Re: [Flightgear-devel] (no subject)

2013-08-05 Thread John Denker
On 08/05/2013 03:45 AM, Михаил Сойтанен wrote: > I will send data about Russian VOR's to Robin, because > I have found, that variations are outdated. That's good ... but it would be even better to figure out how to get /systematic/ updates from reliable sources, now and in the future. Is there pe

Re: [Flightgear-devel] (no subject)

2013-08-05 Thread John Denker
On 08/05/2013 01:38 AM, Михаил Сойтанен wrote: > In nav.dat file VORs have slave variation. As > I understand, slave variation of VOR depends on magnetic variation at he > location. Does Flightgear use this slave variation, or it computes magnetic > variation "on the fly"? > Do we need to track ma

Re: [Flightgear-devel] git help request

2012-08-09 Thread John Denker
On 08/09/2012 07:45 AM, Curtis Olson wrote: > It looks like every time you rebase you have to reapply the same set of > patches over top the target branch. Not true in general. I've never had a problem like that. > So even if I figure out a way through > it once, I'll have to repeat the same c

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Mapping Airspace

2011-09-23 Thread John Denker
Here's another fun way of mapping airspace: You can get sectional charts in the form of .tif files from: http://www.aeronav.faa.gov/index.asp?xml=aeronav/applications/VFR/chartlist_sect You can then read them into QGIS ... and then overlay them with whatever other information you want, perhaps

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Mapping Airspace

2011-09-21 Thread John Denker
On 09/20/2011 07:08 PM, J. Holden wrote: > This is somewhat off-topic to FlightGear, so I apologize - but I > respond to John Denker: Having looked over what you are trying to do, > I strongly recommend using QGIS with the GRASS plugin. > > Very rarely do I use any of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Mapping Airspace

2011-09-20 Thread John Denker
On 09/19/2011 04:07 PM, HB-GRAL wrote: > To improve our map resources with further data I started an experiment > with free available airspace data. Actually this is far from being a > good map and finished design, it is just a start to implement > (unofficial!) airspace information: > http://m

Re: [Flightgear-devel] various databases +- ground truth ; was: Openstreetmap ...

2011-09-17 Thread John Denker
On 09/16/2011 04:47 AM, HB-GRAL wrote: > I provide a ESRI Shapefile on my server of the airports of > ourairports.com database > http://maptest.fgx.ch/data/ourairports.zip > > There is a column "type", and some airports have value "closed". All > this data is in public domain, if someone wants

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Openstreetmap vs. G**gl

2011-09-15 Thread John Denker
On 09/15/2011 05:15 PM, Martin Fenelon wrote: > I like to think that the positional errors of many (most non US?) > aerodromes are due to mistakes made when changing from one datum to > another. Well, that's not what I think, based on looking at the data. The very first non-US example I look

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Openstreetmap vs. G**gl

2011-09-15 Thread John Denker
On 09/15/2011 03:08 PM, HB-GRAL wrote: > No, it looks like the mapping with apt.dat data is inaccurate, at least > outside the United States. The following repeats an email I sent quite a while ago, which somehow seems to have gotten lost: On 09/10/2011 03:54 PM, HB-GRAL wrote: > I am just cu

[Flightgear-devel] JSBSIm, aeromatic, crosswind taxiiing, et cetera

2011-06-19 Thread John Denker
On 06/19/2011 06:46 AM, Jon S. Berndt wrote: > Maybe I've gone wrong somewhere here, but something similar might work. > Also, in situations like a flat spin or tail slide this probably falls > apart! Let's postpone discussion of exotic flight conditions such as flat spins and tail slides. There

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Coordinate conventions

2011-03-03 Thread John Denker
On 03/03/2011 02:16 PM, cas...@mminternet.com wrote: > What are the coordinate conventions used for eye position offsets in 2.0? > > standard right-hand rule or something else? Messing with the camera > offsets and not getting the results expected. OTOH, the documentation on > the subject is VERY

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sinking feeling - c172 on gravel runway

2011-02-10 Thread John Denker
On 02/10/2011 08:15 AM, Geoff McLane wrote: > Also, it does not happen EVERY time, in each of 3 > machines, 3 OSes... but when I get the situation, it seems > very repeatable... Is there any chance this depends on having a _tailwind_ or something like that? Crosswinds and tailwinds can cause so

[Flightgear-devel] "bug" is a three-letter word

2011-01-28 Thread John Denker
It's spelled "ATI" On 01/27/2011 08:01 PM, Csaba Halász wrote: > I am now running the shiny new 11.1 fglrx driver on my integrated HD4200. > The 737-100 has some silly landing lights, but other than that, it looks > normal. I just how upgraded to the 11-1 fglrx driver. Still no runway lights.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Carrier Altitude

2011-01-25 Thread John Denker
On 01/25/2011 12:14 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: > How about having carriers do a terrain height check and follow the polygon > curvature of the FlightGear world? Call it a feature. The real ocean has swells. They make carrier flight operations considerably more interesting. ---

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New airport textures

2011-01-20 Thread John Denker
On 01/20/2011 07:14 PM, Ryan M wrote: > For the past week I have been working on improved airport taxiway and > grass textures. They've gotten positive feedback on the forums but Gijs > suggested I post about them on the core mailing list for a fair > discussion. > > Here are some screenshots of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] modern X-Plane airport format; Was: Magnetic North

2011-01-18 Thread John Denker
Do we know how X-Plane itself deals with the "runway polygons"? The very existence of such things in the apt.dat file suggests that "some" sort of solution is possible. Perhaps some experimenting with a X-Plane and a hacked-up copy of apt.dat would tell the tale. ---

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Magnetic North

2011-01-16 Thread John Denker
On 01/16/2011 02:23 PM, Martin Spott wrote: > John Denker wrote: > >> FG is still using airport data that hasn't been updated since 2008. > > Depends on your particular definition of "FG". To be precise, the file > at: > > http://mapserver.flightgea

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Magnetic North

2011-01-16 Thread John Denker
On 01/16/2011 01:25 PM, Barry Fawthrop wrote: > There was a news article on Magnetic North Change > and How KTPA had to change from 90 to 80 > > Are these changes being effected into FlightGear ??? No. FG is still using airport data that hasn't been updated since 2008. More than a few things

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Scenemodels ground elevation update

2011-01-10 Thread John Denker
On 01/10/2011 08:26 AM, Curtis Olson wrote: > often, important tall objects > have a known absolute height ... like a radio tower in an FAA database. For > these objects it would be better to keep them at a fixed absolute height > rather than float them up or down with different revisions of the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATIS upgrades

2011-01-04 Thread John Denker
On 01/04/2011 05:51 PM, Dave L wrote: > I've reverted to the previous behaviour for that property, which means that > inches are used globally by default, and if the user sets that property then > millibars are used everywhere except US and Canada. I realise that that > means that the incorrect u

Re: [Flightgear-devel] git for dummies

2011-01-04 Thread John Denker
On 01/04/2011 10:20 AM, Curtis Olson wrote: > I'm in a situation now where I have local > mods that "git diff" does not report and I'm not sure how to deal with that. > How can I find the differences between my local repository and the master > ... especially those changes that I haven't commit

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATIS upgrades

2011-01-03 Thread John Denker
I just now pushed a couple more ATIS upgrades to http://gitorious.org/~jsd/fg/sport-model/commits/atis One of them will, alas, require rebuilding the voice snippet data. http://www.av8n.com/festival/ Mostly this is to improve the "internationalization". --

[Flightgear-devel] further enhanced active-runway selection

2011-01-03 Thread John Denker
I just pushed one more commit to http://gitorious.org/~jsd/fg/sport-model/commits/navaid-repairs This provides IMHO a pleasing combination of simplicity, versatility, consistency, and verisimilitude. The main new feature is to allow the active runway to be chosen to have a crosswind or tailwind

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATIS upgrades

2011-01-02 Thread John Denker
Hi -- On 01/02/2011 06:37 PM, you wrote: > Can I just clarify whether you are happy to have your scripts committed to > flightgear/utils in addition to being available from your website? Yes, happy. Public domain, not GPL. > If so, I'll add them ASAP. Thanks! ---

[Flightgear-devel] ATIS upgrades (was: New release)

2011-01-02 Thread John Denker
On 01/02/2011 09:21 AM, Stuart Buchanan wrote: > - "Romeo" is being pronounced "Romo". Might be a typo in the transcript? It's not a typo, just lousy pronunciation by the synthesizer (festival). Note that if you are worried about typos, you can check for yourself by looking at the property tree

[Flightgear-devel] thanks, Tim

2010-12-29 Thread John Denker
> Comment #8 on issue 110 by timoore33: Pick animation do not hilight > transparent objects any more > http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/issues/detail?id=110 > > fixed with simgear c934b47f2e94fcefb719b9b6186abc4fd8562670 Wow. That helps a lot. -

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re-enabling ATCDCL

2010-12-27 Thread John Denker
On 12/27/2010 03:59 PM, Dave L wrote: > The ATIS/AWOS and nearby ATC frequency dialog are all useful, Yes! > and would be a > major regression if not working for the release. Yes indeed! > I can't see any downside to removing the conditional compilation completely > now, but I'll leave it 24

[Flightgear-devel] ATIS, AWOS, synthesis, runway -in-use, et cetera

2010-12-24 Thread John Denker
On 12/23/2010 04:58 PM, Dave L wrote: > If you can email me the words and script that would be great. It took quite > a long time to index all the words when I did the original recording - this > should be a lot quicker. I put up a little care package at http://www.av8n.com/festival/ The scrip

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Text-to-Speech system, was: New release

2010-12-24 Thread John Denker
On 12/24/2010 01:53 PM, Mirko Stanisak wrote: > I've used Flite to generate voices in ATC simulations (so that you can listen > to the commands between simulated pilots and controllers). It worked quite > well, the speech was understandable quite well, even if it sounded very > artificial. On the o

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New release

2010-12-23 Thread John Denker
On 12/23/2010 05:33 AM, Dave L wrote: > At the moment, the spoken ATIS makes little sense anyway since the > phaseology was corrected a while ago but the extra words were not > recorded. Well, actually the needed words are available. Long ago I wrote a script to run the words through the festi

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New release

2010-12-22 Thread John Denker
It may not be an entirely good idea to release a FlightGear version without any usable ATIS. It appears that ATC/atis.cxx is a stub. It contains only one line of code. Meanwhile there is ye olde ATCDCL/atis.cxx, which contains code but is "deprecated" and is not compiled in the standard configu

Re: [Flightgear-devel] message: Warning: TangentSpaceGenerator: unknown primitive mode 9 why?

2010-12-20 Thread John Denker
On 12/20/2010 05:42 AM, henri orange wrote: > At FG load, i get a lot of these warning messages: > > TangentSpaceGenerator: unknown primitive mode 9 > > Is it just me ? is there any possibility to avoid it ? It's not just you. There are at least two or three bugs involved here. 1) It is a b

Re: [Flightgear-devel] flightgear ./configure apr-1-config

2010-12-13 Thread John Denker
On 07/23/2010 05:12 AM, Csaba Halász wrote: >>> ./configure: line 10540: apr-1-config: command not found >>> ./configure: line 10541: apr-1-config: command not found > That configure test is broken. I agree. It has been broken for a long time ... since well before the previous release. The fi

Re: [Flightgear-devel] mpmap ILS data

2010-04-08 Thread John Denker
On 04/07/2010 07:06 PM, Peter Brown wrote: > Perhaps this has been brought up before, but I see that the ILS > "beam" data for each airport on the mpmap is derived from the runway > alignment (as verified in taxidraw). That sounds like a problem. > This doesn't allow for magnetic > deviation, a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] link problem on new 64 bit system

2010-04-03 Thread John Denker
On 04/03/2010 10:21 AM, dave perry wrote: > I get the following error compiling fgfs. > > /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lopenal > > But /usr/lib64/libopenal.so.0 => libopenal.so.1 => libopenal.so.1.11.753. Note that "libopenal.so" (with no suffix) is not listed. > My .bashrc has the line > export

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Bug: nav[12] selected radial

2010-03-20 Thread John Denker
On 03/20/2010 03:09 PM, David Megginson wrote: > There's a bug in the /instrumentation/nav/radials/selected-deg > property: the code mistakenly assumes that the selected radial is in > true degrees, but isn't a bearing -- it's just a number. You could > design a VOR where radial 180 was north of t

Re: [Flightgear-devel] News from FlightProSim!

2010-03-17 Thread John Denker
First, a parable: The local supermarket sells shiitake mushrooms for $5.00 per ounce. About a mile down the road there is an ethnic market that sells the same kind of mushrooms for $5.00 per *pound*. You might have been told in high school that this kind of thing can never happ

[Flightgear-devel] lamp-post appearance depends on camera tilt angle

2010-03-14 Thread John Denker
1) I closed the bug-tracker issue concerning the taxiway signs. That's all good. 2) Alas there are other scenery elements that still exhibit an improper dependence on camera tilt angle. Example: http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/img48/pole-dark.png in contrast to http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/im

Re: [Flightgear-devel] scenery appearance depends on camera tilt angle

2010-03-12 Thread John Denker
On 03/12/2010 05:13 PM, Tim Moore wrote: >> 262383395d78565 OK! Sign backs are all nice and gray now. -- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactiv

Re: [Flightgear-devel] scenery appearance depends on camera tilt angle

2010-03-12 Thread John Denker
On 03/12/2010 04:10 PM, Tim Moore wrote: > There shouldn't be any black or white > sign backs in the most recent code. Please say what commits constitute the appropriately recent code, so I don't need to grovel through the logs ... or at least so that I know what I'm looking for when I grovel thr

Re: [Flightgear-devel] scenery appearance depends on camera tilt angle

2010-03-12 Thread John Denker
On 03/12/2010 12:05 PM, Tim Moore wrote: >> I flew over there in the ufo and saw gray sign backs there... FWIW, if I limit the flight to the default screensize and default field of view, I find it difficult to reproduce this bug. On the other hand, if I expand the screen to HDTV size and/or zoom

Re: [Flightgear-devel] scenery appearance depends on camera tilt angle

2010-03-12 Thread John Denker
On 03/12/2010 06:54 AM, Tim Moore wrote: > I've checked in a fix for the sign-back problem. The airport sign code is > not fast graphics code and needs another look, but for the moment it works. 1) Thanks, the signs are much improved. 2) The problem is not entirely gone. The window for observin

Re: [Flightgear-devel] scenery appearance depends on camera tilt angle

2010-03-11 Thread John Denker
On 03/11/2010 03:15 PM, Tim Moore wrote: > The mesh representing the back of a sign is not complete; graphics state > from other parts of the scenery are leaking into it. The particular effect > depends on the global draw order, which does change as your viewing angle > changes. Thanks for the ra

[Flightgear-devel] scenery appearance depends on camera tilt angle

2010-03-11 Thread John Denker
What steps will reproduce the problem? --lat=37.637855 --lon=-122.414915 --altitude=656 --heading=113 --fdm=ufo aircraft is stopped. zero airspeed, zero rate of turn, etc. The choice of aircraft doesn't seem to matter; this is 100% reproducible chez moi using the default c172p, the pa24-250, e

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] jsclient and jsserver 64 bit support and 6 axes

2010-03-10 Thread John Denker
On 03/10/2010 01:47 AM, Torsten Dreyer wrote: > I did not commit the 6-axes fix for the following reason: > If we change the protocol anyway, why not do it right an support the maximum > number of axes from plib (currently 16)? The following idea is better: > I'd suggest sending the number of

[Flightgear-devel] network IO issues

2010-03-04 Thread John Denker
I observe the following. Lots of irrelevant stuff snipped: Setup: fgfs --httpd=5400 & lynx -source -head http://localhost:5400/sim/intl/locale/strings/ Result: Making HTTP connection to localhost:5400 Alert!: Unexpected network read error; connection aborted. WARNING: netBufferChannel: o

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Setting OBS on command line/.fgfsrc

2010-03-03 Thread John Denker
On 03/03/2010 06:13 AM, Alasdair wrote: > I am using FG cvs and have recently noticed that commands such as: > fgfs --prop:/instrumentation/nav/radials/selected-deg=63 > no longer have any effect. > > --prop:/instrumentation/nav/frequencies/selected-mhz=108.90 > works fine. I observe the same bug

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Recording and playback

2010-03-02 Thread John Denker
On 03/02/2010 12:39 PM, luca nastro wrote: > I need an information. > The recording and playback generates a file flight.out, I assume you used a command similar to --generic=file,out,20,flight.out,playback If this assumption is not correct, please ask a more specific question. > what are

Re: [Flightgear-devel] SGFile::readline

2010-03-02 Thread John Denker
On 03/02/2010 01:08 AM, Tim Moore wrote: > Furthermore, I can't parse the "suspend development" comment. It is coming > from some alternate reality of git usage. We are definitely talking about two different realities. > First off, I did identify the > commit id where you made changes to use g

Re: [Flightgear-devel] SGFile::readline

2010-03-01 Thread John Denker
On 03/01/2010 04:13 PM, Tim Moore wrote: > I'm looking at io/sg_file.cxx in the sport branch. I see the old > implementation of readline inside an > "execrable_readline" #ifdef. I don't see any other implementation of > readline. > Perhaps my question would go away if I fetched your sport flightg

Re: [Flightgear-devel] SGFile::readline

2010-03-01 Thread John Denker
On 03/01/2010 03:56 PM, Tim Moore wrote: > getline looks fine. :-) > Instead of getting steamed about readline, why not > implement it in terms of getline? I did. If this is really a question, please clarify the question. --

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A Question about External FDM and different viewpoints

2010-02-28 Thread John Denker
On 02/25/2010 02:26 PM, Grimes, John R Mr CTR USAF AFMC AFRL/RWGG wrote: > I am currently running FlightGear 2.0.0 (snagged from the ibiblio ftp > site) that I compiled on my Ubuntu 9.10 64 bit system. Compiled up no > problem, but I have noticed that when I attempt to setup a master/slave > scena

Re: [Flightgear-devel] SGFile::readline

2010-02-23 Thread John Denker
On 02/15/2010 03:19 AM, Tim Moore in part wrote: > readline() is pretty gross; The best way to remove the grossness is to extirpate readline and replace it with something that has a nicer interface ... such as returning a std::string. I wrote a getline function to do this. Much cleaner. No nee

Re: [Flightgear-devel] variant FDM

2010-02-22 Thread John Denker
On 02/21/2010 01:25 PM, Stuart Buchanan wrote: > I think you may be looking at an out-of-date version of > the getstart manual. I don't think so. "cvs up" says my copy is already up to date. The log includes updates through 28 Jan 2010. The passages I quoted earlier were quoted from this vers

Re: [Flightgear-devel] null-FDM and UFO-FDM instrument outages

2010-02-20 Thread John Denker
On 02/20/2010 07:01 AM, I wrote: > -- Replaying /engines/engine[0]/rpm has no effect ... even though > setting the same property via the property browser has the > expected effect: causing the engine to spin at the specified > rate. ... > It's one thing to say more properties need to be set

Re: [Flightgear-devel] null-FDM and UFO-FDM instrument outages

2010-02-20 Thread John Denker
On 02/20/2010 02:23 AM, Erik Hofman wrote: > Well, The Null-FDM does what is say, nothing. It's expected that an > external application fill in the gaps. I did once create a support FDM > for ACMS (black-box) data but I don't think it touches anything but > position and velocity data. > I guess

Re: [Flightgear-devel] null-FDM and UFO-FDM instrument outages

2010-02-19 Thread John Denker
On 02/19/2010 05:59 PM, S Andreason wrote: > I ran into the same problem with using generic instruments when > developing the bluebird over 2 years ago. Some instruments rely on > properties that are only updated by the FDM, and the ufo doesn't. That's valuable information. Can you be more spec

[Flightgear-devel] null-FDM and UFO-FDM instrument outages

2010-02-19 Thread John Denker
Here's a mystery for you: Please take a look at http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/img48/null-fdm-instruments.png Most of the instruments are working, but the rate-of-turn indicator and the Nav 1 CDI/GS needles are frozen. You can see from the property browser that the Nav receiver is properly tune

[Flightgear-devel] variant FDM

2010-02-19 Thread John Denker
I recently discovered that it is possible to fly the C172p (and presumably lots of other aircraft) using --fdm=ufo. This has the potential to be very useful, for instance if you want to pose the aircraft for pictures, and for navaid "flight check" missions. This really ought to be documented. Co

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed new set of splash screens

2010-02-19 Thread John Denker
On 02/19/2010 01:48 AM, Erik Hofman wrote: > I've created a new set of splash screens based on the images Durk > created about two weeks ago. > Does anyone have any objections to committing them or does anybody have > other possible splash screens to choose from? > > http://home.telfort.nl/sp004

Re: [Flightgear-devel] http://wiki.flightgear.org/robots.txt

2010-02-18 Thread John Denker
On 02/18/2010 04:07 AM, Rob / EViLSLuT wrote: > Is the syntax of the robots.txt correct? Could be wrong. Well, technically, it should say "Googlebot" instead of just "Google". But this is such a common mistake that Googlebot answers to the name Google, and no harm is done. > To my knowledge th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] http://wiki.flightgear.org/robots.txt

2010-02-17 Thread John Denker
On 02/17/2010 04:54 PM, Jon Stockill wrote: > Presumably because there are some truly awful bots out there, and google > at least is known to be well behaved. But the truly awful bots don't look at robots.txt. In fact one of the easiest ways to catch rogue bots is to disallow a small part of th

[Flightgear-devel] http://wiki.flightgear.org/robots.txt

2010-02-17 Thread John Denker
http://wiki.flightgear.org/robots.txt User-agent: Google Disallow: User-agent: * Disallow: / #User-agent: Slurp #Crawl-delay: 5 #Disallow: = Really? A collective, open-source project that doesn't allow anybody other than google to index the documentation? Is there a reaso

Re: [Flightgear-devel] SGFile::readline

2010-02-17 Thread John Denker
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 5:43 PM, I wrote: >> 2) It would be even less of a problem to do the following >> the specified number of times: >> -- detect the EoF >> -- close the file >> -- reopen the file and start reading again. >> >> This has the advantage that it works the same as lseek >> for r

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configuration snafu

2010-02-16 Thread John Denker
On 02/12/2010 01:34 AM, I wrote: > I haven't yet made the corresponding > fixes to the FG side of things. Well, I finally got around to it. The patch can be found in the usual place: http://gitorious.org/~jsd/fg/sport-model/commits/sport The commit message says: Fix bug: substrings in LDFLA

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Modifying OSG lib checks in FG configure.ac

2010-02-16 Thread John Denker
On 02/16/2010 01:45 PM, John Denker wrote: OK, I think we can put this sub-issue to bed. I fixed it so that compiling and installing simgear no longer requires the OSG or OpenThreads runtime libraries. The *.h header files are still required. This turned out to be easier than I thought it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Web Site

2010-02-16 Thread John Denker
On 02/16/2010 11:27 AM, Curtis Olson wrote: > Here's one possible idea. Why not whip together a replacement front page > and maybe a sample sub-page, put it in a temporary location, and we can take > a look. That's a great idea. Taking the next step along that road, it would be nice to bring

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Modifying OSG lib checks in FG configure.ac

2010-02-16 Thread John Denker
On 02/08/2010 08:34 AM, Geoff McLane wrote: > you seem to be yelling something. On 02/16/2010 11:47 AM, Geoff McLane wrote: > It seems WHATEVER the reason is, IF it involves > a SimGear AC_CHECK_LIB() then _REMOVE_ the > AC_CHECK_LIB() from SG configure.ac ;=)) > > There is no reason to check

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Modifying OSG lib checks in FG configure.ac

2010-02-15 Thread John Denker
in lib64/ by default. A lot of stuff I do makes more sense if you look at it from the Joe User point of view. I will fix up the FG side of things eventually. commit 5764d1b7da5cb25947f6ada47aa45fe6b2272cec Author: John Denker Date: Mon Feb 15 14:50:29 2010 -0700 Fix sneaky bug: '

[Flightgear-devel] sub-option documentation : repeat

2010-02-15 Thread John Denker
On 02/15/2010 09:22 AM, Tim Moore wrote: > a useful command-line option. The "repeat" sub-option would be even more useful if it were more widely known. It is not mentioned in --help --verbose and not mentioned in getstart.pdf. It would be nice if somebody would a) At least mention README.I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] SGFile::readline

2010-02-15 Thread John Denker
On 02/15/2010 09:22 AM, Tim Moore wrote: >> Hint: The sleep statement ensures that the reader (fgfs) >> will not see an EoF at the point where one cat of bytes >> ends and the next begins. > I'd probably do without the "sleep" and write while true; do cat bytes; > done >/tmp/pipe.flog & instead.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] SGFile::readline

2010-02-15 Thread John Denker
On 02/15/2010 03:19 AM, Tim Moore wrote: > Some of > the grossness is due to a hack which lets a file be treated as an infinitely > repeating stream of bytes, very convenient for demos at SIGGRAPH. Your patch > breaks that hack. I won't argue too strongly that the hack belongs in > SGFile, but I w

[Flightgear-devel] SGFile::readline

2010-02-14 Thread John Denker
The following commit message should be self-explanatory: commit 224ce694fa8ba7dede0e413b81e5dd52e5e65f15 Author: John Denker Date: Thu Feb 11 21:13:19 2010 -0700 Problem was: readline writes out-of-bounds, corrupts memory. Problem was: readline seeks on files that don't support

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Modifying OSG lib checks in FG configure.ac

2010-02-12 Thread John Denker
The attached patch contains only a few lines of "interesting" code. The patch looks bigger than that because I tried to normalize some of the indentation and other trivial issues. commit 237265e977cf775c5adbff813517381a2d4abe3c Author: John Denker Date: Fri Feb 12 13:20:13 2010

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configuration snafu

2010-02-12 Thread John Denker
things. commit 4eb51bb90f4e8c2ca9842ad248b5e0eb57e400f7 Author: John Denker Date: Fri Feb 12 01:25:25 2010 -0700 Fix bug: substrings in LDFLAGS Fix bug: substrings in CPPFLAGS Fix bug: now check libraries (not just headers) for plib. More informative error messages. Spelli

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Shader issue on ATI cards

2010-02-11 Thread John Denker
On 02/11/2010 04:14 PM, jean pellotier wrote: > a temporary fix is to remove the "gl_FrontMaterial.ambient" part in 3 > files, Wow! Direct hit! > here's the diff: That makes a huge improvement. I'm running with shader-effects turned on now, for the first time in months. Thanks! --

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Nasal/*.nas ... order of loading, #include <...>, require(...)

2010-02-11 Thread John Denker
On 02/11/2010 04:11 PM, Csaba Halász wrote: > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:59 PM, John Denker wrote: >> On my machine I observe that the various scripts in >> the Nasal/ directory get loaded in some hard-to-predict >> order. >> >> That means that if you write a sc

[Flightgear-devel] Nasal/*.nas ... order of loading, #include <...>, require(...)

2010-02-11 Thread John Denker
On my machine I observe that the various scripts in the Nasal/ directory get loaded in some hard-to-predict order. That means that if you write a script called foo.nas, it's hard to know whether it will get processed before or after math.nas and/or props.nas. So the question is, what to do if fo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Shader issue on ATI cards

2010-02-11 Thread John Denker
On 02/11/2010 01:41 AM, Stuart Buchanan wrote: > A number of people with ATI cards are having problems with the > default shaders on the current windows v2.0.0 RC: I'm not surprised. The "weird dark pall" has been #1 on my list of FG bugs for months. The bug is known to be shader-related. Th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] multiple --generic record/playback errors

2010-02-09 Thread John Denker
On 02/09/2010 01:14 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: > Right, I wouldn't consider playback.xml to be the most well conceived > generic protocol configuration file, ... Is there some other protocol file that should be used instead? None of the other Protocol/*.xml files seem particularly suited to the re

Re: [Flightgear-devel] multiple --generic record/playback errors

2010-02-09 Thread John Denker
e and longitude. What am I missing? commit 21f8a5cb05b7f3cc054e1821380c2dcc2322add8 Author: John Denker Date: Tue Feb 9 15:17:30 2010 -0700 latitude and longitude need to be handled as DOUBLE precision diff --git a/Protocol/playback.xml b/Protocol/playback.xml index 1b4

Re: [Flightgear-devel] multiple --generic record/playback errors

2010-02-09 Thread John Denker
On 02/09/2010 12:43 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: > The first thought that comes to mind is to double check the precision > (significant digits) of the data you are writing out. If you are writing > out heading for instance with 0 or 1 decimal digits or position with 4 > decimal digits, that could acco

[Flightgear-devel] multiple --generic record/playback errors

2010-02-09 Thread John Denker
Has anybody used the --generic record/playback feature recently? It seems to have some very noticeable bugs: When using the --generic record/playback feature, I observe numerous view-related problems: * Helicopter view: the size of the aircraft throbs at a high rate, getting bigger and sma

[Flightgear-devel] scenery bug: KSQL stray building

2010-02-08 Thread John Denker
At KSQL there is reproducibly a building sitting partially on a taxiway and even extending onto the runway a little bit. http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/img48/ksql-building-on-rwy.png -- The Planet: dedicated and managed

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configuration snafu

2010-02-08 Thread John Denker
On 02/08/2010 10:58 AM, Geoff McLane wrote: > But John, what IS the _BUG_ you refer to? Thank you for asking. > Your bug list page only points out osgFX > library could not be found. This is NOT a BUG!!! > Definitely a user OSG installation problem, but > _NOT_ a SG/FG BUG! Are you asking me o

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configuration snafu

2010-02-08 Thread John Denker
On 02/08/2010 08:34 AM, Geoff McLane wrote: > But that seems beside the point. The configure > script _DID_ tell you it could _NOT_ find the > OSG libraries - you just ignore it. You did not > heed its clear indication that you were headed > into trouble... That statement is completely false. Th

[Flightgear-devel] scheduling and threading

2010-02-08 Thread John Denker
First, a specific question: Is there any reason why, when the simulator is paused, the http property browser should be stalled? I would have expected the network interface to be completely asynchronous. This is an important question, because one of the big reasons for pausing the simulator is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configuration snafu

2010-02-08 Thread John Denker
One thing I'd like to clarify: I wish people wouldn't be so quick to assume that Joe User is a non-programmer and/or an idiot. I never said that, and I never meant to imply that. Let's suppose Joe has a PhD in biochemistry, and has written 100,000 lines of code in the last few years. There are *

[Flightgear-devel] property browsing

2010-02-07 Thread John Denker
Hi -- I made multiple improvements to the http property browser. -- much easier to navigate up the tree -- clearer indication of property type -- possible to re-examine property that has just been set See http://gitorious.org/~jsd/fg/sport-model/commits/sport = S

[Flightgear-devel] triplicate code

2010-02-07 Thread John Denker
getValueTypeString( const SGPropertyNode *node ) == commit 92b369deb2654351ce4e385a773ccbe01113ce14 Author: John Denker Date: Sun Feb 7 02:37:55 2010 -0700 Export the code that translates the _type_ of a property node to a human-readable string. diff --git a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configurator plebis

2010-02-06 Thread John Denker
On 02/06/2010 08:06 AM, Erik Hofman wrote: >> That does not fix the main problem. It does not fix >> the bug that I am reporting. > > The problem you reported is that the linker can't locate the library. > If it's location is defined in ld.so.conf (and after running ldconfig) > it can. No, tha

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configuration snafu

2010-02-06 Thread John Denker
On 02/06/2010 07:54 AM, Csaba Halász wrote: > On 64 bit systems /lib64 should really be a symlink to /lib (similarly > for /usr/lib64) as that is the native architecture. > I say copy the stuff from lib64 to lib and create the symlink. That is one way of doing it. By my count there are at least

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configurator plebis

2010-02-06 Thread John Denker
On 02/06/2010 02:32 AM, Erik Hofman wrote: > As I see it this might actually be a problem for the Linux vendor. They > should have added /usr/lib64 to /etc/ld.so.conf That does not fix the main problem. It does not fix the bug that I am reporting. ld.so.conf is meaningful at runtime. The prob

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configurator plebis

2010-02-05 Thread John Denker
On 02/05/2010 06:43 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: > This simply isn't the case as I have observed it. Everything compiles out > of the box here. I have access to two 64 bit Linux machines. I run Fedora > if that makes a difference. OSG, FlightGear, Simgear, plib go together > without expert magic usi

[Flightgear-devel] configurator plebis

2010-02-05 Thread John Denker
Let summarize a few obvious points: 1) Everybody who is participating in this conversation is doing so in order to help ordinary non-expert users. None of use will directly benefit from any cleanup in the autoconfiguration scripts. Everybody on this list is an expert. We all figured out years a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configuration snafu

2010-02-05 Thread John Denker
On 02/05/2010 03:17 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: > Do you have details of the configure or make error you are seeing posted > somewhere? Yes. Please take a look at http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/htm/bug-list.htm#bug-64bit As it says there: make[1]: Entering directory `/mnt/games/orig/fgs/tests' g++

Re: [Flightgear-devel] configuration snafu

2010-02-05 Thread John Denker
On 02/05/2010 02:38 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: > I don't doubt that there could be some lib vs. lib64 inconsistencies, but > FilghtGear builds right out of the box for me on 64bit Fedora 12 ... no > hitches at all that I recall and it has done so for quite some time. Chez moi plib and simgear install

Re: [Flightgear-devel] severe erosion of the terrain

2010-02-05 Thread John Denker
On 02/05/2010 11:26 AM, leee wrote: > Are those clouds on the horizon or is it distant scenery? Scenery. Mountainous terrain. Clearly recognizable as such. No clouds anywhere: METAR 012345Z 0KT 99SM CLR 15/M01 A2992 > If it's > scenery then funnily enough, back in Feb2008, I r

[Flightgear-devel] [patch] Write pid into property tree and optionally into a file.

2010-02-05 Thread John Denker
x27;s still good to check. commit cc188f7499c03417b1d4a3cb296702ba7b4d67fa Author: John Denker Date: Fri Feb 5 10:12:15 2010 -0700 Write pid into property tree and optionally into a file. diff --git a/src/Main/main.cxx b/src/Main/main.cxx index d5ac553..38202e4 100644 --- a/src

[Flightgear-devel] configuration snafu

2010-02-05 Thread John Denker
I'm glad to see people are cleaning up the autoconf stuff. Here's yet another area that needs some TLC: There appears to be little or no chance that the autoconf system will do the right thing on 64-bit machines. I'm hoping this will be easy for some autoconf guru to fix. I would imagine there

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