Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Dave Martin
On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 20:10, David Megginson wrote: > On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:06:13 +, Dave Martin > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is there any way to get a compensated 'TAS' output to drive the ASI > > because I *think* the B1900D's ASI is compensated (but I must check) > > I'd be pretty i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Lee Elliott
On Thursday 20 January 2005 19:47, Jim Wilson wrote: > David Luff said: > > On 20/01/2005 at 10:55 Jon Berndt wrote: > > >> Ok wrong word. Let me just say that it seems to lack > > >> some magic. > > > > > >Setting up > > > > > >> the p51d in Yasim was not my original intention as Jon S. > > >> Be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread David Megginson
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:06:13 +, Dave Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there any way to get a compensated 'TAS' output to drive the ASI because I > *think* the B1900D's ASI is compensated (but I must check) I'd be pretty incredibly surprised to see an ASI doing that. Some ASIs do have a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Dave Martin
On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 19:47, Jim Wilson wrote: > We'd be a lot further or at least I'd have accomplished more along the > lines of 3D modeling and enhancing animation/rendering code if I hadn't > spent so much time working on something I know hardly anything about > (flight modeling). This isn't

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Dave Martin
On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 19:45, Curtis L. Olson wrote: > Dave Martin wrote: > >Aha! My mistake - it appears that the ASI in the b1900d is not pressure > >compensated. According to the GPS, the aircraft is achieving its expected > > GS of 270kts. > > > >Am I understanding that correctly? > > Yes,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Paul Surgeon
On Thursday, 20 January 2005 03:57, David Megginson wrote: > You know, after reading some of the other comments, I'm starting to > like the idea of having just the c172p in the base package. You should try helping clueless windows users to install scenery files in the IRC channel sometime. A lot

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Jim Wilson
David Luff said: > > On 20/01/2005 at 10:55 Jon Berndt wrote: > > >> Ok wrong word. Let me just say that it seems to lack some magic. > >Setting up > >> the p51d in Yasim was not my original intention as Jon S. Berdnt was > >claiming > >> at the time I started the 3D that he had a nearly worki

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Dave Martin wrote: Aha! My mistake - it appears that the ASI in the b1900d is not pressure compensated. According to the GPS, the aircraft is achieving its expected GS of 270kts. Am I understanding that correctly? Yes, you have to input true airspeed into the cruise section, not indicate

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Lee Elliott
On Thursday 20 January 2005 16:45, Jim Wilson wrote: > Dave Martin said: > > On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 16:13, Jim Wilson wrote: > > > Dave Martin said: > > > > On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 14:42, Jim Wilson wrote: > > > > getting an aircraft working > > > > > > > > > is about 2 parts theory and 1 part vo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Dave Martin
On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 18:01, Dave Martin wrote: > On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 17:37, Jim Wilson wrote: > > Yes, I'm aware of the theory behind fixing these issues, but from the > > beginning I was compensating for them and getting reasonable thrust > > numbers (I think you are thinking of Vivian wit

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Dave Martin
On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 17:37, Jim Wilson wrote: > Yes, I'm aware of the theory behind fixing these issues, but from the > beginning I was compensating for them and getting reasonable thrust numbers > (I think you are thinking of Vivian with the spitfire). On the last round > Andy made some code

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread David Luff
On 20/01/2005 at 10:55 Jon Berndt wrote: >> Ok wrong word. Let me just say that it seems to lack some magic. >Setting up >> the p51d in Yasim was not my original intention as Jon S. Berdnt was >claiming >> at the time I started the 3D that he had a nearly working JSBSim model. > > ... which I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Jim Wilson
"Curtis L. Olson" said: > > > >The biggest tradeoffs seemed to be in trying to balance high end performance, > >(e.g. altitude, speed) against having enough drag to get reasonable behavior > >at lower power settings. It seems pretty common for yasim models to glide > >too > >much (excessive lift

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread David Megginson
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:42:40 -, Jim Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Probably I've got this wrong, but isn't the c-172 our most refined/realistic > flightmodel? My impression of yasim, from using it for the p51d, but not as > an aero engineer, is that getting an aircraft working is about

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jim Wilson wrote: Dave Martin said: On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 16:13, Jim Wilson wrote: Dave Martin said: On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 14:42, Jim Wilson wrote: getting an aircraft working is about 2 parts theory and 1 part voodoo (the part that the basic formulas don't cover).

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Jon Berndt
> Ok wrong word. Let me just say that it seems to lack some magic. Setting up > the p51d in Yasim was not my original intention as Jon S. Berdnt was claiming > at the time I started the 3D that he had a nearly working JSBSim model. ... which I did. I thought. The more I looked at the numbers fo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Jim Wilson
Dave Martin said: > On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 16:13, Jim Wilson wrote: > > Dave Martin said: > > > On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 14:42, Jim Wilson wrote: > > > getting an aircraft working > > > > > > > is about 2 parts theory and 1 part voodoo (the part that the basic > > > > formulas don't cover). > > >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Dave Martin
On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 16:13, Jim Wilson wrote: > Dave Martin said: > > On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 14:42, Jim Wilson wrote: > > getting an aircraft working > > > > > is about 2 parts theory and 1 part voodoo (the part that the basic > > > formulas don't cover). > > > > "Any sufficiently advanced tec

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Jim Wilson
Dave Martin said: > On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 14:42, Jim Wilson wrote: > getting an aircraft working > > is about 2 parts theory and 1 part voodoo (the part that the basic formulas > > don't cover). > > > > "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" - Sir > Arthur C Cl

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Dave Martin
On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 14:42, Jim Wilson wrote: getting an aircraft working > is about 2 parts theory and 1 part voodoo (the part that the basic formulas > don't cover). > > Best, > > Jim "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" - Sir Arthur C Clarke. Dave Martin

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson said: > On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:38:49 -0600, Curtis L. Olson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I would tend to agree with you with one exception. The default C-172 is > > very functional, but it is not our best model. A nice thing about > > including multiple aircraft is you can

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread David Megginson
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:38:49 -0600, Curtis L. Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would tend to agree with you with one exception. The default C-172 is > very functional, but it is not our best model. A nice thing about > including multiple aircraft is you can see some different nice things > t

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson wrote: You know, after reading some of the other comments, I'm starting to like the idea of having just the c172p in the base package. In combination with this change, I'd like us to start thinking about changing the starting airport to Palo Alto (KPAO) rather than KSFO. It's more

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread Chris Metzler
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:57:13 -0500 David Megginson wrote: > > In combination with this change, I'd like us to start thinking about > changing the starting airport to Palo Alto (KPAO) rather than KSFO. > It's more in proportion with the C-172, and with a few buildings, > etc., we could have it look

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread Dave Martin
On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 01:57, David Megginson wrote: > In combination with this change, I'd like us to start thinking about > changing the starting airport to Palo Alto (KPAO) rather than KSFO. > It's more in proportion with the C-172, and with a few buildings, > etc., we could have it looking qu

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread David Megginson
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:53:33 -0500, Josh Babcock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd like to see a golden age or WWII multi engine, but I guess the DC3 isn't > ready for prime time yet. I'm also *cough* working on a B29, but I haven't > touched it in months. I was in the middle of getting a Yasim c

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread Josh Babcock
Curtis L. Olson wrote: I know we can debate this endlessly so I hesitate to even bring this up, but are there any particular aircraft that absolutely, positively, must be in the base package. Now that we have a separate aircraft download page, there's no need to include every aircraft in the ba

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread Vivian Meazza
Chris Metzler wrote: > > p51d - A classic WWII fighter ... also well done. Full 3d cockpit. > > Just out of curiosity, what remains to be done with the Spitfire? If > it's in production, are there any reasons to favor it over the P-51, > or vice versa? > Nothing major remains to be done, alt

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread Chris Metzler
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:57:48 -0600 Curtis L. Olson wrote: > > 737 - large commercial jet. Reasonably well done. Flies pretty well. > Nice 2d panel with some simple glass elements. I like the 737 -- I've probably spent as much time with it as I have with the c172. I'm sure it's giving me bad hab

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread Martin Spott
"Jim Wilson" wrote: > [...] It would be very nice to have a civilian c310 (maybe > we should just repaint the u3a and call it a c310b?). To my knowledge there _is_ a civilian C310, at least there used to be one - no idea if it's still present, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just sel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread David Megginson
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:07:22 -, Jim Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also I think I would have considered cutting the c310, even though it > is the only light twin. The u3a cockpit was my very first 3D project and it > really isn't too spiffy. It would be very nice to have a civilian c310

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread Jim Wilson
"Curtis L. Olson" said: > I know we can debate this endlessly so I hesitate to even bring this up, > but are there any particular aircraft that absolutely, positively, must > be in the base package. Now that we have a separate aircraft download > page, there's no need to include every aircraft

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread Martin Spott
David Megginson wrote: > I just realized that the list didn't include any helicopter. Quoting Curt: > > bo105 - I could say a lot of nice things, but why bother, it's our > > only helicopter so it has to be included anyway. Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread Erik Hofman
David Megginson wrote: I just realized that the list didn't include any helicopter. Good point. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c496

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread David Megginson
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:02:20 +0100, Erik Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now that we have an aircraft download page I think that should be all > that gets included. I just realized that the list didn't include any helicopter. All the best, David -- http://www.megginson.com/ ___

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread Erik Hofman
David Megginson wrote: On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:57:48 -0600, Curtis L. Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: c172, c172-le, c172p, c172r, c172x - I don't have the energy to sort out the dependencies so throw it all in. We should try to sort them out and include just the C172p by default -- in any case,

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-18 Thread Jon Berndt
> > c172, c172-le, c172p, c172r, c172x - I don't have the energy to sort > > out the dependencies so throw it all in. The C-172X is purely a development model It should definitely NOT be released. Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-deve

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-18 Thread David Megginson
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:57:48 -0600, Curtis L. Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > c172, c172-le, c172p, c172r, c172x - I don't have the energy to sort out > the dependencies so throw it all in. We should try to sort them out and include just the C172p by default -- in any case, you should be able