Sorry for the extra mail, folks. Melissa alerted me that messages she
sent to the list were not being received. So, I'm sending a test just
to be sure it isn't affecting the whole group. I suspect it may be a
problem with AOL (it's happened before). If other AOL users would
please respond, I'd
I have one that loves kisses. I can ask him if he wants a kiss and he will
stand on his two hind legs and head butt my lips.
Then there is Simba. LOL Who is just not a touchy feely kinda guy... He is
so funny. I get mushy with him and he acts like I am giving him cooties.
Then he storms
What about that stuff someone talked about that's a liquid like milk, but full of nutrients? Kind of like "Ensure" for cats? I don't remember what it's called..Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How about Milk with a raw egg, or cook him up some chicken without any spicesI also
I know, but my point is that it's nearly impossible to ever know for sure. I guess you could know for sure if you knew the parents of all your cats werenegative throughout their lives for sure..?Even so, I 'think' they could have tested negative but have the virus sequestered in the body
Martin certainly is one lucky wabbit!!
ttamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wow. And I thought having guinea pigs, dogs and cats could get complicated.I think I'll stay away from rabbits!
Martin is very lucky to have you! (LOVE the name! Did you know it means "FRIEND"?)[EMAIL
Enjoy![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On vacation that is...we fly out of Boston tomorrow at 8 AM for sunny Mexico for 1 week. I'm not bringing my laptop so I won't be in touch. To everyone going through the tough times hang in there, I'll be sure to catch up on my reading when I get back.Kristi
Anne,
I'm sorry about Ezra. I understand about staying on for sentimental reasons. I don't think I would leave the list even if I didn't havea positive because I've been on here so long.
take care,
Tonyaanne sterling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hello. would the administrator of this list please
I used to have the same with Snowball, always getting and giving kisses, he would even lick my lips, Candy tolerates it, Amber will only get kisses and hugs if she can still move freely, hold her and kiss her forget it. Cleo wants it only on her terms, when she is ready (like now) she comes and
Tonya
That is a pretty good rule of thumb, my concern is since it was hiding in Snowball, and now Amber has it, could it be hiding in another? The way Snowball past was so horrid, I can still see him with all the blood down his chest on his pure white coat, it was terrible I never want to have
In your situation I would retest everyone in 90 days - six monthsor so and then forget it unless someone new turned up positive. Just my opinion. They've already been mixed, so I think anyone that doesn't turn up positive within 6 months probably isn't going to.
tCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL
I have a question. If the cat is vaccinated for Felv will that same cat test positive after receiving the vaccine. I know this to be true of my large Parrots who did test or show a known virus in the blood test. I have a good Vet, but the knowledge of this to even him is a bit sketchy.
Thanks
Simon is still here, though I keep thinking he is so weak he is about to go.
He has not had food since yesterday afternoon, and only 1 cc then. He spends
most of his time sleeping and cuddling, waking up and rolling over for belly
rubs and purring. He loves to be spooned and held against my
I just want to cry when I read of your ordeal. Simon is incredibly lucky to
have you in his life. My prayers are with you and Simon.
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Have any of you used Torbutrol or another form of Butorphenol for pain?
Simon does not seem to be in pain, just weak and perhaps dizzy or something
when
he walks, but I read that liver cancer can cause pain. I have Torbutrol here,
which was prescribed for a dog, and someone sent me the link
Michelle,
It sounds like, for the most part, Simon is happy. He does seem to get disturbed when his body betrays him...but it sounds as if your reassurance helps him to quickly overcome that distress.
Perhaps the reason this is being drawn out like it is is so that when he does go, along with
Yeah, that's just KMR milk substitute for kittens. We
tried to give it to Gary when she had a URI, just to
get some extra nutrients in her (and it's easier to
syringe than food.) You'd have to give a full size
cat a LOT for it to add up to their daily calorie
requirement but it's better than no
Also use Rebound which is good for nursing mom cats and sick
cats. Very inexpensive.
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Have you tried Baby food, or cooking him something squishy? I have heard when cats won't eat try turkey baby food, the 1stage food.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Simon is still here, though I keep thinking he is so weak he is about to go. He has not had food since yesterday afternoon, and only 1 cc
I gotchaAOL user here.
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Sorry for the extra mail, folks. Melissa alerted me that messages she sent to the list were not being received. So, I'm sending a test just to be sure it isn't affecting the
Have fun...don't get sunburned!
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Enjoy![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On vacation that is...we fly out of Boston tomorrow at 8 AM for sunny Mexico for 1 week. I'm not bringing my laptop so I won't be in touch.
Dear Michelle
Thank you for keeping us up to date. I feel privileged to be part of
what you're both going through -- I'm sure I'm not alone in feeling I'm
almost there with you. Please know I'm certainly with you and Simon in
spirit. He surely knows he could never wish for a better friend than
Thanks I think I will.catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In your situation I would retest everyone in 90 days - six monthsor so and then forget it unless someone new turned up positive. Just my opinion. They've already been mixed, so I think anyone that doesn't turn up positive within 6 months
The kidney workup came back normal and the CBC came back normal, if
indicative of an FeLV positive status (slightly anemic, slightly elevated
white blood
cell count, all normal for an FeLV positive cat). The doctor was able to
rule out infection and kidney problems, leaving two real
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Martin certainly is one lucky wabbit!!
ttamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Wow. And I thought having guinea pigs, dogs and cats could get
complicated.I think I'll stay
Melissa, I am sorry about Growler. My prayers are with you for a speedy
healing.
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My so sorry you had to make the decision. It's something we all don't take too lightly but you did the right thing to keep her from suffering anymore. She is now a furangel running and free of illnesses with all the others that have passed. She will await for you when the time comes for you
Oh Melissa, I'm so sorry it came to this, but it sounds like you gave her every possible chance and did the kindest thing you could by helping her to the Bridge. Not that that makes it any easier to get through sending e-hugs HUGS[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The kidney workup came back normal and
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I assume
that without food he will get weak enough soon that he won't want to walk
around, or sick enough that it will be no question as to what I should
do. I wish that one of these times
Lisa, yes they do (as do all rodents), butguinea pigs hamsters, micedon't typically live as long as rabbits, so I think overall there is less chance of developing those complicationsor perhaps I was just lucky.tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wow. And I thought having guinea
Bless you and Growler...just keep peace in knowing she is pain free,a nd
running through mouse filled fields now
Lisaand
fur-bratsAkira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar
Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESSLance- Mini wire haired
dashchundBow-Tie- 2yr old
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Lisa,
yes they do (as do all rodents), butguinea pigs hamsters,
micedon't typically live as long as rabbits, so I think overall
there is less chance of developing those
Is there a rabbit group/list? My friend
recently acquired a rabbit for her daughter (daddy is allergic to cats) and
shemight be interested in such a group.
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(Lisa writes: "Without food..either the liver or kidneys will shut down..I dont remember which one..How is his jaundice? Have you tried making him the liver shake..or letting him have bits of raw chicken livers? It would help the anemia..adn I dont kow many cats who can refuse to eat them...even
Michelle, my thoughts and prayers are with you - I've been thru this sort
of thing. Will he take Pedialyte? You're doing so well, and giving him a
great gift by taking care of him.
Gloria
At 10:27 AM 1/11/2005, you wrote:
I just want to cry when I read of your ordeal. Simon is incredibly
Melissa
I am very sorry to hear of the passing of Growler. It is better to
have shared your happy times together and not let her suffer. I am
sure she is watching over you know as you did her while she was
here in your life.
My heart goes out to you
Carla
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Anne
If
you're still on the list, just want to say how sorry I am to hear about Ezra.
She had a good life because of you. May the sweet memories of your little kitty
comfort you.Kerry
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Lisa,
Yikes, I'm sorry for how she passed, how aweful...it does sound like some sort of brain injury...but I've never heard of anything exactly like that.
Tybear-Romeo, Alvin Arthur all died pretty much the samestretched out flat on the floor of their cage biting on the bars.actually
Melissa, I'm so sorry to hear the sad news about Growler. I can well
understand how the fact she was your first taming success makes losing
her even harder to bear. It is such an agonizing decision, to have a
kitty put to sleep. My own feeling is that if life has become painful
and pleasureless,
Melissa,
I'm so sorry to hear you had to say goodbye to Growler.
It'srarely easy to make that decision, and the first time is always the
hardest,but I'm sure that if she could say so, she'd thank you for
releasing her. Try to keep in mind, If it was easy to let them go, we
wouldn't have
I got it too. Another AOL user.
(Michelle),
Humans do that kind of thing too. It's called terminal restlessness.
Basically, his brain knows he's running out of time and is trying to look for
something it thinks it needs to keep going. He will eventually get to weak
to stand. I understand how hard it is to keep
Kathy,
Eloquently stated! Thank you, from those of us who have been there..but didn't have the words.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(Michelle),
Humans do that kind of thing too. It's called terminal restlessness. Basically, his brain knows he's running out of time and is trying to look for
Thanks. Comes from doing end of life/palliative care for
people.
Kathy"Every time you meet a situation, though you
think at the time it is an impossibility and you go through the tortures of the
damned, once you have met it and lived through it, you find that forever after
you are freer
I have one that loves kisses. I can ask him if he wants a
kiss and he will stand on his two hind legs and head butt my
lips.
Iolaus loves to nurse on my ear lobe. I'll let him, but I'll ask him
to give me a kiss first, and he will do a brief nurse on my lip, then go to my
right ear lobe.
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That's incredible!
I'm way behind you guys.
However, a little progress was made in the
last few daysLevy, the most ferocious (if a small grey furball can be
described as ferocious!) of the FeLV kitties, all feral, has..amazingly...once
again deigned to sit on my lap.
well, he was actually sitting on the blanket, NOT your lap. big difference:) I've known cats who would sit on blankets or pillows, but NOT laps. I grew up with a kitty like that.
What kind of litter do you use? how many boxes are there and do you use the same litter in each and does he display
Kerry,
Does Levy have a temperature? Any other symptoms besides his behavior
changes? I'm not sure what he's doing in the litter box. Could he be
smelling where he just went? Maybe there's something off about his
urination/defecation that he's smelling? I've heard that cement
That's too cute! :) Sounds like my Ewok (nickname Burboy--short for Baby
Boy because he was the last born and subsequently the youngest as far as cat
siblings go!)...our living room, front room and kitchen are set up like a race
track...if I set out in one direction, he takes off in the other
Michelle,
If you can get the pepcid or reglan in him, it will help with nausea.
A couple people I've been with who had liver cancer were pretty nauseous.
If you can get the meds in, and his reaction to food is from nausea, then he may
eat a little again - probably not much, but a little.
Some kitties that are anemic will eat litter.
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Hi Kerry!
I would definitely have some blood drawn to check his values! Licking cement
(I even had one start licking the tiles in the shower) or clay along with
lethargy can be the first sign of anemia!
In fact, that's how I first had suspicions about a couple of our cats who had
My Siggie is a smoochy-cat too!
=^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5
furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^=
Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My
FeLV Site:
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Thanks
Barb, Nina, Belinda Jen
I use
only Exquisicat, Petsmarts own brand. Scoopable - I guess it's clay-based.
It works well, and it's the best value/performance combo I've found.
Hmmm,
yes, Ido believehe's gone to the same box each time.
I have
3 boxes between 5 of
Goodnight, sweet Growler...
=^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5
furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^=
Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My
FeLV Site:
so sorry for the loss of your furbaby. January is really a cruel month.
take care,
Barbara
I have been very busy at work, but I want you to know that Snowball and Growler have been in my thoughts.
JoanBarbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
so sorry for the loss of your furbaby. January is really a cruel month. take care,Barbara
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sorry so late to thank everyone who took the time
to help me debate over continuing the use of this. I'm going to schedule some
bloodwork for Mr. Bean to see what's happening if any change in him and will
then go from there.
thanks,
Barbara
Thank you Joan
CherieJoan Doljan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have been very busy at work, but I want you to know that Snowball and Growler have been in my thoughts.
JoanBarbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
so sorry for the loss of your furbaby. January is really a cruel month. take care,Barbara
Kathy,
You are truly an amazing person, and your messages are so helpful. I am
crying as I write, which I really have not done much-- I've more been racked
with stress, unable to eat or sleep, and truly frightened (even though I have
been through SO many deaths before, this process with
would you recommend (assuming it's even possible logistically)
euthanasia when the death howl is heard? I note that you say it may or may not
indicate pain or anxiety, soI would think it better not to take the chance
on having them suffer for 2 hours (which is after all, an eternity when
Cheri
I am sorry too to hear of Snowballs passing I was off list and
missed a few that passed.
My heart goes out to you also
Carla
His anemia is from the lymphoma taking over his bone marrow, so nothing like
liver (which is good for iron) will help his anemia-- he is not producing the
red blood cells, it's not for lack of iron. His liver is already very
compromised as well-- his jaundice, which is worse but still not as
Michelle,
Thanks. I'm, glad I've been able to help.
It sounds like you are doing everything you can to make his time as
comfortable as possible. It also sounds like Simon's probably going to
just drift off when it's time (he'd be more upset now, not sleeping most of the
time, if he was
No, Michelle, it's absolutely not terrible. You're doing the most loving
thing anyone could do.
Please know you and Simon are in my thoughts constantly. And I will pray
he passes peacefully, in your arms. much love to you all, Kerry
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Kathy, once again thank you for your much
appreciated reply. (Which I now accidentally seem to have lost, but not before I
was able to read it.) Kerry
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When someone is close to death, organs shut down no matter what we do to
try to prevent it, and food won't make any difference with that. Stay with
him. Don't risk being away from home if he passes tonight. If he's
not eating or drinking, needs help to go to the bathroom, and is sleeping
Yes, all of the above. I think he is past eating.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/11/05 12:37:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Have you tried Baby food, or cooking him something squishy? I have heard
when cats won't eat try turkey baby food, the 1stage food.
Thanks.
Kathy"Every time you meet a situation, though you
think at the time it is an impossibility and you go through the tortures of the
damned, once you have met it and lived through it, you find that forever after
you are freer than you were before." ~ Eleanor
Roosevelt
No there was something else someone mentioned. It's kind of new I think..Jill Poe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah, that's just KMR milk substitute for kittens. Wetried to give it to Gary when she had a URI, just toget some extra nutrients in her (and it's easier tosyringe than food.) You'd have
So sorry to hear that MIchelle...my heart goes out to you.Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, all of the above. I think he is past eating.MichelleIn a message dated 1/11/05 12:37:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you tried Baby food, or cooking him something squishy? I have heard when cats
I'm sorry about Growler, Melissa. You've gone above and beyond with your rescues.
Tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The kidney workup came back normal and the CBC came back normal, if indicative of an FeLV positive status (slightly anemic, slightly elevated white blood cell count, all normal for an
Thank you, I will forward these links to my friend.
Del
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