good to deal with and the IR arrived at both vet clinics that I had it sent directly to when it was supposed to (ie overnighted by Fedex). I had never ordered it before and neither vet had ever used it but they were both very positive about doing so and liaised with me about the protocol/how much to use---it comes with directions in any case (although I haven't seen those because it's at the clinics). At least I now have it on hand should Mickey (or the NJ FeLV kitty I will be getting soon) need it. Here's also a copy of the relevant excerpts of what I emailed to Dr Dodin who was going to be administering the IR Dear Dr Dodin Here are the 3 articles that give background on Immunoregulin for FeLV cats. (It is given by IV.) I placed an order with Revival Animal Health this morning for 5ml of ImmunoregulinEqstim, and it will be shipped today, overnighted to Abell, marked for your attention, so should be there tomorrow (Wednesday). It will come in a Polar box, and will need refrigeration when it arrives. (They said a cat of 8lb is administered between 0.25 and 0.5 ml each time.) There appear to be 2 possible protocols--4 times in first 2 weeks, then once a week till stabilized, then monthly recommended thereafter for maintenance; OR once a week. Please let me know what you think is best for Flavia once you've had a chance to consider. THE ARTICLES: http://www.felineleukemia.org/ireginfo.html blocked::http://www.felineleukemia.org/ireginfo.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/opinion.html blocked::http://www.felineleukemia.org/opinion.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/hope.html blocked::http://www.felineleukemia.org/hope.html This archived site is also worth looking at--an email from a web list member, Kyle, who had
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Lynne, YAY re BooBoo's neuter. Don't despair re the anemia. Isabella had anemia, very high temps (107), enlarged spleen, still unexplained tremors and horrific pain and she kicked it all! She is doing GREAT. I was reading my old emails- we thought her time had come twice last summer. Several times we thought she had died. And now she is robust, happy, healthy and has gained weight and is 100% improved. She is a new cat. We had her retested yesterday. Will post results when we get them. We started interferon right away (inexpensive), and pred (inexpensive) and a pain med. She always wanted to eat which made our life easier. We also added transfer factor to her food. She's a little miracle kitty, like so many here. Prayers for beautiful BooBoo and hisses to those other people. Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 3:12 PM Subject: BooBoo is home!! BooBoo just came home from his neutering. He had no trouble whatsoever with the anesthesia, has eaten, had a drink and can't stop purring. He's really happy to be home. The vet went over his blood work with us and told us it didn't look good. He's already anemic. I was so hoping for some good news. He's checking into some drugs for the future if needed and we choose to go that route. He said they are very expensive. This whole experience has sucked the life out of me. I look at this precious little guy and he has absolutely no signs of a disease yet I know he does. I am so angry with his previous owners right now. They emailed me last week when I told them the news and they pretty much suggested that we gave him this disease because he was always healthy and happy. This coming from a family who never took him to a vet. He was a mess when we got him, totally matted, fleas and a terrible case of earmites. Now he's beautifully groomed, clean and seemingly overjoyed at being here. This all so totally new to me. We've never had a pet with an illness, let alone something like this. I swear I'm becomming depressed. I'm not gonna let BooBoo know it though. Lynne
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Thank you Kerri. While still staring at the bloodwork and not believing what I was seeing, the vet did say something about immuno something, being given for 2 weeks at a time. He was going to contact a pharmacy and get the information for me. I suspect Dr. Gill isn't too terribly experienced with FelV but he seems very willing to work with the problem. I think most people around here tend to euthanize them. We have a large feral cat problem in this City and the receptionist said they have seen several cases of it lately. Again, people choose to euthanize. I guess I can understand why they would, a lot of people aren't prepared to invest a lot of emotion and money into what lies ahead. For the time being we'll just live life normally and indulge Boo and deal with problems as they arise. Lynne - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:41 PM Subject: RE: BooBoo is home!! Dear Lynne So glad BooBoo is back home safely. And, I'm so glad BooBoo found you and your husband. These people that had him are not good people. I hope they're out of your and BooBoo's life now. When I discovered 4 of my foster kittens had FeLV, I was in shock. I realized they now had to become my kittens, (they were also feral), as their adoption chances were so low (nil?). I guess what kept me going was the fact that these little souls were now at least warm and cared for (they'd been eking out a dangerous existence in sub-zero temps in someone's yard) and never had to worry about where to find their next meal again. That made me feel good. I got back much, much more. Yes, there were painful times, but knowing I did the best possible job I could to ensure their quality of life made it worth it. And Mickey threw off the virus anyway! Remember what a wonderful home you are giving to little BooBoo. Most folks want nothing to do with sick and special needs animals. You are doing something very special in adding BooBoo to your family. He may not be able to talk but I'll bet he's already letting you know how appreciative he is. I wanted to forward you this email before I leave work that I sent to someone else a while ago on immuno regulin. I was too late in getting it to use it for my Flavia, but everything I heard and read, from the folks here, and in the articles made it seem worth trying. And it wasn't expensive. Good luck! hugs to you and BooBoo, Kerry M. Dear Ken, Welcome, though I'm very sorry for the reason you had to find us. You sound like a very caring person and I'm also sorry you've found a vet who is unwilling to work with you. (I myself don't know any vets in Northern Jersey but perhaps others on the list will.) Here's the name tel # of the supplier (Revival Animal Health in Iowa) who fedexed it to 2 clinics for me overnight in July. (Total per 1 package inc shipping was $50---relatively inexpensive,) Both the vets I used/found were willing to try it even tho they had never used it before. I had to help one of them figure out the protocol using the info you'll see here. While I haven't yet had time to organise all the following into one coherent report--it's a number of emails rolled into one--I think it does contain some very background info including 3 articles.. Sending lots of healing vibes to your little Max. I highly recommend you order the IR asap and have it overnighted in the hope you'll have found an enlightened vet by the time it arrives. I left it too late. Please keep us posted when you have time. You will find this group a very caring and supportive bunch of people--it's been a godsend to me and my FeLV cats (it may be a bit slow on the weekend). Wishing very good luck to you and Max. (I'm in a timecrunch at work so have to sign off now, but fire away ANY Qs you have and others will jump in.) Kerry IR INFO: Revival's tel no is 800 786 4751. (Revival is the supplier I used.) While I sadly did not order the Immuno regulin in time to be able to use it, the Revival people were good to deal with and the IR arrived at both vet clinics that I had it sent directly to when it was supposed to (ie overnighted by Fedex). I had never ordered it before and neither vet had ever used it but they were both very positive about doing so and liaised with me about the protocol/how much to use---it comes with directions in any case (although I haven't seen those because it's at the clinics). At least I now have it on hand should Mickey (or the NJ FeLV kitty I will be getting soon) need it. Here's also a copy of the relevant excerpts of what I emailed to Dr Dodin who was going to be administering the IR Dear Dr Dodin Here are the 3 articles that give background on Immunoregulin for FeLV cats. (It is given by IV.) I placed an order with Revival Animal Health this morning for 5ml
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I join the chorus of don't be depressed and don't give up. I agree with just about everything the others have said. It can't be stressed too much that BooBoo needs to eat and keep eating. My Mandy gets Wellness brand food from Whole Foods and she is 6+ years old and still no symptoms other than being deaf (which may or may not be related to the leukemia virus). I hope you and BooBoo enjoy yourselves for many years. Pat - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: BooBoo is home!! BooBoo just came home from his neutering. He had no trouble whatsoever with the anesthesia, has eaten, had a drink and can't stop purring. He's really happy to be home. The vet went over his blood work with us and told us it didn't look good. He's already anemic. I was so hoping for some good news. He's checking into some drugs for the future if needed and we choose to go that route. He said they are very expensive. This whole experience has sucked the life out of me. I look at this precious little guy and he has absolutely no signs of a disease yet I know he does. I am so angry with his previous owners right now. They emailed me last week when I told them the news and they pretty much suggested that we gave him this disease because he was always healthy and happy. This coming from a family who never took him to a vet. He was a mess when we got him, totally matted, fleas and a terrible case of earmites. Now he's beautifully groomed, clean and seemingly overjoyed at being here. This all so totally new to me. We've never had a pet with an illness, let alone something like this. I swear I'm becomming depressed. I'm not gonna let BooBoo know it though. Lynne
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Great that you have an enlightened vet that will work with you. My vet was in a similar situation---had very little experience with FeLV but was very willing to do whatever it took. Makes such a difference in every way. Kerry _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: BooBoo is home!! Thank you Kerri. While still staring at the bloodwork and not believing what I was seeing, the vet did say something about immuno something, being given for 2 weeks at a time. He was going to contact a pharmacy and get the information for me. I suspect Dr. Gill isn't too terribly experienced with FelV but he seems very willing to work with the problem. I think most people around here tend to euthanize them. We have a large feral cat problem in this City and the receptionist said they have seen several cases of it lately. Again, people choose to euthanize. I guess I can understand why they would, a lot of people aren't prepared to invest a lot of emotion and money into what lies ahead. For the time being we'll just live life normally and indulge Boo and deal with problems as they arise. Lynne - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:41 PM Subject: RE: BooBoo is home!! Dear Lynne So glad BooBoo is back home safely. And, I'm so glad BooBoo found you and your husband. These people that had him are not good people. I hope they're out of your and BooBoo's life now. When I discovered 4 of my foster kittens had FeLV, I was in shock. I realized they now had to become my kittens, (they were also feral), as their adoption chances were so low (nil?). I guess what kept me going was the fact that these little souls were now at least warm and cared for (they'd been eking out a dangerous existence in sub-zero temps in someone's yard) and never had to worry about where to find their next meal again. That made me feel good. I got back much, much more. Yes, there were painful times, but knowing I did the best possible job I could to ensure their quality of life made it worth it. And Mickey threw off the virus anyway! Remember what a wonderful home you are giving to little BooBoo. Most folks want nothing to do with sick and special needs animals. You are doing something very special in adding BooBoo to your family. He may not be able to talk but I'll bet he's already letting you know how appreciative he is. I wanted to forward you this email before I leave work that I sent to someone else a while ago on immuno regulin. I was too late in getting it to use it for my Flavia, but everything I heard and read, from the folks here, and in the articles made it seem worth trying. And it wasn't expensive. Good luck! hugs to you and BooBoo, Kerry M. Dear Ken, Welcome, though I'm very sorry for the reason you had to find us. You sound like a very caring person and I'm also sorry you've found a vet who is unwilling to work with you. (I myself don't know any vets in Northern Jersey but perhaps others on the list will.) Here's the name tel # of the supplier (Revival Animal Health in Iowa) who fedexed it to 2 clinics for me overnight in July. (Total per 1 package inc shipping was $50---relatively inexpensive,) Both the vets I used/found were willing to try it even tho they had never used it before. I had to help one of them figure out the protocol using the info you'll see here. While I haven't yet had time to organise all the following into one coherent report--it's a number of emails rolled into one--I think it does contain some very background info including 3 articles.. Sending lots of healing vibes to your little Max. I highly recommend you order the IR asap and have it overnighted in the hope you'll have found an enlightened vet by the time it arrives. I left it too late. Please keep us posted when you have time. You will find this group a very caring and supportive bunch of people--it's been a godsend to me and my FeLV cats (it may be a bit slow on the weekend). Wishing very good luck to you and Max. (I'm in a timecrunch at work so have to sign off now, but fire away ANY Qs you have and others will jump in.) Kerry IR INFO: Revival's tel no is 800 786 4751. (Revival is the supplier I used.) While I sadly did not order the Immuno regulin in time to be able to use it, the Revival people were good to deal with and the IR arrived at both vet clinics that I had it sent directly to when it was supposed to (ie overnighted by Fedex). I had never ordered it before and neither vet had ever used it but they were both very positive about doing
Re: BooBoo is home!!Anemia ~ hemobart?
Lynne, I am remembering we also tested/treated Isabella for Hemobartenella or something like that. It's a parasite that can cause anemia and is treatable. The med is kind of expensive but not bad. If my memory serves me correctly, we treated another cat for hemobartit seems like we didn't test him. Can't remember if the test is reliable. Anyone else more familiar with this?? Thanks Laurie
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Thank you Caroline for all this info. I certainly will give it some consideration. Lynne - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:45 PM Subject: RE: BooBoo is home!! Lynne: That's great that he came through it fine. He sounds very happy. Neutered males crack me up b/c they don't seem to miss a beat after their surgery! It's like nothing happened! Don't get depressed...it's not time for that. He sounds like he's doing really well. What else about the blood work was bad? Was it just the anemia? It's possible he had such bad fleas and a lack of nutrition that he could have flea anemia and thus, it could be reversible. Don't despair yet. Something to try...I know it's gross, but I am a vegetarian and I got over it...is raw chicken livers and raw lean beef. My holistic vet had me feeding this to Monkee for his anemia. It's literally one of the best things you can do naturally to help combat the anemia. Just get a tub of chicken livers from the grocery- I personally got the ones that were Free Range, non-hormone fed chickens, or ones labeled organic b/c you don't really need him getting anything else that is bad for him right now. Chicken livers are tough so I would cut them up as best as I could and they became kind of a mush. You want to serve them room temperature, but DO NOT MICROWAVE THEM-- eww- the smell-- and you want them just room temp, not cooked- they still need to be raw. I would warm them by kind of a double-boiler process where I put the livers I was going to serve in a small bowl in a pot of hot/warm water to bring them to room temp. If BooBoo has trouble eating the raw livers, you can also blend or grind them. I used a blender myself when Monkee got weaker and seemed to need the pieces really cut up, so yeah, Monkee ended up with his own blender after that. As for the beef, you want lean ground sirloin that is low fat. I went to Whole Foods and actually got Monkee a thing of organic ground Buffalo. I was getting such a small amount (b/c I didn't know if he would eat it) that the butcher didn't even charge me when I told him it was for my sick cat. Monkee loved the Buffalo and it was actually one of the last things he ate. Again, serve it room temp, RAW, and cut it up- even tho it's ground, you still need to make bite size kitty pieces. The chicken liver blood poured on top of the beef is also really good- Monkee loved it and it's so good for treating anemia. You have nothing to lose, so you should try it. BooBoo will love love love it I am sure and it will be a nice natural treatment for his anemia. I would definitely try it before you start throwing drugs at him-- at least to see if it's just a flea anemia or anemia brought about by lack of food and proper care, as opposed to actual Felv anemia. If you are interested in the homeopathic/holistic care- which I think BooBoo could really benefit from b/c he had such a hard time before you found him- you could look for a vet in your area that is a homeopathic vet. Mine is a regular vet in addition to being a homeopathic vet. One of the homeopathic treatments for anemia is Phosphorus. You can get it at a health foods store like Whole Foods. You want the 30c pellets. You can add them to food or directly administer to the mouth, but the pills are tiny so I would sometimes crush them and put them in cat milk- something like that. Give 3-5 pellets 3 times a day. ***Again- I'm not prescribing drugs here- just so everyone is clear- homeopathics don't have an contraindications or side-affects. This is the dose my holistic vet gave me for Monkee when his anemia was active. It's another thing to try b/c you have nothing to lose- there's no dangers in trying it. caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: BooBoo is home!! Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:12:45 -0500 BooBoo just came home from his neutering. He had no trouble whatsoever with the anesthesia, has eaten, had a drink and can't stop purring. He's really happy to be home. The vet went over his blood work with us and told us it didn't look good. He's already anemic. I was so hoping for some good news. He's checking into some drugs for the future if needed and we choose to go that route. He said they are very expensive. This whole experience has sucked the life out of me. I look at this precious little guy and he has absolutely no signs of a disease yet I know he does. I am so angry with his previous owners right now. They emailed me last week when I told them the news and they pretty much suggested that we gave him this disease because he was always healthy and happy. This coming from a family who never took him to a vet. He
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Pat, BooBoo is a little pig cat. He would eat all day long if we'd feed him. He's eaten a whole can of tuna since he got home from the vet as well as some hard food and is still wanting more. Tuna in spring water seems to be his favorite. He also likes a bit of sardines for snack. I bought him a really good dry and canned food at the vets but he only seems to like the hard stuff. You know, our first cat, Chuck, who lived to 19 was a very finicky eater. Actually his favorite foods were chicken and steak. He also ate some hard crunchies but that cat loved chicken more than anything. We used to buy a bunch of friers and bake them and make up a bunch of meals in bags for him. If we ate beef, he got beef. It couldn't have been too harmful because he lived a long and healthy life. Lynne - Original Message - From: Pat Kachur To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 5:08 PM Subject: Re: BooBoo is home!! I join the chorus of don't be depressed and don't give up. I agree with just about everything the others have said. It can't be stressed too much that BooBoo needs to eat and keep eating. My Mandy gets Wellness brand food from Whole Foods and she is 6+ years old and still no symptoms other than being deaf (which may or may not be related to the leukemia virus). I hope you and BooBoo enjoy yourselves for many years. Pat - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: BooBoo is home!! BooBoo just came home from his neutering. He had no trouble whatsoever with the anesthesia, has eaten, had a drink and can't stop purring. He's really happy to be home. The vet went over his blood work with us and told us it didn't look good. He's already anemic. I was so hoping for some good news. He's checking into some drugs for the future if needed and we choose to go that route. He said they are very expensive. This whole experience has sucked the life out of me. I look at this precious little guy and he has absolutely no signs of a disease yet I know he does. I am so angry with his previous owners right now. They emailed me last week when I told them the news and they pretty much suggested that we gave him this disease because he was always healthy and happy. This coming from a family who never took him to a vet. He was a mess when we got him, totally matted, fleas and a terrible case of earmites. Now he's beautifully groomed, clean and seemingly overjoyed at being here. This all so totally new to me. We've never had a pet with an illness, let alone something like this. I swear I'm becomming depressed. I'm not gonna let BooBoo know it though. Lynne
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I'm going to start reading more about supplements and medication Sherry. I'm quite ignorant about the whole matter. Thank god for this group and all the information available here. It certainly makes the journey easier. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:31 PM Subject: Re: BooBoo is home!! Lynne dont get depressed,you are the BEST thing that happened to BooBoo(I love the name,I had a BooBoo kiyyt too) Those people are just down right awful. When My Maizee Grace was anemic I fed her Lysine and Felovite and I believe it helped her along.She was having chemo and steroids all at once.So she fought it everyday.Good luck just know you are his best chance at a decent life. Sherry Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BooBoo just came home from his neutering. He had no trouble whatsoever with the anesthesia, has eaten, had a drink and can't stop purring. He's really happy to be home. The vet went over his blood work with us and told us it didn't look good. He's already anemic. I was so hoping for some good news. He's checking into some drugs for the future if needed and we choose to go that route. He said they are very expensive. This whole experience has sucked the life out of me. I look at this precious little guy and he has absolutely no signs of a disease yet I know he does. I am so angry with his previous owners right now. They emailed me last week when I told them the news and they pretty much suggested that we gave him this disease because he was alway s healthy and happy. This coming from a family who never took him to a vet. He was a mess when we got him, totally matted, fleas and a terrible case of earmites. Now he's beautifully groomed, clean and seemingly overjoyed at being here. This all so totally new to me. We've never had a pet with an illness, let alone something like this. I swear I'm becomming depressed. I'm not gonna let BooBoo know it though. Lynne -- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
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That would be Immuno-Regulin. You will be getting lots of testimonials from people on this list about it. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: BooBoo is home!! Thank you Kerri. While still staring at the bloodwork and not believing what I was seeing, the vet did say something about immuno something, being given for 2 weeks at a time. He was going to contact a pharmacy and get the information for me. I suspect Dr. Gill isn't too terribly experienced with FelV but he seems very willing to work with the problem. I think most people around here tend to euthanize them. We have a large feral cat problem in this City and the receptionist said they have seen several cases of it lately. Again, people choose to euthanize. I guess I can understand why they would, a lot of people aren't prepared to invest a lot of emotion and money into what lies ahead. For the time being we'll just live life normally and indulge Boo and deal with problems as they arise. Lynne - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:41 PM Subject: RE: BooBoo is home!! Dear Lynne So glad BooBoo is back home safely. And, I'm so glad BooBoo found you and your husband. These people that had him are not good people. I hope they're out of your and BooBoo's life now. When I discovered 4 of my foster kittens had FeLV, I was in shock. I realized they now had to become my kittens, (they were also feral), as their adoption chances were so low (nil?). I guess what kept me going was the fact that these little souls were now at least warm and cared for (they'd been eking out a dangerous existence in sub-zero temps in someone's yard) and never had to worry about where to find their next meal again. That made me feel good. I got back much, much more. Yes, there were painful times, but knowing I did the best possible job I could to ensure their quality of life made it worth it. And Mickey threw off the virus anyway! Remember what a wonderful home you are giving to little BooBoo. Most folks want nothing to do with sick and special needs animals. You are doing something very special in adding BooBoo to your family. He may not be able to talk but I'll bet he's already letting you know how appreciative he is. I wanted to forward you this email before I leave work that I sent to someone else a while ago on immuno regulin. I was too late in getting it to use it for my Flavia, but everything I heard and read, from the folks here, and in the articles made it seem worth trying. And it wasn't expensive. Good luck! hugs to you and BooBoo, Kerry M. Dear Ken, Welcome, though I'm very sorry for the reason you had to find us. You sound like a very caring person and I'm also sorry you've found a vet who is unwilling to work with you. (I myself don't know any vets in Northern Jersey but perhaps others on the list will.) Here's the name tel # of the supplier (Revival Animal Health in Iowa) who fedexed it to 2 clinics for me overnight in July. (Total per 1 package inc shipping was $50---relatively inexpensive,) Both the vets I used/found were willing to try it even tho they had never used it before. I had to help one of them figure out the protocol using the info you'll see here. While I haven't yet had time to organise all the following into one coherent report--it's a number of emails rolled into one--I think it does contain some very background info including 3 articles.. Sending lots of healing vibes to your little Max. I highly recommend you order the IR asap and have it overnighted in the hope you'll have found an enlightened vet by the time it arrives. I left it too late. Please keep us posted when you have time. You will find this group a very caring and supportive bunch of people--it's been a godsend to me and my FeLV cats (it may be a bit slow on the weekend). Wishing very good luck to you and Max. (I'm in a timecrunch at work so have to sign off now, but fire away ANY Qs you have and others will jump in.) Kerry IR INFO: Revival's tel no is 800 786 4751. (Revival is the supplier I used.) While I sadly did not order the Immuno regulin in time to be able to use it, the Revival people were good to deal with and the IR arrived at both vet clinics that I had it sent directly to when it was supposed to (ie overnighted by Fedex). I had never ordered it before and neither vet had ever used it but they were both very positive about doing so and liaised with me about the protocol/how much to use---it comes with directions
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Lynne it is so great that BooBoo has a great appetite. That will help him enormously. There is a yahoo group called 'Raw Paws' that is devoted to natural diets for cats. There are very knowledgeable people on the list, as well as vets who think that a diet that is 'species appropriate' is the best diet for cats. You might check it out at some point. I understand your despair at discovering BooBoo's FeLV. Just know that it is not a death sentence and that you may discover that the process of caring for him and helping him thrive may be one of your most rewarding experiences. We've all gone through shock and depression, and it seems that FeLV kitties are the most wonderful and loving ones ever. Just know that there is hope and that if you can educate yourself as to the best treatments and supplements and care, you'll help him fight the battle. I've gone through the shock and depression of discovering my kittie was Felv. That was 11months ago. As I type this she is flying around the kitchen terrorizing two Scotties. Keep him purring. Jane On Feb 8, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Lynne wrote: Pat, BooBoo is a little pig cat. He would eat all day long if we'd feed him. He's eaten a whole can of tuna since he got home from the vet as well as some hard food and is still wanting more. Tuna in spring water seems to be his favorite. He also likes a bit of sardines for snack. I bought him a really good dry and canned food at the vets but he only seems to like the hard stuff. You know, our first cat, Chuck, who lived to 19 was a very finicky eater. Actually his favorite foods were chicken and steak. He also ate some hard crunchies but that cat loved chicken more than anything. We used to buy a bunch of friers and bake them and make up a bunch of meals in bags for him. If we ate beef, he got beef. It couldn't have been too harmful because he lived a long and healthy life. Lynne - Original Message - From: Pat Kachur To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 5:08 PM Subject: Re: BooBoo is home!! I join the chorus of don't be depressed and don't give up. I agree with just about everything the others have said. It can't be stressed too much that BooBoo needs to eat and keep eating. My Mandy gets Wellness brand food from Whole Foods and she is 6+ years old and still no symptoms other than being deaf (which may or may not be related to the leukemia virus). I hope you and BooBoo enjoy yourselves for many years. Pat - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: BooBoo is home!! BooBoo just came home from his neutering. He had no trouble whatsoever with the anesthesia, has eaten, had a drink and can't stop purring. He's really happy to be home. The vet went over his blood work with us and told us it didn't look good. He's already anemic. I was so hoping for some good news. He's checking into some drugs for the future if needed and we choose to go that route. He said they are very expensive. This whole experience has sucked the life out of me. I look at this precious little guy and he has absolutely no signs of a disease yet I know he does. I am so angry with his previous owners right now. They emailed me last week when I told them the news and they pretty much suggested that we gave him this disease because he was always healthy and happy. This coming from a family who never took him to a vet. He was a mess when we got him, totally matted, fleas and a terrible case of earmites. Now he's beautifully groomed, clean and seemingly overjoyed at being here. This all so totally new to me. We've never had a pet with an illness, let alone something like this. I swear I'm becomming depressed. I'm not gonna let BooBoo know it though. Lynne
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Ah, my Chuck used to sleep on my chest. Lennie, our present geriatric cat has become much more affectionate toward me since Boo has come. Len is a guys cat, has always been my husband's boy and when our son was at home, his boy. Now he actually wants to sleep on my lap. He still weighs 12 lbs but was a much heftier guy a couple years ago. BooBoo is supposedly the runt of his litter but weighs 9 lbs 4 oz so he's a good size. I'm going to try to sort out all the suggestions regarding feeding and give them the same diet. I think I will get some liver and beef and see if BooBoo will eat that as well as his regular food and tuna. I think he should have more iron in his diet. Lynne - Original Message - From: Pat Kachur To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 6:26 PM Subject: Re: BooBoo is home!! Mandy is also a little pig catshe is absolutely tiny (about 5 lbs.) but she eats constantly--and will eat just about anything. She, like your Chuck, prefers chicken--so I buy the Wellness chicken canned food. She is deaf but I swear somehow she knows when the refrigerator door opens--'cause she's right there. I believe she would jump inside if I didn't watch closely. And if there is ANY kind of chicken nearby she does her wild animal act and grabs/growls. She is really a fun kitty. I got her from a shelter for my birthday last July--and I fell in love immediately. She sleeps on top of me each night (taking several breaks to visit the food dish). Love to you and BooBoo. Pat - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 5:51 PM Subject: Re: BooBoo is home!! Pat, BooBoo is a little pig cat. He would eat all day long if we'd feed him. He's eaten a whole can of tuna since he got home from the vet as well as some hard food and is still wanting more. Tuna in spring water seems to be his favorite. He also likes a bit of sardines for snack. I bought him a really good dry and canned food at the vets but he only seems to like the hard stuff. You know, our first cat, Chuck, who lived to 19 was a very finicky eater. Actually his favorite foods were chicken and steak. He also ate some hard crunchies but that cat loved chicken more than anything. We used to buy a bunch of friers and bake them and make up a bunch of meals in bags for him. If we ate beef, he got beef. It couldn't have been too harmful because he lived a long and healthy life. Lynne - Original Message - From: Pat Kachur To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 5:08 PM Subject: Re: BooBoo is home!! I join the chorus of don't be depressed and don't give up. I agree with just about everything the others have said. It can't be stressed too much that BooBoo needs to eat and keep eating. My Mandy gets Wellness brand food from Whole Foods and she is 6+ years old and still no symptoms other than being deaf (which may or may not be related to the leukemia virus). I hope you and BooBoo enjoy yourselves for many years. Pat - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: BooBoo is home!! BooBoo just came home from his neutering. He had no trouble whatsoever with the anesthesia, has eaten, had a drink and can't stop purring. He's really happy to be home. The vet went over his blood work with us and told us it didn't look good. He's already anemic. I was so hoping for some good news. He's checking into some drugs for the future if needed and we choose to go that route. He said they are very expensive. This whole experience has sucked the life out of me. I look at this precious little guy and he has absolutely no signs of a disease yet I know he does. I am so angry with his previous owners right now. They emailed me last week when I told them the news and they pretty much suggested that we gave him this disease because he was always healthy and happy. This coming from a family who never took him to a vet. He was a mess when we got him, totally matted, fleas and a terrible case of earmites. Now he's beautifully groomed, clean and seemingly overjoyed at being here. This all so totally new to me. We've never had a pet with an illness, let alone something like this. I swear I'm becomming depressed. I'm not gonna let BooBoo know it though. Lynne
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- Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 3:12 PM Subject: BooBoo is home!! BooBoo just came home from his neutering. He had no trouble whatsoever with the anesthesia, has eaten, had a drink and can't stop purring. He's really happy to be home. The vet went over his blood work with us and told us it didn't look good. He's already anemic. I was so hoping for some good news. He's checking into some drugs for the future if needed and we choose to go that route. He said they are very expensive. This whole experience has sucked the life out of me. I look at this precious little guy and he has absolutely no signs of a disease yet I know he does. I am so angry with his previous owners right now. They emailed me last week when I told them the news and they pretty much suggested that we gave him this disease because he was always healthy and happy. This coming from a family who never took him to a vet. He was a mess when we got him, totally matted, fleas and a terrible case of earmites. Now he's beautifully groomed, clean and seemingly overjoyed at being here. This all so totally new to me. We've never had a pet with an illness, let alone something like this. I swear I'm becomming depressed. I'm not gonna let BooBoo know it though. Lynne
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Sounds like you need some time to digest all these suggestions.keep us up to date on BooBoo. - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 6:35 PM Subject: Re: BooBoo is home!! Ah, my Chuck used to sleep on my chest. Lennie, our present geriatric cat has become much more affectionate toward me since Boo has come. Len is a guys cat, has always been my husband's boy and when our son was at home, his boy. Now he actually wants to sleep on my lap. He still weighs 12 lbs but was a much heftier guy a couple years ago. BooBoo is supposedly the runt of his litter but weighs 9 lbs 4 oz so he's a good size. I'm going to try to sort out all the suggestions regarding feeding and give them the same diet. I think I will get some liver and beef and see if BooBoo will eat that as well as his regular food and tuna. I think he should have more iron in his diet. Lynne - Original Message - From: Pat Kachur To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 6:26 PM Subject: Re: BooBoo is home!! Mandy is also a little pig catshe is absolutely tiny (about 5 lbs.) but she eats constantly--and will eat just about anything. She, like your Chuck, prefers chicken--so I buy the Wellness chicken canned food. She is deaf but I swear somehow she knows when the refrigerator door opens--'cause she's right there. I believe she would jump inside if I didn't watch closely. And if there is ANY kind of chicken nearby she does her wild animal act and grabs/growls. She is really a fun kitty. I got her from a shelter for my birthday last July--and I fell in love immediately. She sleeps on top of me each night (taking several breaks to visit the food dish). Love to you and BooBoo. Pat - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 5:51 PM Subject: Re: BooBoo is home!! Pat, BooBoo is a little pig cat. He would eat all day long if we'd feed him. He's eaten a whole can of tuna since he got home from the vet as well as some hard food and is still wanting more. Tuna in spring water seems to be his favorite. He also likes a bit of sardines for snack. I bought him a really good dry and canned food at the vets but he only seems to like the hard stuff. You know, our first cat, Chuck, who lived to 19 was a very finicky eater. Actually his favorite foods were chicken and steak. He also ate some hard crunchies but that cat loved chicken more than anything. We used to buy a bunch of friers and bake them and make up a bunch of meals in bags for him. If we ate beef, he got beef. It couldn't have been too harmful because he lived a long and healthy life. Lynne - Original Message - From: Pat Kachur To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 5:08 PM Subject: Re: BooBoo is home!! I join the chorus of don't be depressed and don't give up. I agree with just about everything the others have said. It can't be stressed too much that BooBoo needs to eat and keep eating. My Mandy gets Wellness brand food from Whole Foods and she is 6+ years old and still no symptoms other than being deaf (which may or may not be related to the leukemia virus). I hope you and BooBoo enjoy yourselves for many years. Pat - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: BooBoo is home!! BooBoo just came home from his neutering. He had no trouble whatsoever with the anesthesia, has eaten, had a drink and can't stop purring. He's really happy to be home. The vet went over his blood work with us and told us it didn't look good. He's already anemic. I was so hoping for some good news. He's checking into some drugs for the future if needed and we choose to go that route. He said they are very expensive. This whole experience has sucked the life out of me. I look at this precious little guy and he has absolutely no signs of a disease yet I know he does. I am so angry with his previous owners right now. They emailed me last week when I told them the news and they pretty much suggested that we gave him this disease because he was always healthy and happy. This coming from a family who never took him to a vet. He was a mess when we got him, totally matted, fleas and a terrible case of earmites. Now he's beautifully groomed, clean and seemingly overjoyed at being here. This all so totally new to me. We've never had a pet with an illness, let alone something like this. I swear I'm becomming depressed. I'm not gonna let BooBoo know it though. Lynne
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Mandy is also a little pig catshe is absolutely tiny (about 5 lbs.) but she eats constantly--and will eat just about anything. She, like your Chuck, prefers chicken--so I buy the Wellness chicken canned food. She is deaf but I swear somehow she knows when the refrigerator door opens--'cause she's right there. I believe she would jump inside if I didn't watch closely. And if there is ANY kind of chicken nearby she does her wild animal act and grabs/growls. She is really a fun kitty. I got her from a shelter for my birthday last July--and I fell in love immediately. She sleeps on top of me each night (taking several breaks to visit the food dish). Love to you and BooBoo. Pat - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 5:51 PM Subject: Re: BooBoo is home!! Pat, BooBoo is a little pig cat. He would eat all day long if we'd feed him. He's eaten a whole can of tuna since he got home from the vet as well as some hard food and is still wanting more. Tuna in spring water seems to be his favorite. He also likes a bit of sardines for snack. I bought him a really good dry and canned food at the vets but he only seems to like the hard stuff. You know, our first cat, Chuck, who lived to 19 was a very finicky eater. Actually his favorite foods were chicken and steak. He also ate some hard crunchies but that cat loved chicken more than anything. We used to buy a bunch of friers and bake them and make up a bunch of meals in bags for him. If we ate beef, he got beef. It couldn't have been too harmful because he lived a long and healthy life. Lynne - Original Message - From: Pat Kachur To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 5:08 PM Subject: Re: BooBoo is home!! I join the chorus of don't be depressed and don't give up. I agree with just about everything the others have said. It can't be stressed too much that BooBoo needs to eat and keep eating. My Mandy gets Wellness brand food from Whole Foods and she is 6+ years old and still no symptoms other than being deaf (which may or may not be related to the leukemia virus). I hope you and BooBoo enjoy yourselves for many years. Pat - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: BooBoo is home!! BooBoo just came home from his neutering. He had no trouble whatsoever with the anesthesia, has eaten, had a drink and can't stop purring. He's really happy to be home. The vet went over his blood work with us and told us it didn't look good. He's already anemic. I was so hoping for some good news. He's checking into some drugs for the future if needed and we choose to go that route. He said they are very expensive. This whole experience has sucked the life out of me. I look at this precious little guy and he has absolutely no signs of a disease yet I know he does. I am so angry with his previous owners right now. They emailed me last week when I told them the news and they pretty much suggested that we gave him this disease because he was always healthy and happy. This coming from a family who never took him to a vet. He was a mess when we got him, totally matted, fleas and a terrible case of earmites. Now he's beautifully groomed, clean and seemingly overjoyed at being here. This all so totally new to me. We've never had a pet with an illness, let alone something like this. I swear I'm becomming depressed. I'm not gonna let BooBoo know it though. Lynne
