RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Mike Mountain
Not saying it's wrong at all, but just if you think it may be a newbie
type question then post it to the appropriate list. Otherwise what's the
point in having 2 lists?

My point really was that this list used to be more about posting
techniques, discoveries, neat tricks - or complex questions, bug
workarounds, undocumented features. We seem to have lost that and moved
on to a bunch of fairly easy to answer (just by googling or checking the
archive, or even god forbid the help docs/live docs) questions. Yes we
can filter them out, but I think they've devalued the core principles
behind this list - hence we seem to have lost key people. Then we end up
in a viscious circle...

M

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 Of Jim Robson
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 Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading
 
 FWIW: I've been working with Flash for over 6 years, but 
 there are still a lot of things I haven't done. I've built 
 some complex apps, but they are business apps (functionality 
 revolves around the basic CRUD) intended to be displayed in 
 the browser on desktop PCs. So, for example, I've never built 
 an app for the pocket PC, I've never built a game, and I've 
 done very little with video. If I were to get a new 
 assignment in one of these areas, then I might post a 
 question that seems like a newbie question to some other 
 people on the list. Is it wrong to post such questions? As 
 ryanm pointed out, all you need to do is delete the messages 
 that don't interest you.
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread hank williams

Honestly, I think most of the interesting stuff happens in flexcoders,
the as3 list, the open source lists for specific projects.

This *is* the newbie list now... by default.

Hank

On 6/13/06, Mike Mountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Not saying it's wrong at all, but just if you think it may be a newbie
type question then post it to the appropriate list. Otherwise what's the
point in having 2 lists?

My point really was that this list used to be more about posting
techniques, discoveries, neat tricks - or complex questions, bug
workarounds, undocumented features. We seem to have lost that and moved
on to a bunch of fairly easy to answer (just by googling or checking the
archive, or even god forbid the help docs/live docs) questions. Yes we
can filter them out, but I think they've devalued the core principles
behind this list - hence we seem to have lost key people. Then we end up
in a viscious circle...

M

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Jim Robson
 Sent: 12 June 2006 17:29
 To: 'Flashcoders mailing list'
 Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

 FWIW: I've been working with Flash for over 6 years, but
 there are still a lot of things I haven't done. I've built
 some complex apps, but they are business apps (functionality
 revolves around the basic CRUD) intended to be displayed in
 the browser on desktop PCs. So, for example, I've never built
 an app for the pocket PC, I've never built a game, and I've
 done very little with video. If I were to get a new
 assignment in one of these areas, then I might post a
 question that seems like a newbie question to some other
 people on the list. Is it wrong to post such questions? As
 ryanm pointed out, all you need to do is delete the messages
 that don't interest you.
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Andreas Rønning

I think this whole argument is solid ground bullshit.
The definition of what you find interesting does not have a damn thing 
to do with what is intermediate-to-advanced AS. AS3 work is irellevant 
on a professional level, and Flex != Flash Actionscript. What you're 
saying is you're complaining about the lack of FUN stuff on this list.


Let me tell you a little something about the fun stuff on this list. For 
those of use that spend every day of the week doing things that aren't 
fun, and aren't necessarily cutting edge, being swamped in dudes doing 
shit that's out of your reach NOT because they are necessarily smarter 
than you, but because they somehow find the *TIME* to do fun stuff, it 
can be bordeline disruptive. I totally dig the fun stuff, but to say the 
lack of it is what brings this list down to newbie level is arrogant 
and shortsighted.


Elitist bs can stay in the flexcoders and as3 lists kthanks. If a 
question is beneath you you got more problems than newbies. Nobody 
demands that you answer, so whee, get off the list then.

This thread is bullshit of awesome intensity.

- A
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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Lee McColl-Sylvester
I must admit, I have to agree.  I code full time in .NET, ActionScript and god 
knows how many other languages, yet I just found myself looking up how to 
initialise a string array in .NET.  How newbie is that?  Fact is, if I asked 
that question on a list, I wouldn't be a newb for asking the question, I'd just 
be what I am... mentally cluttered.  And I don't know a single developer that 
isn't ;-)

Lee



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Sent: 13 June 2006 14:10
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Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

I think this whole argument is solid ground bullshit.
The definition of what you find interesting does not have a damn thing 
to do with what is intermediate-to-advanced AS. AS3 work is irellevant 
on a professional level, and Flex != Flash Actionscript. What you're 
saying is you're complaining about the lack of FUN stuff on this list.

Let me tell you a little something about the fun stuff on this list. For 
those of use that spend every day of the week doing things that aren't 
fun, and aren't necessarily cutting edge, being swamped in dudes doing 
shit that's out of your reach NOT because they are necessarily smarter 
than you, but because they somehow find the *TIME* to do fun stuff, it 
can be bordeline disruptive. I totally dig the fun stuff, but to say the 
lack of it is what brings this list down to newbie level is arrogant 
and shortsighted.

Elitist bs can stay in the flexcoders and as3 lists kthanks. If a 
question is beneath you you got more problems than newbies. Nobody 
demands that you answer, so whee, get off the list then.
This thread is bullshit of awesome intensity.

- A
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Mike Britton

Any way you look at it, we're building a searchable repository of both
newb and advanced tips.  Flash programmers aren't Nazis, marching
together as some kind of unified front against all newbies.  A
community has elements from all skill levels, and if a newbie has a
coding question for the group, I don't see why it shouldn't be asked.
If the newbie hasn't searched for the answer before posting, he/she
should receive a mild electric shock and we can be done with it.

Mike
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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Giles Taylor
RTFM:
http://www.osflash.org/flashcoders/etiquette
 
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread hank williams

I  dont mean to offend anyone, but this *is* the newbie list - at
least in part. There is nothing wrong with that. I have never been to
the real newbie list, and would never make it there. Thats probably
true for most of the people who might answer a question (though I
honestly havent done much of that lately due primarily to workload).

But if you are looking for cutting edge stuff that many people
havent thought about before, this is probably no longer the place for
that. Does that make this list a bad place? No. Does it make the
people on it stupid? Hardly. But does it mean that over time you may
look other places for certain types of more advanced or specific
insight? I think so. I think that shows the growth of the flash
platform and nothing more.

Hank

On 6/13/06, Andreas Rønning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I think this whole argument is solid ground bullshit.
The definition of what you find interesting does not have a damn thing
to do with what is intermediate-to-advanced AS. AS3 work is irellevant
on a professional level, and Flex != Flash Actionscript. What you're
saying is you're complaining about the lack of FUN stuff on this list.

Let me tell you a little something about the fun stuff on this list. For
those of use that spend every day of the week doing things that aren't
fun, and aren't necessarily cutting edge, being swamped in dudes doing
shit that's out of your reach NOT because they are necessarily smarter




than you, but because they somehow find the *TIME* to do fun stuff, it
can be bordeline disruptive. I totally dig the fun stuff, but to say the
lack of it is what brings this list down to newbie level is arrogant
and shortsighted.

Elitist bs can stay in the flexcoders and as3 lists kthanks. If a
question is beneath you you got more problems than newbies. Nobody
demands that you answer, so whee, get off the list then.
This thread is bullshit of awesome intensity.

- A
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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Merrill, Jason
I'm on both lists, and the newbie list is more advanced than you would think.  
Most of the questions there could easily be posted here.  There are newbie 
questions of course, but a majority of the subscribers are intermediate to 
advanced Actionscripters.

Jason Merrill
Bank of America 
Learning Technology Solutions
 
 
 
 
 
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hank williams
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:18 AM
To: Flashcoders mailing list
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

I  dont mean to offend anyone, but this *is* the newbie list - at
least in part. There is nothing wrong with that. I have never been to
the real newbie list, and would never make it there. Thats probably
true for most of the people who might answer a question (though I
honestly havent done much of that lately due primarily to workload).

But if you are looking for cutting edge stuff that many people
havent thought about before, this is probably no longer the place for
that. Does that make this list a bad place? No. Does it make the
people on it stupid? Hardly. But does it mean that over time you may
look other places for certain types of more advanced or specific
insight? I think so. I think that shows the growth of the flash
platform and nothing more.

Hank

On 6/13/06, Andreas Rønning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think this whole argument is solid ground bullshit.
 The definition of what you find interesting does not have a damn thing
 to do with what is intermediate-to-advanced AS. AS3 work is irellevant
 on a professional level, and Flex != Flash Actionscript. What you're
 saying is you're complaining about the lack of FUN stuff on this list.

 Let me tell you a little something about the fun stuff on this list. For
 those of use that spend every day of the week doing things that aren't
 fun, and aren't necessarily cutting edge, being swamped in dudes doing
 shit that's out of your reach NOT because they are necessarily smarter


 than you, but because they somehow find the *TIME* to do fun stuff, it
 can be bordeline disruptive. I totally dig the fun stuff, but to say the
 lack of it is what brings this list down to newbie level is arrogant
 and shortsighted.

 Elitist bs can stay in the flexcoders and as3 lists kthanks. If a
 question is beneath you you got more problems than newbies. Nobody
 demands that you answer, so whee, get off the list then.
 This thread is bullshit of awesome intensity.

 - A
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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Mike Mountain
It would seem I've stirred up a nest of vipers! My point is why bother
with the two lists? If noone can decide what constitutes a newbie
question?

Id've thought if most people forget the basics (which happen to us all)
and you're not a code virgin then you wouldn't need to turn to a mailing
list to find the answers.

Forget I spoke.

M

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 Of Merrill, Jason
 Sent: 13 June 2006 15:40
 To: Flashcoders mailing list
 Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading
 
 I'm on both lists, and the newbie list is more advanced than 
 you would think.  Most of the questions there could easily be 
 posted here.  There are newbie questions of course, but a 
 majority of the subscribers are intermediate to advanced 
 Actionscripters.
 
 Jason Merrill
 Bank of America
 Learning Technology Solutions
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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Merrill, Jason
I will say, the newbie list is friendlier than this list by about a
factor of 10.  :)   

Jason Merrill
Bank of America 
Learning Technology Solutions
 
 
 
 
 
 

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Mountain
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:59 AM
To: Flashcoders mailing list
Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

It would seem I've stirred up a nest of vipers! My point is why bother
with the two lists? If noone can decide what constitutes a newbie
question?

Id've thought if most people forget the basics (which happen to us
all)
and you're not a code virgin then you wouldn't need to turn to a
mailing
list to find the answers.

Forget I spoke.

M

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 Of Merrill, Jason
 Sent: 13 June 2006 15:40
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 Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

 I'm on both lists, and the newbie list is more advanced than
 you would think.  Most of the questions there could easily be
 posted here.  There are newbie questions of course, but a
 majority of the subscribers are intermediate to advanced
 Actionscripters.

 Jason Merrill
 Bank of America
 Learning Technology Solutions
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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Lee McColl-Sylvester
Awww, Jason... In the spirit of making this list friendly, may I say I
love you all and I think you're all the best.  May you all have a great
day and not have too many bugs so you don't get slammed when asking
something stupid ;-)

Kindest, most warmest regards and lots of hugs,
Lee

PS, When do we get with the gift exchanging?




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Jason
Sent: 13 June 2006 16:05
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I will say, the newbie list is friendlier than this list by about a
factor of 10.  :)   

Jason Merrill
Bank of America 
Learning Technology Solutions
 
 
 
 
 
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Mountain
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:59 AM
To: Flashcoders mailing list
Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

It would seem I've stirred up a nest of vipers! My point is why bother
with the two lists? If noone can decide what constitutes a newbie
question?

Id've thought if most people forget the basics (which happen to us
all)
and you're not a code virgin then you wouldn't need to turn to a
mailing
list to find the answers.

Forget I spoke.

M

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Merrill, Jason
 Sent: 13 June 2006 15:40
 To: Flashcoders mailing list
 Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

 I'm on both lists, and the newbie list is more advanced than
 you would think.  Most of the questions there could easily be
 posted here.  There are newbie questions of course, but a
 majority of the subscribers are intermediate to advanced
 Actionscripters.

 Jason Merrill
 Bank of America
 Learning Technology Solutions
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Mark Winterhalder

On 6/13/06, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm on both lists, and the newbie list is more advanced than you would think.  
Most of the questions there could easily be posted here.  There are newbie 
questions of course, but a majority of the subscribers are intermediate to 
advanced Actionscripters.


But what's the point of having two lists then?

I don't and I can't read all of the messages here. I also found myself
reading it far less than I used to. I like to help people when I can
once I'm here, but I come here because there is the benefit of
learning about issues others face so I'm aware of them should I run
into them in the future. It helps me to know what is going on in the
Flash world, what kind of tools are out there and what techniques
people use. You know, those moments when you remember you read
something somewhere and begin to look it up because you know there is
something out there that might be helpful in the situation you found
yourself in.

However, when I read questions that show somebody didn't RTFM, I just
roll my eyes and move on. If that happens too often, I just don't read
the list any more. I don't consider that an elitist attitude at all,
it really is only the short moment when I decide where to click -- I
tend to click on, say, the haXe list or osflash as soon as I notice a
new mail arrived because I find it exciting, but to be honest, when I
click on FlashCoders, the motivation is, well, distraction.
That's sad, and I really miss the discussions that used to be here
during times when hot topics were whether to use Rebel Alliance style
inheritance or to better stick with the docs and swallow that extra
instantiation of a prototype object. Those were the kind of threads
that drew me to this list, and I have learned a lot just by reading
discussions between some of the resident AS Gods.

I guess what it boils down to is that I need the feeling that the list
is relevant to my needs to keep reading it. In fact, newbie questions
are only part of the issue, the other is simply that Flash has grown
and there are areas that don't affect me, no matter how
sophisticated the question may be. For example, I don't use the
Macromedia/Adobe components, so I consider questions regarding them as
noise, even though they are of course totally appropriate to ask here.
That there are obvious beginner questions is just something on top of
that that lessens the value the list has for me, personally, and that
seems unnecessary since there is a list specifically for FlashNewbies.

Mark

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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Matt Mc
Hello I am a Noob,

I have a noobie question that cannot be answered on the noob list. I know it is 
a noob question because I have been told on this list that it is.

But even though I have tried all suggestions I still can not get an mp3 player 
to get it's xml list through a Flashvar in the embed tag.

Please use your Action Script Super Powers to help me solve this problem. You 
will save my life, and I will love you for ever.

I have a deal The first one who can help me fix this problem will forever in my 
eyes be known as the Champion of the 2006 International Flash Coders Content 
Degrading Debate.

I have the files all neatly bundled up in a zip file. I have a readme 
describing my problem I have checked all my links (twice) to make sure they all 
work.
send me an email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will send you the files if you think 
you are a real ninja.

Help Guru's!!!



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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Steven Sacks
Before Flashcoders was around, people had to solve their Flash problems on
their own.  After Flashcoders was around, some people didn't know about it
and had to solve their Flash problems on their own.

Bottom line is - the solutions are out there and many people don't take the
time to try and solve their problems on their own before taking it to the
list.  They think that it will be faster if they just ask the list, without
realizing they are robbing themselves of an important exercise in training
their own resourcefulness and problem solving abilities, and at the same
time degrading the signal to noise ratio of Flashcoders.  I can't tell you
how many times in the past three months I've seen the same exact newbie
issues repeated over and over.

Flashcoders is not supposed to be the newbie arena.  It's become the newbie
area because help vampires have infested it.

If a question is 'beneath you' you got more problems than newbies. Nobody
demands that you answer, so whee, get off the list then.

I recommend reading some Ayn Rand.  Just because you need doesn't mean
you're entitled.  Hasn't history proven that communism doesn't work?  Don't
expect others to help you simply because you need help and aren't willing to
help yourself.  Telling the Flash veterans to help me, ignore me, or piss
off is eventually going to reduce this list to newbies helping newbies.

Your response to Try searching the archives or google for your answers
before asking the list is If you don't want to help me, shut up.
Apparently, petulant children have taken over.

The internet is the world's most comprehensive encyclopedia.  While
wikipedia might have fallacious information in it, it's very rare to find
misleading facts about Flash out there.

This article sums it up very well.

http://www.slash7.com/pages/vampires

It's so regular you could set your watch by it. The decay of a community is
just as predictable as the decay of certain stable nuclear isotopes. As soon
as an open source project, language, or what-have-you achieves a certain
notoriety-its half-life, if you will-they swarm in, seemingly draining the
very life out of the community itself.

The chief indicator of a Help Vampire problem is the lack of
helpfulness-the community may still appear to be bustling and lively, but if
on closer inspection the conversation is all towards the shallow end of the
pool, with moderately difficult questions going unanswered, then a Help
Vampire infestation is likely.

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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Steven Sacks
The problem with a list named FlashNewbies is that help vampires, or
newbies who don't want to actually do any work, tend to avoid newbie lists
and go straight for the advanced ones because that's where they perceive the
advanced people to be.  Why ask a noob how to do something when you can ask
pro?

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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Merrill, Jason
Perfect example of what we are talking about:

I have a noobie question that cannot be answered on the noob list. I
know it is a
noob question because I have been told on this list that it is.

But even though I have tried all suggestions I still can not get an
mp3 player to
get it's xml list through a Flashvar in the embed tag.

I'm going to get sort of unfriendly for a moment.  I hate to, but I
think this illustrates the topic at hand.  Matt,  What makes you think
it can't be answered on the newbie list?  And if you've been told it's a
newbie question, then why NOT ask the newbie list?  We've actually
answered your questions here on Flashcoders regarding that a hundred
different ways.  I think the real problem here, Count Chocula, is you're
not employing basic debugging routines.  You're also assuming that to
get an mp3 player to get it's xml list through a Flashvar in the embed
tag is a single problem to tackle with a single answer.  It's not.
That's two separate issues to tackle at minimum.  First tackle getting a
string from Flashvars.  Then push that string to your mp3 player and
debug that.  I think the trace() function will help you a lot. At least
spread some around and tell us what you see. That will be a lot more
useful to us in helping you than just complaining you still can't get it
working and asking us to use our please use our Actionscript Super
Powers to save you.  :) 

Jason Merrill
Bank of America 
Learning Technology Solutions
 
 
 
 
 
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Mc
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 12:21 PM
To: Flashcoders mailing list
Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

Hello I am a Noob,

I have a noobie question that cannot be answered on the noob list. I
know it is a
noob question because I have been told on this list that it is.

But even though I have tried all suggestions I still can not get an
mp3 player to
get it's xml list through a Flashvar in the embed tag.

Please use your Action Script Super Powers to help me solve this
problem. You
will save my life, and I will love you for ever.

I have a deal The first one who can help me fix this problem will
forever in my
eyes be known as the Champion of the 2006 International Flash Coders
Content
Degrading Debate.

I have the files all neatly bundled up in a zip file. I have a readme
describing my
problem I have checked all my links (twice) to make sure they all
work.
send me an email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will send you the
files if you
think you are a real ninja.

Help Guru's!!!



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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread John Grden

I think this thread quite completely explains the subject line.

Besides, when it comes down to it, a list is no different the
latest/greatest hangout you'd find with your friends.  For a while, it was
great - not many people knew, and it was cool.  THen everyone found out, it
got saturated, and you moved on because it was no longer what you remeber
liking about it.  Not to mention, that there are somethings you just simply
outgrow.  Maybe it's not so much that the list changed, as it is yourself.
Last I checked, we still have the same bat players on the same bat channel.
The only thing changing are the questions and new hangouts.
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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread phaedrus
*heh* 

I almost asked where is the flash newbie list.  Subtly hilarious, eh?

I'm not really sure where I fall - middling I think - but I figure it can't
hurt to subscribe to that list as well - if I am more advanced than the bulk
there, well, one often learns by teaching (or by having your teaching
corrected), right?

Anyway, I know its been posted here before, but in case anyone can't be
bothered to go find it:

http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashnewbie

See you there.

- phaedrus





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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Mark Winterhalder

On 6/13/06, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Perfect example of what we are talking about:


While we're at it, a general piece of advice:

I have the files all neatly bundled up in a zip file. I have a readme
describing my problem I have checked all my links (twice) to make sure
they all work.
send me an email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will send you the
files if you think you are a real ninja.

The first part looks pretty good, with a readme and everything zipped
neatly together. Bonus points for comments in the code, traces where
they could be helpful with extra comments what they trace. Where it
goes wrong is when it gets to the emailing part -- I don't know how
others feel about this, but for me the threshold is /much/ higher than
simply downloading a linked zip.
The reason for this is that I would feel like I would be making a
commitment, before even knowing what I was getting myself into. Been
there, done that -- what I got was the most horrible code I had ever
seen, ripped somewhere off the web with variable names in a language
neither me nor the help-seeker could understand, _root and on(
clipEvent ) all over it. After a while I figured it was easier to
rewrite it, which took me only half an hour but didn't save me from
dozens of follow up questions, some of which I had already answered,
others were unrelated, and the rest he answered himself only minutes
after sending.
So, just post a link. If somebody wants to help s/he will look at it
and let you know if there is a solution. A link also means I can look
into it when I come across it and have a few minutes to spare, instead
of waiting for a reply that might come the next day when I don't have
the time.

Since I'm already ranting about off-list issues, some other things I
have encountered in the past:
Please, if you seek help, don't take threads off-list unless asked.
Somebody suggesting something here most likely doesn't want to be your
personal help desk from then on, not by mail, and definitely not via
IM (even if we have the same mother-tongue that doesn't mean you're my
new best friend, it's really not that an uncommon language, thank
you). Keep it on the list. Others will read it, too, and might be able
to help better or quicker, plus if somebody actually bothers to search
the archives it will show up. It's a win-win for everybody involved.

Mark

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Matt Mc
Not to worry Mark others were helpful. No need to commit yourself.LOL 

GIve me a link to a better forum for my question if you have one. 

When I parsed out the info it was hard to get an answer. So I spent some time 
to make a neat package so if someone did want to help I could send it and it 
would be as clean as possible. 

Sorry if I still don't meet your standards of list behavior. 

Bottom line is if someone gets stuck they are going to find help where they 
can. To tell you the truth I would post just about any place to be able to get 
an answer just so I can go to sleep one night this week. 

Some of us are not action scripting for fun. We are working in the real world, 
I am a designer I am learning flash and can make my way around the flash design 
environment just fine.  

If I knew enough about action scripting not to need help (noob) than I wouldn't 
really need this list now would I. 

Also if the Noob list wasn't so Noob I could get my problem solved their 
without getting spurned by an elitist.

The truth about this board is that most people are helpfull and those are the 
people that I have come in contact with. Well untill Mark made his post.

Have a Nice Day Mark.

Matthew

Mark Winterhalder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/13/06, Merrill, Jason  wrote:
 Perfect example of what we are talking about:

While we're at it, a general piece of advice:

I have the files all neatly bundled up in a zip file. I have a readme
describing my problem I have checked all my links (twice) to make sure
they all work.
send me an email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will send you the
files if you think you are a real ninja.

The first part looks pretty good, with a readme and everything zipped
neatly together. Bonus points for comments in the code, traces where
they could be helpful with extra comments what they trace. Where it
goes wrong is when it gets to the emailing part -- I don't know how
others feel about this, but for me the threshold is /much/ higher than
simply downloading a linked zip.
The reason for this is that I would feel like I would be making a
commitment, before even knowing what I was getting myself into. Been
there, done that -- what I got was the most horrible code I had ever
seen, ripped somewhere off the web with variable names in a language
neither me nor the help-seeker could understand, _root and on(
clipEvent ) all over it. After a while I figured it was easier to
rewrite it, which took me only half an hour but didn't save me from
dozens of follow up questions, some of which I had already answered,
others were unrelated, and the rest he answered himself only minutes
after sending.
So, just post a link. If somebody wants to help s/he will look at it
and let you know if there is a solution. A link also means I can look
into it when I come across it and have a few minutes to spare, instead
of waiting for a reply that might come the next day when I don't have
the time.

Since I'm already ranting about off-list issues, some other things I
have encountered in the past:
Please, if you seek help, don't take threads off-list unless asked.
Somebody suggesting something here most likely doesn't want to be your
personal help desk from then on, not by mail, and definitely not via
IM (even if we have the same mother-tongue that doesn't mean you're my
new best friend, it's really not that an uncommon language, thank
you). Keep it on the list. Others will read it, too, and might be able
to help better or quicker, plus if somebody actually bothers to search
the archives it will show up. It's a win-win for everybody involved.

Mark

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread ryanm

I have the files all neatly bundled up in a zip file. I have a readme
describing my problem I have checked all my links (twice) to make
sure they all work.

   If you spent half as much time reading the documentation as you did 
packaging the files and typing that email, you'd have figured it out on your 
own already.


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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Matt Mc
I am sure some people post every question they have with out doing research.  I 
looked everywhere including the origional authors website. Common Creative 
licence I used this list as an absolute last resort. 

PS. a programmer at work helped me with the problem and we have it solved. But 
for the last week it has fallen on me to make it happen. Under pressure you 
look for the help you can thats why we have a list like this right! So we can 
learn more and get better at what we do. 

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Mike Britton

I recommend avoiding flashvars and loading the XML using XML2
http://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2004/02/the_ultimate_as.html.



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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread iestyn lloyd

On 6/13/06, Mark Winterhalder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 6/13/06, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know how
others feel about this, but for me the threshold is /much/ higher than
simply downloading a linked zip.


Agreed. I enjoy helping amateurs on smaller problems (offlist), as
people from various places have helped me when I was learning the
basics. What goes around comes around.

Zips are so much more friendly though. If i have a period of downtime
at work, then if there's a zip, i'm far more likely to download it and
have a quick look, rather than commit myself to individual
correspondence.
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Matt Mc
Thanks Mike I will check that out. I do really appreciate all the time you guys 
give to this list.

Mike Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recommend avoiding flashvars and 
loading the XML using XML2
http://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2004/02/the_ultimate_as.html.



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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread ryanm

Your response to Try searching the archives or google for your answers
before asking the list is If you don't want to help me, shut up.
Apparently, petulant children have taken over.

   Excellent summarization. The problem is, this tells me more about you 
than it does about the list. This is probably your first time to see an 
email list go full cycle. Eventually you'll move on to another list that is 
better for you, it'll rule for a while, and then the same thing will happen: 
the newbs will take over, and you'll have to move on again. For me, having 
cut my teeth on BBSes, usenet, and gopher, the entire internet has gone to 
the newbs, and I'm waiting for the next internet to be invented so that I 
can move on. ;-)


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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Steven Sacks
 Bottom line is if someone gets stuck they are going to find 
 help where they can. To tell you the truth I would post just 
 about any place to be able to get an answer just so I can go 
 to sleep one night this week. 

 Some of us are not action scripting for fun. We are working 
 in the real world, I am a designer I am learning flash and 
 can make my way around the flash design environment just fine.  
 
 If I knew enough about action scripting not to need help 
 (noob) than I wouldn't really need this list now would I. 
 
 Also if the Noob list wasn't so Noob I could get my problem 
 solved their without getting spurned by an elitist.

I've got four words for you.  Buy a freaking book.  :)

There are NUMEROUS books out there on the subject.  There are books
dedicated to helping designers learn how to code in Flash from a designer's
perspective.  I'm sure you'll find something at Amazon or your local
bookstore.

When I wanted to learn Ruby on Rails, I went out and bought a few books.  I
read them from cover to cover and then I started coding, referring back to
the books when I needed assistance.  If I came across something the book
didn't cover, I'd run a bunch of google searches.  Finally, if I couldn't
figure something out, I'd hop on the IRC channel and ask very specific
questions which would lead me towards the solution, not asking for the
solution.

Here's the truth.  Programming is not for everyone.  It requires a type of
patience, perseverance, and masochism that few possess.  Maybe you're just
not cut out for it.  That doesn't mean anyone is better than you, just
different than you.  If your strength is design, I say follow that path
because programming really can be frustrating for many people.  

I can't draw a button.  Anytime I try I end up frustrated.  Imagine if there
was a mailing list for designers and I got on and asked questions about how
to draw buttons.  I might get help at first but eventually people would say
Go buy a book on drawing and practice.  I have friends who have been
drawing since they were children.  They have a sketchbook and always have
some book like how to draw faces, or arms, or animals, or whatever.  They're
constantly practicing techniques.  It's no different.

There's a great quote about programming. 

programming: n.
A pastime similar to banging one's head against a wall, but with fewer
opportunities for reward. 

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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Merrill, Jason
On 6/13/06, Mark Winterhalder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 6/13/06, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't know how
 others feel about this, but for me the threshold is /much/ higher
than
 simply downloading a linked zip.

That second line is a mis-quote.  I didn't say that, Mark did.  Though I
agree :) 

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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread Steven Sacks
 Why not hire a designer?

Precisely my point.  Hence, a designer should hire a programmer if they need
some programming done.  

:)

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-13 Thread John Grden

Hey Matt, give Xray a try:

www.osflash.org/xray

Look at your flash application/site in anyway you want and learn a TON more
about the player at the same time.  I've heard from so many flash devs that
they not only fixed their issues, but their knowledge of the player went up
10 fold while using xray.  Yeah, i'm biased, but it flat out works.  Hell,
any good debug routine will help immensly to be honest.

hth,

JG

On 6/13/06, Matt Mc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Not to worry Mark others were helpful. No need to commit yourself.LOL

GIve me a link to a better forum for my question if you have one.

When I parsed out the info it was hard to get an answer. So I spent some
time to make a neat package so if someone did want to help I could send it
and it would be as clean as possible.

Sorry if I still don't meet your standards of list behavior.

Bottom line is if someone gets stuck they are going to find help where
they can. To tell you the truth I would post just about any place to be able
to get an answer just so I can go to sleep one night this week.

Some of us are not action scripting for fun. We are working in the real
world, I am a designer I am learning flash and can make my way around the
flash design environment just fine.

If I knew enough about action scripting not to need help (noob) than I
wouldn't really need this list now would I.

Also if the Noob list wasn't so Noob I could get my problem solved their
without getting spurned by an elitist.

The truth about this board is that most people are helpfull and those are
the people that I have come in contact with. Well untill Mark made his post.

Have a Nice Day Mark.

Matthew

Mark Winterhalder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/13/06, Merrill,
Jason  wrote:
 Perfect example of what we are talking about:

While we're at it, a general piece of advice:

I have the files all neatly bundled up in a zip file. I have a readme
describing my problem I have checked all my links (twice) to make sure
they all work.
send me an email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will send you the
files if you think you are a real ninja.

The first part looks pretty good, with a readme and everything zipped
neatly together. Bonus points for comments in the code, traces where
they could be helpful with extra comments what they trace. Where it
goes wrong is when it gets to the emailing part -- I don't know how
others feel about this, but for me the threshold is /much/ higher than
simply downloading a linked zip.
The reason for this is that I would feel like I would be making a
commitment, before even knowing what I was getting myself into. Been
there, done that -- what I got was the most horrible code I had ever
seen, ripped somewhere off the web with variable names in a language
neither me nor the help-seeker could understand, _root and on(
clipEvent ) all over it. After a while I figured it was easier to
rewrite it, which took me only half an hour but didn't save me from
dozens of follow up questions, some of which I had already answered,
others were unrelated, and the rest he answered himself only minutes
after sending.
So, just post a link. If somebody wants to help s/he will look at it
and let you know if there is a solution. A link also means I can look
into it when I come across it and have a few minutes to spare, instead
of waiting for a reply that might come the next day when I don't have
the time.

Since I'm already ranting about off-list issues, some other things I
have encountered in the past:
Please, if you seek help, don't take threads off-list unless asked.
Somebody suggesting something here most likely doesn't want to be your
personal help desk from then on, not by mail, and definitely not via
IM (even if we have the same mother-tongue that doesn't mean you're my
new best friend, it's really not that an uncommon language, thank
you). Keep it on the list. Others will read it, too, and might be able
to help better or quicker, plus if somebody actually bothers to search
the archives it will show up. It's a win-win for everybody involved.

Mark

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-12 Thread Daniel Cascais

Some FlashCoders might be moving over to FlexCoders, where they can
talk about ActionScript 3...

On 6/12/06, Mike Mountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Dunno if its me skilling up (which I doubt) but it would seem a lot of
the posts flash coders are getting now would be better suited in:

Flashnewbie: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashnewbie

We seem to be getting a lot of basic questions and the list seems to
have lost some of its bleeding edge status.

Anyone else sense this change in the force?

It would seem a lot of the big guns have moved on - so the question is
where is the next list up? Has everyone moved over to:

OSFlash: http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org

What's the traffic/quality ratio there like?

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-12 Thread Derek Vadneau
Been like that for quite some time.

Too many people answering newbie posts instead of pointing them to the 
newbie list.

Plus, too many OT posts. Why would someone want to read discussions on 
non-Flash coding topics in Flashcoders? That's what other lists are for. 
Others seem to disagree, and while I too am interested in various topics 
Flash-related, they don't necessarily belong here.

Dave Watts gave an excellent post and link a couple of weeks ago about 
list etiquette: 
http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/pipermail/flashcoders/2006-May/166785.html


Derek Vadneau

- Original Message - 
From: Mike Mountain [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 10:37 AM
Subject: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading


Dunno if its me skilling up (which I doubt) but it would seem a lot of
the posts flash coders are getting now would be better suited in:

Flashnewbie: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashnewbie

We seem to be getting a lot of basic questions and the list seems to
have lost some of its bleeding edge status.

Anyone else sense this change in the force?

It would seem a lot of the big guns have moved on - so the question is
where is the next list up? Has everyone moved over to:

OSFlash: http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org

What's the traffic/quality ratio there like?

M


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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-12 Thread Mike Mountain
 
 
 Too many people answering newbie posts instead of pointing 
 them to the newbie list.

I'm guilty of that - it was the flash player thread that prompted the
hang on a minute... moment and begat this email


 Plus, too many OT posts. Why would someone want to read 
 discussions on non-Flash coding topics in Flashcoders? That's 
 what other lists are for. 

These can be debatable it's true - depends what ti is - I don't want to
see posts about the last episode of Lost on here, but I don't mind the
odd bit of humour in a thread that is flash coders related.

I just seem to find myself scanning over/deleting instantly more and
more posts, whereas 8-12 months ago I was reading the vast majority


M
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-12 Thread ryanm

I just seem to find myself scanning over/deleting instantly more and
more posts, whereas 8-12 months ago I was reading the vast majority

   It's cyclical, like everything else. In the absence of stimulating 
discussion of complex and interesting problems, some newbie questions and OT 
posts don't bother me. Keep in mind, though, that 8-12 months ago we were 
anticipating a new release, talking about what may or may not be in it, and 
what it may mean for the future of Flash. There has also been a FlashCom 
release, a Flex beta that includes AS3, and a MM was aquired by Adobe, so in 
the wake of all that, it would be surpising if it didn't seem a little 
boring around here for a while. ;-)


   I get, on average, around 500 real emails a day (as opposed to what 
catches in my spam trap and the crap that gets through), so I'm used to 
deleting the majority of them anyway. Deleting 100 a day to get to the 
handful that I want to read isn't a big deal for me.


ryanm 


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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-12 Thread 8ball Developer

People, stop the madness

The flash player question is not a newbie question. I have over 8 years of
flash development under my belt. It's a simple question, not newbie and I
still don't have a good answer for it.



On 6/12/06, Mike Mountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




 Too many people answering newbie posts instead of pointing
 them to the newbie list.

I'm guilty of that - it was the flash player thread that prompted the
hang on a minute... moment and begat this email


 Plus, too many OT posts. Why would someone want to read
 discussions on non-Flash coding topics in Flashcoders? That's
 what other lists are for.

These can be debatable it's true - depends what ti is - I don't want to
see posts about the last episode of Lost on here, but I don't mind the
odd bit of humour in a thread that is flash coders related.

I just seem to find myself scanning over/deleting instantly more and
more posts, whereas 8-12 months ago I was reading the vast majority


M
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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-12 Thread Jim Robson
FWIW: I've been working with Flash for over 6 years, but there are still a
lot of things I haven't done. I've built some complex apps, but they are
business apps (functionality revolves around the basic CRUD) intended to be
displayed in the browser on desktop PCs. So, for example, I've never built
an app for the pocket PC, I've never built a game, and I've done very little
with video. If I were to get a new assignment in one of these areas, then I
might post a question that seems like a newbie question to some other people
on the list. Is it wrong to post such questions? As ryanm pointed out, all
you need to do is delete the messages that don't interest you.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 8ball
Developer
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 12:14 PM
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Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

People, stop the madness

The flash player question is not a newbie question. I have over 8 years of
flash development under my belt. It's a simple question, not newbie and I
still don't have a good answer for it.



On 6/12/06, Mike Mountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  Too many people answering newbie posts instead of pointing
  them to the newbie list.

 I'm guilty of that - it was the flash player thread that prompted the
 hang on a minute... moment and begat this email


  Plus, too many OT posts. Why would someone want to read
  discussions on non-Flash coding topics in Flashcoders? That's
  what other lists are for.

 These can be debatable it's true - depends what ti is - I don't want to
 see posts about the last episode of Lost on here, but I don't mind the
 odd bit of humour in a thread that is flash coders related.

 I just seem to find myself scanning over/deleting instantly more and
 more posts, whereas 8-12 months ago I was reading the vast majority


 M
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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-12 Thread Lee McColl-Sylvester
Er, didn't they just turn this thread into what they commented they'd
prefer not to see so much of in the FlashCoders list?  ;-)

Lee



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim
Robson
Sent: 12 June 2006 17:29
To: 'Flashcoders mailing list'
Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

FWIW: I've been working with Flash for over 6 years, but there are still
a
lot of things I haven't done. I've built some complex apps, but they are
business apps (functionality revolves around the basic CRUD) intended to
be
displayed in the browser on desktop PCs. So, for example, I've never
built
an app for the pocket PC, I've never built a game, and I've done very
little
with video. If I were to get a new assignment in one of these areas,
then I
might post a question that seems like a newbie question to some other
people
on the list. Is it wrong to post such questions? As ryanm pointed out,
all
you need to do is delete the messages that don't interest you.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 8ball
Developer
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 12:14 PM
To: Flashcoders mailing list
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

People, stop the madness

The flash player question is not a newbie question. I have over 8 years
of
flash development under my belt. It's a simple question, not newbie and
I
still don't have a good answer for it.



On 6/12/06, Mike Mountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  Too many people answering newbie posts instead of pointing
  them to the newbie list.

 I'm guilty of that - it was the flash player thread that prompted the
 hang on a minute... moment and begat this email


  Plus, too many OT posts. Why would someone want to read
  discussions on non-Flash coding topics in Flashcoders? That's
  what other lists are for.

 These can be debatable it's true - depends what ti is - I don't want
to
 see posts about the last episode of Lost on here, but I don't mind
the
 odd bit of humour in a thread that is flash coders related.

 I just seem to find myself scanning over/deleting instantly more and
 more posts, whereas 8-12 months ago I was reading the vast
majority


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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-12 Thread Mike Britton

Not to mention the ability to search through messages (or digests) for
keywords of interest.

Mike
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-12 Thread Derek Vadneau
There is no free license for the standalone player alone, that I know of. 
Are you trying to distribute to just one person for development/approval 
purposes?

If so, then just send an EXE with a SWF that loads another SWF at startup 
as someone suggested, so that you can just send them new SWFs to test.

If you are trying to distribute the player, you need to apply for a 
license to do so. If the license on the Adobe site does not satisfy your 
needs you should contact Adobe for licensing options.

Licensing requirements are best discussed with lawyers not other 
developers. Everyone has their opinion, but only a lawyer is going to be 
able to give you the legal devices to back you up.

If you are planning to distribute you might also want to look at some of 
the SWF2EXE options out there.


Derek Vadneau
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From: 8ball Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading


People, stop the madness

The flash player question is not a newbie question. I have over 8 years of
flash development under my belt. It's a simple question, not newbie and I
still don't have a good answer for it.


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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-12 Thread Derek Vadneau
We know. The only way to discuss the list with the list is to post on the 
list.


Derek Vadneau

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Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 12:44 PM
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Er, didn't they just turn this thread into what they commented they'd
prefer not to see so much of in the FlashCoders list?  ;-)

Lee


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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-12 Thread Aaron Buchanan
I use rules with entourage, and then filter by subject, you can delete all
messages with a matching subject that way. Somethin like that might work for
you. I'm sure u can do it in outlook as well.

a


On 6/12/06 7:37 AM, Mike Mountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dunno if its me skilling up (which I doubt) but it would seem a lot of
 the posts flash coders are getting now would be better suited in:
 
 Flashnewbie: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashnewbie
 
 We seem to be getting a lot of basic questions and the list seems to
 have lost some of its bleeding edge status.
 
 Anyone else sense this change in the force?
 
 It would seem a lot of the big guns have moved on - so the question is
 where is the next list up? Has everyone moved over to:
 
 OSFlash: http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org
 
 What's the traffic/quality ratio there like?
 
 M 
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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash coders content degrading

2006-06-12 Thread Nehal
I m enjoying this...Sometime this kind of thread helps as a break :)

-Neh


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Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 10:12 AM
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I use rules with entourage, and then filter by subject, you can delete all
messages with a matching subject that way. Somethin like that might work for
you. I'm sure u can do it in outlook as well.

a


On 6/12/06 7:37 AM, Mike Mountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dunno if its me skilling up (which I doubt) but it would seem a lot of
 the posts flash coders are getting now would be better suited in:
 
 Flashnewbie: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashnewbie
 
 We seem to be getting a lot of basic questions and the list seems to
 have lost some of its bleeding edge status.
 
 Anyone else sense this change in the force?
 
 It would seem a lot of the big guns have moved on - so the question is
 where is the next list up? Has everyone moved over to:
 
 OSFlash: http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org
 
 What's the traffic/quality ratio there like?
 
 M 
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