Re: [Fis] Fwd: Unpleasant answer ? From Bruno Marchal Request for Aid in Translation

FISers: In response to the message posted below, I received the following response : liugang-...@cass.org.cn 谢谢，我将尽快答复你的电子邮件！ In order to facilitate communication of information, a translation of the message would be helpful. Cheers jerry > On Mar 17, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Jerry LR Chand

[Fis] Fwd: Unpleasant answer ? From Bruno Marchal

List, Bruno: (My response to theMarch 13 message are interwoven in a red font.) While I appreciate the flow of concepts emerging from Bruno’s “poetry”, its guidance appears to exclude chemistry and biology. We have something like: Number(with + and *) => Number's dreams statistics => Physics

Re: [Fis] [FIS] A Curious Story

Dear Otto: > On Jan 11, 2017, at 5:05 AM, Otto E. Rossler > wrote: > > But as convincing as this may be, it is still not my main point. My main and > real point is: CERN refuses to update its official safety report LSAG for > exactly as long. > > But there is an e

Re: [Fis] Shannonian Mechanics? - Species specific?

List: > Your claim that information is SPECIES SPECIFIC is completely at variance > with the EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE that I presented in my 3 week session that the > minds of different animal species have used the same encoding of gestalt > forms for the past 400 million years since the evolution of

Re: [Fis] "Mechanical Information" in DNA

John: Is this just another example of the mis-communication between scientists trained in different disciplines? Is it merely an artifact of the mis-use of terms? In this case, can the mis-communication can be traced back to the mis-understanding of the difference between the semiosis of mass

[Fis] _ Re: _ Just my two cents worth.

ss to all articles until July 19th, 2016) > > > > > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:10 AM, Jerry LR Chandler <mailto:jerry_lr_chand...@me.com>> wrote: > Maxine, List: > > Just my two cents worth. > Afte

[Fis] _ Just my two cents worth.

Maxine, List: Just my two cents worth. After puzzling about the potential connections between your interpretations of Husserl and evolutionary biology, I remain uncertain about where this line of reasoning starts and where it leads. I should say at the beginning that I am a hardcore realist and

[Fis] Symbolic Logics and Interconnected life cycles.

List, Pedro, Bob U., Koichiro: Once again, Pedro, you bring creative usage of words to address an issue, but in doing so, the crucial issues that are fundamental to the conceptualization of information are obscured by focusing your message on language as utterances within a grammar. The defici

[Fis] _ Re: Cho 2016 The social life of quarks

Koichiro, Bob U., Pedro: Recent posts here illustrate the fundamental discord between modes of human communication. Pedro’s last post neatly addresses the immediate issue. But, the basic issue goes far, far deeper. The challenge of communicating our meanings is not restricted to just scient

Re: [Fis] January Lecture--Information and the Forces of History . Scientific Simplicity.

List: Paraphrasing two scientists. "Nature is pleased with simplicity. And nature is no dummy.”Isaac Newton "As simple as possible, but not simpler." A. Einstein The meaning of Professor Bloom’s essay can be simplified. This simple essay is an interpretation of history without either hum

Re: [Fis] [Fwd: Information And Locality, Addendum's]--Steven

Steven, Pedro, List: Steven: Your posts are a breath of fresh air. I have long wondered about how you were associating information theory with biophysics and the Peirce philosophic notions of information and symbols. This is now partially clarified. Numerous, very numerous questions are ra

Re: [Fis] Information and Locality Introduction

Dear Steven, Pedro and List: Two excellent posts! Steven: I look forward to your ratiocinations and there connectivity with symbolic logic. It is my view that one of the foundational stumbling blocks to communication about syntactical information theory (and its exactness!) is the multi-mean

[Fis] Economy of Information -The concept underlying the Information Foundation of the Act of F.Flores & L.deMarcos?

Fernando, Luis, List: This is a further commentary on your paper, focusing on the section labelled: Agnumetry, quantifying modernization. First, your original thinking in this area is clearly expressed and logically justified. Congratulations. This synthesis of the motivations for human acti

Re: [Fis] Information Foundation of the Act--F.Flores & L.deMarcos

List: This comment is restricted to the proposed use of mathematical structures in context of the social. The mathematical structure of a tree is restricted by the notion of a cycle. A tree is readily converted into a cycle by simply adding a new edge between leaves or joints. The simple logi

Re: [Fis] FIS newcomer

er mainstream FIS contributors) obey and adhere to. > > > > I am a newcomer to FIS and I do not intend to preach in the others’ temple. > But Prof. Kun Wu is one of the founding fathers of the Philosophy of > Information. Therefore, it would be wise for you to be in an agreem

[Fis] Information Does Not Equal Communication

URL Source: http://www.medpagetoday.com/PatientCenteredMedicalHome/PatientCenteredMedicalHome/48574?isalert=1&uun=g322500d2619R5316671u&utm_source=breaking-news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-news&xid=NL_breakingnews_2014-11-13 FISer's: There are many ways to approach the nebulous concept

Re: [Fis] FIS 2015, Workshop on Combinatorics of Genetics, Fundamentals

List: Their exist many forms of formal logics. One of the several concepts important to logic is an ancient concept: If antecedents, then consequences. In recent decades, the concept of para-consistent logic has emerged. It has found many applications, particularly in the cybernetics of contro

Re: [Fis] Re to Pridi: infinite bandwith and finite information content CS Peirce and Chemical Nomenclature

Pridi, Krassimir, List: (In order to place this comment in context, and for reference, I have copied Krassimir's "definition" of information below. My comments follow the excellent post of Pridi.) > In physical world there exist only reflections but not information. > > Information “ i " is

Re: [Fis] Re to Pridi: infinite bandwith and finite information content - Information content of Atomic Numbers

ions (information) in our brain and are so material as we are. This is long story about information models ... including your example ... Friendly regards Krassimir On Jul 21, 2014, at 12:33 PM, Jerry LR Chandler wrote: > List, Karassimir: > > I found your definition of information

Re: [Fis] Re to Pridi: infinite bandwith and finite information content

fferent because of subjects’ finite > memory and reflection possibilities. > Because of this, a physical event with an infinite bandwidth may have finite > information content (for concrete information subject). > > Friendly regards > Krassimir > > > >

Re: [Fis] FIS in Varna. Analogue Computation

Pridi: Are you mixing apples with citrus fruits? Pure elastic collision are pre-suppose mass particles. Electrical particles in this context do what? Cheers Jerry On Jul 18, 2014, at 3:21 AM, Pridi Siregar wrote: > Dear John and all, > > The limiting case of the particle collision (pure el

Re: [Fis] [PEIRCE-L] Charles Sanders Peirce (1839-1914)

Steven: Has your lecture been posted? Cheers Jerry On Jan 7, 2014, at 6:43 PM, Steven Ericsson-Zenith wrote: > > Dear List, > > My lecture on the 15th involves an uncommon subject (for me), God. What role > does God play in the construction of computing machinery and why is the > subject

[Fis] Nomino-realism and the encoding and decoding of communications

equires BOTH! Cheers Jerry Headwater House On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:08 PM, fis-requ...@listas.unizar.es wrote: > > 1. Nomino-realism and the encoding and decoding of > communications (Jerry LR Chandler) > > From: Jerry LR Chandler > Subject: [Fis] Nomino-realism and

[Fis] Nomino-realism and the encoding and decoding of communications

Pedro, FISers: Congratulations on a big step forward for FIS! I am delighted to see this major philosophical step (from the term 'information' to the term 'communication' for Pedro as the leader of FIS. The progressive step FROM the philosophy of information as a form of physics / number TO

Re: [Fis] fis Digest, Vol 577, Issue 10

Pedro, List: You write: > ...a reference to the tension between the empirical and the abstract in FIS. > I quite agree, it is one of the essential tensions in any healthy scientific > development (whenever it is possible to maintain it). Tensions? Tensions between the empirical and the abstrac

Re: [Fis] fis Digest, Vol 571, Issue 17 Role of First Principles in Information theory

to the mechanical vs biological view of nature if they are of any interest to you. Best wishes in your journey. Cheers Jerry May 27, 2013, at 11:00 AM, fis-requ...@listas.unizar.es wrote: > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Collier's Metaphysics (Jerry LR Chandler

Re: [Fis] Collier's Metaphysics

On May 26, 2013, at 10:46 AM, John Collier wrote: > I don't have much idea. I concur. Jerry___ fis mailing list fis@listas.unizar.es https://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis

Re: [Fis] Collier's Metaphysics

John: On May 26, 2013, at 10:26 AM, John Collier wrote: >> Your notion of metaphysics appears to so extremely narrowly restricted that >> you can exempt your own highly metaphysical writings from your definition of >> metaphysics. In fact, the traditional usage of the term "metaphysics" is >>

[Fis] Collier's Metaphysics

ere is is scientific investigation (pretty much like Peirce, > or more recently Sellars, or my sometime coauther C.A. Hooker, or the other > authors on the book I just mentioned). > > And that is why I didn’t understand what you were asking when you asked about > metaphysi

Re: [Fis] fis Digest, Vol 571, Issue 5

bit view to explain > conservation of information around a black hole, very approachable. > > John > > At 05:42 PM 2013/05/17, Jerry LR Chandler wrote: >> John: >> >> On May 17, 2013, at 5:26 AM, fis-requ...@listas.unizar.es wrote: >> >>>

Re: [Fis] fis Digest, Vol 571, Issue 5

John: On May 17, 2013, at 5:26 AM, fis-requ...@listas.unizar.es wrote: > The vacuum background is random, and hence contains no information in the > negentropy sense (see my "kinds" at Kinds of Information in Scientific Use. > 2011. cognition, communication, co-operation. Vol 9, No 2 ). However

Re: [Fis] fis Digest, Vol 564, Issue 7

Stan: On Oct 22, 2012, at 12:00 PM, fis-requ...@listas.unizar.es wrote: > I think it of some interest that I have previously ( 2006 On Aristotle’s > conception of causality. General Systems Bulletin 35: 11.) proposed that the > Aristotelian 'formal cause' determines both 'what happens' and 'h

[Fis] Aspects of the Logical Philosophy of Information (was: Physical information is WHAT? A Puzzle.)

at, > say, cyclooctene is and/or can become seems inappropriate to me. > > (By the way, there are several additional linear, non-cyclic, assymmetrical > "56" structures, with methyl groups and double and triple bonds that you can > write that correspond to the formula C8H8.) > >

[Fis] Physical information is WHAT? A Puzzle.

FISers: The following example concerning the fundamental theory of information in chemistry and physics puzzled me. Logical analyses of this puzzle from longtime participants would be welcomed. Consider any pair of atomic numbers. (Recall that the concepts of atomic numbers were established

Re: [Fis] Good (clear) article on information and physics

John, List. - > but offhand it seems to me to depedn on a sort of idealism that I do not > accept. "It does not. It does rely on Church thesis, which relies on arithmetical realism, that is the idea that elementary arithmetical truth are NOT a creation of t

[Fis] Chemo-informatics as the source of morphogenesis - both practical and logical.

List, Loet, Joe: This email responds to several questions raised in response to my long post of Oct. 16, 2011. Loet asks: 1. What is the equivalent in chemo-informatics of a bit of information? Can this be operationalized as a formula like Shannon's H? 2. Can one compute with this formula in fi

[Fis] Chemo-informatics as the source of morphogenesis - both practical and logical.

FIS, Loet, Joe: This message is a response to Loet's notion that morphogenesis is a red-herring. Before my specific comments, I would like to acknowledge Michel for his excellent introduction to the conceptualization of chemo-informatics as a branch of information theory and engineering of chem

[Fis] Hannam's Contentious Postulate

A series of responses to recent posts of James, Gavin, Steven, Stan, Pedro, zyx, Joe, and koichiro. FIS response March 14, 2011 v547. ? Gavin: writes: "Modern chemistry fell out of alchemy." As far as I am aware, modern chemistry developed its own semantics, grammar and logical symbol syst

[Fis] Hannam's Contentious Postulate, vol. 547, issue 1

(Pedro: Please Post to FIS) James Hannam, Stan, Pedro, List: Thank you for taking the time to express your point of view. For several years now, I have been studying the origins of molecular biology, seeking a coherent explanation for the meaning for its predictive powers and the methods

[Fis] Foundational Views of Shannon Information Theory

List: My responses to recent posts by Karl, Stan, Joe, Loet, Gavin, John, and Bob by the number of the digest that I rec’d. I seek to address several basic issues. First, I would repeat my assertion from my post of Jan. 20, 2010, along with Karl’s denial and my comments about his denials:

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[Fis] fis Digest, Vol 543, Issue 19 (John Collier) and footnote to fluctuon discussion (Stanley N Salthe)

John, Stan, Loet, Krassimir, List: This message responses to posts of both Stan and John, which are, strangely enough, philosophically, intimately related. First, Thank You, Stan, for your illuminating post which clarifies your personal philosophy. (The paper you comment on can be found onlin

Re: [Fis] fis Digest, Vol 543, Issue 19

John, List: A simple semiotic flaw exists in this paper. So, I am not buying into the hypothesis or the conclusions. Reality is far more perplex than mere technical terms. Given the situation, who else can find the logical flaw? Cheers Jerry On Nov 17, 2010, at 12:00 PM, fis-requ...@lista

[Fis] Asymmetry and Information: A Modest Proposal

Stan, Pedro, John C, Loet, Joseph and Rafael: Your comments are sufficiently stimulating to make another attempt at moving the FIS agenda forward. It seems as if we have been going around in circles for decades. From my perspective of biochemistry and genetics, I attribute the greater part

[Fis] Asymetry and Information: A modest proposal

List, Pedro, Bob: A modestt proposal Without a "gold standard" for the term "information" we keep going around in circles. I would suggest that at least three distinct meanings of the term "information" are in current usage, probably more. For convenience, let us take the Shannon view of

Re: [Fis] Neuroscience of Art:Insights & Leads

Joseph: Your post was studied for some time. I would suggest that, from my perspective, that you are developing a internal language that orders your feelings in a manner that is satisficing to personal your needs. But, I find it difficult to translate your expressions into the usual usa

Re: [Fis] Neuroscience of art

Prof. Grohn, List: I am curious about what you are seeking to communicate when you write: "I am afraid that list can't be validated as a set "laws". Laws should be independent of each other." What is the rational for your feelings about law (singular) vs laws (plural)? Is it necessary

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[Fis] FIS test

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[Fis] The Goals and Worlds

Ted: Do you have the immediate reference for this source? "Kauffman is famously on record as believing that the preferred space is algebraic. He goes further in stating that it is the ONLY space, all others illusory, or less fundamental." (from FIS post of 10/5/27 - this was an excellent post!)

[Fis] Re: info & meaning

To the FIS List: I mean to say a bit about meaning and information. The context I wish to start with is natural language, that is, the meaning of everyday language as used in a novel, a play, between two lovers at the breakfast table, in a political convention, during a financial transact

[Fis] Re: The communication of meaning in anticipatory systems

From: Jerry LR Chandler <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: September 5, 2007 10:52:53 AM EDT To: <mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es>fis@listas.unizar.es Subject: Re: The communication of meaning in anticipatory systems Dear Loet: From: "Loet Leydesdorff&quo

[Fis] Re: fis Digest, Vol 501, Issue 5

To: Igor / Ted / Stan First, Igor. I found your perspective here to be 180 degrees off from mine! On Feb 5, 2007, at 6:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reply to Steven and Ted By "genetic constraints" I assume you simply mean that we have certain capacities and are not omnipotent. Is not c

Re: [Fis] genetics: the most outstanding problem, (un)SOLVED?

Richard: As I read your post, you seem to be involved with an internal debate with yourself. It appears to me that a starting point for your post is a philosophical perspective about your personal relationship with nature and I have responded in that vain. Your post suggests that you do

[Fis] what is life, logically?

Karl: I will respond to both your new title to the thread and to your philosophy of mathematics. When you ask the question, "what is life, logically?" what is the nature of the question that you wish to address? Given your history of posts, I am almost certain that I do not understand

[Fis] genetics: the most outstanding problem, (un)SOLVED?

(To the List: I am re-posting my message to Karl because the original message was not distributed in it's totality; the arguments were truncated.  Cheers  Jerry ) Karl:I fear that I must once again disagree with your strong conclusions about the relations between mathematics and genetics.  I would

[Fis] genetics: the most outstanding problem, (un)SOLVED?

Karl:I fear that I must once again disagree with your strong conclusions about the relations between mathematics and genetics.  I would urge you to attempt to find exact correspondence relations between empirical evidence and your views of models based on numbers.From: "Karl Javorszky" <[EMAIL PROT

[Fis] Call for Papers 14th Workshop on Logic, Language, Information and Computation

Call for Papers   14th Workshop on Logic, Language, Information and Computation (WoLLIC'2007)    Rio de Janeiro, Brazil    July 2-5, 2007  WoLLIC is an annual international forum on inter-disciplinary re

[Fis] Physical Objects; Gold standard for Information

Dear Michael and List:I am departing on an extended trip and will not be able to continue this conversation.  A few hurried comments are inserted in your post.On Jul 31, 2006, at 6:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Physical Objects (Michael Devereux)From: Michael Devereux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> D

[Fis] Physical Information

Dear Michael:Your post is surprising close to my own view, but we are using the words differently.(I should note that I was in a playful mood when I used the term "trinitarian physics".  The triad of "space time energy"  is so often abused in the philosophy of science literature that a use of a met

Re: [Fis] Physical Information

Dear Rafeal:Your response to Stan (see below) caught my eye, since, on first blush, it appears to be remote from modern physics and the "physics talk" of the (space time energy) trinity.  This trinity is, of course, merely a reification of modern mathematical symbolism.  And this modern mathematica

[Fis] A "Gold Standard" for the Conceptualization of Abstract Information?

Dear Michael, JohnH, Pedro, John C and List:The recent posts activated several long-simmering views on the issue of quantum theory and information as an exact science.  I will attempt to specify the issues that are of concern to the chemical, biological and medical sciences.1. Grammar.It appears to

[Fis] Re: Encoding and Decoding as Essential to Quantum Information Theory?

Dear Andrei:On May 21, 2006, at 6:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remark that if one defines information through entropy than if fact information theory is reduced to probability theory. If one removes an essential components, one removes the essence of the subject.Intrinsic to any meaningful not

[Fis] The Identity of Ethics

(Pedro:  Please post this for me; I have a new email address.) Dear Pedro and Rafael: I am deeply puzzled by the content of your two messages. Could both of you expand your positions substantially?  The threads of your reasonings are not clear to me. Are both of you proposing a constructivist m