Re: [Flightgear-devel] RE: msvc7.1 compiling problem

2005-06-19 Thread Frederic Bouvier
eagle monart wrote : thank you guys , finaly compiled the latest source : )) but still i am looking for the puffy clouds that i saw in devel mailing list. How can I enable puffy clouds??? . I played with layers types and also enable 3dclouds in fgrun but didnt succeed. It is in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Native-Ctrls UDP packet structure

2005-06-19 Thread bass pumped
Hi all, I managed to finally get control of flightgear using a joystick and the native-ctrls format from simulink. IT FLIES! at least almost... Just have one thing I couldn't sort out... that was the throttle. It seems to be acting digital,ie. at certain instants, based on the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] New turbo/supercharger code

2005-06-19 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross Vivian Meazza wrote: control-input axis=/controls/engines/engine[0]/boost-control Here is the setting in the property browser Controls/engines/engine/boost-control= 1.0 Case bug or just a typo? Oh, were it that easy! Unfortunately, neither - my mail client did that -

RE: [Flightgear-devel] New turbo/supercharger code

2005-06-19 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross wrote Vivian Meazza wrote: I would deduce that the property: Controls/engines/engine/boost-control Does not exist when the solver runs. It should still see a zero for undefined properties, What does it do for defined properties that contain null/nil? although you can

[Flightgear-devel] Short Reference Document error?

2005-06-19 Thread Jon Berndt
This short reference: http://www.flightgear.org/Docs/FGShortRef.pdf shows the rudder control on the numeric keypad as being the 0 and , (comma) keys. There is no comma on the numeric keypad. This is confusing. Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RE: msvc7.1 compiling problem

2005-06-19 Thread Gerard Robin
Le dimanche 19 juin 2005 06:20 +0200, Arnt Karlsen a crit : for a week or more, quickest way is run http://damnsmalllinux.org off ramdisk, boot it off a cd image with ' dsl toram ', set up networking and the web server, dump in those screen shots and post the url here. hello Arnt my

[Flightgear-devel] Landing Gear Jitters: Resolved?

2005-06-19 Thread Jon Berndt
I am testing out a small preliminary fix for the landing gear jitter seen in various JSBSim aircraft. Curt has relayed that the default C-172 does have this problem - and I have now seen that. The preliminary fix does seem to have fixed that, although when brakes are applied while at rest there

[Flightgear-devel] newbee

2005-06-19 Thread Jim Campbell
Hi guys, Just returning to flight simulation after many years abscence (well used to have a real job to do!!). Flightgear looks like a really good project to get involved in. I am hoping to look at code optimisation in the refresh loop of the bits that do sums. I am more familiar with compiler

RE: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Wind and Turbulence

2005-06-19 Thread Jon Berndt
What does FlightGear do in the way of wind and turbulence? I assume that winds are set in FlightGear in NED coordinates and that those change slowly? Turbulence is modeled in the FDMs, but parameters are passed in? FlightGear does not model turbulence itself, does it? What is WEATHER_CM?

[Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear Wind and Turbulence

2005-06-19 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Jon Berndt -- Sunday 19 June 2005 16:43: What is WEATHER_CM? I am looking in JSBSim.cxx and wonder what the defined WEATHER_CM is set to by default. WeatherCM is the old weather system that has been removed from cvs for fgfs 0.9.4. It's in the old repository's hidden Attic/. I think it's safe

RE: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Wind and Turbulence

2005-06-19 Thread Jon Berndt
I am debugging the gear jittering in JSBSim and I am seeing windNED spike every so often and I have commented out turbulence code in JSBSim, so I am wondering if these wind spikes are coming from FlightGear. OK, in working to fix the gear jitter I've discovered some things about the winds

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear Wind and Turbulence

2005-06-19 Thread Jon Berndt
WeatherCM is the old weather system that has been removed from cvs for fgfs 0.9.4. It's in the old repository's hidden Attic/. I think it's safe to remove all traces to it. m. Thanks. Will do. That simplifies looking at the code. Jon ___

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New turbo/supercharger code

2005-06-19 Thread Andy Ross
Arnt Karlsen wrote: Andy Ross wrote: Yeah, but that's a bug. There is only one manifold pressure. Surely you don't want *both* mp-inhg and supercharger-output-inhg, which mean exactly the same thing. ..I beg to differ; flow always means there are flow losses. The discussion was about

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New turbo/supercharger code

2005-06-19 Thread Andy Ross
Vivian Meazza wrote: What does it do for defined properties that contain null/nil? It doesn't. The solver doesn't actually try to read properties during solution (which would be madness -- you would get different solution results by changing values that aren't in the aircraft definition file).

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Shadows

2005-06-19 Thread Andy Ross
Harald JOHNSEN wrote: I have started to add some volumetric shadows in Flightgear. It uses the standard stencil method to count shadow volume Wow, nice work. How are you handling silhouette optimization? For those interested, the basic idea behind stencil shadows is that, for every triangle

[Flightgear-devel] RE: msvc7.1 compiling problem

2005-06-19 Thread eagle monart
Also I everytime i compiled flightgear i see some rectangles on the ground and in the air..here are two screens ..next time you wanna show us something, put it on a proper web server, not some damn spam site. If you have a spare box and can put it online for a week or more, quickest

RE: [Flightgear-devel] New turbo/supercharger code

2005-06-19 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross No - nothing else has been modified. I've gone back to the cvs-head version of source and data. This is the _only_ change in the code anywhere: !--control-input axis=/controls/engines/engine[0]/throttle control=THROTTLE/-- control-input

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RE: msvc7.1 compiling problem

2005-06-19 Thread Harald JOHNSEN
eagle monart wrote: I have some visual problems in FG. I comPiled the latest source in msvc71 and i dont know these problems caused by msvc compiling first I wanted to talk about 3d clouds ... They are beatiful and also faster then I expected ...Its like flying in heaven)) but there

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Short Reference Document error?

2005-06-19 Thread Martin Spott
Jon Berndt wrote: shows the rudder control on the numeric keypad as being the 0 and , (comma) keys. There is no comma on the numeric keypad. This is confusing. This was written by a German (Michael Basler) - we acually _have_ a comma as the decimal separator on the numeric keypad :-) I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Short Reference Document error?

2005-06-19 Thread Oliver C.
On Sunday 19 June 2005 13:50, Jon Berndt wrote: This short reference: http://www.flightgear.org/Docs/FGShortRef.pdf shows the rudder control on the numeric keypad as being the 0 and , (comma) keys. There is no comma on the numeric keypad. This is confusing. Then you have a keyboard with US

RE: [Flightgear-devel] New turbo/supercharger code

2005-06-19 Thread Vivian Meazza
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flightgear-devel- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Ross Sent: 19 June 2005 18:34 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] New turbo/supercharger code Vivian Meazza wrote: Not. At least, only in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Shadows

2005-06-19 Thread Harald JOHNSEN
Andy Ross wrote: * Stated exactly: the silhouette is a subset of triangle pairs sharing an edge where one triangle is front-facing with respect to the light source, and the other is back-facing may be on the silhouette. There is a pre process step where I look for the 2 triangles that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New turbo/supercharger code

2005-06-19 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman wrote: No we shouldn't. In aviation there are not many places where SI units are used so we stick with what is used by default. If you don't like it use Nasal to correct it yourself. In the _long_ run it might make _much_ sense to use SI units _internally_ and let every designer

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New turbo/supercharger code

2005-06-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 09:08:05 -0700, Andy wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote: Andy Ross wrote: Yeah, but that's a bug. There is only one manifold pressure. Surely you don't want *both* mp-inhg and supercharger-output-inhg, which mean exactly the same thing.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RE: msvc7.1 compiling problem

2005-06-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:14:06 +0200, Harald wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: eagle monart wrote: other problem is about strange rectangles in sim... I ve the same problem even in 0.9.8 release compile.. i can see these rectangles almost everywhere in clouds , on the sea and on

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Shadows

2005-06-19 Thread Andy Ross
Harald JOHNSEN wrote: There is a pre process step where I look for the 2 triangles that share an edge. You're doing that per frame? Does it work well? I saw a huge CPU hit from that test, but that was about 2.5 years ago on a slower machine than is available now. Is the code complete enough

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Short Reference Document error?

2005-06-19 Thread Jon Berndt
So there's nothing wrong with it, it's just that every user has another kind of keyboard layout. ;) Best Regards, Oliver C. Aha! Well, yes, I understand, now, but for newbies from the U.S. it will be wrong. I'll modify the PDF and send it to Curt (or whoever maintains that doc). It needs

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Short Reference Document error?

2005-06-19 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Jon Berndt -- Sunday 19 June 2005 20:23: Aha! Well, yes, I understand, now, but for newbies from the U.S. it will be wrong. I'll modify the PDF and send it to Curt Modify the PDF? Of course, you mean the TeX source file from which it was generated, not the PDF itself, right? It's in the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Short Reference Document error?

2005-06-19 Thread Jon Berndt
Modify the PDF? Of course, you mean the TeX source file from which it was generated, not the PDF itself, right? It's in the docs module. m. I already modified the PDF (I have Acrobat). I didn't know where the doc came from originally, and I don't know TeX. If I have time later I'll take a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Short Reference Document error?

2005-06-19 Thread Gerard Robin
Le dimanche 19 juin 2005 20:03 +0200, Oliver C. a crit : On Sunday 19 June 2005 13:50, Jon Berndt wrote: This short reference: http://www.flightgear.org/Docs/FGShortRef.pdf shows the rudder control on the numeric keypad as being the 0 and , (comma) keys. There is no comma on the

[Flightgear-devel] RE: msvc7.1 compiling problem

2005-06-19 Thread eagle monart
other problem is about strange rectangles in sim... I ve the same problem even in 0.9.8 release compile.. i can see these rectangles almost everywhere in clouds , on the sea and on the ground. here some screens http://www.geocities.com/fgscreens/fgfs-screen-011.jpg

[Flightgear-devel] Getting an airport fixed

2005-06-19 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
If I found a lot of inaccuracies in an airport and want to get them fixed, who should I talk to? Thanks in advance, Ampere ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Short Reference Document error?

2005-06-19 Thread Martin Spott
Jon Berndt wrote: Aha! Well, yes, I understand, now, but for newbies from the U.S. it will be wrong. I'll modify the PDF and send it to Curt (or whoever maintains that doc). It needs to be clear. Aha ? In fact the notation in the cheat sheet _is_ correct and clear, why the hell do you want to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting an airport fixed

2005-06-19 Thread Martin Spott
Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: If I found a lot of inaccuracies in an airport and want to get them fixed, who should I talk to? Please get TaxiDraw from: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/~eazdluf/taxidraw.html and adjust the mentioned airport. Then submit the respective project file to David Luff

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting an airport fixed

2005-06-19 Thread Gerard Robin
Le dimanche 19 juin 2005 15:32 -0400, Ampere K. Hardraade a crit : If I found a lot of inaccuracies in an airport and want to get them fixed, who should I talk to? Thanks in advance, Ampere I have the same request LFPO is wrong: -- take off point beside the runway Thanks --

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Short Reference Document error?

2005-06-19 Thread Jon Berndt
Aha ? In fact the notation in the cheat sheet _is_ correct and clear, why the hell do you want to break it ? It's just a matter of point of view an I assume there are _many_ FlightGear users out there that have a comma as a decimal separator - it's just that they probably don't live in the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Short Reference Document error?

2005-06-19 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jon Berndt wrote: Aha ? In fact the notation in the cheat sheet _is_ correct and clear, why the hell do you want to break it ? It's just a matter of point of view an I assume there are _many_ FlightGear users out there that have a comma as a decimal separator - it's just that they probably

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting an airport fixed

2005-06-19 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On June 19, 2005 04:10 pm, Gerard Robin wrote: I have the same request LFPO is wrong: -- take off point beside the runway Thanks -- Gerard For me, it is the LFBO. 14L/32R is a dirt runway, and there is no taxiway connected to the ends of 14R/32L. =/ I notice another airport around the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Short Reference Document error?

2005-06-19 Thread bass pumped
Hi guys, Since you are updating the documentation, I think it might be a good idea to include the byte order lists of the various input/ouput protocols. It would help someone who would want to fly flightgear through some external application, and especially help those who are building external

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Off Topic: Father's Day Card/Gift

2005-06-19 Thread Theo Reticle
If anyone needs a Father's Day card, I made this one for my Dad (one of those guys who has everything). It's non-flightsim related, but kind of tech-ish and completely free for use: http://www.wintergreen.ws/fathersday/present.html ___

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Short Reference Document error?

2005-06-19 Thread Oliver C.
On Sunday 19 June 2005 22:20, Jon Berndt wrote: Aha ? In fact the notation in the cheat sheet _is_ correct and clear, why the hell do you want to break it ? It's just a matter of point of view an I assume there are _many_ FlightGear users out there that have a comma as a decimal separator

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Short Reference Document error?

2005-06-19 Thread Harald JOHNSEN
Jon Berndt wrote: I think you are making a disingenuous assumption, here, on what I am saying. It IS correct and clear for*European*users, yes. All that I did to the PDF document was to add a _note_ in the appropriate section in brackets that says: [U.S. keyboards use . instead of ,] Now

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Short Reference Document error?

2005-06-19 Thread Theo Reticle
Hear hear. - Original Message - From: Oliver C. To: FlightGear developers discussions Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] "Short Reference" Document error? On Sunday 19 June 2005 22:20, Jon Berndt wrote: Aha ? In fact the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Short Reference Document error?

2005-06-19 Thread Martin Spott
Jon Berndt wrote: Are you opposed, in principle, to providing U.S. users with accurate information? I don't understand what's got you so hot about this. It's an international project. Let's be clear for everyone. This complies entirely with my intention. Please excuse me for missing the

[Flightgear-devel] Some opinions, detail analysis, and ideas related to FlightGear

2005-06-19 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
Hello, This thread in the FlightGear section on Avsim is getting pretty informative. The thread started out as a form of feature request, but it eventually focus on the funding issue of FlightGear. Please check it out:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Short Reference Document error?

2005-06-19 Thread Gerard Robin
Le dimanche 19 juin 2005 23:27 +0200, Harald JOHNSEN a crit : Jon Berndt wrote: I think you are making a disingenuous assumption, here, on what I am saying. It IS correct and clear for*European*users, yes. All that I did to the PDF document was to add a _note_ in the appropriate section

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting an airport fixed

2005-06-19 Thread Gerard Robin
Le dimanche 19 juin 2005 22:10 +0200, Gerard Robin a crit : Le dimanche 19 juin 2005 15:32 -0400, Ampere K. Hardraade a crit : If I found a lot of inaccuracies in an airport and want to get them fixed, who should I talk to? Thanks in advance, Ampere I have the same request

[Flightgear-devel] Le Bourget / Paris Air Show / Aero 2005

2005-06-19 Thread Frederic Bouvier
I had the chance to get a pass for Le Bourget 2005. Unfortunately, the only day I could go was a rainy day. Nevertheless, I took pictures that you can see here http://frbouvi.free.fr/photos/yappa-ng/index.php?album=Aviation%2FLeBourget2005%2F . Some may interest aircraft designers. -Fred

Re: [Flightgear-devel] need help for convertion(importing) fron MSFS into Flightgear

2005-06-19 Thread Gerard Robin
Le vendredi 17 juin 2005 22:53 +0800, yue xianf a crit : Hi every one: any one can give me some hint about how to run the MS FS models under flightgear? I have searched for long time, It is said Wolfram's manual can help, http://home.t-online.de/home/Wolfram.Kuss/,this websit

[Flightgear-devel] Tail dragger trouble.

2005-06-19 Thread Mostyn Gale
I have been trying to make the JSB flight model for my PA-25 pawnee for over a week now, however, I can not get it to steer on the ground. Every time I start my take off roll the plane goes in circles. Has anybody encountered any similar problems? Cheers, Mostyn

[Flightgear-devel] Re: need help for convertion(importing) fron MS FS into Flightgear

2005-06-19 Thread Mostyn Gale
Clifford, It can be done, however it is a rather long winded process. You need to get a program called pretty polly editor (PPE). Open the *.mdl file in PPE and save it as a *.dxf file. Close the program. Re-open it load the *.dxf file and save it as a *.ac file. Then you need to use a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: need help for convertion(importing) fron MS FS into Flightgear

2005-06-19 Thread Gerard Robin
Le lundi 20 juin 2005 09:09 +1000, Mostyn Gale a crit : Clifford, It can be done, however it is a rather long winded process. You need to get a program called pretty polly editor (PPE). Open the *.mdl file in PPE and save it as a *.dxf file. Close the program. Re-open it load the *.dxf

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Tail dragger trouble.

2005-06-19 Thread Gerard Robin
Le lundi 20 juin 2005 09:09 +1000, Mostyn Gale a crit : I have been trying to make the JSB flight model for my PA-25 pawnee for over a week now, however, I can not get it to steer on the ground. Every time I start my take off roll the plane goes in circles. Has anybody encountered any

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Tail dragger trouble.

2005-06-19 Thread Jon Berndt
I have been trying to make the JSB flight model for my PA-25 pawnee for over a week now, however, I can not get it to steer on the ground. Every time I start my take off roll the plane goes in circles. Has anybody encountered any similar problems? I am working on trying to resolve the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Short Reference Document error?

2005-06-19 Thread Jon Berndt
So, you think the UK is part of Europe, eh? We use the same convention as the US for ./, Vivian. Heh. :-) What's above the number 4 (not on the numeric keypad)? Is it a $ or a ? (not sure that will print correctly)? Jon ___ Flightgear-devel

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Short Reference Document error?

2005-06-19 Thread Jon Berndt
This complies entirely with my intention. Please excuse me for missing the point - from reading your comment I had the impression you simply changed the comma to a dot in the PDF. Please send me a copy of your PDF and I'll change the TeX source accordingly. Thanks - will do. I'm currently

[Flightgear-devel] Re: need help for convertion(importing) fron MS FS into Flightgear

2005-06-19 Thread Mostyn Gale
If you feel it you could continu and modify the doc i began. May be i am wrong . Do you thing that doc is good for garbage. -- Gerard Gerard I just answered in a hurry this morning. Perhaps I should have said that this is my way of converting *.mdl files. I'm sure there are

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: need help for convertion(importing) fron MS FS into Flightgear

2005-06-19 Thread Gerard Robin
Le lundi 20 juin 2005 10:49 +1000, Mostyn Gale a crit : If you feel it you could continu and modify the doc i began. May be i am wrong . Do you thing that doc is good for garbage. -- Gerard Gerard I just answered in a hurry this morning. Perhaps I should have said

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Off Topic: Father's Day Card/Gift

2005-06-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:03:19 -0400, Theo wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If anyone needs a Father's Day card, I made this one for my Dad (one of those guys who has everything). It's non-flightsim related, but kind of tech-ish and completely free for use:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Short Reference Document error?

2005-06-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:33:19 -0500, Jon wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So, you think the UK is part of Europe, eh? We use the same convention as the US for ./, Vivian. Heh. :-) What's above the number 4 (not on the numeric keypad)? Is it a $ or a ? (not sure that will print

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Short Reference Document error?

2005-06-19 Thread Andy Ross
Oliver C. wrote: Maybe it sounded in your first letter like that you may be one of those Americans who allways try to make the USA the center of the world. It should be pointed out that those Americans live almost exclusively in your television set. Real people, even republicans, are