Re: [Fonts]Fcpackage release candidate 1

2002-08-12 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
KP> eliminate per-file syscalls when the cache file is up-to-date. Could you explain what exactly you're trying to avoid and how you achieve that? Juliusz ___ Fonts mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.O

Re: [Fonts]FreeType 2 backend for the masses

2002-06-29 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
JP> [...] either the instructions or the sources should be adapted. I was only checking if anyone's paying attention ;-) Nice to see you back, Joerg. Juliusz ___ Fonts mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree

Re: Xft and MathML [Was: [Fonts]Xft for OpenGL]

2002-06-25 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
MK> These bracket components will hopefully *NOT* be missunderstood by MK> the maths layout community as the proper way to typeset MK> mathematical formulas. (*a feeling of horror crawls down my spine MK> just from the thought*) While I agree with you that such components have nothing to do in a

Re: [Fonts] Fonts & Resolution

2002-06-24 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
AB> Thinking about it, if X allows you to set an arbitrary AB> resolution (whether by choice or because your monitor tells AB> X that it can do 101 DPI), is it safe to assume that X will AB> correctly scale vector fonts accordingly? It's done at the toolkit level. The X server merely passes back

Re: [Fonts]FreeType 2 backend for the masses

2002-06-24 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
YS> The new patch fixed all the problems I mentioned, Thanks! Great, thanks for the report. Juliusz ___ Fonts mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/fonts

Re: [Fonts]FreeType 2 backend submitted for inclusion in CVS

2002-06-21 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
YS> http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/redhat/redhat-7.3-en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/ttfonts-zh_CN-2.11-21.noarch.rpm I'm getting connection timeouts. Any other site? I've tested with the Arphic fonts, and cannot see any problem. If you still see issues with the latest version (with the -c- patch), p

Re: [Fonts]Fix -c- spacing in FreeType 2 backend

2002-06-21 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
>> P.S. Anybody got clean code to do a 1bpp unaligned blit? KP> There are plenty of examples in the fb code; do you need something more KP> targeted? Yep. If you look at my previous patch, you'll find the code that I've appended to this message. It has two bitmaps, both of which are 1bpp MSBF

[Fonts]FreeType 2 backend for the masses

2002-06-20 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
The FreeType 2 backend and the latest version of mkfontscale are available from http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/files/ Everybody can change his mind. The files are: xfree86-freetype-2.1.1.patch : imports FreeType 2.1.1 into XFree86; xfree86-freetype2-20020620.tar.gz : latest Fre

Re: [Fonts]Sharing fonts between X server and Xft

2002-06-20 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
KP> fontenc uses the old static configuration model from the core system, KP> fixing fontenc would be a bunch of work. Er... That's libfont, not fontenc. The only configuration that fontenc requires is the presence of the global font encodings directory (lib/X11/fonts/encodings/encodings.dir).

[Fonts]Fix -c- spacing in FreeType 2 backend

2002-06-20 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Would you be so kind as to test the attached? (Not submitted, waiting for confirmation that it actually works.) Thanks, Juliusz P.S. Anybody got clean code to do a 1bpp unaligned blit? *** /tmp/xc/lib/font/FreeType/ftfuncs.c Sat Jun 8 20:03:07 2002 -

[Fonts]FreeType 2 backend submitted for inclusion in CVS

2002-06-18 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Dear all, I've just submitted the latest version of the FreeType 2 backend and the latest mkfontscale for inclusion into CVS. For XFree86 members, they're available as patches 5305 through 5308; they are no longer available from my web page. Many thanks to all who helped with development and te

[Fonts]New version of FreeType 2 backend

2002-06-12 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Dear all, A new version of the FreeType 2 backend is available on http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/files/xfree86-freetype-20020612.tar.gz This version will build against an unpatched tree of FreeType 2, but it absolutely requires FreeType 2.1.1. Note that you do not need to have it in

Re: [Fonts]ft2 backend pixelsize vs bitmap pixelsize

2002-06-12 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
JC> In doing so, I discovered that fixed, aka: JC> -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1 JC> has an ASCENT of 11 and DESCENT of 2 (totalling 13), whereas JC> -b&h-Luxi Mono-medium-r-normal--[9.75 0 0 13]-0-75-75-m-0-iso8859-1 JC> while intended to match those

Re: [Fonts][OpenType] Hinting question

2002-06-10 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
KP> I was unaware that any foundrys were spending the time and money to build KP> fonts in this fashion any more. It would be nice... I think you can still get digital fonts rasterised from different masters. Adobe, for example, sell Times in both the 12 pt (that's the one in your printer) and

[Fonts]Patch 5289 is broken (ciach fontscale)

2002-06-10 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Patch 5289 is broken for two distinct reasons. Please don't apply it. First, it breaks all scalable fonts. The fix is to make the ``:unscaled'' hack only apply to non-scalable entries (attached purely for your information -- I don't suggest committing anything in the current state of the beast)

Re: [Fonts]Need of External linkable Character Code Transcoding library ?

2002-06-07 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
>> Unfortunately, iconv is not equally supported on all platforms; which >> is why a multi-platform project such as XFree86 needs to roll its own. BH> Juliusz, you know that GNU libiconv is portable to any system that BH> runs X applications. Sorry, you're right. BH> The real reason why iconv i

Re: [Fonts]xfd

2002-06-07 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
SD> Does xfd have to be Xlib aware of the new encoding No. Xfd is encoding-agnostic. What format is the font in and are you using Sun's X server? Xsun does weird things with scalable fonts, and I'm not sure that this list is the right place to ask about Xsun.

Re: [Fonts]Need of External linkable Character Code Transcoding library ?

2002-06-07 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
TK> How about making a single, multiplatform and program independant TK> library, that can deliver those functionnailities to our programs? It exists and is standardised. See iconv(3). Unfortunately, iconv is not equally supported on all platforms; which is why a multi-platform project such as

Re: [Fonts]Re: Saving memory in fontconfig

2002-06-04 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
KP> This shows sub-linear growth in memory vs the number of fonts; I KP> need to try even larger sets to get a better sense of the actual KP> function here. Should I take this as meaning that the bitmaps dominate over the bureaucratic overhead, right? If so, could you try with 128-codepoint page

[Fonts]Disable font scaling and make Keith happy too [patch]

2002-06-02 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Hello, Following the objections to my previous patch, here's a version that sports three build-time and two runtime mechanisms for configuring the bitmap scaling code in or out. Say wow. By default, bitmap scaling is compiled in; naked FPEs do not scale bitmaps, the ``:scaled'' attribute can be

[Fonts]Ciach bitscale! [patch]

2002-06-02 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Hello, The attached patch is supposed to remove the bitmap scaler from XFree86. It has only been tested with KDrive, not with the XFree86 server. I'm fairly confident it doesn't break XFree86, but I wouldn't be surprised if it broke Xprt. (Not that anybody cares.) I'll be glad to receive feed

Re: [Fonts]Ciach bitscale! [2nd attempt]

2002-05-31 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
KP> I suspect we need to make the bitmap scaler optional; allow either KP> :scaled or :unscaled options on the font path elements and make KP> the default :unscaled. Keith, I hate you. Okay, I'll do that. KP> I'd like to have a build-time option to get rid of the code for kdrive KP> servers,

[Fonts]Ciach bitscale! [2nd attempt]

2002-05-31 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
I've sent this already, but it was upheld for moderation due to file size. Sorry for not thinking about this earlier. I've put a patch that removes the bitmap scaling code on http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/private/no-bitmap-scale.patch I've only tested it with KDrive, but there's no

Re: [Fonts]What's language tag??

2002-05-31 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
>> I have seem many times in this mailing list, on the term 'language tag'. KP> This comes from the OS/2 tables [in TrueType and OpenType fonts]. KP> There are 64 bits in this table which were originally designed to KP> indicate which "CodePages" the font supported, The term ``language tag'' is

[Fonts]Re: fonts.scale files in SuSE

2002-05-28 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
[CC-ing the list propter majorem sapientiae condivisionem] > In SuSE Linux 7.3 I had lots of handedited fonts.scale. > files, which I merged into a fonts.scale file with > /sbin/conf.d/SuSEconfig.fonts. I absolutely needed these handedited > files because the output of ttmkfdir was too bad to gen

Re: [Fonts]Re: New version of mkfontscale

2002-05-28 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
RG> Well, all the ttf I tested are Unicode fonts but we still need specific RG> encodings to use them with most applications. The point I was making is that in practice the fuzz value will only be used for East-Asian encodings, and I'm therefore glad to set it to whatever value users of such enco

[Fonts]Re: New version of mkfontscale

2002-05-24 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
> 1. I have to set -f 3 to get KAIU.TTF and MINGLIU.TTC with big5-0 [...] > 2. The default ``fuzz'' value can find the encodings correctly for all > four arphic ttf. [...] > 3. For baekmuk ttf, it missed this font for 'ksc5601.1987-0' encoding with > default ``fuzz'' value. > hline.ttf -ibm-Ba

[Fonts]FreeType 2 backend and configuration

2002-05-24 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Dear all, As some of you may know, the new FreeType backend registers itself for Type 1 fonts. This means that it cannot be loaded together with the current Type 1 backend. Unfortunately, the FreeType backend does not yet support CIDFonts. This means that with the new FreeType backend, you will

[Fonts]Additional FreeType interfaces request

2002-05-24 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Dear David, dear Werner, dear all, In the FreeType 2 module for XFree86 and in the mkfontscale utility, I am using a number of internal interfaces. I am attaching a proposed interface for these, as well as the rather hackish implementation I'm using right now. Of course, I have no objection to

Re: [Fonts]New version of mkfontscale

2002-05-24 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
JC> precise heuristics Sorry for that. But then, I've heard people talk of ``elegant perl code''. Juliusz ___ Fonts mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/fonts

[Fonts]New version of mkfontscale

2002-05-24 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Version 20020524 of mkfontscale is available from http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/files/ Changes: - Implements ``fuzz'' value for large encodings (defaults to 1%); precise heuristics are still used for 8-bit fonts. - Implements simple heuristic for distinguishing charcell font

Re: [Fonts]New versions of mkfontscale and FreeType 2 backend

2002-05-24 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Thanks for the report and the suggestions. RG> It looks better then I added this line by hand: RG> MINGLIU.TTC -dynalab-MingLiU-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-m-0-big5-0 Yu Shao has just suggested to me the following heuristic for CJK fonts: an encoding is supported by the font if fewer than 2% of the

Re: [Fonts]HP-Roman8 Problem

2002-05-17 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
IY> HP-ROMAN8 Dear Ian, XFree86 uses the ISO 8859-1 (``Latin-1'') character set for Western-European languages, which is derived from DEC Multilingual. For historical reasons, HP uses the HP ROMAN-8 character set. While it would be easy to add ROMAN-8 support to XFree86, XFree86 does not curren

[Fonts]FreeType 2, CID, and configuration

2002-05-16 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Dear all, As I'm getting ready to include the new FreeType backend in XFree86, I have a configuration problem. The old FreeType backend (currently in CVS) only registers for TTF fonts. The new FreeType backend registers for TTF, OTF and PFA/PFB fonts. This makes it incompatible with the Type 1

[Fonts]Removing bitmap scaling code

2002-05-16 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Shall I remove the bitmap scaling code outright, or merely make it optional (defaulting to no)? I'm tempted to remove the code althegither, fontscale pollutes quite a bit of the fontfile code and is not something we want to maintain forever. Are there any objections?

Re: [Fonts]Scaled bitmap fonts

2002-05-09 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
KP> Let's just rip the bitmap scaler out once and for all. If we do that (and I have no objection), we should encourage all distributions to provide scalable fonts for the Adobe base-14. The necessary font files are available with Ghostscript 6, and are already included in most distributions. D

Re: [Fonts]New versions of mkfontscale and FreeType 2 backend

2002-04-26 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
JC> With type1 fonts, the UNDERLINE_POSITION is O(PIXEL_SIZE/10). I JC> presume the sign is then the problem. Thanks a lot for the debugging -- fix in next version. Juliusz ___ Fonts mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [Fonts]New versions of mkfontscale and FreeType 2 backend

2002-04-26 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
CC'd to Freetype. Rui-Xiang Guo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: RG> - "jisx0212.1190-0", "big5.eten-0", "gb2312.1980-0", RG> + "jisx0212.1990-0", "big5-0", "gb2312.1980-0", Okay, in next version. Thanks. RG> (I tested it with Arphic TTF which be distributed with most Linux RG> distributions an

Re: [Fonts]New versions of mkfontscale and FreeType 2 backend

2002-04-19 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Keith Packard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: KP> Are you now using the regular .so for your server-side module? That's the plan ultimately (I wouldn't dare disobey Keith), but it's still premature for two reasons. I'm currently using two internal interfaces, which I don't wish to export to server modules

Re: [Fonts]New versions of mkfontscale and FreeType 2 backend

2002-04-19 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
JC> I jus realized that there is a significant difference with the new JC> ft2 backend. I've lost underlining in mozilla. Please check the values of the UNDERLINE_POSITION and UNDERLINE_WIDTH properties (xlsfonts -ll -fn 'foo'). Juliusz

[Fonts]Minor FreeType 2 core fonts update

2002-04-18 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Corrected `xfree86-freetype2.patch'' following Ishikawa-san's report. Mkfontscale: corrected typo and added support for discriminating between italic and oblique fonts. As usual, http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/files/ Juliusz

Re: [Fonts]New versions of mkfontscale and FreeType 2 backend

2002-04-18 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
JC> The average width error is still there for type1 fonts, but AFAICT JC> it affects very few programs that one usually doesn't notice. According to David Turner, this may be a bug in FreeType 2.0.9 that was fixed in 2.1.0. I haven't had time to test his guess yet. (Keith, what about importing

Re: [Fonts]New versions of mkfontscale and FreeType 2 backend

2002-04-18 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
JC> I'm running the new ft2 backend now for all scalled fonts. JC> Most everything looks good so far. Great to know. JC> Perhaps generalizing -adobe-fontspecific into -*-fontspecific JC> would be reasonable? Fine. Although mkfontscale will still only generate `adobe-fontspecific'. JC> I'm als

Re: [Fonts]New versions of mkfontscale and FreeType 2 backend

2002-04-18 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
IM> I saw the ``xfree86-freetype2.patch'', and I found it does not IM> contain ftstdlib.h related chank. It is still needed. Thanks for the report. I forgot ``-N''. I'll generate a new patch ASAP. Juliusz ___

Re: [Fonts]New versions of mkfontscale and FreeType 2 backend

2002-04-18 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
YS> Red Hat will use a updated ttmkfdir in the next release, we YS> updated the ttmkfdir to FreeType2 and also added some other CJK YS> releated features(like TTCap), and it uses system encodings.dir as YS> default to recognize font encodings. Mkfontscale does all of that except for TTCap (which

[Fonts]Re: [Freetype] face->max_advance_width and the FreeType backend for XFree86

2002-04-18 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
DT> I think it was a bug in the Type 1 driver that was fixed in 2.1.0 DT> Could you tell me if it still persists ?? It's more reasonable, but still not quite consistent between Type 1 and TrueType. This may very well be the correct behaviour, though, as the TrueType versions have much larger gly

[Fonts]New versions of mkfontscale and FreeType 2 backend

2002-04-17 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
New versions of both mkfontscale and the FreeType 2 backend are available from http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/files/ Note that you will need to apply the ``xfree86-freetype2.patch'' even if you've done before, as this version contains a little more stuff. I gratefully acknowledge the

[Fonts]face->max_advance_width and the FreeType backend for XFree86

2002-04-17 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Dear all, Unlike the Type 1 backend, the FreeType backend doesn't provide clients with an accurate average width. What it does is to provide accurate average width for monospaced fonts (obviously), and just give half the maximum advance width for proportional fonts. While this heuristic works r

Re: [Fonts]New version of FreeType 2 backend

2002-04-15 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
JC> Of the fonts I have licensed, Lucida Bright Oblique is the only one I JC> can think of with a non [0.001 0 0 0.001 0 0] matrix, which obliques JC> by just changing the matrix. A large number of oblique (as opposed to italic) fonts use this trick; for example, the Type 1 versions of the Lucidu

Re: [Fonts]Using CID-Keyed font with PS in a printer

2002-04-15 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
TW> Say I wish to use a CIDfont, Ryumin-Light, with UniJIS-UTF8-H TW> CMap, what should I do? Read the docs? For example, chapter 7 of the PLRM and Adobe technote 5014. You will find both somewhere under http://partners.adobe.com/asn/developer/technotes/main.html

Re: [Fonts]New version of FreeType 2 backend

2002-04-13 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
IM> I found a typo in ftfuncs.c. This cause segv and to crash IM> X server. Thanks a lot. I'll make this fix available with the source, and integrate it in the next version. JC> It complains that it could not find encoding ascii-0 That's a ttmkfdir weirdness. The FreeType 1 backend did behave

Re: [Fonts]New version of FreeType 2 backend

2002-04-10 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
JC> Unfortunately, this is a no-go. Although xlsfonts(1x) works JC> perfectly, any attempt to actually render a scalable font via the new JC> backend dies with a segfault. Curious... I don't think there are any binary incompatibilities visible to drivers between 4.2.0 and current HEAD. Please

[Fonts]New version of FreeType 2 backend

2002-04-06 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
You will find a new version of the FreeType 2 backend on http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/files/ New features: - generates the same set of properties as the FreeType 1 version; - support for the X11R6 XLFD extensions. Still to do: - support for non-AGL Type 1 fonts (typically s

Re: [Fonts]Re: [Freetype] FreeType 2 changes required for XFree86

2002-04-05 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Hi Antoine! So nice to hear from you. BS> Defining common names like ''read'' always leads to problems BS> when using multiple packages. BS> Why doesn't XFree86 follow common C protocol and use uppercase? >> The goal being to use common source code both in the X server (when >> using the wrapp

[Fonts]Re: [Freetype] FreeType 2 changes required for XFree86

2002-04-04 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
My wrong. Sorry for that. WL> is in the middle of the ftsystem.c instead of the beginning. For some reason, I was convinced that malloc needs to be defined (by the #include), then undefined, then defined again. I'm glad it's not needed. Juliusz ___

Re: [Fonts]Re: [Freetype] FreeType 2 changes required for XFree86

2002-04-04 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
BS> Defining common names like ''read'' always leads to problems BS> when using multiple packages. BS> Why doesn't XFree86 follow common C protocol and use uppercase? BS> Better yet, why not use a name like XF86_READ to avoid conflicts BS> on such common names? The goal being to use common

Re: [Freetype] Re: [Fonts]FreeType 2 backend for XFree86

2002-04-04 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
KP> I believe freetype should be treated as a system library, much as KP> libc is today. This could include building a thunk layer like the KP> current xf86_ansic.h to ensure portability. You're absolutely right, as usual. Juliusz

[Fonts]Scalable fonts installation utility for XFree86

2002-04-04 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Hello, Continuing the effort to get rid of obsolete font rendering libraries, I've written a font configuration utility for XFree86 based on FreeType 2. It is similar to Joerg Pommnitz's ``ttmkfdir'', but uses fontenc for encodings (thus guaranteeing consistency with the encodings known to the X

[Fonts]FreeType 2 changes required for XFree86

2002-04-03 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Dear David, dear all, I'm currently working on a FreeType 2 backend for XFree86. My goal was to use pristine FreeType sources and only have a private set of config files; unfortunately, that has proven impossible for two reasons. I would like to suggest that a number of minor changes to FreeTyp

[Fonts]FreeType 2 backend for XFree86

2002-04-03 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Dear all, An early BETA of a TrueType and Type 1 backend for XFree86 4.2.0 and later is available from http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/files/ in the files xfree86-freetype2-03042002.tar.gz xfree86-freetype2.patch (Yes, you need both.) This is a beta version, and is not ready fo

Re: [Fonts]type1 fonts and AA

2002-03-27 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
H> Can anyone explain why some fonts are available in both AA and H> non-AA, some are only available in AA, and some only in non-AA. Discrepancies between fonts.scale and the set of fonts. Juliusz ___ Fonts mail

Re: [Fonts]TrueType Embedded bitmap?

2002-03-27 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
YS> Does any XFree's rasterizer, either freetype or xtt support TrueType YS> Embedded Bitmap? freetype -- no. xtt -- yes. Juliusz ___ Fonts mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/font

Re: [Fonts]More problems with CIDfonts

2002-03-25 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
>> It may very well be a resource exhaustion. The Type 1/CIDFont >> renderer uses a fair number of fixed size tables. You could try >> tweaking the defines for the VM sizes. JAC> Great! Where do I look? lib/font/Type1/util.h. VM_SIZE would be my first guess.

Re: [Fonts]Special Characters

2002-03-25 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
JAC> I didn't have sufficient context to understand, but that's what I JAC> meant to mean. I haven't studied XFree86's font guts closely... I'm JAC> more on the user end of things. JAC> Can the FreeType T1 backend handle more than 256 codepoints in a Type JAC> 1 font? We do not currently have

Re: [Fonts]Special Characters

2002-03-24 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
MK> An X11 client does not see a Type1 font directly. It just sees an X11 MK> font, and that can be up to 2^16 glyphs large. XFree86 can recode a MK> Type1 font in any encoding into an X11 font in many encodings, including MK> CP1252 and ISO10646-1. Yes, except that the current code limits X11 fo

Re: [Fonts]encodings.dir files obsolete?

2002-03-22 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Mike, Pablo, My apologies for not replying earlier -- I'm catching up on my mail. Mike's assumption is correct -- it should now be possible to remove all encodings files except for the one in fonts/encodings. The new mechanism is as follows: first, the font's directory is searched for encodings

Re: [Fonts]More problems with CIDfonts

2002-03-22 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
JAC> The first problem I encounter is that mkcfm doesn't seem to recognize JAC> the Hiragino fonts. None of them. It creates CFMs for the Wadalab JAC> fonts, but none for the Hiragino fonts. I have no idea why. I JAC> haven't tried stepping it through GDB but I could. It may very well be a re

Re: [Fonts]freetype module

2002-03-20 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
JC> Has anyone done any work towards porting the freetype (server-side) JC> font module from ft1 to ft2? I've played with it, and then Real Work caught up with me. JC> I was thinking about taking a crack at it if no one else is. Go for it. Feel free to get in touch with me if you need any help

[Fonts]Re: Type 1 and 0x27 [was: Hebrew...]

2002-03-20 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
MK> I am being told that the next SI will be fully XFree86 compatible in MK> that respect. By whom? MK> Please follow Adobe's character name <-> Unicode mapping strictly. MK> Please do not add any backwards compatibility hacks for curly 0x27 that MK> will cause incompatibility with the corrected

Re: [Fonts]Re: Hebrew Type1 Fonts (fwd)

2002-03-19 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
>> The glyph names used by the Type 1 backend are defined by an Adobe >> standard, with a few changes for compatibility with X11R5 (e.g. U+0027 >> maps to a closing quotation mark rather than a vertical apostrophe, MK> Unfortunately ... :-( Do we want to change this? This change would make XFre

Re: [Fonts]Standard Type Service Framework (STSF): Public Review

2002-03-06 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
JC> The result is that PK's compression is subliniear on this face at mag JC> factors less than 14 and superlinear above mag factor 14. PK does run-length encoding, right? Then it should be linear as the point-size goes towards infinity (i.e. after the effects of MF's optical scaling are no long

Re: [Fonts]More on CID-keyed JP fonts

2002-03-05 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
EvdP> What is the "(now obsolete) Unicode mapping of JIS to UCS"? Are you EvdP> talking about unicode.org's JIS X 0208->Unicode mapping? Yep. IIRC, it's been obsoleted, deprecated, or whatever. Juliusz ___ Fonts

Re: [Fonts]More on CID-keyed JP fonts

2002-03-05 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
James, Eric, As you will have noticed, the CIDFonts stuff is badly in need of more detailed documentation. When you puzzle out how to make XFree86 usable with CIDFonts, I'll be very grateful if you can produce a summary suitable for inclusion in the fonts docs. I may be wrong, but I believe tha

Re: [Fonts]Outlines to borrow

2002-03-01 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
>> In addition, you may want to check the GhostScript fonts from URW++ >> (in version 6.0 or later) which come under the GPL -- which will make >> your font impossible (or unlikely?) to be included in XFree86. PS> Why? Roughly two years ago, Markus, I, Peter Deutsch, some people from URW++ (sorr

Re: [Fonts]Installation of Adobe's free Asian CID fonts

2002-03-01 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
JC> It's not that I have a problem understanding the instructions, JC> since they're pretty easy to follow. That's good to hear -- I haven't received feedback about this section yet. JC> The problem I have is whether I really have to create entries for all JC> 50 Adobe-Japan1 CMaps for all four

Re: [Fonts]Outlines to borrow

2002-02-28 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
RP> I and my team are developing a set of Persian OpenType fonts, to RP> contribute to XFree86 (and other projects). Can someone tell me that from RP> which fonts may I steal (read borrow) the glyph outlines for ASCII RP> characters and other punctuations (open double quotes, etc)? The Bitstream

Re: [Fonts]Standard Type Service Framework (STSF): Public Review

2002-02-27 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
I'm not quite clear about the client/server split. Am I correct in my understanding that when using Xst, the STSF library is on the server side? And that only the X server ever speaks to the ST server? Thanks, Juliusz Chrob

Re: [Fonts]Fontconfig vs CSS2

2002-02-20 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
KP> Are there compelling reasons *not* to use the CSS2 matching algorithm? Raph Levien once spoke some strong words about CSS 2. Raph, any chance you could enlighten us? [Background: this is the XFree86 font list, and Keith Packard is sort-of-seriously thinking about unifying the font configura

Re: [Fonts]default encoding for postscript fonts

2002-02-20 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
PS> When a TTF font is requested trough an unknown encoding (eg: PS> *-iso8859-0 ) the default seems to be the same as PS> microsoft-win3.1, No, the default is ``iso8859-1''. PS> Now, for postscript fonts, wouldn't it be better to have the default PS> as being the same as -adobe-fontspecific ins

Re: [Fonts]Re: Hebrew Type1 Fonts (fwd)

2002-02-08 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
PS> However, it seems that for Type1 fonts the encoding is handled PS> internally; no matter what I put in the enc file the result is PS> this the same [...] or I need to restart X or something?) Remember that font encodings are indexed by name and cached in the server. You do need to restart th

Re: [Fonts]Re: Hebrew Type1 Fonts (fwd)

2002-02-08 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Dear Eli, I am sorry I have missed the beginning of this discussion; I hope I'm not repeating things that have already been said. I am the person who implemented on-the-fly font recoding in XFree86 4.0, which is what you are complaining about. Please read the ``README.fonts'' document for a rat

Re: [Fonts]Proposal for XML-based font configuration

2002-01-21 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Keith Packard: KP> I have an opportunity to redefine the configuration language [...] KP> I've decided to give XML a try and see how it looks; [...] Keith, please, don't. The former configuration language was human-readable and human- writeable. This is not the case of your new XML thingie.

[Fonts]Re: mkfontdir removes encodings.dir

2002-01-21 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
[CC'd to the fonts list, in case somebody wants to comment.] Hi David, DD> I just noticed that mkfontdir will remove an existing encodings.dir file DD> even when it's not going to write out a new one. I'm sorry, my development machine (the one that doesn't belong to my employer) is currently de

Re: [Fonts]What format should contributed fonts use? (was: Re: Help with fixed fonts)

2001-12-11 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
OT> having a commonly agreed upon glyph set is [a pain] [problem description] OT> a way of representing the character to glyph mapping in a flexible OT> way starts seeming pretty attractive. Owen, we fully agree. I just thought your formulation was overly categorical -- there are many situatio

Re: [Fonts]What format should contributed fonts use? (was: Re: Help with fixed fonts)

2001-12-10 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
OT> For Type1 outlines, I'd say that OpenType is the best format long OT> term. I don't think we handle it all that well yet, but for OT> "interesting" scripts PFA/AFM really isn't an option. I don't quite agree. Plain Type 1 fonts (PFAs) can obey any *glyph* encoding, and are not restricted to

Re: [Fonts]Re: What format should contributed fonts use?

2001-12-10 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
SRH> Since I am interested in outline Bengali fonts, I take it that I SRH> should go with TT for now, moving to OT as support improves. Shaheed, There are two questions to consider: (i) is your encoding no larger than 256 glyphs? (ii) are all the glyphs you wish to include in Unicode? If

Re: [Fonts]Help with fixed fonts

2001-12-04 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Keith Packard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Can you provide me with some code to produce a list of pairs of >> (XLFD, filename) out of an Xft config file? KP> Hmm. I can give you everything except average width; for that field, I'd KP> have to rasterize the appropriate subset of the font and compute

Re: [Fonts]Help with fixed fonts

2001-12-01 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
PS> Yes, everything can be done from $HOME/.Xsession or $HOME/.profile PS> however that is complex and fragile. PS> But if I think that XF86Config file is complex, then $HOME/.Xsession or PS> $HOME/.profile are much worst! (well, usually they are quite small, PS> but there is virtually no limit to

Re: [Fonts]Help with fixed fonts

2001-12-01 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
>> How does Pablo's suggestion sound to you? Would it be useful? KP> In principle, it sounds fine. Instead of creating a new configuration KP> mechanism, we should simply use the one underlying Xft. That would have KP> the benefit of also supporting the new font name syntax (as well as XLFD).

Re: [Fonts]Help with fixed fonts

2001-11-30 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
>> That's interesting. Why is it different from doing xset fp ... from >> your Xsession file? KP> Because 'xset fp default' would not have the same behaviour? I see. How does Pablo's suggestion sound to you? Would it be useful? Off the top of my head, unless there are problems with fontlib's

Re: [Fonts]Help with fixed fonts

2001-11-30 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
>> (iii) workaround for the server hang during rasterisation of large fonts. PS> (v) (maybe obsolete now) if the server is not multithreaded, it was better PS> to use a font server, as rasterization of a large font didn't freeze PS> the whole X, but only the program requesting that font,

Re: [Fonts]Re: [Xpert]X cvs has a problem with the fixed font?

2001-11-30 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Dr Andrew C Aitchison writes: AA> I thought (hoped?) that the scalable font renderers could cope with AA> unusual dot pitches. The scalable renderers will indeed handle reasonable font pitches fine. The only issue I can see is the one of delta hints in TrueType fonts. Delta hints apply to one

Re: [Fonts]Help with fixed fonts

2001-11-29 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Sorry if my formulation was overly provocative. I've seen you take a more relaxed attitude in the past, and I was hoping it would be okay with you. But it's November, and we're all losing our sense of humour somewhat. I'll stick to the dry facts, then. MH> There are both circumstances where us

[Fonts]Luxi fonts update (please test)

2001-11-26 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Patch 5064 (Luxi Fonts, Jogailla release) is in the archive for your testing pleasure. Juliusz ___ Fonts mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/fonts

Re: [Fonts]Fonts problems (xfstt)

2001-11-26 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
DV> I am installing xfstt (TrueType Fonts Server for X) Dear Daniel, Xfstt (no relation to xfsft) is completely independent of XFree86. We are unable to help you with it; a posting to a relevant Usenet newsgroup may be more useful. Please note that XFree86 4.0 and later have native support for

Re: [Fonts]Help with fixed fonts

2001-11-26 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Mike, MH> Start up xfs, and it should be fine. Yours is a RedHat-specific reply. Debian do things more reasonably, and don't require a font server by default. MH> I see people with this common problem a lot. In Red Hat Linux, Your predecessors at RedHat have chosen to unconditionally rely on

Re: [Fonts]Re: How to submit glyph sets for XFree86?

2001-11-15 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
S> pfaedit has an auto-hinting capability supporting horizontal, vertical and S> diagonal hints - if that is enough, we are there already. I'm not sure how good their autohinting is. I think that the best solution would be to start with the generated hints, and then retouch them by hand where n

Re: [Fonts]How to submit glyph sets for XFree86?

2001-11-14 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
S> I have almost completed the Bengali code-point glyphs I mentioned S> as while ago. Cool. I suggest we have a look after 4.2.0 is out (it's frozen right now). S> 1. What license do you prefer? GPL? X? We will not accept anything under the GPL. (Not my choice, that's what the Core Team has

Re: Re[2]: [Fonts]Heads up: B&H Luxi (formerly Lucidux) fonts

2001-11-04 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
JC> Their repertoire is limited to the Latin script. NB> What Latin? Only ISO-8859-1 or something else also? ISO 8859-1, -2, -3, -4, -9, -10, -15, Adobe Standard and the Windows 3.1 character set. So Lithuanian is fine. Juliusz

Re: [Fonts]Heads up: B&H Luxi (formerly Lucidux) fonts

2001-11-02 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
> A question from non-XFree86 member: do these new > versions include cyrillic (and, maybe, greek) glyphs, or is > the repertoire still limited to latin? Their repertoire is limited to the Latin script. Charles Bigelow, who has kindly donated these fonts, is a typographer who specialis

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