Re: [Flightgear-devel] C++ code beautifier / Coding
Csaba Halász a écrit : Looks like tacan is the magic word to make Vivian mad ;) Don't worry, Csaba, TACAN works again now... But AAR seem to be broken too... Yesterday first tests show that contact don't behave has expected. I'll try to confirm this today. Some bad-tempered mail started showing up on this list recently. For me flightgear is great fun both flying and coding and I intend to keep it that way. So everybody be nice and don't get mad at each other, okay? Sure :) We are a good team *and* we enjoy flaming. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] C++ code beautifier / Coding
Alexis Csaba Halász a écrit : Looks like tacan is the magic word to make Vivian mad ;) Don't worry, Csaba, TACAN works again now... Whoa. I'm sorry I was out last night and haven't had a chance to properly test that nice little patch (although I see that it has been committed to my code). Did you test it with MP as well? My (untested) analysis indicates that it should work, but I can't confirm that till later today. But AAR seem to be broken too... Yesterday first tests show that contact don't behave has expected. I'll try to confirm this today. Due to the unfortunate multiplicity and unnecessary duplication of aar code this is going to be a significant task to find, test and fix in the run up to a release. And right now I think we have a problem in that a tanker will show up as an ordinary AIAircraft over MP, so we might need separate code to cope with both situations. I don't have time right now to embark on investigating that. Some bad-tempered mail started showing up on this list recently. For me flightgear is great fun both flying and coding and I intend to keep it that way. So everybody be nice and don't get mad at each other, okay? Sure :) We are a good team *and* we enjoy flaming. I don't, and I don't want to be wound up enough to do it: it's not good for my blood pressure. Vivian - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] C++ code beautifier / Coding
Csaba Halász Sent: 14 June 2007 04:28 Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] C++ code beautifier / Coding On 6/14/07, Martin Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vivian Meazza wrote: Lesson for the future. Understand what code does, test that it doesn't break anything, make sure it compiles on at least one other os, and submit it for review (especially when you are mucking around with other people's code). [...] I don't enjoy repairing code which other people break, and nor, I expect does Alexis. I haven't got time, nor the inclination. Did you make sure that you're targetting the right person? Just in case you didn't know, then you should realize _now_ that you're not the only person who's been working on the AI subsystem recently. Looks like tacan is the magic word to make Vivian mad ;) It is. Some time ago I also submitted a tacan patch for review, didn't get much response from other people. Might be worth to check it out if somebody missed it and is interested. I did, and as I told you at the time, it didn't work properly. Or at least, it didn't conform to the way that the other NAVAIDS work right now. I think my ideas were not that bad for the future. I'm sure they are, but future is the operative word. The if it ain't broke don't fix it strategy is not always the best. It is when we are trying to prepare a release. Now to the coding style. Snip ... We have said enough already Finally some words about development in general. Of course everybody should test their changes prior to submitting them for inclusion, but I don't think this is such a serious matter. (Certainly not warranting buying a copy of windows to be able to check cross-platform) That isn't really necessary. Try to make sure you patch doesn't break anything else using your own os, (and yes we all write in bugs at some point). Then post the patch for review before committing - someone who has a different os has a chance of checking it out, or better, get someone else in this great circle of colleagues to do it for you. No need to work in splendid isolation. If any problems come up later, I am sure the author of the patch would be willing to fix what he has broken. As a last resort, the offending patch could be reverted, nothing is lost. Nobody is required to fix stuff broken by others. Just too often they are. Some bad-tempered mail started showing up on this list recently. For me flightgear is great fun both flying and coding and I intend to keep it that way. So everybody be nice and don't get mad at each other, okay? PS: Be on the lookout, AWACS reports some patches on the way from me ;) Tested, I'm sure :-). Vivian - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] C++ code beautifier / Coding
alexis bory a écrit : But AAR seem to be broken too... Yesterday first tests show that contact don't behave has expected. I'll try to confirm this today. The tests I've made this morning confirm that tanker contact doesn't work anymore. Cheers, Alexis - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] BlackBird SR-71
Hello, everybody those who knows my URL http://perso.orange.fr/GRTux/ have noticed a lot of model, which are not longer available. I made these Aircraft some years ago , they where flying with FG 0.9.8. They were built mainly to answer some friends request. I am going to make these aircraft to be GPL, and FG 0.9.11 and FG OSG cvs flyable. They will be delivered i hpe during the next 4 months. The first one , is the BlackBird SR-71 available here http://perso.orange.fr/GRTux/SR71-BlackBird.tar.gz some snapshot http://perso.orange.fr/GRTux/BlackBird-pic1.jpg http://perso.orange.fr/GRTux/BlackBird-pic2.jpg http://perso.orange.fr/GRTux/BlackBird-pic3.jpg Regards -- Gérard - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] A-10 fuel management
Hi,
Bring back from Attic where it was trowed by error.
Fix to follow new AITanker.
Same file for both PLIB and OSG.
Thanks for commiting
# Properties under /consumables/fuel/tank[n]:
# + level-gal_us- Current fuel load. Can be set by user code.
# + level-lbs - OUTPUT ONLY property, do not try to set
# + selected- boolean indicating tank selection.
# + density-ppg - Fuel density, in lbs/gallon.
# + capacity-gal_us - Tank capacity
#
# Properties under /engines/engine[n]:
# + fuel-consumed-lbs - Output from the FDM, zeroed by this script
# + out-of-fuel - boolean, set by this code.
var UPDATE_PERIOD = 0.1;
var enabled = nil;
var fuel_freeze = nil;
var ai_enabled = nil;
var engines = nil;
var tanks = nil;
var refuelingN = nil;
var aimodelsN = nil;
var out_of_fuel = nil;
var aar_rcvr = nil;
var aar_lock = nil;
var aar_state = nil;
# initialize property if it doesn't exist, and set node type otherwise
init_prop = func(node, prop, val, type = double) {
var n = node.getNode(prop);
if (n != nil) {
var v = n.getValue();
if (v != nil) {
val = v;
}
}
node = node.getNode(prop, 1);
if (type == double) {
node.setDoubleValue(val);
} elsif (type == bool) {
node.setBoolValue(val);
} elsif (type == int) {
node.setIntValue(val);
}
}
update_loop = func {
# check for contact with tanker aircraft
var tankers = [];
if (ai_enabled) {
foreach (a; aimodelsN.getChildren(tanker)) {
var contact = a.getNode(refuel/contact,
1).getBoolValue();
var tanker = a.getNode(tanker, 1).getBoolValue();
var id = a.getNode(id).getValue();
#print(ai ', id, ' contact=, contact, tanker=,
tanker);
if (tanker and contact) {
append(tankers, a);
}
}
foreach (m; aimodelsN.getChildren(multiplayer)) {
var contact =
m.getNode(refuel/contact).getBoolValue();
var tanker = m.getNode(tanker).getBoolValue();
var id = m.getNode(id).getValue();
print(mp ', id, ' contact=, contact, tanker=,
tanker);
if (tanker and contact) {
append(tankers, m);
}
}
}
# A-10 specific receiver logic
var refueling = size(tankers) = 1;
refuelingN.setBoolValue(refueling);
if (size(tankers) = 1) {
if ((! aar_lock) and (aar_rcvr)) {
refueling = 1;
aar_state = 1;
} else {
refueling = 0;
}
} elsif (aar_state) {
aar_lock = 1;
setprop(sim/model/A-10/controls/fuel/aar-lock, aar_lock);
aar_state = 0;
}
if (fuel_freeze) {
return settimer(update_loop, UPDATE_PERIOD);
}
# sum up consumed fuel
var total = 0;
foreach (var e; engines) {
total += e.getNode(fuel-consumed-lbs).getValue();
e.getNode(fuel-consumed-lbs, 1).setDoubleValue(0);
}
# unlock A-10 aar receiver lock and calculate fuel received
if (refueling) {
# assume max flow rate is 6000 lbs/min (for KC135)
var received = 100 * UPDATE_PERIOD;
total -= received;
}
# make list of selected tanks
var selected_tanks = [];
foreach (var t; tanks) {
var cap = t.getNode(capacity-gal_us, 1).getValue();
if (cap != nil and cap 0.01 and t.getNode(selected,
1).getBoolValue()) {
append(selected_tanks, t);
}
}
if (size(selected_tanks) == 0) {
out_of_fuel = 1;
} else {
out_of_fuel = 0;
if (total = 0) {
var fuelPerTank = total / size(selected_tanks);
foreach (var t; selected_tanks) {
var ppg = t.getNode(density-ppg).getValue();
var lbs = t.getNode(level-gal_us).getValue()
* ppg;
lbs -= fuelPerTank;
if (lbs 0) {
lbs = 0;
# Kill the engines if we're told to,
otherwise simply
# deselect the tank.
if (t.getNode(kill-when-empty,
1).getBoolValue()) {
[Flightgear-devel] A-10 fuel management trown to Attic by error
Hi,
Bring back from Attic where it was thrown by error.
Fix to follow new AITanker.
Same file for both PLIB and OSG.
Thanks for commiting,
Alexis
# Properties under /consumables/fuel/tank[n]:
# + level-gal_us- Current fuel load. Can be set by user code.
# + level-lbs - OUTPUT ONLY property, do not try to set
# + selected- boolean indicating tank selection.
# + density-ppg - Fuel density, in lbs/gallon.
# + capacity-gal_us - Tank capacity
#
# Properties under /engines/engine[n]:
# + fuel-consumed-lbs - Output from the FDM, zeroed by this script
# + out-of-fuel - boolean, set by this code.
var UPDATE_PERIOD = 0.1;
var enabled = nil;
var fuel_freeze = nil;
var ai_enabled = nil;
var engines = nil;
var tanks = nil;
var refuelingN = nil;
var aimodelsN = nil;
var out_of_fuel = nil;
var aar_rcvr = nil;
var aar_lock = nil;
var aar_state = nil;
# initialize property if it doesn't exist, and set node type otherwise
init_prop = func(node, prop, val, type = double) {
var n = node.getNode(prop);
if (n != nil) {
var v = n.getValue();
if (v != nil) {
val = v;
}
}
node = node.getNode(prop, 1);
if (type == double) {
node.setDoubleValue(val);
} elsif (type == bool) {
node.setBoolValue(val);
} elsif (type == int) {
node.setIntValue(val);
}
}
update_loop = func {
# check for contact with tanker aircraft
var tankers = [];
if (ai_enabled) {
foreach (a; aimodelsN.getChildren(tanker)) {
var contact = a.getNode(refuel/contact,
1).getBoolValue();
var tanker = a.getNode(tanker, 1).getBoolValue();
var id = a.getNode(id).getValue();
#print(ai ', id, ' contact=, contact, tanker=,
tanker);
if (tanker and contact) {
append(tankers, a);
}
}
foreach (m; aimodelsN.getChildren(multiplayer)) {
var contact =
m.getNode(refuel/contact).getBoolValue();
var tanker = m.getNode(tanker).getBoolValue();
var id = m.getNode(id).getValue();
print(mp ', id, ' contact=, contact, tanker=,
tanker);
if (tanker and contact) {
append(tankers, m);
}
}
}
# A-10 specific receiver logic
var refueling = size(tankers) = 1;
refuelingN.setBoolValue(refueling);
if (size(tankers) = 1) {
if ((! aar_lock) and (aar_rcvr)) {
refueling = 1;
aar_state = 1;
} else {
refueling = 0;
}
} elsif (aar_state) {
aar_lock = 1;
setprop(sim/model/A-10/controls/fuel/aar-lock, aar_lock);
aar_state = 0;
}
if (fuel_freeze) {
return settimer(update_loop, UPDATE_PERIOD);
}
# sum up consumed fuel
var total = 0;
foreach (var e; engines) {
total += e.getNode(fuel-consumed-lbs).getValue();
e.getNode(fuel-consumed-lbs, 1).setDoubleValue(0);
}
# unlock A-10 aar receiver lock and calculate fuel received
if (refueling) {
# assume max flow rate is 6000 lbs/min (for KC135)
var received = 100 * UPDATE_PERIOD;
total -= received;
}
# make list of selected tanks
var selected_tanks = [];
foreach (var t; tanks) {
var cap = t.getNode(capacity-gal_us, 1).getValue();
if (cap != nil and cap 0.01 and t.getNode(selected,
1).getBoolValue()) {
append(selected_tanks, t);
}
}
if (size(selected_tanks) == 0) {
out_of_fuel = 1;
} else {
out_of_fuel = 0;
if (total = 0) {
var fuelPerTank = total / size(selected_tanks);
foreach (var t; selected_tanks) {
var ppg = t.getNode(density-ppg).getValue();
var lbs = t.getNode(level-gal_us).getValue()
* ppg;
lbs -= fuelPerTank;
if (lbs 0) {
lbs = 0;
# Kill the engines if we're told to,
otherwise simply
# deselect the tank.
if (t.getNode(kill-when-empty,
1).getBoolValue()) {
Re: [Flightgear-devel] tacan.cxx fix to follow AITanker.cxx
Durk Sent: 14 June 2007 06:57 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] tacan.cxx fix to follow AITanker.cxx On Wednesday 13 June 2007 23:12, alexis bory wrote: Hi, TACAN has to search the new AI submode 'tanker'. This tiny patch can be applied to both PLIB and OSG. Thanks for committing, Alexis This patch doesn't seem to work here. Has it actually been tested, or perhaps I'm missing something? Just how long are we going on trying to repair this patch? Vivian - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] BlackBird SR-71
On Thursday 14 June 2007 12:01, gh.robin wrote: Hello, everybody those who knows my URL http://perso.orange.fr/GRTux/ have noticed a lot of model, which are not longer available. I made these Aircraft some years ago , they where flying with FG 0.9.8. They were built mainly to answer some friends request. I am going to make these aircraft to be GPL, and FG 0.9.11 and FG OSG cvs flyable. They will be delivered i hpe during the next 4 months. The first one , is the BlackBird SR-71 available here http://perso.orange.fr/GRTux/SR71-BlackBird.tar.gz some snapshot http://perso.orange.fr/GRTux/BlackBird-pic1.jpg http://perso.orange.fr/GRTux/BlackBird-pic2.jpg http://perso.orange.fr/GRTux/BlackBird-pic3.jpg Regards Hi Gerard, the SR-71 model looks as though it has some nice detail in it but I can't see it clearly in the screen shots. I'd suggest adding some 'shininess' to the material (that's what AC3D calls that particular material parameter although to my mind it is more of a specular high-light quality). Also, did you know that the SR-71, despite it's 'Blackbird' moniker is actually a very dark grey-blue in colour? It's tricky doing 'black' 3d computer stuff because nothing is actually 100% black in real life but in a computer simulation, if you use 0 0 0 rgb black you'll get 0 0 0 rgb black and the result will be a silhouette. LeeE - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] groundspeed patches...
Syd, On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 06:50:45PM -0700, syd sandy wrote: Here are the patches to display groundspeed in knots in /velocities... Please let me know if they are can be included in the source Although the plib and osg version of these files are identical , I've created a patch for each in case of line offsets... I'm not to familiar with diffs yet. Thanks for the patch. I am using this prop now in my protocol and it works fine for me! Holger -- # ## ## Holger Wirtz Phone : (+49 30) 884299-40 ## ## ## ### ## DFN-Verein Fax : (+49 30) 884299-70 ## ## ## Stresemannstr. 78E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## ## ## ## ### 10963 Berlin # ## ## ## GERMANY WWW : http://www.dfn.de GPG-Fingerprint: ABFA 1F51 DD8D 503C 85DC 0C51 E961 79E2 6685 9BCF - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] tacan.cxx fix to follow AITanker.cxx
Hi Vivian, On Thursday 14 June 2007 13:39, Vivian Meazza wrote: Durk Sent: 14 June 2007 06:57 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] tacan.cxx fix to follow AITanker.cxx On Wednesday 13 June 2007 23:12, alexis bory wrote: Hi, TACAN has to search the new AI submode 'tanker'. This tiny patch can be applied to both PLIB and OSG. Thanks for committing, Alexis This patch doesn't seem to work here. Has it actually been tested, or perhaps I'm missing something? Yes, I tested it: fgfs --aircraft=a4f --airport=KSFO I needed to make sure to enable the refuelling demo again for the a4f, and it took me a while to set the TACAN frequency. The user interface seems to be a bit peculiar, but once I confirmed the frequency was set correctly, the TACAN lead me straight to the tanker. Just how long are we going on trying to repair this patch? Until it works. I'm having a working TACAN again, and I'm still investigating the contact nodes, The fix for the nasal scripts looks easy enough, and I'm close to finding out what is going on as to why FGAITanker isn't updating yet. Cheers, Durk - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] BlackBird SR-71
On Thu 14 June 2007 13:40, leee wrote: http://perso.orange.fr/GRTux/BlackBird-pic1.jpg http://perso.orange.fr/GRTux/BlackBird-pic2.jpg http://perso.orange.fr/GRTux/BlackBird-pic3.jpg Regards Hi Gerard, the SR-71 model looks as though it has some nice detail in it but I can't see it clearly in the screen shots. I'd suggest adding some 'shininess' to the material (that's what AC3D calls that particular material parameter although to my mind it is more of a specular high-light quality). Also, did you know that the SR-71, despite it's 'Blackbird' moniker is actually a very dark grey-blue in colour? It's tricky doing 'black' 3d computer stuff because nothing is actually 100% black in real life but in a computer simulation, if you use 0 0 0 rgb black you'll get 0 0 0 rgb black and the result will be a silhouette. LeeE Hello Lee, I fully agree with you, because the texture is black the AC is black, i have a lot of work to do, mainly some new textures (that one is 3 years old). In addition to: the main updates will be the addition AAR probe, the engine statoreactor effect, and the chute. and certainly to continue on with the instruments. Regards -- Gérard - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] BlackBird SR-71
On Thursday 14 June 2007 12:01, gh.robin wrote: The first one , is the BlackBird SR-71 available here Looks nice from the pictures, but we're missing a file in CVS; It apparently relies on Aircraft/F-8E/Instruments/Temoin-BasePt.xml Cheers, AJ - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] tacan.cxx fix to follow AITanker.cxx
On Thursday 14 June 2007 13:57, Durk Talsma wrote: Until it works. I'm having a working TACAN again, and I'm still investigating the contact nodes, The fix for the nasal scripts looks easy enough, and I'm close to finding out what is going on as to why FGAITanker isn't updating yet. Okay, the mechanism driving the contact property functionality is working again. I've committed this to CVS/plib. Now, I need to try and fly close to the tanker to see if I can get some fuel. Cheers, Durk - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] tacan.cxx fix to follow AITanker.cxx
Durk Sent: 14 June 2007 12:57 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] tacan.cxx fix to follow AITanker.cxx Hi Vivian, On Thursday 14 June 2007 13:39, Vivian Meazza wrote: Durk Sent: 14 June 2007 06:57 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] tacan.cxx fix to follow AITanker.cxx On Wednesday 13 June 2007 23:12, alexis bory wrote: Hi, TACAN has to search the new AI submode 'tanker'. This tiny patch can be applied to both PLIB and OSG. Thanks for committing, Alexis This patch doesn't seem to work here. Has it actually been tested, or perhaps I'm missing something? Yes, I tested it: fgfs --aircraft=a4f --airport=KSFO I needed to make sure to enable the refuelling demo again for the a4f, and it took me a while to set the TACAN frequency. The user interface seems to be a bit peculiar, but once I confirmed the frequency was set correctly, the TACAN lead me straight to the tanker. Just how long are we going on trying to repair this patch? Until it works. I'm having a working TACAN again, and I'm still investigating the contact nodes, The fix for the nasal scripts looks easy enough, and I'm close to finding out what is going on as to why FGAITanker isn't updating yet. My problem - I only had classtanker/class in my scenario. Not typetanker/type as well. That looks pretty ugly - we only need typecarrier/type although it is a subset of AIShip. V. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] BlackBird SR-71
Martin Spott wrote: Hi Gerard, gh.robin wrote: The first one , is the BlackBird SR-71 available here Heh, what a nice addition ! I took the freedom to comment references to your F-8 from two files in the Instruments section of the SR-71 (you'll see from the CVS changelog). I propose to make generics out of these instruments that are being used in more than one aircraft - not just in the SR-71 but in several other aircraft as well Anyone wanting to fly it may well find this site rather useful: http://www.sr-71.org/ This section in particular: http://www.sr-71.org/blackbird/manual/ -- Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] tacan.cxx fix to follow AITanker.cxx
On Thursday 14 June 2007 14:45, Vivian Meazza wrote: My problem - I only had classtanker/class in my scenario. Not typetanker/type as well. That looks pretty ugly - we only need typecarrier/type although it is a subset of AIShip. V. Okay, Thanks. It looks like I have the contact code also working again, but I'm still struggling with a few details. Should be another hour or so. :-) Cheers, Durk - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] BlackBird SR-71
Hi Gerard, gh.robin wrote: The first one , is the BlackBird SR-71 available here Heh, what a nice addition ! I took the freedom to comment references to your F-8 from two files in the Instruments section of the SR-71 (you'll see from the CVS changelog). I propose to make generics out of these instruments that are being used in more than one aircraft - not just in the SR-71 but in several other aircraft as well Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] For the - Author of Concorde - short Video of problem 1m24s
FlightGear Simulator - Concorde Error sliding Left to right on ice rink Download Link http://files.ww.com/files/34642.html 10 MB DivX. Aerotro Online FlightGear Simulator Tracker Page. http://mpserver04.flightgear.org http://www.flightgear.org- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] tacan.cxx fix to follow AITanker.cxx
Am Donnerstag 14 Juni 2007 14:45 schrieb Vivian Meazza: My problem - I only had classtanker/class in my scenario. Not typetanker/type as well. You had typeaircraft/type. The AI code chooses the class used based on type so I had to change that to use the new FGAITanker class. That looks pretty ugly - we only need typecarrier/type although it is a subset of AIShip. Now (after the pull out of the tanker code) were pretty much in the same situation, so removing classtanker/class is the next locical step when everything works again as expected. I observed that the refueling code seems to rely on classtanker/class, so I didn't want to touch it. Thomas -- PhD Student, Dept. Animal Physiology, HU Berlin Tel +49 30 2093 6173, Fax +49 30 2093 6375 - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] BlackBird SR-71
That's a very well done model. Not that this would surprise me, you've always been one of the most talented modelers. (Which is one of the reasons why I was unhappy about past events. But those are no longer relevant.) * gh.robin -- Thursday 14 June 2007: those who knows my URL http://perso.orange.fr/GRTux/ have noticed a lot of model [...] Here's a problem though: this page says Under no circumstances may these files be sold or uploaded to a payware site. Of course, for us only the license counts. Your statement for the (very nice) Noratlas said We agree to release this aircraft, Noratlas Nord-2502 and family serie 2501, 2504 (was a french air navy aircraft), 2508, under the GPL for inclusion into the FlightGear CVS base package - with all the pros and cons that might result from this. So, was this statement only for the Noratlas, or all contributions by you that you offer under the GPL? But what's with the under no circumstances thing from your homepage then? You know that the GPL explicitly allows selling this stuff? It's, of course, allowed under the GPL to upload it to payware sites, too, as long as they respect the GPL. m. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Fwd: Flight Gear being sold on ebay
See attached forwarded message. Someone is selling FlightGear on ebay. This time there is no mention of our project name, they have changed the name and are calling it Pro Aircraft Flight Simulator. In addition, they are using the same sleazy tactics of selling a digital download, not actual media ... for all I know, they tell their suckers/customers to go download it from our own server after the buyer pays the money. I don't know if we can keep the grass clear of all the weeds here, but I wonder if we have a large volume of people report this fraudulent ad to ebay, if they might do something. Ebay is heavily slanted towards sellers rights, so I think we would need a pretty big ground swell here to get their attention. Perhaps a little question for the seller message wouldn't hurt either ... but I would caution that we need to be professional, honest, and fair in our dealings here. We can't stoop down to this persons level, we can't make unfounded claims, we can't make stupid threats, or it just turns into a WWF match and no one can win. Curt. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Jun 14, 2007 8:30 AM Subject: Flight Gear being sold on ebay Curt, Noticed someone selling what sure looks like Flight Gear on Ebay – not calling it Flight Gear of course…thought you'd be interested, hopefully you can shut the clown down. Here's a link to one of the auctions: http://cgi.ebay.com/PRO-Aircraft-Flight-Sim-Simulator-Bonus-Planes_W0QQitemZ300120813715QQihZ020QQcategoryZ80336QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem If that link doesn't work, it's item# 300120813715 -- Curtis Olson - University of Minnesota - FlightGear Project http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ http://www.flightgear.org Unique text: 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: Flight Gear being sold on ebay
On 6/14/07, Bill Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DId you report this to EBay? They are usually pretty good about resolving issues like this. I reported it myself, but i think if everyone on this list took a minute and also reported it, ebay couldn't simply discount me as some lunatic disgruntled customer with a petty grudge to settle. This is a legitimate GPL abuse that we can unite against. Curt. -- Curtis Olson - University of Minnesota - FlightGear Project http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ http://www.flightgear.org Unique text: 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] BlackBird SR-71
On Thu 14 June 2007 14:52, Martin Spott wrote: Hi Gerard, gh.robin wrote: The first one , is the BlackBird SR-71 available here Heh, what a nice addition ! I took the freedom to comment references to your F-8 from two files in the Instruments section of the SR-71 (you'll see from the CVS changelog). I propose to make generics out of these instruments that are being used in more than one aircraft - not just in the SR-71 but in several other aircraft as well Cheers, Martin. Thanks my apologize for the mistake. The target is to have customised instruments, however i can look at which instruments could be useful for , and committed as generic ones. Regards. -- Gérard - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] BlackBird SR-71
On Thu 14 June 2007 15:43, Melchior FRANZ wrote: That's a very well done model. Not that this would surprise me, you've always been one of the most talented modelers. (Which is one of the reasons why I was unhappy about past events. But those are no longer relevant.) * gh.robin -- Thursday 14 June 2007: those who knows my URL http://perso.orange.fr/GRTux/ have noticed a lot of model [...] Here's a problem though: this page says Under no circumstances may these files be sold or uploaded to a payware site. Of course, for us only the license counts. Your statement for the (very nice) Noratlas said We agree to release this aircraft, Noratlas Nord-2502 and family serie 2501, 2504 (was a french air navy aircraft), 2508, under the GPL for inclusion into the FlightGear CVS base package - with all the pros and cons that might result from this. So, was this statement only for the Noratlas, or all contributions by you that you offer under the GPL? But what's with the under no circumstances thing from your homepage then? You know that the GPL explicitly allows selling this stuff? It's, of course, allowed under the GPL to upload it to payware sites, too, as long as they respect the GPL. m. I don't understand YOUR problem. -- Gérard - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: Flight Gear being sold on ebay
_ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Olson Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 10:02 AM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: Flight Gear being sold on ebay On 6/14/07, Bill Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DId you report this to EBay? They are usually pretty good about resolving issues like this. I reported it myself, but i think if everyone on this list took a minute and also reported it, ebay couldn't simply discount me as some lunatic disgruntled customer with a petty grudge to settle. This is a legitimate GPL abuse that we can unite against. I agree that his actions are slimy, but is this action actually an allowable form of packaging this software. I am not an expert on this matter, by any stretch of the imagination, but if I put FG and all of the available aicraft on a CD and sold the CD for the costs involved in producing and distributing the CD, isn't this allowed? He can claim that his $^.99 or $4.99 is the cost of packaging the pieces together, plus his labor. I reported him anyway. Bill - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: Flight Gear being sold on ebay
On 6/14/07, Bill Galbraith wrote: I agree that his actions are slimy, but is this action actually an allowable form of packaging this software. I am not an expert on this matter, by any stretch of the imagination, but if I put FG and all of the available aicraft on a CD and sold the CD for the costs involved in producing and distributing the CD, isn't this allowed? He can claim that his $^.99 or $4.99 is the cost of packaging the pieces together, plus his labor. I reported him anyway. But he has changed the name of the product and removed all reference to FlightGear in his ad, that has to at least be a copyright infringement??? FlightGear is not public domain where any one can do anything they like with it. Curt. -- Curtis Olson - University of Minnesota - FlightGear Project http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ http://www.flightgear.org Unique text: 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: Flight Gear being sold on ebay
--- Curtis Olson wrote: On 6/14/07, Bill Galbraith wrote: DId you report this to EBay? They are usually pretty good about resolving issues like this. I reported it myself, but i think if everyone on this list took a minute and also reported it, ebay couldn't simply discount me as some lunatic disgruntled customer with a petty grudge to settle. This is a legitimate GPL abuse that we can unite against. Hi Curt, To make writing the email to eBay easier, which conditions of the GPL does it contradict? Section 4 because there is no disclaimer or offer of the source code? Section 10 because they haven't asked for permission? Does it also break copyright by changing the name? Thanks, -Stuart ___ What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer bugfix
On Mittwoch, 13. Juni 2007 16:17, Oliver Schroeder wrote: http://www.o-schroeder.de/fg_server/mp_bugfix.diff I have updated the patch today and integrated the latest patch from pigeon, sent earlier ((Maybe) patch to FG MP from 06.06.2006). The downside is, this version does not compile with plib-1.8.4 (still the official release of plib!). You have to use the current svn version of plib, which should be noted in the requirement list for flightgear. Please commit the patch to cvs. Regards, Oliver - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] BlackBird SR-71
* gh.robin -- Thursday 14 June 2007: On Thu 14 June 2007 15:43, Melchior FRANZ wrote: [http://perso.orange.fr/GRTux/] Here's a problem though: this page says Under no circumstances may these files be sold or uploaded to a payware site. I don't understand YOUR problem. OK, let me explain: This license restriction in big red letters on your page with GPL-licensed aircraft makes very obvious that your interpretation of the GPL doesn't exactly match the FSF's (Free Software Foundation's) interpretation of it. For us and everyone else the latter is binding. And you and the other FlightGear developers should be aware of that, so that we all don't run into surprises later. (You know what I mean.) And it's not really a problem for me personally. m. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] BlackBird SR-71
gh.robin wrote: On Thu 14 June 2007 14:52, Martin Spott wrote: I propose to make generics out of these instruments that are being used in more than one aircraft - not just in the SR-71 but in several other aircraft as well The target is to have customised instruments, however i can look at which instruments could be useful for , and committed as generic ones. Certainly - wherever an instrument is unique to a single aircraft, then it should be handled as such. On the other hand, references to other aircraft clearly show that the instrument is not _that_ unique :-) My proposal does not target only at the Blackbird, instead there are numerous places where aircraft designers link to other aircraft while creating a 'generic' instrument would make much more sense. Last but not least this would make it easier to resolve conflicts when people download a single aircraft that is not part of the base package distribution. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: Flight Gear being sold on ebay
They're not the only ones selling FlighGear on ebay. But others I've seen, while misleading, at least showed graphics including the FlightGear name and logo in the body of their auction. It looks like these guys are also trying to borrow on the name Pro Flight (a maybe dead product from Sierra Online?) to hook the naive. I've tried to battle this kind of thing (people selling freely available DIY plans written by friends of mine) in the past to some small effect. But that was only one person protesting; maybe with enough complainants it might be noticed. The method I used was to bring the message to the fraudster's target audience by offering the same product on ebay using the same keywords, but making it very clear in the body of the auction [1] the true nature of the product (and where one can get it for free) and [2] the true nature of the fraudulent auctions. I think the scenery DVDs that are available at the FlightGear web site might be a good product to pitch in this case. I found this method to work, but with a serious drawback: it takes a longterm commitment by the person(s) hawking the official auctions to remain effective. Perhaps just one official auction per month would suffice. Curtis Olson wrote: See attached forwarded message. Someone is selling FlightGear on ebay. This time there is no mention of our project name, they have changed the name and are calling it Pro Aircraft Flight Simulator. In addition, they are using the same sleazy tactics of selling a digital download, not actual media ... for all I know, they tell their suckers/customers to go download it from our own server after the buyer pays the money. I don't know if we can keep the grass clear of all the weeds here, but I wonder if we have a large volume of people report this fraudulent ad to ebay, if they might do something. Ebay is heavily slanted towards sellers rights, so I think we would need a pretty big ground swell here to get their attention. Perhaps a little question for the seller message wouldn't hurt either ... but I would caution that we need to be professional, honest, and fair in our dealings here. We can't stoop down to this persons level, we can't make unfounded claims, we can't make stupid threats, or it just turns into a WWF match and no one can win. Curt. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Jun 14, 2007 8:30 AM Subject: Flight Gear being sold on ebay Curt, Noticed someone selling what sure looks like Flight Gear on Ebay – not calling it Flight Gear of course…thought you'd be interested, hopefully you can shut the clown down. Here's a link to one of the auctions: http://cgi.ebay.com/PRO-Aircraft-Flight-Sim-Simulator-Bonus-Planes_W0QQitemZ300120813715QQihZ020QQcategoryZ80336QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem If that link doesn't work, it's item# 300120813715 -- Curtis Olson - University of Minnesota - FlightGear Project http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ http://www.flightgear.org Unique text: 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Reagan Thomas CEAT Labs 323 Engineering North Oklahoma State University (405) 744-5735 - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: Flight Gear being sold on ebay
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bill Galbraith wrote: I agree that his actions are slimy, but is this action actually an allowable form of packaging this software. I am not an expert on this matter, by any stretch of the imagination, but if I put FG and all of the available aicraft on a CD and sold the CD for the costs involved in producing and distributing the CD, isn't this allowed? He can claim that his $^.99 or $4.99 is the cost of packaging the pieces together, plus his labor. He may even sell such a CD for $9 if he likes, as long as he grants GPL's rights to his customers, so they have the freedom to modify, redistribute, ... I see two problems with this ebay-offer: 1. he uses screenshots from the FG-page which are copyrighted. But I don't know if they are available under for example GPL or some creative commons license that allows such usage. 2. his usage of FG's downloadserver. IIRC such deep-linking is not legal if not allowed by the owner. Nine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGcVCz1QuEJQQMVrgRAoA5AJ4kss+xAQ5I6+ZTUaQ325kUmP1ZggCfZiAT 5YAahHzak0YzR9zbJzYqT5Q= =Dbvs -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: Flight Gear being sold on ebay
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Curtis Olson wrote: On 6/14/07, Bill Galbraith wrote: But he has changed the name of the product and removed all reference to FlightGear in his ad, that has to at least be a copyright infringement??? FlightGear is not public domain where any one can do anything they like with it. If he grants GPL to his customers (and the license information in the downloaded package certainly states this) this should be no problem at all. GPL does not require a certain name to be used. Debian for example renamed Mozilla Firefox to Iceweasel to avoid trade mark problems. Nine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGcVFe1QuEJQQMVrgRAhkPAJ9f50eNXblc1f38XADpL7KgTJjycgCfVsfJ 0LILTvkoWNOQzsmZ6TghOlg= =qs4c -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] BlackBird SR-71
Stefan Seifert wrote: His problem is, that the models are described as being GPL-licensed, but the website states, that it's forbidden to sell these files or upload them to a paysite, which would be allowed by the GPL. Well, Gerard has been posting the single link to the Blackbird on this list and he included the standard GPL COPYING file with the aircraft. After being a bit pedantic on this topic earlier this month I'm convinced we managed to resolve the given issue, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear at the 25th Falklands/Malvinas
Stuart Buchanan wrote: I'm going to be there running FlightGear with some short interactive scenarios for the visitors. We're hoping to have two digital projectors running, so it should look pretty good. While I have, well, mixed feelings about the Falkland conflict I'm happy to hear that you're going to show FlightGear and I wish you good luck in doing so. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: Flight Gear being sold on ebay
See attached forwarded message. Someone is selling FlightGear on ebay. This time there is no mention of our project name, they have changed the name and are calling it Pro Aircraft Flight Simulator. In addition, they are using the same sleazy tactics of selling a digital download, not actual media ... for all I know, they tell their suckers/customers to go download it from our own server after the buyer pays the money. Did we come to any concensus last time we discussed this? Seems to me that changing the name is a big no-no. Also, I seem to recall something in the license that says that people have to be informed about where they can download the code/software ... ? No? I don't have a problem with someone packaging up the software nicely and adding a printed manual or whatever and selling that, when nothing is hidden from the buyer. But this - once again - seems like a shady attempt to extract money from the unwary or uninformed. Jon - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer bugfix
Hi Curt, Curtis Olson wrote: Is there any way this patch can be reworked so it is functional with plib-1.8.4? It takes plib-1.8.4 just a few days to become two and a half years old and Steve apparently is not inclined to do _anything_ in order to issue yet another release. I really doubt that it makes sense to stick to such an old piece of software. It might be much easier to take the current state of development and create some sort of Flightgear/PLIB release. Note that OSG svn dependency is a special case ... it's not something that I'm happy about, but OSG seems to be making releases a lot more often than plib. the next major OSG release probably to happen this week, at elast soon, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear at the 25th Falklands/Malvinas
--- Martin Spott wrote: Stuart Buchanan wrote: I'm going to be there running FlightGear with some short interactive scenarios for the visitors. We're hoping to have two digital projectors running, so it should look pretty good. While I have, well, mixed feelings about the Falkland conflict I'm happy to hear that you're going to show FlightGear and I wish you good luck in doing so. Thank you. I certainly don't think it was necessary, and represented political failings on both sides. The emphasis of the anniversary will be on the damage that the conflict caused, rather than military triumphalism. For example, one of the displays the museum are putting up is related to the landmines that were used and still blight the islands. The museum has one of the Vulcan bombers used in the conflict, which landed at the museum in 1984 after being retired. The museum is a historic military airfield. The end of one WWII runway is the microlight airfield I am based at (EG32). One of the scenario's we'll be running will involve trying to land the Vulcan at the museum, for which I used Terragear to re-create as it looked around WWII. The runway looks a lot smaller when you're trying to land a 4 engined bomber with a 110ft wing-span and a cockpit 30ft above the wheels instead of a microlight! I'm going to have some print-outs with the FlightGear URL and some information about FG, so I'm hoping it will reach a new audience. -Stuart ___ Inbox full of unwanted email? Get leading protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: Flight Gear being sold on ebay
Hi! Even though I don't like the kind of behaviour the seller is exhibiting, from the article page alone I cannot see any legal problem regarding the GPL. Changing the name is legitimate in general as the GPL IIRC does not require the distributor to credit the original authors with anything else than not removing copyright messages and similar. I also don't see why the seller should be forced to disclose the location of the source code or to add the note that source code will be provided on demand or to provide the source code at all _before_ distributing, i.e. selling in this case, the package. As long as nobody makes a test buy and finds that such an offer is not included, we also cannot conclude on whether the seller violates the terms of the GPL afterwards. There's only two of the things mentioned, that remain unclear, which is the thing about the snapshot copyright/license and the question about the deep link for the download. The question about the latter is: Would it be illegal if someone put a link on their homepage pointing to the download region on the FlightGear servers? I don't think so. If that wouldn't be illegal, what would change when someone would be taking money for the hint to the page? For the screenshots we would need to check the FlightGear homepage for any mention of a license for the material found on it. If there is none, the seller has no license for that at least. So this ebay-issue is probably one of the disadvantages of the GPL, but the project is stuck with it. Just my 2ct. Cheers, Ralf - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] patch for control locking by autopilot
Hello friends: My name is Eduardo García-Mádico Portabella and I am from Spain, so English is not my native Language. I posted some months ago an email because my yoke made interferences with autopilot because its lack of force feedback. You may remember that I exposed the problem that, as in a real plane autopilot moves the yoke, a joystick without force feedback remains in central position while the ap is enabled. Then, when autopilot starts controlling the virtual yoke, it produces the quickly alternation of the virtual yoke with the position of the real joke/joystick of the computer. This problem makes the autopilot less realistic and it looses precision. I have made some changes to the code that provides the autopilot the ability to get total control of the axis when it is enabled, so when you move the joystick with the autopilot enabled, the virtual yoke in the plain does not obey the joystick movement. I do not program too much, and I almost never program in C++, so the code quality may be horrible, but this patch works for me. These things probably can be done better and I wish a better code. If anyone does it in a better way I would be very grateful. The diffs are at http://www.eurogaran.com/fgfs/fgfs_ap_joy_locking.diff and http://www.eurogaran.com/fgfs/kap140_locking_controls_capable.diff If it could be added to the oficial code I would apreciate it very much. There are two patches, first for the fgfs tree and changes controls.cxx and input.cxx, and the other for the kap140.nas for making it capable of locking. Both patches are for FlightGear-0.9.11-pre1 (sorry, I had problems with cvs version, so I tested it here). I created locking properties for all the controls in controls.cxx. I did that because I think the better autopilot you could do is the one that does not need a pilot. It will permit people adding these functionality to other more advanced autopilots. For adding this functionality to other autopilots than the kap140, see the nas code. It's easy because it's integrated in the property tree. Thanks in advance. -- Woodyst. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] BlackBird SR-71
Hi Gérard, On Thursday 14 June 2007 12:01:25 gh.robin wrote: Hello, everybody those who knows my URL http://perso.orange.fr/GRTux/ have noticed a lot of model, which are not longer available. I made these Aircraft some years ago , they where flying with FG 0.9.8. They were built mainly to answer some friends request. I am going to make these aircraft to be GPL, and FG 0.9.11 and FG OSG cvs flyable. They will be delivered i hpe during the next 4 months. The first one , is the BlackBird SR-71 available here http://perso.orange.fr/GRTux/SR71-BlackBird.tar.gz Using OSG cvs version, updated yesterday. I got from CVS - great model, but I seem to have an issue. After taking off, I can fly with full throttle and slowly climb - but if I knock back throttle I seem to loose everything, and the aircraft just slows down and gently drops to earth in the horizontal postion (i.e. it doesn't crash, just floats down like a feather). I see this in the console: Trim Failed Trim Results: Angle of Attack: 7.50 wdot: 3.21e+01 Tolerance: 1e-03 Failed Throttle: 0.50 udot: 3.05e+00 Tolerance: 1e-03 Failed Pitch Trim: 0.00 qdot: 4.37e-03 Tolerance: 1e-04 Failed Failed to get Mach number for given Vc and altitude, Vc unchanged. Please mail the set of initial conditions used to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Model Author: Author Name Creation Date: 2005-24-06 Version: 0.1 Description: Models a SR-71 Failed to get Mach number for given Vc and altitude, Vc unchanged. Please mail the set of initial conditions used to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Nick - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] BlackBird SR-71
On Thu 14 June 2007 19:37, Nick Warne wrote: Hi Gérard, On Thursday 14 June 2007 12:01:25 gh.robin wrote: Hello, everybody those who knows my URL http://perso.orange.fr/GRTux/ have noticed a lot of model, which are not longer available. I made these Aircraft some years ago , they where flying with FG 0.9.8. They were built mainly to answer some friends request. I am going to make these aircraft to be GPL, and FG 0.9.11 and FG OSG cvs flyable. They will be delivered i hpe during the next 4 months. The first one , is the BlackBird SR-71 available here http://perso.orange.fr/GRTux/SR71-BlackBird.tar.gz Using OSG cvs version, updated yesterday. I got from CVS - great model, but I seem to have an issue. After taking off, I can fly with full throttle and slowly climb - but if I knock back throttle I seem to loose everything, and the aircraft just slows down and gently drops to earth in the horizontal postion (i.e. it doesn't crash, just floats down like a feather). I see this in the console: Trim Failed Trim Results: Angle of Attack: 7.50 wdot: 3.21e+01 Tolerance: 1e-03 Failed Throttle: 0.50 udot: 3.05e+00 Tolerance: 1e-03 Failed Pitch Trim: 0.00 qdot: 4.37e-03 Tolerance: 1e-04 Failed Failed to get Mach number for given Vc and altitude, Vc unchanged. Please mail the set of initial conditions used to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Model Author: Author Name Creation Date: 2005-24-06 Version: 0.1 Description: Models a SR-71 Failed to get Mach number for given Vc and altitude, Vc unchanged. Please mail the set of initial conditions used to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Nick Nick, Yes i noticed that problem, with that FDM the power after take off (i tested it on a low altitude KSFO) at 2 deg pitch must not be less than 80% of rpm and must be less than 300 kts. Only full throttle and from 15 to 20 deg pitch gives the right power to get altitude, 1 ft and more. I don't mean that is right, i only mean we have a lot of work to do before to get the right FDM. Thanks for your feed back. -- Gérard - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] BlackBird SR-71
Okay, now someone needs to refuel behind it. I understand the tanker is firewalled, and the SR-71 is on the verge of stalling. Bill - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] BlackBird SR-71
On Thu 14 June 2007 20:59, Bill Galbraith wrote: Okay, now someone needs to refuel behind it. I understand the tanker is firewalled, and the SR-71 is on the verge of stalling. Bill Bill, Yes, you just put the finger where the pain is the most important -- Gérard - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] EAA Oshkosh
All, The EAA fly-in at Oshkosh is the last week of July. Is anyone doing anything FlightGear related at EAA Oshkosh this year? Last year I noticed a few vendors were using FlightGear. Mostly to demostate flight simulator hardware. Robin's latest airport data file has an imporved Oshkosh airport, KOSH. It would be nice if some kind person would build new scenery for Oshkosh and make it availble. I know it's a big request. Later,Paul B - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Slew problem with Concorde and other JSBsim aircraft nearly solved
I spent a few hours today trying determine what was causing the Concorde model to slew around on the ground in an erratic way as reported previously by Aerotro. I believe I have gotten very near to the root of the problem. First some info: 1. Aerotro noticed this problem when she began using the Win32 plib build fgfs-plib-win32-20070528.zip obtained from ftp://ftp.ihg.uni-duisburg.de/FlightGear/Win32/ 2. This morning I made a fresh Win32 OSG build from CVS head and was able to reproduce the problem on the B707, Concorde, E3B and KC135. The problem did *not* occur with the 747-100, so I compared its FDM to that of the Concorde and others. I discovered that the 747 has a pointmass definition in the mass_balance block that the problematic craft do not. I verified that by removing the pointmass definition, the 747 starts skipping and sliding too. I further verified that by adding a pointmass to the Concorde FDM as below it stopped misbehaving: pointmass name=name weight unit=LBS 1 /weight location name=POINTMASS unit=IN x 1455 /x y 0 /y z -39 /z /location /pointmass I set the weight to 1 Lb to verify that the actually amount of mass had no direct bearing on the base problem. -- Reagan Thomas 323 Engineering North Oklahoma State University - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] EAA Oshkosh
Hi Paul, Bohnert Paul wrote: Last year I noticed a few vendors were using FlightGear. Mostly to demostate flight simulator hardware. It would be great to get some case-stories from such use of FlightGear, stories preferrably with one or two nice pictures that we could present on the FlightGear web page. It would be nice if some kind person would build new scenery for Oshkosh and make it availble. I know it's a big request. Well, to get an idea you could start by reading this tutorial: http://www.custom-scenery.org/Building-Scener.331.0.html especially the part Creating the vector training layer. The steps described there are something that people with knowledge of the local entourage could contribute for building local scenery. Regards, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Slew problem with Concorde and other JSBsim aircraft nearly solved
Reagan Thomas wrote: I spent a few hours today trying determine what was causing the Concorde model to slew around on the ground in an erratic way as reported previously by Aerotro. I believe I have gotten very near to the root of the problem. First some info: 1. Aerotro noticed this problem when she began using the Win32 plib build fgfs-plib-win32-20070528.zip obtained from ftp://ftp.ihg.uni-duisburg.de/FlightGear/Win32/ 2. This morning I made a fresh Win32 OSG build from CVS head and was able to reproduce the problem on the B707, Concorde, E3B and KC135. The problem did *not* occur with the 747-100, so I compared its FDM to that of the Concorde and others. I discovered that the 747 has a pointmass definition in the mass_balance block that the problematic craft do not. I verified that by removing the pointmass definition, the 747 starts skipping and sliding too. I further verified that by adding a pointmass to the Concorde FDM as below it stopped misbehaving: pointmass name=name weight unit=LBS 1 /weight location name=POINTMASS unit=IN x 1455 /x y 0 /y z -39 /z /location /pointmass I set the weight to 1 Lb to verify that the actually amount of mass had no direct bearing on the base problem. From discussions in IRC, this appears to be a Windows-only problem. Vivian, also on Windows and using the same compiler and nearly same VC8 project files (derived from Olaf's files found here: http://www.oflebbe.de/oflebbe/FlightGear/index.html), has not been able reproduce this problem. The Linux users report no such problems. I invite any interested Windows users to try one of the recent Win32 builds from the ftp site mentioned above... if only to prove that I am or am not insane ;) -- Reagan Thomas - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Bugs to Concorde
A great BIG Thank You to RAThomas, :o) The sliding issue in Concorde appears to have been fixed, I am currently doing a test flight and their do seem to be some anomolies or perhaps unrelated instability's? Observations and comparisons: Stability During cruising at 51,200 feet the fuel pumping seems to be erratic (It froze for a while in #6), the fuel in tank number 6 was not being pumped to tanks 1 2 this causing a balance problem, however unselecting cross bleed tanks balance and re-selecting it corrects it? very strange never seen this before! Some instruments on the second (P) panel display seem to be giving wrong readings, slightly higher than usual! ? The earlier bug with the control Ailerons and pitching is still buggy and causes stalls or dives, so this is another issue unrelated to the nice fix that RAThomas found, for the sliding issue :o) Their is slightly more banking (Rocking Motion) between wing tips at supersonic flight than is usual ! Regards - Aerotro Online FlightGear Simulator Tracker Page. http://mpserver04.flightgear.org http://www.flightgear.org- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Bugs to Concorde
Forums Virgin Net wrote: *A great BIG Thank You* *to RAThomas, :o)* The sliding issue in Concorde appears to have been fixed, Thanks for the vote of confidence, but let me be clear that I don't consider it to be fully fixed. Yes, we have found something which seems to correct the gross misbehavior, but I'm uncomfortable with some aspects of this fix. The fact that no Linux users have yet reproduced the problem and 1 out of 3 reporting Windows users have not been able to so indicates at least another level of problem. My take: We could be looking at a source level problem that is somehow covered for or not by the compiler depending on its characteristics and settings. AndersG suggested It might be some kind of missing variable initialization. Or we may have a similar issue which is only related to the compiler and/or its settings, not the source code. If the latter, we should find and fix it so we can be confident that Windows users won't be affected after the coming release. If the former, it could be something that may appear dormant but with some small perturbation could wreak havok again. -- Reagan Thomas - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] BlackBird SR-71
I don't mean that is right, i only mean we have a lot of work to do before to get the right FDM. Thanks for your feed back. -- Gérard Bingo. SR-71 technical data for simulation: http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20020057965_2002092400. pdf http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19800017829_1980017829. pdf http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19980217098_1998361052. pdf http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/2064011_287962. pdf http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19780004157_1978004157. pdf http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19780013217_1978013217. pdf http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19860021266_1986021266. pdf http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19970026105_1997043536. pdf http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/2052206_270615. pdf SR-71 images at Dryden Flight Research Center: http://www1.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/SR-71/ This ought to keep you busy for the next two years. :-) Jon -- Jon S. Berndt Development Coordinator JSBSim Project www.JSBSim.org attachment: winmail.dat- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
