Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch

2012-03-09 Thread Lorrie
On 03-07, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 $150.00 for life long care of a cat is not enough.  The place I
  have chosen for my babies requests $400.00 per year per catX the
  number of years you expect the cat to live.  This seams to be more
  in line consdering what I put out each year on my cats. 

This is what alerted me to the problems ahead for Caboodle. When
searching for a sanctuary for my cats a couple of years ago, I
checked with them and when they said only $150. per cat I questioned
them about this not being enough, and they got very defensive.  Some
sanctuaries like Tabby's Place in NJ, charge $15,000, which is very
high but more realistic, as vet bills over the years can easily cost
that much. I think there must be some good sanctuaries somewhere in
between these prices.

Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch

2012-03-09 Thread Edna Taylor

The few places I have checked require a $10,000 stipend PER cat and that is 
what I would expect with health issues as cats get older.
 
 

 Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 06:58:55 -0500
 From: felineres...@frontier.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch
 
 On 03-07, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 
  $150.00 for life long care of a cat is not enough. The place I
  have chosen for my babies requests $400.00 per year per catX the
  number of years you expect the cat to live. This seams to be more
  in line consdering what I put out each year on my cats. 
 
 This is what alerted me to the problems ahead for Caboodle. When
 searching for a sanctuary for my cats a couple of years ago, I
 checked with them and when they said only $150. per cat I questioned
 them about this not being enough, and they got very defensive. Some
 sanctuaries like Tabby's Place in NJ, charge $15,000, which is very
 high but more realistic, as vet bills over the years can easily cost
 that much. I think there must be some good sanctuaries somewhere in
 between these prices.
 
 Lorrie
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

2012-03-08 Thread Sharyl
I know others have also responded Natalie about TNR.  TNR is one of the best 
ways of fighting the spread of FeLV.  In my experience a positive momma will 
have positive kittens.  Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in 
a feral colony.  I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies.  The adult males 
and females are released back after recovery from their surgeries.  Males 1 day 
and females 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK.   The kittens I tame and try 
to adopt out.  The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these 
feral/hard stray colonies.  My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only 
happy outside in his colony.  We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but 
we can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have 
been spayed/neutered.  At least that way the population is controlled. 
 
The real problem is feeders who do not TNR.  That's how these feral/hard stray 
colonies get out of control.  Managing these colonies means responsible s/n, 
feeding and medical treatment when needed.  
 
JMHO
Sharyl
 


 From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links
  

I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of 
them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the ways 
that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for.  Some groups spay cats and 
release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known 
fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, 
and even disembowelment due to ruptures.
Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care!
I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 
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Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

2012-03-08 Thread GRAS
Believe me, I am 100% onboard with TNR, it’s just not for me.  I have tried 
several times to set-up colonies in Greenwich, but could not get anyone to 
become responsible caretakers….TNR colonies require really dedicated and 
responsible people, not part-time do-gooders who have no idea how much work 
goes into caring for a colony to keep it healthy. And as I said before, I am 
totally against the immediate release after surgery (spay/neuter, especially in 
the winter))….but you would be surprised how many keep doing it with horrible 
results; their philosophy is that even though they lose a few, they’ve done 
their part!

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 3:37 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

 

I know others have also responded Natalie about TNR.  TNR is one of the best 
ways of fighting the spread of FeLV.  In my experience a positive momma will 
have positive kittens.  Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in 
a feral colony.  I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies.  The adult males 
and females are released back after recovery from their surgeries.  Males 1 day 
and females 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK.   The kittens I tame and try 
to adopt out.  The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these 
feral/hard stray colonies.  My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only 
happy outside in his colony.  We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but 
we can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have 
been spayed/neutered.  At least that way the population is controlled. 

 

The real problem is feeders who do not TNR.  That's how these feral/hard stray 
colonies get out of control.  Managing these colonies means responsible s/n, 
feeding and medical treatment when needed.  

 

JMHO

Sharyl

 

From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

 

I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of 
them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the ways 
that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for.  Some groups spay cats and 
release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known 
fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, 
and even disembowelment due to ruptures.

Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care!

I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 
cats!

Natalie

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

2012-03-08 Thread MaiMaiPG
I lost two feral females three days after they were spayed.  They were  
kept up, safe and cared for.  They were fine when I checked them the  
night before.  Two wonderful girls, unrelated, spayed at different  
times by different vets, seemingly very healthy.  It is bad enough  
that they died.  It would have been a lot worse had they died after  
being releasedat least from the point of other animals causing  
even more pain.  Maybe the cats would not agree.  I won't even bring a  
cat who has been spayed home for three days now.

On Mar 8, 2012, at 6:58 AM, GRAS wrote:

Believe me, I am 100% onboard with TNR, it’s just not for me.  I  
have tried several times to set-up colonies in Greenwich, but could  
not get anyone to become responsible caretakers….TNR colonies  
require really dedicated and responsible people, not part-time do- 
gooders who have no idea how much work goes into caring for a colony  
to keep it healthy. And as I said before, I am totally against the  
immediate release after surgery (spay/neuter, especially in the  
winter))….but you would be surprised how many keep doing it with  
horrible results; their philosophy is that even though they lose a  
few, they’ve done their part!


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
] On Behalf Of Sharyl

Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 3:37 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links


I know others have also responded Natalie about TNR.  TNR is one of  
the best ways of fighting the spread of FeLV.  In my experience a  
positive momma will have positive kittens.  Fix the momma and you  
stop the spread of the disease in a feral colony.  I also do TNR and  
manage 2 feral colonies.  The adult males and females are released  
back after recovery from their surgeries.  Males 1 day and females  
3-4 days as long as they are doing OK.   The kittens I tame and try  
to adopt out.  The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage  
these feral/hard stray colonies.  My oldest feral is a 7+ year old  
male who is only happy outside in his colony.  We can't take all  
these feral/hard strays in but we can give them a healthy, stress  
free life in their colonies once they have been spayed/neutered.  At  
least that way the population is controlled.


The real problem is feeders who do not TNR.  That's how these feral/ 
hard stray colonies get out of control.  Managing these colonies  
means responsible s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed.


JMHO
Sharyl

From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking  
care of them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like  
some of the ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for.   
Some groups spay cats and release them almost immediately, even in  
freezing weather (when it is a known fact that healing is seriously  
hindered) , and such consequences as infections, and even  
disembowelment due to ruptures.
Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with  
medical care!
I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care  
for 700 cats!

Natalie


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Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

2012-03-07 Thread Maureen Olvey

I thought he did take in ferals at his ranch.  Ones that were pulled from 
animal control or had to be relocated.  Heard that years ago so I'm not sure.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 23:17:08 -0500
From: g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links



I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of 
them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the ways 
that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for.  Some groups spay cats and 
release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known 
fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, 
and even disembowelment due to ruptures.Yes, one should expect cats at such a 
ranch to be provided with medical care!I can’t even imagine how many people are 
required to seriously care for 700 cats!Natalie From: 
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 10:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links 
consider how many times TNR's put domestic cats back on the street if there 
were feeders? (I'm not one of them, but consider that, before condemning the 
guy.) You mean the policy of returning cats to a feral colony if the colony 
has a feeder?..how that fits into this situation? TNR is for ferals not 
housecats.Though in some cases_such as mine I trap cats on the loose, ferals or 
not. If feral they go to a feral colony, if not I try to find owner, education 
goes so far, most people will want to keep the cat in/out but at least the cat 
is neutered now and won't be making more. If possible I take in the cat, list 
as found and if it is not claimed I put him up for adoption_taking in all tame 
cats is just not possible but I do try to bring in the declaweds and kittens._ 
I don't just abandon the cat out there, I make sure it has shelter and a 
feeder.I know very well this is considered cruel by a sector of the pop and 
that's ok, we all have a right to our opinion.  But I don't understand how this 
fits with Caboodle, you mean because he had all these cats roaming the property 
and they weren't taken care of? If so I would say that since he said Caboodle 
was a sanctuary that implies the cats are to be taken care of, if sick taken to 
a vet etc._Very different from a feral colony where the intentions are the same 
but  nobody wants a colony of sick cats and yet there are ferals that will die 
rather than walk in a trap; I know I had one of these. We tried for half a year 
to trap him and in his last months it was evident that he would have had to be 
euthanized. We just could not, and one day we found him dead. It happens often 
and makes caretakers feel awful. A sanctuary OTOH is expected to treat each and 
every cat. A sanctuary is not just a place to leave a pet, walk away and forget 
all about it. That is why a person is expected to fund the cat care. Granted 
some of the cats could have been dumped at the place and no money to support 
them. But it wasn't the majority, and if CG couldn't afford them did he ask 
rescues to take them? I don't know that, I can't side with either story but 
just wanted to comment on that remark abt TNR and how it fit with the CR 
situation, I think it doesn't.Martahttp://homelessnomore.webs.com/
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Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

2012-03-07 Thread Beth
Wouldn't surprise me. Some of the AC's around here send animals to these places 
to keep their euthanasia rates down. Really sad. Animals would be better off 
being put down

Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:


I thought he did take in ferals at his ranch.  Ones that were pulled from 
animal control or had to be relocated.  Heard that years ago so I'm not sure.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 23:17:08 -0500
From: g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links



I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of 
them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the ways 
that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for.  Some groups spay cats and 
release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known 
fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as 
infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures.Yes, one should expect 
cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care!I can’t even imagine how 
many people are required to seriously care for 700 cats!Natalie From: 
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 10:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links 
consider how many times TNR's put domestic cats back on the street if there 
were feeders? (I'm not one of them, but consider that, before condemning the 
guy.) You mean the policy of returning cats to a feral colony if the colony 
has a feeder?..how that fits into this situation? TNR is for ferals not 
housecats.Though in some cases_such as mine I trap cats on the loose, ferals 
or not. If feral they go to a feral colony, if not I try to find owner, 
education goes so far, most people will want to keep the cat in/out but at 
least the cat is neutered now and won't be making more. If possible I take in 
the cat, list as found and if it is not claimed I put him up for 
adoption_taking in all tame cats is just not possible but I do try to bring in 
the declaweds and kittens._ I don't just abandon the cat out there, I make 
sure it has shelter and a feeder.I know very well this is considered cruel by 
a sector of the pop and that's ok, we all have a right to our opinion.  But I 
don't understand how this fits with Caboodle, you mean because he had all 
these cats roaming the property and they weren't taken care of? If so I would 
say that since he said Caboodle was a sanctuary that implies the cats are to 
be taken care of, if sick taken to a vet etc._Very different from a feral 
colony where the intentions are the same but  nobody wants a colony of sick 
cats and yet there are ferals that will die rather than walk in a trap; I know 
I had one of these. We tried for half a year to trap him and in his last 
months it was evident that he would have had to be euthanized. We just could 
not, and one day we found him dead. It happens often and makes caretakers feel 
awful. A sanctuary OTOH is expected to treat each and every cat. A sanctuary 
is not just a place to leave a pet, walk away and forget all about it. That is 
why a person is expected to fund the cat care. Granted some of the cats could 
have been dumped at the place and no money to support them. But it wasn't the 
majority, and if CG couldn't afford them did he ask rescues to take them? I 
don't know that, I can't side with either story but just wanted to comment on 
that remark abt TNR and how it fit with the CR situation, I think it 
doesn't.Martahttp://homelessnomore.webs.com/
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Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

2012-03-06 Thread Marta Gasper
consider how many times TNR's put domestic cats back on the street if there 
were feeders? (I'm not one of them, but consider that, before condemning the 
guy.)
 
You mean the policy of returning cats to a feral colony if the colony has a 
feeder?..how that fits into this situation? TNR is for ferals not housecats.
Though in some cases_such as mine I trap cats on the loose, ferals or not. If 
feral they go to a feral colony, if not I try to find owner, education goes so 
far, most people will want to keep the cat in/out but at least the cat is 
neutered now and won't be making more. If possible I take in the cat, list as 
found and if it is not claimed I put him up for adoption_taking in all tame 
cats is just not possible but I do try to bring in the declaweds and kittens._ 
I don't just abandon the cat out there, I make sure it has shelter and a feeder.
I know very well this is considered cruel by a sector of the pop and that's ok, 
we all have a right to our opinion. 
 
But I don't understand how this fits with Caboodle, you mean because he had all 
these cats roaming the property and they weren't taken care of? If so I would 
say that since he said Caboodle was a sanctuary that implies the cats are to be 
taken care of, if sick taken to a vet etc._Very different from a feral colony 
where the intentions are the same but  nobody wants a colony of sick cats and 
yet there are ferals that will die rather than walk in a trap; I know I had one 
of these. We tried for half a year to trap him and in his last months it was 
evident that he would have had to be euthanized. We just could not, and one day 
we found him dead. It happens often and makes caretakers feel awful.
 
A sanctuary OTOH is expected to treat each and every cat. A sanctuary is not 
just a place to leave a pet, walk away and forget all about it. That is why a 
person is expected to fund the cat care. Granted some of the cats could have 
been dumped at the place and no money to support them. But it wasn't the 
majority, and if CG couldn't afford them did he ask rescues to take them? I 
don't know that, I can't side with either story but just wanted to comment on 
that remark abt TNR and how it fit with the CR situation, I think it doesn't.
Marta
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Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

2012-03-06 Thread GRAS
ASPCA removed 700 cats from Caboodle Ranch - I tried posting it here this
morning, even in three parts, it was still too large., and kept bouncing
back, saying it has to be reviewed.. If anyone would like to see it, let me
know and I will forward TO YOU.  Natalie

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dana giordano
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 9:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

 

Just info on the caboodle ranch issue: 

 

This place gets a lot of media attention and volunteers. 

 

Personally, while he's not perfect, he was not alone in this work, so it
seems at least worth it to consider he got steamrolled. 

 

I've been reading about it and it really seems like it may have been part of
an overall political move by PETA (who tends to kill animals, not save them
- check their stats.) 

 

PETA apparently wants to stop the bill that will allow rescues to pull the
animals slated to die from the county shelter and is using this issue as a
platform. ASPCA was involved but I think PETA was pretty much running that
show. And if there is one org I do NOT trust it is PETA. (So now you know
where my bias is.) 

 

 

Anyway, If you're interested in reading more: 

 

http://blogs.catster.com/the-cats-meow-a-cat-and-kitten-blog/caboodle-ranch-
the-other-side-of-the-story/2012/03/05/

 

 

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-03-02/story/embattled-caboodle-ranch
-operator-says-confiscated-records-detail-his

 


If you want to support the guy, there is a Caboodle Ranch petition:

 

http://www.change.org/petitions/free-craig-grant-and-open-caboodle-ranch-fre
e-craig-grant-and-open-caboodle-ranch?utm_medium=facebook
http://www.change.org/petitions/free-craig-grant-and-open-caboodle-ranch-fr
ee-craig-grant-and-open-caboodle-ranch?utm_medium=facebookutm_source=share_
petitionutm_term=autopublish
utm_source=share_petitionutm_term=autopublish#

 

 

I hope the cats will end up in a safe place and not euthed. Remember, more
than anything, it is the cats who now are in bigger danger now, then they
were at the ranch. 

Also - consider how many times TNR's put domestic cats back on the street if
there were feeders? (I'm not one of them, but consider that, before
condemning the guy.)

 

This is a sad story. I hope we hear better news for all the animals
involved. 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

2012-03-06 Thread GRAS
I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of
them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don't like some of the
ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for.  Some groups spay cats
and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a
known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as
infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures.

Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical
care!

I can't even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700
cats!

Natalie

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 10:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

 

consider how many times TNR's put domestic cats back on the street if
there were feeders? (I'm not one of them, but consider that, before
condemning the guy.)

 

You mean the policy of returning cats to a feral colony if the colony has a
feeder?..how that fits into this situation? TNR is for ferals not housecats.

Though in some cases_such as mine I trap cats on the loose, ferals or not.
If feral they go to a feral colony, if not I try to find owner, education
goes so far, most people will want to keep the cat in/out but at least the
cat is neutered now and won't be making more. If possible I take in the cat,
list as found and if it is not claimed I put him up for adoption_taking in
all tame cats is just not possible but I do try to bring in the declaweds
and kittens._ I don't just abandon the cat out there, I make sure it has
shelter and a feeder.

I know very well this is considered cruel by a sector of the pop and that's
ok, we all have a right to our opinion. 

 

But I don't understand how this fits with Caboodle, you mean because he had
all these cats roaming the property and they weren't taken care of? If so I
would say that since he said Caboodle was a sanctuary that implies the cats
are to be taken care of, if sick taken to a vet etc._Very different from a
feral colony where the intentions are the same but  nobody wants a colony of
sick cats and yet there are ferals that will die rather than walk in a trap;
I know I had one of these. We tried for half a year to trap him and in his
last months it was evident that he would have had to be euthanized. We just
could not, and one day we found him dead. It happens often and makes
caretakers feel awful.

 

A sanctuary OTOH is expected to treat each and every cat. A sanctuary is not
just a place to leave a pet, walk away and forget all about it. That is why
a person is expected to fund the cat care. Granted some of the cats could
have been dumped at the place and no money to support them. But it wasn't
the majority, and if CG couldn't afford them did he ask rescues to take
them? I don't know that, I can't side with either story but just wanted to
comment on that remark abt TNR and how it fit with the CR situation, I think
it doesn't.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch link

2012-03-05 Thread Belinda Sauro
  I don't know what the truth is here but I do know PETA is no 
friend to any animal, they KILL more animals that, shelters, hoarders or 
abusers put together.  They are EVIL.  Their agenda is to make animal 
companionship illegal ... period!


http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/downloads/PetaKillsAnimals.pdf

This has been known for a long time ... take the time to learn the truth.


On 3/5/2012 7:29 AM, Heather wrote:
I'm just posting this link in case anyone is interested in hearing the 
other side of the story--I am not trying to take either side but 
thought this may be of interest to some.

�
I can't say which side is right--my guess would be neither and that 
the truth lies somewhere in between, however, PETA is absolutely using 
this case to try to fight the Florida Animal Rescue Act and for me, 
their involvement really skews things.� Again though just posting 
since this case has been discussed here.� Thanks!

http://caboodleranch.livejournal.com/43479.html



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Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch link

2012-03-05 Thread Belinda Sauro

 More Info on how great PETA is:

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/?s=PETAsubmit=Search

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/first_let_kill_all_the_animals_DnyhE723tSo64mkmmM9SUN

http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/24/documents-peta-kills-more-than-95-percent-of-pets-in-its-care/

**“PETA hasn’t slowed down its slaughterhouse operation,” said Rick 
Berman, CCF’s (Center For Consumer Freedom) executive director. “It 
appears PETA is more concerned with funding its media and advertising 
antics than finding suitable homes for these dogs and cats.”**


**PETA said in an April 2011 interview with Newsweek that the ‘no-kill’ 
policy simply wasn’t possible. ‘We would rather offer these animals a 
painless death than have them tortured, starved, or sold for research,’ 
Daphna Nachminovitch told the magazine.**


DISGUSTING  -- OK, I'm done now!

Thanks Heather for bring this to light.  I don't know anything about 
Craig or his rescue but my gut, intuition tells me the Live Journal 
story below is closer to the truth.

=

On 3/5/2012 7:29 AM, Heather wrote:
I'm just posting this link in case anyone is interested in hearing the 
other side of the story--I am not trying to take either side but 
thought this may be of interest to some.

�
I can't say which side is right--my guess would be neither and that 
the truth lies somewhere in between, however, PETA is absolutely using 
this case to try to fight the Florida Animal Rescue Act and for me, 
their involvement really skews things.� Again though just posting 
since this case has been discussed here.� Thanks!

http://caboodleranch.livejournal.com/43479.html



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Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch link

2012-03-05 Thread GRAS
I realize what PETA is trying to do with the propend legislation, but it
doesn't negate the conditions at Caboodle, nor how the creep took money for
personal use even though at the same time he was paying himself a hefty
salary! He may have started with good intentions, but obviously abandoned
them down the line.

I always questioned the logistics of such an open type cat rescue group -
how does one keep them all inside, how does one keep track of them, and what
would stop anyone from dumping new and possibly sick cats..and much more.

PETA has also been going after a hospice-type group in NY state called
Angel's Gate; they take in FeLV/FIV, terminally ill and very handicapped
animals - of course, visiting such a place is never the same as seeing
healthy animals for adoption. FoA is fully backing Angel Gate's work, and I
can truly appreciate how much different it is caring for healthy versus only
sick animals, from my own experience.

As much as I appreciate much of PETA's work, some of their work is extremely
questionable, and Ingrid Newkirk originally came from managing a kill
shelter, never abandoning her serious kill convictions!.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 10:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch link

 

I'm just posting this link in case anyone is interested in hearing the
other side of the story--I am not trying to take either side but thought
this may be of interest to some.

 

I can't say which side is right--my guess would be neither and that the
truth lies somewhere in between, however, PETA is absolutely using this case
to try to fight the Florida Animal Rescue Act and for me, their involvement
really skews things.  Again though just posting since this case has been
discussed here.  Thanks!

http://caboodleranch.livejournal.com/43479.html

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Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch

2012-03-02 Thread Lorrie
It appears I was certainly wrong to assume Craig Grant just couldn't
turn down a homeless cat. It was money for his own enjoyment that he
couldn't turn down!  This is really shocking.

Lorrie

On 03-02, C PQ wrote:
FYI:  Here's another perspective on the situation:
From:  X [name removed]
Sent: Tuesday,February 28,  2012 3:51 PM
Subject: Craig  Grant, Director of Caboodle Ranch
The below info isfound  at this
link:  https://www.facebook.com/caboodleranch.savethekitties
 
Yesterday,  when  I heard of the investigation and rescue intervention
at  Caboodle  Ranch,  my  first thought  was that Craig Grant was just
another  compassionate  fool  who  got  in  over  his  head because he
couldn't  turn  away a cat with nowhere to go.  The below  information
has  changed  my  perception  of him.  No decent individual would  let
animals  in his custody go without needed medical care, food and clean
living  conditions while making frivolous expenditures on himself from
501.3c funds that  should have been spent on the cats.
 
   Financial  Fraud
 
For an overview of embezzlement and  financial fraud click here here.
Records  obtained  through   the  court  indicate that operator, Craig
Grant,  is  embezzling  corporate funds  (donations) for personal use.
There  are  numerous  transactions  on  their  501(c)   not-for-profit
account  for transactions such as: airline flights, trip to Vegas,
tickets  to  Daytona  500,  hotels,  online  clothing  orders,  online
magazine orders,  gifts, etc.  The list goes on and on. Craig admitted
in  court  records  that  he does not routinely record cash donations.
It's been reported that Craig has used cash to take people out to eat.
In  interviews  Craig Grant has stated he  gets a $1000/month personal
salary. Therefore, any personal expenses should be paid for out of HIS
salary.   It is unlawful for any transactions for personal use to come
out  of  a not-for-profit corporate account. All donations/income MUST
be used for the care of cats.
The IRS andAttorney General have been  notified.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch

2012-03-02 Thread GRAS
You came to that conclusion only because it is usually the case under such
circumstances; Craig is different, he's just a creepy, old, despicable, and
selfish son-of-a-gun! That was my first thought, too, because on videos that
I've seen before, the place looked immaculate and the cats appeared healthy
(that must have been the first day!) and then things went steadily downhill,
or, more likely, at an accelerated pace.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 9:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch

It appears I was certainly wrong to assume Craig Grant just couldn't turn
down a homeless cat. It was money for his own enjoyment that he couldn't
turn down!  This is really shocking.

Lorrie

On 03-02, C PQ wrote:
FYI:  Here's another perspective on the situation:
From:  X [name removed]
Sent: Tuesday,February 28,  2012 3:51 PM
Subject: Craig  Grant, Director of Caboodle Ranch
The below info isfound  at this
link:  https://www.facebook.com/caboodleranch.savethekitties
 
Yesterday,  when  I heard of the investigation and rescue intervention
at  Caboodle  Ranch,  my  first thought  was that Craig Grant was just
another  compassionate  fool  who  got  in  over  his  head because he
couldn't  turn  away a cat with nowhere to go.  The below  information
has  changed  my  perception  of him.  No decent individual would  let
animals  in his custody go without needed medical care, food and clean
living  conditions while making frivolous expenditures on himself from
501.3c funds that  should have been spent on the cats.
 
   Financial  Fraud
 
For an overview of embezzlement and  financial fraud click here here.
Records  obtained  through   the  court  indicate that operator, Craig
Grant,  is  embezzling  corporate funds  (donations) for personal use.
There  are  numerous  transactions  on  their  501(c)   not-for-profit
account  for transactions such as: airline flights, trip to Vegas,
tickets  to  Daytona  500,  hotels,  online  clothing  orders,  online
magazine orders,  gifts, etc.  The list goes on and on. Craig admitted
in  court  records  that  he does not routinely record cash donations.
It's been reported that Craig has used cash to take people out to eat.
In  interviews  Craig Grant has stated he  gets a $1000/month personal
salary. Therefore, any personal expenses should be paid for out of HIS
salary.   It is unlawful for any transactions for personal use to come
out  of  a not-for-profit corporate account. All donations/income MUST
be used for the care of cats.
The IRS andAttorney General have been  notified.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty

2012-03-01 Thread Marta Gasper
Caboodle was one of my FB friends..I thought/read someplace there was help at 
CR. No way one person can cope with that many..many times hoarders do fool the 
authorities and the public, I've seen it hapen..lets face it; we, even if all 
we do is take care of the animals, have more complicated lives than a pet. So 
at any time something can go wrong, financially, personally, healthwise..and 
that is other people should take charge.
Having the land and best intentions is a great start but much more is needed.
I do rescue, have a license and am now starting the paperwork to be non-profit, 
all this while I learnt that is what has to come first, then one can start 
looking for volunteers and plan ahead, ie ten years from now. I know CR was 
nonprof so what happened to the Board and volunteers he should have had to get 
that status?
I'm very sorry for the cats that paid_and the people that entrusted their lives 
to the sanctuary_for that mistake.
Another cautionary tale though unfortunatly very well based on reality.
Marta

http://homelessnomore.webs.com/

--- On Thu, 3/1/12, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote:


From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with 
cruelty
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, March 1, 2012, 5:22 AM


When I first heard about Grant's place, I thought that it would bea good place 
to send my babies when I passed.  Thank God I changed my mind.  I have since 
fond a good place for my children.  If I see just a tad abnormal dischage 
from their eys, i is off to the vet.  How could he let them get so sick?  I 
know that with that many cats, he prpbably ran out of time and money to care 
for the, but he should have admtted he needed help for the sake of the cats.


 Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 When will people learn not to dump their animals at these 
 sanctuaries??

http://www.wctv.tv/news/headlines/Caboodle_Ranch_Cat_Sanctuary_Operator_Faces_Cruelty_Charges_140581263.html?storySection=story
 
If you have sent cats to Caboodle call 
212-876-7700 ASPCA Head Office for further information in the 
morning.
 
Agencies assisting the ASPCA on scene 
include: Atlanta Humane Society (Atlanta, Ga.); Bay Area Disaster Animal 
Response Team (Belleair Bluffs, Fla.); Cat Depot (Sarasota, Fla.); Florida 
State 
Animal Response Coalition (Bushnell, Fla.).
 
 
 
Celene Albano 
HPR Rescue 
CEO
501c3 Non-Profit.
Tax ID # 42-169-3737


 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty

2012-03-01 Thread GRAS
It's very sad and unfortunate when someone with really good intentions
allows things to go so wrong, doesn't ask for help.  But, to be fair, maybe
help that was asked for but never materialized..I know how people can be.
This also gives other groups a bad name.

I have MANY cats, but if donations don't come in, we happen to be lucky to
be able to  subsidize until things get better. I could never allow any cat
to get that sick, especially with simple and very avoidable things. We house
the cats in our home, and people who visit would never be able to guess how
many there are, and that we have so many (they guess a tiny fraction) - and
that requires a tremendous amount of work. I don't want anyone to leave here
and spread rumors about a dirty, smelly house.. 

 I have also known about very hasty conclusions drawn by people who have
no idea what it's like to care for many cats, especially multiple number of
sick ones with very special needs.

In upper CT, several years ago, a woman housed the shelter in her home, was
president of a cat rescue organization, was raided one morning, before she
was even out of bed.  They broke the glass on the door to open it from the
inside, barged in, confiscated all the cats, charged her with trumped up
things like this (remember, this is about 7 AM): dirty litter boxes, no food
for the cats, sick cats with various illnesses (ear mites, CRF, no teeth, as
if that's an illness etc), practicing medicine without a license (she had
meds for the cats and treating them), and the list went on like that.  She
wasn't even allowed to tell them which meds were for which cats, and which
cats were the sick ones - they were going to have their vets determine that!
During this round-up, the poor cats were petrified, flew around like ferals,
which they were NOT). She was not even allowed to visit them (including her
personal cats) that were put up at various places around the area, and by
the time of the court date, she owed the state over $130,000 in boarding and
vet fees. She wasn't able to pay that.  Many cats died during that time,
were separated from their buddies in separate cages, never knew
freedom..they were held as evidence. This all happened because a disgruntled
volunteer reported her to state canine and USDA. 

Natalie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 8:13 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged
with cruelty

 


Caboodle was one of my FB friends..I thought/read someplace there was help
at CR. No way one person can cope with that many..many times hoarders do
fool the authorities and the public, I've seen it hapen..lets face it; we,
even if all we do is take care of the animals, have more complicated lives
than a pet. So at any time something can go wrong, financially, personally,
healthwise..and that is other people should take charge.

Having the land and best intentions is a great start but much more is
needed.

I do rescue, have a license and am now starting the paperwork to be
non-profit, all this while I learnt that is what has to come first, then one
can start looking for volunteers and plan ahead, ie ten years from now. I
know CR was nonprof so what happened to the Board and volunteers he should
have had to get that status?

I'm very sorry for the cats that paid_and the people that entrusted their
lives to the sanctuary_for that mistake.

Another cautionary tale though unfortunatly very well based on reality.

Marta

 http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ http://homelessnomore.webs.com/











 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty

2012-03-01 Thread Beth
I don't know the full story of the woman in CT, so I can't comment on that, but 
I've seen people who are heads of rescue organizations who are hoarders. Just 
because someone has a title does not mean they are OK.

 
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 From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with 
cruelty
 

It’s very sad and unfortunate when someone with really good intentions allows 
things to go so wrong, doesn’t ask for help.  But, to be fair, maybe help that 
was asked for but never materialized….I know how people can be. This also gives 
other groups a bad name.
I have MANY cats, but if donations don’t come in, we happen to be lucky to be 
able to  subsidize until things get better. I could never allow any cat to get 
that sick, especially with simple and very avoidable things. We house the cats 
in our home, and people who visit would never be able to guess how many there 
are, and that we have so many (they guess a tiny fraction) – and that requires 
a tremendous amount of work. I don’t want anyone to leave here and spread 
rumors about a dirty, smelly house…. 
 I have also known about very “hasty” conclusions drawn by people who have no 
idea what it’s like to care for many cats, especially multiple number of sick 
ones with very special needs.
In upper CT, several years ago, a woman housed the shelter in her home, was 
president of a cat rescue organization, was raided one morning, before she was 
even out of bed.  They broke the glass on the door to open it from the inside, 
barged in, confiscated all the cats, charged her with trumped up things like 
this (remember, this is about 7 AM): dirty litter boxes, no food for the cats, 
sick cats with various illnesses (ear mites, CRF, no teeth, as if that’s an 
illness etc), practicing medicine without a license (she had meds for the cats 
and treating them), and the list went on like that.  She wasn’t even allowed to 
tell them which meds were for which cats, and which cats were the sick ones - 
they were going to have their vets determine that!   During this round-up, the 
poor cats were petrified, flew around like ferals, which they were NOT)… She 
was not even allowed to visit them (including her personal cats) that were put 
up at various places
 around the area, and by the time of the court date, she owed the state over 
$130,000 in boarding and vet fees. She wasn’t able to pay that.  Many cats died 
during that time, were separated from their buddies in separate cages, never 
knew freedom….they were held as evidence. This all happened because a 
disgruntled volunteer reported her to state canine and USDA. 
Natalie
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 8:13 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with 
cruelty
 
Caboodle was one of my FB friends..I thought/read someplace there was help at 
CR. No way one person can cope with that many..many times hoarders do fool the 
authorities and the public, I've seen it hapen..lets face it; we, even if all 
we do is take care of the animals, have more complicated lives than a pet. So 
at any time something can go wrong, financially, personally, healthwise..and 
that is other people should take charge.
Having the land and best intentions is a great start but much more is needed.
I do rescue, have a license and am now starting the paperwork to be non-profit, 
all this while I learnt that is what has to come first, then one can start 
looking for volunteers and plan ahead, ie ten years from now. I know CR was 
nonprof so what happened to the Board and volunteers he should have had to get 
that status?
I'm very sorry for the cats that paid_and the people that entrusted their lives 
to the sanctuary_for that mistake.
Another cautionary tale though unfortunatly very well based on reality.
Marta
http://homelessnomore.webs.com/





 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty

2012-02-29 Thread dlgegg
When I first heard about Grant's place, I thought that it would bea good place 
to send my babies when I passed.  Thank God I changed my mind.  I have since 
fond a good place for my children.  If I see just a tad abnormal dischage 
from their eys, i is off to the vet.  How could he let them get so sick?  I 
know that with that many cats, he prpbably ran out of time and money to care 
for the, but he should have admtted he needed help for the sake of the cats.


 Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 When will people learn not to dump their animals at these 
 sanctuaries??

http://www.wctv.tv/news/headlines/Caboodle_Ranch_Cat_Sanctuary_Operator_Faces_Cruelty_Charges_140581263.html?storySection=story
 
If you have sent cats to Caboodle call 
212-876-7700 ASPCA Head Office for further information in the 
morning.
 
Agencies assisting the ASPCA on scene 
include: Atlanta Humane Society (Atlanta, Ga.); Bay Area Disaster Animal 
Response Team (Belleair Bluffs, Fla.); Cat Depot (Sarasota, Fla.); Florida 
State 
Animal Response Coalition (Bushnell, Fla.).
 
 
 
Celene Albano 
HPR Rescue 
CEO
501c3 Non-Profit.
Tax ID # 42-169-3737


 
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