On Thursday 06 January 2005 20:56, Durk Talsma wrote:
the new scenery should really be 0.9.8. (if I understand the terrasync
Hmm, okay, I guess that should be 0.9.7...
I also should have mentioned that FlightGear ran perfectly for the duration of
the trip (although I left it running
Matevz Jekovec wrote:
There were already few discussions about this a couple of months ago
when terrasync was launched.
My question is when I run terrasync and fgfs and fly where there's no
terrain available yet, do I need to restart fgfs session for the new
terrain to take effect, or are fgfs
Melchior FRANZ wrote:
* Matevz Jekovec -- Tuesday 17 August 2004 14:29:
My question is when I run terrasync and fgfs and fly where there's no
terrain available yet, do I need to restart fgfs session for the new
terrain to take effect, or are fgfs and terrasync already synchronized
now
Just a thought : on windows, there is a system call that enable a program to
receive events when a files in a subtree changes. I don't know for Linux and
other unix though. I already heard about something called FAM but I don't
know if it is built in the kernel now. And I have no idea about the
Matevz Jekovec wrote:
Just a thought : on windows, there is a system call that enable a
program to
receive events when a files in a subtree changes. I don't know for
Linux and
other unix though. I already heard about something called FAM but I
don't know if it is built in the kernel now. And I
Terrasync started out as a one-evening hack/demonstration so it was
never intended to be a full fledged solution and cover every angle and
possibility.
Yeah, but found itself a very useful tool among fgfs users. Maybe even a
start of multiplayer gaming, which includes terrain downloading from
Erik Hofman asked:
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Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync and terrain/scenery
Vivian Meazza wrote:
Then windsocks and radio towers will magically appear in Europe. Or
anyway, they do for me :-).
Are you sure
Erik Hofman wrote:
Matevz Jekovec wrote:
Does terrasync download terrain only or scenery objects as well.
Because the current terrasync repository still has the old structure
IMO. (I set the terrasync root dir to fgfs/data/Scenery/Terrain to
get it work, but this doesn't include objects
Matevz Jekovec wrote:
Erik Hofman wrote:
Hm..., what about the Eiffel tower, Big Ben, English Parlament,
cathedrals, islam churches (sorry, I forgot how they are called :-( )?
Weren't they modeled yet?
There is a generic observatory model, but no database to place them
correctly. The rest of
Matevz Jekovec wrote:
Hm..., what about the Eiffel tower, Big Ben, English Parlament,
cathedrals, islam churches (sorry, I forgot how they are called :-( )?
Weren't they modeled yet?
I have chimneys and cooling towers for a lot of the big UK power
stations - quite handy for navigation. The
Matevz Jekovec wrote:
Does terrasync download terrain only or scenery objects as well. Because
the current terrasync repository still has the old structure IMO. (I set
the terrasync root dir to fgfs/data/Scenery/Terrain to get it work, but
this doesn't include objects download, as they are in
Erik Hofman wrote:
Sent: 12 August 2004 14:59
To: FlightGear developers discussions
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] terrasync and terrain/scenery
Matevz Jekovec wrote:
Does terrasync download terrain only or scenery objects as well.
Because
the current terrasync repository still
Vivian Meazza wrote:
Then windsocks and radio towers will magically appear in Europe. Or anyway,
they do for me :-).
Are you sure about the radio towers?
Curtis uses an US only database for that ...
Erik
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Curtis L. Olson wrote:
Matevz Jekovec writes:
Ok, I run fgfs with the following arguments:
--fg-root=/home/matevz/fgfs/data
--atlas=socket,out,1,localhost,5500,udp
--fg-scenery=/home/matevz/fgfs/data/Scenery
--airport=LJLJ
and I run
nice terrasync -p 5500 -d
Hi Matevz,
I was able to run rsync fine last night after my first reply to your
problem so I believe the rsync server should be working just fine.
Curt.
Matevz Jekovec writes:
Curtis L. Olson wrote:
Matevz Jekovec writes:
Ok, I run fgfs with the following arguments:
Matevz Jekovec writes:
Ok, I run fgfs with the following arguments:
--fg-root=/home/matevz/fgfs/data
--atlas=socket,out,1,localhost,5500,udp
--fg-scenery=/home/matevz/fgfs/data/Scenery
--airport=LJLJ
and I run
nice terrasync -p 5500 -d /home/matevz/fgfs/data/Scenery
And I found myself
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Cameron Moore wrote:
I guess _my_ question in regard to rsync is how much would rsync
actually help in our case. If a tile is changed -- say we fixed a
runway or something -- would a diff accomplish anything since we have
binary scenery files that are also gzipped? Would
Cameron Moore writes:
The biggest difference between rsync and HTTP is that rsync downloads
diffs[1] while HTTP must download the entire file. This is a big plus
for people with slow connections.
I guess _my_ question in regard to rsync is how much would rsync
actually help in our
Cameron Moore writes:
We would need to preserve the timestamp for the 302 code stuff to work.
The biggest difference between rsync and HTTP is that rsync downloads
diffs[1] while HTTP must download the entire file. This is a big plus
for people with slow connections.
I guess _my_
Cameron Moore wrote:
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Megginson) [2002.12.05 09:45]:
Christian Mayer writes:
The missing functionality is the ability to figure out if the tile has
changed IIRC.
But that'n no problem - HTTP already supports that. IIRC it send's a
status code of
Tony Peden wrote:
FTP is a horrible protocol. As firewall admin you've got the problem
that FTP decides dynamically what port it uses for data transfer. So you
have to open quite a few ports.
In pasv mode (settable from the client) it uses only one ...
For the SuSE update I din't find
Christian Mayer wrote:
If there's a secure FTP my client probably can't handle it anyway.
sftp and sftpd are part of the OpenSSH package.
Erik
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Tony Peden wrote:
FTP is a horrible protocol. As firewall admin you've got the
problem
that FTP decides dynamically what port it uses for data transfer.
So you
have to open quite a few ports.
In pasv mode (settable from the client)
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Tony Peden wrote:
My firewall runs under 2.4 with iptables... I can send you the
script that sets it up, so you might discover if I
On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 13:12, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
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Tony Peden wrote:
My firewall runs under 2.4 with iptables... I can send you
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On Wed, 2002-12-04 at 12:47, Christian Mayer wrote:
Cameron Moore wrote:
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian Mayer) [2002.12.04 14:05]:
Norman Vine wrote:
Andy Ross writes:
I think you have to give serious thought to enabling this by default,
Christian Mayer writes:
Except, as Curt has already pointed out, rsync is more than just a
file transfer protocol ... its functionality would need to be duplicated
in FG/SG/plib before http could be used.
The missing functionality is the ability to figure out if the tile has
changed
Curt,
That means I probably means I'm not going to have time to do it, so
bear in mind that this discussion is going into a black hole unless
someone else picks up the slack and has time to continue developing
this.
We certainly have to accept this.
This said, it would be nice to find a way
Norman Vine writes:
But in any case I don't appreciate programs that automatically
connect to the NET and I still want to have the default behaviour
NO networking without explicit authorization !
Right -- it should be built-in but disabled by default. When we have
more GUIs, that won't
Curtis L. Olson wrote:
Christian Mayer writes:
Except, as Curt has already pointed out, rsync is more than just a
file transfer protocol ... its functionality would need to be duplicated
in FG/SG/plib before http could be used.
The missing functionality is the ability to figure out
Christian Mayer writes:
Curtis L. Olson wrote:
Christian Mayer writes:
Except, as Curt has already pointed out, rsync is more than just a
file transfer protocol ... its functionality would need to be duplicated
in FG/SG/plib before http could be used.
The missing
The other thing that rsync does is it deletes files that are no longer
on the server side. I'm sure that's very doable too, but it's an
extra step to consider.
Regards,
Curt.
Norman Vine writes:
Christian Mayer writes:
Curtis L. Olson wrote:
Christian Mayer writes:
Except, as
Michael Basler writes:
We certainly have to accept this.
This said, it would be nice to find a way to enable normal Windows users
to run terrasync on a native Windows system (not being equipped with a
rsync.exe) without too much hassle. I for one would much regret if that
functionality were
On Wednesday 04 December 2002 08:20 pm, David Megginson wrote:
Personally, I'm waiting to use this until it works with William
Riley's scenery -- I don't see much point flying around until we have
roads, rivers, and railroads.
You are welcome to use this for testing. I have limited bandwidth
Norman Vine wrote:
we don't need rsync all we need is SMART ftp in a thread
Please don't use FTP!
FTP is a horrible protocol. As firewall admin you've got the problem
that FTP decides dynamically what port it uses for data transfer. So you
have to open quite a few ports.
Dunno if that's
Christian Mayer writes:
The missing functionality is the ability to figure out if the tile has
changed IIRC.
But that'n no problem - HTTP already supports that. IIRC it send's a
status code of 302 if the reqested data didn't change...
Exactly -- as long as the files are available
Curtis L. Olson writes:
It's more than that though. You need to figure out if the .stg file
has changed, then check any of the files refered to in the .stg file.
If any of those files are 3d models you need to load that model, parse
it's format, and determine if it refers to any other
David Megginson writes:
Curtis L. Olson writes:
It's more than that though. You need to figure out if the .stg file
has changed, then check any of the files refered to in the .stg file.
If any of those files are 3d models you need to load that model, parse
it's format, and
Curtis L. Olson writes:
Load all the non scenery tiles first (assuming these are models or
textures or files associated with models.) Then load the scenery
tiles as needed. We still need someone to impliment the scheme
though. :-) There's always 100 ways to skin a cat ... assuming you
Curtis L. Olson writes:
David Megginson writes:
Curtis L. Olson writes:
It's more than that though. You need to figure out if the .stg file
has changed, then check any of the files refered to in the .stg file.
If any of those files are 3d models you need to load that model,
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:37:08 -0800 (PST),
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Not that my input means diddly ... but YES.
I had the exact same thought.
Wouldn't it be great it the terrasync util could be pointed at an http
server that could stream data
On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 07:28, Christian Mayer wrote:
Norman Vine wrote:
we don't need rsync all we need is SMART ftp in a thread
Please don't use FTP!
FTP is a horrible protocol. As firewall admin you've got the problem
that FTP decides dynamically what port it uses for data
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Megginson) [2002.12.05 09:45]:
Christian Mayer writes:
The missing functionality is the ability to figure out if the tile has
changed IIRC.
But that'n no problem - HTTP already supports that. IIRC it send's a
status code of 302 if the reqested data
Andy Ross writes:
I think you have to give serious thought to enabling this by default,
Great idea, got a URL for a native WIN32 version of rsync ??
Best
Norman
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Norman Vine wrote:
Andy Ross writes:
I think you have to give serious thought to enabling this by default,
Great idea, got a URL for a native WIN32 version of rsync ??
Doing a google on rsync cygwin pulled up this post that claims that
it works normally out of the box. You have to build it
Andy Ross writes:
Norman Vine wrote:
Andy Ross writes:
I think you have to give serious thought to enabling this by default,
Great idea, got a URL for a native WIN32 version of rsync ??
Doing a google on rsync cygwin pulled up this post that claims that
it works normally out of the
Norman Vine wrote:
Andy Ross writes:
I think you have to give serious thought to enabling this by default,
Great idea, got a URL for a native WIN32 version of rsync ??
IMHO we should switch to HTTP.
This avoids firewall problems and clients are also easy to get.
CU,
Christian
--
The
Norman Vine wrote:
rsync is part of the Cygwin distribution these days
but we need a 'native' WIN32 port before we make it
the default
How about this one:
http://winrsync.sunsite.dk/
Erik
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Norman Vine wrote:
rsync is part of the Cygwin distribution these days
but we need a 'native' WIN32 port before we make it
the default
How about this one:
http://winrsync.sunsite.dk/
Hmmm Just a couple of dependencies :-)
Norman
a.. WINrsync_latest.exe ~2.7M
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andy Ross) [2002.12.04 13:21]:
I just tried this last night. Curt, this rocks.
I haven't tried it, but I can't wait to do so.
I think you have to give serious thought to enabling this by default,
either by adding it to the fgfs binary or by having fgfs spawn it as a
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian Mayer) [2002.12.04 14:05]:
Norman Vine wrote:
Andy Ross writes:
I think you have to give serious thought to enabling this by default,
Great idea, got a URL for a native WIN32 version of rsync ??
IMHO we should switch to HTTP.
This avoids
Andy Ross writes:
Norman Vine wrote:
rsync is part of the Cygwin distribution these days but we need a
'native' WIN32 port before we make it the default
Why? It doesn't hurt anything to try spawning a non-existant program.
It just fails to load any scenery, which is exactly the behavior
Andy,
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Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 8:43 PM
Doing a google on rsync cygwin pulled up this post that claims that
it works normally out of the box. You have to build it yourself, or
did as of a year ago anyway.
Cameron Moore wrote:
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian Mayer) [2002.12.04 14:05]:
Norman Vine wrote:
Andy Ross writes:
I think you have to give serious thought to enabling this by default,
Great idea, got a URL for a native WIN32 version of rsync ??
IMHO we should switch
Norman Vine wrote:
But in any case I don't appreciate programs that automatically connect
to the NET and I still want to have the default behaviour NO
networking without explicit authorization !
That's a fair point, although as long as we aren't transmitting any
data I don't see any ethical
Andy Ross writes:
Norman Vine wrote:
But in any case I don't appreciate programs that automatically connect
to the NET and I still want to have the default behaviour NO
networking without explicit authorization !
So if it's not the raw default, it needs to be a trivially simple
switch
Michael Basler wrote:
One ugly solution might be to provide just the rsync.exe, but I don't
know if this works (it would require the cygwin dll, at least). Plus
this might cause licensing troubles.
Why not? I can't speak to whether it works with (only) the cygwin
DLL, but there's nothing
Andy Ross writes:
Michael Basler wrote:
One ugly solution might be to provide just the rsync.exe, but I don't
know if this works (it would require the cygwin dll, at least). Plus
this might cause licensing troubles.
Why not? I can't speak to whether it works with (only) the cygwin
On Wed, 2002-12-04 at 12:47, Christian Mayer wrote:
Cameron Moore wrote:
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian Mayer) [2002.12.04 14:05]:
Norman Vine wrote:
Andy Ross writes:
I think you have to give serious thought to enabling this by default,
Great idea, got a URL
On Wed, 2002-12-04 at 12:33, Norman Vine wrote:
Andy Ross writes:
Norman Vine wrote:
rsync is part of the Cygwin distribution these days but we need a
'native' WIN32 port before we make it the default
Why? It doesn't hurt anything to try spawning a non-existant program.
It just
I think you have to give serious thought to enabling this by default,
either by adding it to the fgfs binary or by having fgfs spawn it as a
child. [...]
Spawning a child might be a nice option, because it eases running the task
asynchronously - anything different is probably not an option
Not that my input means diddly ... but YES.
I had the exact same thought.
Wouldn't it be great it the terrasync util could be pointed at an http server
that could stream data back.
Simple, well known type of service.
Opens the door to random individuals hosting scenery even ?
Tony
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Michael Basler writes:
it works with Cygwin, and it is a really cool innonvative feature.
A couple of nits only:
- I still would suggest transferring this into FlightGear. I first had to
download and install gpc (do most Terragear users recall they did once?),
which might be annoying for
David Luff writes:
Well, it mostly worked. After starting in an area with no scenery, it took
a couple of minutes waiting before the appropriate airport came down, and
FlightGear could be restarted properly. Flying the C172, terrasync mostly
kept up, but in both my tests (one in the bay
On 11/25/02 at 10:11 AM Curtis L. Olson wrote:
David Luff writes:
Is it likely to work over a 56K modem?
David,
First of all I will say that that I haven't tried it. But, I
encourage you to try it yourself since I want to know the answer
too. :-)
I suggest that you start out in the C172 and
On 11/25/02 at 3:27 PM Tony Peden wrote:
OK, I'll give it a go. I've a slight problem though in that I'm on
Linux/GeForce3 at home, and the nVidia drivers will only work if I do
$/sbin/telinit 1
$root passwd
$make install in kernel and GLX nVidia directories
$edit XFConfig-4
David Luff wrote:
David Luff writes:
Is it likely to work over a 56K modem?
Well, it mostly worked. After starting in an area with no scenery, it took
a couple of minutes waiting before the appropriate airport came down, and
FlightGear could be restarted properly. Flying the C172,
If you are _allowed_ to be playing / using Flight Gear at work, then you
can try asking your network administrator to enable rsync protocol.
I _am_ the network administrator and I strongly dislike direct connections
through the firewall without proxy(-filter) But this is a different
Doh, was meant for a different recipient, and replied to the wrong
message ... sorry.
Curt.
Curtis L. Olson writes:
Interesting, much more of a glider configuration. I have something
smaller with no additional space for extra stuff here:
Norman Vine writes:
Curtis L. Olson writes:
I have my terrasync utility up to a point where it has some basic
functionality so I thought I should share it with you all.
Currently flying terrasync'ed with Cygwin
Cool !
I did a lot more tweaking of this util over the weekend and it's
David Luff writes:
On 11/25/02 at 9:06 AM Curtis L. Olson wrote:
ADV: don't bother spending days or weeks downloading all the scenery
for the world before you fly. Just install the base program and
supporting files. Turn on terrasync and it will fetch just the tiles
you need as you fly.
Jim Wilson writes:
Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Terrasync makes you look and feel like you have it all, even though
you don't. :-)
One question: Does it still come with the Ginzu knife?
I'll tell you what, we could set this up as a commercial service and
charge $0.01 per
--- Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[ ... a bunch of cool TerraSync stuff ...]
Do I have to be building/using the CVS cut of FG to take advantage of TerraSync
?
TIA,
Tony
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David Luff writes:
On 11/25/02 at 9:06 AM Curtis L. Olson wrote:
Terrasync makes you look and feel like you have it all, even though
you don't. :-)
Is it likely to work over a 56K modem?
Does for me :-)
Now all we need is a 'virtual rsync' that uses the fastest mirror :-)
Norman
Michael Basler writes:
Curt,
ADV: don't bother spending days or weeks downloading all the scenery
for the world before you fly. Just install the base program and
I think this is a VERY useful tool and a breakthrough insofar, as no other
sim known to me does have this feature. I just
The Tone'ster writes:
--- Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[ ... a bunch of cool TerraSync stuff ...]
Do I have to be building/using the CVS cut of FG to take advantage
of TerraSync
?
Yes, but not so much for the sake of terrasync, but because the
scenery you will be fetching
ADV: don't bother spending days or weeks downloading all the scenery
for the world before you fly. Just install the base program and
supporting files. Turn on terrasync and it will fetch just the tiles
you need as you fly.
There's still one question remaining: Does it work with a proxy
On 11/25/02 at 5:47 PM Martin Spott wrote:
ADV: don't bother spending days or weeks downloading all the scenery
for the world before you fly. Just install the base program and
supporting files. Turn on terrasync and it will fetch just the tiles
you need as you fly.
There's still one
On 11/25/02 at 10:11 AM Curtis L. Olson wrote:
Terrasync makes you look and feel like you have it all, even though
you don't. :-)
Is it likely to work over a 56K modem?
David,
First of all I will say that that I haven't tried it. But, I
encourage you to try it yourself since I want to
Martin Spott writes:
ADV: don't bother spending days or weeks downloading all the scenery
for the world before you fly. Just install the base program and
supporting files. Turn on terrasync and it will fetch just the tiles
you need as you fly.
There's still one question remaining:
There's still one question remaining: Does it work with a proxy (Squid) or
do you need direct connection to the internet on the machine running
FlightGear ?
You'd have to get rsync working through a proxy ... I have no idea if
that can be done or now.
I was not shure if 'rsync' was the only
Martin Spott writes:
I was not shure if 'rsync' was the only way 'terrasync' connects to your
server. That's why I was asking.
Getting 'rsync' working through a firewall is pretty difficult. You could
try to build 'rsync' with 'socks' support, but even then not every
firewall supports
Well, I hacked this up over the weekend so it's not advertised as the
perfect utility that handles every possible situation. The hope is
that those for which it doesn't quite work, might be willing to figure
something out and submit fixes ...
I'm absolutely no C programmer - but I'll see
Getting 'rsync' working through a firewall is pretty difficult. You could
try to build 'rsync' with 'socks' support, but even then not every
firewall supports 'socks'. So I dare to point at the fact that this utility
might be pretty useless for several users.
If you are _allowed_ to be
Lovely stuff!
terrasync.cxx needs these to compile on my GCC 3.2 / SuSE system:
SG_USING_STD(cout);
SG_USING_STD(endl);
In the usage example in README.txt it would be nice to suggest a port in
the private use range (49152-65535), such as 55000, instead of port
5500 which is allocated to
Curt,
it works with Cygwin, and it is a really cool innonvative feature.
A couple of nits only:
- I still would suggest transferring this into FlightGear. I first had to
download and install gpc (do most Terragear users recall they did once?),
which might be annoying for beginners. Terrasync
Julian Foad writes:
[Note: I'm in this position of having FTP but not rsync at work. But I
can't think of a good reason why I should be allowed to run Flight Gear,
or any other justification for requesting rsync access.]
What we need is a way to make rsync masquerade as HTTP -- that's
On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 09:55, David Luff wrote:
On 11/25/02 at 10:11 AM Curtis L. Olson wrote:
Terrasync makes you look and feel like you have it all, even though
you don't. :-)
Is it likely to work over a 56K modem?
David,
First of all I will say that that I haven't tried it.
David Megginson writes:
Julian Foad writes:
[Note: I'm in this position of having FTP but not rsync at work. But I
can't think of a good reason why I should be allowed to run Flight Gear,
or any other justification for requesting rsync access.]
What we need is a way to make rsync
Curtis L. Olson writes:
I have my terrasync utility up to a point where it has some basic
functionality so I thought I should share it with you all. Being
tired last night and not thinking of a better place, I have included
it in TerraGear cvs for now: TerraGear/src/Utils/TerraSync/ You
Ok, try it now ...
Norman Vine writes:
Curtis L. Olson writes:
I have my terrasync utility up to a point where it has some basic
functionality so I thought I should share it with you all. Being
tired last night and not thinking of a better place, I have included
it in TerraGear cvs
Curtis L. Olson writes:
I have my terrasync utility up to a point where it has some basic
functionality so I thought I should share it with you all.
Currently flying terrasync'ed with Cygwin
Cool !
Norman
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